The Bruce Lee Real Fight Channel Needs to Stop! | The KFG Podcast

[@TheKungFuGenius]

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[@TheFiestyhick]

You should be pleased to know that, these days, Beerdy only gets an average of like 395 views per video. His videos are now tanking and I am quite sure, your videos contributed to that, somewhat. People are now wise to his utter BS Hope it's pleasing for you💥

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Thank you! It wasn’t just me, a bunch of us like Goldenbell outed him.

[@ecw787]

Beerdy is a grifter. He originally used to make gaming videos. He once randomly decided to uploaded a Bruce Lee video and gained a lot of views, since then he decided to make those fake clickbait Bruce Lee videos. He makes a ton of mistakes in his videos and he really isn't a true admirer of Bruce Lee, he saw a quick opportunity to make money and he took it. Bruce Lee Real Fight however is more authentic , I believe he truly admires Bruce Lee but he recycles content an awful lot. KFG is the best place for Bruce Lee content.

[@tsunamistrike1225]

I think the part about Lee Ka Ting is real, as he explained in the interview where he was hanging out with Bruce & Little Unicorn. Bruce overheard the 2 dudes talking bad stuff about him. This anger him, and he lifted these 2 dudes (140lb) in a bicep-curl position to teach them a lesson. There was no fight at all. Only beerdy spreading bs and leave out some of the information. The interview can be found on YT but it is in Cantonese only

[@keithhall970]

For me the best description of Bruce's ability's as a fighter came from James DeMile, thats good enough for me, and what Jacky Chang said also, so you can not doubt Bruce's skills as a fighter, they knew him and worked and trained with him.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Yes, the people who knew Bruce had similar opinions.

[@ThomasHenderson-c8e]

It's called "The On Guard Position " s I learned that from Bruce Lee's Fighting Method. Bruce never gave the name Jeet Kune Do, however, All TRUE JKD practitioners knows that economical stance! It's a hybrid position from Wing Chun & American Boxing origins. The relaxed subtleties of Wing Chun mixed the swift footwork of Boxing. I remember them welll training with my teacher.

[@nmr20067]

So I think what you guys are saying is, no you’re not Bruce Lee haters at all. Some people are. But you just want the misinformation in the whole mythological mythology about him to STOP. I think that’s fair…

[@StephaneBergeron-ue7qd]

Beerdy lets people think whatever HE wants…Good night guys👍😎💙🇺🇦

[@dc0n6]

I was just going to say, "Yes, of course "Bruce Lee real Fight Channel" makes stuff up and end it at that, and then move on. Then I heard your Beerdy impression, and I just dropped to the floor laughing.

[@raywongchi]

I think I remember that Dillman said something about lifting the big toe to neutralize a bullshido notouch attack also.

[@StephaneBergeron-ue7qd]

He is really good with the LOOP. He has mastered it👍😎💙🇺🇦

[@brianderiemacker5234]

Maybe it's like with the rockband ZZ Top. Of the three musicians 2 had beards. But the drummer who didn't his name was.....Frank Beard. So maybe "Beerdy" has in fact no facial hair whatsoever and is completely Bald. And to top things off,is a cousin to Arnold Schwarzenegger with his Austrian sounding accent. Hey guys how are they hanging should be his opening line.....

[@calstrawn]

I’m just here for the Nas/Ether reference lol 🙌🏽

[@TheKungFuGenius]

You’re the first to notice it … ever!

[@GregProbert1971]

I got my own dedicated Bruce Lee channel on here but i just gave up on it as I couldn't compete with the B.S channels like Beerdy etc.

[@keithhall970]

Joe Lewis , world heavy weight champion, answered that question of whether Bruce could stand up against a heavy weight fighter saying Quote, Bruce was the fastest person to ever stand in front of me. I know how good his JKD was , because I got popped by him a few times. When demonstrating the mechanics behind Bruce's hand speed he said , being punched by Bruce was like being hit by a bullet. Maybe that verifies that story told by one of Bruce's students who said Bruce grabbed the gloves one day after Joe got heavy handed in a sparring match with one of Bruce's students and took to Joe in anger saying ,I will show Joe he is not the unbeatable fighter he thinks he is and gave him a lesson.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Yes, we discussed the story with John Little on the episode about his new book.

[@tonytroy1826]

9:00: "He was an actor before he was a martial artist" Really? I understood that he started training Wing Chun in his teens, and that he also learnt some Tai Chi from his father. He certainly wasn't a professional actor then.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Yes, he was actually a child actor working in many local Cantonese films and Hong Kong years before he would begin training. This is not controversial this is well-known.

[@tonytroy1826]

@@TheKungFuGenius OK, but if you say the word "actor", most people think of adult professionals, not kids. So it seems a bit unfair to pick the guy up on that one. Great podcast BTW!

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Thank you. He did around 20 films as a child before moving to the states. At least 18 of them were before he most likely began Wing Chun. I think that qualifies him as an actor. Also, as I said before, saying that Bruce Lee was a childhood actor (or just actor) before he was known as a martial artist is extremely uncontroversial. Also Bruce learning some Tai Chi from his dad hardly qualified him as a martial artist then. My dad let me hold the steering wheel on his lap while he drove down the driveway when I was a kid. That didn’t qualify me as a car driver, however.

[@MikeS24-v4s]

Yuen Wah was no joke in "To kill a Mastermind" It's a Shaw Brothers movie.

[@indyphillipconner6252]

A student of Lee's

[@indyphillipconner6252]

This comment

[@MikeS24-v4s]

@@indyphillipconner6252 What about my comment?

[@MrDravenLee]

I remember seeing a documentary with Dillman and he said Bruce Lee was killed because someone pushed a pin in to his brain... He then went on to say Linda believes it too 😂😂

[@JKDVIPER]

Facts. 🤙🏻💯”He’s a bad dream. A monolith. A terrible thought. A nightmare in a fist.” #thelegendarybrucelee 😎🤙🏻💯”But ya, that do sell that indestructible crap.” 😂🤣😬

[@StephaneBergeron-ue7qd]

It was more like a DEMONSTRATION, he makes a big video whit that, OoooHhh Beerdy, please man👍😎💙🇺🇦

[@Emeraldman]

I heard Beerdy has set up a KZbin school of b*llsh*t and this is his first graduate.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

That’s very funny! I’m sure he must be very proud of his first pupil.

[@asiacinemaretro]

Regards the Wong Jack Man fight, I have been studying Cheng Hsin, and understand this was created by Peter Ralston. Ralston is an interesting guy and puts on the cheng hsin website a lot of reference photos relating to Wong Jack Man. As I have learnt, he was a long term student of Wong, surely invalidating the notion that Wong would challenge Bruce over teaching westerners. Thanks for the video really enjoyed the analysis 🧐

[@asiacinemaretro]

Oh and pretty sure Wong Jack Man, disputed the outcome perpetuated by Bruce Lee’s students.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Yes, the only problem is that David Chin, who is in WJM’s entourage (and instigated the fight) admitted that Wong lost. When you have a guy in the other entourage, admit that they lost that’s called a statement against interest and holds a lot more weight than what Bruce Lee students said.

[@nmr20067]

@@asiacinemaretroHe did. I read it 10 years ago. He claims he could have really hurt Bruce and had him in the headlock at one point…. I not saying it is right or wrong, but Wong has a totally different story and very little want to talk and interview him about it…

[@John50-kc8dx]

Another great video. Keep them coming!

[@axelstone3131]

lol that wong jack man sure blew up into something it never was over the years hasn’t it. The amount of people who try making that fight out to be some life altering event for Bruce is bewildering when only a few years before he destroyed Yoichi Nagachi in 11 seconds. I don’t know why people don’t just educate themselves on this subject instead of being parrots and spreading misinformation all the time

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Agreed

[@Dad_Brad]

Tuning in and getting ready. Never heard of the “BL Real Fight” channel being reviewed. Tangent: I wonder if Bruce Lee was naturally mostly hairless or had to shave his body hair off for his camera appearances, similarly to a physique athlete getting ready for a contest. It seemed he non-verbally wanted to show the contrast between his smooth hairless skin vs Chuck Norris‘s white hairy Bigfoot hair in return of the Dragon. Or was that just me?

[@keithhall970]

Maybe his peers did not rate Bruce because he did not have a black belt in any marshal art but Bruce did not have an interest in attaining black belts, he trained and developed his own style to defeat any opponent of any size quickly without taking a hit himself. He had no interest in competing in the pussy points world championships that were held at that time. All the marshal artists that worked with Bruce said he was untouchable

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Thanks for your comment. At the time Bruce was around, no one seemed to have an issue with his lack of a black belt. Many decorated black belts learned from him. The Haterade came mostly post death.

[@jkdbjjwt2397]

JKD Stance - Bai Jong (On-Guard stance)😊

[@junctionstreettigers8926]

I would pay big money too see segal, Dillman, dux, beerdy in one room together

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Me too!

[@Schaller...12]

For sure

[@SpiritOfJustice]

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the ridiculous fake Bruce Lee A.I photos KG.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

There are a lot out there. Do you have a specific channel in mind?

[@SpiritOfJustice]

@@TheKungFuGenius Not a particular channel I just see them all the time on Instagram. Lol

[@CinematicTendency]

The Answers You Want left the Chat…

[@indyphillipconner6252]

Beerdy

[@KuyVonBraun]

For me the clincher of whether Bruce could fight or not is that plenty of fighters in his day, people who actually knew & trained with him, said that he was the sh*t. For me that's good enough, I don't care about arm chair warriors talking about a "fight record" or whatever else they heard on a Joe Rogan podcast.

[@stephentse481]

I have seen his videos as well as Beerdy’s videos too. I don’t believe every thing they show.

[@JKDVIPER]

Ya but, it’s totally ALL MADE UP it’s not even partially true.” 😎🧠💯

[@MarcAntomattei]

I don’t believe in anything they show. In fact, I don’t even watch them because I know what they’re saying is a lie.

[@TheFiestyhick]

Beerdy is like 85% lies. He's not worth watching, at all.

[@JKDVIPER]

@@TheFiestyhick I joke, I kid, but down deep it is disturbing. 😬Alex deserves all the views, not because we've been friendly or I hang out here, but because he's done the work. He knows the stuff, and even he admits, on a lot of that stuff we simply don't know. If anybody knows, it's Alex, William CHEUNG, Wong Shun Leung, ✨rip. And Bruce. Dan Inosanto would be another. But ya, these guys are purely lying that's the issue.

[@keithhall970]

Beardy comes up with some great stories and footage of Bruce, some of it not him. But I still find him entertaining and worth a watch. Bruce's mannerisms and stile in fighting is hard to copy, nobody then and even now could do a side kick like him. So you can always tell if you are seeing Bruce or not. For example Bruce had a habit of lifting his chin when he is moving forwards or backwards sometimes. And of coarse Bruce was a lovely ,friendly man who had no interest in beating anybody up. He also had no real interest in teaching, he just needed the money like all of us. I think Bruce is quoted as saying, if I teach you what I can do, then you will know how to beat me. So most of the real fight stuff is bullshit.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Thanks for commenting! When there is so much interesting real stuff about Bruce Lee, wasting time on Beerdy’s manufactured garbage is really a pure waste of one’s precious life. He’s not making up stories with any particular knowledge of Bruce Lee, it’s just so amateur. And I often get this comment about him that he “has all this footage“… Not quite sure why people think he’s the one with this footage, most if not all of that footage is available on KZbin and was available on KZbin before that idiot even had a channel. I owned the Long Beach International footage on VHS back in the 90s. The idea that he’s the one bringing this stuff out is the most laughable nonsense.

[@keithhall970]

@@TheKungFuGenius Karate nerd in china is a good watch on KZbin, the Incense shop boxing style of Kungfu so named remined me of Bruce and what he was doing. .I,m sure he would have studied the old styles of Kungfu

[@ecw787]

Beerdy is a grifter. He originally used to make gaming videos. He once randomly decided to uploaded a Bruce Lee video and gained a lot of views, since then he decided to make those fake clickbait Bruce Lee videos. He makes a ton of mistakes in his videos and he really isn't a true admirer of Bruce Lee, he saw a quick opportunity to make money and he took it. Bruce Lee Real Fight however is more authentic , I believe he truly admires Bruce Lee but he recycles content an awful lot. KFG is the best place for Bruce Lee content.

[@dghazd5862]

Bruce Lee must be laughing his ass off at all this bullshit about him...and probably pissed off by some truths also...the word "STAR" is an illusion. Thanks for the good humor and all the info. Keep going. 🙏🏽

[@indyphillipconner6252]

A student of Bruce Lee's correct?

[@TheKungFuGenius]

@indyphillipconner6252 not sure I follow

[@indyphillipconner6252]

@TheKungFuGenius i thought i commented under the Yuen Wah comment asking if he was a student of Bruce's

[@linuxva]

And Semo get the answer he want ..

[@alfredleung3738]

Or curl one of your big toes up to counter the effect! ha ha ha !

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Or stick your tongue to the roof of your mouth

[@karlplayford7345]

​@TheKungFuGenius 🤣🤣 I just watched the video, how embarrassing.

[@alfredleung3738]

@@karlplayford7345 makes me cringe everytime

[@karlplayford7345]

@alfredleung3738 some people are just so wrapped up in their own (and others') bullshit that they start to believe it.

[@stephentse481]

Yuen wah did a sneek attack , and Bruce Lee said “Don’t Play” to Yuen wah. That was a bit of fun and games between Yuen Wah and Bruce Lee. Not a real fight

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Yes, many things that are called a “real fight“ are sometimes just playful nonsense. Also, the problem with calling the channel the “Bruce Lee real fight channel“ is that he hast to constantly have new content, but Bruce Lee was someone who only lived to 32 so even if he had 30 real fights in his life, that would mean he can only make 30 videos.

[@stephentse481]

From the words of Yuen Wah.

[@stephentse481]

@@TheKungFuGenius the real fights that Bruce Lee would have had, would not have been recorded for documenting. For Bruce Lee, he was all about real world combat on the streets, and not for sports.

[@axelstone3131]

Is that guy Tu Tangyao or whatever his name is all fake? All fake meatball! (Thunderlips: Rocky 3) 🤔 it looks like fight choreography to me? Is he even doing wing chun? Some of it looks legit but I’m not sure about all of it. Chinese propaganda?

[@TheKungFuGenius]

I think terms like “fake” can be a bit loaded because if you watch him, he clearly has some type of martial arts skill. On the other hand, if you look at his videos, they are all highly choreographed and they are meant to look like he’s just doing this spontaneously during class (as if a teacher in China would be teaching class and his students would just randomly attack him in orderly fashion for him to show off his skills). It’s a demonstration, highly choreographed, shot and optimized for social media from someone who clearly has some martial arts skill. As someone who is kind of in the know as far as WC goes, not a single person I know has heard of him nor does anyone want to hear what that gentleman’s takes are on anything in the art. He’s just a character on social media.

[@axelstone3131]

@@TheKungFuGenius oh wow interesting, thank for the input. I can see he does have some level of skill but like you said it all looks very choreographed. Thanks for letting me know, that’s very helpful. I wondered if anyone even knew who he was but now I know.. all fake meatball! All fake lol. There’s one video with a supposed “shaolin monk” and I thought hmm.. 🤨 lol

[@ThomasHenderson-c8e]

Wow Sifu 😮?? U 2 are Side by Side?? That wouldn't be because of 😛wash or 💪Pit improvements would it 😂??

[@alfredleung3738]

I guess thats how Dillman sells himself to get more students

[@parshotamlal1749]

I think he's Beerdys brother.😅.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

I think so too!

[@axelstone3131]

Of topic but I always thought it was messed up when I watched that video of Chang Wai Man taking about how he treated Brandon later on when Brandon was in Hong Kong hitting him? And just saying now he doesn’t compare to Bruce. Dude seem likes a real pos. I’m surprised Brandon put up with it.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

No one talks back to Chan Wai Man.

[@axelstone3131]

@@TheKungFuGenius well he could have just said f this and left or not engaged with him. I remember watching that video and the way he spoke about Brandon I don’t think Bruce would have been happy to have seen that. Remember you need to call George Clooney and ask about what Brandon knew about Bruce. I know it’s been a while since you and George had a coffee 🤣

[@TheKungFuGenius]

I’m on hold with George at the moment lol

[@axelstone3131]

@@TheKungFuGenius I understand. He’s a busy guy lol ☕️

[@kotvas1]

Was that a bandage on Dre's right arm or was it some type of tape?

[@dwuonw6438]

Hey K FG I have important info about Bruce and Wong Jack Man you that you probably don't know, check this out! Linda Lee said Bruce Lee asked Wong in Cantonese, "Do you give up? 🤔 so this might mean Bruce won that fight, ah you can use this on your channel 😂😂😂😂

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Thanks, but I think I’ve mentioned that at least 50 times on various episodes - I’ve even said it in Chinese “Lei Fuk Mh Fuk Ah?!”

[@FLANKON]

Why is impressive that Bruce might have beaten Wong who is a "master" when we've seen masters getting destroyed by mma dudes. Who did Wong beat, what are his real fights?

[@TheKungFuGenius]

@FLANKON yes let’s compare the fighting standards of people in the 1960s to 2024. While we’re at it why don’t we go back in time and bring a prime Helio Gracie to have a BJJ match with Gordon Ryan.

[@FLANKON]

@@TheKungFuGenius not sure what you are talking about. Muhammad Ali, Rocky Marciano? Were they in the 60's? How would they do today?

[@TheKungFuGenius]

I'm sorry you don't understand context, maybe you should be less confident on your takes Jayden.

[@NNamesis]

When I saw Dillman's photo, I started to laughed already. While expecting what the KFG gonna say... Dillman became this No-Touch KO master. In that tv show, he tried on this skeptic guy. He placed both of his hands beside the skeptic guy's ears (without touching them). After several times, of course it didn't work. When interviewed, his excuse was, if your tongue is at so and so position, or if one of your toes is curled down, the "chi" power will not work. It was said that he only met Bruce once. And did a selfie with him. There's only one photo of Dillman with Bruce. Man! I watched so many different YT channels showing this. LMAO

[@CinematicTendency]

The King Fu Genius entered the Chat…

[@bygrace1931]

Love your show but man I do not understand where you are getting your information on archaeological verification of things in the old testament. Respectfully, you may want to go back in and take another look if you have a real interest in history.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

There is no archaeological verification of anything in the Old Testament. Ben Gurion tried that back in the day and it failed miserably.

[@bygrace1931]

@TheKungFuGenius names and places have been verified

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Thanks for commenting. However, restating your claim without citing evidence is not… evidence. I discussed Ben Gurion’s expensive Israeli led archeological expedition which found nothing, you ignored it and restated your claim without a source. If I made a claim on such weak evidence on any other topic, you wouldn’t find it compelling, but once it’s religion, it gets a pass. You said if I had a real interest in history, but you didn’t once even cite a book or text or site that I should look at. This is a topic I have read quite a bit about and study quite a bit about. The history of the Bible, both old and New Testament is one of muddle, various (often competing) authors, mistranslations, myths plagiarized from old stories, and bunch of stuff made up wholesale. Moses wrote the Pentateuch yet somehow spoke of himself in the third person, discussed how humble he himself was, and even discussed his death and what happened after it. Yeah, sure, sounds legit. I guess an all powerful deity did really focus on one spot of Bronze Age Palestine, ignoring the rest of the world and its cultures to give us yet another competing religion billions of years after the earth was formed. If you’re not indoctrinated in it there’s not one shred of evidence to believe any of it.

[@Sean_est76]

This guy's channel is seriously underrated!! all the Bruce Lee fans out there missing out on a real deal channel when it comes to Bruce, and the amount of views he gets is just criminal.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Thank you, that really means a lot!

[@DarinWaugh2x]

Fun and informative; thanks, guys!

[@ThomasHenderson-c8e]

Thank U for clearing that up ,Sifu 🙏. I kinda thought the introduction of Chinese Kung-fu was long before Bruce's teaching foreigners martial arts. Wong Jack Man was a Northern Shaolin Disciple Bruce faced because his short ,quick & economical "southern 👊" beating Northern Shaolin Representatives. That wasn't to shop Bruce from teaching. That was to humble him for embarrassing their Northern Long Range Styles. Still in some part of China 🇨🇳 their're those with Fat head arrogance believing their way is the best way

[@TheFiestyhick]

KFG information is soooooo deep that I used to feel dizzy and have diarrhea for 24 hours! KFG is profound! KFG teaches stuff in good way! KFG began banging super models when he was age of 12 He is real Deal!!

[@TheKungFuGenius]

I apologize for giving you bowel distress

[@TheFiestyhick]

@@TheKungFuGenius bro, I freaking love it every time it happened

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Thank you!

[@WholeCosmos]

I hate it when people claim Wing Chun is scientific or science based. It's based on traditional trial and error and old masters stylized art forms... some martial arts forms based on the mimicry of the movements of animals. crane and snake for example or mantis etc.... it's not science it's ART. It's literally in the name Martial ART! Sifu Wong Shun-Leung had a video titled " The Science of Infighting" which I love the video.... but there is no science to the Wing Chun styles.

[@JKDVIPER]

It’s true. Man that makes me laugh OPPONENT TAKI KAMURA 😆💦be water my friend.” (DEEEEER) 😂Thats his student, they were demonstrating.” 😆💯it’s mad crazy how many CUDD chewing automatons sign up for that crap.” 😬😞🤣

[@kaylajameson841]

Great analysis on this video.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Thank you!

[@colreef]

Oh deary me this could contain a whole lot of hot nonsense!!!

[@talentbong7446]

What if the Bearded One sayz that Master Bruisedly had travelled into an alternate timeline to fight a mysteriously "Jacku Man", therefore a Jacku Kim Do style was invented there ? And if Professor Whiskers is also secretly teaching the Secret Artz there to the Not-So-Chinese persons ? Why no Jacku Man fighting against Professor Whiskers ? Maybe Professor Whiskers is a Heavy Wait Person from another Line Edge ? The fight was slow because he didn't use the 5 Elemental Dragon Canon and blast Jacku Man with a Dragon Beam. Then again, you will know what you want to know.

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Haha

[@axelstone3131]

Lmao bearded one and professor whiskers

[@zivoradmarinkovic-cz1kg]

The way he talks, is the Same Like Beerdy. Maybelline it is Beerdy, second Chanel. With asian Ai 😂

[@josephperkins4857]

Can someone point me to the king fu genius,I hear they are pertty good 😁😁

[@TheKungFuGenius]

All Hail The King Fu Genius!

[@tonytaclay9390]

Yeah those are the Bruce Lee stations. Get more play than you guys do so what. At least you guys are telling the truth. Plus it seems like you guys are actually jealous. Is taking up too much are real estate in your brain you should just leave it alone and tell the stories that you know

[@TheKungFuGenius]

It’s true, we are super jealous as you can tell from the four seasons of getting to know what we’re about. I wish we were bigger on KZbin so we would get more random people giving us life advice.

[@ThomasHenderson-c8e]

My God, Sifu 🫤 Beerdy is so irritating, annoying I WANT to address him about his TOTAL LACK of Martial Arts & Physical Exercising..He Has LESS THAN ZILCH in ANY KNOWLEDGE of BOTH Subjects!!! I'm afraid 😨 of catching his channel on my 📱 📲 I can't endure such ignorance

[@dajoker8998]

That’s howcast wing chun guy

[@TheKungFuGenius]

Thanks! I wasn’t sure who that guy was.