The Burka Is A Monstrosity - Douglas Murray, Maajid Nawaz & Brett Weinstein

Full discussion here: • The Religion of Immigr...
#burka #burkadesign #maajidnawaz #bretweinstein #pangburn #islam #islamaphobia #muslim #muslims #women #womenempowerment #exmuslim #exmuslimlive #exmuslimsameer #douglasmurray
Welcome to the Pangburn Universe, governed by the laws of good faith & helpfulness.

[@Pangburn]

Full discussion here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKuslJivaZ6peK8si=cLQviWfPBUOBCutY

[@Ibn_Abdulaziz]

Allah سبحانه وتعالى said, زُيِّنَ لِلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا الْحَيَاةُ الدُّنْيَا وَيَسْخَرُونَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا ۘ وَالَّذِينَ اتَّقَوْا فَوْقَهُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ يَرْزُقُ مَن يَشَاءُ بِغَيْرِ حِسَابٍ Beautified is the life of this world for those who disbelieve, and they mock at those who believe. But those who have Taqwa will be above them on the Day of Resurrection. And Allah provides to whom He wills without limit. [Al-Baqarah 2:212] يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا بِطَانَةً مِّن دُونِكُمْ لَا يَأْلُونَكُمْ خَبَالًا وَدُّوا مَا عَنِتُّمْ قَدْ بَدَتِ الْبَغْضَاءُ مِنْ أَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَمَا تُخْفِي صُدُورُهُمْ أَكْبَرُ ۚ قَدْ بَيَّنَّا لَكُمُ الْآيَاتِ ۖ إِن كُنتُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends) those outside your religion since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made the Ayat (Signs) manifest clear to you if you understand. [Ãal-'Imraan 3:118] وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَكْبَرُ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ ۗ وَلَا يَزَالُونَ يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ حَتَّىٰ يَرُدُّوكُمْ عَن دِينِكُمْ إِنِ اسْتَطَاعُوا ۚ وَمَن يَرْتَدِدْ مِنكُمْ عَن دِينِهِ فَيَمُتْ وَهُوَ كَافِرٌ فَأُولَـٰئِكَ حَبِطَتْ أَعْمَالُهُمْ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ ۖ وَأُولَـٰئِكَ أَصْحَابُ النَّارِ ۖ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion (Islamic Monotheism) if they can. And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever. [Al-Baqarah 2:217]

[@Ibn_Abdulaziz]

Atheist jews believe Hitler will become stardust particles with his victims. Who had the truth between you once your atheist morality turns you all equal in non-existence? How would turning you into ashes ever become wrong, who decides it?

[@Ibn_Abdulaziz1405]

This is why Islam executes apostates. If you leave then, creatures like that one with the phone would appear working for the ✡ and 🏳️‍🌈🇺🇸🇮🇱🇬🇧

[@tommas2674]

not letting men tell us they are not to be held responsible as human beings in middle eastern cultures...and spread to the west. misogynist.

[@tommas2674]

my Dad, liked his wife and daughters to look as beautiful and have as much as they could AND not to oogle.

[@italianstallion6958]

muslims r not happy in gaza,egypt,libya,morocco,iran,iraq,yemen,afghanistan,pakistan,syria,lebanon, So, where r they happy? They r happy in Aus,Eng,Fra,Germany,Italy,sweden,USA,Canada &Norway. They r happy in all non islamic countries and who do they blame?Not islam, not their leaders,not themselves.They blame the country they r happy in .And they want to change the countries they're happy in to be like the country that they came from where they were unhappy.

[@jiapark3569]

Sooooo true...As Ben Shapiro says: they all need a one-way ticket to gaza.

[@ParksRec]

So true 😂😂

[@thesavior6291]

The cursed mind can never understand the blessings given to them.

[@itamar1964]

Strangely enoungh (or not), they are also VERY happy in Israel... Go figure...

[@tkn140]

They are not happy anywhere hence the marches

[@danidejaneiro8378]

Comparisons like these are always a false equivalence because no girl in the West will be stoned to death for not wearing a bikini because in the West she has CHOICE!

[@sgordon8123]

Stoned to death no but under HUGE pressure to look like the posters everywhere! Our society doesn't stone anyone for anything at the moment thank goodness. But we are far from perfect with high levels of mental illness and drug addiction.

[@mariannestuart4398]

There are many girls and women in the West who have no CHOICE because their fathers/husbands/brothers do not allow them the privilege. They may not be stoned to death for behaviour the men don’t approve, but are you really going to try and argue that ‘honour’ killings do not ever happen here?

[@danidejaneiro8378]

@@mariannestuart4398 - but these opinions and behaviours are not sanctioned by law or culture or religion, derp. Honour killings are punished in the West, they are the LAW in Muslim countries. See the difference derp

[@tiesiai_per_aplinkui]

​@@danidejaneiro8378exactly, if you kill you go to jail, doesn't matter if she disrespected you, your family, what ever, you will be put to jail, that doesn't seem to get through their heads.. This is why muslims shouldn't be in the west, the cultures are just too different.

[@aranisles8292]

That's a cop out. Yes, she has a 'choice', but a choice is not a value, it is a negative, an empty bowl. The question is what is chosen. If a society offers absolutely nothing but a 'choice' that is the same as offering nothing, which leaves girls and everybody adrift and ripe for exploitation by not just advertisers, but by literally anyone, cults, traffickers, groomers, radical Islamists, anyonone. So Brett is right. Our 'choice' is no solution.

[@3shockarmy74]

Maybe Muslim men should try wearing one. It’s degrading and controlling.

[@paulcastle1718]

That's exactly why their "menfolk" make them wear it .

[@MadProfessor1962]

Western countries are on the whole tolerant, progressive and Christian. Yet we welcome people who are the opposite.

[@tarotcelebgossip]

We clearly need to stop being so tolerant

[@robinette4363]

Toleration of the intolerant

[@BarisTitanX]

You aren't tolerant at all. You pillage and invade and steal and plunder, and you support terrorist states as long as they share YOUR views. You are NOT better.

[@dany1441]

I wouldn't necessarily say we welcome them but we certainly tolerate them, which is a big mistake.

[@bibsann861]

Does the average citizen really have a choice of allowing these people into our country. If you complain you are called Islamphobic

[@rationalmuscle]

Islam is a monstrosity, so it stands to reason.

[@criticalthinker8007]

Why, what is your reason

[@cisafrulli]

​@@criticalthinker8007let's start with its prophet being a pedophile

[@bikin_rusuhbener4587]

Pure hate onheart, calm down, ask for the truth from God, Allah.

[@ph8077]

@@bikin_rusuhbener4587 No it's not hate, it's education - Islam is merely a shoddy knock-off version of the two other major religious texts...then used expediently to control women & girls in the authoritarian & abusive patriarchy.

[@Vanessa-ok3ys]

@@criticalthinker8007It promotes nothing but slavery, child rape and death. Look at any predominantly muslim country. Honor killings, your murdered for leaving islam, women murdered for showing their hair, children being married off at 9 yo to adult men, public beheadings, murdering homosexuals, teaching children to kill themselves as martyrs while murdering others, the doctrine of murdering all Jews and eventually all who refuse to convert to islam. Quite literally if satan made a religion it would look just like islam. Look at the fruits it produces- death, death and more death. Any idiot can see that.

[@user-ej9qe4me8v]

The burka should be banned in the uk ! It has no place in this country , it goes totally against our culture our ways. If you come to the uk you must respect the culture . If you were in a shop and 3 individuals walked in with burkas on how would you feel ? Total ban is needed 👍🏻🎄🥂 merry Christmas 🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄

[@user-yh4en9wy8s]

Ask the mother of Jesus, peace be in him

[@wendypeeters7656]

​@@user-yh4en9wy8swhat?? Do you see western women as a walking black parasol😂😂😂

[@zamar2158]

She didn't wear a burqa

[@Jen-eo1fh]

I was recently in a shopping center and there were 10 women in full burka dress shopping together with two men accompanying them and watching their every move. It was intimidating for other shoppers. Australia is also experiencing problems here with division in our communities and our different values.

[@CaroL-nf5rs]

The burka is a horrible thing.

[@franchk8372]

Douglas Murray so succinct and grounded as usual. There will always be tension. A burqa also is a denial of women's freedom to have access to full communication, and as said show expression in their face. I can't begin to imagine what it is like, particularly in hot countries to be suffocated daily in this way.

[@Chris-wyt]

They like it. It's not a European problem.

[@redthunder7530]

Mask mandates were exactly the same thing. They broke down our social communications and connections

[@JackHaveman52]

@@Chris-wyt Not yet. There are Muslims in England who say that, with the rate of immigration and the much higher birthrate of Muslims over the English, the flag of Islam will soon be flying over Buckingham Palace. Then it will be a European problem. Things are never a problem......until they are.

[@user-yh4en9wy8s]

Walk naked so you could communicate

[@JackHaveman52]

@@user-yh4en9wy8s Where are we walking naked? I'm 71 years old and I've YET to see a naked body walking down the streets of town. In fact, I've been to Europe, the Caribbean and central America and not one naked body walking naked there, either. Which brings the question, why do people always have to go to the extreme? If they're not completely covered, then they must be naked. Nothing in between. No compromise. No common sense. It's one extreme or it's exact opposite extreme.

[@timdougall5415]

I would never let my daughter cover up her beautiful face with a blanket.

[@Eaglespride123]

you would allow her to be half naked and be ogled by every passing man ?

[@kumaranvij]

You're not supposed to "let" her or "not let" her. You're supposed to accept the choices she makes regarding her own person, whether she is "beautiful" or not.

[@loveispatient0808]

A towel you mean!😮

[@Simon-nv5zj]

The burqa literally goes against freedom in every sense of the word. No person with 0 pressure coming from anyone would choose to wear it.

[@babiryewarda20]

Well I chose to wear , it's part of my religion which isn't compulsory since it's a matter of ikhtilaf . For covering my face is important and no one in this century can force you to . I feel liberated in my burqa

[@Hwyz447]

@@babiryewarda20 Good for you. I guess you will know what its like when someone just bursts out laughing cause of your facial expressions alone.

[@annemurphy9339]

It’s a walking prison. And it’s so unhealthy to be under heat-absorbing black cloth in the heat, plus it prevents the absorption of vitamin D from the sun. It’s literally a health hazard.

[@pistoffpussycat5778]

I'd wear the burka..if I had to go out into a sandstorm

[@brianpan6453]

How? Provide evidence.

[@andreamaclachlan980]

I remember catching a portion of a show years ago, a documentary if I remember correctly. Muslim men in their own countries were being questioned about this very topic, among other things. I remember in particular the abhorrent responses of a small group of young males. They literally blamed the women for being women and said if they weren't fully covered up they (the males) couldn't (wouldn't!!!) control themselves and would be (r_ping) them left right and centre. They used other terminology. Bottom line, they declared their complete lack of self control and morals, and that the solution was for women to be completely covered up and made abhorrent so they, the males, wouldn't 'sin'. Vile. All I could think was, where is YOUR self control, respect, care....did your mother/ parents truly raise such disgusting offspring??!!! They accept no responsibility for themselves, but blame others, especially victims. Narcissistic mindsets. Evil.

[@monikamusial1701]

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ✅️

[@NeoN-PeoN]

Yep. And then people wonder why rape is suddenly much more prevalent across Europe. They use rape as punishment for not obeying Islam.

[@JE-wf1xp]

Psychopathy

[@kristiskinner8542]

Well it also has to do with teachings from the qur'an. It says that hell is full of mostly women for tempting even "righteous" men. Says women are far less intelligent & cant pray correctly because they have a monthly cycle & cant pray (arent allowed to) while they are on it, another reason hell is full of mostly women. They dont view beating your wife as abuse or bad, because its allowed in the qur'an so its ok. Women also have no right to refuse their husband at any time because it says a wife is like a mans field to be plowed when & how he feels chooses to. Most single women in countries that practice sharia law end up in prison or worse for even reporting rape. If they dont because they know nothing will happen to the rapist & then end up pregnant by that rapist they'll still be in trouble & either end up in prison or worse because they'll have to explain how they ended up pregnant. Even if they took a female witness to report it most authorities there would still take the man at his word, not the women. O and those women would have to have their father or husbands permission to leave the house in the 1st place. Or a brother etc if their father & husband were dead or away. Young girls can be married off at any age with the "parents" permission (they say parents but anyone who knows, knows they really mean the father), then they say they can marry at any age but have to wait to have sex until they are "ready" but again they dont wait & if they are too too young for even penetration they do something called "thighing" (which is what would have been done by hamas to the young hostage girls) & Ive beyond grossed myself out but listen to some xmuslims and/or read some of the quran/hadiths & you'll know. Its the religion of gore & perversion, saw "peace" nowhere

[@skontheroad]

Whereas in Judaism, there is a similar concept of modesty. However, how one covers up is ofc, different, and the difference is that women are SMARTER than men and more able to control themselves. The woman is the "better" sex in many ways, just as we are NOT the basement of the home that two people build together (often one expects the Man to be the main part of the coupling and family). Women are THE FOUNDATION!

[@bluearchangel1554]

It's a torture device, they're forced (upon penalty of death) to wear a plastic bag in the desert. It's black polyester (that's plastic).

[@frequentlycynical642]

Woven polyester does breath. In fact, unlike cotton, moisture passes right through. Cotton absorbs it.

[@bluearchangel1554]

@@frequentlycynical642 while I certainly do appreciate your response you are either being dishonest or disingenuous to defend a barbaric practice. "Polyester is a manufactured synthetic fiber. It is a kind of *PLASTIC* and is usually derived from petroleum." I never suggested that it doesn't breath, I stated a fact that it's intended purpose is that of a torture device and they chose *BLACK PLASTIC* in the freakin' desert and not for her comfort. Also take note that the men wear white cotton robes which decimates your point, cheers.

[@lachlanscanlan5621]

@@bluearchangel1554 he made a simple point which was correct, and he did not defend burka, if you appreciated his point you would not have misrepresented it with a strawman fallacy

[@bluearchangel1554]

@@lachlanscanlan5621 "A straw man fallacy is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction" Here, just so that you don't embarrass yourself again in the future. I never said it didn't breath, I said it was PLASTIC IN THE DESERT which it is, and you're the only one who said "burka", so you are the only one trying and failing to defeat a strawman. You ignored all of my points while exposing your ground level IQ. So sad and humiliating. Cheers little one.

[@sadiarahim1040]

What about plastic u r eating consuming around u. Have ever thought about your culture it's all plastic

[@howardsend6589]

Dressing in a full body sheet is stupid. People also do it at Halloween as a ghost for a laugh. Can’t ever be defended as a sensible thing to do.

[@Abuzahid-vj3oj]

Wouldn't wanna see you without any clothes to be honest!!!! So that's a solution on its own!!!

[@ZM00716]

Dressing topless is worse

[@krupke525]

Don’t Jews fuck each other through a sheet? They like their sheets in the Middle East.

[@Chris-wyt]

Not in Europe anyway.

[@Jenniechan7788]

If there's no political corrections I'd definitely dress like them during Halloween 😂😂and put some timer inside 😂😂😂

[@annaujlaki-gyori3655]

Have you ever thought about how that affects babies and little kids, when they don't see their mother's face?

[@JustDaniel6764]

Where i live in Northern England these cloth coffin clad women are a regular sight. I always wonder about their kids, but not for too long because the women proper stink

[@teelo523]

They do see their mothers faces though. For one not all hijabs cover the entire face and two they dont wear hijabs in private

[@dellaird9160]

@@JustDaniel6764Deodorant is ‘Haram’...seriously! And yes they do stink.

[@TheGreenbutsad]

Do you think they wear burqa in thier homes?

[@speaktruth9313]

@@JustDaniel6764the women covered are growing terrorists.

[@DjNikGnashers]

This is an absolutely brilliant question to raise, and point to make. The Islamic ideology which makes women worthless compared to men is disgusting. The western way of sexualizing women for profit (and men, and children, and anything else), is also disgusting. This is something which should have been addressed decades ago, as we evolve as decent humans.

[@tieetop]

It has been solved thousand of years ago with the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman.

[@dawsie]

@@tieetopright so as a woman I have one if 2 choices be married and what is the other choice if I don’t want to be married but to just live my life in peace and quiet without the demands of a man. There is not choice in the Islamic views, you are either married to the man of your fathers choice or you live at home under the rules of your father. Both are choice forced on Islamic women, thankfully in the western world I can live as I want in peace, without a man controlling my every move. I bet that Woman sat in the beach watching her husband who had been hand picked by her father is wishing she had a boy child rather than a daughter because she knows that once the Child starts looking like a young woman her husband will be looking for a man to be her husband and forcing his daughter to dress like her mother.

[@egyptcat4301]

DjNikGnashers, There's a difference. Western women have a choice between being trashy or being modest. Islam offers no such choice.

[@verenamenzel8958]

there is nothing terrible under the sun that has not been comitted to women

[@boli4203]

But don't make the mistake of equating the two (poor) solutions to the problem. One is tremendously worse, if only because it's forced.

[@patriciadaw1210]

If I had to wear that in the Florida heat I’m sure I would absolutely spontaneous combust. As a Christian I do believe in dressing modestly but the berka is absolutely horrendous.

[@bettybella2417]

I dislike & distrust people who hide their own face behind the burka & then use their eyes to feast themsleves looking at other people. NOT FAIR. Especially when you are travelling in a train and seated on a seat facing people using the burka. NOT FAIR.

[@aishahm1316]

Ever think that the same way i dislike it, they might not like u being so exposed . Each to their own .just coz one person doesn't like something doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed. COVID time everyone was wearing masks. It's a matter of control why so angry sounds like "why can't I see Ur face coz I want to I should be allowed if I want to Ur a bad person coz u dont let me see ur face i dont care its ur face i should be allowed to see it."no attack just a diff perspective. Imagine we all went around like that I don't like loud revving cars I distrust ppl who make arrogant noises disallow them , someone else would say I don't like old ppl In cars they make me feel unsafe etc etc I try to live by if someone is not hurting or causing harm leave them be .

[@kristiskinner8542]

​@@aishahm1316you obviously either know nothing about Islam/sharia practices or you do & are either an apologist or muslim man. Possibly female & fear your husband, brother etc finding anything other than that typed out under your username

[@aishahm1316]

@@botspaidbymsm6670 it's a symbol of I submit to God Allah alone and not western , secular ideologies . Islamic Muslim male dress code is more similar to that of Jesus than western attire . Islamic female dress code is more similar to that of the blessed mother of Jesus than western attire . May you be guided to ur true purpose in life and may you be granted hidayah . I peacefully invite you to read translation of surah Maryam (chapter of Mary) In the holy Quran we love her and jesus too .

[@aishahm1316]

@@OneWorldGovernment2030-yv3zc interesting that you see submission to god and Modesty as deceitful. So COVID time the whole world was deceitful according to you ?

[@aishahm1316]

@@OneWorldGovernment2030-yv3zc they plan and Allah (god) plans, surely Allah is the best of planners. Not a single leaf falls but with his command. I'm on this earth to obey him and worship him alone, insha'Allah I will continue to pray five times a day , continue working on improving my character and ways eradicating speaking ill of others ,controlling my anger, getting rid of pride and ego , continue to abstain from all vice and sins because that Is what being a muslim is. All praise is to him for granting me contentment and endless blessings which do not increase nor diminish due to man and everything and everyone is under his control.

[@mjones4083]

It is a "chastity belt" for the face .

[@aranisles8292]

Only Douglas Murray had something really intelligent to say, as usual. He suggested there is no 'solution', there is only a constant tension. islam seeks a solution, Brett seeks a solution, but maybe that is not reality. The great Thomas Sowell once said, 'there are no solutions, only trade-offs'. That is something we need to get wise to.

[@Hexadeci]

He didn’t even speak in this clip lol

[@aranisles8292]

@@Hexadeci then you did not watch the clip, lol!

[@alexalexis7121]

​@@Hexadeciwhy do people like you who don't see vids comment even? Lmao 2:31 watch its douglas

[@wendypeeters7656]

There is no solution. Islamiet dont assimilate they want to take over so let them go to islamic countrys

[@speaktruth9313]

The invaders once said, we the country they are invading doesn’t have rules that says they can’t come in and terrorize us. I think they are all narcissistic and why so despicable.

[@bit7389]

I have often thought that pornography and religious modesty rules, particularly in Islam, particularly obvious with burkas, are basically one and the same thing. Both reduce women to sexual objects only. Both rob women of our humanity. The difference, of course, is that pornography doesn't hide behind unbearable hypocrisy.

[@Titus9508]

Oh yeah, nothing hypocritical about the porn industry....

[@bit7389]

@@Titus9508 Well, they are not exactly hiding what's on their filthy minds, are they? Btw equating the Taliban to the porn industry wasn't exactly meant as a compliment for either of them. Rather it was meant to show how seemingly opposite ends of the spectrum are sometimes surprisingly similar in essence.

[@nuria.l-l-9827]

Also, in the west you have the option to not use porn and live your life in a midle ground. In islam you are forced to wear that aweful burka.

[@tarotcelebgossip]

Actually both claim to “liberate women” both do the opposite. Women if left to themselves and not interfered with choose a level of modesty that is normal.

[@Brc-kg1mg]

@@tarotcelebgossip Wouldnt that go against the christian doctrine? Humans are born in sin, so most women if left to themselves would not choose a level of modesty that is normal. This is the same argument about the ten commandments. Without christianity bringing in the ten commandments humans would murder steal etc.

[@jackthomson5618]

Yet they are allowed to walk into banks . Everyone else is not allowed a face cover over there face .Governments fault

[@zoomby4380]

The smile. To smile is such a beautiful expression. To see the laughter and smiles...its the effect of the sun, without "The Sun" Sad that these women have to hide their smiles ..😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@waltmcv]

when they are controlled by neanderthals still living in the 7th century, this is the result.

[@TMGold60]

smiles, hearts and minds

[@CaroL-nf5rs]

If they can smile in that culture

[@aishahm1316]

We don't wear it in homes. How did y'all smile with masks during COVID. I know i smile with my eyes and get smiled back at even by non Muslim women . 😊

[@waltmcv]

@@aishahm1316 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ah bless, of course you do hinny

[@Canenugama]

A few days ago I went to a park to run. Saw a bunch of Muslim women covered in black. Saddest thing I have ever witnessed 😢

[@spoonky85]

It's their choice. Let them be miserable.

[@cosmo588]

@@spoonky85still sad to see tho. Bet it gets hot in them motherfuckers as well

[@aishahm1316]

Why are u sad if they happy ? What makes u sad about it please elaborate? Just a thought maybe they were sad to see a white guy running alone ? Let's widen our lens just coz we think something is sad doesn't make it a fact.

[@007daty]

Soon you won't be allowed to run there because you're OPPRESSING their "modesty" with such a "white supremacist" act of going out for a run in their park, their dar-ul-islam

[@anastasia10017]

i was on a beach in the USA and a muslim family came and set themselves up on the sand. Mom, 2 teenage daughters about 16-18 years old, father and younger son about 10-12 years old. The dad and the son sat on the beach in swimming trunks. the mom was completely dressed with hijab and about 4 layers of voluminous clothes and the 2 daughters wore what was essentially full wet suits, with a pair of gym shorts on top , T shirts, and their hijabs. so the only skin the daughters showed were their face, hands and feet. the women were completely covered up in multiple layers of clothes and the father and son wore their swimming trunks and enjoyed the sun and ocean water. I felt so bad for those women. Especially the daughters.

[@user-yh4en9wy8s]

You are so caring

[@sadiarahim1040]

Have u ever felt bad about people your government s r killing

[@aishahm1316]

Well on the other hand they were more protected from the UV rays of the sun and we all know how bad they can be 😊 so I would say they were luckier and probably did not suffer from sunburn or worry if they had a bikini body or worry if their breasts were falling out of their two piece for men to lustfully gawp at. U see it's about perspective just because we are accustomed to a norm does not mean it is the best way for everyone or it is the bench mark or standard for what is correct.

[@georgenoble9950]

Basically l think that sight and plight of Muslim women to us in the western cultures the Muslim clothing for women is NIANDERTAHAL but the stupid part about it is Neanderthal LEFT WING POLITICIANS thought or think that immigration from Muslim countries Would see ASSIMILATION IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THEM DOES IT NOT

[@kumaranvij]

I agree. I work with many Muslim girls who wear the hijab. I have learned that they hate being stared at and whispered about, and that it only makes them feel more like outsiders. We have to be kind to people wearing the hijab, so they know that the world around them is full of caring people, and that they have the option to leave their family's intolerant environment, and will be welcomed by the larger community.

[@ajwathen]

A few years ago I was at an open air market in Florida. It was very hot and humid. A saw a lady leaning under a tree in the shade. She was covered from head to toe. I could tell she was Muslim. Her husband on the other hand was put on the open with shorts, t-shirt? Hat and flip flops. He’s taking pictures and enjoying himself while she’s passing out under the tree. And we live on the age of equality!

[@margaretfleming3554]

Maajid making a very valid point, as he normally does. There is a huge difference between being made to dress in a specific way, for fear of punishment, and choosing to dress in a specific way.

[@c.a.t.732]

I'm not aware of any women being forced to participate in sexy ads. I am aware of women being forced to wear the burka. The two have nothing to do with each other.

[@erinsymone1645]

Oh dear. I implore you to look into this further. Very little concerning "sex work"/adjacent forms of selling sex can honestly be looked at as completely voluntary.

[@c.a.t.732]

@@erinsymone1645 No one is talking about "sex work". As far as sexy advertising goes, show me an example of any woman being forced to do that.

[@byMRTNjournals]

Heres something i never considered before a few months ago. I work with a woman from Afghanistan and she wears traditional dress. She was asked to do the dishes once and inevitably had to roll her sleeves up. What i noticed about halfway up her forearm was a round scar that looked like a severe burn. It was about 6cm in diameter. It looked like it was inflicted by another person. Maybe there is a reason muslim men dont want you lookong at their women's skin.

[@Lee-kg7ze]

Well noted. It seems that Muslim men are allowed to "beat" their wives. Sam Shamoun has a video about this.

[@Chris-wyt]

You're probably right, still not our problem.

[@rosc2022]

​@@Chris-wytWhat? You couldn't come up with a nastier response than that? Not my problem. 🤮

[@byMRTNjournals]

@@aishahm1316 you seem to be a bit.confised between culture and ethnicity yourself. The person I'm talking about is.whiter than me

[@byMRTNjournals]

@@aishahm1316 I didn't assume it was her husband. And It didn't occur to me until I seen it. So stop with your victimhood. Colonialism was a force for good overall. The fact you use the term pejoratively speaks volumes.

[@swingset1969]

Maajid's answer is actually a brilliant rebuttal to Brett's in one single word. The west's issues with this are scattered, and complicated. Islam's is brutally simple. That is a critical, crucial thing we need to address.

[@theaxialart]

hillarious, why? Because everything comes down to "freedom" vs. tyranny. Yes, it's that simple. ☕

[@crisdeeming2758]

Total ssubmission.mask up for your masters .just like the fools with covid.

[@Brc-kg1mg]

@@Jt87252 And dont force muslims to stop wearing burqas. Keep that same energy when hungary and france put up burqa bans even if the muslims willingly put them on.

[@wendypeeters7656]

​@@Brc-kg1mgyou want to live in our countrys you live by our rules, dont like go to an islamic country

[@marilenat.5255]

Can a western woman wear western clothes(normal decent ones, but not a burka after all) in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan...??

[@jeffs7915]

Don't really care how they practice their religion or customs, as long as they don't attempt to force their customs on the adoptive country. They've already made a mess of their own country, keep it there.

[@louk6196]

The burka is a movable prison.

[@neanda]

if i walked around with a black balaclava with just my eyes showing, it would scare everyone and i would be immediately arrested

[@erinsymone1645]

Smartest thing I've ever heard Brett say. Too bad not everyone can be as honest about this issue.

[@psychee1]

Yeah, acknowledging that a problem exists is paramount to ever being able to address it.

[@beam3819]

I saw a woman for the first time in my home town in Norway a young woman ( teenager) fully covered just eyes peeking out. I think its against the law in Norway. All this extremists must be deported back to their homeland if they cant abide with our laws and regulations. Women have been free more or less since the ice age in Norway.

[@Mooljim]

Per my research "In Norway, there is a ban on staff wearing the full veil in schools and nurseries.". Was she breaking any other laws? If not then she shouldn't be deported. As long as she and other Musliks keep their heads down and don't break any laws, they can practice the religion and wear whatever they want.

[@fearless802]

Maajid must be feeling full of lust when he sees a woman without burqa.

[@chloe-historyandgames]

they cant contain themselves can they?

[@maxhatush5918]

@@chloe-historyandgameswho’s they?

[@doratheexplorer1184]

Well Muhammad was the perfect example to muslim men, and he couldn't control himself, could he?! He was always getting h0rn¥!!!

[@microy]

came SUPER close to being run over by a school bus (full of children )stopped at a stop sign. Just as I was crossing the front of the bus It started to accelerate. As I jumped out of the way just in time , I looked up to see two eyes poking from holes cut into a large black tent....I don't particularly care whether women wear them are not but I would suggest the rest of us not be subjected to the inherant dangerswhich result. Ie; Driving, banks, voting etc,etc,etc.....

[@az-yq3rk]

When covid masks were forced on us I noticed the kids and babies were really distressed by not seeing peoples whole faces, they looked scared. It was relly cruel. There's the word.....cruel. The cruelty of burkas and that of the ones who enforce them to be worn.

[@baldbastardo]

The Qur'an says men and women must dress modestly. Surprisingly there's no equivalent outfit for men. Must be an oversight that'll get fixed aaaaany time now...

[@pinchebruha405]

@@RaveShamanyes but it’s not required

[@randomobserver683]

😂

[@puneet7768]

​@@RaveShamanthat doesn't cover the whole face of a man

[@narmi218]

@@puneet7768duh because there are separate modes of dress. If a man goes topless on the beach and a woman goes topless, is it viewed the same.

[@sandyralphs4639]

i took my grandkids swimming and my grand daughter asked why are those people people getting in the pool with their clothes on and hats - my grandson then said nanny wont their cars get wet when they go home - managed to distract them as the wave machine came on - the men were walking around together in shorts - staring at the women in bikinis - strangest swim ive ever had

[@fiorenzaattanasio4796]

Thank you Douglas … Humankind needs you. I love you. You always speak for Me sir

[@Trutsetyoufree755]

We need him protected

[@eveefstathiou3714]

I think the best thing for religions and men is to stop obsessing about women. Leave us alone! You do not have to make societal rules for us

[@kathyhansen2820]

I don't believe that they can stop obsessing. It's in their jeans (intentional misspell).

[@avasta.]

I think you will find the traditional Hindu modes of dressing to be the middle ground or solution to the two extremes you mentioned. It doesn't allow for explicit sexual display and comes off as "modest", yet is colorful, vibrant and allows women to express their femininity in beautiful ways, which is denied in the Islamic mode of things.

[@MizrahiChick]

Love this !!

[@kathyhansen2820]

Big of them to "allow" women choice in apparel.

[@avasta.]

@@kathyhansen2820 Well obviously there needs to be some restraint so as not to lead to degeneracy

[@kathyhansen2820]

Women are not covered from head to toe so that other women and children can't view them so where is restraint actually needed? @@avasta.

[@avasta.]

@@kathyhansen2820 I don't understand you

[@RememberNineEleven]

The burka was great if you were stuck in a Middle Eastern sand storm. It is like a raincoat - one wears it when it rains. Take your burka off after the storm.

[@frequentlycynical642]

Men didn't wear burkas. So much for that theory.

[@RememberNineEleven]

@@frequentlycynical642 True, but the IP was meant to be somewhat sarcastic .... maybe too subtle.

[@Theactivepsychos]

The clothing isn’t a monstrosity but the ideology behind it is.

[@kjetilknyttnev3702]

No, they are both a monstrosity.

[@Theactivepsychos]

@@kjetilknyttnev3702 can you explain why a piece of cloth is a monstrosity without appealing to your own taste or the reason for the wearing of the the cloth bag?

[@kjetilknyttnev3702]

@@Theactivepsychos Because it is CENSORSHIP and a direct violation of equal rights for women, not fashion. Wake up buddy. Try to find ONE non-muslim woman wanting to wear that. ONE.

[@Theactivepsychos]

@@kjetilknyttnev3702 so this is the argument against the ideology. The item of clothing, if Islam didn’t exist, would be fine for me or you to want to wear.

[@Theactivepsychos]

@@kjetilknyttnev3702 do you find nuns wearing a similar outfit so appalling. They choose to do it. It’s almost the same except for the face covering. If they did choose to wear a face cloth would that elevate it to monstrosity? What about when people wear a scarf covering their face? Is that monstrous?

[@sage1d590]

Having to wear drab clothes and the burka would instantly halt the fashion of men pretending they’re women.

[@fionaforward3358]

Good thought.

[@mitchtitus1632]

Modesty, marriage, and cultural propriety were Western solutions until we deemed them not a solution.

[@eddieraffs5909]

The 4 minute explanation makes perfect sense to critical thinkers. However, you have to throw in the human unique ability to reason and the propensity of humans to react emotional to almost any situation.

[@themsmloveswar3985]

Excellent discussion

[@crossx695]

Maajid Nawaz was one of the best presenters on LBC, great shame he left because of his views on Covid, he is very thoughtful and articulate, he is brave to say these things, it doesn't get much to get you slaughtered with a certain religion.

[@ilovecockatoos]

Very interesting discussion , I have never heard someone talk about the problem the first speaker describes

[@amorris0419]

The “tension”, IMHO, is there still are humans who seem to NEED to dehumanize and attempt to force non-existence of others (men/women/children alike), onto others. Why do some humans need to do this, why do some allow it to happen to them, and can this cycle ever end? Why do we tolerate bad and inhumane actions…?

[@user-go5qw8tz5r]

I have seen that on a beach. And was absolutely shocked.

[@paulainesmachado]

Western countries are wonderful sanctuaries. We must protect and preserve them.

[@cjlloyd53]

Which ever way you look at it, including the the make up of the panel, its men telling women what they should or shouldn't do, men giving their opinions and women having no say.

[@Tarz2155]

Why don’t they ever bring on Muslims and pose this question to them

[@benleon621]

Judaism has the best way to deal with that tension. Dress and behave modestly, and don't even think about women that are forbidden for you. Believe that G-d sees you and that you don't want to ruin your life for a forbidden woman. Be a father and husband, care for your family. Don't think of women as a means of your sexual satisfaction.

[@Martin.Wilson]

A lot of care and consideration went into the designing of the burka by the Arab designer Muslim Dior.

[@charlottebowes7666]

I don’t like wearing socks all day… A burka? In the bin 😂

[@mariemcrae4027]

Amazing how its always the woman who has to manage her sexuality so the man doesnt have to worry about getting a glimpse of a leg of a breast and feel uncomfortable (or not). So its easier to put the burden on the female. Ghastly burkahs etc

[@susieq1752]

Women of all religions should be free to cover their hair, many Christians do, but a woman's face is one of the most beautiful pieces of art God ever created, only the devil would want to cover His handiwork.

[@HangOn31]

Omar Sharif, the famous Egyptian actor, once said: *Only ugly women ware BURKAS*

[@adnaanu]

Well, he was a Coptic Christian, so he would say that.

[@HangOn31]

@@adnaanu Nope...he was born and raised Christian and converted to Islam in order to marry.

[@ZM00716]

Prettier than topless birds

[@CaroL-nf5rs]

Beautiful women wear burkas but men who exist in a culture that demands women wear those hideous things show just how weak they are. A bunch of men advertising “we have no self control “ so all women have to be covered. It’s pathetic

[@speaktruth9313]

@@HangOn31you mean so he could have 4 wives..ugh!

[@mdav30]

Brett as usual lands off the mark when he says anything about anything other than evolution... There's no contest between societies that are deeply sexually repressive and those that are more sexually liberated. The liberated ones absolutely are better. Imperfect, but way better. If you don't believe this, list those countries where sex is more open and accepted and I'll show you economically and intellectually more advanced societies than the ones where sex is heavily repressed. In fact, just list the societies where it's okay to be gay and I'll show you better societies.

[@GamesLibrary-nl4dh]

Being economically advanced has nothing to do with what you are saying, in fact you can hardly make any connection between the two. What you mean to say is equal opportunity between everyone including men and women and that has nothing to do with openness to sex or dress code for that matter What brett is trying to say is that the West has a real problem not only in birthing children but also maintaining a monogamous married life/stable household

[@miekewiskie3039]

Well said. My thoughts exactly. Show me how a country treats it's women and I tell you it's economic situation.

[@mdav30]

@@GamesLibrary-nl4dh I don't know... Germany, Japan, the Nordic countries, the UK, Australia, America... All countries where sexuality is at least fairly open and all leading economic countries. Maybe a place like Singapore would be an exception, but the exception that proves the rule. I am not sure how China holds up here, but I've never heard of them being sexually repressive.

[@patrickhall6627]

@@mdav30 "I am not sure how China holds up here, but I've never heard of them being sexually repressive." I suppose it depends on exactly how you define "sexually repressive", but foot binding, and China's decades-long 1-child policy should fit the bill, and also are widely known. Regardless, your argument that sexual freedom is correlated to economic success has a number of issues. Chiefly, that correlation does not equate to causation.

[@Chris-wyt]

This impulsive group of males needs to go.

[@BojanBojovic]

Magnificent! The link to the full video?

[@michaelkulman7095]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKuslJivaZ6peK8si=cLQviWfPBUOBCutY

[@ArnoutCW]

The link is in the description.

[@mitchbarredo3990]

My wife is completely creeped out by women in burkas.

[@truthismycause2800]

So is mine. One day while watching the news about Afghanistan my late mother told me that if she had to wear a black burka in a scorching heat like they have in the M East while going through menopause she'd have died from hyperthermia. I can't imagine what it is like being forced to live under a tent all the time, with your earing and vision impaired and your movements constrained. It must be hell.

[@Dancestar1981]

She’s not the only one

[@user-bo7ls6ju1o]

Wish Douglas Murray was PM , just read his book The Madness of crowds , certainly made me think

[@aussie1kid]

As much as I enjoy listening to Brett's analysis on things, and I have no doubt he's probably correct in his appraisal of the situation, unfortunately or otherwise what works in practicality is simplistic heuristics and rubrics to arrive at an outcome. Brett's desire to intellectualise everything to an umpteenth degree is beaten out by the voices who don't play by the same rules, and have no desire to. Why play chess with someone if they don't acknowledge which ways the pieces can move, and declare they've won from the outset, because God told them so?

[@chavruta2000]

the burka strips women of their humanity

[@paulcastle1718]

In all my 76 years I have always thought that to conceal ones identity in public was illegal .

[@jacquelinemcgraw6213]

I was at my country club with my friend. We left after our swim, sauna etc. In the jacuzzi there was a woman dressed head to toe in black. I found this very offensive as you are expected to shower before using the facilities. Now in my swimsuit this is possible hair washed also. Freshened up before entering pool. What I object to is going in with clothes on that give the appearance of being contaminated with all sorts. Not on.

[@liatfeldman1408]

The "surprising" and recurring thing is that these forums, which concern women, are managed by men and by them alone. I would have expected a female voice to express the subject of the discussion in the first person

[@Elfrida-ls2mo]

Spot on What a Bunch of Hypocrites However A Least they are talking about something that Should have been banned in the West and world from day One It's Got Sod all to do with Religious just Control of Women and Females

[@emmanuelpascal66]

The difference is dogma!!!! Last words almost covered in the amusements ….Dogma.

[@katieb3778]

The first step in solving male violence and depravity is to name the problem. Way too much gender neutral language being used when they were framing this conversation. Male violence is the problem.

[@grumpyoldgit8254]

There are a few munters in Selby in the Uk who really ought to be wearing Burkas,

[@jerrygeorgopolis8015]

Good to see and hear Maajid Nawaz again !

[@Rafooky92]

0:47 I believe he means 'panoply', not 'pantheon'

[@ilovecockatoos]

I guess pantheon refers to respected , important group of people and panoply to an impressive collection of things. I didn’t realize this until I looked it up after your comment , so thank you

[@trixiepup3079]

you are correct.

[@davidbilbrough3726]

Have you noticed the husbands in this country with a full traditonal English dress of shirt, trousers and gold watch; while the downtroden wives follow behind in Burka suffering inthe name of some religion?

[@rennyskiathitis8178]

what is the date of this?

[@patrickbracken3363]

Nobody getting the irony of 4 men talking about what the think women should be wearing?

[@susanthejew6351]

yeah so funny you trying to score brownie points for your next feminazi meeting?

[@Simpleburger1968]

It is more about women's freedom to wear what they choose. It might have been nice to have found some sentient , intelligent females perhaps , but you can't disregard them simply because they are male . It is of course the males that have held sway on the "interpretation" of the Islamic code ...

[@ArnoutCW]

Six men!

[@shelleyphilcox4743]

Why shouldnt a panel of all men be able to discuss the issue, how they see it, the effects in society on the women in their lives and how it affects them as men, as well as looking at the effects in wider society? All women panels do the same, discussing men. There are also mixed panels discussing these topics. I think it's good. There is only a problem when people are denied a platform and are excluded from having a voice, and that's not the case in the west. No topic should be off limits for discussion for anyone, we all live in society together and these things affect us all in different ways.

[@voltairedentotalenkrieg5147]

Why not talk about circumcision? Bret? Typical.

[@voltairedentotalenkrieg5147]

A barbaric act and none of these atheist types talk about it. It's not hard to figure out why once you realise their backgrounds. I wouldn't trust one of these weasels.

[@sajiseb]

Should be banned in secular countries

[@beckywates1819]

It's about modesty. Going to extremes of covering up or going out semi naked.

[@dion5804]

Indigenous people walk naked and they don't have problems. They don't sexualize the human body. They see it as something natural. Maybe the problem is our mentality and misogyny.

[@itamar1964]

Burkas are an integral part of a society with a set of values integrated into a certain ideological religion because in this base society, women are perceived as a means of production and must be preserved at all costs.

[@Chris-wyt]

So that's why the others get raped? Nope, it's your lack of impulse control.

[@anastasia10017]

production of what ??

[@itamar1964]

@@anastasia10017 What is the one thing that women can produce that man cannot and cannot even equate it with any artificial substance?

[@speaktruth9313]

Male dominance.

[@itamar1964]

@@speaktruth9313 Of course it is. When baby production is the most important thing is a tribal society, males will take control of it and exert total dominance over women.

[@Vegetasinghyadav]

Respect for POLAND 📈📈📈📈📈

[@DrAsa-mw3oq]

To the KZbin: The volume of the advertisement for Micheal business is extremely loud. Adjust the voice, or you are turning away the viwers from the program itself !!!

[@andrewbores5985]

Interesting starting point to the discussion... I think this is technically a false equivalency due to the ability to chose radical sexual epression vs modesty on an individual level in the West. But, there is room for a discussion about how over-sexualization particularly of the young in the media, porn, excessive good looks expectations, no modesty etc. can be problematic in it's own right particularly for women. Burkas do strip away the ability to express oneself in public though; which seems bad a best and inhumane at worst. What is most accurate here is; what do you do about sexual paradigms between the sexes when it is known that humans are marginally monogamous at best historically. Do you dictate norms culturally, or let people go wild and what are the negative repercussions of either and who are those outcomes negative for? Those are the essential questions I think which have been problematic for all of human history, instead of comparing Islamamic solutions to this issue with Western values (which are clearly at odds in some ways).

[@matt12.8]

St Paul gave the answer to your question. The best is to be like him, chaste and uninterested in sexuality. If you cannot be like Paul, if you must entertain and please your sexual desires, if you cannot live w/o them, you sanctify your sexuality in marriage and direct it towards making babies. A secularist like Bret cannot accept this, as Paul's recommendation goes against the utilitarian ideology, and casts down the Golden Calf of secularism, which is "human wellbeing". Paul can rebuke the highest value of the animal, pleasing the senses and procreation, making more humans, as Paul have divine values. Bret cannot, as he only has human-biologial values.

[@ninaromm5491]

@AndrewBores . Wouldn't it be wonderful to have an extended discussion covering the points you have raised in depth! Would sophisticate the entire conversation substantially... Here's hoping ! Regards to all 🎉

[@stephenholmgren405]

Sexualizing young women is only made worst by onlyfans where you have thousands of school aged girls waiting to turn 18 and drop out of school every month

[@LeekowalskiWalker]

School finishes at 16 lol

[@johns1625]

You're right we should make them wear a burqa

[@user-tg9vi1sp3t]

Men AGAIN discussing about what a woman should wear. The irony 😂😂😂

[@Lumsdenaa]

Who clipped this and why?

[@spewter]

Who? Harrison Pangbum. Why? Because it’s a provocative topic. This causes higher views, and comments, and this engagement leads to money for the uploader.

[@rationalmuscle]

Equating a burka to a 15-year-old in a bikini ad is akin to equating a suicide bomber to a guy at a mostly peaceful protest (a "real" mostly peaceful protest that is.)

[@jesuslopez-fe7dv]

Nobody is equating anything to anything. Obviously you didn't get the point.

[@RobertDouglasLW]

@@jesuslopez-fe7dv Brett Weinstein made the comparison between "sexualizing young women" in the west and the compulsory enforcement of the burqa in the video. Watch before you comment.

[@pizzaboy4463]

​@@RobertDouglasLWAnd in comparing, he was effectively divirting attention from a vile and disgusting treatment of women, thus effectively covering it up.

[@davidevans916]

Islam truly is an abomination

[@jakeraymond8963]

The answer is to help people see the reasoning behind why lust is unjust and respect the institution of marriage for sexual relationships. It seems like the christian approach is the best middle ground between the current west culture and Islam.

[@honeybunch6473]

Served at John Lewis and Next (2 ladies) in Wycombe by ladies in full burka (but not black). I found it very uncomfortable. It is strange to interact with someone seeing only two eyes.

[@barbaradaines1647]

We’ve seen women in hotel pools in Morocco and Zanzibar in full Burkas. I wouldn’t go into the pool after that, didn’t want to swim in their stinky, smelly wake 🤮yuk, it looked revolting!

[@ishubaba4202]

This is a monstrosity 👇 “Decomposing bodies of premature babies found in Gazas Al-Nasr children’s hospital” - TRT World Horrifying that staff and parents were led away at gunpoint leaving these babies to die

[@Anicius_]

Imagine being in sociology class and start barking about medicine. Do you have something to say about their subject? No? Shut the f*** up then. And blame the parents of those children for being wombs of slavery.

[@dion5804]

What about all the Muslims conflicts in the last decades killing hundreds of thousands? One million of Afghani were kicked out of Pakistan few weeks ago with nothing and I don't see the same commotion and aids for them. You're a bunch of hypocrites.

[@lachlanscanlan5621]

@@dion5804 western governments are highly involved in enabling Israel for decades, including the settling there-Balfour etc, and their own news programs drive narratives about the place constantly, so the western people are concerned with the veracity of what their news feeds show and with what their tax dollars are enabling

[@nataliescott1914]

Funny how there is not woman on panel?

[@shelleyphilcox4743]

@nataliescott1914 I dont think there is a problem with an all male panel discussing any aspect of the society they live in and examining their own responsibilities and behaviours in that society and how it affects them and others, similarly I watch debates with all women panels discussing similar issues in the same way. I think it's to be encouraged that all men panels do it, all women panels do it and mixed panels do it. There is only a problem when one group or another is stopped from discussing it and sharing their opinions or denied a platform.

[@alanc6781]

Oh. I saw these tents walking and wondered about them.

[@musirikrishnaswamy7670]

But the world will not call a spade a spade. Why? They believe in invisible garment of the stupid king

[@Milestonemonger]

I knew a Muslim woman who once told me: "I wish I could find a man who wants me to wear the hijab (head scarf). She equates being asked to cover up to being loved.

[@eleycki]

Indoctrination. When has a non muslim woman ever thought this?

[@johns1625]

"I wish I could find a man who would hit me if I tried to leave. It makes me feel valued"

[@kathyhansen2820]

Or maybe a consistent bad hair day?

[@dion5804]

Religious indoctrination is a mental illness.

[@peggytoo]

The difference is that one is mandatory and one is optional.

[@sgordon8123]

Well said Brett. I for one feel the dreadful illness of anorexia nervosa (the most fatal mental illness) is exacerbated if not 100% caused (?) by the problems in the west with the I guess the purchase power of male sexuality.

[@user-zr9nl2wl3o]

Interesting that you don't hear a word about the islamic suppression of women from the woke brigade.

[@therighteousrighthand]

There was a case in India where In a 3 panel judge with one being Muslim, it was ruled that face covering is not religious but cultural.