Will Islam Destroy Us? Sam Harris, Bret Weinstein, Eric Weinstein, Maajid Nawaz, Douglas Murray

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A Day of Reckoning was an all-day conference that took place in Sydney, Australia at the ICC on August 12th 2018. This conference featured Sam Harris, Maajid Nawaz, Eric Weinstein, Bret Weinstein & Douglas Murray. The event was moderated by Josh Zepps.
The conference included 4 - 90 minute sessions, which included a meditation workshop with Sam Harris.
This conference was presented by Pangburn Philosophy.

[@Pangburn]

ISLAM is the problem in ISRAEL kzbin.info/www/bejne/gau9oIubbpqAracsi=F4mE23ZLDhz_JbJL

[@ShifuCareaga]

thank you for uploading; this is the greatest panel I've ever seen outside of a scientific context.

[@kswishh3387]

Christian’s is the problem in Israel because it Christians giving weapons to Zionist in order to commit genocide.

[@mqb5151]

Your dad was the problem when he forced your mumma the night your were conceived

[@akashsinha2880]

There's multiple global fatwas against women wearing skirts but zero fatwa against the most dangerous terrorists. Why?

[@marouan-sa86]

If you are ignorant and do not know the history of Israel, who created it, and who supports it in the Middle East, yes, you will say this, but on the contrary, the Zionists in Palestine came to colonize, and we do not recognize it as a state because that land is occupied.

[@ratpatrolrenegade1413]

Imagine yelling, "God is Great" after every act of violence and calling yourself the religion of peace.

[@MW92.]

Islam is evil at its core. Everyone knows it but don’t have the balls to say it

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Christianity

[@rainyvideos3684]

But they are the religion of peace, it's just not peace as we understand but as they understand it. For when one submits under Islam you are at peace.

[@rishivalaparla7757]

im an indian and i absolutely agree

[@tuanrobertglowacki516]

They are psychopaths.Just look up what isis or Hamas doing. And pathological liars.

[@zvilender247]

"Will Islam Destroy Us?" -- The answer is in the question. Nobody is asking whether Buddhism will destroy us.

[@slightlyopinionated8107]

It’s because the west hasn’t made an enemy from the Buddhists as it has to Muslims.

[@Inge-99]

​@@slightlyopinionated8107nothing to do with it. Islam kills everything it touches.

[@Jacob_108_10]

That's deep

[@uruhara6713]

Read about Myanmar genocide...it was carried out by buddhists

[@user-hb8zp6xu1z]

@@uruhara6713 agaisnt who? its the muslims again. Its almost like muslim made enemies out of everyone

[@gervanderburg1301]

Thete is no such a thing as Islamophobia. A phobia is a irrational fear. THERE IS NOTHING IRRATIONAL about fearing Islam

[@mejsjalv]

There may be an irrational phobia towards Muslims, who can be way better than the doctrines of their religion. But well, after decades of seeing what happens when Islam gets very "old timey" and violent and destructive, and seeing it happen over and over and over again repeating itself in cycles of violence... with a doctrine that radicalizes and militarizes every generation with the intention of becoming theocracies... That's no phobia! It's a consistent threat to security in the world.

[@nursejoed]

Try out the word "islamomisia". It fits better how rational people's reaction to it should be.

[@Jin3311]

Amen to that!

[@user-nf7bl7mb5q]

Exactly

[@MW92.]

Islam is the evil of this earth

[@media-rn6zc]

Imagine a religion whose followers admit that they want to kill you. But they say you have a phobia if you don't want to be killed.

[@shaneashby5890]

Well said 👏

[@HS-mz1lh]

Lol that's what the media want you to be believe. Islam continues to being the fastest growing Religion on the planet in terms of conversions. And don't say by force.. Go to your local Mosque and ask any convert to the religion and they will tell you why they chose Islam. Most of you here have never probably read the Qur'an or gone to your local Mosque to learn about it. Continue to live in your ignorance.

[@tjc4085]

I’m a Muslim, and I have never not once been taught that it’s okay to kill. Where the f do you get ur info from? I live in a very Muslim community in London, spend 100% with Muslims. Went to school, went to an Islamic school. Never had a thought to kill another, never did any of my Muslim teachers teach this. Never did I open an Islamic book and see stuff about killing non Muslims. But I did read history books, modern world specifically and do you know who did alot of killing?? WHITE people! And do you not who they killed in droves? Muslims. Didn’t Americans kill millions of Muslims in the Iraq war they later said was a mistake? Ooops that’s one group of WHITE murderers. Didn’t French massacre millions of Algerian Muslims when they resisted the invasion of their country? Oops that’s another groom of white murdered. Didn’t America also kill alot of Muslims in the war in Syria? Ooops another group of Muslims. Didn’t Americans also cause alot of children to die to starvation in Yemen by aiding the genocide there? Oops the same group of Muslims. Aren’t Americans giving money to Israel to bomb the crap out of Gaza and already killed 8,000 Muslim children, and 15,000 Muslims in total? Ooops another group of whiye people working together. Didn’t Americans invade Afghanistan and kill about of Afghans there? Even bomb buildings where civilians were getting married? Oh wow, another unjust massacre there by white people. Damn, all those killings and it’s mostly Muslims being killed and YOUR people doing the killing. Interesting gaslighting tactic ain’t it

[@tashithinlas3184]

The phobia is not unfounded.

[@cricketsoccurgossip7125]

imagine after killing millions of innocent women and children, calling your self "enligntened beings", "free democracy"

[@itachiofthesharingan67]

Always remember this pattern, 1) Conflict is always between islam vs other religions 2) Other islamic countries will not accept those affected muslims as their refugees, but they somehow sneak into non-islamic countries. (Russia, whole EU problem with refugees: France, Germany, Spain etc., India divided into 3+ countries, Iran was not an islamic state initially) 3) once they are into non-islamic countries, they create separate laws and try to break that country too.

[@ultrainstinctgoku9657]

Muslims have lived in India and Iran for longer than Europeans in North America, South America, Australia, etc. You reek of hypocracy 😂

[@wjs010ify]

How dare you notice what is happening. How dare you state the obvious

[@mreza4932]

Indeed conflict is between islam and other religions. Because islam doesn’t allow to subjugate people. For example usury is not allowed in islam. Which is by extension subjugation of the borrower. Now if Islam stays your entire unhealthy economic system will crash. “Other islamic countries will not except those effected muslims” is just a blatant lie. Bangladesh the forth largest muslim majority country took over 1 million Rohingya. As they were being persecuted and subjected to genocide by violent buddhists. The “choice people” community does that all the time every where they go. So much so that you unchosen one wouldn’t be even to step foot in their neighborhood. On the other hand where ever islam ruled that land thrived.

[@kellyjones8299]

Tru dat!

[@jesseoreilly1792]

It's not immigration with Islamists, it's an invasion.

[@sids48]

Islam should never have been allowed into ENGLAND 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤬

[@tyresaleslead]

Or any other nation. Deport the lot.

[@TomasCorvidea]

According to Thomas Jefferson it's illegal to allow muslims to immigrate to the U.S.

[@ginawhiteley8834]

Or the USA 🇺🇸.

[@Zanakiller123]

Or Germany

[@TomasCorvidea]

@@ginawhiteley8834 According to Thomas Jefferson, it's supposed to be illegal to allow muslims to immigrate to the US.

[@colinlavery625]

Islamophobia is a very carefully crafted word to make people with valid concerns about Islam, look as if they have some sort of mental issue.

[@Apistevist]

Yes, that's the way phobia is almost always used in the current day.

[@colinlavery625]

I agree .... you never hear of hinduophobia, buddhistophobia, mormonophobia, jainophobia etc etc as these religions are not seen as a threat to us in the West and elsewhere.

[@andersf5464]

Yes, but sound people are phobic towards violence and extremism like islam. Cf hydrofob = not soluble in water. Or 'fear of water' - hydrophobia - rabies.

[@Apistevist]

Islam has murdered ~270,000,000 people since it began and there have been closing in on 50,000 lethal terrorist attacks in the name of Islam since Sep 11th 2011.@@andersf5464

[@user-oz4fv5jy4h]

Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are BOTH forms of Racism. How can we Muslims be Anti-Semitic,...When we Muslims experience Racism of IslamaPhobia on a Daily Basis? IslamaPhobia is the only form of BIGOTRY allowed in today’s times.

[@lillab6338]

If I ask myself if I am happy with my very imperfect life in Europe right now that I am always complaining about, I just have to think about sharia law and the life we see others have in Muslim countries and then all of a sudden I become the happiest person on the planet...😂

[@LARESCIV]

No muslim country has instated sharia laws except iran and afghanistan and maybe saudi and all of them arent fully sharia ruled, educate yourself

[@strajkovski8767]

So happy that you will unwittingly accept the Zionist NWO as your new life , you don't even know that you are a slave, commercial banks have irrevocable power of attorney on everyone, we are all owned By the banks, the birth certificate is the deed, how else do you think they can take the promissory note that you signed, without paying you anything for it, that's how they foreclose when you don't pay, you sign money into creation and as your power of attorney they control that money, that is how they are controlling all the resources, so if they are controlling the resources they would have to pay royalties to the real owners of the resources and you think the religion that specifically forbids this is your problem, no no you have it backwards, the religion of Islam is a problem for your slave masters, because it forbids what they are doing to you and that is why they have brainwashed you into forging such an ignorant position, you know if you actually took the time to read, you would know what Riba and Harram is

[@nathaliemaes]

​@@LARESCIVyou have said absolutely nothing... your muslim ppl come into western countries and start protesting to have sharia.

[@JoeWyley]

​@@LARESCIV And Brunei

[@LARESCIV]

@@nathaliemaes I said everything that's crucial to the argument that you did not know yet about, if you want to thank me for educating you go ahead I'm sure countries that tried to instate some form of sharia are benefiting, gulf ones for example are surely much safer than most of UK, France, Sweden and U.S. simply cause they adopted some principles from the Divine

[@krishath7085]

One thing about Islam you can't dispute...as its number goes UP quality of life goes DOWN

[@marosal9258]

The same can be said about every single country America has decided to intervene in to "free" its people from tranny. Educate your self on history of muskims in Andalucia and see for your self how the quality of life for muslims and non-muslims was back then compared to the quality of life in europe. Stop getting your information from hater of Islam only, search and read then comment.

[@Mandems973]

People in the UAE and KSA have a much higher quality of living than Europe lol Conflating politics and religion is such a stupid take.

[@HeinousMarlborough]

@@Mandems973 Human rights organisations consider the UAE substandard on human rights, citing reports of government critics being imprisoned and tortured, families harassed by the state security apparatus, and cases of forced disappearances.[26][27] Individual rights such as the freedoms of assembly, association, the press, expression, and religion are also severely repressed. Yeah that sounds much better than living in Sweden lol.

[@joebroart]

​@@Mandems973 Source: A dream i had

[@Mandems973]

@@joebroart The entire premise of the Apartheid state is due to the Zionist regime’s desires to remain the demographic majority and power. Otherwise the idea of it being a Jewish state will be challenged. Therefore, they treat Arabs differently in different parts of the OPT and Israel depending on their location and particular concerns. Fundamentally they are treated differently from Israeli Jews. The rights of Arabs/Palestinians rank in the following hierarchy: Israeli National>West Bank> East Jerusalem> Gaza > Exile/diaspora. You can mover down (or to the right) of the hierarchy, but each step will limit your rights, and you can’t move up the hierarchy (to the left). A Jewish Israeli however, can move between this hierarchy as they please, while having more and full rights at all stages, and always more than any Arab at any one spot. Again, they are treated differently from Israeli Jews. In the West Bank for example, Palestinians are subject to a military occupation administration even when they are not in Israel proper (remember Israel doesnt recognize the two state solution or Palestinian sovereignty). Israeli settlers in the West bank are subject to civil courts where as the Palestinians are subject to Israeli military courts, which give unreasonably high conviction rates, sometimes long periods of confinement without even representation, make arrest of minors and can include torture. Why are Israeli settlers treated differently than to Palestinians in the WB? Israel applies different systems of governance and courts on both groups in the WB extraterritorially and unequally. For example a settler committing a crime goes to an Israeli civil court, whereas a Palestinian goes to a military court, often witheld without trail for ling periods of time, in a hearing that has always been condemned as unfair when compared to international standards of fair trails. Why does Military Order 101 Regarding Prohibition of Incitement and Hostile Propaganda Actions punish and criminalizes Palestinians for attending and organizing an assembly of 10 or more people without a permit for an issue that “may be construed as political”. And then why does it not define what is meant by “political”, effectively banning protests, including peaceful protests, while stipulating up to 10 years’ imprisonment and/or hefty fines for anyone breaching it? Why is a Palestinian’s ability to build homes and move within the west bank restricted and why is the human registry restricted by an Israeli Military administration if they are not Israeli citizens? Why are there tens of thousands of palestinians married to foreign nationals, who cant bring their nationals over because Israels Military administration blocks adding these individuals to the registries, effectively closing them out to immigration to their spouses? Clearly they are subjected to forms of subjugation and domination even when they are not Israeli citizens, and not in Israel proper, because they are Arab and thats the definition of Apartheid. Remember, under the Rome Statute, the crime against humanity of apartheid means inhumane acts committed in the context of an institutionalised regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups. And how about the discriminatory zoning laws for Israeli Arabs? Why are refugees not allowed to return to their homes in Israel if all Jews world wide can “the law of return”? Why, according to a 2016 analysis by Mossawa Center of the Israeli Ministry of Educations, do Israeli Arabs get a third of the funding per capita for education and other social welfare programs than their Jewish Israeli counterparts? Why is it so difficult to get building permits for Arab Israelis too? Arab Israelis don’t need to join the army, but miss out on social benefits that come with it, which is fair - but why are the ultra orthodox who also dint join the army granted access to those services? Why are 75% of Gazans registered as non Gazan refugees in the UN Relief? Why are they restricted from using 35% of their agricultural land, 85% of the sea and 100% of the sky by the Israeli occupation? Why is it only that the Eastern Jerusalem Palestinians the ones who are revoked of their ID cards retroactively, if they cannot prove that Jerusalem is their “center of life”? Why does this jot happen to Israeli Jews? There are mannnyyyyy more points that make Israel an Apartheid state, but above are a few. Its so overwhelming and multilayered the best thing you should do to read about it. Have you read any of the reports? If you have I doubt you would be doubting the conclusion. Have you read any of the reports? You can go read any of the following: Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, The UN Special Rappetoires, B’Tselem, the ESCWA report, Yesh Din, the International Federation if Human Rights. Pick and choose there are plenty more.

[@elioxman8496]

It's very simple. Just keep Islam within Islamic world. Don't let any newcomers in and send them all to their former countries of origin. And so there will be no need to prove which world is better. Once it's done all the truth seekers of both worlds may sing their songs for their respective and understanding crowds. And publish, publish, publish.

[@martinjnagy]

Unfortunately implementing your simple solution is anything but simple

[@elioxman8496]

one who knows "why" will always find "how" @@martinjnagy

[@tarathetortoise]

honest question: I am an atheist from a muslim country, born in a muslim country and i don't want to live in it. I want to legally leave my country for a western country. if your method is implemented, will I and people like me be outright refused? or will you also come up with a way to sift through the applications to find the real muslims to refuse? also, in my own country i am legally and officially a muslim, because loudly leaving islam is not an option compatible with continued life. I really am curious as to what your solution is, because if it were up to me, I wouldn't want any more muslims in non-muslim countries than you do, but I don't see a way other than to sacrifice myself and my life and many others like me along the way of "keeping islam within islamic world".

[@elioxman8496]

i am talking about religion not nationality. the only state known to me as truly Islamic state was tried by daiesh and only for a very brief period. thus i think i will be correct to assume that every single citizen of a muslim country would also have a nationality. i never mentioned or intended that citizen of muslim countries should not be allowed into countries that want immigrants to come. and in fact, living in one of them myself, i would not care how their religion should be called as long as the traditional islam ideology, i.e. idea of conquest of the world from the hands of "kufars" is abandoned. there is no other religion today that strives to do this and thus various religions live together and their missionaries compete for the followers on the market of romantic ideas along with other generally non-violent groups including very disgusting ones. but you don't need to worry about yourself as my proposal is nothing but wishful thinking. the western civilization is so eager to commit suicide that my little squeak would not be noticed. @@tarathetortoise

[@jivanbansi9640]

all the islamic border are bloody, every one.

[@dreamers9849]

Douglas is awesome. God bless him.

[@theguyver4934]

Even though i'm a muslim i do still like him

[@WillScarlet1991]

@@theguyver4934 He hates you though.

[@HS-mz1lh]

Lol he don't believe in God. He's a prostitute of the zionist regime

[@maxmadonov4549]

There is no need to tolerate intolerance. We need to understand that tolerating intolerance is going to destroy our values.

[@anfisapan6211]

Just like the freedom to destroy freedom. It's illogical.

[@dellabrodsky4655]

No. Tolerating WHATEVER DESTROYING OUR VALUES will destroy our values. Because our enemies don't bother with tolerance. And by so - win by definition

[@osmankeskin9140]

Arent you intolerant if you dont tolerate intolorance 😂?

[@kumarshivam1234]

Umm, no because your intolerance is in pursuit to create tolerance.

[@osmankeskin9140]

@@kumarshivam1234 mental gymnastics 😂 western ppl are confused and lost touch to reality. You have to be intolerant to ensure law and order. Everyone of you is intolerant.

[@ghostofdayinperson]

I think one of the first things we should do is delegitimize the term "Islamophobia".

[@ShifuCareaga]

Why? You should realistic be afraid of a philosophy that wants to destroy you. Deeply aware and consciously afraid, not merely blind with fear of the unknown.

[@dylan-5287]

Islamophobia and anti semitism have both become such nonsense phrases that can literally be tied to anything. Like the term "racist" they're meaningless.

[@akashsinha2880]

It's not Islamophobia if the the book literally says kill the non believers and they blindly follow it. They actually give titles to people who kill the non believers.

[@ghostofdayinperson]

@@ShifuCareaga yes - that’s exactly my point. The term is used in a derogatory way to make us look like the problem for being legitimately fearful of Islam. A reasonable fear is not a phobia. Phobia implies that the fear is irrational.

[@ShifuCareaga]

@@ghostofdayinperson fair enough

[@erine.5680]

Majid is hilarious 😂,his growth is inspiring, I heard his story a while back and I'm impressed on how much this man changed. It takes some serious stones to admit as a grown man that what you believed your whole life was a lie. I truly respect this gentleman!

[@jayceew3010]

We need to stop blindly accepting and including all types of ethics, ideologies, world views, and politics. We as a society need to start rejecting what is not congruent with Liberalism and Our shared Morals (Like the idea of killing innocents is bad, or the idea of sexual relationships with children is aborant) We cannot assume all people everywhere share or values or ideas of what is worth protecting, what is right ethically, and what is true objectively. Rejecting does not mean eradicating. But it does mean not allowing their Right to Religion to undermine the intrinsic ways our societies and Western cultures function.

[@mahirabdulahi4131]

What is the point of liberalism if you don't want others to follow their own religion. Please don't act like the dictator that you are decrying.

[@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist]

​@@mahirabdulahi4131 The point of liberalism is to guard the inherent rights of _the individual_ to life, liberty (meaning protection of both physical property and physical personal boundaries), and the pursuit of property ('happiness'). Ideologies, faiths, and 'collectives' do not have rights. They have rights in so far as any individual who adheres to them has rights. There is no such thing as a 'right' to oppress others, meaning infringing on the rights mentioned above, without justification. If an ideology or system of government, or culture does not respect those rights, whatever other positive or negative quirks they may have, they are irrelevant. They have no right to exist as far as a liberal society is concerned. If following your ideology interferes with this way of life, it's you and your ideology that must change _as much as needed_ and adapt, not the other way around. All religions do this to varying degrees on a large scale. All except Islam. Why should Islam get special privileges if the others don't? The 'point' of all of this, and of adopting liberalism, is that it enables societies that are multiracial, multi-religious, and (within constraints) 'multicultural'. Societies like this enable peaceful coexistence, material wealth creation, material security and safety of all kinds, on scales that cannot be matched by other societies. You can't deny this, because every impoverished immigrant family, from ever corner of the globe, that risks their own lives and their children's lives to journey to the West, is a testament to the West's economic and social strength, and the rightness of its way of life. You can see this with Great Britain, and the United States, but similar kinds of societies existed even as far back as the Roman Empire. These societies had an unusual tolerance of coexistence with other races, faiths, and cultures. The Romans are savage slavers by today's standards, but were 'progressive' in many ways for their time. The condition for coexistence, was that each subset of their population, submitted to a bare minimum of shared core values, the essence of the law. In the West today, those are separation of church and state, and mutual respect for personal and property boundaries. Even someone destroying your most cherished beliefs with words, beliefs that you would die for, or conducting foreign policy in a way you don't like, or living a 'lifestyle' you don't like, does not give you license to break those rules. It's not dictatorship to have _rational standards._ If you can't live a civilized life under a welfare state, with equality under the law, the problem is you, and whatever values you hold. Change as much as you need to, or find a another place that you believe will give you a better life.

[@sayitasiseeit626]

The prime single purpose Islam openly states it has is that it's purpose is to be the one and only world religion.....surely that tells the whole story and illustrates how dangerous it is?

[@dellabrodsky4655]

This is a given. But what can Europe do about it NOW?

[@sayitasiseeit626]

@@dellabrodsky4655 there is a whole list of things Govts 'could' do but wont unless there is enough constant public outcry!

[@patnor7354]

@@dellabrodsky4655 Determined people can always make a difference. Just look at the founding fathers in 1776 or Sinn Fein.

[@dabrack9350]

Notice how the time for starting the tit-for-tat is always just after the Islamist has attacked, in this case Sept 2 or now Oct 8.

[@AlfalfaOmega-pq8ki]

As opposed to Roman Catholic or the early Christian church, who butchered and murdered millions in the name of God. How many conquests did the church/royalty carry out? I certainly don't need these 5 individuals telling me what to think about the world's current affairs. I can read and entertain ideas for myself.

[@jackwachtel-scott8000]

The short answer to the question is: Yes. If we let it Islam will destroy us. Islam is fundamentally about the exaltation of believers in Allah and the conversion or subjugation or eradication of non believers. It has no desire to co-exist with other faiths. And right now the West is allowing it to happen.

[@usmannazir-fb1vy]

christianity,judaism and hinduism are about the same. prove me wrong

[@einsteinwallah2]

@jackwachtel-scott8000 (Jack Wachtel-Scott) even within believers there are categories: serious believers who will "strive" (jihad) for allah who will die striving for allah and those who are jihad weary (quran 9:43-74) and then there are women who face double standards (4:43 versus 4:128) and opposition to scientific methods ... we need to understand these to remind ourselves in face of all the glib talk about false equivalences that muslims bandy about that accusation of genocide is worth wearing on our heads as crown of thorns rather than offer a weak resistance ... hitler was right in method wrong on people he was against ... our sensitivity to genocide has made us weaker because now there is clear case of its need but we have self-psyched ourselves into weakness and hypocrisy and prevarication

[@ChillAssTurtle]

@@usmannazir-fb1vy thats also a bad thing. Lol you weirdo.

[@usmannazir-fb1vy]

@@ChillAssTurtle but who will decide good and bad ?

[@ChillAssTurtle]

@@usmannazir-fb1vy human beings.. who else? Lol are you high

[@kenmccarthy5015]

I was attacked by a Muslem 5 Days after the attack in Jerusalem, When I bent over to retrieve my Phone that he had ripped out of my hand when I wanted to record his Psyco demeanor... He hit me in the head with a Baseball Bat; while I was bent over withy back to him... I never saw the attack coming! I spent the next MONTH in the Hospital!! The Police, (Westbrook, ME)Never bothered to Investigate The Deadly attack... Like I said, I was in the Hospital for a Full Month and the Westbrook, ME Police NEVER took the time to even get my side of the story!!! If we had been in Texas, the story would be Totally Different... But the soviet states of New England, Prefer a society of Victims... I now jave a 50/50 Chance of surviving 5 Years...

[@nimacyrus8444]

Oh im sorry to hear that. I used to mock muslims since i love in iran but somehow everyine turned to athiest these days unless the govermental child molesters. Please try to act as neutral as possbile.

[@livingbetter7363]

🙏

[@sqorpy]

Douglas Murray is my hero

[@ladibyrd]

I don't understand why Islam isn't banned everywhere because of the real dangers to innocent lives it outwardly creates, and is honest about.

[@theintrovertguy4337]

cry louder XD

[@liusaw]

because everyone thought those jihaddist would behave like normal humans, here in europe we are starting to limit their numbers

[@sdrc92126]

@@liusaw Islam is a deen (din). A socio-political government structure with it's own legal system. Not just a religion, the religion part is only one aspect

[@liusaw]

@@sdrc92126 ah yeah the political of marry and r@pe 9yo, alloha snackbar, off ppl for drawing pe-do phrophit. top notch politics, what makes you think i didn't know already. your kind riot, r@ped and destroy europe cities in order to make sharia hellhole in our countries despite running from a sharia hellhole

[@laith09]

@@liusaw I am a Muslim myself, our religion states that any Muslim given safe passage and being entrusted to live in a non-Muslim nation, he/she cannot inflict any kind of physical harm in any way whatsoever. It is prohibited and a sin (meaning haram) by what is western people are afraid of, sharia. Sadly, those jihadist have strayed from my religion’s values. I know what their extremist beliefs are, but I have no power to help subjugating this extremism. I am referencing the Ottoman Empire that had already fought off and defended the crowd from extremism discreetly and kept peace in my country for 5 centuries; look at the so-called self-proclaimed jihadists now, they kill the likes of me who try to oppose them and bring destruction to Syria and Iraq. After the British and France’s intentional division of us, we lost that protector and the British had a hand in putting one of those extremist groups in power that grew in influence and spread their ideas over the last century. What I would like to say is that those extremists do not represent my religion’s values.

[@user-hb8zp6xu1z]

on poll 60% muslims approve of hamas thats enough to say about their barbarity

[@Qthetar]

You don’t know history 😂. Hamas was created by Israel and US, last election was in 2006.

[@user-hb8zp6xu1z]

​@@Qthetar lol they funded the top brass not created hamas, and there is no more election because west bank gov know hamas is way more popular so pls miss me with your half baked pro-pa-gan-da

[@editfazekas3854]

Yet Muslims follow it like a herd. The end result is barbaric terrorism performed by more and more followers. Who cares about Stalins mother?@@Qthetar

[@syedabbas5822]

As if the Americans did not do the same to gain independence from the British

[@user-hb8zp6xu1z]

@@syedabbas5822yeah and like israel, america won your kind however jumped on israel and lost every single time despite multiple attempts for 2 states solution

[@Johlibaptist]

Reneging and rejecting a faith in Islam by a Muslim would be a death sentence in some Islamic communities. The communities are often a living hell, especially painful for women and "heretics".

[@fuuf7092]

the scaremongering is understandable. ISlam remains the fastest growing by way of reversions, and the more lies and hate you people spread, the stronger it gets. Truth is easily distinguished from falsehod, and thats why satan desperately tries with the media propoganda, the fake news, false flax, etc etc to demon ise Islam Satan already has the xtians and hidnus worshipping multiple Gods, all that remains is for the muslims, but we will hold tight to the religion of God, he has blessed us with believing in him, the one and only, the creator of all, and we will remain steadfast. Islam teaches there is no expulsion in religion, you to yours, us to ours on the other hand, the crusades, xtians basically kild anyone who didnt accept it. Hindus are currently doing this ethnic cleasing in india the jews were being slaughtered by xtians all around europe, and the only place they found peace, was under Islamic rule. Under islamic rule, christians, muslims and hindus all live together in peace. In fact, the oldest churches are found in muslim countries. Any sincere person can look through all the lies we are being told abut Islam, and see it for what it is. desperate blaspemers who work for satan,...,

[@j.h3442]

Wow.. how many muslim countries have you visited because last time I checked I could have whatever faith I wanted without being killed.

[@globalpropertyinvestment]

​@@j.h3442Nonsense. You obviously are either a shill for Islam or haven't been exposed to hardline Islamist nations.

[@Johlibaptist]

I have travelled widely and support the work of Prof. Amadi. Take a trip to Peshawar, Pakistan and check there. It’s a question of being a Muslim and committing apostasy.

[@tedmom3029]

Absolutely right.

[@jamescoburn6789]

After Beslan, I realised, nothing was off the table. Charlie Hebdo showed how low the bar is to upset them. A UK teacher and his family are in hiding, still, today, because of a cartoon.

[@dodgycat476]

So glad to find this channel- lots of new information for me but keen to learn more- keep up the good work panel and thank you.

[@rpjswish]

"Westerners are so protected that they don't know why the walls are there.." Jordan Peterson

[@stinglp1198]

Islamphobia is when moderates are scared to say, what the holy books of islams says about non-Muslims and how they should be treated. In india biographies by Muslim rulers proudly proclaime the genocide of hindus as quotas fulfilled. In 1990 Kashmir, about 400,000 Hindus were driven out nazi style. Muslims proudly claim their relationship with hindus as brothers, in reality no Muslim come out on the streets to protest for the Kashmir Hindus. They never say Hamas did wrong by attacking civilians. For the mullahs what hamas ,taliban, any Islamic terrorist organisation do is according to the rule book about how to treat non-Muslims.

[@knowledgeispower6726]

And Hindus are so 'enlightened' they have a caste system with the darkest skinned 'dalits' or 'untouchables' as the lowest caste.

[@stinglp1198]

@@knowledgeispower6726 i don't deny that caste don't exist. Within the society reforms are being brought in to change the attitude towards Dalits. Muslims institutions do not accept reservations for Dalits and harp about Dalits in TV debates. AND you never denied my comments about Muslims and typically always deflect.

[@koushikvemuri3130]

@@knowledgeispower6726So what’s the point. We’re talking about Islam here.

[@knowledgeispower6726]

@@koushikvemuri3130 The point was in response to the person talking about Muslim mistreatment of Hindu's which he says is based on Islam. I was simply pointing out there's a polarity with Hindus mistreatment of dalits/untouchables. Ignorance is ignorance - suggesting it is the preserve of any one people or religion is a nonsense!!! And for the most part people are not 'talking about Islam here' they are talking about what they THINK is Islam.

[@mrakisingh09]

@@knowledgeispower6726 You are telling me that caste system doesn't exist in Indian Muslims? Do some research before showing your ignorance. There are lower caste muslims are treated badly by upper caste muslims as well. No hindu will deny that caste system existed and we have worked towards removing the discrimination.

[@bngl.campssm2867]

Islam the route of all evil

[@heikejohannajahns3257]

Root, I guess? I would add some other suspects: unhinged capitalism, exaggerated feminism, the extreme hedonism/ dopaminisation of our world, decivilization via social media, the loss of decency (?) in all media, shortsighted and totalitarian left political views... all very damaging. We have to return to more order, humbleness, cohesion and transhedonistic purpose in a western way.

[@lewisstreet7266]

Maajid’s body language, throwing his hands/arms, about him almost putting his right hand over Sam’s face invading Sam Harris’ personal space was something which I wonder was perceived by someone else?

[@PeterQuentercrimsonbamboo]

Yes, one of the first things I immediately noticed, too -

[@aquariusthird]

They are co-authors & close friends

[@Vegetasinghyadav]

Those who say i respect all religions, definitely doesnt know what ISLAM thinks abt his or other religions. If u tell him the reality, he will realise the stupidity in his earlier statement

[@mejsjalv]

They don't know what they are saying. I can tolerate that people have the freedom to have whatever religion. That does not mean that I respect the doctrines of such religions. Especially those that read like straight out hate speech.

[@Vegetasinghyadav]

@@mejsjalv yes. A religion should not stand on the premise that "all others are false, thus we r true. Such ideology is inherently manufactured out of hate for others and thats why all over the world wherever there is a religious conflict, 99% of time ,its a M vs NON-M. When there is no NON-M. Its M vs M ,coz they practice this "i m right and u r wrong even among themselves" ,for example, if this is a religion of peace ,atleast two M should never fight but shia and sunnis are always ready to destroy each other. They keep repeating that its the most peaceful religion and they utter it million times, they whisper it into the ears of their young ones, they grow up actually believing that we r the most peaceful religion and we r true but other religions hate us and we r victims. The reality is absolutely different, there is only violence. Throughout islamic history, its violence in the name of allahhhh. Time and again. Every arab tribe was attacked and slaughtered for this and they dare say we r peacefull. Every terrorist come from this , every suicide bomber, every plane hi jack ever happened was done by the followers of this cult. And yet its a peaceful religion. 🤣,, They start doing propaganda since birth and brainwash their kids by spewing venom and hate for other religions. The only way they create loyal M is by abusing other religions. Theur prophet abused and used filthy language for the local deities of arabs at that time. M grow up disrespecting every religion except their own. And thats why it becomes very difficult for them to see that there is something wrong with their own cult. They hav mad man's confidence. Whenever u tell a M that this is wrong with ur cult. They wd never talk abt why its there or why its shouldn't be there, their justification starts from throwing insults at other religions. Thats why for a M ,its very important to know the religion of the person who is criticising i s l a m. If its a christian that exposes i s l a a m. The defend it by abusing Christianity. This cult is built on lies. Thats why they say, without lies , its dies

[@sananaamir1622]

You do know your Old Testament and the New Testament is quite barbaric too!! Go read your own book lots of things that you will find barbaric!!

[@Vegetasinghyadav]

@@sananaamir1622 bro the thing is , which i think u wd agree, Islam is a cult, it doesn't give people religious freedom. The fact that 99.9% acts of terroristss are devout true muslimss is enough for u to understand whats the problem. The moment u hear legit criticism, ur balls start hurting and u try to defend islamm by pointing fingers on others. Ur sense of right religion comes from abusing and comparing with other religions, u hav nothing of substance that came from god. Thats why muslims first reaction is to attack other religions.

[@banedon8087]

​@@sananaamir1622 You're making an assumption that the OP is Christian. Could very well be of none or be of another faith entirely. As for you point: It's well made and *most* people, including Christians, realise that only certain parts of relevant and of those who don't, most are not violent. That's not true of many fundamental Islamists.

[@charlesrae3793]

it is interesting to say the least that even Tibetan Buddhism, originally from India, sees Islam as a major threat. The Kalachakra tantra says that there will be an apocalyptic defeat of Islam by forces emanating from the land of Shambala. This arose because of the way that the Moguls had destroyed Buddhism in India.

[@prasammehta1546]

Even Jainism also sees it as threat. The most peaceful religion according to sam haris

[@layletts7888]

judging by whats happening, this prophecy rings true! scary.

[@_sayan_roy_]

@@layletts7888 I'm not sure about prophecy ringing true as this place is in India and I, for one, do not support subjugation of Muslims rather than the idea of illiberal Islamist ideals of the movement prophesed by many of them. As an Indian, I have said this often recently that Westerners should ignore India's problems in culture and value systems which are plentiful, and, just acceot that India is ahead in the game in recognizing the core issues of Islamism and send their leaders and people to Indian "centrist" people (probably not to Hindu Nationalistic far right) to learn about these issues and the entire intricacies of how and when they play into society which even people like Sam Harris probably doesn't know. Westerners do not have that many Islamists in their country compared to India still (also Indian Muslims are culturally better in my observations than most of those in the West of India but Islamists are same pretty much more or less), and you have more power in law and order, defense, geography, etc, I guess, so it should not be that big of an issue to identify the roots and tackle them. You also have a pretty solid enlightenment history which if applied through rationality, empathy and strength which I hope India does, can tackle the issue without actually subjugating Muslims and giving rise to your anti enlightment and anti empathy Far Right in your countries.

[@sbaumgartner9848]

@@_sayan_roy_ I don't know if you know of Abhijit Iyer Mitra. I've listened to him on Citti Media. Abhijit says the most extremist talk coming from Muslims is found in some men in India.

[@Jre.clips05]

Islam is the only tolerant religion show me a verse in quran where allah called a violence toward unbelieverr you can't because you ignorant old man with zero knowledge At your big age how can't you still not understand islam

[@sqorpy]

While there are peaceful Muslims, it is important to know that Islam as a religion is not inherently peaceful.

[@advancedomega]

“People like to say that the conflict is between good and evil. The real conflict is between truth and lies.” - Don Miguel Ruiz

[@ginawhiteley8834]

The conflict is between good and evil. Christians have built great societies in America 🇺🇸 and Europe. Islam is a builds inferior societies. The only thing binding Islamic countries is their hatred of the Jews. I'm American and lived and went to school with Jews and Christians ✝️. We all had great education. Islam will destroy Western cultures.

[@dfgggg89]

The answer is simple. If you fight it and do not let it take root. No. If you ignore it or pander to it. Yes.

[@jasminealixandranorth]

“The Strange Death of Europe” by Douglas Murray

[@mashenka6189]

He predicted it all..

[@paper_panda]

@@mashenka6189 He just listened to Muslims

[@rahulvats95]

I am an Indian and I have read it. Shame to any European who hasn't.

[@jumblestiltskin1365]

Murray has such a sharp sense of humour to match his wisdom.

[@janinemartens2908]

Thank you for this opportunity.

[@Dazbog373]

The problem is the Islamic world had a kind of enlightenment in the 9th century and it was downhill from there

[@Scalpaxos]

Not really, the enlightenment you're talking about was mainly about free thinkers, philosophers and scientists that were actually persecuted and for some of them killed, so it was despite Islam, not because of it. A good example of that would be Avicenna who was called "the imam of the atheists" by the religious scholars in those times, there's also an old saying in Arabic dating from those times that roughly translates to "philosophy is heresy"...

[@Dazbog373]

@@ScalpaxosWell every civilization has it's fundamentalist nut jobs (look at America today) but at least the Caliphate allowed for people like Al Hazen, Al Kindi, Avicenna, Averroes, Al Kwarizmi, etc. to exist, and even move among the elite. There was also a bit of a melting pot in places like Baghdad, Samarkand, Cordoba, etc. This simply isn't the case in the muslim world now. The only places people around the world congregate is perhaps in the gulf and that's only to wallow in surface level luxury afforded by the oil towelies. Nothing of any cultural depth going on there.

[@matthewburrow3089]

To echo Scalpaxos, books published by some Islamist organizations that are meant for a western audience will trumpet or claims these scholars as if they are proof of Islam having a history of being open-minded. Rather, the Islamic religious class had to be kept in check by pragmatic rulers interested in building working kingdoms and empires. Many of those scholars were persecuted otherwise, or tolerated within some intellectual circles where there ideas were not allowed to proliferate. Those who were more connected to the religious class generally had more freedom to spread ideas. The more rationalist schools of religious and ethical doctrines basically disappear with the advent of the Mongols. Al-Ghazali and Ibn Taymiyya have huge impacts during this period which reverberate to this day as far as developing more austere conceptions of a faith hostile to philosophy and naturalism.

[@zeikerd]

I don't need 51 minutes to just acknowledge this. The answer is yes.

[@al67849]

You're gonna surrender?

[@uwhat1]

Thank you Douglas Murray for actually telling the truth he would be a wonderful PM of the UK

[@georget.9496]

It's a real pleasure to sit back and listen to some intelligent people and their views about the world we live in. Thank you for sharing.

[@pmm7268]

The truth is that it is destructive. But, it is not polite to admit it. It needs courage and honesty to state the truth. Why so hesitation to accept the obvious?

[@madeovstarstuff]

The truth as in Zionism is a Cult hell bent on killing indigenous Semites but land grabbing Americans and Europeans 😂

[@glennstockley2197]

Judaism and Christianity are equally destructive.........

[@AstrobumTV]

The only that is destructive is ultra-nationalism. Not religion. IQ much?

[@tpsingh3370.]

If you want to understand what is your future, come to India. The moment Muslim population reach sizable level, they will demand a separate country for muslims and it will keep repeating.

[@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb]

You've Just described Africa and South Africa

[@redbeard0311]

Sam is the only one who realizes how dangerous islam is.

[@redbeard0311]

@Knucklehead4400 then you know nothing about Islam preaching death to unbelievers.

[@Green_MnM_Commander_of_Antifa]

​@redbeard0311 Christians do that to. Ever been to Florida?

[@serenapimentel7372]

​@Green_MnM_Commander_of_Antifa Lol missed the gatherings in Florida where they threw gays off rooftops and chanted Takfir over and over while refusing to let the women go to school.

[@Boethius411]

Majid knows

[@roeci6]

​@@Green_MnM_Commander_of_Antifawhy is that an argument in oposition? We know ,most people who say islam is bad say the same about all relligions .

[@MagnusGalactusOG]

Douglas Murray is a Gem of a human being.

[@Princetheone.]

Those who call themselves believer of Allah ( God ) and justify ambushing and slaughter civilians, are not even Barbarians , they are MONSTERS WITH NO HEART AND SOUL.

[@Sensorama2000]

I don't claim to believe or understand everything that's being discussed here but it is just strengthening to hear that there are people who fight for understanding the problem and try to fix it!

[@theforcedmemefilthypapist2892]

"Fixing the problem" requires Europeans to abandon their "euro-centric" liberal values and push these barbarians out of Europe; Which will never happen.

[@ararune3734]

You know how easy it is to fix the problem? Deport all of them, close the borders, certainly not give them welfare and make our people work for them to do nothing but destroy.

[@ligo369]

Whatever you understood is wrong ,you need to read quran by exmuslims and then watch the video again ..

[@meryqueens5916]

​@@ligo369are you an ex muslim?

[@melaniecampbell7055]

There is no fixing 'the problem' unless you mean getting rid of islam altogether. B/c islam's closed end cult structure that brainwashes followers with hate & violence is the problem.

[@maggiemoo8023]

Douglas Murray is the best

[@owensthilaire8189]

The Weinstein brothers are very sharp minds but Murray is possessed of an unmatched wit.

[@raemir]

​@@owensthilaire8189 I think the fact he embodies the archetypal sassy gay man helps as well.

[@Jacob-df5hr]

I have great respect for Mr. Nawaz and I hope with all my heart his project is met with success.

[@GurunathHari]

Brilliant - One of the highest wisdom per capita on stage in the internet.

[@wolfhard2420]

Read the History of Jihad by Robert Spencer and you know the answer. Maybe you know it already. Because you can. History shows the truth of Islam despite the sweet words that their representatives try to lullaby us with.

[@dellabrodsky4655]

What really, truly, UTTERLY makes me depressed, is that The Peaceful Majority Does not Matter video (kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYXdaGqJmdGIq6c start from 4.40) and all it comments was first published in 2014. And NOTHING has still been changed. It's like The Lord of the Rings. One needed to destroy the evil BACK THEN!

[@Neil-Daimond]

So glad this question is being asked. Biggest one out there.

[@JonnyBeoulve]

Agreed.

[@Green_MnM_Commander_of_Antifa]

Indeed. We have a struggle here in the west. You could say its my struggle. Or maybe just yours

[@gulrezkausar5422]

Why does the white so called Christians love to colonize??

[@CSUnger]

A panel of secularists including a majority of Secular Jews, citing “Enlightenment values”, perplexed and troubled at the advance of Islam into their midst and wondering what can be done about it, is a modern picture of what the term “hoisted on one’s own petard” means. You guys were at the forefront, historically, of the undermining and removal of the only antidote or preventative to this happening and the scrubbing of it from the national character, namely the formation of the national character that can only be achieved through the embrace of and adherence to Biblical virtues. You guys made your beds, now you will have to lie in them. The old saying holds true here: “If you will not be ruled by God, then, by God, you will be ruled”.

[@callesiren]

”Isis want a 2.5 percent reduction of VAT” 😂

[@mark6809mm]

If we don’t do something now, Yes!

[@marouan-sa86]

God Almighty said in the Qur’an: God refuses except to perfect His light, even if the disbelievers dislike it [At-Tawbah: 32]. The hadith of the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, said: God planted the earth for me, so I saw its easts and wests, and the kingdom of my nation will reach what he has planted for it. The first miracle is from the Qur’an and the second miracle is from the hadiths of the Prophet This is evidence from the Qur’an that it is the word of God, and the Hadith is evidence of the prophecy of Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace The spread of Islam was used as an excuse for those who rejected it Alhamdulillah

[@cisafrulli]

​@@marouan-sa86muslim npc copy pasting all over the comment section 😂

[@dellabrodsky4655]

And what CAN we do? Speciously, any sort of suggestion, thoroughly thought through, will make me happy

[@ehaaron]

@@dellabrodsky4655 outright banning this religion in our country. Passing a UN resolution that recognized Islam as a terrorist cult. Unrecognizing Islam as a legitimate religion in nation all around the world. Holding a referendum.

[@phchin6209]

When you study Islam in depth, the answer is affirmative. The atrocities Hamas commited are following the example of their prophet Mohammed, the warlord did to his captives as recorded in the Hadith.

[@The_Voice_of_Reason748]

Source?

[@youngmonkey2504]

@@The_Voice_of_Reason748the hadith, as he noted

[@Hanna95000]

Lies. Please share where you 'studiedi Islam in depth? Give one authentic Hadith. You lying fool.

[@rcmysm9123]

​@@youngmonkey2504 Source?

[@deborahnicholas6200]

Sahih Muslim (1:33) "...the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people [non Muslims] till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah." You've been lied to about 'militant or radical' Islam - it doesn't exist. If it's in the Quran or Sunnah of Mohammad it's NOT militant/radical - it's just Islam. And the following are all from the Quran: “Oh you who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you” (Q.9:123) “I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite above their necks and smite all their finger tips off.” (Q.8:12) “Whoso desires another religion than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him.” (Q.3:85) “Slay the idolaters wherever you find them.” (Q.9.5) “slay them wherever ye catch them.” (Q.2:191) “Humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax if they are Christians or Jews,” (Q.9:29) “Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers” (Q 3:54) “Muslims do not take Jews and Christians as your friends” (Q 5:51) “Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the last day, and fight people of the book.” (Q.9:29) “O people of the Book (Jews and Christians), do you find fault with us, except that we believe in Allah? Shall I inform you of him who is worse than this in retribution from Allah? Worse is he whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine and he who served idols. Such are in worse plight and far more astray from the straight path” (Q.5:59-60) So the attacks on Kafirs (non Muslims) will NEVER end until Islam reigns supreme.@@The_Voice_of_Reason748

[@kerenlifrak]

I respect and appreciate each one of you all individually so much, and as a panel. Could you please, please run for office? :-) We just need some common sense to make a comeback in order to save this civilization right now. Please and thank you for your courage and your stand.

[@dwightaaron3113]

The look on Sam’s face right at the beginning, thinking “that’s not a very good definition of a steel man argument”

[@ybrueckner5589]

I’m relieved to see a calm rational discussion about this. We can’t wait for it all to go off the rails

[@Boethius411]

Off the rails officially happened in… I don’t know, say, the first few remarks made in this comment thread. Lol. Apparently few of the people here grasp the concept that Maajid was steal manning the case against the west and doesn’t hold the views he espoused himself. Even though, he told them that point blank in simple terms and reminded them throughout the conversation.

[@matthewcurry3565]

Saying words does not stop a locomotive. Its a loco-motive for a reason.

[@susanthejew6351]

that's only when muslims join the conversation since acting civil isn't something they are used to

[@w.harrison7277]

@@matthewcurry3565 No one on this panel understands the causal computation of reality driving themselves or the Muslim world. These are delusional people.

[@jazumi7798]

Americans cannot comprehend this problem. The House of Peace and the House of War. Religious totalitarianism. There is no reasoning with it.

[@wldetetive]

The short answer is yes, the long answer is yes they will...

[@creelbait]

History has shown that a powerful citadel can only fall when a traitor inside opens a gate to the invaders.

[@andersandersen6295]

In this case we have a lot of traitors, unfortunatly people with power.

[@Warhawk76]

Quite educational and prophetic, especially with recent events....

[@Standoffmuffin]

You can not criticize Islam or its questionable profit who won't be named and may or may not have a child bride. Islamist youtubers are also very disingenuous they paint an ideal and peaceful rational islam when, in reality, only a few islamic countries are even remotely free.

[@BonusHole]

Just to be safe I'll say it on your behalf - piss pee upon him.

[@ayatjawed3135]

At the end of the day the last religious standing will be Islam since it is the fastest growing religion in the world. Thats the stats my friend.

[@IndigenouspersonofEurope-vo9lm]

@@ayatjawed3135 Matthew 7:13-14 NKJV

[@joshuabhujun3835]

Any other video, and any comment criticizing islam is systematically removed by youtube! I'm glad to see that we can express our frustration about this very dangerous and criminally motivated religion

[@anomietoponymie2140]

2018. Remembering. This panel (and notably Harris and Bret Weinstein sharing a stage 😲) is good to listen to principally for archaeological reasons, it was a step along the way, a moment so easy to forget. Today it provides clues to the question, "How did we get here?"

[@arunsar7893]

What a powerful panel!

[@philosophyfrog2653]

I think the best way to simplify Maajid’s statement is that he believes in order to convert religious cultures to enlightenment values we need to be consistent and avoid hypocrisy in political affairs. The issue with that statement is that it’s a one-way argument and therefore hypocrising in itself. Religious countries are filled with corruption, poverty and violence and supposedly that is despite being guided by the hand of “god”. Meanwhile every country on the planet constantly import technology and expertise that originated from the west in order to improve their life quality. This should not be a debate about foreign policy because it’s irrelevant and it shouldn’t be our goal to force the entire world to share our philosophy. This should be a debate about how we retain our own values and make sure we maintain being in the forefront of scientific discovery and development. How we can stop giving ground and immunity to criticizing iron-age philosophy that pollutes future generations minds from being contributing citizens. That is what really matters! We are not responible for the chaos and corruption around the globe and we need to remind ourselves of that. We need to once again grow a backbone and stand up for our own culture and values. Being empathetic is a good thing but not if it’s going to paralyze us.

[@mohamedali2858]

If you ever feel useless, remember it took 20 years, 3 trillion dollars taxpayers money & 4 US presidents to replace the Taliban with the Taliban & inject democracy into the afghan people.

[@Sam-tz8ou]

But the poverty was spread around the world by the colonial barbarians

[@philosophyfrog2653]

@@Sam-tz8ou I think you'll find that poverty was pretty much self-inflicted and still is. Curiosity, education and innovation is what made Europe rich and prosperous not natural resources. There's plenty of African countries swimming in natural resources to this day and still live in extreme poverty because of their own stupidity.

[@julesbrunton1728]

​@@Sam-tz8ouare you smoking crack?

[@TriadicSilver]

I think the discussion does miss a topic in neo-colonialism. Watch "smoking gun: us backed coup topped pakistan pm..." by geopolitical economy report. US overthrows Imran Khan because he wanted to buy cheap oil from Russia to help his own country. He also didnt want Pakistan to get involved in Ukraine conflict. However US decided that if this weak country wouldn't support the west they will overthrow him and put in place someone who will. That's what happened. This kind of western pressure reduces growth and advancement and increases crime. And thats what happened mass inflation because Pakistan cant buy oil from Russia and Pakistan is forced to help Ukraine per wishes of US. I assume most people just blame religion and not the geopolitics and destabilization that happens. Since then Pakistan shipped aid and weapons to Ukraine and in return received payment. What we call foreign aid in America but its really just forced bribery. The money mostly goes into the corrupt politicians who will do the US bidding or else their overthrown. Imran Khan was going to bring Pakistan to the modern world like China or India. But now its set back at least half a century as the problem is how we can push national interests and grow while keeping in line with the US. You say "We are not responsible for the chaos and corruption" and yet we have US bases all over the world and giving out "aid money" to every country. And yet we have a huge homeless crises. The US is literally the Empire from star wars. I replied to you mainly cause you had a logical comment and thought Id share my point of view.

[@boochparadise]

As a Christian, hearing SH talk about how it's only by adopting enlightenment values that Islam can critique the enlightenment was pretty rich.

[@danihart3515]

It's such a shame that Maajid is not on mainstream media anymore.

[@fraudebs8786]

The main stream media doesn't want him. He doesn't suit their narrative.

[@diaryofnricom163]

Where did he go ? And why ? Any idea ?

[@Dubcekification]

Thank you for uploading this!

[@MsDamosmum]

The general public have been severely gas-lit for a good few decades. Gas-lighting is very harmful to mental well-being

[@dellabrodsky4655]

I don't believe they were. It is woke that makes it impossible for regular people to express their truly thoughts

[@ChillAssTurtle]

Nothing destroys islam quite like islam

[@keksi6844]

You have NO CLUE what Islam teaches,if you did you would not be posting such nonsense.

[@adamcooper4188]

The Trump Cult is the most dangerous "religion" right now

[@razagamerofficial1859]

​@@keksi6844have you read the Quran or any book of hadees or fiq book what kind of nonsense is this we are living in 2023 Islam is fastest growing religion and you are worried about million of people 2biollion people who wanna blast other and gonna kill other you people are still in trap of Harris and dawkin what a shame

[@razagamerofficial1859]

​@@keksi6844prove to me your morality in first place prove to me why anything is wrong you zombies spend time to mock Islam but don't study it and you call yourself a free thinker prove me why scientism is true

[@handsomegrinch6279]

Nothing destroy secular westerners then themselves

[@geoffreyreeks2422]

We have lost our Christian values and so are failing everywhere and in every relationship. Regards, Geoff. Reeks

[@Jopacob]

Amazing that this took place in Aug 2018 in Sydney..... posted in Sept 2023.... and the topic so live today.

[@jayjaychadoy9226]

I was wondering why Sam was looking at Bret.

[@Dr-EV]

What a fantastic panel of speakers. Big fan of Douglas, Sam and Majid.

[@jimj2683]

Majid is a snake. He was a violent extremist before, but now he figured out that the pen is mightier than the sword. His goal has always been to spread islam. He is just doing it in a smarter way now. Islam is like a mind virus that hijacks the hosts brain and makes the person try to spread islam through the best means available.

[@galyauzunova7110]

Yes!!

[@jumblestiltskin1365]

I understand that people love Sam Harris, but I can't gel with him at all, I find him a terrible bore. I have tried to find this love for his ideas and fail. Murray speaks to my soul though through and through.

[@IsaacSMILE]

@@jumblestiltskin1365Sam’s good. He talks sense. But it’s ok you don’t like him.

[@stellaboulton9531]

And the Weinsteins.

[@avishevin1976]

If it doesn't, it won't be for lack of trying.

[@SirStevanco]

Spot on.

[@nolanscherzer1911]

This was a great discussion, but with these many great panelists, the conversation needs to be longer to accommodate all the ideas being batted around

[@24-7Guitars]

Thank you for posting this and your other excellent content. High-level Conversations are so necessary to develop your own ideas and to hear others. I wish people had more than a goldfish’s attention span. Anyway, I’m enjoying your posts very much. Thanks again.

[@Chris-fn4df]

No other force on the planet more dedicated to destroying humanity

[@prettymind1134]

it's quite the opposite

[@Chris-fn4df]

@@prettymind1134 All evidence to the contrary. Enjoy your caliphate.

[@sib1930]

​@@Chris-fn4dfLol what's your source

[@Chris-fn4df]

@@sib1930 Take your pick. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups

[@dustin3596]

@@sib1930 every single country with a muslim majority ends up, persecuting their religious minorities, treating their women as 2nd class citizens, destroying free speech, punishing blasphemers, killing apostates, killing gays, terrorism. Need I go on?

[@creatorsremose]

Maajid Nawaz reminds me of Russel Brand, he likes to repeat himself ad nauseum, saying the same thing with different words "I had a thought, a notion, a pondering, an idea of something to get across, so you'd understand, or comprehend, or realize, or believe..." He's exhausting and with all those words he's saying nothing.

[@iXpress]

yup

[@nergismeurer7070]

Oh thank you for putting my thoughts into words.

[@bilalgilani9513]

He knew you Athiests believe in nothing so he is telling you nothing take it and enjoy

[@BeridotSegas]

Einhundert prozent.. the guys a career ex islamist.. whatever that is.. bullshit muncher really.

[@BeridotSegas]

Einhundert prozent.. the guys a career ex islamist.. whatever that is.. bullshit muncher really.

[@sharpen-up]

This aged quite well, here we are in 2023

[@georgegrader9038]

August 12, 2018. Please put it in an obvious place in the description.

[@TaylorFalk21]

Islam needs to go

[@sdrc92126]

That was the purpose of the crusades. They were a response to over 400 Islamic caliphate attacks on Europe. The final expulsion was on September 11, 1683 Battle of Vienna. But once land is owned by Muslim, it is the duty of all Muslims to fight (struggle(jihad)) to reclaim it.

[@whiteashpiperwhiteashpiper5447]

Muslims were the original crusaders. How do you think it spread. Conquest and forced conversion

[@dead2me82]

Like most “intellectuals”, they pontificate for an hour and never really discuss “Will Islam destroy us”. Rather it became a defense of enlightenment values.

[@dellabrodsky4655]

Oh, it will. And thus the pontification. Because there is nothing anyone can do to prevent it from happening.

[@captainprivate3768]

@@dellabrodsky4655It's not a foregone conclusion at all. Anyway, we have plenty of potential for climate disaster as well as wars with powerful nations (where Islam isn't involved). Just throw it on the pile, mate. Got a nice little stack of things that could destroy what we're doing going already.

[@ranilodicen4460]

a big YES!

[@dongoul]

I'm sick of people bashing Christianity, Christianity is all about peace and treating everyone with love

[@MtHelicon2077]

No... it isn't.

[@MtHelicon2077]

Christianity is the same as Islam in the respect that it is nothing but garbage made up of lies and bulshit from people who had no knowledge of the natural world

[@theriddlerUSA]

Excellent video. I like the respect the panel shows to each other. And don't interrupt.

[@Green_MnM_Commander_of_Antifa]

The west will fall. I will be its anti deliverer. Darth Brandon chose me. I will win

[@Big_DT]

It wasn't a debate, just a panel discussion, and they were all pretty much in agreement, so there's that.

[@sharmilakalain7549]

Very fascinating conversation. The star being Sam Harris. Disengenuous Maajid, in his emotional excerpt and outburst on Afghan children, reveals his affinity to a theology which no amount of intellectualising and book writing can erase. Islam is a real threat not only to all us infidels but also to any form of rational thinking. Also, there is no such thing as Islamic extremism as every muslim holds the puerile views as endorsed by their scripture.

[@ehaaron]

It becomes amply clear from the Ayats that a believer is one who believes in Allah, the Angels, the prophets, the Quran and the Last Judgement Day: a disbeliever is one who has not accepted these tenets of Islam. Allah’s guidance, love, help, mercy, pardon, favor, reward, heaven, victory in battles are all bestowed upon the believers. The Quranic position is that to be a believer is good, right, just, true virtuous, righteous, kind, humble, blessed, humanitarians and so on; to be a disbeliever is the very antithesis of all this. Since disbelief itself is the worst sin, it is Allah’s desire, goal and scheme to completely eradicate it. It is Allah’s declaration that disbelief is the greatest disobedience, ingrateness, rebellion, ignorance, injustice, evil, sin, wrong and crime. In Ayat 34:31, those who do not have faith in the Quran and earlier Books of Allah are called ‘wrong/doers/unjust’; in Ayats 34:32 and 41:41;45:31 those who do not accept the Prophet’s guidance are termed as ‘guilty’ and in 35:36 the disbelievers are described as ‘ungrateful/ingrate’. The Quran, therefore, declares that disbelievers are enemies of Allah and hence also of righteousness. However much the disbelievers dislike, protest against or oppose Islam, it has been declared that Allah will cause Islam to prevail over all other faiths in the world. The means and ways planned by Allah are various depending upon circumstances and responses of the disbelievers. In this context, the Quran advises the believers; “If they have the upper hand of you, they will be your foes, and will stretch out their hands and their tongues toward you with evil (intent) and they long for you to disbelieve.” (60:2) Obviously, it became necessary to ensure that the disbelievers do not gain an upper hand. Therefore, steps like warning the disbelievers, instilling in their minds the fear of calamities, urging the disbelievers to unite in a brotherhood, striving against the disbelievers, helping and making the believers victorious are all part of this divine scheme. Although Allah is the only God for the whole mankind He does not like an individual or a society to behave as they please. While everybody has freedom to behave as he likes, the outcome of this freedom is not exempt from His punishment. If it goes against Allah’s Will, he becomes liable for His punishment. Allah insists on specific principles, opinions, beliefs, teachings and conduct. To accept Allah or ‘to believe in Allah’, is to accept all these specifics. Faith in Allah is equated with faith in truth, good deed, morality, justice, kindness, humanity and such other virtues. To achieve the eligibility and capacity of being virtuous, it is necessary, as a pre-condition, to have the faith in Allah. In others words, one may become so virtuous but only after embracing Islam. The Quran proclaims repeatedly that: “Allah rewards those who believe and do good (deeds).” Here the word ‘and’ (and not or) has been used, and in view of the Quranic stand, it is correct. The Ayats quoted above also make it clear that although Allah, the Quran and the Prophet are different terms, they are so intimately entwined with each other in respect of their meaning, purport, essence and teaching that they cannot be separated from each other. The commands of Allah and of the Prophet are not different as both are of equal weight as per the Quran. Hence, in effect, the teaching of all these three is but one and the same; in practice rejection or violation of one is the same as that of all the three. For this reason, Jews and Christians, in spite of their faith in Allah alone, were viewed as disbelievers. In this regard, M. Mawdudi states: “They might well be believers in the existence of God. But their concept of God is so erroneous that their belief is no better than disbelief.” Thus, not the term ‘Allah’ by itself but what he commands and teaches is really important. Because some teachings of the ‘God’ of the Jews and the Christians are different from that of Allah, the former is not regarded as ‘Allah’ of the Quran. The same can be said of the gods of polytheists/idolaters. In short, to believe in Allah, one has to believe in both the Prophet Muhammad and the Quran. Also it is not for the believer to make distinction between Allah and His Prophets. As the Jews believed in some part of the Quran, it is said to them: “Do you believe in a part of the Scripture and disbelieve in other? What then is the reward of those who do so except ignominy in the life of the world, and on the day of Resurrection they will be consigned to the most grievous doom.’ (2:85) So the believer must believe in every Surah, Ayat, word and letter of the Quran as the revelation of Allah. The Prophet has said: “Controverting about the Quran is disbelief.” (Hadis: D. 4586) This is why Muslim society does not acknowledge a born but innovative and reformist Muslim as a Muslim. A disbeliever or Kafir is not simply ‘atheist’ having no belief in ‘God’. After all, there will be hardly any religion in the world which does not prescribe a belief in the God in one form or another. An atheist is obviously a Kafir. But anyone having faith in any god but Allah is also a Kafir. Moreover, if one believes in Allah in tandem with any other god or idol is still is Kafir. As for the saying of the Jews and the Christians that Allah had a son, the Quran says; “Assuredly you utter a disastrous thing, whereby the heavens are almost torn and the earth is split asunder and the mountains fall in ruins, that you ascribe unto the Beneficent a son.” (19:89-91) Thus the ‘God’, that is to be considered is the One revealed in the Quran and not any other god or Lord. The Quran categorically considers the latter as a false God. Many do not realize this and mistakenly (or intentionally) equate Kafir with ‘atheist’. In short, the Quran has specified and declared Which God is true and which is false; that decision is not left to the individual’s choice. A few examples may be cited to illustrate how incorrect meanings are derived. Dr. Rafiq Zakaria explains why ‘Hindus’ are not Kafirs: “It (i.e. the word Kafir) is derived from the word Kufr which literally means ‘to hide’ or ‘cover up’. And Kafir means one who hides or covers up the supremacy of God. How can it then apply to those Hindus who believe in God and accept His Oneness and supremacy?” His conclusion is that those non-Muslims who believe in One God, by whatever name, are not Kafirs. Abdul Kadar Mukadam also says that the word Kafir was employed to describe the Arab idolaters and is not applicable to (idol-worshipping) Hindus in India. . in arriving at this conclusion none of these scholars takes cognizance of the mandatory belief in the Quran and the Prophet. Taking the cue from such misinterpretations of Islamic scholars, even Hindu scholars have been toeing a similar line. For example, Kanayalal Talreja says: “Kafir means denial or disbelief. Kafir means one who denies or disbelieves in religion. What does religion mean? Religion means truth, morality, ethics and humanity. Religion signifies love-pure selfless love for all creatures of the cosmos. A Kafir is he, who lacks a loving heart, who torments and tortures others either on account of his selfish motive or his erroneous religious doctrines based on blind faith and bigotry… He, who does not realize affliction and agony of others as his own, is an atheist. An infidel is he, who sucks the blood of his fellow-beings, and exploits their ignorance and illiteracy, gullibility and poverty.” Needless to state, this is poetic fancy running wild, not scholarship founded on a proper study of the Quran. M. Maududi in his popular book, of which over a million copies were sold, makes Islam’s stand explicit on the issue of Kufr and Kafir. Every man, he says, is born as a ‘Muslim’. All creatures including the sun, the moon, the earth, stones, trees, animals, men are born Muslims. ‘Muslim’ means one who obeys the laws of God (i.e. Allah). Every man is free to choose Islam or Kufr. (84-14 to 23) About the consequence of choosing Kufr, he further says: “Kufr is a form of ignorance, or rather, it is ignorance. What ignorance can be greater than to be ignorant of God…? Not only that, Kufr is tyranny, the worst of all tyrannies… Anyone who… resorts to Kufr perpetrates the greatest injustice… Kufr is not mere tyranny; it is rebellion, ingratitude and infidelity… So what can be greater betrayal, ingratitude, rebellion and treason than Kufr…? (By this) man treads the path of ruin and disgrace… Such a rebel will never find the thread of real knowledge and vision… Such a man’s intellect and reason always run astray… Such a man will meet failures in all the affairs of his life… (In Hereafter) he will be held guilty for the crimes (of Kufr) he committed against his nature… These are evils and disadvantages of Kufr.” (84-20 to 22) (similarly: - 518,9, Hadis Nos. 1-4) Since the advent of Muhammad, anyone who rejects his Message is a Kafir.” In the ‘Quran Majid’ the commentator has given one meaning of ‘Kafir’ as: “One who denies Islam.” The same interpretation may be found in the ‘Dawatul-Quran’. The Quran clearly states: “Therefore invoke not with Allah another god, lest you be one of the doomed.” The ‘Dawatul’ Quran’ comments on this Ayat: “Polytheism is a sin that cannot be excused.” A great and renowned theologian, Alama Mufti Muhammad Kifayatullah, has authoritatively held that “Those who do not believe in Allah, are called Kafirs… He who refuses to believe Muhammad to be the Prophet of Allah, is a Kafir.” He also expounds that ‘faith in the Prophet’ means accepting him as the Prophet of Allah and obeying all his commandments.

[@marial8415]

I realised recently after watching maajid on the PBD podcast that he really is just another deceitful, snake in the grass muslim trying to appear to be on the side of human rights, free speech etc. but all the while plotting for the demise of the West so he and his fellow child bride lovers can take over.

[@ericdelf]

Bullshit.@@ehaaron

[@Boethius411]

You don’t grasp the concept of steel manning a position you don’t hold yourself I see.

[@ChrisTowlson]

I suggest you rewatch the video!

[@Adam-cr8qe]

Im an athiest, I was talking to my boss who is a muslim. I said I dont subscribe to any religion, he then made the point about the hypocricy of the west, but I replied "I dont subscribe to that either". It creates a false dichotomy that people either subscribe to western values, or islam. Atheism, free thought, liberalism, is not defined by the wrongs of western politicians. Dont forget much of the americas and europe is christian, and ofcourse there are athiests too who will be party to some of the atrocities commited in the middle east. But its a mistake to generalise and say that religion is the only true way to live because "just look at the west". Well im an athiest and like most atheists I do not condone, or endorse, the bad political decisions that are out of my hands. To assume this shows a biased approach when assessing whether or not religion or atheism is the right way for society. Maybe there are some athiests who you didnt meet

[@Elyor5400]

Atheism is not problem, the idea of liberalism you(as well as most atheists) are advocating for is the problem. I suggest you to read the history of colonialism.

[@bencorley8687]

Good panel. Well done.

[@jilliemak2024]

This was excellent!! More please!

[@MW92.]

Hopefully this gets shared worldwide. It might wake people up to see how evil Islam is at its core

[@markpriore3151]

"Load-bearing fictions" Eric really knocks it out of the park with his turn of phrase sometimes

[@Gillfuddy]

Can you explain what it means for thickos like me?

[@markpriore3151]

@@Gillfuddy let me go back and watch for thebcontext because from what I can remember, I might take one of two explanations

[@GeoffRobinson-en5xw]

Majid Nawaz doing the steelman was intensely moving. Made me pause. How can this be answered? I think the mere fact that we can have this debate and recognize our failings is an endorsement of enlightenment values. We can know we are not perfect and are capable of catastrophic mistakes, but enlightenment helps us see mistakes, learn, and improve. Utopia can not be achieved but incremental improvement is possible through the application of enlightenment values.

[@shaktizoom5236]

Where is the full video? It just abruptly ended. And now Q and A session?

[@saitejg7342]

Simple read the Qur'an. You will understand what islam is

[@whiteashpiperwhiteashpiper5447]

Yeah. A cancerous fable of fear and death. Basically written for momo's

[@deniseg-hill1730]

The best English translation costs £83

[@whiteashpiperwhiteashpiper5447]

@@deniseg-hill1730 Charmin is cheaper

[@andersandersen6295]

Read anything from it to a muslim, and he/she will claim that its a bad translation.@@deniseg-hill1730

[@sebastianalberty715]

They removed the roots of the enlightenment and pretend that the tree will flourish. Christianity is the roots of the enlightenment whether you like it or not. I think without Christianity the enlightenment is screwed.

[@jj-yi1ne]

christianity is the savagery that wants to destroy enlightenment

[@diaryofnricom163]

May I cite some "enlightenment" verses in Deuteronomy and Exodus?

[@sebastianalberty715]

@@diaryofnricom163 Christians don’t follow the covenant of Moises (aka the mosaic law). Jesus gave a new law or a new convenant. You clearly don’t know what you are taking about. But naturalism has no credibility to say that any thing is wrong. You can’t get oughts from its. Matter can’t tell me what is right or wrong. And neither can my mind if naturalism is true my minds only function is survival and not truth.

[@cymbman]

So philosphers that predate Christianity... such as Socrates... they weren't enlightened??

[@zaddyjacquescormery6613]

The ultimate problem with the debate between Islamic countries and Western countries is that both sides are right and both sides are wrong. Neither is willing to accept culpability for their many, many evil deeds, so there’s no clear path to a metaphorical and literal ceasefire, even though both sides know and admit to their group’s nearly infinite blood-drenched faults. Luckily, this tension will *not* be what destroys humanity. That distinction belongs solely to AI. (see: Eliezer Yudkowsky)

[@victoriagates4017]

AI is just another excuse for greedy billionaires Lack of wisdom. I look around and I can see that people are really Shallow as long as they have a good job, nice house And drive a nice car. The generations who lived through hardship and wars are Dying out. Therefore the millennials have no idea they are Being sucked in by social media and tik tok. Then something upsets the apple cart and their Life is in chaos. At this point is when they start Seeking the truth. Laugh if you like but the 'THE HUNGER GAMES' Trilogy of books doesn't seem so fictional to me. Humans are capable of great good and great evil.. To this I agree.

[@speteydog2260]

The Islamic guy has his arms crossed all the time. That’s a defensive posture. It’s not outgoing …. Thank you DM

[@jaialaiwarrior]

31:41 for the win! "The moral frivolity of deciding to forget the gulag in order to win a point against Piers fricking Morgan is a real disgrace." Love it!

[@temporary4384]

They're gonna give it a go

[@jucxox]

Give it go!

[@romanp5268]

They are doing so since 1st of them arrived to Europe. It needs to end before it's too late

[@missionoutdoorsITM]

You have choice A or B! You can't negotiate a way around it, you either choose to be eliminated or eliminate those who choose to eliminate you! It doesn't take a genius to figure this out.