The Business of Peace: Neoliberalism in Palestine

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“The Business of Peace: Neoliberalism in Palestine” is a single issue video exploring the effects of neoliberal policy in the peace process of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. In this collaborative project with @beacebrocess, we explore the ways in which capitalism has contributed to creating an effective resolution, and also the ways in which it hasn’t. We mainly discuss monetary theory, the legacy of Salam Fayyad and the city of Rawabi.
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Introduction (0:00)
I. The State and the Market (4:59)
II. Capitalism as the Argument for Peace (Pt.1) (8:24)
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II. Capitalism as the Argument for Peace (Pt.2) (13:40)
III. Fayyadism (17:21)
IV. Rawabi (21:57)
V. Critiques of Rawabi (26:13)
Conclusion (34:28)
Credits (38:30)
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[@RavignonCh]

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[@ordinal2361]

Socialism is when no iphone, the less iphone a nation has, the most socialism it is, and communism is when no iphone. -Carl Mark.

[@robert9016]

“Socialism is when Huawei phone.” -John Lenin

[@LeeGoGators]

“Juche is when reject samsung for self” - Kim kardashian

[@ExtraInExile]

Thanks, I can once again inject a 40 minute geopolitics video into my bloodstream

[@nobodysanything2330]

💉🩸🌍

[@RavignonCh]

Just doing the job ^^

[@MediumDSpeaks]

If you listen to it at the gym you get a higher percentage of geopolitics per liter in your blood!

[@RavignonCh]

@@MediumDSpeaks real

[@MediumDSpeaks]

@@RavignonCh a-t-il d'autres vidéos longues pour regarder pendant que je fasse ercisex?

[@Kraut_the_Parrot]

Ohhhh nooooooooo.... I will miss the premier :(

[@velozio]

Wow a video on Israel-Palestine AND capitalism that isn’t hyper partisan and/or cancer. I wish it gains more views. Great job Rav and Beace!

[@Kalahridudex]

Well, makes an honest attempt at being so.

[@yuval1716]

There is no time limit in the definition of colonialism so the British will always be considered colonialists in Australia. And the Palestinians are no exception, the Arabs conquered Palestine by force in the seventh century and brought a different language, a different culture and a different genetics. The origin of Arab genetics, Arab culture, the Arabic language and the religion of Islam is in the Arabian Peninsula, therefore the Palestinians are not indigenous by definition. On the other hand, the Jews are considered native to the Levant (Palestine) according to the definition because the Hebrew language, the Jewish religion, and the genetic origin of 40% Jews in Israel originated in the Levant (Palestine). They did not come from outside, they were created in the Levant (Palestine). Hebrew is the only Canaanite language that survived. Most of the Jews in Israel Today they are not Europeans. Although historically European Jews founded Israel and were the majority in its early days. In addition, Jews lived in Palestine as a minority but continuously before the Arabs before Islam and Christianity. Jews are considered indigenous by definition because the origin of the Hebrew language, culture and religion of the Jews originates in the Levant. And the fact that the Arabs were the majority does not make them natives, they will always be colonialists like the British in Australia. The Palestinians are trying to change the defense of colonialism so that because it happened a long time ago they have become indigenous. There is no time limit to colonialism and they are not considered indigenous by definition.

[@adebowalekonstantinov404]

@@yuval1716 ehh, wrong

[@aymanhasan-2991]

@@yuval1716 The Arabs didn’t settle in Palestine lying Zionist, Palestinians are Arabized Levantines. Zionist stop Hasbara Lying 250 Million North Africans speak Arabic & Are Muslims, did they come from the Arabian peninsula ? Palestinians are Arabized levantines just like Syrians & Lebanese. HASBARA ZIONIST 🤥🤥

[@aymanhasan-2991]

@@yuval1716 Ok so you are an “Act IL” bot, Got it.

[@n8zog584]

I really like the point you make that "injustices are built into the system". However injustice can exist in almost any system. It only takes one person with a lot of power to highlight this fact

[@Wulgreath]

The thought I have regarding people who favor automatic/market solutions, is that they want a process that's inhuman. Humans make mistakes, largely because of moral hangups. A mechanism is inhuman, therefore is amoral, and cannot make morally incorrect decisions. That does however forbid it from making morally correct decisions, or taking accountability for mistakes. Don't hate the player, hate the game etc.

[@jamesfranklin458]

the market is run by humans

[@PorcBun]

Excited to see you tackle another nuanced topic Ravi!

[@Watched-2]

Kraut knows we only like our history in almost an hour long format 😂😂

[@calighis]

It's important to understand that the question of recognition is NOT the central question to Palestinian economic success and the idea that normalizing trade relationships with other countries is the key to unlocking some hidden level of flourishing otherwise denied to them, while salient, doesn't constitute the real axis of Palestinian suppression that you think it does. The Arab League crafted the terms and conditions for Palestinian aid through establishing UNWRA with their voter block in the UN. UNWRA is the refugee program that cares only for Palestinians. It is distinct from the UNHCR, and operates under it's own umbrella. That said, more money has been spent on Palestinian refugees than the entire Marshall Plan to rebuild all of Europe after World War 2. For all the money they've received, a Palestinian state, had that been the desired result, could have been built twice over for every country in Europe. The international aid effort, structured by "white man's burden" Europe, and the Arab League (and yes, to a lesser degree, the occupation) is not to build out a Palestinian state but retain the indefinite status of refugee, systematically deny self determination, and preclude for Palestinian's a life defined by despair, hopelessness, extremism wherein dreams of savage vengeance fantasy ("from the river to the sea . . .")and martyrdom, can flourish and drive the culture, instead of independence, legitimization and principled self determination. Muslim dictators benefit immensely from the miasma of hate that grows in the place of Palestinian self determination, including and especially the kleptocrats that rule over Gaza and the PA, who have no financial incentive to ever actually want independence. The perpetuation of the Palestinian indetermination serves an important political purpose throughout the region. The resulting conflicts between Palestinians and Israel reinforce the antisemitic conspiratorial rhetoric Muslim dictators rely on who decry the bogus Zionist threat to their security and freely imprison opposition on the basis of being "Zionist collaborators" How critical is this function? In a 2020 study Khomeini and his leadership averaged about 50% in the number of speeches in which Zionists were mentioned as a political opposition. They need this imaginary boogeyman to retain legitimacy and without the conflict, what would there be to remind the Muslim street of their need for powerful dictators to safeguard their civilization from this all powerful threat. Its theater writ large and the aid payments are the tickets for the show and the show is just a Passion play where Palestinians are freely substituted for Jesus and the Jews are cast as their tormentors but meantime, it's their own Arab and Muslim bretheren who crafted the terms of Palestinian intdetermination because not a drop of that UNWRA goes to building out infrastructure, or the institutions of that safeguard a stable state. In fact UNWRA takes the place of those institutions assuring that Palestinians never get to practice really self determination or independence of any kind. Soul crushing vehicle for terminal welfare, is all it is.

[@kazekamiha]

Yeeoch... To be a catspaw is not a fun life.

[@giffica]

Bingo, videos like this love to mention palestinians that lost their home, but fail to mention the millions of Sephardi jews that also lost their homes. This equivalism is inane, and show this guy has no idea what he is talking about. Outsiders need to stay the f out of our land. They have no business telling us how to manage ourselves and our land.

[@oihanlarranegi472]

Interesting, could you cite your sources? i'd like to look a bit more into it.

[@fortgaming9058]

The inhabited section of the west bank is actually not a desert, it's mostly borderline semi-arid. However in the Jordan Valley with places like Jericho and Ein Geddy there is an actual desert climate however these places are home to only a small share of the west bank popultion.

[@aura_6913]

Thanks to both you and Atlas for making this video. I'll admit that I'm terribly uninformed about the situation in Israel-Palestine, so stuff like this is great to at least improve things info wise.

[@Vanalovan]

This was a pretty bad video if you’re using it as a primer. It’s very narrowly focused and employing a paradigm that isn’t all that helpful but a less common approach. It mostly comes across as an interesting intellectual exercise but that’s about it. I’d stick to stuff like the videos they showed in a list at the beginning if context is an issue.

[@Myanmartiger921]

@@Vanalovan agree most of world is far worse than Israel

[@aura_6913]

@@Vanalovan That's fair enough. It comes down more to "that's good food for thought" rather than providing the groundwork of knowledge. Definitely something to look into

[@marvin2678]

@@Vanalovan you could have stopped after the first sentence, sorry not sorry

[@victormihaylov3905]

i just started your video, but the "lower resolution versions of their thoughts" is a perfect way to explain so much, thx

[@stekra3159]

I am very much dissatisfied with our democracy. It is clear that our democracy doesn't work how they are portrayed axiomatically. So has real democracy ever existed?

[@hectorvega621]

Not here in the US. We just vote for 2 Factions of the Same Party. We know they work for the Wealthy.

[@dronite0019]

It does when the majority of the population is free and equal. However that doesn’t last forever, and once it stops being commonplace then democracy devolves into arbitrary factions that please their financial backers (the elites). This usually results in a populist uprising installing a tyrant that may or may not make the situation worse.

[@SolarFlareAmerica]

@@hectorvega621 gee I wonder if a famous socialist ever wrote about that 🤔 😂 Oh wait: "The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them." - Julius Nyerere

[@hectorvega621]

@Bogda Nov Well we won't be able to elect a different Democrat in the Primary as both the media and the Establishment Party have decided to choose for us their candidate. So yeah it's not fully democratic but it is something. Arguably something that will likely end our democracy.

[@bloodydoll5897]

i won't lie my first instinct when seeing this thumbnail was "sonic forces video"

[@nicktheheretic3015]

Lol, why?

[@french_bread4961]

Thank you AtlasVPN for making this awesome video possible.

[@jonathanvillanueva9206]

If u want to make this a series, maybe u can talk about how American nation building policy in Afghanistan was literally throwing money at the problems.

[@mollyblake9160]

We always make the mistake of thinking eventually someone within the country will step up and be the leader.

[@CivilWarWeekByWeek]

Trying to confine one of the most complicated topics to one solution like the economy no wonder it failed

[@jacksonsutrick1361]

I would never expect an OMORI reference in a geopolitics video. Great video as always.

[@debries1553]

"There's a finite set of rules that govern everything" - I think Gödel would like to have a word.

[@thelawfus]

“The reach of the state [is what allows] a market to exist.” I feel you are attempting to state an axiom without proving it’s foundation. One could just as easily say the reach of a market is a function of its utility and trustworthiness.

[@erseshe]

No matter how effective a market is, if borders are closed or if infrastructure is missing or if bandits are abound, then you cannot make use of the market.

[@devinmes1868]

Your other videos were really top notch, it was a nice surprise to find such a great history KZbinr out of nowhere. I really look forward to this.

[@andresmaynez3060]

I I thought you were going to make a video of the Cristero war??? Kraut announced it since the part 3 video about Mexico. When will it come out??

[@RavignonCh]

Dale tiempo al tiempo -w-

[@andresmaynez3060]

@@RavignonCh Esta bien 😩😩

[@santoast24]

Between you and Kraut, the past few weeks have been quite good for content

[@SargentoBonzo]

What are your opinions on the proposals of form a Palestine-Israeli Confederation (somtimes saying that the idea is following a model similar to Belgium) as a possible solution to the conflic?

[@leylacones7501]

That would only be possible if the people wanted it. The Jews would never give away an ounce of their sovereignty after 2000 years as second-class citizens in other countries, and the Palestinians would never accept a state which they would have to share with the Jews. So, no.

[@altGoolam]

Israel defines itself as a Jewish Democracy. It is basically a fascist state that must maintain its demographic dynamic. Israel will not allow for Jews to live in a state with polish equality with Palestinians. Because that would allow Palestinian refugees the same right to legislate and vote, as Jews are given a right to settle.

[@leylacones7501]

@@altGoolam Of course the Jews want to be the majority in Israel, in the same way that I as a Swede wouldn’t want to become a minority in my own country. That doesn’t make us fascist.

[@Nick-di9dv]

Done twice, twice failed, thanks but no

[@Nick-di9dv]

@@altGoolam and many palestians leader say that they want to hunt jews all over the world. Also one of the earlist leaders of the palestine movment during the WW2 became of the closest assosiate with hitler his name is Mohammed Amin al-Husseini. Read about him. Talking about fasist state when in palestine glorefy muder, saying all israels show die , teaching 6 years old to shoot with ak and televis propoganda 24/7.

[@PedroRodrigues-je6xp]

Very interesting video. As a student of economics, I find this a nice refresher

[@irrutias7035]

As a Chilean I can say that Neoliberalism was a really bad idea that somehow prospered for a couple years, only to collapse in fantastic fashion after a short period of time. In the case of my country, there is a HUGE problem with water ownership across the country, leaving towns without means of subsistence while huge vineyards and avocado farms continue to grow 5 km from there. This and multiple other things caused social unrest that lasts to this day, all the while lots of people still support the authoritarian regime where this system was put into place, putting the blame on people because "they are communist" or "too lazy to work" all the while the economic inequality increases

[@Testimony_Of_JTF]

Privatizing the water supply is an incredbly stupid idea. I'm very pro market economics and stuff but that's just stupid what the hell

[@SolarFlareAmerica]

It's much the same here in Canada.

[@madocchampionmacpherson2832]

My 2 favourite Countryball youtubers are Kraut and Ravignon. So I love it when them team up.

[@AndrewSmith-kw8lo]

In American context, this reminds me of Booker T Washington in early 20th century America. Washington was an amazing self-made Black man in a time where Black people in Jim Crow South had no autonomy. He was popular amongst white Americans and was able to found his own technical university. He believed that through economic prosperity and uplift that Black Americans could move towards civil rights, but unfortunately as was proven in his time was that without political rights wealth doesn't matter. There was the infamous 1906 Atlanta Race Riot and many others in America that only came to prove that above all else you need political autonomy and control first and foremost.

[@RavignonCh]

This is actually a perfect example.

[@adamdobrer8262]

"Without political rights, wealth doesn't matter" may as well be the one sentence summary of the argument for Zionism. Thousands of years of Jewish history show us that only a Jewish state can guarantee Jewish political rights.

[@AndrewSmith-kw8lo]

@@adamdobrer8262 I don’t disagree. While I’m just an outsider who is sometimes critical of Israel there’s a divide in what we believe and ideally want vs the reality. Israels real politik is to ensure safety and security and to be fair I think a lot of western critics miss what is really the reality on the ground and how most countries at the fundamental core act with self interest.

[@KamepinUA]

Really good breakdown here, well done

[@bulletkin1899]

The thing I don't understand is: I live in Austria and compared to the US we have a much more regulated economy and the best times we had were when a left government was elected (like the electrification of the railways, or building hydro electric plants along the Danube). Hell not too long ago ÖMV was broken up, because it was too big.

[@ExtraInExile]

I have a huge amount of respect for beace for talking about Israel in a very neutral way, good luck on Quebec!

[@derpasaurus_rex6919]

It wasn’t exactly neutral, he called Amnesty International a reputable organisation, despite evidence to the contrary, some of which doesn’t relate to the I/P conflict.

[@yaelthesnail]

"Neutral" lol Do you think Amnesty is reputable?

[@ShnoogleMan]

Beace is incredible at remaining objective. Obviously he does so from a more Palestinian perspective which isn’t entirely free of biases (obviously an Israeli and Palestinian will focus on slightly different things in their analysis) but overall he’s one of the best there is for this type of content.

[@wasneeplus]

I disagree that it was neutral. Calling settlements on the west bank an occupation and the treatment of Palestinians apartheid is a gross oversimplification at best, and hateful lies at worst.

[@mariomouse8265]

@@wasneeplus well he IS of Palestinian origin and his family’s village (in West Bank?) got destroyed recently if I remember correctly I don’t believe it’s fair or reasonable to expect anybody from the Levant to have an “objective” opinion on that conflict, especially when they have family in the region. That’s true for Palestine as well as Israel.

[@lukasrombach1781]

Hey I really enjoined your Video on Québec and was amazed by the story of that one french administrator that joined the natives. Do you have a name or a article about him ? Sounds like a very inspiring story.

[@RavignonCh]

There were quite many people who did this, but I think you may mean the Count of Frontenac

[@xianxiaemperor1438]

I look forward to this! Have a good day or night :)

[@mookosh]

This is a bit naive. Capitalism can do a lot but it can't make something from nothing. Israel has made peace with most of the entire arab world because Israelis love to do business. If "business" was the magic ingredient, then the conflict wouldn't exist. The problem is geography and religion. Palestine is the only country I am aware of which is two discrete land masses sandwiching a completely different nation and state (with whom there is conflict). The only other "sandwich" country I can think of is USA with respect to its Alaskan territory and Canada. Which brings us to the next geography issue. The entire land mass in dispute is the size of new Hampshire. You mention it yourself, there's no space. The entire land in dispute is small and more than half of it is uninhabitable. So every land concession is a matter of life and death for each nation. The second issue is religion. Jerusalem is an anathema to peace. Two different nations and states cannot have the same religious and political capitals as one another. You can't have the dome of the rock and the Temple of Solomon. So in order for capitalism to make peace, it will need to somehow fix the borders and ideally, expand the borders of both Israel and Palestine so that they're side by side and both have space to grow. Then capitalism will need to somehow make Palestinians and Israelis stop caring about their respective religious priorities, rendering the sectarian barriers irrelevant. Capitalism can do a lot of things, but these sorts of political and sectarian disputes tend to entrench themselves until some top down shock like regime change, war, or international intervention forces movement.

[@TheUSgoverment]

**puts on gas mask** Time for comments

[@magnumopus1628]

There are so many things I'd like to mention here, but the most absurd one yet is this 22:10 _"Bashar Al-Masri is a palestinian entrepreneur"._ Mmmh, how curious, his very surname literally means "the Egyptian". Funny enough, Arafat was also Egyptian, just like 50% of Gazans. _"He came to palestine"_ Yeah, so he's an Egyptian immigrant. Why is it that every random Arab that goes to live in that part of the Levant automatically becomes a "palestinian"?? The very next thing that is worth mentioning is that Rawabi (the city that this Egyptian guy built) is almost completely empty. If I remember correctly it could house something like 20.000 people but only about 10 apartments have people living in it. It's one of those arab mega-projects that leads nowhere. Another point here is that you say that israel has a right to exist, but then you way you agree with the accusations of "apartheid". The biggest talking point for this outlandish accusing is the wall that israel built.... to stop daily terrorist attacks that often targeted busses filled with kids. It is estimated that this wall reduced terrorist attacks by 90%. Also, they *literally* had to change the definition of "apartheid" in order to accuse israel of this delusional leftist talking point. Just like in the US they changed the definition of "racism" in accordance with leftist ideologies. People that lived in the actual apartheid laughed at these accusations. So, if building a wall to protect myself from people with murderous intentions is "apartheid" are banks "apartheid", are schools "apartheid", are villas "apartheid" etc. And in israel there A LOT of citizens with Arab background. They to to school with jews, they marry with jews, they become Olympian athletes, lawyers, doctors, singers, entrepreneurs, soldiers, policemen, politicians etc. Even the richest banker in Israel is an arab. So where the heck is this "apartheid"? *In Gaza.* There are literally zero jews there. In Arab villages such as Nablus (which is actually a 3.000 years old Jewish city called Shechem) in which jews who end up there due to a car gps navigator end up being attacked. There literally are signs that say that Jews aren't allowed in these places. _____________________________________ You talked about the "occupation" but as everyone else you didn't mention how it came into existence only as a direct consequence of continuous wars being waged. If you kill my wife and hide inside a building, and the police comes in to arrest you, are they trespassing into that building or is their entrance legitimized by the situation you created? And the palestinians don't want their own state next to israel. They want a state instead of Israel. They have been offered their own state multiple times and since the first time, in 1948, they kept refusing and responding by killing jews. _____________________________________ You tried to distance yourself from "leftist talking points" yet you literally repeated almost every leftist talking point. This can be seen in the very fact that you think this issue to be so much important.... just like the corrupted UN that that held more meetings and has made more accusations against israel than any other country on earth... COMBINED! Yes, you heard that right. For them Israel is worse than Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and its existence is somehow considered to be more problematic than the Ethipian genocides, the war in Yemen, the treatment of women, gays and workers in arab countries and everything else in the world. Even if you look the number of casualties this is ridiculous. Just the war in Yemen (between 400.000 people died) or the genocide in Ethiopia (up to 500.000 deaths) created hundreds of times more casualties than the israeli palestine conflict (about 20.000). Too bad that the 20.000 is something that happened in almost 100 years, not like the other conflicts that only took a couple of years to reach those numbers. Yet, israel is treated to be waaay worse than everything else combined. The hypocrisy.

[@syedrehanalikhan7677]

He was born in Palestine and his family has lived in Palestine for generations

[@dronite0019]

The future of Palestine is pretty bleak but not because of economics. Their leader Mahmoud Abbas is going to die soon and he doesn’t have a clear successor to lead his Fatah party, which is weaker than Hamas and is pretty much propped up by Israel at this point to keep order in area A of the west bank. The power vacuum in the party after his death will lead to a civil war for political control and Hamas will be left standing as the sole strong Palestinian faction. Once this happens, there won’t be a reason for Israel to negotiate with any Palestinian faction anymore as Fatah will be dead and Hamas gaining power in the west bank would be unacceptable. After this Israel can destroy Hamas and occupy Gaza without running the risk of Palestinians unifying behind a different faction. With Hamas gone, the next step is for Israel to prop up different gangsters as puppets to control the major Palestinian cities while taking control of everything else. Palestine would continue as Emirates of Ramallah, Jenin, and so forth, but not as a nation.

[@noahschwartz1222]

I dont think israel will occupy Gaza, the Israeli military is heavily tied up in the West Bank as it is. The settlements and occupation are an increasing financial drain on the country. However, Israel cannot leave all of the west bank like gaza because they have commitment to Jordan to protect the Jordanian border as the Jordanians, after the PLO tried to violently overthrow the Jordanian government to use the country as a base to retake Greater Palestine, do not want a border with any palestinian faction if they are not demilitarized. Imo, the best case scenario in a situation in which PLO control in Area A and B doesnt stabilize under new leadership after Abbas' death and Hamas and other Islamist Supemecist groups take over, which is likely because as beacebrocess said in one of his videos, "If you promise to liberate Palestine [PLO] and you don't liberate Palestine, Palestinians aren't going to be happy with you", is that Israel fully withdraws from Gaza (no work visas or controlling pop registry) and withdraws from Area A and B and Annexes parts of Area C Settlements while removing all other settlements that are a drain on the economy and military resources and make the rest of area C a no go military zone with controlled acess routes to Jordan only. Meaning that Israel can deal with Hamas controlled Palestine as an external threat while reducing the humanitarian crisis that will inevitably unfold (as the palestinian economy and Israeli economy are very closely connected and Hamas has shown very little interest in governance and diverting ngo funding to anything orher than its military or its wealthy party leadership (PLO at least does attempt to have some governance, although they are all very corrupt)) instead of an internal ocupation and boost their own economy by developing Israel proper as well as invest more in Iron Dome for the inevitable Qassam rocket attacks on central and north Israel. Problem is this all ignores Israel own racists and warmongers, the RZ and Kahanists, so even this imagined scenario in which a 2SS de facto happens and all parties (Israel, Hamas, Jordan) are forced by Israeli policy to end the occupation wthout compromising Israeli security to agree to a defacto 2SS status quo probably couldnt be fully realized.

[@kazekamiha]

@@noahschwartz1222 There can never b a simple solution to a complicated problem. The main issue is how do you ensure the security of everyone when getting one side to the table is an issue?

[@schneejacques3502]

Also no one cares for Palestinian now. Arab gulf are too busy fighting iran. Iran is too busy fighting arabs.

[@kazekamiha]

@@schneejacques3502 And Iran is busy fighting itself.

[@InfamousAustinT0]

Can't wait!

[@mickmickymick6927]

Would be interesting a video on the idea that liberalising an economy will ead to liberalising the politics of a country, which people hoped would happen in China and Russia but didn't. There was some qualified success in the eastern EU, only because the EU made access to the market dependent on political reform.

[@kazekamiha]

My opinion had always been the Palestinian government is the worst actor in the situation; attempting a war as soon as Israel formed, refuse to sign any treaty with Israel, provoking Israel and housing terrorists to poke at Israel. Their citizens are the ones who suffer the most from it. That's not to say Israel is squeaky clean in this situation and bears no responsibility for the problem (They do, doubly so over the settlement issue), but I imagine people who find their cities targeted by rockets on a semi-regular basis starts to lose their patience with their neighbors.

[@hectorvega621]

I 100% disagree with the blame. It's sounds much like the excuse for why Indigenous Americans are forced in reservations. This legitimately ignores the actual history of the area. Of how Israel was before WW2 was in truth a Colonial endeavor by Zionist. One that wouldn't get steam until the end of WW2 seeing such a disgusting opportunity. It's pretty absurd to ask a group of People who aren't involved in said conflict to give up some of their land for another group of people who weren't in those lands for many generations let alone are less similar to the ones in that land due to European ancestry. Of course the Government of Palestine would go against it, because what have they done to deserve this. Makes more sense if it was on Germany, but they didn't. Instead a Group of people are forced to give up their land for arbitrary reasons, only to lose a war, or slowly, but surely be chipped away to the point that the Palestinians Government has no power at all (reason for Hamas). Don't even get me started on the fact that Israel created Hamas when Palestine was gaining a movement of coalition support for its struggle against a Colonial Apartheid nation.

[@darksider2417]

@@hectorvega621 1. The so called colony started in the ottoman empire by the approval of the sultan who granted the jews land for money. There was no government in Palestine the ottomans ruled it directly . 2. The Arabs agreed to a Jewish country formally when King Faisal signed the wiezmann-faisal agreement in 1919 following the collapse of ottoman rule which guaranteed a Jewish nation in Palestine. 3. Pre ww2 the British limited arrival of Jews to Israel even when the Germans started to prosecute Jews to force them to leave the country which continued even at the peak of the final solution. Not to mention there is plenty of evidence of collaboration between the Arabs and nazis especially al Hosseini and Hitler. 4. If their problem was with Jews of European ancestry why did the Muslim world(with Morocco as an exception) initiated brutal and oppressive policies towards the Jews of MENA that forced most of them to leave their home countries on such a scale that today there are more Jews from MENA ancestry than European ones. 5. Hamas started as a charity organization which later after getting money from the west and Israel turned to terrorism. They turned to terrorism after the PLO agreed to the Oslo accords which they thought was a betrayal.

[@kazekamiha]

@@ferdinanddaratenas3447 This is what I mean. Palestinian leadership has been offered peace time and time again and reject it each time. Given how established Israel is now it's safe to say they're not going away anytime soon.

[@ferdinanddaratenas3447]

Not to mention that Palestinians have rejected time and again reasonable peace offers to have a 'two states for two peoples' solution, more recently Camp David II, Clinton Parameters in December 2000, Taba in January 2001 and Annapolis 2007/8, mainly because they insist on the 1948 refuges settling in Israel instead of a future Palestinian state.

[@kazekamiha]

@@thotslayer9914 Care to elaborate?

[@talesofunity]

4:22 love that quote, so very much

[@NotQuiteDaniel]

Tanks to atlas vpn for sponsoring the video with several crusader tanks

[@montymontague8526]

Ok the video was great but I was also surprised that this was one of the best credit sections I have ever seen.

[@SomeWiseGuy.]

Haha simply giving the private sector money and hope it magically solves whatever problem you can't, has become such a common trick amongst politicians they have forgotten it almost never works and even if it does it tends to create new problems of its own...

[@shycracker]

That first line immediately draw my attention to fully focus on the rest of the video 😂

[@jonyprepperisrael60]

great video, tho I do have some critisizm: 1. you should have mentioned the second intifada and how it had caused strains on Israeli willingless to cooperate with the Palestinians, or when it didn't like with the agreements with Olmert 2. you could have mentioned history of the economics of Palestine to give better context, like the investments in Gaza made by Israel during its military occupation in the 70s. 3. while I do believe you attempted to be impartial and objective when it comes to making the video, there is a bit of bias against Israel, at least more than it should have been. there were things here that could either been worded better or could have been given context or at the very least explained. like for instance, you briefly mentioned the law of return and how it exculded Palestinian refugees, and while yes it is a bad thing, you made it appear as if it was made exclusivly out of malice and racism with that Family guy refrence, and not also because of other considerations like security risks and logistical capability. law of return is one small thing but throughout the video there was a bit of generalizations, like the settlers thing, which yes there are settlers who are racists and are cunts for building outposts on private palestinian proparty and such, there are Israeli settlemets in WB (mainly old settlements) that have local cooperation and bussiness with local Palestinians. my point is not everything is black and white, especially when talking about Israeli-Palestinian conflict. oh and I loved that refrence at 35:50

[@Yonatan...]

דייייי תמצא חייםםם מספיק כבר להתווכח עם ערבים ברדיט ויוטיוב

[@Hayanomie]

Very good video. Beace the man!

[@SomasAcademy]

Dare I attempt to translate the hieroglyphs shown in the Egypt section, or should I simply assume they're gibberish?

[@RavignonCh]

I took them from an actual wall LOL you might read something in them but they'll be unrelated most likely XD

[@rugvedkulkarni1593]

Are there any updates on the three part Quebec series?

[@dhruvsand]

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[@jacobsomebody9266]

Thank you AtlasVPN!

[@walli6388]

10:53 Japan also mostly consists of uninhabited mountains

[@zwiebelface185]

The phrase "real communism has never been tried" is heavily associated with anti communists for me. I've heard them use this phrase like a hundret times, never from an actual marxist.

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

No I heard it used by comminunst all the time. Especially if you for example say check China and soviets! And they would say not real communism!

[@zwiebelface185]

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl are you familiar with the word "never" ?

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

@@zwiebelface185 yeah you see thry don't real bring up examples of real communism

[@zwiebelface185]

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Untrue in my experience. They usually romantisize something like the paris commune or the CNT/FAI, most commonly the USSR.

[@krushnaji4940]

Till that my Marxist teacher who said that thing you weak

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

Thanks for the amazing political video vtuber man.

[@Hihelloto]

There is no or never was "the state of palestine"

[@afaxmachine5045]

There is.

[@afaxmachine5045]

@אחריי incorrect.

[@enderguardian7443]

that is if course if you ignore the state of palestine which has been here for a very long time not as a concept or historical nation but as a continuous nation with it’s own culture people and identity that is under a modern day apartheid that the USA allows out of fear of losing an ally in the middle east

[@The88Cheat]

Kraut sent me here and I'm glad he did.

[@Jrookus]

Good video, brought awareness to something I didn’t know a lot about. Also: Thank you atlas VPN

[@elijahrobinson4931]

I wouldn't exactly call those ideas "randian", Daron Acemoglu says the foremost role a state can play in ending a cycle of poverty is to provide fair enforcement of contract law, property rights, and invest in the public. Randian would be the belief that the self-interest supersedes the greater social benefits of these policies, rather than the belief that these institutions promote a greater social benefit. The latter is incredibly common among conservative, social-democratic, and liberal politicians who long predate Rand.

[@HOOOPER]

The second guy needs a better mic, couldn't continue after the half way point

[@johnalexander651]

The one issue I had with this video is the inability to define what the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is. I understand why there's an urge to avoid it but to understand why market systems in the West Bank failed to bring about peace one has to look at why political forces have caused Israelis and Palestinians to continuously enter a low level conflict of land with soft support from each of their states. In the West Bank, Israel and the Palestinian Authority are not at war their people are. It is an unfinished peace process that continues this rounds of violent incidents that comes from both sides. It is the fault of both parties equally for failing to mediate a solution and for continuing to throw flames onto this low level conflict through land seizers, attacks on civilians, and the Palestinian Authority subsidy of martyrs that perpetuates the conflict and does not allow the market to thrive. Also to be mentioned are the racialization and conflict of both sides against each other that the solution of improving the quality of life for many Israeli settlers and Palestinians is secondary to their survival and to obtain better concessions in the final peace process by delaying it and committing to continue the conflict rather than finding a solution first. Israel illegally occupying the West Bank and dominating is too simple of an outlook on the geopolitical situation ongoing in the West Bank, one must also take into account their real security needs and the role settlements genuinely play into their security. Until Israel and the Palestinian Authority finish the third part of the Oslo Accords the security concerns of both states should be taken into account to discuss how this conflict is currently being waged.

[@kazekamiha]

I have to agree on that. While I put more blame on Palestine the fact stands both sides bear their share of the conflict being what it is. That said it's such a hot button issue that daring to have an opinion will rile people up. At the end of the day the situation is an absolute quagmire in which both sides needs to come to the table and agree to even basic things; but peace between both sides can only come when both sides are willing to try for it.

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

@@kazekamiha sorry..... What are jews doing in palestinian coloniaizing land? By what right did Britain have that made it able to give these lands to jews?

[@kazekamiha]

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl They were there during the days of the Ottoman Empire, with more moving in after the British defeated them. As for the second question; you'd have ask them.

[@LeeLe412]

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Jews have a consistent presence in the land for thousands of years, like Peki'in, while Arabs arrived during the 7th century Arab Muslim Conquest's (aka colonization). Jews are indigenous and indigenous people can't colonize a land they never left.

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

@@LeeLe412 more than 90 percent of jews that colonized palastin last ancestor that livied in the land would have been more than a 1000 years ago. And palastins are arabized arabs. Not ethnic arabs

[@superpacocaalado7215]

Quoted Keynes as a good example to counter Mises, oooooh boy. Print the picture of a steak to end your hunger.

[@henriquescherer3508]

Came here because kraut said the video was going to be interesting. He didn't lie

[@PakBallandSami]

wake up baby ravignon just put a video on youtube

[@bobbyfactor1890]

Seemed interesting but I couldn’t stand the audio quality. Hope you can afford a setup to match your analytical quality soon.

[@stekra3159]

Man is this situation complicated. I feal so bad for everyone living there. It sucks.

[@TheCureEnjoyer]

Ah yes, apartheid is sooo complicated...

[@hadighrifat]

@Bogda Nov Controlling every aspect of people's lives through military subjugation without them having a say on it seem like very good evidence to me

[@hadighrifat]

@Bogda Nov Israeli army constantly enters area A and B you imb@cile, and besides area A and B are literal islands that don't connect, you really think you're going to throw you intellectual dishonest argument out here and not get called on it? embarrassing from you, how is it that Hasbara trolls gets worst with time I don't understand.

[@itaycohen145]

9:56 idk where u got that fact from but the population of the Palestinians only grew from The 60s

[@sookendestroy1]

So what you're saying is they need a common enemy, that the holy and historic sites of the region should be made neutral ground and an international movement established at a centralized site along the border.

[@afaqiskenderova9029]

Can someone explain the part with azerbaijani flag?

[@RavignonCh]

The Lorenz curve is a tool we use to model income inequality! Namely, how many households own how much of a society's wealth. It is also closely related to the Kuznets curve, another line that suggests that a wealthier a society gets, the less inequality there is overall. Azerbaijan is a good example of a society that breaks these conventions, because it's relatively equal for an oil economy. However, most people aren't especially rich. We are not sure why this is. A point against is that there might be cultural or societal issues that make the rich unlikely to answer pollsters, but as of right now the fact is that if you were to model the countries of the world along these models, Azerbaijan would be an outlier.

[@stekra3159]

As anarchist I would like your opinon. Wether a zero state solution would work for the people of israel and palestine?

[@Ayzahar]

Not for the Israelis, no. The fundamental reason for Israel to even exist is to provide a Sanctuary to the Jews who have experienced a millennia long campaign of oppression culminating in an industrial scale mass extermination. As long as there is a real existential threat to Jews, world wide, there will always be a need for a strong Jewish state to exist.

[@alonso1244]

No it would end in a civil war

[@RavignonCh]

I do not think it can be an option as of right now. Israel is a nuclear power -- so realistically the power vaccuum would befall on whoever got that force amplifier first in the event of a revolution. I also doubt that a peaceful path to anarchism might be possible in a society that is as highly militarised. Given the geopolitics of the region it is very unlikely such an experiment would be left to its means in isolation. Without American support, I have no doubts that either Syria or Egypt, under their current governments, would take advantage of the situation. So, no. Abolishing the state is probably not going to be the endgame for Palestinian liberation, but in principle a just society in the region should be somewhat confederated and decentralised.

[@petersmythe6462]

Regarding racist employers, what if the population the racist employer is hiring from are racist? Or what if race correlates very strongly (due to racism) with something relevant to business (like, say, literacy level, ability to get security clearance, university education, etc). It is very possible for an employer to see two populations, look at the means and standard deviations of relevant qualifications, and be perfectly economically rational in deciding it isn't worth looking at any resume with the wrong surname. Once this occurs it will tend to keep relevant qualifications out of the hands of the oppressed race, making a feedback loop that self-stabilizes institutional racism and make it indistinguishable from colorblind hiring. For example, in a country where literate jobs are all reserved for one group, it may be very difficult to find even one literate person of a different group. A single employer switching to colorblind hiring practices will have no effect on this system and will likely not affect their hiring decisions at all, except by having to waste time judging a lot of unsuitable applicants. To be sure, this system will eventually be disrupted by internal or external disturbances. But it can be surprisingly resilient. If you're in Saudi Arabia, you can probably safely assume that almost no women have relevant experience driving a semi-truck. So spending resources judging them on their merits probably is more expensive than just assuming they don't. There is a certain regime in which discrimination is strictly easier for a business than nondiscrimination. There is also the potential that some, or even most, of the existing customers, laborers, managers, shareholders, etc, will see anything besides maximum discrimination as disloyalty by the company's executive. The math CAN support discrimination in highly oppressive systems just because the privelaged group is so separated from the rest of society, but it can also support discrimination in less oppressive systems in order to appeal to bigoted employees, customers, shareholders, regulators, etc. Indeed, this is why there are some companies that try to appeal to bigotry even when they don't have to. Bigots are a marketing demographic.

[@gatuarhin]

The globalisation idea is referring to how trade decreases the chance of war and conflict. If two countries hate each other but are also dependent on each other’s resources, then they are less likely to send missiles that will disrupt trade and production since it would hurt themselves as well. If Palestine became wealthier and thus became more important for the Israeli economy, then Israel would be disincentivised from acting in a way that would hurt the Palestinians’ ability to do business. Additionally, wealthier citizens feel less desperation and thus would have less reason to be extremists, so increased prosperity and reduced crime would cause more peace on the individual level as well. This won’t stop conflict, but it will increase the barriers to starting conflict. The point isn’t to settle the ideological differences between Israelis and Palestinians (that’s what the marketplace of ideas is for), the point is to reduce the problems caused by the ideological differences. 5:09 Markets weren’t created by the state, they arise when people can store wealth. After the agricultural revolution and sedentary living, people were able to make far more food than they needed themselves. This also meant that some people could survive while not making any food, as long as the people with excess food could give them some. They got this food not only by doing services but also by bartering for goods. Hunter gatherers and even some intelligent animals usually just use services to get excess goods, because they didn’t have a place to store physical goods and defend it from theft. In these bartering economies, people started running into a problem called the double coincidence of wants. This is when person A wants to barter a good from person B (wool for example), but person B doesn’t want the things that person A has (hammers for example). Person A would then have to find out what person B wants (bread for example) and then find a person C with bread that also wants to barter for some hammers. If he finds person C but he doesn’t want hammers, then he has to find out what person C wants and find a person D who has that and also wants hammers. Person A could go down a long chain of people before finally getting the wool. To get around this, people like person A would barter for and stock up on a type of good that a lot of other people liked, so that they wouldn’t have to be worried about people not wanting their original goods. This good would usually have a broad appeal to everyone despite their different professions and be easy to store, stuff like gold or shells etc. This became the currency of the society. States would only later develop and start taxing this. Later on, states would start issuing their own currencies in order to ‘print’ money without having to sell stuff in return.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Indeed

[@Phazonis]

Markets are at least maintained by the state. Besides the problem of property needing an authority that recognises it and maintains it, even your "proto market" needs a state authority to function. For example before trade can happen all parties need the security that they can actually trade and their trading goods can not be simply stolen or their lives threatened. This again needs some state authority that grants that security.

[@ihitonmilfs]

I didn't recognize it was your channel because you changed your pfp bring back the anime boy

[@RavignonCh]

LOL maybe

[@alphonseb.931]

Hey, I see you collaborated with @beasebrocess, do you intend on collaborating with an Israeli creator in the future?

[@RavignonCh]

I'd love to!

[@jacey320]

Maybe try talking with Sam Aronow

[@derpasaurus_rex6919]

I don't think one would accept, on account of Ravignon calling Israel an apartheid state and the sort

[@zurielsss]

Love your work man 😊

[@BrandonSchleifer]

You asked if real capitalism has ever been tried. Black markets are real capitalism. The only way to stop real capitalism is with regulated market capitalism, but if you over regulate, people will simply turn to the black market.

[@konradvonschnitzeldorf6506]

Even then. The black Market also used infrastructure that States build. Infrastructure without States would probably be wastly different.

[@phinhager6509]

Black markets exist within social, communal, and criminal political pressures.

[@L154N4LG4IB]

The black market only exists because of the state tho

[@glendamendoza6601]

@@L154N4LG4IB It can work in small communities or are they direct commerce that it isn't technically 'illegal'?

[@L154N4LG4IB]

@@glendamendoza6601 that’s not a black market then

[@Brodi514]

@15:35 I live in a small town of Québec called Magog. I was working night shift in a retirement home where 3/4 of the staff were Guatemalans, Colombians and from the Congo. Any bigots saying that immigrants are stealing jobs or having a nefarious impact on the economy have no actual grasp on the situation.

[@walli6388]

15:10 That is actually debatable. WW2 really let the US jump over the great depression. Same goes for the "Korean war boom". In times of economic turmoil big armament expenditures create a lot of demand for highly labour intensive well paying jobs.

[@kevinaguilar7541]

In my opinion it's more due to ww2 making the other dominant countries deprived of economy and resources while the U.S remain unaffected because the axis couldn't reach to destroy American infrastructure.

[@walli6388]

@@kevinaguilar7541 well, the same happened in Germany before the war

[@kevinaguilar7541]

@@walli6388 indeed

[@pauls6425]

@@walli6388 that is incorrect. German economy was nearly overheating prior to the war. The German government can only buy so much tanks and planes before the whole thing falls apart. Ironically, it was war that saved the economy, by engaging in plunder economy. Those spent tanks were a means to extract wealth from Germany's neighbours.

[@walli6388]

@@pauls6425 Have you ever heard the tale about Walther funk? He could magic money into being. Well, they didn't do to well before economically and the whole plan was to go to war, so they build a lot of that stuff. It kinda acts as a temporary restart for the economy and then you just need to get a good transition out of it to a civilian one.

[@swedishancap3672]

Nothing which you said is false, which is why we have changed our strategy. Now we are using crypto and black markets instead.

[@kame-rb9np]

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[@adebowalekonstantinov404]

Excellent video! My only gripe is with the summary of the conflict, where you do some both-sidism, and skipping essential aspects that would illustrate the political and economic situation better (like British rule and how Israel found power), whilst mentioning irrelevant aspects like saying the conflict goes back millennia and the Negev being desolate.

[@anikol8019]

how is the conflict going back a millennia not relevant?? It’s the entire reason Israel exists where it does.

[@adebowalekonstantinov404]

@@anikol8019 I'm sorry, I didn't mean irrelevant, I meant absolutely wrong

[@briannawaldorf8485]

@@anikol8019 how was it going back millennia? It is clearly a century long conflict started due to British colonialism promising two different oppressed people the same land and not caring the consequences

[@yoavsnake]

Supposedly palestinians copy Israeli architecture in other ways - palestinians who work in construction in israel copy the designs (Usually tama 38) to make their own homes. Can't find the article which corroborates this tho

[@arafat2924]

don't take this the wrong way but have you thought about using some form of text-to-speech? I find your accent VERY difficult to understand tbh

[@da_revo5747]

What you've explained is literally the opposite of praxeology

[@namenloss730]

the workforce diversity thing is often misconstrued. As you say, what it means is "by not discriminating against you don't limit your talent pool and can hire the best suited". What it means now for a lot of progressive is: "It's like pokemon, gotta have one of each"

[@reyluna0]

🇵🇷 nice video! Thnx for adding my country in it

[@RavignonCh]

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[@reyluna0]

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[@purpleblastoise]

@@reyluna0 ¡Viva la Revolución y el Che! ¡Viva el socialismo! ¡Yo soy Fidel! 🇨🇺☭

[@KOTYAR1]

Thank you Atlas VPN

[@highwind6325]

Def invest in a better mic/audio setup-- could really elevate this video.

[@TheAlexwilhelm]

When you expand pool of human capital yes you get more options. Sad that too often now we limit access to this overall pool of talent for forced diversity. 16:00

[@philippinemapper2342]

26:13 “Rawabi vs racist NIMBY’s”

[@Kalahridudex]

The PA regularly harrases Palestinian small business owners who have signs in Hebrew. From a liberal capitalist perspective (the correct perspective), that tells you all you need to know about who the good guy in this conflict is.

[@sb-fz1kl]

stupid comment.

[@DanielGarcia-kw4ep]

Why is that the correct perspective?

[@Kalahridudex]

@@DanielGarcia-kw4ep The liberal capitalist, aka the individualist one. One that doesn't care about tribal bullshit and focuses on letting the individual build bigger and better for himself. Israel is half individualistic and half tribal bullshit, boasts being the land of the Bible but also the startup nation. Palestine is entirely tribal bullshit, to them its all about who's ancestors fucked goats on that land first.

[@Kalahridudex]

@@DanielGarcia-kw4ep The tribalist perspective is entirely arbitrary, and there is no better example for that than Israel and Palestine. The Jews took it from the Arabs who took it from the Greeks/Romans who took it from the Jews. Whether history began in 1000BC or 1918 or whenever the hell is subject to the convenience of the tribe's whim. Rise above it Morty, focus on science.

[@TheCureEnjoyer]

Israel murdered 20000 civilians and forced 700000 into refuge while creating an apartheid state, and somehow supporting it is a correct position?

[@benlu2621]

I am a native English speaker and have spent most of my life in London, hearing accents from everywhere very happily. But I find the audio on your videos quite awkward. Am I alone on this? Do you have transcripts of your videos? I find it difficult to watch/listen and would be surprised to be a tiny minority about this but would like to access your content.

[@garethmiguel]

I'm also a native English speaker and I think you are alone in this.

[@dronite0019]

just turn on closed captions

[@matthewcoffman4053]

Thank you atlas vpn

[@user-xp8nq5mf9y]

8:27 No. the Answer is no, you already gave an example of how its not in the previous seconds of the video.

[@HanzGrozny]

17:46 Fly?

[@joseaca1010]

1:20 the big difference being that no failed capitalism has ever failed and caused as much suffering as your average socialist country In venezuela we believed in socialism because we were stupid enough to believe nothing could ever be worse than the previous administrations, we were proven horrifically wrong And the worst part is that i KNOW what happened in venezuela isnt even close to the worst abuses of the khmer rouge or mao's china Arguably the worst catasthrope that happened to my country in its 200+ years of history is nothing compared to what other worse socialist countries could bring to the world That thought is one of the reasons i became libertarian

[@Gatinois]

J'ai peur pour le futur de la Palestine.

[@morewi]

The simple answer is that politicians and their friends can make money off of these talks

[@EatMoreMeat.]

Great video.

[@petersmythe6462]

Any econ principles that apply universally? Uh... trade is limited by the volume and speed at which energy and information can flow? I guess? Show me your FTL trade route if you disagree.