The BYZANTINES are BACK in VICTORIA 3

[@gafeleon9032]

Iirc the russian and english parties were historically the parties in greece at that time and their main disagreement was wether to be closer diplomatically to the english or the russians (that's why those names)

[@TheSocialStreamers]

Ahhh, thank you!

[@gafeleon9032]

@@TheSocialStreamers there was also the french party that wanted the same but with france, all parties also wanted the greek political system to be modelled on their preferred great power so the french and english parties were constitutional monarchists and the russian party was more centralist

[@blah204]

Did they actually call themselves that in Greece or was that what they were called in other countries? Because that Sounds so soft of them lmao.

[@gafeleon9032]

@@blah204 the english did, the others didn't, as to "soft" idk what you mean, it was pretty important to choose a patron lest the turks return and they also had to choose a political model and the most notable ones were the ones from the three biggest european powers France, Great Britain and Russia

[@sean5350]

Very interesting

[@carlosmiguelteixeiraott3643]

Laith: "A nation with few natural resources" *looks at resources Me:"Lead, sulfur, wood, iron, that's more than what you usually have."

[@TheSocialStreamers]

The main issue is the population and lack of coal. Give me coal and iron and I've got a Great Power easily. Stupid industrial revolution making coal crucial resource.

[@francypants6519]

@@TheSocialStreamers invade Benin 3head

[@Leo.V]

​@@TheSocialStreamersCoal andIton? Well boy do i have a small nation for you that have both. Try Wallachia into romania just to see how painful it would be.

[@katmannsson]

@@francypants6519 literally my solution with Greece is to Puppet that whole region at the start while you're building up at home and then when the truces are up you start chain annexing them all. Very good strategy no matter who you are really, if you start with a navy and an interest its a great snowball.

[@LT_Silver]

@@TheSocialStreamers You could of buddied up with Austria and gone for the coal in Serbia

[@space__idklmao]

The party names are historical and represent factions that leaned towards certain nations

[@ayoplo]

Not taking Crete caused me physical pain... It was just SITTING there

[@KamppProductions]

how about when he called the greeks for slavic hahaha

[@idontlikerome2744]

Hurts more is Cyprus

[@Cybernaut76]

Dont worry. He did not even intend to play this seriously. His main purpose was to give us a basic lecture about how to create The Byzantine Empire.

[@Hypogeal-Foundation]

Eh Krete was ruled by hafsids or whatever in the 900s anyway.

[@codyjenson5310]

Trying to form Byzantium, "I'm just not feeling that ambitious today."

[@christos3280]

There was a Russian French and English party, not because it was a bug, but because there was a Russian French and English party. These three states all had different interests, and the new Greek state had to balance and navigate through the interests of these states to play the political game and liberate more of Greece. The first parties in Greece were therefore named that.

[@bradleystevens4618]

"The best way to play Victoria 3 is to have absolutely no idea what's going on" he speaks the truth

[@Kasaaz]

I appreciate that Laith did not correct that woman when he asked about dates. I'm guessing it made her entire day.

[@kindadumb916]

I wouldn’t blame her if it did, someone like Laith asking you out would be a huge morale boost.

[@michaelsurratt1864]

@@kindadumb916 I'm not even gay and it would make my day

[@KleinesStein]

Getting asked out on a date by anyone who isn’t acting overly creepy about it will tend to make your day, but when it’s laith, there’s a +1 stability from the “ask out” event regardless of result

[@Piratejoe44]

Day 33 of asking for a National Supremacy Oranje Free State Playthrough of Vicky 3. . . If you are wondering why I'm suggesting it still, it's because it's the smallest of the Boer states, and the vast majority of it's population isn't Boers, making this combo a nightmare. Perfect for a masochist like Laith!

[@bogdanvanghelie3479]

We need this 😂😂

[@legitplayin6977]

15:41 Laith discovered Prager U, truly the darkest timeline

[@skeletosiliopoulos6732]

The Greeks aren’t Slavs or Eastern European my man. They are native to the land and have been there thousands of years earlier than the Slavic migration

[@Sodier402]

You’re pretty much right about the bringing someone foreword thing but they probably wouldn’t be able to drink milk or eat corn. 2 very important moral characteristics.

[@FlatlandsSurvivor]

Half of humans today can't drink milk as adults. Lactose Tolerance mutation is incredibly recent, and has multiple unique origins.

[@panose6542]

geographically Greece is technically in eastern europe and balkan cultures have a lot of overlaps, it's more useful to put Greece into "southern Europe" along with Italy, Spain, and the Balkans south of the Danube

[@Sawinglog]

I appreciate your channel over others because of ur tangents!

[@historyafficionado478]

We need a form Byzantium with Ionian Isles run. Surely it wouldn't be a living hell :3

[@NemesisNecrosis]

tbh I'm really curious about what later game in this game is like, I'd love to see you form rome!

[@nukalegend]

The French, English and Russian party were historical parties in the beginning of Greek independence. Range from Centre, Centre-Right and Right in that order.

[@Alex_Fahey]

In modern politics maybe, but it's just weird to use these anti-historical terms. The Russian party was the 'right' in power against the 'left' opposition parties challenging it, in the form of the English and French parties. At the time, they were abnormal parties but the left parties were radically progressive in several ways. The French party was invested in the idea of centralizing a modern Greek identity and seeking the formation of a Greek state encompasing the "natural borders" of Greece, to steal a French concept from their own revolutionary experiment, in contradiction to the previous order. The English party was popular with the merchant class due to its economical liberal ideals. Both the French and English parties were constitutional advocates seeking to limit the powers of a monarchy in favor of a democratic process - even if the English one was more moderate in its approach. They were both left of the norm, in other words. The Russian party, despite being staunchly conservative and orthodox, was also a one seeking to crush the capitalistic business class that was taking advantage of the unstable situation of Greece. It's the kind of party that would look communist if it wasn't for its traditionalist concerns like Orthodox Christianity. If anything, I think it would be more appropriate to call them left, center-left, and right to use your same order, and I think that still hides some of the nuance of the historical situation.

[@dumb_blocks]

I would love to see a Byz into Rome part 2

[@Gamereal6286]

"Restricted peasant labor" - Laith Me: IN THIS ECONOMY?

[@ShiningLight]

If Laith doesn't know or understand something, it's always a bug in his eyes lol

[@TheAustinWoolShow]

I REALLY hope Laith decides to continue this one. I wanna see him swing south into the holy lands, and west to the Italian peninsula.

[@lastresort1plays]

As to the history point there it’s very important to judge people by the morals of their time period, a great historical example of this is Henry Ford, who was extremely anti-semetic for the time he was alive repeatedly getting several complaints written to his newspaper and receiving a medal from the Nazi party. Henry Ford for example was an extremist while the organizer of St.Lewis worlds fair and 1904 Olympics which included an anthropology days which sought to scientifically prove which races athletically suited to which sports(shocker the Europeans and Americans won). This “scientific study” wasn’t an abnormality or extremist view just reinforcing already dominant narratives of scientific racism and imperial superiority. Both shows bigotry(and are unacceptable by modern standards) but without the context of their time it’s impossible to see what was a exceptional act of bigotry. This tends to work in the inverse as well, if we ascribe modern values to premodern times we can also overlook extreme acts of heroism that seem simple today(this tends to happen a lot less).

[@palios]

I feel attacked. 😭 Also historically after the independance there were 3 parties that formed. The Russian, the French and the English friendly party. All three of the great powers wanted to influence the nation so... they did 😋

[@JokerGester]

One of the easiest starts to greece is you can start with a war for Krete and attack Egypt, and usually you can sway Austria to help you then get France to help you later when the automatic obligation is up when you want land in Ottoman territory.

[@wouldntyouliketoknowdeli7640]

Honestly while I'm pretty sure that they partly did it to dab on the Civ series for having Byzantium as a DLC, I'm pretty sure there's an actual historical basis behind being able to form it. The Megali idea or something.

[@bunkol294]

For me the whole idea of "forming" Byzantium is stupid. If the Greeks in XIX century wanted to claim that they're Romans they would do this right after or even during war of independence not after achieving some imaginary borders.

[@danzoom]

Nah, Byzantium is in hoi4 too, so I'm pretty sure it only has to do with paradox's love for Rome

[@bunkol294]

@@danzoom it only has to do with romeaboos who would cry if they wouldnt have option to play as byzantium XDD propably only because of this paradox changed starting year in eu IV from 1453 to 1444.

[@liamjm9278]

@@bunkol294 They did claim that they were Romans until 1923.

[@bunkol294]

@@liamjm9278 No they didnt, megali idea had nothing to do with Byzantium. Greeks prefered to build their indentity on ancient Greece. A lot of Byzantine monuments were actually destroyed by them because noone cared about this time period in Greece.

[@teteeheeted]

Greek is Hellenic not slavic, but it is surrounded by Slavic countries (save Turkish), hence the confusion

[@1perspective286]

14:35 I actually am inclined to think that stone age people were much smarter than us. The average hunter-gatherers needed to know the following: how to hunt, how to hunt in groups, how to skin an animal, how to cook their meat, how to make animal pelts into clothes, how to clean their clothes, which plants are safe to eat, which plants have medicinal value, how to make a house, how to navigate without compasses or maps, and how to tell a story. Granted, not everyone in a tribe would have known all these skills, but no tribe would exist long without at least one member who could do each task. Now, go out and see how many people in your friend group have any of this knowledge.

[@kimyeonahchannel]

Ironic that you open with a greece debt joke considering i heard that their condition is actually pretty well now. Well, as good as still being billions in debt, but they are actually able to actively repay it now

[@oldetobie2568]

The British man still mad about Napoleon

[@williampavlik9734]

Laith, you look like the one officer from the titanic movie

[@montaine320]

I’d love to see the part 2!

[@cuniving7831]

Also that Turkish moustache bit killed me

[@TurtleShroom3]

14:59 I disagree, and refer to this as CS Lewis did, as "chronological snob behavior". You cannot compare a person of that time with today's time because many things that exist now simply did not exist back then.

[@setoki2838]

One thing I really miss is some form of break up mechanic for multienthnic empires like Austria, Ottomans and Britain, where they disintregrate. I hate taking Austria proper and them just living happily ever after even tho the core land of the empire is gone.

[@Konichu35]

as a turk i can confirm that we all have that moustache

[@SoapCanFan]

That tesco worker probably got home and then went "ooohhhh my god he asked where the DATES were not where HIS DATE is" and then she died from embaressment.

[@dr0g_Oakblood]

0:12 - Rome in Five hours? I mean I guess if you start as like Charlie-meme, one of the other Karlings, or just general Byz, you probably could speedrun the Imperial borders in 5 hours, doesn't really sound fun tho, but I guess I am just not Romeaboo enough for that....

[@nubnubdubdeh]

I am a simple map enjoyer I see Rome on a laith video I like

[@scaryjacob5900]

English and Russian parties are historical in greece.

[@dallastruxal6775]

13:40 not trying to start anything here but I think you have #1 and #2 backwards laith

[@hmmm728]

We love the tangents over here 🔥

[@robertfisher8359]

I can't help you with a date, but I can still get you a like (and a comment). Any chance of an EU4 run of Trebizond to Byzantium to Roman Empire while sticking with Orthodox and the Komnenian Dynasty?

[@YiannissB.]

There were plenty of nutters in greece for sure but they weren't romaboes. How western countries consider byzantine identity is quite different to how Greeks viewed it back then.

[@romantatalovich1027]

Honestly laith I understand why you don't make some jokes but I wish you made all of them because I love them. Keep up the great work 👍

[@Corporal_Wojtek]

Greece is cool but have you heard for Jewish Nepal. I shall patiently wait even longer

[@silverbullet2589]

if you play as sikh and go to war with east india company and britain doesnt join them (maybe in another war + good relations or they are fighting a vassal of east india company to ban slavery or something) as soon as you finish that war the east india company will explode in many different states which makes for a fun playthrough. Managed to do it by 1848 but in order to have a more fun gameplay i would suggest you restart until east india company joins the war you declare on day 1 on Sinhd, sometimes they dont join restart until they do and take war reps, the rest of punjab and dehli. Try to ally France.

[@Ibm19000]

Not gonna lie I just did it myslef today like 1 hour ago. IT WAS A MISERY. But around 1895 I did it! :) it was smaller and I was only 9th power.

[@TurtleShroom3]

Fun fact: this is actually completely realistic. Both Russia AND Greece tried to reform the Byzantine Empire. When Russia tried to make the Third Rome, they eventually tried to reach and take the Turks out, but failed. Greece had an entire political ideology around restoring Byzantium and taking Constantinople, called the Megali Idea! The Megali Idea also failed when Turkey beat them back, and after the monarchy was abolished, there was no one to put on the throne of Eastern Rome.

[@Alexiosthegreat]

Please continue this, good sir

[@christopherjobin-official7440]

I do believe in judging historical figures based on the merit of that society. It would be unfair to give a math quiz to a guy who wasn't taught any math.

[@katmannsson]

Regarding your opening statement about Byzantium having been gone for almost 400 years by Vic3: "The Megali Idea (Greek: Μεγάλη Ιδέα, romanized: Megáli Idéa, lit. 'Great Idea') is a nationalist and irredentist concept that expresses the goal of reviving the Byzantine Empire, by establishing a Greek state, which would include the large Greek populations that were still under Ottoman rule after the end of the Greek War of Independence (1821-1828) and all the regions that had large Greek populations (parts of the Southern Balkans, Anatolia and Cyprus)." so there is a Historically Relevant reason for it to be a formable in Vic3, and its Journal Entry is well named for that reason.

[@diamondinthesky4771]

It doesn't matter how much Paradox buff the Ottomans The very day the next DLC and/or patch drops, a dedicated romaboo player will already have a full-proof strategy of how to decisively defeat them and restore the empire

[@emib6599]

First: Greece 🇬🇷 is southern european, even if it is near the Balkans. Second: Benin 🇧🇯 in Africa 🌍 is full of coal. I colonise here when I need it.

[@phillipusvershmoot3188]

American here. Insults are always welcome. We deserve them

[@upbeat_paradiso6773]

Fun fact: Colombus is/was celebrated in the United States because Italian immigrants wanted to tie our history into that of the mainstream American history. This was in an effort to curb the anti-italian sentiment going on in the 18th century. Also, couldn't have said the problem with mythologization and cleansing of great man history in order to acquiesce to the "standards of the time" bit better myself *chef's kiss*

[@jemoeder5347]

Yes yees, gib part 2

[@ogerpinata-nu2th]

It's so much more than simping! You are doing the right thing in the name of civilization!

[@oppionatedindividual8256]

Honestly. Turkey is gonna have to go. Anatolia is Greek.

[@ogerpinata-nu2th]

​@@oppionatedindividual8256 based🗿

[@belegarironhammer3200]

Love the thumbnail 👍

[@armiger168]

what is the reason to make the textile fabrics in attica and peloponese instead of focusing them in attica? Can somoene explain it to me pls

[@holyromanempire3445]

Byzantium fell 400 years before Vic3 and is still formable while the HRE dissolved only 30 years before the starting date and isn't :/ This kinda pisses me off

[@AGrumpyPanda]

The Greeks reclaiming their eastern roman empire identity from the Ottomans, essentially undoing the damage done since the fall of Constantinople, makes more sense than Germany deciding to undo confederation and just go back to being a loose network of city-states. Remember that the HRE was not a singular government, it was a network of contiguous states. The German people would basically be like "wait, we just spent the last hundred years unifying and confederating and becoming stronger as a result, and you want to go back to being a bunch of individual cities?"

[@coouragee]

New Laith video? big w

[@ΑλκιβιάδηςΑδαμόπουλος]

Bro Greece has her own hellenic culture, Cyprus too. We are not slavs. Hellenic culture is the oldest culture in the world. Thats why skopjians are not Macedonians because they are slavs and we are hellenic

[@obombomattatetrahondamog1461]

It's always annoyed me how people praise Napoleon, while knowing nothing about what he actually did and how much of a power hungry, insane person he was.

[@hrlwjck]

I'm a Turkish viewer and I'm not offended I love your videos

[@bugrademiroglu2260]

Nice we can conquer it again

[@troykanotz626]

Please play as kushite Egypt in ck3! Start as Egyptian culture, reform kushite into Kemetic, profit!

[@jamesmcpherson8599]

Try doing an Anarchist France. The Revolution must spread worldwide. :trollface:

[@Mattis06]

Yoo the king is Wittelsbach i was just played bavaria in eu4 as them

[@k.a.2253]

Idk is it harder to explain to Americans that Columbus never saw USA or to Columbus himself that he was nowhere close to India

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of The BYZANTINES are BACK in VICTORIA 3 momentum 100

[@ElzariusUnity]

Russians at one point litteraly trained one of theirs princes to be future emperor of Byzantium. Like, speaking greek and latin, the whole shebang

[@cuniving7831]

As someone who's Zulu run is currently paralysed by a lack of sulphur and a world where every colonial power on the African continent will join your enemy whoever they are I'm jelly of Greece's lack of resources.

[@awesomepork101]

Please do a part 2!

[@dr0g_Oakblood]

15:48 - Never underestimate the types of people that worship the myths of "Great Men of History" like how some Americans see Columbus as a central founder of the mythos of America, they tend to be unpleasant if you point out that people in the past might have done bad stuff. Pretty large overlap with the people who really insist that "buh buh buh we can't judge people in the past by our morality" as well as, for America in particular, Confederacy apologists.

[@Alex_Fahey]

Columbus is a central founder whether you like him or not. He's the first explorer (to matter at least, since the Norse expeditions were not successful long-term nor remembered by Europe) to land in the "west indies" and was the source by which the viability of sailing West to "India" was proven and proven profitable allowing the formation of all the states in the Americas today.

[@WarhoundActual1]

Greece is “Southern Europe” alongside Italy and Spain

[@Mk-ms3oq]

Forming Rome, next episode has to happen

[@JoyCruz-ci7oc]

What’s the benefit of forming nations in this game? other than the name?

[@sussychungus5355]

We need that part 2

[@danielr3587]

Can you please play in Central America or the Caribbean?

[@TungstenArm]

Video idea: did you ever see that mobile game that straight up stole CK3 screenshots to use for its ads? Play that for a video.

[@loopyguy7611]

wait wait, what would you have done if she said yes shes free in an hour? do you go anyway because you cant say no?

[@dandycrowks7903]

As a Turk, i would say no But i am interested

[@TheMrAsianPickle]

Laith, I challenge you to play Khmer in EU4, revert the diaster and take the mandate

[@lapisdragon1237]

You can revive many a thing in Fire Emblem. Also I just got a Fire Emblem Game and have been LOVING it! On day 34, I must recommend you buy it.

[@TheMisterDarknight]

Weeb (pls don't sue me)

[@vexuria]

dont think laith would like FE lmao

[@lapisdragon1237]

@@TheMisterDarknight fair.

[@krypticpanda6670]

Accurate modern day persia playthrough?

[@kralkralovsky8416]

ah yes forming rome as byzantium he says but completing the eu4 run of byzantium into rome he does not

[@Kasaaz]

Is Corfu independent at the start?

[@Illuminat-ve5ue]

4:22 Australia?

[@NathanAurelianus]

doesn't the Papal States have a revolution called the Roman republic around the time that Vicky takes place?

[@philippstetter5611]

I would be interested in a part 2

[@dustindavis3537]

As an American, please, more American jokes. There's never enough of them.

[@mikev4135]

Speak for yourself

[@danzoom]

​​​@@mikev4135 looking from your other comments, wtf dude 💀 And colonial Novgorod was amazing!

[@mikev4135]

@@danzoom dude I dont even remember haha. What ones?

[@FarsightAE]

Papal States into a republic turns into "Roman Republic", the only true Rome in Victoria 3.

[@milko540]

as a romeaboo, i appreciate it

[@merric4754]

The reason we American's celebrate Columbus is because one of our president's wanted to win over the Italian-American voting block

[@154Kilroy]

Columbus was Spanish though, why would Italians care?

[@MaxEinsel]

@@154Kilroy he was Italian

[@josh77577]

laith you should check out the OPB's Tweaks victoria 3 mod

[@mr.frostvampier]

U should have gone for Crete and Cyprus aswell.

[@yagzakarca6445]

1453 best day of my life

[@tsarXadam]

You're tangent about how the "great men of history" should be judged is an example of why I love your channel Laith.

[@montiwajan]

Should I be proud to not be one of the many Americans? Edit: actually yh I should and thankful as well

[@johnconnor8206]

Who else hears Castile when he says steel