The Canon C80's 12 BIG Upgrades | Best Full Frame Cine Cam?

[@CurrenSheldon]

Which C80 upgrade are you most excited about? Or, what do you wish you would have seen updated?

[@deroux]

SDI & fixed monitor hinge are my top two.

[@hughchal]

Haven’t got my hands on one yet to play, but built-in horizon would be top of the list. Personally I was lucky with my C70 hinge. No issues.

[@JosephRossPhotography]

Man firmware updates is one of the unspoken bonuses of being a canon owner operator. They’ve done a great job updating and adding new features to their cameras!!!

[@JosephRossPhotography]

I’m looking forward to that back lit sensor, auto focus, and the improved clear scan the clear scan feature on the R5C can be hit or miss.

[@ma-scalia8629]

@@JosephRossPhotographysorry for the uneducated comment but what is clear scan?

[@MrMoviePhoneEx]

Sad to say that wasn’t always the case. The c70 got a surprising amount of upgrades via firmware that old Canon would have just put in a new model. But chip shortages and heavy competition from Sony/ others, seemly forced their hand, and these day they are much more competitive overall. Speaking of which I’d love to see a firmware update for the c80/400 that adds vehicle subject detection - Sony has it, Canon doesn’t…yet.

[@JosephRossPhotography]

@@ma-scalia8629I didn’t know what it was either before I got into the cinema line. You know how you get flickering from lights ? Well clear scan is a feature that automatically adjust the Hz of the camera to clear up the flickering you can adjust the Hz manually but clear scan dials in to a more precise Hz number. It’s a faster fix than changing your shutter speed. Most cinema cameras use shutter angle. For some reason in my experience the R5C clear scan doesn’t always work for me.

[@JosephRossPhotography]

@@MrMoviePhoneEx well unfortunately not every camera is going to have every feature and yes since the newer cameras R5, C70 and R5C even some of the older cameras even have gotten firmware updates. Technology has been moving so fast it’s a bonus that canon gets the firmware updates right!! Sony doesn’t update their cameras much at all they just come out with new cameras.

[@CanonUSA]

Hi @currensheldon. Thanks for the great intro. to the new features and improvements of the EOS C80!

[@CurrenSheldon]

Of course! Thanks for making killer cameras :)

[@avdpost]

Keep in mind the DGO sensor tech isn't the same as Arri's. Arri is using two discrete A/D converters on each photosite in the processes and reading stage from sensing the analog data before converted to a digital signal. The DGO sensor is using the data from the dual pixel photosite to flash each site at 120 fps at the photosite level to read each photosite twice in quick succession, and do an a/d conversion once for saturation and one for shadows. Regardless the Canon is using a single a/d converter and Arri's is dual.

[@CurrenSheldon]

@@avdpost interesting! Over my head from a tech standpoint, but I just like the results both give me, so I guess that’s all that matters for DPs.

[@avdpost]

@ of course! It’s a very similar approach and result, but Arri’s didn’t limited by frame rate essentially.

[@josephberkeley]

The clips from King Coal are gorgeous. It would be great if Canon C70 firmware update could pop an electronic level into it. Thank you for the review. Sticking with C70 for now.

[@CurrenSheldon]

Thanks so much! And yes, I'd love an electronic level for the C70 - still one of the finest images out of any camera.

[@scottievee330]

I roll with the C400 and a C70. The triple ISO and stickier AF on the C400 is big. Talking head stuff the C70 is gem. I've shot vids and cut the two. It works fine.

[@deroux]

All the headaches fixed. I LOVE the sensor in my c70. Such a beautiful image.

[@CurrenSheldon]

So true - Now we need a full-frame DGO sensor, but that's probably going to be in a Canon C500 Mark III and cost $16,000.

[@GabrielScindian]

DGO is coming in the C500 RF variant

[@CurrenSheldon]

Yep, that's what I suspect as well. Or maybe DGO + Full Frame just isn't feasible quite yet. Might be a new C300/C70 combo with DGO. But I'd expect a full frame DGO camera to be the new Canon flagship.

[@GabrielScindian]

@ I could’ve sworn that I saw a sensor patent for a full frame BGO sensor by Canon a year ago I need to find out where I saw it. I’ll let you know when I find it.

[@velvetsound]

I’m signed up for a C400 and on the wait list. From the reviews I’ve seen that actually had one the sensor is the same dynamic range as the DGO within 0.2 of a stop. C80 is meant to be the same. Can’t wait to see the Gerald review.

[@LukeSchaeferFilms]

Stuart at Aperture impact has 2 C400’s available! I got mine from them! They are great!

[@raredreamfootage]

I don't think Canon sends Gerald anything to review anymore.

[@legacymediatv526]

Awesome review!

[@CurrenSheldon]

Thanks for watching!

[@andoproductionscinema]

Great video, man! Really looking forward to start using my C80 (finally upgrading from the R5)

[@CurrenSheldon]

Oh, you'll LOVE that switch. Enjoy!

[@raredreamfootage]

8:36 - Panasonic has DGO in their G9ii and GH7 cameras too.

[@baekmedier]

AMEN to the lack of DGO sensor. I was so sad when they annonced the c400 and c80.. But I am gonna switch my two C70 and my R5c out to get C400 instead.

[@HiDefJeff]

A major feature the C80 is missing that C70 had is 120fps with audio. C80 recording mode S&F Clip / Audio is capped at 60fps.

[@CurrenSheldon]

@@HiDefJeff ah yes - good call. Hopefully they can add that easily enough via firmware.

[@HiDefJeff]

@@CurrenSheldon Really hoping they do. It's a major feature for shooting action sports stuff!

[@MrLaky1234]

No way 😮 I hope for firmware update before end of this year for Dakar 2025. I placed order just when they released C80, but my local dealer said in next two weeks 😏 Is it FF or S35 in 4k 120p?

[@HiDefJeff]

@@MrLaky1234 You can do either FF or S35 in 120fps. You just cannot get audio with your 120fps in any crop factor, resolution or codec/bitrate. Hopefully enough people want this feature so Canon will hear us and bring it to us in a firmware update.

[@askforshane]

Great comparison! I’m interested to see what you end up shooting with your c80!

[@capturedbytymel]

I put my C70 through the ringer and I am always happy with what It can produce. The C80 just makes perfect sense as an upgrade especially with the triple base ISO. Was playing around with it in BH yesterday - only thing I wish they would add as an update is to disable the rear scroll wheel (not the big wheel, the small one by the thumb)

[@CurrenSheldon]

Yep it's an excellent camera. Though I still think I prefer the image from the C70, the extra detail will be more useful in more situations. Plus the C80 has all of the nice upgrades that make it a much more usable camera.

[@angryrabbitproductions1690]

Good review, I have a R1 coming in tomorrow and will be curious how that stacks up to Sony’s A9III. FYI: There is another company that has a camera that features a DGO sensor… Panasonic with their dynamic range boost technology. This is technology utilizes two simultaneous exposures, at different ISO ranges to created a high dynamic range single exposure.

[@financial_age]

is it better then the blackmagic 6K full frame?

[@M2008tw]

Strangely, they haven't updated their bodies to be more boxy. It's getting very tall. I'm also surprised they haven't gone with two CFexpress B cards or at least one. I'd also like a better slow-motion option.

[@matadormartin]

I don’t see a huge difference in DR when I’ve seen side by side C70 and C80, but there is something mysterious about that DGO sensor. It might be to do with roll off or something, there is just a kind of smoothness to the entire image which makes it feel a bit more filmic. That said, corporate clients don’t really care about things being filmic! And that is most of my money. I’m going to push the C70 for longer though, as I don’t think the C80 would drastically change my workflow right now but time might change that feeling. All of my clients have only said good things about the images I’ve made with the C70.

[@PhilHover]

GH6 / GH7 have DGO sensors

[@CurrenSheldon]

Hmmmm - I don't think so. They have a dynamic range boost mode, but not sure that definitely implies a DGO sensor. Did some digging and didn't see any materials saying they do, but I could be wrong. It's happened before - haha.

[@nzxt84]

No, they don't

[@colinthomas2525]

Great video and a great upgrade from c70 but lacking in open gate and anamorphic options. It’s new but almost feels dated.

[@CurrenSheldon]

Yes, open gate (or any 3:2 or 4:3 mode) would have been the BIGGEST (and most exciting) upgrade, so it's a bummer to see Canon holding back there still. 1.5x and 1.33x anamorphic lenses will still work great, but would have been nice to see that true 3:2 mode.

[@avdpost]

@@CurrenSheldon The sensor seems to be 3:2 on the spec sheets. So i'm hoping open gate will come in a future firmware update, fingers crossed.

[@MrMoviePhoneEx]

@@CurrenSheldon1.5 is getting added in the next firmware, along with some other more studio focused upgrades. Open gate would be awesome though, on par with when they added raw to the 70 :)

[@Makta972]

Image quality wise the C70 looks MUCH better.

[@CurrenSheldon]

The Canon C70 has the best pound-for-pound image quality, I believe. If there were nice Super35/APS-C lenses in RF Mount (16mm f1.4, 33mm f1.4, 16-55 zooms, etc), then I would be happy with the C70 for a long time.

[@nebukadnezzar3578]

3:19 Isn’t the Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 already made for APS-C/S35? ;-)

[@CurrenSheldon]

Yep! That’s why it will work in Super35 crop mode. If it’s in C80s normal recording mode, it will vignette.

[@JanWilliamsBailey]

So basically this is the C70 mark 2? The C70 has been my favourite camera that I have ever used. There was only 2 things I didn’t like was the mini XLR ports and having it hard to monitor audio properly without changing the settings so I can hear in both ears. It was very nice to handle for hand held footage even with it rigged up with a cage, 7 inch monitor and a mic. Even though I would personally of used a 5 inch. I love the slow motion, the battery life wasn’t brilliant but extremely useable, I was thinking of buying the C70 but now that the C80 is out? Is that the camera to go for?

[@ErisedMediaCo]

Stop showing the censor. I can already see dust on it! Don’t understand why people do this. Other than that, good video. Love my C70 and have an R5c so I can’t justify a C80 but I’d love one if I didn’t have the C70

[@LeviathanSnakes]

Amazing video! Quick question, where do you find the setting to display the electronic leveler on the lcd for the C80? I can’t find it in the menu

[@6fourmedia]

5th option in the menu - custom display 1. (if it's at all similar to the R5C)

[@LeviathanSnakes]

@ you are amazing! Thank you so much!

[@nidogemedia]

how's the image looking VS DGO image from C70? Is it sharper? Still looking Filmic or closer to mirrorless image now.

[@CurrenSheldon]

@@nidogemedia oooh hard to say so far - I would say it doesn’t have the magic sauce of the Canon C70 but is way more detailed. If I was going to go shoot a branded content piece or a commercial, I’d grab the C80. If I was going to shoot a film, I’d grab the C70 (unless I really needed an SDI port - 😂)

[@MarkArchuleta]

How do you turn on the level on the C80?

[@hawaiifreespeechnews]

I love the build and form factor of the C80 but I'm pissed Canon purposely crippled it to make room for the C400 :(

[@CurrenSheldon]

What did they hold back you were hoping for? A full-frame, 6k camera with internal raw (and lots of other features) for $5500 sounds pretty good to me.

[@hawaiifreespeechnews]

​@@CurrenSheldon Two SD card slots and no option for a CF express B slot that would allow for more internal raw options?!! That wasn't done by mistake or with compromise, it was a deliberate move by the Canon camera engineers along with limiting 6K to no higher than 30p. Sad Story!

[@TJ-po9ol]

They purposely gimped it by not putting in a CFexpress B & it seems to be the R3 sensor.

[@andersistbesser]

Lumix gh7 also has a dual gain sensor. I wonder who you could miss that, anyone knows that.

[@DavidEllsDP]

Are you talking about dynamic range boost mode? Not the same thing.

[@andersistbesser]

@davidells8146 it is the same thing, just another name

[@CurrenSheldon]

@@andersistbesser Haven’t found anywhere that says it’s actual DGO. Maybe you’re right and it’s the same thing but a different name, but probably a different hardware process.

[@andersistbesser]

@CurrenSheldon its the same thing, combining two ranges to one image with higher dynamic range, better highlight rolloff and all the other good things coming with it Just like canon and arri do. I am sure every brand does things a bit different if it comes to hardware but the outcome is the same. Dual gain sensor have something very special in their picture. I love the look.

[@edualapont]

Hi Curren, I have a canon eos r that I still use professionally for videography and local business photography, would you advise me to invest in a c80 or a ronin 4d?

[@CurrenSheldon]

Good question - If have RF lenses and like the EOS R workflow, I'd go with a C80. It's an incredible camera and is ultimately more versatile than the Ronin 4D and easy to work with. BUT, if you find yourself doing A LOT of gimbal work and walking around, then the Ronin 4D could be a great fit. Just depends on the type of work you are doing.

[@edualapont]

@@CurrenSheldon thank you very much for your advice, and for your videos!

[@hhankx]

LUMIX gh7 is dgo as well

[@arthuro1140]

Do you know how it compares against the r5ii? In terms of image quality?

[@CurrenSheldon]

I have used the R5 and R5c against the C70 and it's night and day. Yes, the R5 series has more detail, but the dynamic range and the general filmic quality of the C70 is LEAGUES ahead. And the C80 is pretty darn close to the C70, so I'd guess the C80 would have a much nicer image than the R5II - but I'd have to test them side by side! I used an R5c as a B-Cam for awhile, but finally gave up because the image was so different than the C70.

[@JosephRossPhotography]

@@CurrenSheldon Do you think the R5C will match well with the C80 ?

[@JosephRossPhotography]

Yes I love the electronic leveler in the R5C it’s very useful especially win mounting on a tripod.

[@MrMoviePhoneEx]

@@CurrenSheldonI picked up the 400 instead and the image quality is pretty close to the c70 over all. I just shot a series of two cam interviews with them, and while sharpness and detail was noticeable (the 400 has much more vs the 70) I was surprised at how well the 70 held up in some very tricky lighting situations. The upgrade in autofocus for single operator jobs on the 400 is noticeable though. I do a lot of gimbal work so autofocus is usually part of my life. And to keep the c70 competitive with some other shooters I had to add on the DJI lidar package to it because the 70 has a naturally softer image, and if it misses focus there’s no recovery to save you… So far the 400 has given me the same over all reliability of the lidar in normal to bright light and that’s a huge upgrade for me! The lidar still has some major advantages, but if you want keep things small with some simple RF glass, Canon has really come through with the new cine cams. It would have been amazing to see their newest hybrid autofocus system in the 80/400, but the cine line will always lag behind on that front.

[@hawaiifreespeechnews]

@@MrMoviePhoneEx The R1 6K 60p with C-log 2, it will be interesting to see how it compares

[@Newvision-ck9cr]

I just hate the body type it’s like a mini brick