The Carnivore Bias in The Isle

[@Ticklicous]

Hot Take: Herbis should be able to sniff while walking, it'd provide legitimately no genuine advantage to them over carnivores and despite Isle's "realism" excuse they still refuse to add one of the most realistic functions of them all, the fact that irl herbivores are more than capable of scenting while in movement, and due to such would make more than enough sense to implement into the game for that supposed "realism" that they want in this game.

[@lukasart3951]

Yeah it was a weird choice to not let them smell while walking

[@barhino0954]

I'm pretty sure back then carnivores had a much more adapted scent to smell out gore blood and yes.... poop

[@LuCa8_]

This man needs more subs please spread this shit around the isle community. You have better quality and more interesting topics than most isle KZbinr

[@moluvkbalalala8878]

ye he deserve more subs but also he deserve a better mic, lets get money togther so he can buy a new one ^^

[@XZaguer]

@@moluvkbalalala8878 problem fixed, you will check the difference this Friday 🙂

[@nerdpoopoo9516]

One of the only Isle tubers who speaks mad facts! I'm tired of people in the isle community who criticize the game being silenced and the only ones allowed to speak are those who lick the devs boots, I love the isle, but in its current state I literally can't play it, its just not fun. You absolutely need more recognition! People need to see what you have to say (especially the devs) so that it doesn't die, and is able to become the good game that we all want it to be!

[@nikolasdemoulin8093]

Not everything he says is fact. He has fair points sometimes. Other times it’s just a personal desire to relive the nostalgia of legacy. The game isn’t bad currently. It just isn’t developed enough and gets far too few updates. There’s literally zero way to know if his criticisms are based in fact or not, currently as the game’s basically in alpha. Once most of the rosters added and all or most mechanics are out, then we can argue if the game is fun/well designed or not. But currently it’s too early to tell and development is so stupid slow that we get only 2 updates per year. No way to know if acro is badly designed or whatever. It’s not in the game. We do not know.

[@thegorgosaurus3615]

Is it just me or is every upload amazing

[@bazamere]

Not just you 😁

[@joshuajohnson7848]

Yeah homes, not just you. Zaguer is very skilled and makes high quality content. At least in my opinion

[@dino_mite1119]

It’s not just you mate. My guy has a gift

[@gambitaku6179]

I agree it is truly amazing

[@ITakeItGood]

Ironically, carnivore favor created an unspoken agreement with herbivores in Legacy. If 3/4 of the server is competing to kill you, you tend to band together.

[@nmci8959]

For everyone complaining about stego being OP, here's the thing: it is very powerful, HOWEVER it can't catch anything. It's a purely defensive and loud animal, the only way an adult anything is going to die to it is being too trusting, attacking it, or sitting/sleeping near one, all of which are faults on the player, not the playable. I do think it's stronger then it needs to be right now, but it's easily avoidable.

[@fatpigeon765]

Just wait until it bodyguards 🙂

[@12yroldedgelord41]

But it shouldn't be

[@JudojugsVtuber]

@@fatpigeon765 thats why you can rip off chunks of meat. bait it away then run up on the corpse grab a bite then run off. Stego can't catch any carnivore looking for food.

[@sheepish2159]

@@JudojugsVtuber Would agree if it weren't for the fact that there's a huge delay when grabbing meat. Sometimes it freezes you in place for as long as 3 seconds, and a body guarding stego will almost never be 3 seconds away from the body. By the time they're thirsty enough you'll probably be starved. Plus, said chunks only provide about one tiny sliver of hunger. Meat in this game doesn't provide enough food imo. You can eat something 5x the size of your stomach and still be hungry. I wonder if a body fat/caloric system would help fix some of these issues.

[@karenboy1005]

The problem with carnivore bias in my opinion is that way too many people forget that surviving and thriving is meant to be hard for the carnivores, since their food is literally built to either run away or fight back. A huge amount of people buy this game not because they want to be tested in their ability to survive in a fictional world, but because they wanna live out their fantasy of being a big bad apex carnivore that terrorises the weak. It is for this reason that carnivore players tend to be the loudest whenever things don't go their way. Be it a herbivore being very fast and hard to catch or extremely powerful and able to beat the shit out of them in defense, when these types of players see that their prey doesn't immediately collapse in front of them to provide free food, they get outraged and begin to ask for herbivore nerfs and carnivore buffs. The easiest way to notice this pattern is by looking at 2 matchups in Evrima: Pachy vs Utah and Teno vs Carno. Both of these herbivores are slower than their carnivore counter parts and have shit running stam. This by default requires them to be more than capable of fighting back and killing their attackers, with abilities that require stamina and good aim to use, but are to be avoided getting hit by. Despite this very simple balancing logic that would make sense to even a toddler, your average Utah/Carno player will complain that Pachy/Teno can't just die in a couole of bites, or that going inside their ram/tail slam range is fatal, even though they have all the tools necessary to stay out of the range of those respective abilities and use the element of surprise to kill their prey, rather then going into an all out brawl that they cannot win by design.

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

But pachy obliterates utah and teno does the same with carno, I dont see the carnivore bias, and also, stego can fight 3 deinos at the same time

[@karenboy1005]

@@ender_z4nd3r83 the carnivore bias is in the people asking that the herbivores should be both slower and weaker than their carnivore counter parts because they get incredibly pissy when they see that herbivores aren't free food. Also, those 3 Deinos have to be a special kind of stupid to die to a single Stego, a Utah that starts a fight with a Pachy by pouncing it basically secures the kill, and a Carno that ambushed a Teno with a charge will more often than not win the fight. None of those herbivores "obliterate" any carnivores, they're just hard to take down, as they're supposed to be, because they don't have the option to run away.

[@plushy6290]

@@ender_z4nd3r83 pachy dose not obliterate Utah a skilled Utah can bait out charges and take advantage of the recovery time from the pachys charge. with Carno and Teno the Carno won't win by just face tanking it, the Carno has to be patient and bait out attacks.

[@cenkzh]

i mostly easily kill tenos as carno %90 of time i just kill them in matter of seconds and i dont go in if im not going to land a headram on them, as carno its impossible to kill a stegosaurus tho, but utah packs can easily kill stego without problem but seems like stegos are really over powered and only die because of bleed, if there are +5 utahs attacking him and of course they all have to perfectly bounce and land hits on stego while avoiding getting hits from their tail or bites... stego really doesnt requires that much skill.. and is too op rn like you get 1 tail shot with carno adult on ur body its done for you, max 2 tail swings and a carno adult is dead thats over powered

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

@@cenkzh those tenos you kill suck a lot

[@dannya1854]

I play Rex because I've been a Rex fanatic since I was a baby, but even I recognize the bias against herbivores in this game. Just eating bushes waiting to die to carnivores that either outturn you, outpace you, or out damage you.

[@buru9288]

I personally think the stego in evremia is an apex as it can easily win a 1v1 against any current dino

[@galkepic9229]

In a straight up fight, definitely. Though I think it's beat to draw them to spots that ate not optimal. Kinda of same situation with deino per se. As it is ill advised to got straight fist to cuffs with a bigger fella, but to play it smart.

[@missdaniels3118]

Stego has been top dog for too long & the developers have done nothing about it. Once the first Carnivore Apex arrives, I hope its op af so the Stegos can get a taste of some long deserved medicine. I sound full of hate for Stegos & thats cause I do hate them. They're massive assholes & bully other players cause they can.

[@mistypikku]

@@missdaniels3118 the stego mains will just move to whatever is the strongest dinosaur

[@biblemansings]

@@missdaniels3118 I don’t want the first apex carnivore to be OP. The players you are describing are the ones that would be playing the new apex carnivore.

[@BohrokKiller]

Back when I used to play the isle, I always played as herbivores like Hadrosaurs, Sauropods and Ceratopsians. With the occasional Therizinosaurus. If I played as Carnivores, I most often played as Herrerasaurus. Where I usually followed/stalked large carnivores and stole a bit of food when they weren't looking.

[@Dolphin_Wolf]

Cant wait to see your spino concept art review. You are the beast when it comes to reviews

[@Reyd0r]

Veteran community members might be familiar with Dondi's infamous despising of Anky. Yet another point in this videos favor

[@saulgoodman151]

Yo that outro fucking slaps bro

[@bazamere]

Yeah and in evrima at least the one herbivor that has a better than equal chance against the carno (stego) is so slow the carno really doesnt have to worry about dying to it umless they engage it. Plus I believe they have seriously lessened the places where you can wallow in evrima... so really hiding your scent as an herbi and stopping bleed is not as frequest an option as it used to be (unless they brought back river edge mud)

[@gendygoblin8391]

They really just need Herbivore AI that can fill the world and fix the imbalance of the ecosystem because for every carnivore there should be like 10 herbivores conservatively.

[@LaCreatura23]

"and hyspi" got me lmao

[@2I000]

I have to say, the current stego is in no way mid tier.. that thing is an apex herbivore. Not even carnos or deinos can defeat it. Also I feel like tenonto seems more like a mid tier, but I have less knowledge to back that up.

[@mistypikku]

Stego is a semi apex, the true apex herbivores will be the big sauropods, triceratops, deinochierus, therizinosaurus, and ankylosaurus

[@2I000]

@@mistypikku how is anky a true apex but not steg? They’re like the same thing, even genetically stegosaurs and ankylosaurs are closely related.

[@mistypikku]

@@2I000 anky is much more powerful in attacks and defense than stego

[@2I000]

@@mistypikku anky isn’t even in the game yet bro you’re just speculating

[@mistypikku]

@@2I000 i am referencing irl, anky is just a better evolved stego

[@flightlesslord2688]

Yep it's ridiculous. There's too many. I have no idea how they're ever gonna expect to make it a functional player based ecosystem at all. The balancing makes no sense between carnivores and the extreme ammout on predation experienced by herbi players will just make more people play carnivores. They need less carnivores that are more challenging to play. Most hunts should fail, not be easy for the carnivore.

[@aeyelashbug6311]

"What if I told you..." As if we didn't already know. As if there's a single dinosaur media ever produced that doesn't have a bias towards carnivores

[@davemiller7742]

When are you going to do the spinosaurus concept art?

[@DarkDiamond-jx2gx]

Wait ptera can cause bleed damage? I don't think I've ever made anything I attack bleed, and I main ptera. Maybe I just don't pay enough attention to it? Someone wanna confirm it for me? I might just be trippin lol

[@malandan]

i haven't seen any ptera do bleed

[@DarkDiamond-jx2gx]

@@malandan yeah thats what I thought, 4 months later after making the comment and I have yet to see ptera do any bleed dmg, safe to say that it doesn't lol

[@the1990boy]

Bleed is a nice bonus but i never affects my dino choice, I play carnivores more often because food is more plentiful, herbivores are alot harder to keep fed.

[@flatcoated5029]

wdym? everyone except stego can escape a single carno, it's only when there's more of them and you're solo you're gonna have a hard time dodging. Which i think is only reasonable considereing it's a tier above everything that can escape it.

[@alang.bandala8863]

Maybe they can do like Primal Carnage that you can only use a limit number of rexes or spinos

[@kitieriwhite7758]

It'll be annoying but at this point it unfortunately has to happen but it most likely won't

[@Patrick3183]

Good idea

[@l4dhuntel]

Devs has said they are not gonna do it like that. The amount of Apexes will reduce alot when humans/tribal are added...well until players learn how to play them correctly

[@grendel8342]

That's really dumb unless you want to limit the number of apex herbivores as well. Because let's be honest herbivore players are just as if not more toxically annoying than any mega pack. Giant groups of players using the strongest thing in game to fuck with people is the norm. If it isn't carnivores it will be herbivores.

[@ihavenoidea5845]

That's what I've been hoping for a long time. There shouldn't be giant packs of 10 carnos killing everythinh

[@ginam5497]

Not in dinosaur arcade except cory allo thing.

[@lamebubblesflysohigh]

In defense of carnos in Evrima - Deino is boring AF because you are confined to tiny streams with very little chance of actually ambushing anyone. Raptors are smaller, weaker and slower than Carnos as they should be because they are not supposed to compete with Carnos or even hang around in their biome BUT due to lack of suitable prey and how bad jungles are they kinda have to hang around Carnos. Pteranodon serves no purpose other than being annoying. So if you want to PvP, Carno is the only viable carnivore.

[@SpinexF7]

A teno can kill a carno, and even a bad stego can kill a deino. So teno is mid tier and stego is apex.

[@ihavenoidea5845]

A teno can, but most of the time carno kills it. Wich it should be the other way around seeing carno can just run away from it when on low health but yeah stego is too strong for the current roster I think

[@cenkzh]

@@ihavenoidea5845 as a carno player, mostly tenontos kill carnos.. for me yes I manage to kill tenontos as carno but most carno players are noobs tbh

[@ihavenoidea5845]

@@cenkzh Yeah they just want to spam bite and kill. I think that's mostly because it's so easy to grow, so people who are not so good will be able to have a fully adult carno. But I thibk that's mostly because they don't want to disengage. Because if it was more about survival, wich the game wnats to eb about, they would just disengage and therefore not easily die. I feel like carnivores should loose most fights, doesn't even have to be death, just disengagement. That's how actual predators are aswell and I think it would be much more about survival than combat then. But well, some kids will not be okay about not winning every fight easily and say carno is too weak. But yeah I think carno is just too easy to grow and orhetwise needs some slight nerfs

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

Im sorry but no, carno is not unbalanced, I have fight in private servers people that were complaining teno is obliterated by carno, turns out all of them sucked with teno, and in the case of pachy, 2 of them can kill a carno, finally, the current apex is stego, being almost twice stronger than deino, like most "competent fighters" my opinion is that carno is not op, is just easy to use, and it wont change, no matter the nerfs, the only complain I understand is that carno hitbox is huge, it turns to well, and it does too much bleed

[@thegorgosaurus3615]

You forgetting utah?And all small tier dinosaurs?

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

@@thegorgosaurus3615 why would I? utah problem is just pouncing not working, and with ptera, dryo and hypsi, they obviously wont ever be able to kill carnos

[@thegorgosaurus3615]

@@ender_z4nd3r83 I agree on you with carno but shouldn't little dinosaurs should atleast be able to escape otherwise they are useless to play as

[@AvengedPanzer]

I also think the issue with carno is the huge hitbox, turn radius, and the fact that such a fast carnivore was put in with so many other small tiers. You have almost no chance of outrunning it, it's quite unfair. Hopefully it will get a hitbox nerf, because I'm quite tired of being drained to literally no health from a tail shot...

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

@@thegorgosaurus3615 you are right but not in the case of carno, I mean, the only real strength of carno (not rn but it will when we have the other mid tiers) is that it is the fastest dino and nothing can run from it, except good swimmers, climbers and galli

[@pozu1312]

I like more herbis than carnis, and my favorites are the omnívors

[@minussoup9183]

I would love to see you in charge of the isle’s development team. But those are big shoes to fill, don’t let my comment pressure you, I just wanted to say that.

[@kartiokotilotuutle9321]

I respect your opinion, but I've got to say that I disagree if we're talking about Evrima. Carnotaurus and deinosuchus might both be very strong, but the stegosaurus is way more powerful in comparison. Carnos don't just run around killing stegos, you need to have a very big and smart group of them to even stand a chance. Also, the pachycephalosaurus can break a carno's leg with the first hit and it has already won the fight. I'd also argue that tenontos can kill carnos if they are good players, altough the current balance may favor carnos over them. I understand that at the time this video was made the balance may have been totally different than it currently is and I am purely speaking about the current situation. I also do think that carnotaurus and deinosuchus should both be nerfed, I just disagree with the game having carnivore bias. Media in general does seem to have this kind of bias though, and I'm glad you brought it up.

[@CurseOfVanishingI]

im pretty good at killing things with ease as a herbi

[@Lonely_dove]

1. Stego and teno make this video irrelevant since teno has the best move set in the game and stego is the most powerful 2.how is stego a mid tier?

[@ihavenoidea5845]

Teno is absolutely dead if two carnos just spam bite and even with a single carno it has big problems. How is that fair if it can't run or Hilfe from it? It has to have some advantage over it. This is coming from a carnivore player who finds such easy boring and unfair for the herbies

[@Lonely_dove]

@@ihavenoidea5845 a teno and carno 1v1 is fare,teno can just stun lock carno and kick it to death. And teno can be in bigger herds than carno can be in. So if two carnos find one teno alone then that’s life I’m afraid

[@ihavenoidea5845]

@@Lonely_dove Well the problem is just that there seem to be almost always more rhan one carno, so it's not as fair. As long as you can grow carno so easily that there are always big groups I think it should be nerfed. I just find it more enjoyable as carno to have a hard time and not win every fight. But yeah if there are less carnos I think it's fine

[@ginam5497]

don't tenontos clap carno most of the time?

[@Pigeon88172]

Not now

[@ginam5497]

@@Pigeon88172 Dang.

[@ikesparrow2490]

Respectfully... you just said life isn't fare with the bleed thing

[@kapochino8566]

imagine launching the isle and choosing to eat grass in a prehistoric cow

[@MonguiStudios]

Bro ur videos are amazing but plz buy a mic and then ur videos will be top tier the isle content

[@lvsans]

imagine evrima's carnos

[@SnaxMang]

Scavenger gang scavenger gang

[@kevinishki]

I think teno tale could be used better and everything moves a bit too fast. It's been a while since I've played evrima though

[@SirKolass]

Stego mid tier? It literally destroys every single thing in this game 😂😂 The only time a carno will kill a Stego or a Deino is if those players suck real bad, it's even harder now with locational damage... Also, Deino doesn't belong on land, you can't complain because a fast dinosaur is biting you and you can't bite back.

[@BenardAustin]

It is mid tier. It's only top tier currently because other dinos have not been released yet. Go play Steggo in Legacy, and you will understand why it is mid tier.

[@SirKolass]

​@@BenardAustin Bro are you kidding me? Legacy is completely unbalanced. Stegosaurus is a 6 ton beast, weighing more than a t-rex, equipped with 4 huge thagomizers, it ain't no damn mid tier.

[@Seiratix]

I'm saying this before watching the video but I do think there's a carnivore bias aswell BUT stego remains as strong as it is and is never nerfed so devs can use it as a excuse to say they don't have any bias.

[@ihavenoidea5845]

Yeah but stego really is the only strong herbivore. Others qre just weak sadly. I don't at all understand carnivores having fun wirh such easy prey. I had the most fun as a carno when 2 Utahs pouncing you was still almost a death sentence and teno could easily clap you when you were unpacient. It was about skill and ambush and survival, not the big bad carnivore killing everything we see now

[@Seiratix]

@@ihavenoidea5845 Exactly, stego is the only strong herbivore because devs are just going to use it stego as a excuse to say herbivores are fine. Deino which is suppose to be an apex but is just a semi apex now gets easily clapped by a stego

[@ihavenoidea5845]

@@Seiratix Yeah. Deino should be able to like 2 shot stego in the head with how high it's bireforce and stegos head is. Stego would still have a chance to run

[@Seiratix]

@@ihavenoidea5845 No??? Deino definitely should not 2 shot stego to the head, deino use to head shot stego easily when the stego was staying still but they fixed that so now its impossible to headshot stego, the stego faces its tail towards you and spams its tail swing. Literally no skill at all.

[@ihavenoidea5845]

@@Seiratix Yeah you're right. Deino could just ambush and stego wouldn't have time to turn around so it would be an instand kill. But how do we solve the issue of stego? We either make deino stronger or stego weaker. I think a weaker stego wouldn't be bad in this stage of the game where there are no other apex carnivours other than deino wich stego can run away from. Until stronger land carnivours are added I think a weaker stego wouldn't be bad

[@mojolmao1752]

Dude herbivores will always fucking sit in a herd anyways. What do you wanna do make them OP megaherds like in beasts of bermuda?

[@borbduck]

I think removing bleed from carno and utah would be a pretty good solution, keep deinos bleed tho since it's an apex

[@qwimjekral3646]

no and just no

[@borbduck]

@@qwimjekral3646 yeah you're right... Haven't played the isle ever since pachy so i wonder what it's like

[@qwimjekral3646]

@@borbduck everything is balanced except for stego and maybe little health nerf to teno and fix utah pounce and the rooster will be okay

[@borbduck]

@@qwimjekral3646 i dunno man stego is the slowest dinosaur, it makes sense to be strong

[@qwimjekral3646]

@@borbduck stego might be slow but it should not be able to take more than 2 crocs at time not even one ffs :D stegos are one shot machines nothing can hurt them in the current game.

[@Some1-2]

The devs need so watsh thes videio.

[@splunky5156]

I heavily disagree that it's irrelevant how specific individuals use their dinosaurs. When you effectively utilize your animals strengths it will perform much better than when you don't and balancing the animals to what skilled players can do with them is the proper way to balance imo. As for the higher pick rate for Carno I believe it stems from carno being much easier to play compared to other animals and the fact that it's direct carnivore competition, Utah suffers heavily from bugs and poor optimization. It is my opinion that if the game actually ran properly Utah would be much more popular than it is as skilled Utah players are capable of taking down nearly anything (group size pending) if they aren't being foiled by pounce bugs and fps drops. Tldr I believe dinosaur strength should be balanced to what skilled players can do with them and that carno is not nearly as overpowering as everyone claims just that it is easy to play, potentially too easy to grow and that there are often to many of them which tilts otherwise fair fights with numbers advantages. (This is just my opinion based on in game and streamer observations please no angry Reeeeeing)

[@galkepic9229]

Yeah, though I also remember in legacy where devs actively gave attention to carnivores than herbivores. So left unchecked if they aren't looking for it again, plus the mentality. But for evrima I think it's easy to keep distance from stego if they don't have pachy. But in the end eh, that's just what I see. I don't have too much experience in evrima as of late so I could be wrong

[@splunky5156]

@@galkepic9229 even if carnos get leg broken they're still faster than stego it's the tenos that'll get yah, unless you run out of stam or keep getting stunned by pachies. I remember the carnivore bias and sometimes worry about it especially with animals like Para, but so far most fighting herbivores can really hold thier own from what I've seen so I'm still hopeful.

[@searskea4]

You're gaslighting pretty hard. There is a very clear stat imbalance between carno and the majority of the roster. Carno has the best speed, turn radius, healing rate, attack speed, and as menti oned is easy to grow. There is a lack of skill alright...in the devs ability to fairly balance game stats. There is extreme favoritism and carno is by far the best example of this, though legacy's allo is a close second. Trying to claim that people are unskilled for recognizing this imbalance is total bs.

[@splunky5156]

@@searskea4 Gaslighting how? Carno has no where near the best turn rate. I have no idea where I called anyone unskilled (I definitely didn't) and I never said carno doesn't have any issues it does. I just believe that it's not as bad as many people claim it is.

[@searskea4]

@@splunky5156 By you trying to handwave everything away as a skill issue when that is most definitely not the case. Whether you are willing to admit it or not there is a severe stat imbalance as far as carno is concerned. You are welcome to stick to your opinion but there are quite a few people who think otherwise because the issues are pretty obvious. Its the same way the devs are blaming performance issues solely on people's computers and its not. Streamers with 3080ti cards and top of the line equipment can't top 40 frames. As for carno, as of the last update carno has a better turning radius than hypsi. Don't get any hopes up about herbivores because the lead dev has a very virulent hatred of them.

[@whydoineedthisB]

Velociraptor puppy dog pet .

[@Syenthros]

While I think The Isle may favor carnivores, I think Path of Titans went too far in the complete opposite way where herbivores are all near unstoppable murder machines lol Finding a balance is difficult though when half the roster depends on killing the other half.

[@mistypikku]

Herbivores aren't unbalanced, its just that there is a lack of carnivore apexes, but with tyranno and giga being in most servers, it will bring equality in both teams

[@Stalin_Gamin]

Bruh thats ds. Tenonto is way more powerfull than carno or cera. And stego not. to mention solos the whole roster

[@moluvkbalalala8878]

#PUSHWITHCOMMENT

[@grendel8342]

It's because the only fun thing to do in the game is hunt and fight. I have seen no reason to play herbivores that validate keeping them playable when i can do everything they can do with omnivores and carnivores.

[@davidegaruti2582]

Well imagine being a maia player and terrorizing utha players with your mere presence

[@grendel8342]

@@davidegaruti2582 I can do that with cerato, allo, dilo, and carno. Don't need Maia to do that.

[@ihavenoidea5845]

That's why we need more exclusive herbie mechanics that make it fun

[@grendel8342]

@@ihavenoidea5845 no, just stop with playable herbivores. Omnivores literally do what they do but better and carnivores have a reason to interact with others on a base level. Playable herbs are literally a temporary gimmick of testing from early legacy that ended up sticking around because the community wouldn't stop crying about dondi taking them away later in development.

[@ihavenoidea5845]

@@grendel8342 But the game isn't gonna work with people only killing each other. It would be lame having only herbie AI. I think nesting is truly gonna make herbies more fun. Aswell as forming giant herds and migrating. Also being hunted can be fun. Herbies are just a very different playstyle, but I think can absolutely be fun with more to do. Like when they implement droughts or needing to keep up with more needs for your dinosaur and also nesting. It's gonna make it harder to survive, you won't only be treathened by carnivores and you have more to do. I think then they will really be fun to use