The Case Against Engineering

[@jimw7550]

Chemical Engineer, 71 yo, worked 1986 to 2020. Companies are now hiring H1b’s (Indian & Chinese) that work for much less and are sending at least one half of the work overseas to low cost work centers. I was fortunate to have worked in that time. I have plenty for my retirement.

[@SimicChameleon]

How is chemical engineering world. Cindy crawford former goal was chemical engineering until she became a model instead of

[@alexandru5369]

Bingo been saying mass migration affects everyone sooner or later

[@s99614]

Ex engineer here. You don't want to be an engineer because companies outsource it all to third world countries.

[@teddycooke8145]

Ye but what other career path give you the stability and recognition?

[@SirInsaneJP]

@@teddycooke8145 I recommend aircraft dispatching. Search ‘Aviation ADX test’ and start studying. Great career, it’s union at a many airlines, and has increased demand in the aviation industry. $100k+ career start. At the major airlines, your top out base pay is $200k+ after 10 years.

[@coltsgood99]

So what should I be for most money?

[@suad01]

That won't end badly

[@skylinefever]

It's part of the enshittification agenda. Only the Burnham Managerial class is ever going to get wealthier.

[@petroboomn7491]

Another aspect to consider when talking to friends who "started making the big bucks when they got an MBA" is connections (nepotism). I have a few friends/acquaintances who had a well connected dad, uncle, or dad's best friend who was able to land them an instant in to management level role at big companies "if they just got their MBA" and for them it did pay off, cuz that job was waiting and it was a great gig. I also know folks who went and got the MBA just to find out that it doesn't land them the great gig they imagined, or it does get them a job with more responsibility, but not a huge pay increase.

[@skylinefever]

It is another reason why college and pay are distorted. Some of the big ones have members of family business and attend that college and get a degree. It isn't so much that they even aspired to go to that college or get a certain type of degree. They did it because it was part of the family business. Such people could get one of the toilet paper diplomas, but if they can keep that family business going, that degree looks a little less like toilet paper. Rightly or wrongly, I do not like nepo babies.

[@dougfox1967]

I have an engineering double major, an MBA, and a law degree and am a patent attorney. If you are already making $140 a year, Cappy is right, you have it good. As a patent prosecution attorney you may be able to make $200k or more per year within 5-10 years, but you'll likely have to live in a high cost coastal city and you'll have 3 years in law school with low earnings and at least $130k in debt. (search average salary for patent prosecution attorney) Don't bother with an MBA unless, as Cappy said, the company you work for is pushing you to get one (and is willing to pay for it). MBAs are common.

[@leet8017]

I'm a software engineer, have been for the past 10 years. I don't understand the issue. Make the money, keep costs low and invest it, check out early if you want. Why be disillusioned with a good income

[@ThatGuyz82]

I have an accounting degree. When I was told I needed one, I asked why would I need one if my bachelors was superior to an MBA. I was told whatever I thought was wrong, so I demonstrated it. They dropped it and I got promoted.

[@trentvlak]

Noice!

[@langnostic5157]

The Software Engineer job market is getting harder because of all the recent lay-offs. I was a part of that too, in a mid-size Startup. But it's still worth it for now. It's a skill that is still needed. Our world runs on computers now, and AI can't replace the sheer number of hours spent maintaining everything.

[@MgtowRubicon]

If houses were built the way that software is built, then the first woodpecker to come along would destroy civilization. No wonder that software maintenance takes so long.

[@langnostic5157]

​@MgtowRubicon yeah, a lot of it is crap that got deployed and now everyone is stuck with it. And like one guy somewhere is maintaining a critical package for internet encryption or something. Yeah. Wouldn't be surprised if we have another CloudStrike (or whatever they were called) incident in 5 - 10 years or less.

[@thespadestable]

People don't understand those jobs are sensitive to the rise and fall of the economy. When things are good, there are jobs. When the economy tanks, and companies/firms begin to cut payroll, don't be shocked you get the heave-ho.

[@langnostic5157]

@thespadestable It's more complicated than that. Low Interest debt and VC money is the life blood of Tech, at least for software. Sometimes it takes years to get a usable product to market, and who knows if ppl are gonna adopt it. When debt is harder to get/maintain, and VC money gets skiddish, that's when heads START to roll. Now we're seeing a "shift to profit structures", a.k.a. "our runway is burning up and our investors want returns. Let's cut a bunch of ppl that are costing us millions in labor".

[@thespadestable]

@@langnostic5157 - Dude. When a company has to tighten their financial belt, one of the first things that is cut is payroll. When production demands slows down, when customers demanding for services slows down, the fat begins to get trimmed. There is nothing "complicated" about that. And it's amazing number of claimed "software" engineers we have within these comment threads? Typical social media lies like everyone is making 6 figures, they own their homes outright, they've invested in real estate, they are set for life, they are Red Pilled, and they will soon be moving overseas to find a submissive wife. 🤣

[@rockpadstudios]

I have a BSEE and I ended up writing embedded firmware, now for medical devices. The hardware background from my degree helps me write code that interacts with hardware. I just interviewed at 62 and got the job. Yes you have to have a lot going for you but much of it can be learned. I see so many people coasting and that is dangerous when recessions take your job. As you age you have to be more extroverted, you have to learn to work with teams and difficult individuals sometimes. The run of the mill IT software jobs are difficult because the languages and tools are changing so quickly. I've been lucky to continue to work with C but Rust is taking over so we are seeing some changing in the embedded space.

[@ro6742]

With that talent if you still HAVE to work at 62……..something went wrong somewhere. 🤷‍♂️

[@rockpadstudios]

@@ro6742 I can retire - I did reset almost to zero after a divorce in my 40's but managed to rebuild (never get married).

[@josephcoluccio604]

Who else feels like this modern life is just not worth it

[@JohnMiller-iu2sx]

*modern _western_ life. Im working on a 6 year plan to get out. Im trying to dump $10K a year into stocks and get a rental or 2.

[@MgtowRubicon]

@@JohnMiller-iu2sx Better to get passive income from owning seller finance notes. No tenants, no toilets, no turnover.

[@skylinefever]

@@JohnMiller-iu2sx Japan and South Korea are eastern. It hasn't fixed their rates of self termination.

[@JohnMiller-iu2sx]

@@skylinefever "eastern"

[@skylinefever]

@@JohnMiller-iu2sx How are they not eastern? It is on the eastern part of the map. It has very little of the European diaspora living there. This is why some people discussed industrialized or urbanized vs agricultural.

[@aaron6622]

I'm a patent attorney. Still a good job, and I recommend it to people with STEM degrees who are interested in law, but those are so few and far between that's part of the reason it's a good job, because the competition is light. It's one of the few fields of law still worth going into.

[@psilocybemusashi]

hey i'm an HVAC engineer licensed in CA for 24 years and i have an interest in law.... how do i become a patent atty.

[@aaron6622]

@@psilocybemusashi First, you do need a law degree. This is one of those jobs you actually need a degree for. But I recommend first looking around at patent offices and/or a company looking to hire an in-house attorney, and set yourself up with a job before you start paying for more tuition.

[@thispersonrighthere9024]

sorry, but i have a chemistry degree (biggest regret of my life), and all the patent attorney jobs want you to have a PhD in chemistry AND a law degree! *fuck that*

[@aaron6622]

@@thispersonrighthere9024 My degree was in bioelectrical engineering, and so I got work in robotics patenting, particularly relating to robotic arms.

[@HueyFreeman-l7m]

​@thispersonrighthere9024 lol not to mention you have to take TWO Bar exams. The standard bar exam and the patent bar exam. Oh yeah and last time I checked the patent bar has a 50 percent pass rate. It's kept hard to gatekeep the niche since law is saturated with attorneys.

[@stevend8785]

Cap has a point about Boomers finally leaving. CPA here. I couldn’t ever get a promotion or even buy a practice but now that Boomers want to transition the pipeline is dry. I’ve been at it 25 years and don’t have the energy like that anymore.

[@thespadestable]

They are leaving, but you still have Gen X'ers in the pipeline. We are rounding out our 50's and very late 40's and will be in the pipeline for a while. Notably the late year Gen X'ers.

[@stevend8785]

@@thespadestable They can have it. I’m only 50 but I can’t handle it anymore. I can no longer cope with the stress and dealing with idiots and assholes.

[@ro6742]

@@stevend8785same here…..I left at 53. The Boomers wouldn’t leave until TheVID scared them all into retirement. I looked around at what I was going to inherit. A bunch of Backstabbing broke fellow Gen X, Whiney Millennials and Clueless ZOOMERs who will turn me into HR in a heart beat for “micro aggressions”……phuck dat chit……I’m out. Just keep the lights on boys……I’m going fishing. Buh…bye. 🖕😎🤚

[@teddycooke8145]

140k and still complaining.. smh

[@HansZimmer-b1r]

I never cared about the money, I wanted stability and a wife. The women are destroyed and companies no longer offer stability.

[@tylercampbell6058]

Yeah 140k and single? You ought to be stacking 70k plus per year in investments. You’re financially free in 10 years and then you can keep playing for more fun money if you want to.

[@dr.elvis.h.christ]

140k! Live off 40-50k and invest the rest. You'll have FU money to burn and should easily retire 10-20 years earlier.

[@tylercampbell6058]

@@dr.elvis.h.christ at 140k and single his taxes might be $30-40k depending on where he lives. Subtract $70k for investments and you are left with $30-40k to live on so even less than what you are telling him to live on. It’s doable.

[@dr.elvis.h.christ]

@@tylercampbell6058 Governmafia extortion is just a fact of life we have to live with but 140k is still a lot when so many out there are getting by on 40k.

[@jakejennings5152]

Yep! 100%! Five years if he goes minimalist, lives off only $30k year, and buys a rundown shit shack to roommate with two other dudes in a 3/2 trailer home on an acre in the sticks, and sets aside every red cent!

[@HueyFreeman-l7m]

​@tylercampbell6058 lol with inflation and rising standards of living in 5 years the purchasing power of that money will be cut by almost have. Skills development and soloprenuerships or have fun coping via "Minimalism"

[@chrisregimbal2073]

All engineering isn't software engineering

[@skylinefever]

Mechanics resistant to economic downturns? I worked in auto repair and no it does not. Harder times just mean people beat on their cars more and avoiding repairs. It means those drivers have their oil change sticker peeling off. It means they are driving on tires with cables coming the side. If the alternator can keep the battery juiced, and if the starter will work if smacked with a hammer, so what if their car has the electrical function of a haunted house? Warning lights? Put electrical tape over it. Did Cappy ever read Burnham's Managerial Revolution? I often say it has the points that other economists missed. Economics of scale was supposed to mean that mergers would lower the price of our goods. Burnham could see how the professional managerial class would reap all the benefits. Economists understand that enshittification happens when too few companies own too much of the market. Burnham's argument was about how the PMC were going to pull it off. Burnham wrote the book in the 1940s. He saw then kind of person who would become the MBA. I can't in good conscience promote the engineering degree. Maybe those do turn out sometimes. I do not want to claim to know the future, as the future turned to vaporware too many times. I like the Cappy take that you should rent the dudebro MBA life. Those guys might look great in Instagram photos. What is it like when such people must touch grass?

[@cryora]

I got charged $240 for 1.5 hours of labor just for adjusting tie rods, which already is part of the alignment process, on top of the $120 alignment itself. Granted I did have a seized pinch bolt for the steering shaft that needed time to fix. But that is some expensive labor wages there. Could probably have figured out how to do it myself, but I don't have my own lift and alignment machine.

[@skylinefever]

@@cryora those who DIY suspension repairs tend to do the repair themselves with the right tutorial. Afterwards, the first place they drive is an auto repair shop and they pay for an alignment. I never encountered a case where adjusting jam nut or turnbuckle tierod ends was not included in price of repair. When DIY-ing certain types of tie rod ends, there are certain cars and trucks that allow tierod end replacement with basic tools. Others need a special tool. It can be rented if you buy auto parts from Advance Auto, Autozone, or O'reilly. You put a deposit and get 100% back if you do not damage the tool. Last year, I did replace front inner and outer tierod ends on my car. I kept my special tierod end tool from my career. I then drove to a nearby auto repair shop and paid the standard price of alignment. I was able to pay less for alignment than you, but that was because my local Rent N Roll had a huge Groupon discount at the time. Unless your car had some kind of damage or other problem, I think you were conned by being charged more than standard alignment price. $120 may have been a fair standard alignment price in your area. I am suspicious of the 1.5 hour of labor charges. I feel so fortunate that I can also do repairs to cars that belong to other family members and protect them against ripoffs.

[@cryora]

@@skylinefever The first auto shop I went to said they couldn't do the alignment cause they think the rack and pinion "might not" have been installed correctly. I had actually installed the rack and pinion myself and it took me about 6 days, 6 hours each day. It's possible I might have messed up the alignment, but from what I can tell, the wheels were straight, and I counted 17 full turns when screwing the tie rod ends on both sides. It was just the steering wheel, where the steering shaft connected to the rack and pinion, that wasn't aligned. The second auto shop said one of the tie rods ran out of threads for adjustment, so they have to tighten the other tie rod in order to give the first one more thread. I guess that would have meant taking the tie rod off the steering knuckle, but it should have been easy, because they were newly installed tie rods and aren't seized up.

[@docvolt5214]

I have no degree, I still design and program industrial automation in Europe. Life is good. Money is excellent. Universities are overrated. But again I'm in Europe, in the US a piece of paper is indispensable for anything unlike here

[@broadestsmiler]

That is super interesting to hear. I am from the United States and the stereotype is the opposite -- many Americans believe that Europeans place credentials at a higher value than practical experience, and vice versa.

[@dalamar_argent]

I'm gonna leave my two cents here, but given the type of question and the background info given, it's completely going to be a case of "hear me now, believe me later." 1. Engineering manager here at a big tech company. No MBA. All the way up to director level, most don't. For teams doing real work that is critical to the function of the company, temperament matters more than that piece of paper representing a ton of debt. Start lifting weights if you're not. If you are, hit it harder b/c it's not getting into your thick head yet. 2. If you're chasing "Hail Mary" hacks in life, it'll never end. Each one will prove disappointing, and you'll basically be a gambler chasing the next high b/c you see someone else at the casino winning big (I wonder why hmmm...other commenters here seem to have some ideas hint hint). Sad part is some of the "Hail Mary" hacks will work, like the 140k salary you already have, and you don't have the sense to walk away and milk that shit and build on it. There are smart ways to gamble and win, but chasing the next hit ain't it. The request read as basically an expensive "please give me permission and validation to keeping gambling Mr. Cappy". Have at it bro. Hope you zero out sooner rather than later so you can start your actual life.

[@reptilesgamers00]

Well said

[@jkbrown5496]

Engineering or other hard STEM trains the brain for the strict logic needed for legal analysis. So engineers do find law school easier since it is just learning the law instead of trying to learn to think like a lawyer.

[@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756]

I imagine IT would be good at it. Anyone doing user acceptance testing on a tool learns where things bend, break, and cannot be touched. Just need to add in the law language and some experience, but that's not too hard when you are already used to learning new software and languages every 6 months

[@free_at_last8141]

There is such a fine line between a project manager that actually helps projects get done and one that just has meetings and takes credit for the hard work of others.

[@tylercampbell6058]

Cappy’s 4 minute MBA. Nailed it dude.

[@bocadelcieloplaya3852]

I started out doing medical xrays, an associates. Went back to earn an engineering degree, took a few years after graduation and the job I got was low paying, after 10 years, I said f’it and went to a different company. So did a few of my more experienced colleagues. The peeps they hired to replace me were getting paid 5k more than me. I did the math, and if I had just got a second job and put it all on a market index like voo, I would be better off than having gone back for the engineer degree and getting depressed I couldn’t find a egr job for so long. Just my 2%.

[@reptilesgamers00]

I'm actually considering going back to school for either medical x-ray or engineering. Do you have any modalities like MRI? Did you end up staying in engineering?

[@ardentglazier2867]

IME engineering degrees are best when coupled with other disciplines, like EE+math, EE+cogsci, civil / mechanical +MBA, EE+CS, etc. etc. Most problems I've worked on in the real world end up crossing the line between multiple skill sets, and if you have the skill and experience to switch gears when necessary you're more broadly employable. As an employer or program manager I always found single-discipline people (particularly "CS" people) to be less that useless because most of them didn't know how to use a screwdriver (true story).

[@brandonburum8279]

I totally believe this. I’m a chemist who wishes I had done engineering somewhere. The opposite works too: if you have just chemistry or biochemistry or physics or something, you still have to learn an applicational platform such that you can engineer that one platform. This is why advisors are starting to do a better job of pushing the need to do summer internships, except the summer internships are usually a corporate paint-by-numbers tax break. So, yeah… If I could do my life over again, I would couple mechanical engineering with a chemistry minor and a couple biology courses thrown in. Some high school, like mine, even offered an first responder/EMT-B course. So, that could expose one to medical applications for ideas and some direction for independent study.

[@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756]

​@@brandonburum8279yeah entry level or adjacent jobs should be a part of the college curriculum. I get it would be hard to manage, but for engineering level, you have to know the adjacent positions and their tools to build for them

[@dubcityknights]

JUST FINDING CAD PEOPLE IS IMPOSSIBLE YET THE PAY RATE FOR A QUALIFIED CAD PERSON IS SUPPRESSED EVEN TO THE EXTENT OF WHY BOTHER AND CAD IS NONEBACHOLERS YET HR QUALIFIER IS BACHELORS

[@--Morpheus--]

Almost like its not a free market

[@bocadelcieloplaya3852]

Do you mean Autocad?

[@cryora]

That doesn't make sense, unless companies only want CAD people for cheap and are managing to get by without CAD people.

[@anthonydavis6027]

Last engineering firm I worked at two of my project managers and another higher up all didn't have degrees. All their work was from years of experience. People who held masters degrees in engineering really didn't need it yet still made the same money as people who held bachelor's degree. Now most states don't require any degree to get your professional license, just verify your years of experience and take the exam. One of my project managers did pass his PE without having a bachelor's degree but his past criminality prevented the state to give him a license.

[@willhunting8733]

Aren’t there very few states where you can sit for licensure (I guess that would be the FE exam for a discipline, then have to get hired to work for a few years to qualify to sit for the PE exam,…) without a degree?

[@MerrimanDevonshire]

Which Engineering Degree? A degree which gets you a professional license? Folks like Perot, Ellison, and Gates killed that concept decades ago for "Software Engineering." Mechanical, Electrical, Civil... ?

[@MrFranklitalien]

I have a feeling they'll never run out of need for mechanical ;)

[@Gunzy83]

Lol as a computer systems engineer (electronics and software), the gatekeeper electrical engineers in the professional bodies have done about as much to turn off software engineers from getting chartered as any of those big tech guys.

[@njnear]

That is absolutely correct. All you need to do is look at the curriculum for computer science compared to any traditional engineering degree and you will see that there is very little cross-discipline capability with a computer science or information systems degree. I have a lot of respect for computer science majors, but it is NOT an engineering degree.

[@dr.elvis.h.christ]

@@njnear I've found the only people doing really well in IT/Computers are those with multiple disciplines. Being able to write code, etc... just isnt' enough but if you can code AND know accounting then you will be a hot property.

[@cryora]

​@@dr.elvis.h.christUnless you know too much, in which case people will think you should be working for NASA or running your own company and won't want to hire you.

[@myematic]

Biomedical/Mechanical engineer here who went to medical school. Best decision and no regrets

[@reptilesgamers00]

You went to medical after getting a degree in mechanic engineering? Why?

[@ViatoremDiEfa]

@@reptilesgamers00it’s a much better profession. Stable income. No or little outsourcing.

[@reptilesgamers00]

@@ViatoremDiEfa I'd like to hear more. Is out sourcing that big of a problem? I was considering going to school for x ray tech. Are you a PA or Doc?

[@Marcara081]

Every supervisor I've ever had was an engineer of some stripe. Companies use the degree as an IQ test. That's about it. I get paid more too, as a wagie, then I add 3 premiums on top of that. So it's doubly pathetic that they went into debt to get a career where they make 80% of what I do. I also work fewer hours.

[@DisposableSupervillainHenchman]

What exactly do you do for a living?

[@Marcara081]

@@DisposableSupervillainHenchman A trade with multiple of us onsite. Don't want to elaborate. Interesting though that obviously, none of us would become a supervisor to be paid less and work more hours. So the companies in this sector get 'smart' kids (know-nothings) to act as supervisors (and managers, forgot to mention that) who are the go-betweens between us and corporate. It's like they want people with no ties to the industry who will just do what they're told. Which I suspect is the point. Corporate also shuffles them out every 3-5 years or so, in order to prevent anyone from getting too attached. It's alarming, generally speaking, since it's not just us. Guys across our union (it's huge) and in other big unions have observed the very same thing happening. I used to think it was just us.

[@SimicChameleon]

He should be pride in engineering. That 28 year old is way ahead of the game in life. Meanwhile my neet sister is married with a 28 year old loser who doesn't have a job. As a behalf for engineering. It is fascination of learning physics 1 aka issac newton, physic 2 about electricity, and physics 3 aka modern about quantum, nuclear, optic and other physics. He is going look back at deathbed with huge impressive from others.

[@HueyFreeman-l7m]

Your fascinations don't automatically equate to your wallet expanding with $$$.

[@tagert1975]

Engineering has a poor work/pay ratio. This has been the case since the 1980s. H1b visas are used to undermine salaries. Many companies expect insane working hours and don't consider the quality of your work to be of any value. They would rather sub-contract in China and get something cheap and fast that has problems immediately or later on. What's worse is being good at engineering means a stagnate career. The people who get promoted are those who can't do the work and spend their time playing corporate politics The cry of an engineer shortage among the US born has been on-going for decades but paying for them is out of the question. Thus those smart enough to be engineers often go for things that are less work and more pay per unit work, if just not plain more pay.

[@michaellarson775]

If you are an engineer looking to get a masters degree, consider a masters in project management. You could get a pmp certification, but that requires maintenance to maintain.

[@TakeMeToTheTruth]

Masters in Data Science is not an engineer. By working at a firm, he may be “Engineering Adjacent,” like someone in HR at that firm is “Engineering Adjacent,” but would take their view with a major grain of salt. To be fair, Engineering (EE, ME, CE, ChemE) is a lot more regional than it used to be. Good wages are highly concentrated in the gulf south, the NE and SW. The rest of the nation pays half as much. That said, if you are in one of the high demand areas, there’s lots of jobs. Job security isn’t great because it’s typically cyclical with the commodity groups supported (pharma in the NE and SW, refining and chemicals on the gulf coast), and so an engineering degree isn’t a one way ticket to a 40 year career with a single company and a gold watch. That shit died for all careers and all industries 30 years ago when I was a kid. That said, there are few options I know of where kids from the right schools with good GPAs and a 4 year degree walks into a six figure job

[@camgere]

I agree that STEM degrees and year of experience are great combined with an MBA. A newly minted MBA isn't going to interested in working on the factory floor or the paper work handling jobs. Companies desperately need employees who do have technical knowledge of their business. The MBA may just be a CYA certificate, so that if the employee goes bad they can say "but he was CERTIFIED for management." Can't do that if you just promote someone. Too risky.

[@johnkretz7734]

"All HR women are Beaker" cracked me up. 😂

[@gravfielddrive]

Engineering is doing just fine. Bachelors is fine. EE, ME, ChemE, CE, you'll do fine. Just be good and driven. I am getting hit up by recruiters daily, for great $.

[@aussiewanderer6304]

That's if you're experienced. I'm 20+ years in the industry, but many companies aren't investing in graduates, opting to keep offering more money for older workers to stay. The other issue is that unless you're a female engineer, you can kiss most graduate positions goodbye if a halfway reasonable female graduate is applying. Even with my experience I have been let go (along with a bunch of other male engineers) from two different companies because I wasn't a female engineer. I'm currently being courted by one of those companies to come back because they "just don't have enough internal knowledge." Apparently the capable female engineers were either poached or moved up the management ladder out of engineering.

[@jth_printed_designs]

​@@aussiewanderer6304 If you go back, do it as a 1099 consultant for 4x your previous pay

[@reptilesgamers00]

​@@aussiewanderer6304not saying you're wrong, but this just bs office politics. Keep at it. You sound demoralized

[@dudehe7117]

Don't get your MBA. 1) Start with a sales job 2) Read books 3)Take accounting courses 4) EA optional 5)Data analytics 6)Data Science (statistics) 7)Take care of your health.

[@seinfan9]

The more money you make as an engineer, the higher your chances are of getting caught up in a layoff. If you want something that provides a bit more job security in the respective fields, be prepared to be underpaid, work long hours, and be lucky enough to be in an industry that has very little competition such that it's the norm for people to stay somewhere for 10+ yrs at a time.

[@jackieboy1593]

The better option is taking a few 100-140k jobs working remote, instead of shooting for the stars with FANG or upper management positions. Taking multiple remote jobs is good insurance, just make sure not to raise your lifestyle beyond half of one job's income.

[@dr.elvis.h.christ]

I think one consideration here that hasn't been mentioned is what type of engineer? I doubt that all disciplines of engineering are equal. One may be waning while another is going strong. Regardless there is still the issue of overseas competition from places where salaries are still a fraction of those in highly developed countries. I don't blame companies for lowering cost though in some cases, it's at the expense of quality.

[@Spacemanpan]

I wonder if Boeing needs new Aerospace Engineers, or would it be a better choice to go to work for Space-X ?

[@sandbergmachineandtool6226]

They both suck to work for. Sub contracted for both of them. Disorganized shit shows with too many women in the wrong jobs.

[@dr.elvis.h.christ]

I wouldn't go anywhere near any of Elon's scams. It only a matter of time until people wake up, causing his entire bubble to burst.

[@deker0954]

​@@dr.elvis.h.christhe has ticked off the government that made him a millionaire.

[@aman8755]

It’s not easy to find structural engineers and when I do, they are back up 2-6 months.

[@trentvlak]

MechE state school, didn't go PE, don't work in engineering. You're 18-22, state schools aren't that expensive, yes, go get your ME and bang the psychology girls. This will be purely for your personal development and enjoyment.

[@jimmierustler4887]

Cue a European poster responding with "just make college free!".

[@Mens_Rights]

@williampmcd Do you want everybody to be chaperoned by their elders until they're old and grey, themselves, or does an adult, at some point, become an adult and start having the right to make his own decisions, even when that means making his own mistakes?

[@deker0954]

Sounds like an asinine system you want.

[@collin9085]

I hate how broad of a term engineering is. If you are not talking about the built environment (e.g. buildings, cars, planes, infrastructure, appliances, etc) the job should not be called an engineer. Like a bio-medical engineer is a scientist. A software engineer is a programmer. This guy studied data science. that means he is a statistician.

[@CountDookuful]

I disagree. I don't think that mechanical engineer that never gets closer to a "built environment" than a cad file, or a civil engineer that only files reports, is more impressive than a software engineer.

[@collin9085]

@@CountDookuful You missed my point. Has nothing to do with being more or less impressive. Just has to do with language being clear. Engineer means too many things. Even janitors are often called custodial engineers. I clicked on this video thinking he is discussing one profession, and he's really studied a subset of computer sciences.

[@psilocybemusashi]

i have been an engineer for 24 years... i think i know more than you about it good sir cappy. hahahaa

[@stevensenator4804]

Patent lawyers do quite well. Or at least they used to.

[@Connery007neckache]

My neighbor was a retired patent lawyer. He had a shit ton of money.

[@Justinacefire1]

Jesus engineers make great money. $140K and complaining? I'm going into accounting and will be happy to make that. With the CPA it's possible. I'm not smart enough to do engineering so accounting is the best option for me.

[@DeathAndTaxesAbolitionist]

Remember, we have progressive income tax to make everyone equal. It's only possible to make that in liberal shitholes like coastal California or Taxachusettes. What you make after taxes, rent or mortgage interest and commuting costs is a fraction of that.

[@seinfan9]

Depends on where you are. 140k in commiefornia or new pork is entry level and is somewhat comfortable for a single guy on his own. That'd be a nice salary in a place like Tennessee or Arkansas to support a small family.

[@ro6742]

Engineering immediately sentences you to life in corporate America…..a hellscape of DEI and HR Karens and offended co-workers. Just don’t.

[@MurphWilds]

🔥

[@nimblefred2932]

EE with ~5 year to retirement. MBA? Promotion to mgmt? Thanks but no thanks.

[@TC2020-w8u]

If your good enough at math to be an engineer. Get a degree in finance. Or just straight math.

[@seinfan9]

Lmao Clarey has a finance degree. He'd be the first to say no to that. Being good enough at math for engineering is not the same level of being good enough at math to major in it. Plus you need to tailor a path with some career that specifically benefits from farming math majors.

[@TC2020-w8u]

@@seinfan9 either one would get you in at a trading desk.

[@jamesbohling4864]

Engineering is a short time career. You need an exit plan by age 40 to the dark side

[@sebastiandelao6661]

All HR women are bigger he means from the muppet show boycott Mexican beer

[@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756]

Its a choice between opportunity cost or improvement. Engineering is great at expanding your skills and mind while potentially landing good work, but youll start making money later and spend hours studying in mostly male groups. Your not likely going to succeed while doing frat life and youre probably going to be broke and struggle to meet girls in your without putting effort into it. After all of that l, you have to roll the dice in actually landing a career job. If you succeed, then youll make decent money and be more learned overall. If you fail or slip into college depression, youre going to be in for a rough time

[@cryora]

What's so special about frat life? Partying with a bunch of other men? Or something stupid like being in an honors frat that is all about being studious and successful, but also being fratty to some degree but nothing too crazy? Why would meeting girls be a big deal when most of them are fat anyway and more of a negative than a positive?

[@ynkybomber]

I have an MBA I work in insurance with a bunch of peers who do not have a bachelors. Not really worth it

[@JBressler3]

I also have worked in insurance as an insurance adjuster. My job as a bodily injury insurance adjuster pays almost 100k per year work from home if I could go back in time I would tell myself to get a job in the mailroom at an insurance company and go into sales actuarial or adjusting. Adjusting is recession proof and if you are smart you n enough to get a degree you can moonlight contract work. You can do this with no degree no debt if I had not been married would be done working in 7-10 years.