The Catholic Position on Justification - Robert C. Koons

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Tyler McNabb
Christopher Tomaszewski
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[@christopherjohnson1873]

I thought this was a new, full-length video. Feelsbadman

[@TheBrunarr]

Well, he did upload a new full-length video today on idealism

[@intellectualcatholicism]

Hehehe

[@intellectualcatholicism]

If it makes you feel better, I'm going to have Matthew Levering and Erick Ybarra on the show. ;)

[@TheBrunarr]

@@intellectualcatholicism dope

[@dave1370]

It's interesting to me that Justification by faith without our own efforts can be found throughout the early church fathers. Trent would need to anathematize Chrysostom, Clement of Rome, Ambrose, Ambrosiaster, Basil, Hilary of Poitiers, Cyril of Alexandria, Ignatius, Irenaeus, and others if actually consistently applied.

[@lhinton281]

Chrysostom, Ambrosiaster, and Aquinas use the phraseology of “faith alone,” and the Catholic Church accepts that as a reality in initial justification. Dead in Adam, you cannot merit any grace or impress God or save yourself by works. Even the good works we do in Christ are done by the Spirit’s power under our Heavenly Father. So they are not strictly meriting anything from God, but are the increase in justification that Paul speaks of (e.g. Romans 6:16). The reward is eternal life (Romans 2:6-11, Gal 6:7-10). No Catholic should even trust his works or boast in himself. Rather, we should glory in Jesus Christ our Life and Hope and King who indwells us and loves us. Amen!

[@councilofflorence4896]

You have completely misinterpreted both the Fathers, and the Catholic position.

[@craigsherman4480]

I have never thought of it infused righteousness that way with Peter and Christ!

[@jonathanroberts9321]

I'd recommend that you all read Martin Chemnit'z "Examination of the Council of Trent" if you want to move away from equivocations.

[@lhinton281]

@Intellectual Conservatism, I am have a question regarding the state of a believer prior to baptism. God counts faith as righteousness (Romans 4:3, 5, 23-25)and justifies us by His grace in Christ through baptism (Rom 6:1-4). How does God count faith as righteousness prior to the virtue of faith freely given in union with Jesus at baptism? Aquinas said that God counts faith as righteousness because it is the beginning of God’s work of righteousness in us. Your thoughts?

[@PLA5207]

It was/is a "deformation" not 'reformation.'

[@larrybedouin2921]

Our works could never bring about saving faith. Our faith of Jesus is wrought in our works (fruit). Without faith, Abraham would never have obeyed to make a sacrifice of Issac unto God. His works were wrought in his faith.

[@jonathanroberts9321]

"What's in it for God" can we get some Thomists in the room plz?

[@m.l.pianist2370]

I think Dr. Koons is a brilliant philosopher, but he's simply wrong in 5:22 when he says the idea "once saved, always saved" is a late doctrine, first appearing in the 19th century. The idea can be found in the 1600's in the Canons of Dort and the Westminster Confession.

[@Augustinianismus]

In the history of the Church, the 1600s would still count as a "late doctrine".

[@m.l.pianist2370]

Sure, but Dr. Koons specifically said it first appeared in the 19th century.

[@mickeyesoum3278]

Sure, but it's still a super late doctrine - only appearing in the 1600s.

[@lilwaynesworld0]

@Prasanth Thomas I am sure it was an honest mistake sometimes Lutherans forget their where Calvinist involved during the reformation as well :) But yes Once Saved Always Saved was still a late doctrine post Luther and is still popular today despite the historical and biblical evidence against it. It such an attractive doctrine and one wants to be true for obvious reasons and is probably more believed in America than anywhere else. Thus the honest mistake that's its American in origin.

[@rclendenning88]

OSAS is a strawman of what Calvinist believe about the perseverance of the saints.