The CFMoto Ibex 800 Camshaft TRUTH That Will Change Everything!

[@vwcorradopower1]

problems is not in cam shafts but in design of head(oil lubrication)

[@FMC-20244]

@@vwcorradopower1 you are absolutely right!!! Thanks for watching!!!

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

Can a modification fix it? ​@@FMC-20244

[@pinguzoe]

what about a oil pump that cant pump the pressure needed under 4000 ±1000 rpm?

[@FMC-20244]

@@pinguzoe honestly that’s my opinion on the overall idea. If you watch my video with the ktm manual that’s exactly what I talk about there.

[@SingleSpeederLife]

I don't think it's the camshaft hardness. Has anyone taken a camshaft from each manufacturer and had them tested? Also, doesn't CFmoto make the engine? It seems like they could have fixed the design before making another motorcycle with it. I’m wondering if CFmoto is using old 2018-2020 parts to build these motors. Have we seen posts about newer 2021+ 790s having the same problems? I know KTM updated the oiling design and finger followers.

[@theaustralianconundrum]

I opened up the top ends of a 2023 KTM 390 and a 2023 Yamaha MT-03 and the difference is like night and day. And this is with Yamaha making them in their Indonesia factory. The Yamaha philosophies of “Monozukuri is Hitozukuri” means that the engineering and manufacturing that goes into creating products is also about the nurturing and development of the very personnel who create them. Yamaha CARE about their employees AND their customers as well as taking pride in quality manufacturing, assembly QC and performance and product longevity and reliability.

[@FMC-20244]

@@theaustralianconundrum absolutely right!! And that moto is really applied by the big four Japanese manufacturers!!!

[@robvanduren761]

I personally place Yamaha and Kawasaki at the top of my list.

[@theaustralianconundrum]

@ I have owned many versions of the big four Japanese and honestly I have never had a single issue with any of them and that's from 1967-2025. I'd guess 44 bikes owned in that time.

[@micyclesport]

Well put

[@stefanmargraf7878]

Never looked for something like that in my XT 660R. 80.000km still going strong.

[@fanman4230]

Whilst under warranty are the dealers stuck with having to use a particular brand of oil? Does the camshaft rely solely on oil jets for lube? Are the contact points between the rocker and cam too small? Are the valve springs too strong? Is the correct heat treatment process being used on the cam and all relevant contact points? So many possibilities.

[@constantinosschinas4503]

I have read that the issue affects only bikes made in Austria with Austrian VIN nuumbers. It was an offset drilling at the head that blocked oil flow. Who knows.

[@FMC-20244]

@@constantinosschinas4503 that was supposedly for the ktm. Many failed cam bikes here in the USA 🇺🇸

[@WetFeet4]

Interesting. I think my 2020 790 must be made in Austria, I’ll have to do some research.

[@gxtoast2221]

Compared to some KTM CAMs in the 890 engine. We need to consider oil starvation possibly combined with some other conditions which together create the problem. I'd argue that the use of different oil pressure release springs in variations of the 890 engine is due to meeting Euro 5 standards. The RC8C has an 890 engine but a higher rated spring producing higher oil pressure. Put that RC8C spring in the 890 Duke R engine and see the idle and RPM pressure increase significantly.

[@gattoflyer]

Are the off road Ktm fourstrokes affected by camshaft problems. Ie ktm 250 excf etc

[@renoallstate4573]

There is no good info in this video

[@antonios990]

Thank you so much. As always your video are clear and professional. You explain everything based on facts. It's always a pleasure to watch your videos

[@FMC-20244]

@@antonios990 thank you so much!!! I do all I can to explain and proof my comment. Thanks for watching!!!

[@theaustralianconundrum]

@@FMC-20244 Good video! My 1973 Honda CB350 four still has it's original camshafts after 68,457 Km's. Admittedly it has been serviced correctly, and only ridden maybe several times a year and not treated poorly however the entire top end and internal components look literally brand new still. It is air cooled and yet is quieter than a water cooled KTM! Explain this to me. ;-))

[@FMC-20244]

@ thank you!! Absolutely, I owned bikes with over 100k on them with 0 cam wear. Camshafts are not service items. Thanks for watching!!

[@theaustralianconundrum]

@@FMC-20244 Subscribed from Australia. Have a great 2025.

[@FMC-20244]

@ thank you for watching and subscribing!!! Cheers mate

[@Dean-does-Stuff-81]

I will say, this video proved nothing either way. It was simply click bait.

[@FMC-20244]

@@Dean-does-Stuff-81 so you saying that you can’t see the damage on the cf moto camshaft? Not even compared with the one from ktm that already is wearing at 2k ? It proves one simple question, if the the ibex is affected, and the answer is shown in the video, yes.

[@robert-wr6md]

I was confused

[@BlackdogADV]

Thanks for the videos. I’m a KTM and Husqvarna fanboy, I’m on a 701 now so I’m exempt. It’s nice staying informed on these matters.

[@FMC-20244]

@@BlackdogADV thank you for continuing watching them!!!

[@johnDukemaster]

So maybe all the cams are Made in China? Well, after 26000km on my 2020 Duke I just had to do a valvecheck. There was a screen at the rear rhs of the cams. (totally clean) Run the engine just to see how the oil looked like when coming out of the jets. It squirted better than a...hmm, better leave that out. Everything looked fine, I'm glad to report. And yes, I did my own valvecheck since I needed to know more than a "mechanic" would tell me. Yes, "mechanic". I must say, they really don't examine, they just go by the book. And that's just don't good enough in this situation. I bet it's the oil journals that are not matched properly. Quite narrow holes and to meet these up properly, they can not be that much out of synch. A hole in the head, then the lower bridge and then the top bridge. The tolerences in these cases must be very small. So in my opinion it's not enough to change the cams. One must turn the engine over in order to see if the system lubricates properly. Cheers!

[@FMC-20244]

@@johnDukemaster supposedly the ktm cams where coming from Germany and 🇬🇧 UK. But if the overall design flaw ( lubrication ) doesn’t get fixed it doesn’t matter who or where the cams are made, they all going to fail. Thanks for watching!!!

[@CharlesR.SteinruckIII]

The only cams made in China are the cams in KTMs with Chinese VIN#!!!KTM North America put out a statement on October 24 explaining everything about the problem. Read it for yourself. In short is says if you have a KTM with an Austrian VIN# you could have the issue. If you have a KTM with a Chinese VIN# you won't have the problem. Also, the cams and followers are not the problem. The reason KTM was so steadfast in saying there is nothing wrong with the cams was when bench testing the cams on the machine to simulate wear it passed the test. The thing was that test supplied adequate lubrication for the test. It is an oil starvation problem. It is from a misaligned oil journal in the milling process. The journal was milled in from two directions and did not meet centered to each other. Hence the restriction. It is not a weak oil pump They also go on to say no Austrian VIN# KTMs have any Chinese manufactured cams or any parts from China in them. CFMoto started manufacturing KTMs after January 2023.

[@benmartin6476]

My 2007 sxf450 had major scarring on cams after 2 hours and tons of shrapnel in the oil screen and on the magnet Ktm as always been crap

[@FMC-20244]

@@benmartin6476 man sorry to hear that!!! Thanks for watching!!!

[@robvanduren761]

I hope you can tell me you have never brought another one.??

[@bradleytyrrell4417]

If you stick to a regular maintenance schedule and use quality components most engines will be reliable for a long life providing you treat them well

[@torso99]

even on "bombproof" honda xrs and such you can get simular problems where some guy goes for houers in idle mode and the engine compleatly just clogs or wont lubricate... you can read forums and maybe even manuals req that you turn the idle up to atleast 1800 just to get the oil pump going... but still you got guys driving around like they have a worn cam belt hanging in treads

[@FMC-20244]

@@torso99 that’s correct 👍

[@Stephen-oy7fl]

It oil pressure thats the problem. Cycle World did a test on that family of engines. 20psi to 5000 rpm, 60psi above 5000rpm. Thats why riders who try to conserve their bikes end up destroying them. And if you measure the oil pressure up in then cam box, its barely a dribble. Time to say goodby to that engine completely as it can't be fixed.

[@davidwhiteford4936]

That's good to know, because that question has been on my mind often recently. I also have a strong suspicion that the KOVE 450 and 800 will suffer the same fate! I've been crossing my fingers hoping the KOVE 800 is not a dud, so far they are already sold out. It's looking more like I'll be getting the overweight Tenere after all, at least I'll be comfortable on the street and it'll run forever. Thanks very much for the info!!!

[@MERMBRAMA]

The camshafts on Kove800x cost around 200 eur pair. I would rather change them at 50000km for a price less than regular oil change on KTM790, and enjoy the lightness and powerful engine, than riding a heavy bike forever.

[@FMC-20244]

@@davidwhiteford4936 have no info yet of the kove but I’m working on that. I have a tenere and have no complaints. Thanks for watching!!!

[@WetFeet4]

450 completely different motor

[@billyandriam]

Well so this is another reason to avoid buying the 800MTX which is coming out this year.

[@FMC-20244]

@@billyandriam seems so, no fix in sight. Thanks for watching!!!

[@twasb2000]

Does this apply to the 700 engine

[@constantinosschinas4503]

The CF 700 engine derives from the kawasaki versys/ER-6, so it is a totally different engine.

[@human1513]

Thanx for your opinion. I am not and never have been a fan of KTM's.

[@FMC-20244]

@@human1513 I have been running the dirt bikes for years and love them. It’s the parallel twin that’s 💩. Thanks for watching!!!

[@andrewheadland9341]

What about the Kove 800 it’s ktm engine

[@Dazza-u4c]

CF MOTO makes the 790/890/901 engines so I guess the cam shafts are the same.

[@exupakias]

Are CFMOTO so CRAP as KTM?Yes this is 100% right.

[@FMC-20244]

@@exupakias thanks for watching!!!

[@constantinosschinas4503]

Which CFMoto? CF 700 has a kawasaki engine.

[@FMC-20244]

@@constantinosschinas4503 it’s the ibex800

[@constantinosschinas4503]

@@FMC-20244 I know, but he seemed like generalising.

[@benon2011]

Guten Tag, does this mean even the new Husqvarna Vitpilen and Svartpilen wiith the same heart will have the same problems??? That is not funny...

[@outdoorkreations7051]

Good video kept nice and secret 😅

[@FMC-20244]

@@outdoorkreations7051 good things are better kept on the low until going public. Thanks for watching!!!

[@sikador8627]

KOVE 800X the same engine ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIayn2WPaNyefKs

[@closedcasketcustoms]

When you can see heat discoloration on the camshafts.... Yeahhhhh not a good thing 🤣. Camshafts shouldn't be a consumable like KTM unofficially considers them.

[@FMC-20244]

@@closedcasketcustoms absolutely 💯 right!!! Thanks for watching!!!