The Chappell Roan Paradox

[@howimettheopera]

Remember when we all watched Britney colapse and scrutinized her endlessly and years later we went “oh yeah we shouldn’t have done that”? I feel like we don’t.

[@amethystimagination3332]

For real, now we see Chappell trying to save herself from a similar fate and they’re MAD at her for it.

[@so-calledpunk323]

Society never fucking learns

[@Dzamile25]

And they both have bipolar disorder.

[@Dzamile25]

@@justheretocommentokdontwan685 Britney was part of the Mickey Mouse club and was groomed to become a pop star for record companies to make money. She's been around since before Chappell was born. I think the original post was about how the culture of hounding celebrities and not letting them have privacy. This is made worse for people who have access to their social media accounts to attack and comment on a celebrity, before it was just magazines and TMZ, now anyone with a tiktok can go on a rant pulling a part celebrities to boost their own views.

[@RobotScarlet]

@@justheretocommentokdontwan685 It doesn't... matter?????

[@user-ej8bd5fe7o]

People are so obsessed with checking celebrities, why don't they put all this energy into checking their politicians

[@SariniyaKiyu]

yoooooo truth!!!

[@DeaDiabola]

Because it's a lot easier and requires less critical thinking, time, effort, and emotional labor. It's emotional transference at it's finest. It was never about her.

[@leianx269]

Very well said...

[@kasiazdrojewska3616]

Why do you think the whole Europe is laughing at USA, it's because we do and can't believe USA is allowing whatever the hell is happening there XD

[@commandercaptain4664]

That requires an acclimation of 8th grade civics, so...

[@nosferatati875]

Everyone wants a manic pixie punk rock dream girl until she starts talking like one then suddenly she’s the villain

[@tokagefumei6656]

LITERALLY I'VE BEEN SAYING "Oooo we need a celebrity who will enforce boundaries. Wait no, not against me 😨" like???

[@CoconutGirl333]

Thisssss

[@marykateandnoashley]

girl her music is not punk rock. i love her but it’s about as bubblegum pop as it gets.

[@MangoSorbetss]

@@marykateandnoashleyi thinkwhat they meant is her persona, and her brand

[@batorsagandszerelem4474]

​@@marykateandnoashley they're just talking about her style/persona. Chappell is definitely pop.

[@ellamahler9917]

The internet is like "Yess girl, set healthy boundaries! ... what the fuck, don't set them with ME!"

[@kasiazdrojewska3616]

Nah, it's more like "I watched a part of this video and dude said what she should have said instead of fuckjrtjhtlajdlkafjkhsdkjfjsakcfjh" XD

[@commandercaptain4664]

It's interesting that he describes internet nuance as "1s and 0s", which is an accurate way of saying that AI isn't the real danger, morons desperately wanting to *be AI* is. Which is compounded by the other point made by Mbowe about how morons have turned art into a service. I see it ALL THE TIME in certain geek culture. The phrase "no one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans" applies to Chappell's instance in a cliche way.

[@Reginal-g5j]

😂😂😂

[@beepysleepy]

It's incredibly frustrating to me that Chappell venting about things that make her (rightfully) upset is labeled as her "yelling" at her audience, especially when she's barely, if at all, raising her voice. She's allowed to be angry, she's allowed to set boundaries, she's allowed to prioritize her mental health. Someone being direct and doing things to protect their safety doesn't mean they're being "rude" to you.

[@AnaRios-ov4cz]

Exactly. Shes allowed to be HUMAN. Why does everything has to be so mediated by a staff? why cant people just comprehend and empathize with Ronan. Why dont people just ask themselves "waht has droven her to this point?". God. Shes getting harrased by fans and shes exagerating beacuse shes yelling?

[@jamescarr1265]

I prefer her setting her priorities straight over pretentious celebrities talking into their camera in a staged video with their pool in the background!

[@billiebobbaggins3939]

maybe because im european, but i dont find her rude at all. shes setting boundaries in a direct way.

[@EmyKdo]

I was thinking the same thing

[@melinaalba63]

Yeah I feel like many (not all obviously) americans just have a different view on celebrities and what their job and their duties are. In a kind of unhealthy way😅

[@MorganYorkWrites]

I’m American and I agree! I think she actually intended to say exactly what she meant to say in her initial TikToks setting boundaries. Artists don’t owe fans their gratitude imo

[@joghaella9500]

100% of the same opinion.

[@tortimanti5418]

@@melinaalba63 the fact that they need celebrities to firmly tell them who they're going to vote for, when in my country votes are meant to be personal and secret, is already bonkers to me. she's made her values loud and clear several times, WHY did they need her to endorse someone so desperately

[@Fribee83]

It's surreal that a few years ago, pop culture was trying to be supportive over Britney Spears and rethinking how the media/fans treated her; saying we need to be more sympathetic and prioritize mental wellness. All that went out the fucking window and now people are jumping on Chappell and trying to gaslight her into thinking she's on the wrong. They want to act like they aren't the origin stories of mentally unwell celebrities while fueling the fire and constantly poking. I love Chappell's music and like you said, nothing she said was really that bad; it's just about her timing and presentation.

[@jazmindodds]

They only will "care" and demand change after the celeb has undergone years and years of undeniable, provable, completely unquestionable abuse. Little do they seem to realize is that these horrible abuse cases start somewhere, and they start in ways not generally considered an "issue" to these people. Things like stalking, overly entitled fans, overwhelming hate and support relentlessly shouted at her, oh that is just normal celebrity stuff and you should IGNORE it oR EMBRACE it and just feel grateful for what you have, stupid girl. These people are so fucking stupid.

[@supertoxicgamer]

That’s because she overreacts. Like wildly. It’s not even about her mental Health at this point. No one’s making her life harder than she is.

[@melinaalba63]

​@@supertoxicgamer I think its very wrong to make her at fault for all of her mental health problems. Yes her communication skills are basically nonexistent. But people, Media, social Media,... all treat her in such a stupid way that it feel like they're all doing a parody. It's not her fault that these people act like that. She could have probably prevented a lot of it, yes. But also, the internet just loves hating on people that are loved by many. She could have said anything and the Internet would have absolutely found a way to misread it and act like she's the devil herself. It's not her fault.

[@strobo308]

@@supertoxicgamer It absolutely is. Being under pressure to the point where you have to cancel your work is absolutely related to mental health. Being explosive, overreactive and handling pressure badly is all related to your mind health. You're pretty much proving Fribee's point.

[@FKA91]

@@melinaalba63 My heart goes for her mental health issues but at some point, accountability needs to be given. She needs to just leave social media already! This part is on her and frankly, a lot of her troubles wouldn't exist if she left tiktok, twiter and instagram alone. Look at Adele, Taylor or Beyonce. Unborthered and thriving because they don't gaf about what social media is talking about.

[@tahizflores8997]

I don’t think Roan has issues expressing herself. She is expressing herself fine…but I think it’s because she’s not sugar coating it/ using PR speak. She’s stating her boundaries and is blunt about repeating it and will just repeat it louder if the person/ppl say “well yes BUT make an exception for us”.

[@hanaz1023]

I’m not mad at her, but I do wish she explained more about her problems with the left

[@the_blackpotatoe1268]

And she has the right to! Why does she have to “be nice” to people who are making her feel uncomfortable?

[@shadypalmtree2989]

@@hanaz1023 She has. She heavily supports Palestine and that's a big issue for her. She's still voting for Kamala, but refuses to endorse her and that should be enough.

[@joyeetaghosh2209]

As some who is quite a political homeless i can say the left have problems all i can say is never be a fan of political party ​@@hanaz1023

[@RDHardy79]

I never took any of her rants personally. I was nodding in agreement. People feeling entitled to access to you is something that I couldn't even imagine having to deal with. She's clearly a very sensitive and sweet person. Fame is a toxic swamp and she just woke up one day smack dab in the middle of it. That has to be overwhelming and terrifying. I hope she can come out on top. She's got real talent and passion. That's exceedingly rare these days.

[@aislinbrown7595]

I am so sick of chronically online people thinking that everything is black and white, and somehow believing they are the only ones with the moral high ground in every situation. The real world is so much more complicated and nuanced than the internet would have you believe. The person behind Chappell Roan, like everyone else, is a human being who deserves a little more grace and understanding during this insane time. Also, I 100% believe the backlash would not be this severe if she was a man...just saying

[@bellaandbandit2352]

real!! like people actually need to go outside and touch some grass like please 😩 why do people care so much about what a celebrity says or does? why can’t they be human beings who go thru hard stuff just like everyone else?

[@Chunky.monkey69420]

Same stuff happened with callmecarson, kid was 19 years old, texting with an s, a 17 year old girl and the internet ate him up and spat him out, called him a pdfile, like WTH is wrong with you people

[@golden_raccie]

@@Chunky.monkey69420 exactly! 19 and 17 is normal, kids AND SOME AVERAGE ADULTS WHO ARE DUMBER THAN KIDS are so stupid! 🙄

[@furioussherman7265]

Your sort of thinking is how Trump was allowed to win the U.S. election and why Project 2025 is set to turn the lives of everyone in there who isn't a straight, white, cisgender, neurotypical man into a living hell.

[@cum_chef]

​@@Chunky.monkey69420The issue was him trying to have sex with underage fans. You intentionally changed the context to make it sound normal.

[@kexkeks3395]

A few weeks ago I saw her live in Berlin. When she addressed the crowd she talked about how grateful she is and how much it means to her to be able to create a safe place she would have needed as a young queer girl. It was incredibly touching and felt immensely genuine. It felt so different from other artists repeating similar sentiments at every show. Sadly the crowd kept cutting her off again and again. They were screaming and cheering which definitely had a sweet intention and was meant to support her, but it completely ignored the seriousness of the situation and made this genuine moment feel almost trivial. My girlfriend and I got so frustrated not understanding why they wouldn’t just let her speak instead of making her pause after every sentence. To me this highlighted how her honest efforts clash with the current stan culture

[@CaitlinHopes]

Celebrities and women as a whole are expected to be eternally graceful and eternally grateful when will we learn that nobody can be like that 100% of the time

[@Leviathan99-h8l]

That is true as well as have to sugar coat criticism or issues they have otherwise they’ll been see as biting the hand

[@CanelaAguila]

And then people'll complain about them not being authentic enough

[@TheTytoGaurdian]

This is true. However, I can understand why her fans took offense by that first tic toc. She did make it sound like she broadly called all her fans creeps and like... I get it. She doesn't owe them anything, but they are the reason she has a career and if they've been supporting her all that time only to be called a creep. It's like the dog biting the hand that feeds it. Honestly though, I agree with you and ninja. I think people are blowing this way out of proportion. All this drama sounds super dumb and peeps just need to leave her the heck alone. The canceling of her shows the day before is pretty uncool though. Like I get she needs a break, but holy gods girl, give people some notice if at all possible.

[@CaitlinHopes]

@@Leviathan99-h8l I agree I’m tired of the entitled fan mentality of we made you so we have the power to unmake you. Like nobody has the right to celebrity and nobody owes you their support if they don’t like how you are acting or the art you are creating I’m just tired of Stan culture and the idea that an artist is tied to your personality and vice versa. I don’t know maybe I’m defensive because I identify with the midwestern woman who reacts strongly to things and has a tendency to be brash and blunt but I am tired of how repetitive this cycle is and how blatantly it effects people of minoritized groups more often

[@carrained]

@@CaitlinHopesI agree with you! Nobody is entitled to her time, they should be happy she exists as the same time as them so that they can go see her live and that's it. She's never consented to random hugs or photos, she's just become popular, and VERY suddenly. I would NEVER want to hug fans if I became famous, that wouldn't mean I didn't like that they appreciated what I did.

[@tatwrianna24]

When people are told “no” they feel attacked. It’s not normal, whether a person is famous or not, to disrespect their boundaries. Just because someone tells you “hey, I don’t like this” doesn’t mean they are rude. People have such strong parasocial relationships that they truly believe they KNOW celebrities. You know chappell roan, you don’t know the person behind the persona. You aren’t entitled to that person’s space especially when they are out of their persona living their normal life.

[@aSUGAaddiction]

That's it

[@carrained]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@janefins261]

👏👏 People have got to get reacquainted with consent and the term "no means no".

[@valentine.58]

AMERICANS feel confronted by the word "no." we think everything we want should just fall into our laps and if it doesnt, it must be someone elses fault (but not the people actually causing the problems like billionaires slowly killing the middle class or something, they just think its trans people or black people or some dumb shit). the word "no" is like a gunshot to our pathetic ape minds and makes us have an emotionally stunted meltdown. american entitlement is so fucking real. can you tell i want to escape this hell country?

[@AbiTheGoodLife]

That's absolutely what is happening here. I don't think she expressed herself poorly or was rude in any shape or form. People are pretending the way she delivered her message is the problem because they don't like to be told no.

[@gnocchi5326]

tbf I don't see how her first tik tok was condescending. if you are not a creep, why would you get offended over a star calling out some other creep? i don't get it

[@mollywalker5790]

Agreed. Fans are just entitled and want an excuse to continue their creepy behaviour

[@nii1877]

It's crazy how women aren't allowed to be mean or mad or upset, she was definitely pissed at people not getting what she was saying so ranted about it. And what? Just because she's a celebrity she isn't allowed to get mad and express herself? It's crazy

[@Wendy_Cedeno]

Agreed, I usually agree with space ninja, but I don't know about this video

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

@@Wendy_Cedeno The video is trying to explain to people like you that “don’t get it” but also to tell people mad at her they need to relax & none of this is that serious. It was an excellent balanced video. Y’all want an hour of him just saying people should stop being mean to her? 😂

[@GoddoDoggo]

@@Wendy_CedenoYou're aware that you're the EXACT type of dingdong with zero capability for nuance of thought that are harassing Chappell, right. Like that's what's being criticized in this video. Is that why you dislike this video, because you recognize your own negative traits being criticized?

[@sarar7010]

Honestly how is she being rude? When I saw the video of her “being angry and yelling” about not wanting to endorse anyone on my fyp, I just saw a girl being frustrated that people are mad for no reason. She has the right to not endorse anyone and I thought she communicated that perfectly fine

[@Gwenybhar]

The endorsement stuff was so dumb! She was pressured by fans & social media to make a statement about the election. So she makes a statement that is pretty common among 20 & 30somethings- but is then raked across the coals by fans & social media for not enthusiastically and officially endorsing Harris. She didn't want to be part of that conversation, she was drug into it, and then punished by the people who drug her into it. Its all messed up.

[@TheSpiderInUrWalls]

Yeah I just thought ‘You go girl stick to your guns’. I’m so glad she didn’t give into peer pressure and just spoke her mind. I definitely respected her a whole lot more when I saw her actually addressing it.

[@Rhaifha]

Chappell Roan feels very much like how I think a normal person would react to being thrust into the spotlight with all the consequences that come with it. That said, I do think she needs media training and a good publicist if she wants to survive in this industry, mostly for her own mental health.

[@AN-tw7uj]

There's a good chunk of misogyny behind the vitriol as well. She's a villain because she isn't a perfectly agreeable woman 100% of the time.

[@romankotas448]

There always is with every ‘Outrage’ in this country

[@icecreamhero2375]

I don't think its misogyny. I think a male would get backlash for saying such things too. Fans can be creepy and do too much but she should be more patient with people who are the reason she has the life she has and the reason she has money.

[@aleandra3945]

@@icecreamhero2375 its so obvious that she's not talking about her actual fans, like someone approached her while she was crying talking to her therapist on the phone and asked for a picture. like that's not normal behaviour

[@TheFamousYakTamer]

Absolutely! I'd argue it's probably even the root of it all

[@username.exenotfound2943]

@@aleandra3945 depends some fans get TOO attached so when their image od said celebrity is broken they react VERY harshly no use calling them non real fans its just the way of celebrity that becomes a superstar overnight

[@denisebedolla1717]

Chappell Roan's brash lyrics are a big reason she stood out on the music scene. Her interviews show that she communicates in a genuine and unpolished way. The backlash is, unfortunately, a confirmation to the rule that people will hate you for the same reason they love you.

[@c.c.8450]

I also remember her refusing to perform at the White House Pride Event, rightfully so in my opinion, and people blowing a gasket, especially since she does perform in "red states" with discriminatory laws on the books, calling her a hypocrite. But like, don't marginalized people in red states deserve to have fun and feel part of a community? And why do you always need celebrities to coddle your politicians? You want the cultural capital and progressive rep without actually doing anything to deserve it. Don't piss me off.

[@Birdyboys]

American politics is so strange because how do you have your government constantly fucking you over and you still feel like people are obligated to worship it

[@Birdyboys]

American politics are so strange. How do you acknowledge that your government is constantly letting you down and fucking you over and you still feel like people are obligated to worship it

[@melinaalba63]

I mean, she herself said that she loves performing in those states and in smaller cities etc where there aren't many shows like this and where theres no place for queerness. To give the people that live in this Environment a judgement free space where they can be who they want to be. I think thats not something to criticize but rather something to celebrate

[@TH0KH]

Events in towns are so very different than literally the White House. Like she isn't saying no to the white house and yes to trump towers

[@macacklin]

saw her in arkansas last night!! she said it was the biggest crowd that she’s had at an event where she is the headliner. queer people in red states want and deserve safe spaces💕💕💕

[@shidaaaaaa]

They will never make me hate her. She's real, and i feel that, and many people do too, and it's nice to see a celebrity who doesn't swallow it and defends her boundaries. But i hope she'll be doing well after that backlash, it's hard to overcome such things and not take a toll on your mental health

[@emilyc2016]

I feel like when we say someone isn’t made for this career, we’re excusing the toxic environment that is forcing the mental health issues. Maybe celebrities shouldn’t have to go quiet or leave the public eye to preserve their own sanity, maybe we should all take a good hard look at ourselves and how we contribute to a culture that places this much scrutiny and expectation on these people that we don’t actually know. Like this is a problem with the system, not the celebrities. So why should they have to suffer? Why should they have to stifle their art and careers because we’re excusing the way they’ve been treated as “just part of the job”? Honestly, people should be allowed to be messy on main without losing public respect, because we’ve all had our moments and we all know it. The change needs to start with the culture, not the victims of the culture.

[@jon.callaghan4165]

I honestly believe chappell roan needs to do what olivia rodrigo did after sour: leave the public eye, or minimise her social media availability. It would help keep the mystique of her persona that she worked so hard to build and her statements that she gives, a lot of which I agree with, might not be met with so much vitriol.

[@AlienX-dw9sz]

Isn’t Olivia the girl that stalked her ex bf made a song about it, ruined his life and then got famous after?

[@jon.callaghan4165]

@@AlienX-dw9sz i mean after the album came out and she had the 3 singles smash, she left the public eye after that. also stalked him and ruin his life doesn't seem true, he seems to be doing alright for himself

[@Isabelle-hv6ny]

Did she?​@@AlienX-dw9sz

[@raquelnunes9793]

​@@AlienX-dw9szwhat are you on about?

[@yumyumyum1238]

@@AlienX-dw9szshe never stalked him? Maybe you’re mistaking her for someone else because Rodrigo is a free woman, there is no trial for stalking, and her ex bf life and career has not changed much.

[@ilovetaylor2169]

I really love how you’re expanding your genre of commentary. First with the horror books that deserve movies list, and now this! Keep it up dude!!

[@neutraltoxic]

The algorithm wants what it wants

[@Pinkeypro]

agree! this was a nice surprise

[@ShesquatchPiney]

Hard like

[@natleviathan8178]

I agree so much!

[@lyrablack8621]

Literally fuck taylor swift tho. Constantly scamming everyone… you don't become a billionaire by being a good person. When did the 17th version of her ~oldest~ newest album drop again?

[@bheatz22]

People need to chill out. This ownership over celebrities is creepy AF. You also know the people FREAKING out about Chappelle setting boundaries would be the first ones on social media crying if anything happened to her

[@shizz3907]

This has been the reality of being a celebrity for as long as celebrities have existed in like every human society. The type of devotion from people and collecting of “fans” that celebrities get their celebrity status from in the first place is also where a lot of the toxic fan behavior stems from. Social media and mass media have just made this even more potent. To change this would basically mean destroying what it means to be a celebrity. Chappelle, to me, wants the upsides of being famous and none of the downsides. She said on stage and in interviews that she’s been working towards being famous and that this has been all she’s ever wanted. But like Chappell… you by yourself are not gonna change the celebrity-fan dynamic in your first year of being a celebrity.

[@nyxldx]

​@@shizz3907"to change this would be to change what it means to be a celebrity" respectfully, but that's bs. the status of "celebrities" have changed over and over again over the years if you glance at history. celebrities of 1920s-1930s were treated differently compared to the golden era of Hollywood. Similarly, 80s-90s are perceived differently compared to our celebrities from our time. once upon a time, celebs used to have anonymity. Fans were obsessed with getting a glimpse of their personal lives. Encounters with paparazies were dehumanizing. The internet was established and majority of celebs lost their "mysticism". There's a reason why fans now become notte intrigued with actors who don't have socials. Now majority of celebs are part of social media, they interact with fans, they try to come across are relatable. That's not the same as how things ran in 2000s. So status of celebrities *can* change. And it's us - common folks who define who is a "celebrity". There's a long rooted history on parasocials relationships between fans/celebs but just because it had always existed it doesn't mean it shouldn't change. Just like we managed to tone down significantly the paparazzi creepy harassment, similarly the same can happen with the concept of parasocial relationship. the main issue is that there's a bigger audience thus it needs an equally as big opposition. If celebrities like the singer in the video started to advocate about it they could pave a path for a change and inspire fans to think critically and more humane

[@LionUniverse14]

​@shizz3907 yeah, your statement is really stuck in the paradigm of American celebrity culture. The level of media and public attention that celebrities get in my country (even international celebrities that visit or live here) is not like in the US at all. Its seen as a job here, people are seen as rude if they bother them outside of their work, the media doesn't hound them for their political endorsements (its seen as weird and manipulative if they do, actually), and their families are always explicitly off bounds. Chapelle Roan wants to have a successful career as an artist, she absolutely has the right to reject a toxic celebrity culture. She does interviews and shows as part of her job, and seems to have passion in her art, but just like a successful painter would, she deserves to have a life outside work and an identity outside her artistry. She needs to know she might be recognised in public, but fans or the paparazzi do not have any right to harrass her.

[@nyxldx]

@@LionUniverse14 i don't live in the USA but she's a celebrity of that place and given how internationally fans typically talk about American celebrities, the conversation is focused on the States and not on individual European/ non-European/other Western /non-Western countries

[@registeredjopper]

​@@shizz3907why can't she, though? Who says she can't change this toxic fan-celeb dynamic? And even if she alone can't do it, why can't she work towards it? to put this in another context, would you tell someone that they alone can't eradicate the racism in the world, so they shouldn't bother to try? why be a bystander to a harmful and sometimes fatal situation when you can try to be a catalyst for change instead? you sound terribly defeatist. also, of course she doesn't want the downsides of her job. NO ONE wants the downsides of their jobs. It's obvious that Chappelle isn't afraid of hard work. it's obvious that she loves her fans. it's obvious that she has the ethic, drive, creativity and talent to be successful in her chosen field. it's also obvious that success and fame doesn't mean that others get to dictate what she says and when and how, who she allows to have her time (outside of work), and what her personal values are. she's not your personal doll to puppet and you have no right to feel like you can dictate literally anything about her.

[@notexactlynormal8363]

Chappell’s stance on politics is the best tbh. Her stance is “do better” and if more people had that attitude then maybe we would have a government that actually helps us. How can anyone expect a celebrity who is an active Palestine supporter endorse a candidate who will further fuel the war. Endorsing Kamala would make her a hypocrite. She’s real and authentic, and that means she’s a real and flawed person like all of us. Authenticity will never be easy to consume and that’s the point! Authenticity is nuanced and I’m so glad this video actually got into that.

[@lonilonelony8419]

Every person that actually has a chance at becoming president will support Israel, and if you don’t understand why you probably should take a closer look at geopolitics in the Middle East. Israel is aligned with the western world. Most of the countries surrounding Israel still stone people for being gay. People are incredibly ignorant about Palestine - most of these countries are not progressive and yet Palestine has become some liberal battle cry. It’s frankly baffling.

[@SamesyGames]

I'm not even a hardcore Chappell fan but every time she sets a valid boundary I respect her more Love how everyone loves celebrities until they are honest about the darker aspects of their life

[@serahne]

Anytime I see someone make a jab at her, telling that she is not 'made for this career' i want to scream that NO ONE is fucking made for this career. Good for her for pushing back.

[@joshuabushman7]

Exactly

[@RamblesBrambles]

Some people are less made than others.

[@BeMyArt]

You have a really low standards. Go check some k-idols😂

[@TheWorldisQuietHere3]

So these people should have the ABSOLUTE perfect life? Fame and fortune they don't REALLY dermserve and total privacy and the right to be normal? Nah, she knew what she was getting into. When you sell your soul to the industry you make sacrifices.

[@KylieWilson]

@@TheWorldisQuietHere3it’s people like you who are the problem

[@utopiancast]

americans stop treating politicians like they're our parents challenge (and singers like community organizers, lmao). would be so cool if we focused all this energy on where our tax dollars are being sent

[@astoldbynickgerr]

Yes, yes, yes!!!

[@valentine.58]

please dear lord 😭

[@sketchycat6223]

I don’t get why people need celebs to endorse politicians?? Do your own research & make your own choice on who to vote for. It’s that easy

[@garrettblackard8893]

@@sketchycat6223the sheep need to be herded.

[@SerenaBS]

As a non-american, yes, please. American politics are like virus on the internet for the rest of us.

[@BlueberryCheesecake8]

Idk why people care so much about endorsements. Chappell is a 26-year-old queer singer that does drag. Do you think many trump supporters will say “oh yeah I definitely will vote for Kamala now because I appreciate queer folks…” NO BRO, JUST GO OUT AND VOTE, STOP EXPECTING CELEBRITIES TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. USE YOUR BRAIN.

[@manderly33]

I wish it were otherwise, but when Taylor Swift endorsed Harris, thousands of people went out and registered to vote. It shouldn’t be expected and it’s not owed, but it does make difference.

[@BlueberryCheesecake8]

@@manderly33 Taylor is different because she’s a straight billionaire woman that had fans who created a literal Twitter called “Swifties for trump”. Her fans are delusional enough to think she could be a trump supporter. Trust me, I highly doubt there are Chappell fans who are Trump supporters.

[@manderly33]

@@BlueberryCheesecake8 You missed the point of what I said completely. Also, CR has a massive queer following and they have real critiques of WHAT she said when she didn’t endorse.

[@Noob_Crew_Sledders]

if who you vote for is decided by your favorite musical artist/hollywood star. you just might be an idiot.

[@melinaalba63]

​@@manderly33 But it's not the duty of anyone. If people aren't voting it's not because they desperately need a celebrity to tell them to do it but because the options and the System are clearly not what makes people want to vote. Maybe because they also find both options lacking. Maybe its because they think their vote doesn't change anything. Maybe it's because they don't care about politics. But whatever it is, it's something that the leaders of the country have to do something about. If your System relies on celebrities Telling people to engange, I'm sorry, but your system is fucked

[@jeanrainier]

I think the most frustrating thing in all of this is no one's questioning if Fame should be what it is. The attitude "you're famous and this is what that entails so suck it up" is very toxic in nature. WHY does fame have to be that way? Why should someone who wants acclaim for their art "have to put up" with the things fame brings? Why aren't we pushing back on what "fame is" more instead of telling artists to such it up or saying things like "she just can't hack it/isn't cut out for it". Maybe the issue isn't people who "can't handle" fame, and more that fame shouldn't be something that has to be "handled".

[@Nagchampa765]

And that’s why I don’t think she needs to change a thing about how she’s handling things. She should be mad and scream when she’s upset. She’s human. I’m so sick of people dehumanizing celebs

[@cleeks5549]

@@Nagchampa765 Well I think she can obviously do that, but I would not want to be in her position struggling up that hill and trying to make that change in society.

[@Nagchampa765]

@@cleeks5549 good thing you’re not her! But yeah I imagine it’s quite stressful, especially having bipolar disorder (as do I) it’s an immense amount of pressure and ridicule. But I think it’s quite revolutionary tbh. Not in a way that pedestalizes her, I don’t really look to celebs for guidance esp not white ones but I think it’s going to open the door for other people to speak out and try to slowly dissolve this weird parasocial phenomenon that genuinely ruins lives

[@shawnellesmith]

@@Nagchampa765She’s allowed to be herself, just like her fans are allowed to be themselves and hit back at her.

[@ty_sylicus]

Cancelling shows a day beforehand is pretty wild. It's expected that people would be super upset.

[@jamespopcornfrfr]

yeah that’s the only thing she did that i think was wrong

[@michellecgb]

I’ve been calling her a breath of fresh air too. She’s not doing what we expect from pop stars, she’s not willing to sacrifice shit about herself for fame, especially not her morals or values, and I gotta say, I love that. It takes balls. Edit: and I agree she has a communication issue. She assumes people will understand her or catch unspoken nuance when she needs to be as literal and clear as possible, leave no room for doubt or misinterpretation. She needs PR people to help her learn how to say what she wants to say without sacrificing authenticity.

[@jinxedangel2]

100% agree with this. As a fellow girlie who gets really passionate about my feelings and can also have my words misconstrued due to me believing people should be smarter/ fill in the blanks, my heart goes out to her and I agree she definitely needs a PR person to protect her mental health. Anything she been outspoken about, I've completely understood and I'm not even an OG or super fan.

[@lavenderbambi3501]

He Also needs therapists and some meds

[@JuriAmari]

@@jinxedangel2 agree as well. Her statements and boundary setting are actually not problematic at all. The problem is her delivery and timing. She needs a PR and security team and to take time to script out her statements more properly so that misconstruing is a lot harder to do. It also would protect her mental health in the long term. As an academic, I immediately got what she was saying; I have a similar mentality - the problem is that’s not the majority of people and unfortunately you do have to trend toward breaking down every nuance for those not in the know (which is a lot more than what you think and experience on a day to day basis). The problem is celeb culture never had the perpetual and the parasocial nature of internet culture in mind. It’s a frustrating paradox that I feel like both fans and celebs haven’t really gotten a chance to navigate. I feel like distance was much easier to navigate during the 90s and 00s. But nowadays with how powerful the internet is, the distance is now an illusion. I never felt good about the idea that a celeb “asked” for this attention - NO ONE asked to be harassed by their audience! Edit - I do agree that there is a way to do PR without making it sound like ridiculous code. We also do need to normalize letting women and AFABs showing a range of emotions & experiences outside of joy and compliance. But that does go back to timing and articulation. There is a time and place for nuance and rage. Right now, I think Roan may need to put it into her advocacy and art until she figures out how she can navigate the publicity and PR aspects.

[@LabGirl_00]

The sad thing is I don’t think she is problem. Chronically online people are just either cruel or stupid. If you want at least 50% of these people to understand what you’re saying, you have to speak like they’re 3 years old, but then the other 50% will say you’re too condescending

[@michellecgb]

@@LabGirl_00 there’s no pleasing everyone, it’s not about that. It’s just the way she’s been communicating isn’t sustainable. There will always be people who don’t like her or what she says, but learning to get her points across more effectively could drastically change things for her. Right now, she’s dealing with most people not liking how she says things; adjusting the way she communicates could severely lower that percentage and make it easier for her to handle or ignore.

[@m0byd1ckl3ss]

I don’t understand how she’s being rude. I’ve seen people say that they agree with her message but the way she’s saying it is mean and rude. I literally don’t understand at all how she’s being rude.

[@helenabruhh368]

no i completely agree i don't think she's rude or yelling at all like...

[@peacefulcreativity444]

I've see the clips and I think ppl just aren't used to famous people talking like a person you would meet in daily life. She is only being direct and sharing her thoughts and feelings. I say it just shows how many ppl have communication issues / can't take constructive criticism 😂

[@turkoizdog]

We're used to celebrities only saying things curated by PR teams after lots and lots of coaching. Chapell became popular because of how relatable people found her, and the same traits that made her relatable are those people are finding off-putting because they only want honesty when it's directed at other people.

[@user-ej8bd5fe7o]

shes 'rude' in the way every woman is 'rude' when they have opinions and thoughts and don't want to spemd all their time being unneccessarily nice.

[@zoeybourke9617]

Seriously, she's just actually speaking like a regular person and not as a celebrity who has all her words fed through a PR team.

[@gamsougher3574]

i remember getting into her music in may and watching a few interview videos and hearing that she’s clinically depressed and bipolar and being like “oh no. girl you need to be an offline celeb or this is going to be a mess” :(

[@whatcanidooo]

Yeah same

[@coolsenjoyer]

Yeah, on one hand I'm glad we have this huge superstar that's not afraid to speak her mind but on the other I kinda wish she didn't for her own mental health's sake

[@heyarielss]

The sad truth of fame is that once you become a brand as huge as Chappell Roan, people tend to stop seeing you as a person and act as if they own you, because they gave you their time, support, money and a platform. Everytime I saw a "Chappell rant video", all I saw was a person who's struggling, crying out for SOME empathy. It's so sad to see how the cycle of bashing women who speak up just keeps happening, like with Britney, Miley and now Chappell... and why? Because it sells, it makes headlines, the story of the crazy, ungrateful young artist is a brand project, it's storytelling, one that is usually out of the artist's control and the more she tries to get out of it by force, the worst it gets. I love her music so much, I'm really hoping she takes care of herself and finds some peace, even if that means stepping down. Thanks for the video, friend, I really appreciate a nuanced view on stuff like this, it feels like a breath of fresh air nowadays.

[@Maladaptive.Malady]

She has Kurt Cobain vibes, very artistic musician who just wants to share their art and was not prepared for being mauled by fans every second of every day. I know nothing about her, but she's allowed to have boundaries, being famous doesn't automatically mean everyone has unfettered access to you. Also, musicians shouldn't be endorsing politicians unless they know what they're talking about.. She has a good point... Politically, both sides kinda suck.

[@Birdyboys]

It’s really depressing that Chappell Roan’s “controversies” is just a bunch of people getting mad that she refuses to pander to them and setting boundaries I feel like this is the expected outcome of Stan culture. Once they deal with a celebrity who refuses to do what they want, they completely lose their minds and will go out of their way to antagonize them. I’ve seen people accuse Chappell Roan of lying about her mental illness and sexual identity simply because she refuses to force herself into a box to appease these weirdos.

[@Comicbroe405]

Pretty much yeah

[@viviciuszn]

No the issue is her voicing she wont, she could just not She comes across as both siding like a dummy

[@jobeiden4630]

​@viviciuszn you're the dummy if you think she's both siding

[@Birdyboys]

@@viviciuszn but she’s right though. And calling her dumb is exactly the issue. People were criticizing Joe Biden for how he handled the Black Lives Matter movement by doubling down and giving more funding to the police or how recently he’s handled the Palestinian genocide by giving MORE money to Israel. Or how about when his campaign was also about protecting Roe vs Wade and ended up getting terminated under him. When people complain about both sides, they’re not saying “these are exactly the same” they’re saying “both sides are flawed”. You have to be a genuine idiot to somehow be a progressive who thinks Biden is as bad as Trump. But when Democrats also have a history of protecting the powerful, oppressing/suppressing minorities and lying to the public. Just because they’re less overtly evil than republicans doesn’t mean they’re without flaws. Again, both sides are enabling a genocide. Of course there are people who are going to feel conflicted and talking down to them and calling them idiots isn’t going to help. Also Chappell roan is still voting for Kamala and only asked people to think critically, so I don’t even understand why people are bitching at her 💀

[@Birdyboys]

@@viviciuszn when someone says “both sides” they’re not saying “both sides are equally bad” they’re saying “both sides are heavily flawed in their own ways.” I think Trump is far worse than Biden and Kamala but it doesn’t mean I’m gonna look at Biden and Kamala or Democrats as a whole uncritically. It’s honestly pretty ironic to call her dumb and then have such a black and white mentality towards politics you think it’s problematic to say “oh hey, you know the Democrats did some bad stuff too”. Shes voting for Kamala, she just doesn’t want to endorse her and asked people to use critical thinking skills.

[@amcleartayba]

Am I the only one confused about people saying Chappell is “yelling?” She’s like, barely raising her voice.

[@EmyKdo]

No you're not. People should start talking to people in real life instead of their phone/camera...

[@Shearedfield]

THIS!

[@thought-full3445]

As soon as a girl raises her voice slightly she's "yelling hysterically" I suppose.. Yeah, her tone did come across as passive aggressive, but let's be ffr, the only clip where she actually yelled was the one in response to the paparazzi saying "shut the fuck up", which I don't blame her for, I absolutely despise paparazzi

[@siennamxxx97]

yeah, the word yelling is lifting a lot of weight here… dare i say if a man used the same volume and cadence it would not be considered aggressive angry or complaining…..

[@lotusthemermaid]

It's because she's a woman expressing anger and society has no tolerance for that at all.

[@xtuffcookiex]

I like that she stands up for herself and isn't going to be taken advantage of like previous pop stars. I do believe she needs a good team to help her out so she can keep her mental health safe.

[@merriebearz]

I actually don’t want her to change or get a PR team unless she wants to protect herself that way because everything she’s said so far I agree with. I personally would’ve worded it a lot more diplomatic but I’m a chronic people pleaser. I actually really appreciate Chappell for her bluntness. She’s inspiring.

[@GoddoDoggo]

You're aware that the purpose of hiring a good PR team would be to rephrase what she's already saying in a more diplomatic way, right. So your response here is, "I disagree with you, but actually I agree with you."

[@imaginieiota]

People in the comments skillfully skipping the part where she cancelled her shows a day before😂😂 y'all know that costs money right and majority of the fans are middle class these people carefully save money to watch their fav, I feel bad for them.

[@Quossum]

When you talked about the idea that “Chappell Roan” is a *character,* it really put me in mind of stories about how some clueless people expressed hatred towards Jack Gleeson, who played Joffrey in Game of Thrones…another failure of the ability to separate artist from their work, as Gleeson was reportedly one of the nicest people on set. I bet we can also think of actors who portray more beloved characters who get unwarranted *support* despite being, in real life, quite despicable….

[@haleymist09]

Yeah, people connect to a character they seem themselves in and then trauma dump all over them, an actor, not a professional. Chapelle gets that too. She had to stop meeting fans ahead of shows because all those personal stories affected her performance.

[@mlemaire109]

I absolutely lose my mind any time I hear about actors like Jack receiving harassment and death threats because of their characters. Like, do they think he actually chopped off somebody's head? 💀 what part of acting do they not understand. It happened w the actress who played Skyler White too

[@Vi_Vi_1]

I heard of that, and so many other actors being hated for characters that they didn't even create, just portrayed. It's so concerning when people can't separate the character from the human being playing them, and it leads to horrifying harassment.

[@lorewhore4195]

I remember Hayden Christensen getting bullied so hard for playing Anakin in the star wars prequels he left everything and gave up acting. He's thankfully rekindled his love for acting/performing that he came back for Obi-Wan and Ashoka I saw the Jack Gleeson/Joffrey saga as well, tragic.

[@swampstar]

She's not "yelling at them" she actually speaks kind of quietly. I have the benefit of being not so brain rotted like everyone is talking about this. A lot of the people talking are so obviously just hopping on a hate train. She is acting very rationally for a person in this position.

[@noonoolink6822]

They also sound so entitled, like mean girls which is funny because that's what they are accusing her of being. Like I know you don't like what you see in the mirror but your childhood trama isn't chappells problem

[@jackiehuff7736]

I'm not sure about rational. She definitely needs someone to help with social media. She has made a couple poor decisions when dealing with her drama. Some of which was absolutely avoidable. The problems with fame are usually foreseeable and especially where safety is concerned shouldn't be dealt with last minute. Ranting online without a filter when your angry isn't a good idea for anyone, fame has nothing to do with that.

[@NikkiBudders]

@@jackiehuff7736 I agree, especially since she seems interested in activism and repping her community. People who want to make a difference tend to need more polish and calculation to be taken seriously and I think a solid PR person/team could really help filter her message in a way that is still passionate but better explained.

[@439801RS]

Not if you're of the opinion that celebs should lie down and happily take whatever supposed fans wanna throw at them 😅

[@439801RS]

​@@noonoolink6822the whole thing reeks of hypocrisy 😮‍💨

[@tasos1828]

I don't think she was rude, or her tone was hostile. Or that she expresses herself poorly. I think it only reads that way if you are used to every statement being prefaced with three straight minutes of disclaimers signalling docile friendliness.

[@samantadanicic4603]

Yep. People beg for authenticity and then when a real ass person expresses themselves in a bit more rough and unpolished way without a thousand disclaimers and trigger warnings suddenly they're rude and mean or whatever, even if what they're saying is true. Everyone wants to be spoon fed sanatized statements and content because apparently reading between the lines and using your brain isn't cool

[@taylorlov3r1989]

yuppppp

[@tamaravsthevoid]

And a whole heap of smiles and apologies cause she presents femme as well.

[@Jach93]

To each their own I guess. I like her and her music and do think she is getting way too much hate. Imo she should get a good PR team though, based on the issues she has expressed having and the fact that regardless of how you all feel about how she spoke many people got angry. While the internet does just do that, that volume of vitriol is pretty avoidable.

[@valerius88]

Say it louder for the people in the back! (but prefaced with three straight minutes of disclaimers signaling docile friendliness)

[@bannonorama]

i truly think the only reason she’s getting hate is misogyny. she’s setting boundaries and being loud about it. if she was a man no one would even blink.

[@bulgna]

Yeah like "people don't have a problem with what she says it's that people think she has an attitude" huhhhh I wonder WHY. Edit: and then somehow the problem is that she has an attitude not that people are tone policing her lol

[@memovalverde]

She’s not handling this poorly. After watching your video I realized she’s actually amazing. She’s not a nepo baby or a Disney star with media training. This makes her real and for this she is successful. No one is entitled to take pictures with people they don’t know it’s dangerous…

[@oliviab4079]

This is exactly why I don’t delve into music artist fandoms and just listen to their music in a vacuum. I mean that’s what we’re all here for at the end of the day isn’t? Why do people care so much about musicians personal lives, I don’t get it tbh

[@carrained]

Same heeeeere, I rarely even look an artist up and I never follow them on Instagram, I just enjoy a song or two and move on with my life lol.

[@jubilee4]

Teenagers and ppl with no social life do. other well-adjusted peeps don't really care unless a musician does something actually worth scrutiny a la Diddy for ex.

[@so_17u]

EXACTLY I’ve been into Kate Bush music lately and when I tell others they keep asking me personal information about her and they get weirded out when I tell them that I don’t really care about her personal life other than her art.

[@chrisbarnett5303]

@@so_17u I love reclusive artists like Kate Bush, Enya or Sade. Adds to their allure and I never have to see some dumb political opinion of theirs that changes how I see them for the worse.

[@owusuacofie]

People need to leave people alone

[@memorian8472]

Maybe it's because I'm just not a stan or into these sorts of parasocial relationships, I didn't find Chappell to be rude at all. I thought she explained herself very well and anyone with two brain cells to rub together would've understood that she wasn't talking about normal fans but the overly creepy ones that feel entitled to your whole being because they "gave" you your fame. What I think this is mostly about is that a young woman spoke up for herself and in a tone that people didn't like, and they couldn't take it. Added with the fact that she's extremely famous now, and the media knows she gets clicks so they're exacerbating everything and blowing it all out of proportion because they know how people feel about a young woman who are outspoken and unapologetic and a lot of people are playing into the medias hands and unfortunately Chappell is suffering for it. I do agree though that she should pull back on the social media tho for her own sake, also giving people unfettered access to your random streams of thoughts is a double edged sword. You could be very clear and concise about what you mean but because you're complaining about something, people will still find issue with it.

[@Guolfo]

Lots of people lost the capacity to understand nuance. Everything is taken at face value just to create drama. It's so saddening.

[@Alex-fc8xn]

To me it just feels like she's probably autistic and/or ADHD and people who aren't get mad because she doesn't communicate like a neurotypical person 💀 because autistic and ADHD people grow up having to learn to read NT body language and social cues but NTs have never felt the need to do the same so they assume we (I'm AuDHD) are trying to be rude intentionally because if they acted the same it WOULD be intentional

[@stitchgrimly6167]

Remember that tiktok of those people yelling "how can we love you when you're not even nice?" or whatever as she was leaving some event? How pathetic is your life that you make all that effort to see her just to film yourself being THAT childish and butthurt? These people are clowns. Anyone who responds emotionally to celebrities' off-stage behaviour is a massive loser basically. American pop culture just seems to be a lot of sad, desperate people living vicariously through projected and idealised personas, then destroying them for their own vindication over the slightest transgression. Anything to avoid self-reflection I guess.

[@Fribee83]

My worry is, beyond all of this, is the follow up. Her album is on fire so the pressure of her follow up, her next single, to match the popularity has got to be painful. If she changes her sound, people will say she fell off; if she stays the same, people will say she's not growing; if she makes another Hot To Go, people will say she's a one-trick pony. Just like with Taylor and Travis, the media is driving this narrative because anything with their name gets attention.

[@nii1877]

I also wanna point out there has been a very obvious intentional hate train happening around Chappell Roan, twitter pages like Pop Crave have been focusing on phrases she says and putting them out without proper context to make people hate her and start a discourse. So the hate it's intentional, as someone who's a fan but not really deep in the fandom I can say that my timeline has been full of fans appreciating her for speaking up her concerns and this hate train it's not gonna stop her from continuing her career as a superstar.

[@901chimera]

How dare she be a human! How dare she stand up for herself! How dare she set boundaries! People need to get over themselves, no one owes you anything.

[@taramathews7784]

Even in her rants she makes sense in my opinion As you said they only get angry because women aren't allowed to show anger But she really needs to get a team to handle her social media presence for her mental health

[@jackiehuff7736]

I'm not fond of her and it isn't because she is angry. I think she does come across as condescending when she doesn't mean to. If I were younger, I could see myself not picking up on her basically doing a stream of consciousness. That said, she seems to do a lot of blame shifting. I don't have patience for many celebrities who act like they didn't know any of what their getting into. I can understand not handling it well, the pressure being greater than you thought, the extremes being too much (stalking etc.), but to act like it's unusual to be asked for pictures? I would have been fine if she said she didn't like attention unless she was on stage, or that certain things made her uncomfortable, but to act like it's weird to ask for a picture of your favorite celebrity? That's a little extreme. It's also weird to go into rants out of nowhere. If I were to walk up to a random person and ask the time, then they went on a rant about how they hate people asking for the time, I would think that's rude. Their entitles to their feelings, and to tell others their feelings, but that doesn't mean I have to feel good about it.

[@nii1877]

​@@jackiehuff7736 The only thing I agreed with you it's how she's definitely not consulting with anyone before recording the tiktok and that she could have chose better words to express herself but what's so wrong about ranting? I rant with my friends all the time, because when we are upset about something it's good to pour your feeling out, I think you're not used to seeing a celebrity ranting to her fans. I young and I got every word she said and which fans she's referring too, maybe we're just to being around different kinds of people.

[@livitaclotilde5692]

@@nii1877 While there's nothing inherently wrong with ranting and I even agree it's cathartic to express those feelings so it doesn't end up eating you on the inside when you proceed to internalize them for a long time, I think that instead of ranting on a public space (aka TikTok or Instagram), she's better off privately ranting to her small circle of friends, family, or therapist (provided she has one), where she would be less likely to be taken out of context. Besides, her friends/family members would probably understand her much better than her own audience, meaning I don't see why she can't simply just confide in them. Also, whether Roan likes it or not, she's no longer a niche, small time musician, so if she wants to still be actively online (which is something I personally think is ill-advised for celebrities who are mentally fragile, but I digress), she should at least be more mindful when it comes to how her words would be construed... because from the looks of it, Roan doesn't seem to be someone who can handle public backlash as well as someone who is, say... more experienced with fame. And at the end of the day, all the criticism she's receiving seems very detrimental to her mental health, to the point where I only want her to take better care of herself by either not being so online (like Daniel Radcliffe) or having a better PR team that would her have best interests at heart. Don't get me wrong, though. It's not that I don't agree with what she has to say. I just want Roan to maybe seek a second opinion before impulsively posting stuff and possibly take some much needed measures to ensure she won't be as affected by social media... cause so far, her being outspoken and abrasive on TikTok hasn't really done her much good.

[@samantazwaag6084]

Her rants actually made me like her! She is a real person! Great! Refreshing! Wish her the best and people complaining about other people they don't even know should look in the mirror more often, good luck to them!

[@Kizamo]

Agreed. Unfortunately it seems the public hates “real people” 🫠

[@lilpenn7516]

Same. I don't like her type of music so I didn't become a fan or anything but the rants at least made me check out her music because of how genuine she was.

[@raquelnunes9793]

People are infuriating. Younger gen z is growing up online and have not being outside of their own echo chamber much. None of these "controversies " are controversies.

[@Chibbykins]

the VMA controversy was pretty objectively messed up

[@aradcohen4309]

What was the VMA controversy?​@@Chibbykins

[@m1k3y48]

This was the first I’ve heard of any of it. Living under a rock really feels like the way to handle the internet today. When something important actually happens I hear about it, but the day-to-day hubbub of petty issues don’t get through to take up my bandwidth.

[@raquelnunes9793]

@@Chibbykins what? She setting boundaries?

[@ae1103]

​@@aradcohen4309I think her cancelling to go to the VMA's, that's the only one I can understand why people are upset about. And I empathise a bit for the ATG one too.

[@OofusTV]

I’m so proud of this comment section 🥹

[@Nonesuch03]

She was so bold as to ACTUALLY point out the hypocrisy of politics in general without it being a "gotcha, I'm this" and people hated her for it. She hates how politicians use her own rights to win a vote and overturn said rights. Damm right, give this queen a crown. I had nothing but respect for her actually keeping tabs on her own vote. That's an American citizen. She doesn't want her audience to fall into the hands of Jerrymandering, lobbying liars. I would imagine she hates Trump, too. She sees though it, and it makes people uncomfortable. That's my take.

[@helenabruhh368]

i genuinely don't think she expresses herself poorly maybe that's just me but i always understand what she's saying right away i feel like people are just not used to celebrities actually speaking about their boundaries or have an actual backbone idk

[@turkoizdog]

She could be better, but really it's just that she doesn't have extensive PR training. She talks like a normal girl her age.

[@amethystimagination3332]

Same, I think people just assume the worst of women in the spotlight tbh

[@catcactus1234]

She expresses herself poorly in the sense where she makes it very easy for journalists to grab sound bites and phrases that could paint her in a bad light, but not as a regular human being. You can absolutely understand her point if you read or watch the context around her statements, but unfortunately, anything said by a celebrity will be picked apart by reporters to get the most engaging headlines possible. This is why some people are saying she should probably get a PR manager - not because she’s bad at expressing herself, but because they can help her express herself without having her statements misrepresented and exploited by tabloids.

[@denomen3391]

It’s the internet. People will take the worst possible interpretation of what you say if you don’t make a bunch of clarifications and hand hold them to your point. Critical thinking skills are non existent

[@noonoolink6822]

​@catcactus1234 dosnt help she told a photographer to stfu. I'm sure there still salty about it. Like the little b!these they are

[@taylorlov3r1989]

I’m just gonna say to address the “condescending” behavior…. like literally if a guy said anything like that he would not be cancelled like her… She should be condescending in my opinion! People take it way too far. She just wants to make music and express herself omg

[@EmmyHagan-ww5ps]

Fr. People let literal predators and criminals THRIVE in the music industry as long as theyre men, but the moment a woman gets angry and speaks her mind, people wanna cancel her

[@Alex-fc8xn]

Also it just seems like she is neurodivergent and people are misunderstanding her because neurotypicals never put effort into understanding how we (autistic/ADHD people) communicate differently because we are supposed to put all the work in or else we will be rejected and called weird and isolated/bullied.

[@leeshizzle]

i think more and more people have this idea that their idols should be like their besties. and that's simply not the case. you are allowed to like someone's music and also not feel like you wanna be friends with them. especially with the pop girlies, people expect them to be like their best friends or big sisters, and honestly, I enjoy chappell's music, but I also think we wouldn't get along as friends, and that's okay. i like oasis, and I also think liam gallagher is an a-hole. just because they make music that you like, it doesn't mean that they're nice or even fun to be around, when did we lose this perspective?

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

Same, she has this “not like other girls” thing that always turns me off personally…but she’s an excellent performer who’s music I will continue supporting. I don’t have to like an artist’s personality to enjoy the art they make but I’m also 30 😂

[@leeshizzle]

@@UrbanDecayLova247 i'm 29, so yeah 😂

[@WorthAShotAndMore]

@@UrbanDecayLova247i wonder what the “im not like other girls” vibe you’re getting from 😅

[@hadleyepstein2249]

My favorite general subject in school is Social Sciences and Humanities. I've taken psychology and sociology classes and seminars on international politics and gender studies. Yet there are two recurring ideas that come up in all of these. First, that we humans come from many unique and diverse upbringings, cultures and ways of thinking. Second, that we each have our own approach and perception to life based on how we grow and develop in our early ages. Yet, in our current modern society, these simple facts of life mean nothing in the face of celebrity Stan culture and para- social relationships. Kayleigh's situation is no different. Her approach to negativity is messy to say the least, but the public's lack empathy and integrity towards her isn't helping, it's only making it worse.

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

@@WorthAShotAndMoreto be fair, maybe it’s her fandom but this oh she’s not like other girls in the industry that do whatever they’re told & get pushed around bullshit rhetoric I hear so much when people talk about her…I also think she feeds into it, but that’s lowkey victim-blaming past female celebrities…like oh, if they only spoke up like Chappell - like gimme a break 🙄 Also this idea that if a female celebrity is idk a certain way, she’s being fake. Like Chappell is “real” cuz she tells it like it is as if no other female celeb does. That is the “not like other girls” but moreso “not like other celebs” that framing is just so stupid to me 🤷🏾‍♀️ but you’re most likely gonna disagree anyway so…lol

[@Kshsgdhksls]

this is definitely the best take i've seen on this situation so far. great content

[@helenajuckova1095]

I’m honestly so happy she is here, setting boundaries. I think she is a great shift in culture and I like how angrily she responds. She has every right. I really wish people would finally understand celebrities are people.

[@RailroadTy]

I really saw things turn when she refused to endorse Kamala. Much like many people, I'm going to vote Kamala because there is, literally, no other choice, but any logical person acting in good-faith has to look and say the Democrats have a lot of problems and the inability of people to have a nuanced opinion is ridiculous.

[@VivekPatel-ze6jy]

The problem there for me was that she mentions trans teens and then doesn't point out which party is less bad for them. You can't make political statements as if you're talking to your friends - they know that you'll hold your nose and vote blue, but the general public don't. And obviously the condescension of "I'm sorry you fell for misinformation"

[@RailroadTy]

@@VivekPatel-ze6jy I mean, this is America, you can say whatever you want, man. And everyone that cares absolutely already knows who is worse for trans people. I'm gonna vote Kamala but the situation in Palestine makes me feel pretty crappy about it. I absolutely understand why someone wouldn't bend over backwards to hype up the business-as-usual candidate, especially after several presidential and congressional cycles that have only seen life get worse for most people. But there's not a genuine political LEFT in the US so I've made my peace voting for the lesser of two evils for now. And if someone doesn't feel obligated to wholeheartedly endorse a mediocre candidate just because their opponent is more proactively evil, I absolutely understand it. It's nobody's job to get out and stump for a candidate that they're only voting for because there's no other option. It's the candidate's and the party's job to EARN my vote and the Dems haven't earned a vote since 2008. There's just not been any other viable choice because our electoral system is a sham.

[@Samzillah]

And the funny thing is is that if she had endorsed Kamela a lot of people would have called her out for it anyways, because Kamela is not very popular among a lot of the left due to her history as a prosecutor, and all her problematic political takes. Had she mentioned a 3rd party candidate she'd have been attacked for that as well. She can't win on this either way she goes.

[@m1k3y48]

Politics has a desperate lack of nuance today. The team sport dynamic isn’t productive at all

[@BlackWolfOnFire]

@@RailroadTymediocre? She’s not even president yet! How do you even know? I’m sorry but if her team started talking about Palestine, then she would lose votes because of the many, many pro-Israel democrats. You wanna know why? Because those aren’t the main concern right now when we have literally our democracy on the line. Trump wins and you can forget about Palestine having any chances, about transgendered people’s rights, about women having rights to their own body, about healthcare in general, about religious freedom, about our own safety as a democratic government. Who do you think can be pressured to not let Israel bomb Palestine? Who do you think can be pressured to bring up trans rights? Trump’s team or Harris’? So how about we start talking about the dems flaws once we get her into office and we can actually make a difference. Y’all forget that in order to get things to pass we need to have the senate and the house. Not just the presidency, but the whole cake too. So encourage to vote blue for the ability to fight for what you believe in, because suggesting anything else may lead to not even having that ability at all. That’s why a lot of people are mad at Chapel.

[@julieithinkthatsmyname]

she had been so clear idk what you’re talking about with her “being vague” and “not explaining herself” she says it as it is and i think any sort of entitlement people feel for her is weird.

[@Cocoanutty0]

I agree. It’s all tone policing and I do think she was super clear

[@emb3863]

I agree... I don't think she's vague or bad at expressing herself or even being rude, clearly she's angry yes, but I don't think she's being rude at all...

[@ThePFD518]

I mean she has been vague and doing bothsidesism, which is not good with things like trans rights on the line. Talking about transphobic policies of the left but does not name anything.

[@jackiehuff7736]

That first rant wasn't clear unless she really was talking about all of her supporters. It also came across, to me, as if she was mad at people asking for things like pictures and not just for her refusals. People coming up on a random woman asking for hugs or pictures would be weird, but she isn't a random woman and it's odd to make that comparison. I'm fine if she says no or she doesn't like it, buts that doesn't make it odd to ask a celebrity for a photo. That essentially moves the issue from 'I'm not comfortable' to 'your a weirdo'

[@jackiehuff7736]

​@@emb3863I mean, canceling a show to go to the vmas is pretty rude. Especially last minute, when she would have known well in advance she wasn't going to do it.

[@kaya7661]

idk man... this tone policing kinda annoys me. I think we need to normalize people not being nice about some things. No matter if you're famous, if people invade your private life and don't accept no as an answer then you have every right to be angry and frustrated and loud about it. Complaining about her being too loud about it is just shifting the focus from calling out the issue with creeps who don't accept no for an answer, to calling out the woman who gets mistreated, but didn't ask nicely enough for it to stop. It's ridiculous. Normalize female rage. Normalize calling out this stuff loudly and angrily.

[@iamtoxic4663]

same thoughts!

[@NellaWasHere]

Yeah that part of the video really rubbed me off the wrong way like expecting her to just smile and calmly tell people to let her have her own boundaries so that some people don't get upset about her tone sounds just so sad and inhuman. Also as a woman, who's also neurodivergent and anxious like her, I just find it freeing that she's pushing the tight boundaries of the industry, good for her!

[@ae1103]

Realll

[@juliag6255]

yes

[@saiaparnaramamurthy2889]

It's so great to read this and heartening to see the majority of the comments are in a similar vein. Everything she's said seems normal. Angry, sure, but the video was harping on about her being poor at communication for too long for my taste. I think her communication is fine and her message is clear, and she doesn't owe it to anyone to act like their idea of a perfect angel.

[@mllemystery]

Thank you for adressing the concert cancellation. Really really thank you. It was honestly heartbreaking to see my concert being canceled after spending days defending her. And not only that but fans like me then ended up in such an hostile environment on social media after the cancelation because either we were told to shut up and stop being entitled and selfish and to just keep defending Chappell's decision by her hardcore fan, or we were taunted by her haters to agree with them on everything. There was no place for nuance : either you were an absolute lover or an absolute hater. Just because we were dissapointed, heartbroken and felt honestly quite wortless with the way we were traded with a REHEARSAL (allegedly), we now were catagorized with the creeps she went after in her tiktoks, once again after days of defending her. So thank you again for talking about it.

[@rebel.taylord]

I think when we feel miserable it's perfectly ok to walk away from a lucrative career. I walked away from a $150k job because the environment was so toxic I felt I was losing my mind, even my therapist (he's a psychiatrist) thought I was not gonna make it if I stayed and encourage me to quit lol

[@chanacynamon329]

Chappell is a punk, not à pop star. People loving her are not use of brutally honest thoughts and way of telling it. Love her because of that

[@Newchannel862__58]

Exactly! She's not trying to have some persona that appeals to the masses. Her personality and unfiltered way of expressing herself is like, her whole fucking thing.

[@FlavaFlav87]

Underrated comment

[@jjerkamillo]

Jesus Christ 😂

[@emilygoneferal]

i do get the sense that she is much more fit for a 'punk' crowd, not at all in terms of her tone of music, but having a smaller crowd which is political, rowdy and caring is sort of the size of audience i see working for her best. punk musicians in the 70s and 80s didn't have to deal with the stuff she does because of that. i think it's great that she's bringing this to the attention of the mainstream but i don't think it'll work for her long term

[@chanacynamon329]

​@@emilygoneferal I will do a prediction, let's see if it will happen. She will perform in a tv show/event with a metal band, ad Lady Gaga did with Metallica. She will smash it. Few times later, she will do a mental breakdown conducting her to stop music for few months/years, but preparing a new album. It will be pure rock music, which will be hated by a large part of her audience, but conquering a new one impressed by the proposal. She will become more niche, but also fucking more happier and at her place.

[@rjafitzgerald]

I’m biased because I worked in comms but never underestimate the necessity of a good comms team that deeply understands what the artist wants to convey and how best to deliver that, know how to do media training that isn’t patronising or disingenuous and work take the pressure of the parasocial off

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

I hate how media training is so demonized. Having that foundation especially early in your career allows you tools that are necessary in knowing how to articulate yourself. Some people think media training makes you inauthentic, but no that is BAD media training.

[@Mitsaya]

It feels like so many of her big moments lately could have been avoided with a good team and media training. Especially stuff like her/her team cancelling most of her EU shows so she could do the VMAs and instead of explaining it just going "sorry scheduling conflict byeee" barely any time in advance.

[@rjafitzgerald]

@@UrbanDecayLova247 exactly!!!! There are bad or lazy trainers for sure but there’s also so so many who are phenomenal at it and can be extremely helpful at prepping for bad questions/scenarios etc but the biggest benefit I saw from those who had media training was the confidence boost and security in themselves that they know they’re prepared and capable of handling whatever nonsense gets thrown at them, it can go a long way to putting people at ease which in turn actually allows them to be more genuine because they’re not as afraid of effing it up

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

@@rjafitzgerald EXACTLY!!! & it’s really about the foundation. Recently Ariana answered a question about if she always loves her fans and the WAY she answered it is what having that foundation looks like! Ariana has addressed a lot of stuff during her career but again the foundation she received I’m assuming when she was younger makes her able to articulate herself so effortlessly but not necessarily in a way that seems robotic. A GOOD media team would not be trying to turn Chappell into someone else, but it would help her create that foundation where she’s not ranting on her phone at midnight looking crazy.

[@camdenhunt7565]

yeah idk what kind of deal she has with her label or who her manager is but it seems they confused giving her creative freedom with lack of media training. like we don't need the several commentary videos about how fame is difficult.

[@jomarch1645]

From the red carpet incident, at the beginning you can hear "missed a spot". I'm a (woman) press photographer who often shoots premieres. So. When on a long red carpet with a lot of photographers, artists are supposed to pose, move forward, pose, move forward, etc. I *think* the photographer was upset because he didn't get the shot, maybe because she was moved too fast, didn't stop in front of them, or was talking while posing (which can be unflattering). Often, photogs are freelance and sell their shots, so that could have been frustrating. I write this to clarify a situation, but I would never NEVER lose my nerves for this, never yell at a young woman. There are ways to ask for the artist to come back (getting their attention or the staff), worst case scenario the photog runs along and tries again. I must also say, the pictures of the moment she snaps are really good, it goes with the outfit and the performance, I saw the pictures first and thought it was acting!

[@axolotlchaos2318]

In the extended clip, you can clearly understand that's exactly what happened. There was a photographer behind the one she yelled at that told him to stfu after he kept yelling at her to get a pose, which prompted his response, "No, I will not stfu, she missed a spot!" The rest plays out as shown in the video

[@jomarch1645]

@@axolotlchaos2318 thank you i couldn’t find the whole thing. No one will be surprised : a majority of press photogs are men…

[@madelainem1852]

a huge piece of this that i feel like im not seeing anyone talk about is the role that homophobia plays in this whole situation? speaking as a visibly queer woman, the number of times I've watched other visibly queer woman in my community get celebrated for for being good at something for barely a split second before a pack of homophobic people (and straight girls in particular) come to pick her apart? The way their homophobia masquerades as "concern" or "advice" or as "just getting an icky vibe from her" or "not disagreeing with what shes saying, just not liking the way she had to say it"? The way they'll will push and poke and escalate until she snaps and defends herself, and then use her defensiveness to paint her as the villian? The way they'll act personally victimized by her choices even when those choices don't impact them at ALL (hello, people who didnt have tickets to the cancelled shows acting all betrayed online) because it just "gives them a bad vibe"? Its homophobia, y'all. Watching the section of this video that was all different girls on social media complaining about how she was unlikable and not like the other, better girls was genuinely giving me high school flashbacks.

[@strrwbrrryjam]

She is just a Real Life Woman with Real Life Boundaries, which she's allowed to have, even if she's a celebrity.

[@butterscotch2730]

i think this is also an authenticity paradox. people like chappell roans art because it's authentic, so is her media presence. but in this case authentic means "unpolished", and suddenly people can see that she's a real person, and real people are... annoying sometimes. edit: art isn't necessarily inauthentic because there is an alter ego or fictional character involved. and also you could possibly argue what authenticity in art even means etc.

[@jordylont1879]

People like celebrities until they speak up for themselves or societal and political issues. That's all this is

[@rashidareeves78]

The photographer at the VMAs was telling another photographer to stfu. That’s why it appeared to not make sense. He wasn’t talking to her because she wasn’t even talking, but her anxiety got the best of her.

[@SariniyaKiyu]

I was thinking about it! She wasnt saying anything, why would it be aimed at her??

[@nemesis5807]

​@@SariniyaKiyuWasn't it because they told her stylist to get out of the way?

[@josieg.design]

Thank you for objectively breaking it down and bringing compassion into the conversation, this was a really well-made video.

[@MeMand01]

She is the best thing to happen to music in a long time. Let her cook and leave her alone.

[@rickferlin5712]

I fully believe that if Chappell were a man and said the EXACT same things, he'd be celebrated and called a hero for being "down to earth" and "real." But since she's a woman, everything she says and does is taken in bad faith. It's 100% sexism imho. She's the most punk artist we've had in years who is genuinely herself and speaks truth to power, and all these kids expecting corporate-perfect-angel-pop-star are disappointed because she's not a Disney channel girl. Girl, she's a gay icon. And you didn't expect her to be unapologetically herself and set boundaries and take time for herself? I don't know who you thought you were a fan of, but this isn't a corporate capitalist pop star. Tbh i wish she stayed gay famous.

[@frederikklarname149]

I think you got it wrong. It is not how she says stuff, it actually is WHAT she is saying that people won't accept. But because not wanting to accept boundaries is toxic af people will spin it around. Chappell Roan doesn't need to change, the energy vampires need to.

[@kathryng9296]

It’s “how” she’s saying things in the sense that she’s a woman. And a queer one at that. Calling Chappell “condescending” and saying she’s “yelling” almost infantilises her imo. As though she’s not allowed to say things with her whole chest…

[@mooish2939]

I agree with this, a lot of the comments I've been reading were more angry cause they stopped listening at 'I won't endorse specific candidate'.

[@nii1877]

​@@kathryng9296 Heavy on this, when a women rants or get just a bit upset because call them sensitive and emotional!

[@remimk]

This video made me love her. She wasn't rude or a diva at all. She's literally like every other girl on TikTok. She stands up for herself and I respect that. She just isnt flawless. Thats her crime according to the internet.

[@fbarth11]

Nah canceling her shows for the VMAs is still fcked up. The rest is dumb, but not that bad.

[@yuribaka4809]

​@@fbarth11 yeah that one was a huge mistake

[@mischr13]

@@fbarth11 no it's really not. artists do this ALL THE TIME. I've been AT a show before and the artist walked on and cancelled lmfao what could possibly be different about chappell that makes you mad about it hmmmm

[@fbarth11]

@@mischr13 Nah I never saw that here in Germany 😁 Its considered an asshole move.

[@privatelaughter4654]

I was over it when she cancelled concerts for the VMAs. I understand health reasons etc. and I don't care about her tone or how she expresses herself. But that was the point where she showed her priorities and I just decided to not engage with "her" anymore. But I am an adult which means I also don't go around blasting her online.

[@toxiczombiewolf5692]

I think more people should set boundaries like she did. Just because someone's famous doesn't mean they owe you shit. You can support people without being invasive.

[@maramoon333]

Also she literally is literally bipolar and has every right to cancel her show to focus on her mental health. I think it’s a very responsible and self aware choice for her to make.

[@Leviathan99-h8l]

Sad to see Chappell Roan be ridicule by the public, press and fans who see her for wanting boundaries yet see as this ungrateful “witch” and with this in mind accuse her of biting the hand that fed her. It’s sad and frustrating to see as if that was a male celeb asking for boundaries, they would been seen as justifiable

[@saigeswordmusic]

48:48 - 49:02 I think Olivia Rodrigo worded this idea perfectly in making the bed: “I got the things I wanted, it’s just not what I imagined.”

[@meg5323]

I'd sooner trust someone who speaks their mind and says when something is bullshit, than someone who just plasters on a fake smile and stays silent.

[@carrotsprout5188]

I think the biggest fucking problem for celebrities is that it's so fucking normalized for reporters & photographers to fucking FOLLOW THOSE PPL EVERYWHERE? LIKE TO FUCKING VACATIONS!! VACATIONS!! that's the fucking biggest problem tbh

[@TrianaSole]

I think your theory about her being in this vicious cycle of not expressing herself very clearly, then getting more and more upset about people misunderstanding what she's trying to say and making the situation worse for herself on TikTok (+ rinse and repeat) is spot on. She's so talented, but clearly has no idea how to handle the sudden publicity. She really should just quit social media for a while and concentrate on her music until things calm down a bit.

[@tamaravsthevoid]

Why is it only femmes are suppose to ‘sugar coat’ things though? 10:49

[@Lisa-dv1xn]

I was thinking that!!

[@skaytearz]

This!!!

[@yuuriontepidwater]

Exactly.

[@mosdarko2252]

That podcaster woman in pijamas talking about the pressures of life and work is rich

[@jumpsuitCD]

Her first example of a blue collar job was a coalminer lmao The rich people's poor people's job

[@stella-mh8it]

her words proved it bc it never occured to her that chappell cancelled the show before the one she spoke about bc there was an agreement that she would be on the vmas and that she couldn't turn it down because that's part of her work. work means having to sacrifice things sometimes and maybe that's what she did that day. and maybe it wasn't chappell's decision to make.

[@shubz98]

What a nuanced and informed take. You keep getting better with every video!

[@LeBlonQ]

I agree with most of the video but I think it's disengenous to say that the people upset over the show cancellation are chronically online and living parasocial relationships as if people aren't upset over spending upwards to $500 dollars on tickets, hotels, food, transport and more, to have the show be cancelled less than a day. Be real.

[@lovetopisces]

I find this whole story infuriating. The entitlement people feel towards celebs is insane. You get the music and performance, you pay for it, done and gone.

[@DorianGay]

I think what she wants is reasonable, but I do think it sucks that she cancelled shows with like less than 24 hrs notice. People found out the show was cancelled while on the plane to the concert city, which like, you don't get that money back even if you get your ticket money refunded.

[@lila7720]

I think it was reasonable because it's a festival not a concert and also the fact that she is bipolar which basically means unpredictable mood swings.

[@lila7720]

I think both sides are understandable and I think both sides should arrive at a middle ground about respecting her boundaries and giving her space to process fame and also having a strategy about responding better to her audience.

[@mischr13]

ARTISTS HAVE LITERALLY WALKED ON STAGE AND CANCELLED BEFORE WITH ZERO NEWS OR BACKLASH ABOUT IT. people LAUGH about that sh-. getting mad on behalf of some random handful of people who MIGHT be upset is so terminally online you probably need therapy. speaking as someone who has done it, if you're FLYING to see a concert, then they have other things planned as well. it just means one of the days is gonna a few extra hours. *get real problems*

[@DorianGay]

@@mischr13 I think the person who needs therapy here is you, friend.

[@bpqq365]

Honestly, I think the way she talks is how a growing number of us our feeling: angry and frustrated at the powers and systems in place. I'm a woman tired of having to fit to societal norms of what a woman should be (ie, a sex object, a jester for the masses, etc). I'm a queer person tired of having to fit a specific definition of "acceptable queer." Im neurodivergent and have mental health disorders and I'm tired of having to mask those feelings for a society that would rather function without acknowledging me. I'm a leftist tired of seeing a government that doesnt represent my views. And because I'm tired, I'm filled with anger and at a loss for how to fix these systems in place. But I resonate with Chappell's videos and comments because she's putting into words exactly what I'm thinking, and how I feel about it. Its refreshing, and it gives me hope that things will change. Because I truly believe that even if she carefully crafted PR statements about these topics, there would still be a lot of criticism because many people do not want anyone to speak up about anything they disagree with. And even if she said it calmly, many fans wouldn't listen, or don't care to becayse the vast majority of people see celebrities as objects and not people. So in a situation like that, when calm discussion rarely works, the only thing that has a chance is to be on the offense and express that anger. And idk, I finally feel like I'm being seen and heard and my anger isn't getting shoved in a box because a man is telling me i'm getting emotional cause my voice is naturally higher and I get shaky. Of course it does, because I am human and not a carefully crafted PR doll built to commodify and please the paying masses.

[@likke_otter]

i love the way she responds. idk if its bc im autistic but i dont understand why people have a problem with her tone? i think what she said was very clear and the “unspoken” parts were very obvious but everyone is saying that she is rude and i dont see how she is. i feel people are listening to her emotions and not the words or the message that she’s conveying. i feel like im going crazy when i hear people say “she didnt word it well” bc i think she worded everything pretty well

[@Birdyboys]

@@likke_otterI’m autistic too and I feel the same way! It’s just unhealthy and weird to be this bent out of shape because someone won’t sugarcoat their words

[@WaltDevil060]

​@likke_otter I don't know. Her arguments are very reasonable but the way she says them is not. It makes her sound impulsive, even if that's not what she wants.She doesn't have a filter and she is way too vague with them. If I do see you and I behave like a creep, then yes you can tell me to piss off as many times as you want. But she never really specified that. I understood what she was saying, but a lot of people are stupid unfortunately, whether we like it or not. And the way you say things does matter to how others hear you, especially if they are brain dead internet trolls

[@bpqq365]

@@WaltDevil060 But I think for that specific comment, where she wants her fans to give her space, the immediate fan reaction is "but I'm not that kind of fan", but what she's asking is for ALL fans, creeps or not creeps, to leaver her alone unless she initiates. And I think that's valid. What she said and how she felts reminded me of when I was a kid and my parents made me hug my aunts and uncles even when I didn't want to. And my only thought when I saw the video about her fans was that "okay I won't come up to her if I see her in public. It will make me sad, but oh well I get that." I dont understand why it's such a difficult concept to get. I just don't agree that a celebrity needs to have a perfectly worded response because in today's day and age Everyone has an opinion and Everyone is going to voice it, so why bother sugarcoating when even the most well-crafted PR statement would come across badly. And so far no one has suggested a perfect statement that wouldn't still garner crtique and inciteful hatred because like it or not, a huge reason people jump on the Chappell Roan hate train is because she is an outspoken woman who's built her entire career out of being very vocal and out and proud, and she exists in a culture where anyone that cultivates a persona like that needs to be "humbled", and not just by the internet trolls, by mysognists, folks that hate pop music, folks that dislike celebs, homophobes, prudes, zioniosts, far right, etc. She doesn't have a filter but that was also why people loved her at first, that lack of filter when it comes to her music and songs. They are very loud and proud and honest and that was a part of her fame. It's only when she started saying things people didn't like (like she wanted boundaries which stan culture and celebrity entitlement hates, that she doesn't want to be pressured to make political statements, etc) that she's deemed impulsive or angry, even though she's always had this tone (look at her old tiktoks for example) She's had a target on her back since day one and all it took was a spark not necessary of her own doing but of clips and people pointing and going "hey I don't like this" for everyone to decide she is Too Loud and Too Proud and Too Vocal and Too Honest, even if when that was what they liked her for in the beggining

[@axolotlchaos2318]

I'm also autistic, and I have a hard time reading into things people say. I need things to be spelled out for me to understand them, AND EVEN I UNDERSTOOD HER MESSAGE. She's a breath of fresh air in the entertainment industry as a voice for those who feel theirs don't matter.

[@Chandlergis]

My take on the Chappell Roan stuff is this. 1. Her take on fans taking pictures with her was fair but she just needs a pr team lol. 2. Her saying she refuses to endorse a candidate will likely cause some of her left leaning fans to simply not vote which can cause the right to win which just will make things so much worse for her community. She should’ve just not said anything. 3. Her last minute cancelling for shows is completely unacceptable. People took time off work and paid so much money outside of tickets. We all have bad days but you can’t not show up to your job.

[@Princess_Weekes]

We eating good!

[@haleymist09]

Hi! Love seeing you here and your recent spot on The Financial Diet!

[@patlauron]

The cancelling shows really can make people mad. It's not just about the price of admission. It's the effort and time wasted. Fans are still customers and they have lives, too. Sudden cancellations are very unprofessional.

[@VforVendettas]

Right! I saw no one else talking about that. Like if I paid for that and it was canceled? I would not support them anymore either. They just stole my money that I scrimped and saved.

[@skaytearz]

But the show was part of a festival, wasn't it? If you buy tickets for a whole ass festival just to see one artist, and anything goes wrong, idk it falls upon you

[@meghansullivan6812]

Agree

[@msh1381]

Yes! It could be because I’m not a fan of hers so don’t have that attachment to her but in my opinion cancelling shows especially last minute seems very unprofessional (especially multiple times). At least give some notice so people don’t waste their time and money. I agree we shouldn’t be parasocial with celebrities but we shouldn’t coddle them either.

[@FioreDeste]

what bothers me is that artists cancel shows in latin america all the time and no one seems to care but because this time it has to do with the united states she gets cancelled for it lmao

[@usernotfound.......1918]

People usually fly out and buy hotels early for big shows bc if they don't it will be expensive, and a lot of people don't have paid time off so being stuck in a city with a full day off with nothing to do really grinds peoples gears.

[@Antilles00]

Yeah same for Europe, that's why the VMA cancellations are worse than the other ones imo.

[@aimeejenesse116]

@@usernotfound.......1918 Here people also fly out because they visit two or three cities in an extensive continent, my dude. And no one gives a shit.

[@trentsoto6852]

i dont even think her presentation and delivery of her feelings are that wild, she’s just speaking like a normal person would

[@agathewatrigant5050]

32:45 technically Marshall Mathers created Slim Shady AND Eminem

[@rav3style]

Gotta love the tone policing from gen z... I thought we were past this.

[@EP12]

If anything, it's gotten worse.

[@romankotas448]

We will always be like this, we’ve been like this since the beginning of societies

[@Wendy_Cedeno]

Specially coming from a man