The Cheap Big Cruising Sailboat - Endeavour 42

Interested in a 40-45 foot cruising sailboat? Sailing Florida or the Bahamas and need a shoal draft sailboat that’s big enough to be a safe and comfortable family cruising sailboat? Looking at an Endeavour 42? This week we tour an Endeavour 42 foot sailboat and look at the pros and cons of this big cruising sailboat.
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[@starboardfilms]

I own one, Im 70 years old and I sail it single handed with no problem. You missed the fact that they are rigged for an inner staysail which helps immensely when wind pipes up. I added a Code Zero for wonderful light air sailing. I can do 4 knots in a 6 knot wind with it, and that is FULLY loaded to push the weight to 33,000 lbs! Note that both heads have separate shower stalls, i use the forward one as a large hanging locker. Last, I have seen several E42s sell for over $100,000, so your comment about 60 to 80 might be old news. Of course, the condition is everything, I have seen a few I wouldn't pay 20 for!

[@DDixon3121]

As with all your videos, I truly enjoyed this one. You definitely caught my attention when you mentioned the name 'Creekmore'. I live in Mobile, Alabama, and Lee is a friend. Now well in his 70s and a member of Mobile Yacht Club, Lee remains an active sailor on Mobile Bay. When I purchased my 1996 Beneteau 42s7 in 2012, Lee performed the survey; he had done work on the boat for the previous owner so he was vary familiar with it. When I went to his home (located between Mobile and Dauphin Island, Alabama) to retrieve the survey, I had the opportunity to see his stand alone studio where he continues to do design work. Passing over the door threshold was like walking through a time portal. Hundreds of drawings were pigeon-holed along one wall while others littered drawing tables and various counters. Scattered on the walls were vintage photos from a time when Lee designed and built sailboats in south Florida. I've had the honor to sail with Lee; he's one of the best sailors I know. Several years ago he performed a major keel design for a another friend's early 80s Beneteau First 42, totally removing the fixed fin keel, cutting out the keel support, building a huge trunk and installing a daggerboard with a torpedo shaped lead condiguration at the bottom. Two 10 ton hydraulic cylinders actuate the dagger board. In the 90s Lee designed and built a Creekmore 25 for another friend. Utilizing the performance of a swinging centerboard, the sailboat dominated the local racing scene until it was badly damaged in an accident. Also in the 90s Lee designed a 60' racer named Heavy Metal, which had racing success along the Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida coasts. Lee oversaw the construction of the steel vessel at the owner, George Rogers' fabrication company, Mitternight Boiler Works north of Mobile. Sadly Mr. Rogers was killed in an automobile accident and Heavy Metal was sold. I recently heard, however, Heavy Metal is racing again out of the New Orleans area. Hopefully this information gives you an update on Lee Creekmore and his whereabouts.

[@ww1aero]

Was Lee related to ray Creekmore? Back in 1983, I bought a 46 foot Ray Creekmore designed solid glass hull, full keel cruiser. A guy named Hale Pauley was these selling bare hulls in Rhode Island and letting people build them in his "boat yard" in the woods.

[@chrisrulla6386]

@@ww1aero According to the internet: "Raymond Creekmore (1905-1984) is best known as a prolific artist and author, as well as a designer and builder of sailboats. Father of Lee Creekmore, also a designer of sailboats."

[@svmagnolia]

Excellent review and video on a decent boat. I considered a few Endeavor 42's when I was boat shopping but neither had the original fuel tank replaced. Instead, their owners had installed smaller "day" tanks in the 30 gallon range to somewhat get around the problem. Honest reporting on your part to bring that issue to light.

[@jamesdylewski]

As the 2nd owner of hull # 123 for 27 yrs. a 1985 ..I replaced the fuel tank with 3 seperate tanks for a total of 100 gal. with a fuel polishing and manifold system and fuel tranfer and 2 seperate filers so if one gets cloged you just switch over with a electric fuel pump, and replaced the aluminum water tanks with one in the keel and 2 under the main salon for atotal of 150gal. She is for sale and has been in fresh wate for 27 yrs.

[@JohnSJames-qv7ow]

One of the most diplomatic - semi-negative reviews I have ever seen - well done! The fuel tank placement seems nuts. Wish there was a better place for it to be located.

[@DrJohn493]

Many great memories sailing with friends on their Endeavor 40, coastal cruising Florida out of Panama City and knocking around the Abacos.

[@jamesdcarroll1]

You had me at "Sonny Crockett".

[@bobdailey9533]

‘Great again Tim! How about an article about the 1971 Gulfstar 36?

[@paulcharlesworth5296]

I loved your endeavor 42 piece and would very much like to see you do something on the freedom 40/40

[@dtrguy2707]

The E42 was on my short list… ultimately I felt that the Gulfstar 44 overall was a better choice. Solid fiberglass hull layup construction, slightly deeper draft, offshore capability, none of the tank issues, and often (and I don’t believe this is warranted) less expensive on the used market…. It would almost seem the E42 and Gulfstar 44 share designs (in many ways) at a glance they appear very similar. I’d LOVE for the Gulfstar 44 to get a review. Online there is really only one very thorough review and it is pretty glowing. Both boats were built in the Tampa-St Pete area during similar periods with rhe GS44 being a little older I think.

[@HandyMan657]

I've always enjoyed time spent on them. Nice boat. Thanks, Tim n Crew Fair wind all

[@johndrucker1170]

Very interesting and informative. I would be interested in a review of a Morgan Out-Island 41. Particularly circa 1972 sloop versions.

[@jasonfrodoman1316]

If anyone is interested. There is a 40C on Lake Mead that sold for $25k. It was hauled to the last years ago from the gulf. It never gets used.

[@TheCornucopiaProject-bd5jk]

With every review, it feels like I found my next perfect boat. So much is about priorities in these designs as well as filling a gap in whatever was offered at the time. Most of us dream of ocean passages. And most of us will never set out to one. For that reason, the coastal cruiser Caribbean friendly sailboat will always remain the practical gold standard for any US East coast sailor. The 60’s to 80’s were the heyday of builder startups. Incredible designs, from seaworthy to racer. But many of them either went out of business or got bought up. By the late 80’s or 90’s. Can you made a series about new builders who started in the 2000’s til now? Is there inspiring new talent willing to take risks?

[@stevedean-q5q]

Love your boat reviews as they are very informative and loaded with pics. Have you, or will you be doing a review of the O'day 30/31? Thank you & keep the boat reviews coming!

[@eborresen]

I love these Practical Sailor videos. Very informative.

[@mattnurre4446]

I won the 2022 Chicago to Mackinac race, cruising division on my 1988 Endeavour 42. Solid boat, fast off the wind and a total killer in light wind. Allot of marketing out there for the new designs but this one is great for cruising and when you want to really push the gas she is solidly built that she can handle the pressure. S/V Obsession, look it up. Class win in 2016, 4th in 2018, 4th in 2021, and first overall in 2022. Chicago race to Mackinac. By the way, draft is 5.5 not 4.5.

[@nickwillis68]

In the cruising boat theme, I think you've got to review the Gozzard 37 which is their redesign of the 36. It's a great example of trade-offs with plenty of pros and cons. Hull #1 happens to be in Rhode Island... :)

[@edwardstarrett5545]

I'll definitely look at any that may be available next spring.

[@gkrebs6636]

HOW DID I LET 10 DAYS GO BY AND NOT SEE YOUR VIDEO??? I never do that lol

[@w4vp9kf]

I've sailed several Endeavours and they were good for what you say. However, the factory had extremely variable woodworking standards due to carpenters 'moving on' to other builders in the Tampa/Largo area. Some were well put together and finished. Others were simply terrible (and you can see almost instantly). Of the alternatives, the CSYs were built very thick but they had to be because I've seen so many covered in blisters and requiring robotic stripping. The mid-80s Gulfstars were extremely variable with consecutive hull numbers showing no blisters through to really bad. Extremely careful surveying is required of all of them. There's no such thing as a 'cheap' sailing boat, especially in Florida. If you beat down from the original price, you'll find that all that money will go back into fixing it and probably a lot more. Shop around heavily. My friend Rick Shelley (surveyer, St. Pete.) taught me so much and had been QA at Endeavour and CSY in the 80s. I'm sure he moved on through frustration. "Every boat has it's price" - it's a matter of making sure you walk away when you realize it's just too much to fix!

[@maicaw113]

Excellent review.

[@Mojo522]

2000 Beneteau 40 CC, someday, hopefully, lol. I'm working on it. It's umm, a work in progress. Save, save, & save some more. Lol

[@davescott1491]

Excellent review!

[@willrupley2253]

Ive always liked the Endeavor 42 . I think it is a cut above the Morgan OI . The fuel tank is the biggest drawback for me . I have heard of some owners cutting a hole in the bottom of the at to replace the leaking tank .

[@svoctopus4888]

Thank you for the reviews. I've learned a lot. Could you do a review on the Ericson 41? Thanks!

[@EDavis0111]

I would love to see a review of the Pearson 365 Ketch. This is my first cruising sailboat. I own a 1976, but at the moment simply use it for day sailing.

[@paulstephens5229]

I would like to see you do a Kraken, but putting that aside maybe a discussion of the pros and cons of fibreglass v aluminium

[@TheCornucopiaProject-bd5jk]

Aluminum for freshwater, fiberglass for saltwater. End of discussion. Just kidding. However I think it’s best to keep anything that corrodes below the waterline to a minimum. Unless you are willing to put up with the increased maintenance. One factor you can’t control is stray current in the water from other boats at the marina. If on the other hand your boat is small enough to be hauled out on the ramp, that shouldn’t be much of an issue. Just my thoughts on it.

[@vincentsrzentic596]

Very informative, thanks!

[@RichardKniffin-b9y]

Nice Review. I would like to see a review of the Hunter 49 aft cockpit 2007-2011.

[@bnelkin]

Well, I'm sold 😊

[@shawnivie4557]

If you get opportunity, could you let us know your thoughts on the E42’s big brother, the Endeavour 52? Great video by the way!

[@beorbeorian150]

I think a popular feature is the separate shower

[@TheCornucopiaProject-bd5jk]

I love that huge freezer

[@janotvrdon615]

One more tip for review: Bavaria 44, or 47, or 49k years 2003-2010

[@ericerven5456]

Another great video!

[@davecopp9356]

Is this the former LadyKsailing channel? Thanks for your videos.

[@UncleJoeLITE]

Both channels are still open for business! But I get your point, Tim's still sorting out what goes where I think. He also has a lot more work now, cheers from AU dave.

[@davecopp9356]

@@UncleJoeLITE Thanks. Cheers from the middle of Europe.

[@Dan-ut5fz]

Nice presentation, very similar to the Catalina/Morgan 43 also built in Largo Florida

[@rickydimaria5019]

Yes, In essence it is.

[@PhilipDonovan-ed5pd]

I would like you to review X-yachts - yes European but a superb yacht.

[@jfkdotcom]

what a great review! summarizing the sail handling characteristics was really good, thank you!

[@johnnickel8182]

can you do a review of the CSY 44

[@javacup912]

Endeavors most tidious problem is its iron beam mast step and iron under sole grid. They rust horribly. Otherwise fine boats.

[@mikew3194]

When you say the lack of dorades lends itself more to island hopping... Do you mean that someone island hopping is perhaps just spending a long weekend on the boat as opposed to being aboard full-time, so it's not necessary?

[@robertgold2643]

No mention of whether or not it comes with a used pet crocodile named Elvis? 😎😎😎

[@chrisperkins290]

I would like to see commentary analysis of 1991 island Packet 29

[@clintontaylor8904]

Biggest problem is this boat exceeds the 40ft threshold while having a waterline of less than 35ft which is the liveable space This adds to marina and slip costs. Also these boats while beautiful are now aging,harder to insure and likely needs a re-fit If you can find one with a fresh refit I'd jump on it but only if it was in good shape

[@TheCornucopiaProject-bd5jk]

The age is what makes them attractive. The price drops after 20 years of age

[@clintontaylor8904]

@@TheCornucopiaProject-bd5jk breaking the 40ft threshold while having a waterline or usable space of 34 ft is a deal breaker for me Those slip fees for breaking the 40ft threshold will add up

[@TheCornucopiaProject-bd5jk]

@@clintontaylor8904 yes it gets expensive. But it’s meaningful less when at anchor. And the extra length give you more speed and sailing pleasure. Always a trade off.

[@clintontaylor8904]

@@TheCornucopiaProject-bd5jk yep.. Buying a boat is always a compromise..

[@Al-Storm]

​@@clintontaylor8904Depends where you are. In my area anything over 35 gets the big boat tax. At that point you're just playing for extra ft.

[@AEFisch]

Sounds abnormally slow and without a full keel? I wonder if given the price, if anyone has tried to add a wing to the keel? I know it's been done on some boats. You mentioned a Brewer 44, they have that notched keel and at least by reputation don't sail badly?

[@UncleJoeLITE]

Again you've found a boat that just hits me when I look at her Tim. Just a timeless look imho.⚓ Much prettier & nicer than the 42 c/c I'm crewing, I love her interior & the fact she isn't all teak! I'm not sure she's a single-hander unless you're in good shape & quite experienced. I couldn't really. But is she a "Cheap Big Sailing Boat" or a "Big Value 42 Sailing Boat"? _I'll stfu now._

[@garywinslow2973]

Tayana 42 Vancouver.

[@karmalarma4367]

re- S-2 9.2A model

[@Al-Storm]

I've seen several of these bouncing around the world.

[@jasonremple7789]

WD SCHOCK 35

[@pavementsailor]

Lol. I had a Creekmore 34.

[@ahoneyman]

Didn't Don Johnson have a pet alligator living on the boat in the show?

[@jefflaydon3381]

Elvis

[@bellwether9496]

hmmm pastel linen and gold chains...

[@Str4ng3F0lk]

Niagara 35

[@SimonElenor]

Is there a "ketch" to this vessel? Yawl are crazy!

[@tharrison4691]

😂 Well done!…if you ketch my drift

[@juicebox853]

A can of worms

[@stevenplancich6449]

Appears to be a POS…Why spend any time on a Junky Boat?

[@retevis]

Hi, I really enjoyed your video and would love to work with you on a marine machine, but I can't find your email. Could you give us a chance to work together!