The Christian Future: John Milbank on the Self-Inflicted Wounds of the Church and How to Heal Them

[@thenewhumanum]

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[@Zaradeptus]

Just discovered this channel. What a gem. How is it still so small is a surprise. May it grow!

[@iwattguitar]

Outstanding interview of a fascinating thinker. Thank you!

[@anselman3156]

Hi Ian. Nice to come across you here and to see you have performances on your channel. Best wishes to you. Your former fellow server at St Bride's, Alex.

[@travisa2455]

I see John Milbank on your KZbin channel, I subscribe to your KZbin channel. Simple as.

[@garychartier8365]

Me, too.

[@elias.knotman]

Wonderful interview, thank you. I hadn't been aware of either the channel or the work of John Milbank. It's so refreshing to hear a theologian really attempting to grapple with the strangeness of our times. I would return to the Anglican church, but I sense that things are not right there. I do think it has something to do with authority, and that is perhaps what I'm looking for; not politeness and right-think.

[@thisissweeney5494]

Incredible thinker. Also this is prob the first time I’ve seen Prof. Millbank not on a blurry zoom camera LOL

[@bayreuth79]

While its true that Christianity improved the Roman Empire its also true to say (as D B hart does) that Christianity's assimilation into the imperium weakened Christianity, which was one of the reasons that so many people became monks and nuns in the deserts and mountainous regions of the empire. Thomas Merton once said that such people fled the Christian civilisation as a kind of "ship wreck".

[@ivtch51]

Oh! I disagree with John's words about homosexuality. I think his word "tolerance" is becoming outdated. Sure, Christianity has a history of ups and downs in respect to homosexual toleration See John Boswell's classic "Christianity, Social Tolerance and Homosexuality". However, today is the first time in human history where LGBT folk are accepted as part of the mainstream eg. nondiscrimination laws & marriage equality. I would take exception to his over emphasis of an exclusive gay identity. We are all primarily human persons with social and familial bonds of loyalty and affection beyond any given group. It is only in times of oppressive exclusion that any group ghettoizes for survival and support. Hopefully this mode of behavior is becoming less necessary.

[@arnoldvezbon6131]

Homosexuality is a sexual sin and has no place in Christianity. If you can't drop the perversion to serve Christs you can go do your own thing and stop demanding Christianity accept you. You do not have marriage in the church and there fore no such thing as gay marriage since true marriage is between one man one woman and God. Everything else is a worldly imitation without substance.

[@davidmiller9843]

Can you tell me what the theme music is to the New Humanum? Thank you. These programmes should be more widely viewed. They are excellent.

[@stephenarnold6359]

The whole point about the medieval synthesis, however imperfect, was that it embraced society as a whole and permeated the lives of almost everybody. The attempted post-romantic synthesis that Millbank describes (and which he by implication suggests is superior), is utterly marginal at the societal level and even affects individuals at a much shallower level

[@psiinc]

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[@notavictim2007]

“If you scorn improving things that’s the wrong sort of elitism” said the anti-capitalist.

[@RootinrPootine]

Correct

[@jeffreykalb9752]

It's funny that Milbank should consider himself part of "Radical Orthodoxy", when he is so clearly a flaming heretic.

[@333_studios]

30:35. A breath of fresh air to also hear the dangers of the “reverse direction.” A “grim puritan bolshevikisn,” where spirituality excludes an incarnated existence connected to our bodies and the natural world.

[@newdawnrising8110]

The Church has to offer the culture something better then it has so far. The teachings of the monastics with with the practices of hesychasm has to Be brought to the mainstream. Ppl need the teachings that show us how to be Christian. Not just tell us how to act and be without showing us the way to actually change and be able to be authentic Christians. We can not simply have a church that tells us how to act and be without teaching us how to do it. The more esoteric teachings from orthodox monastics has to be offered to the ppl. Ppl want to verify their beliefs and we have to show the way to do this. Then we can have real Christianity that is transformative and not just empty beliefs. Christianity has not been tried and found wanting, rather it has never actually been tried on a large scale. The teachings and practices of the orthodox monastics still produces Saints today. Ppl wish to become saints but the church is not teaching how this can be achieved. This knowledge has to be shared with the wider public. At least with those real seeker that are willing to make the efforts needed.

[@brendangriffith4413]

Thank you for this fascinating interview

[@watermelonmanied]

It's wonderful to hear John Milbank eruditely and eloquently analysing, synthesising and expressing many of the concerns I also feel but am often overwhelmed by in our culture today.

[@ClarkeZona-t8w]

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[@brotherbroseph1416]

A lot of Christians think the Lord will return in 10-400 years. They make no contextual understanding within Eschatology of Christ returning in the particular 10000-500000000 years from now.

[@johnstewart7025]

Metaphysical? Existential works, too. Head out on your steed, on a quest. Or follow your star. Get unhorsed. Learn right and wrong the hard way.

[@carlodefalco7930]

Luke 12 :13= 23 .. Jesus WAS NOT a socialist…. , nor a full on capitalist….. what kind of professor of Christianity are you 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@Robb3348]

a world-famous, hugely influential one

[@arnoldvezbon6131]

You want Christianity to accept homosexuality so maybe sit down and shut up.

[@carlodefalco7930]

What religion has to accept is . People have a sexual preference and stop telling them , they go to hell for acting on their preference …. As long as neither party is being coerced.. forced to do anything they don’t want to . I.e consenting adults ..

[@carlodefalco7930]

The religious guys opening statement about , he can’t understand … it’s incoherent , shows no repair is possible from him, because as a professor his mind should be open and even if he doesn’t agree with the views others hold he should still be able to understand how ,why they have them and how they convince themselves, accept these ideas he finds ludicrous.. 😳🤔🙄 he is at the same level as those who find his beliefs, of which their is no proof , ridiculous and unbelievable.. relying on scripture to convince others is pointless 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@KRGruner]

Re: the supernatural. LOL, "it (the view that denies the supernatural) just strikes me as incoherent..." What kind of argument is that? How is it incoherent? Have you never heard of the Euthyphro dialogue, for example? What is this nonsense? The reality is almost everyone lives their lives assuming the supernatural, if it even exists, is irrelevant. Do not listen to what people say, look at how they act.

[@OUTBOUND184]

It's incoherent because it becomes relativist, as they go on to say.

[@KRGruner]

@@OUTBOUND184 But it does NOT become relativist. That is why I pointed out to the Euthyphro, or did you miss that part?

[@OUTBOUND184]

@@KRGruner materialists have no objective truth upon which to base their moral framework. I think you're confused. The Euthyphro dilemma (if this is what you're referring to) isn't a dilemma as it's a false choice. It isn't God's will that makes the good good. God is goodness itself.

[@KRGruner]

@@OUTBOUND184 LOL, OK, whatever... "God is Goodness itself..." is devoid of any meaning. But beyond that, while it is true that materialists are lost souls, the alternative to materialism is NOT the supernatural. If you think it is, you are sadly mistaken.

[@OUTBOUND184]

@@KRGruner They're using the word 'supernatural' as a byword for the immaterial principles upon which a Christian moral framework is based. You're coming across as an incredibly cynical and pugnacious person. God as goodness itself is not meaningless in the least, the only thing that comment reveals is the extent of your ignorance. I'll pray for you.