The Christian Horror Movie that Destroyed My Soul

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

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[@LouisGedo]

👋 hi looking forward to watching this review

[@calliemyersbuchanan6458]

You have NO idea how grateful i am that you made this video!!! My conservative christian dad has been nagging me to watch this film probably once a month ever since it came out! I just haven't had the energy to sit through it. He cites it as being some absolute genius piece of film making that i swear he believes is the ultimate mic drop, check mate atheists movie ever! I now understand why he asked me out of seemingly nowhere about my stance on the death sentence. Thank you for saving my time and sanity because I can now shut him up and give him the conversation he THINKS he's been waiting for. lol

[@johncordbooks593]

Made a vid re famous Atheists Dawkins, Gervais, Maher, Shapiro & you. I am glad to have watched this, as I stopped watching you too years ago simply because of the snide smart-butt attitude. I am not religious. I can care less what anyone's religion is or is not & all of my Atheist friends (and most my Christian, Jewish, Muslim friends) would do a better job than any of the world leaders & the powerful voices of opposition. I could care less if there is a Heaven or Hell, but that the hell-on-earth stop. I had reason to begin studying the Bible at 15. I am not monetizing or seeking fame or subscribers, but that someone will speak the ancient problem source & nonviolent solution to the politics of racism, fascism, misogyny, homophobia, Antisemitism & wars. I appreciate your tone, your delivery is not snide or condescending. The Bible is not to be literalized. This is why there is no true Atheist opposition to the fake God lovers ('wolves in sheep's clothing') that insist the Bible is the literal word of God. It is the spiritual word about an unseen, All-Good Spirit & Mind we are to exemplify, being Good Carpenters, resolving rising problems without hurting others, no matter our literal rituals or our "I believe" or "I don't believe" words. Wish I had known you at some point when you were studying. I think we would have been good friends. All my Atheist friends had been raised in abusive religiosity, superstition & magical dogma. Some were looked upon as rejects, even rejected by their own families. Most wonderful, open-hearted, loving people. What else really matters in the end? I hope you will consider watching my most-recent upload. Stay well.

[@PaulQualls5k475McCoy]

This idea that moloch simply is a sacrifice to Yahweh seems like speculation off of a Semitic homophone. How do you account that Leviticus specifically condemns child sacrifice to moloch ? Leviticus 20:2-5 and Jeremiah 32:35 for example. Even if you can’t accept the Bible as legitimate history it’s the clear indigenous belief system of its writers. Are you saying later writers changed it? Or that they ancient Israelites are tryna gas light us into thinking they weren’t down with human sacrifice and there was God Named molek who was a God of their rival tribe the ammonites?

[@PhillipMoore-td5yi]

The way you gave irrational malice as a reason for the Nefarious's illogical actions then came back around and gave those as possible motives for the writer's illogical character writing was genius. Thank you Genetically Modified Skeptic.

[@YeetusMcLeap]

Fun fact: the crew went on strike because they were not given health or retirement benefits, and the production company was (surprise surprise) firing people suspected of working to unionize the crew. So it wasn't demons, it was laborers who wanted better conditions.

[@jacobnoelle8428]

They would still blame demon for the workers to try to unionized.

[@joshweedon1967]

It's obviously the work of the Adversary when people want to be conpensated adequately

[@MargaretBurmingham-qm5dx]

conservative christians acting unchristian?? say it ain´t so

[@sovietdoge.7369]

How conservative of them

[@MarielWhalley]

I was right to think that it was actually just poor work conditions lol

[@ann18o96]

"You have no power here, because I am a proud atheist" Said no atheist in a normal conversation ever. Like the normal response of an atheist is "well I don't believe in demons, I believe humans cause the suffering". Which does not make one immune in any way to a person who thinks they're posessed. The human could very well still be dangerous, afterall he's talking to a murderer.

[@EzaleaGraves]

Yeah, I remember thinking that when watching the movie "You athiests think your beliefs will protect you from divine punishment" Uhh, no? Athiests don't believe there is any divine punishment to be protected against.

[@Goudlock]

Like in real life : If you want to never be possesed by any demon, from any religion it's super easy : be atheist, wierdly enough MOST people who think they are posessed are religious people.

[@michaelmcdoesntexist1459]

Dunno man, in my experience I've known a lot of atheist who speak like that, specially among young people or freshly deconverted ones. Which is unfortunate because it give us a bad name.

[@Goudlock]

@@michaelmcdoesntexist1459 it's because of the narrative of the religious people, who try to brainwash people into thinking that atheism is a religion

[@ann18o96]

@@michaelmcdoesntexist1459 I think you have a point, that guy talks like he was just freshly out of a religion and has some trauma that makes him have a weird focus on that posession claim. That would explain a lot tbh xD And the reconversion to theism would make sense if he was really unstable and in a phase of questioning. But he's.... a 30 or 40 year old man with an impressive career when they let him decide over an inmates life. The movie would be very funny if the character was a young queer black person from christian cult background who studies psychology, and has a random encounter with that inmate.

[@dustinpilon2258]

"Hell's most inept demon accidentally converts an atheist to Christianity" could actually make a pretty interesting comedy film

[@dionmcgee5610]

Best summation to that didactic religious screed I've heard so far. What a waste of time. Glad I was working on something else and wasted only half of my mental faculties on that proselytizing dreck.

[@williejones6446]

In my head that black mirror episode Demon 79 is actually a wacky horror comedy.

[@Watari-c2m]

He never actually became Christian though, he became agnostic.

[@maemorri]

Wasn't that the plot of the Screwtape Letters? That one had me rolling. The metanarrative being "Christianity's most supercilious apologist convinces another child that Christianity takes anything cool and makes it lame."

[@dustinpilon2258]

@@maemorri haven't seen Screwtape Letters, but I'll have to check it out

[@sammonroe882]

Wait... 9 of the 15 guys who work together in the same department caught a highly contagious illness in a time when the illness was spiking nationwide?! Get out of town!!!! Truly the work of outside forces beyond our understanding...

[@hexkirn]

And they propably thought god would have their backs and didn't bother with masks or other precautions.

[@logansinclair7488]

Believing in demons tends to make them more likely to haunt you I guess. If you think you're being tormented by a demon a 100% effective solution is to stop believing demons exist, I use it all the time.

[@Blackvolttage]

No no, you got it backwards. The whole reason satan used the evil chiineses to create the pandemic was to try and stop this one movie from being made. Their conspiracy dont need to make sense, it just need to make it all about themselves while helping furthering all their prejudices.

[@BlackCover95]

Demons were so determined to stop this film, they created a new pandemic, apparently. /s

[@aersla1731]

You are telling me diseases aren't an act of god?

[@LMF1716]

For a "master manipulator" I get the impression that the demon guy would struggle to manipulate his way out of a wet paper bag

[@julsdemers4740]

honestly it feels like the demon manipulated himself somehow 😅

[@hassanoleary]

One would think a master manipulator would use flattery, or agree *at least once* with the person they're trying to manipulate.

[@SnakeMan448]

Writers really want it both ways with demons, that they can play humans like a fiddle but they're also very unsubtle about being evil, because the audience might get confused about the alignment of the supernatural entity that manipulates others for its own ends if the entity wasn't hamming it up and the world turned spooky about it. Ironically, this need to have an evil character revel in being evil reflects poorly on the producers. One comment on this video notes that they're abusing their staff with cut benefits and union busting, and another comment suspects that they used the demon as a mouthpiece to dogwhistle bigotry. The producers' cruelty is just business as usual to them, as they think a facade of niceness makes what they do not evil.

[@kadenhansen948]

The writers choosing to preach Christianity through the mouth of a demon character is poetically reflective of how the rest of the world hears them speak.

[@VenathTehN3RD]

Hey, Lucy-Goosey and his top tier manipulators can't be everywhere at once. Sometimes he's gotta send out the disgruntled interns and apathetic temps.

[@mykhalable9433]

My wife picked this movie on the recommendation of a coworker. We got 10 minutes in before I said, "this is a evangelical propaganda movie." We didn't finish it and decided to sacrifice some babies instead.

[@gregoryvn3]

A wholesome alternative! 😉

[@BenCarpenterWrites]

Hail Molek

[@davidmeehan4486]

Thanks for the date night idea!

[@rishinsenguptagoddestroyer5024]

Hail Lord Moloch! Hail Lord Baal! Hail The Old Gods of Canaan!

[@dyerseve3001]

But how did they taste? I find them to be a bit high in fat content and not in the good way like Waygu.

[@cameronwilsey9334]

Interesting how the demon turned out to be a devout Evangelical Christian. What a twist of the trope

[@sarascarpati887]

yep,this is pretty realistic

[@catdownthestreet]

It's both hilarious and sad that they have become the thing they claim to hate the most. They always say things like "That's how the devil gets you, when you don't believe," but oftentimes it seems more like the devil has them, because they are convinced that their sins are righteous and that hate and unwillingness to empathize is the true Christian way

[@julietfischer5056]

@@catdownthestreet- They think it's possible to hate the sin but not the sinner, or that people who don't believe are pretending to not believe so that they can sin. Meanwhile, their religion says you can be a rapist-murderer for years, then go to Heaven if you accept Jesus before you die---but the people who caught you will go to Hell if they aren't the 'right' sort of Christian. Or that you can get falling-down drunk every day, repent and give your soul to Jesus on Sunday, and do this repeatedly but still get into Heaven as long as you get right with Jesus.

[@victoriousf.i.g.3311]

That's just Kenneth Copeland.

[@ClaeFace]

@@julietfischer5056yooo we love zero accountability

[@neurodestruction]

9 minutes into the video and my screenwriting brain went “what if the psychiatrist was Christian? The film would be so much more compelling.” Like, a lot of psychiatrists and doctors are believers and I can imagine it’d be really difficult for a Christian psychiatrist to hear a patient claim they’re a demon and not know if they’re being manipulative, delusional, or brutally honest. That’s a story I’d be happy to see on screen. But Christianity is only concerned with proselytizing and nothing else.

[@LeafHuntress]

This is insane. When this video started & laid out the premise of the film & the first couple of scenes, i was like, that isn't logical, the demon should do this, this & this. Then Drew spoke on some of those points & came up with another film idea. And now you've got an even better idea. How freaking bad is this film?

[@francesconicoletti2547]

I came to say almost the same thing. From the viewpoint of the demon the atheist is going to hell as soon as he dies so why bother with him, he is a win already. Reqest a preist to tempt and then there is a story.

[@hassanoleary]

A psychiatrist and practicing Christian could face a professional/moral quandary of judging between a mentally ill prisoner in need of help vs. evil incarnate who must be rebuked. That's a more compelling dilemma than anything featured in the film, and relies more on a crisis of conscience instead of inexplicable moral browbeating *from a murderous hellspawn.*

[@rosiejl2798]

If it wanted to portray psychiatrists doing an assessment accurately there would be no tension without displaying overt supernatural occurrences rather than just claiming to be a demon, something that can happen in psychosis or a prisoner pretending to be psychotic and would be familiar to a experienced christian psychiatrist consulting in the justice system.

[@meowtherainbowx4163]

Every step of the way, this film could've made better decisions.

[@aleccarlyle8108]

It is now my headcanon that Neffy is actually just really really bad at his job and thats why he's been stuck possessing that guy. Like he genuinely forgot how to just leave

[@shrekiscool4743]

Dude is stalling while he tries to find the instruction manual

[@Colddirector]

I'm totally imagining Neffy being the laughing stock of the other demons. He probably didn't even intend to possess that body, his coworkers just shoved him as a prank and he fell into it.

[@b.collins2656]

he was a new fallen angel that just dropped into hell and the other demons tricked him into possessing some dude on death row for shits and giggles.

[@amandapanda5087]

I like this headcanon

[@rossmerritt1398]

It's funny that when adverse weather affects them, it's the devil attacking them for their righteousness. But when adverse weather affects people they don't like (like hurricanes striking New Orleans) it's God punishing those people for their sins.

[@OscarSommerbo]

Naturally.

[@shiny2401]

This is really funny because one of my country's religious leader released an Islamic version of this statement. There was an incident due to human negligence that took a person's life but the leader claimed the incident to be a divine punishment because the opposition party (something akin to liberals) are ruining the country. What's with monotheistic religions and their divine punishment for anyone they don't like?

[@mkewell83]

I would've thought they'd invoke mysterious ways instead of ceding some of god's power to the devil.

[@Hurricayne92]

@@mkewell83 that would require a basic level of consistancy

[@gregthomas8441]

Coming from the N. O. (Nouvelle Orléans), I concur 😮😂💪🏾😎👍🏾🎉❤🤗

[@matthewgustavson4843]

Pausing at 2:30 to note to myself "Horror movie by the directors of God's Not Dead" has the same sort of ominously boring energy as "Adult animation cartoon by the daily wire."

[@BenChaverin]

Lolll

[@Lrbearclaw]

I would say "Christian Horror" could work, but I would want a secular (aka mainstream) company to produce the movie. Then you have a broader reach and yet it is then given the same treatment mainstream horror is.

[@Colddirector]

@@matthewgustavson4843 you got me imagining a New Norm spinoff where they spout evangelical talking points to awkward canned laughter instead, but also wierdly place God and Elon Musk at the same level of reverence. Someone’s gotta trick them into making this PLEASE

[@arkangel7819]

Bruh, Christian horror has been mainstream horror the whole time the most used trope is about a nonbeliever or losing faith archetype becoming a believer and reaffirming their faith. Ala The Exocist, Fright Night, From Dusk till dawn and many more.

[@Lrbearclaw]

@@arkangel7819 I'm referring to the stuff written for the Christian community. That said, you are not wrong. It's more a perspective thing, mostly.

[@theluckiestllama5750]

"Can you guess what the second murder is?" Me: Abortion. *Movie rambles on about abortion* Me: Called it!

[@MissSpaz]

Lmao same, as soon as I heard the first murder I was like, okay the second one is abortion.

[@Nixus237]

Yep

[@Samson16436]

A sacrifice! Hail Satan!

[@optimusprime777slap]

​@@Samson16436do you believe that or are you joking?

[@sayorancode]

​@@optimusprime777slap regardless of which that is not your business

[@gangrene11]

I just have to take a minute to appreciate how weird it is that the Christian filmmakers use the demon to speak on their behalf.

[@willjapheth23789]

Basically, siding with their own demons to mock atheists.

[@shardator]

Is it? If I was a demon, I would be an evangelical Christian preacher.

[@kevincrady2831]

@@shardator They should have gotten Kenneth Copeland to play the part. "Don't worry about getting into character, Mr. Copeland. Just be yourself." Now _that_ would have been scary!

[@RedKincaid]

I've said before, if hell is real there won't be any room for me since it'll be full to the brim with religious people who thought to the end they were being righteous by spreading hate

[@Silburific]

​@@kevincrady2831kenneth copeland was one of the scariest, most demonic looking mfers I've ever had the displeasure of seeing. Lots of christian media could be decent if not good if the people making it had an ounce of self awareness... But if they did, they probably wouldn't be christians.

[@AJ-gt6ts]

Imagine if J.R.R. Tolkien blamed demons for his stories not turning out perfectly right away. Christian writers could take a page from Tolkien's work ethic and genuine love for storytelling if they were _actually_ serious about telling better stories -- not just searching for better ways to moralize.

[@UOUPv2]

If anyone wants an actually good example of Christian writing (spoiler alert: it's largely because the maker just wanted to make something awesome and not convert people) check out the video game Faith. Or, if you're not a gamer check out some let's plays / breakdowns here on KZbin. The maker is a devout Christian who uses his Christianity to fuel his amazing story telling.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

Tolkien was an incredibly humble human being. Christians really should take a page from his book.

[@pansepot1490]

Lol. When the Christian screenwriter said “we need better stories” my mind immediately went to the Bible. 😅 I thought it was a subconscious admission that the whole book is just a mediocre piece of fiction. 😅

[@DoubleLogD]

​@@pansepot1490 also some books of the Bible are pretty entertaining if you can digest the way it's written

[@iantaakalla8180]

Honestly, for how much it is a side story within the Bible, the book of Job is a standout for it having such grand statements because Job’s friends refuse to understand that God let Satan take everything from him. The other is the Book of Judges because of how hilariously cyclical it is, (that people grow complacent with God, God punishes them, a Judge is sent to deliver them from harm, and the people believe again) and how apparently profaning God that much caused the Babylonian Exile.

[@mr.explodey6745]

>super duper evil demon guy >writers use him as a mouthpiece what did they mean by this

[@DeusExAstra]

The ironic thing here is that an atheist can come up with better ideas for a "Christian" propaganda movie than actual Christians.

[@okiedad5784]

Mostly bc most atheists know more about Christianity than professed Christians

[@universome511]

No

[@animelover12261]

As a christian these guys can't read the bible correctly so don't worry though from what I learned atheist cannot make better ones either almost all horror movies I've seen always put really stupid fake made up christian believes that Christians don't believe or do one of my favorite is that the priest can never defeat the demon the atheist does by fighting back doing random shit because in the bible all it takes is faith and saying Jesus Name to get rid of one so I guess they had to make up extra dumb things oh and twist the Bible alot so it can work and it just comes of stupid and funny when I watch them

[@aguywithcommonsense1204]

@@universome511good counter argument /s

[@universome511]

@@aguywithcommonsense1204 let's not pretend pats on each other's backs are arguments

[@Ali-kf5bd]

As an atheist, I think this could have been a genuinley scary movie if they had just thought for a second about a non Christian's actual point of view. As it is it just comes off as so silly.

[@lastyhopper2792]

It just comes off as a bad Christian ads.

[@arandomhashbrown3756]

Indeed. I was invested in it until the atheist said "Well I'm an atheist" It all went down the drain for me.

[@mkewell83]

They need to start hiring atheists to consult on these projects.

[@AtomicMama42]

This COULD have been a good horror flick. I love me some theology based horror! But like you said it comes off silly because they genuinely don't comprehend how non religious people think

[@Colddirector]

The irony is they can’t work with any atheist writers because the only reason they want good stories is for conversions sake, not just to make a good story.

[@gem9535]

My mom, who is all but ADDICTED to horror movies barely made it halfway through this. It bored tf out of her. HER, my mother who binge watches all of the Friday the 13th movies, including that insane one that took place in SPACE, MULTIPLE TIMES A YEAR. They fumbled hard. So hard.

[@bellawietrzak3543]

My parents made me watch this movie, and it repulsed me so much. The "demon" saying that all of hell is rejoicing because of the "state of society" today, presumably referring to things like marriage equality and greater acceptance of trans people, made me feel sick; like okay, great to know that demons are dancing for joy because I can marry my partner that I'm dedicated to sharing my life with. I barely saw any non-Christians online discussing it, which made me feel extremely isolated in how gross this movie made me feel. Thank you for speaking on this.

[@minaashido518]

Those demons are my kinda guys They love gay acceptance hell yeah

[@TheGreyShaman]

its good that you got that feeling though, thats the response it is supposed to stimulate. its all just signals being sent to your brain after all, all these thoughts and emotions we experience come from outside of us after all, you perceived with your eyes, the eyes are the window to the soul, and once you were exposed to these things you experienced thoughts counter to the ones you normally experience. welcome to the human experience. As for only seeing christians talk about it, that is no surprise, this movie and all the others are targeting them. I am just surprised you aren't talking about how hated these movies are and how the christians will attack you if you even try to comment on what the real message is calling you blasphemous in the process. Like for me the whole movie was about being a soul in between mind and body and giving your vessel to those who implant thoughts via consciousness. Then I go on to tell them my interpretation and they get all butthurt and say that we are our thoughts so that they can go on living in blissful ignorance. they claim to hate the sin and not the sinner yet they dont want to go after their own sin. They could nip it in the bud right here, right now if they wanted to but they cling to that which they know. They do not want to deny the sinful thoughts they experience, and I guess its all fine at the end of the day, I wont pursue fruitless endeavors when this message reaches those its supposed to regardless. and if it only reaches those it is meant to reach, that means all the others dont matter and should be allowed to have what they want because it is their destiny and only they can mold their own fates.

[@minaashido518]

Now that’s my kinda demon, gay acceptance? Hell yeah!

[@bbattle26]

Thank you. For saving me hours watching this movie. You are not bad as a film critic.

[@MargaretBurmingham-qm5dx]

I try to give Christians the benefit of the doubt and assume they were talking about stuff like rising income inequality, homelessness, war and poverty or something. But knowing the people who made this movie I guess I probably shouldn´t

[@CayeDaws]

"This will show them atheists" *writes fictional story*

[@Colddirector]

“Nice argument, however I made this movie depicting myself as the chad and you *being possessed by demons* “

[@Itoldajokeonce]

This movie was so important to God that that he protected no less than 8 people from being harmed in car accidents, and yet, God can’t be confirmed to have cured a single kid in a St Jude’s hospital. He truly does work in mysterious ways!

[@Shenaldrac]

God saved those 8 people in car accidents but didn't save those 9 people who got covid. Very mysterious!

[@Noooough]

Everyone knows god hates kids

[@wesleypitts3787]

A nearly hour long scene is scarier than any demon

[@Cookie_85]

Depends how you film it. Movies that only play in one room and is one long scene can be intruiging.

[@sarahwithanh4272]

@@Cookie_85 a movie i recently watched with longer scenes (granted not 30 minutes, but still decently long) was Be My Cat: A Film For Anne, and it was done really well! would recommend 100%, good example of well done found footage horror

[@JohanKylander]

​@@Cookie_85My dinner with Andre is a movie length conversation at dinner. Saw it three times, fantastic contrast in characters.

[@erichfiedler1481]

Exactly, look at one of my favorite classics, 12 Angry Men

[@Werrf1]

I dunno...that could be really powerful, if you had good writing and performances to carry it. For example, the Babylon 5 episode Intersections in Real Time. For most of its run time the episodes consists of two characters, sitting in a room, having a conversation, and it's some of the most compelling television you'll ever see. This absolutely could have been a fantastic film, if the writer had been competent.

[@Chrismas815]

Any time my work flops I'll just blame demons

[@Colddirector]

“Sorry im late boss, demons stopped me from getting here, they also said they didn’t want you giving me a promotion”

[@AlienAceCat]

They sounded so thrilled and excited while describing the "demonic attacks" on the production. Hearing them describe all those terrible things happening with such barely veiled delight in their voices was stomach turning and incredibly telling. They didn't see anyone else's suffering or difficulties, all they saw was their team "winning". What a sick worldview.

[@b.collins2656]

these people are pathetic freaks. they get off on being martyrs no matter the cost because it vindicates them and makes their lives more exciting.

[@kentmyrtle9315]

My apologist buddy insisted he had a great horror movie for us to watch. He insisted it wasn't a movie with an agenda or even with theological themes. I broke down laughing when the movie 'cameos' Glenn Beck and my friend was telling me about this really even handed and impartial guy at the end.

[@Doomxeen]

The craziest thing about that cameo is that it's this crazy fictional movie but these are Glen Beck's actual beliefs. Conservatives really just have zero media literacy or an ounce of self awareness.

[@OceanusHelios]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but does your apologist buddy choose a red crayon because that is his favorite flavor of crayon he eats?

[@marzipanmouse]

He would have done better to sell it as a comedy. Or an opportunity to drink heavily.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

You don't need to put "cameo" in quotes like that. This guy sounds like someone I'd stop talking to. Being religious is one thing, being an apologist is another, but so clearly not existing in the same reality is a deal breaker.

[@mattmower6370]

With friends like those, who needs enemies?!

[@unamejames]

Christianity really hurts people's understanding of what evil actually looks like. They think evil is an outsider that looks weird and talks weird, when in fact evil is somebody mostly like you that has convinced themselves the harm they're causing is justified.

[@BlackCover95]

"Mr. Worf, villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged." - Picard, _Star Trek: The Next Generation_ ("The Drumhead")

[@DanWinterborn]

OP: bullshit.

[@markcalhoun8219]

Imagine if they wrote it where the demon was actually the owner of the for profit prison and he whispers something chilling to the therapist during the execution.

[@profanitybasedfun]

Like holy wars, just to name a few examples.

[@Colddirector]

This might be unfair but I think the most telling comparison is between this and Fallout New Vegas. NV’s writers clearly think Caesars legion and their ideology is bad, but could still present a compelling case for it regardless. The writers of nefarious seemingly refuse to even entertain the demon’s point of view long enough to make his arguments cogent, let alone compelling.

[@sayawu8733]

3:53 to whomever edited the "nee-eh" over the dude falling past the windows. Thank you, so very much for almost making me choke on my powdered donut on break from work at 3am. Beautiful.

[@DoctorWhoBlue]

Wasted premise honestly. Imagine if 1. The doctor was actually manipulated into committing murder, and 2. If there was uncertainty around whether the demonic possession was real or not.

[@presentfuture7563]

Why bother creating genuine ambiguity and a disturbing psychological thriller when you can make plodding Christian didacticism sure to please your choir?

[@Nocturnalux]

Being manipulated into suicide would have been all the more powerful given Catholics view it as a mortal sin.

[@SeptimusCreed]

Like a combination of Silence of the Lambs and Se7en.

[@Purpleturtlehurtler]

​@@SeptimusCreed I would actually watch that.

[@aggressivelyaverage4428]

Then that would be a good film, and therefore not this. I don't think the director has enough talent to pull it off.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

"Rain doesn't tear off roofs!" No, but the wind that comes with it does. "9/15 of us got sick" During a pandemic? Oh, my! And religious people were refusing to social distance, wear masks, & vaccinate, so...

[@umrayquazashinyapareceu1672]

That first sentence could actually work, like: "The rain by itself doesn't break roofs, if it's just the water, it will just leave things soaked everywhere, however, if you add wind, even the mightiest of trees can fall easily"

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@umrayquazashinyapareceu1672 What? That 1st sentence is what he said verbatim. Everything outside the quotes after it is: NOT a part of the 1st sentence, is a correction, are my words & not his. You appear to be agreeing with me while trying to defend the guy's lack of intelligence...

[@umrayquazashinyapareceu1672]

@@Richard_Nickerson tbh, idk why i wrote it. lol.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@umrayquazashinyapareceu1672 No idea why you wrote it & no idea why 5 people thought it was a good reply. Because it wasn't.

[@umrayquazashinyapareceu1672]

@@Richard_Nickerson i know. Just made it look like an ancient tree spoke it.

[@junkandcrapamen]

"I am the most rational being you will ever meet." - every libertarian ever

[@gatorboymike]

Something tells me that if an atheist and a demon got into a fight, the evangelicals would all support the demon.

[@Colddirector]

The demon would just have to say something about hating gay/trans people and evangelicals would flood his side.

[@SinHurr]

I agree, if for no other reason than the demon, at least, believes that god exists. And the absolute lack of critical thought involved.

[@redbepis4600]

something tells me if a certain otherworldly beast decided to kill hundreds of millions of humans and then torture them forever, they would side with the beast

[@gatorboymike]

@@redbepis4600 Well, they all have that being's election flags and bumper stickers all over their pickup trucks, so...

[@JimBobJoeB0b]

@@gatorboymikeyou give Trump too much credit; he’s no god, just a…false idol *cue The Who “YEAAAAAAAAAH”*

[@AsassinoSilenzioso]

The worst demon ever written. It's baffling idiotic how it operates

[@Maladjester]

What's funny to me is demons think small. Whispering doubts to a priest and the pleasures of adultery to a married person are worth their time; whispering "do it" into the ear of a strategic nuke submarine commander or a lab scientist who could release aerosolized ebola isn't.

[@turnerturner3281]

Why's he so blinky?

[@erichfiedler1481]

Tell that to the people who watched the film and fell for it hook, line, and sinker

[@WWZenaDo]

Aren't they all illogical as hell?

[@ElizabethMcCormick-s2n]

Yeah, Nefarious doesn't scare me one bit!

[@indnwkybrd]

"Storytelling is the one place left where there is still an opportunity for mass persuasion" -> I guess that perspective makes sense when the whole "finding even a single shred or morsel of objective evidence" opportunity failed to pan out.

[@harrywompa]

So this demon is supposed to be a master manipulator... but he just straightforwardly says the truth with almost no prompting? Just weird.

[@SinHurr]

"The devil never lies" is a really cool trope to play with. Or would be, if these people weren't absolute hacks.

[@vaiyt]

That's consistent with the Bible

[@mytmouse57]

Maybe he’s just a master baiter.

[@notmyopinion4981]

Does God and angels lie then?

[@shrekiscool4743]

​@@notmyopinion4981 I mean God lies to Abraham in the story of the Binding of Isaac

[@savannahsingleton3359]

My father manipulated me into going to see it with him at the theater under the pretense of "this psychological thriller is so good I'm going to see it twice! The acting is better than the acting in Split!" I should've known better than to believe he was actually inviting me to see a scary movie with him. It was the most painful $30 I've ever spent in my life. I couldn't even enjoy it like Sharknado. It wasn't satirically bad, it was just bad and the most mind numbing, unscary, and unintellectual movie I'd ever seen. The plot was dull and unengaging and the dogma was so force fed I couldn't engage with it critically at all.

[@michaelmcdoesntexist1459]

@@savannahsingleton3359 he invited you to the movies... and you still had to pay? Imao.

[@marzipanmouse]

Do what now? After manipulating you into attending, he didn't cover your ticket? This is some BS right here. Dad needs to put his money where his faith is in the future.

[@michaelmcdoesntexist1459]

@@marzipanmouse prolly that's what he do. He put all his money on the church and that's why he can't pay for their children.

[@sarahwithanh4272]

$30 for this shit is wildddd 😭

[@savannahsingleton3359]

@@michaelmcdoesntexist1459 unironically true lmao. No wonder Christians complain so much about taxes and the economy when they willingly give an extra 10% of their income away

[@deadly_bite]

I'm very confused. Do the writers of this movie think that executing a mentally ill person is also murder? That couldn't possibly sit well with a large chunk of their Texan audience.

[@Albinojackrussel]

2:35 i love that he quietly ignores that tolkien was explicitly and intentionally drawing on pagan mythology to make that.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

personally i don't see why hell would be torment, satan hates christians, not sinners.

[@mckinglapiz]

@@HarryNicNicholas I wanna preface that I'm an agnostic atheist, but I also just wanna clear a misconception. The idea that Satan is the warden of hell is more of a modern cultural idea that doesn't have any support no matter how you interpret the bible. From how I was brought up and what I read when I was a christian, Hell was meant to be Satan's prison, as well as the prison of unrepentant sinners after the events of Revelation. So unfortunately, us atheists wouldn't get any refreshments from the devil down there if it existed. :(

[@JeronimoStilton14]

@@mckinglapizprisoners can scrounge up drinks.

[@AFlyingCoconut]

I can't say I've ever heard this opinion, nor do I believe it to be widely, or even narrowly accepted. Tolkien was a Catholic for all of his life and a true believer at that, he even publicly expressed that the books were a, "fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision" The Lower Mythology in LOTR is pagan, but all of the Higher Mythology is Catholic.

[@sterlinggibson6143]

Tolkien's whole thing was about creating a new mythos for the west that was explicitly NOT based in Christianity. Commonalities in the Song of the Ainur and stuff is more a consequence of classic storytelling motifs found in cultures the world over. To claim these things as uniquely Christian is arrogance of the highest order.

[@nooneofconsequence1251]

How is the protagonist still a "non believer" at the end of the film? Easy. These people don't think that atheists are real. They think that everyone, deep down, really believes in their god, and that anyone claiming to be an atheist or non believer is really just a theist who is angry at God or who wants to live in sin and isn't strong enough to lead a good moral upright and godly life... but... they might come around at some point and do better. It has nothing to do with belief.

[@jacobnoelle8428]

These Christians Theist ethier can't or to scared to imagine that people could not be a Theist.

[@sable1334]

We need a term for people who don't believe in people who don't believe in their god.

[@comet1269]

​@@sable1334a-atheist? Lol

[@michaelmcdoesntexist1459]

@@jacobnoelle8428 not only a theist but a theist of their very specific god in their very specific interpretation. Cause all the others are wrong, trust me bro.

[@ChristianL3399]

I get the perspective of the Christian tho... Remove your idea of "big man in the sky that you have to worship" or "somebody's god that they made up"... God is all of us and everything and talking about how to conceptualize the fact that we are living and there is some force doing the living... There is only oneness... The further you are from that the more the ego comes into play... So if your ego rejects Christianity (fair point and honestly needed) but also rejects God the Creator, the Sustainer, and the Breath of your lungs, then it is only a matter of time before God (who is in you always and in each one of your cells and in the people around you) starts giving you signs about who He truly Is... He will meet you in the place that You are God (in your secret prayer closet also called your imagination or your thoughts) and He will meet you in the place that you are not God (this physical plane of existence and the world we live in both in your personal life and the world events you learn about as a whole)... And either you run from Him or you accept Him and realize that living life through His lens is actually incredible... Anyone who doesn't believe me, go into your prayer closet and free your inhibitions about who God is with a good old DMT trip... Or if you really want the fear of God, go into your prayer closet on mushrooms... Then try it sober afterwards and realize that each time, you are contacting your realm of existence inside your mind... You can learn that You are everyone and everyone is You, but suddenly the You that you are talking about is not the same being that the ego was referring to while in this physical plane... We are each other... Everything is oneness... How that plays out is the best gift and blessing to be able to witness at least a sliver of...

[@GothWithAGoldenRetriever]

I am so unbelievably stoked that you released this video and are hosting this corse now. I am actually beginning work on my dissertation about this very topic (the intersections of horror cinema and Christianity with a specific focus on disability). I will absolutely be at the course and thank you for keeping the tickets pretty affordable to broke students!

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

Woah that’s so cool! That dissertation sounds super interesting. Looking forward to seeing you there!

[@justinnutter9008]

To give the slightest benefit of the doubt, "you commit 3 murders before you leave" actually meaning "I will get you to doubt your own judgement and systematically make you doubt your own moral judgement until you come to believe that these actions you once considered victimless are actually murder" is clever and something a demon might actually do In a more competant horror movie, this would be used to tackle the subjectivity of morality and the extent to which some can justify heinous behavior to suit their own ends. But instead it is used to demonize abortion and death with dignity, and numerous other tired religious talking points

[@turnerturner3281]

I thought christians, including catholics, were supportive of the death penalty though?

[@gadzooks2763]

Omg, your anti-atheist storytelling sounding more compelling than the actual anti-atheist movie lol

[@blesskurunai9213]

When a very outspoken atheist can make up a better story that preaches Christian ideologies than an explicitly Christian studio and directors.

[@nio804]

Of course it does. To subvert something, you must first understand it, but for a lot of Christians, their faith *depends* on not understanding objections to their beliefs.

[@catdownthestreet]

​@@blesskurunai9213 Ironic.

[@catdownthestreet]

​@@nio804 That's probably why the media tries to teach people to understand both sides of an issue. If you see the bigger picture, you'll have a much easier time creating an actual argument for the side you agree with. It also helps with figuring out your own opinions. More information means having a greater basis for any positions you might take, basically.

[@nio804]

@@catdownthestreet I mean, I wouldn't credit "the media" with that; it's really just what a decent education does. I'm also a bit allergic to the phrase "both sides" because that's so often used by self-described centrists who aren't taking a stance on an issue where there is no real "middle" to compromise with; or alternatively, it just makes no sense when the issue is more complicated than just one option vs. another.

[@TheCouzOnline]

Growing up my christian parents didn't let us watch horror films, but they let me read "horror-christian" books by frank paretti and Ted dekker. Now I still like some of those books, but it's ironic that as long as you tack "christian" onto it, suddenly everything is ok!

[@JunoPunk]

Halloween and trick or treating is wrong UNLESS you do it in a parking lot

[@ctwb-06]

I'm a Christian and I appreciate these videos and this channel in general because they help me approach my religion and its relationship with other part of life critically.

[@schrodingerskatze4308]

I'm Catholic, and I liked this video as well. I think the entire approach of writing a story to convince people to be Christian just doesn't work. There's nor real way to do that at all. All you can do is be a good role model and maybe put some characters somewhere in a normal story that represent Christianity well. Either people then find to Christianity themselves or they don't, which is fine, too. But rubbing your religion into their face like this doesn't work at best, and might even paint a really bad picture of Christianity.

[@prodigal_southerner]

I respect your willingness to listen to conflicting opinions

[@LadyhawksLairDotCom]

@@prodigal_southerner Me, 2.

[@pansepot1490]

I am not a Christian but I am sure I could definitely write a movie with a pro Christian message better than that. Imo the problem is that those guys are not interested in what Jesus taught and preached.

[@moonshadow1795]

​@@schrodingerskatze4308 I, as an athiest, actually do think a "Christian" movie could be done... at least ok. But it has to be SYMPATHETIC to the opposing views! And they ALWAYS fail at that

[@ann18o96]

They really gave a murdering spirit the line "I am the most rational person you'll ever meet" I feel like these people have more sympathy towards their own worst enemies, than to atheists which they're supposed to turn but not just hate and defeat. I feel like they swapped the roles...

[@jacobnoelle8428]

An atheist is more of a existential threat to their world view then demons (pure evil) are.

[@moonshadow1795]

It's because the demon plays into what they think. "Guy who hates god" is more rational to them then "guy who doesn't think God exists."

[@kevincrady2831]

TBF, there's no reason to expect a demon to be _honest_ when claiming to be rational.

[@ann18o96]

@@kevincrady2831 No I mean that they gave the demon that line, and no other character speaking against that. I feel like that's a decision they made for the film... And to us the demon doesn't seem to act rational, or in a way that would be against god and causing humans harm. Like if that was the goal, then it did a real bad job and didn't even try to manipulate people. So what I'm saying is I feel like that demon seems to be more honest than to be rational. Orrr, the demon is actually not as evil as they try to make it look.

[@Laezar1]

I mean it makes sense, they advocate for blind faith so for them rationality is the realm of demons. It's just not very convincing if you don't already have blind faith.

[@goatsiahthelegend]

Like almost 30 years ago we got the “Prince of Egypt” and now we just have this cringefest.

[@thelastremnantofevil]

that movie fuckin slapped

[@kennypowers1945]

These are two different things. That was a movie based on the Bible, this is a movie about a Christian facing a possessed guy apparently.

[@DanDan-eh7ul]

Also, that Prince of Egypt was made by DreamWorks, an actual movie studio, not the endless circlejerk clubs that are "Christian movie studios". No surprise that it's a good bible movie while the rest suck.

[@aronjanosov9046]

we also got Hacksaw Ridge and Silence "now", so it's not so bad "era"

[@maniac086]

I was about 10 years late to that movie, sort of "moving on" from religious convictions at the time, but even now, it's certainly one of my favorite movies-the direction, production, and presentation are top notch. If I'm narrowing it down to animated movies, it's probably Top 10, amidst a lot of heavy competition.

[@MartiaNemoris]

"I'm a demon." "That's something I've never heard before. You mean this literally, I take it?"

[@Petequinn741]

Why cant they just make a good horror with biblical accurate angels and demons.. it would be pretty cool

[@neoqwerty]

NGL if some humanoid showed up with fucking skin made of bronze and wings of fire and light that are so large that they BLOT OUT THE HORIZON and eyes like burning stars I'd probably shit my pants, that's like Iron Man but uncannier. (like I know people like tumblr biblically accurate eyes on wings but odds are "eyes on wings" is just peacock-stype eyespotted feathers like in Hera's greek myth and Hellenized christianity stuff; the actual descriptions in the bible for the garden-variety angels' physical manifestations are cool but also awesome in the archaic "terrifying" definition.) Then with demons you get some weirdass furry convention style fursona stuff with added body horror, and in medieval depictions they're basically lizardy little child-sized gremlins. It's hilarious how unevenly matched the depictions are in Christian faiths, you have to go to Islamic demons to find the cool ones (the Efreets that are under Iblis' command are pretty cool for being canonically invisible to the human eye and living in a parallel world that overlaps ours). /this is my ass excitedly waving all the books I researched because of Devilman fanfics, I can 100% say that cool demons' appearances were invented in the 17th and 18th centuries by grimoire grifters and fake-occultists.

[@Samson16436]

Makes me think of Constantine a little

[@silvershocknicktail6638]

"You'll have committed three murders" is just a spin on "you will have denied me three times", isn't it? These people are pathetic.

[@gangrene11]

Rule of three for comedy.

[@nicloren2220]

how is that pathetic ? that's rude

[@maniac086]

Honestly, it's a… "neat"(?) premise for a narratively interesting parallel. But its execution is… well, this movie.

[@silvershocknicktail6638]

@@nicloren2220 They made an entire movie to condescend to us about how we're easily duped idiots who'll burn in hell, and then spent all their time outside of the movie projecting their narcissistic persecution complex onto car crashes and the apparently incredibly unique notion of problems on a movie set, in order to try and blame us by proxy for their failures. But I'm rude.

[@anaidentafaible]

@@silvershocknicktail6638 I mean, the intent of the film is horrendously condescending if directed towards the outgroup, and uninterestingly self-congratulatory if towards the in-group, but there’s nothing wrong with setting up the suspense of what is supposed to be a religious thriller with a twisted Bible reference.

[@Astrolionking]

“Satan has convinced the world he doesn’t exist” Is so… convenient, isn’t it? Like… that just sounds like someone made that shit up the second they heard someone say they’re Athiest. But what else do I expect from Evangelists?

[@SnakeMan448]

It's the same mindset as claiming that there's a conspiracy to hide whatever: a desperate refusal to ever admit that one's claims or beliefs are unsupported. Of course, at the point where someone uses these is when they shouldn't be taken seriously anymore.

[@umrayquazashinyapareceu1672]

It's in the bible... but ngl, this sounds reallt convenient (And definitelly isn't comnected to diavolo in any form)

[@vetinaris1297]

Satan has convince everyone that God wrote the bible and not him.

[@umrayquazashinyapareceu1672]

@@vetinaris1297 by that logic, the also convinced god he doesn't exist- Hold up a minute....

[@vetinaris1297]

@umrayquazashinyapareceu1672 I don't see that logic at all. One king usurping another king doesnt make the king not exist. It just means they aren't king anymore and everybody is taught they were evil.

[@wickedcabinboy]

Nefarious says to James, before we leave here "[Y]ou will have committed three murders." This implies they haven't yet been committed. Yet, Nefarious argues that James committed his first murder years ago. That doesn't even make sense. This video is an excellent critical analysis of the movie. I always enjoy your conversations and critiques. I especially enjoy your ability to criticize christianity without anger and contempt. I find it very difficult to keep those emotions under control when facing evangelizing religious believers of all stripes.

[@reyrapids63]

If demons were trying to stop the movie from being made, they didn't do a good job. No plague of loctus, no rivers of blood, no smiting, no unholy fire. Just like, a storm that did some damage and killed nobody, or some creaking support beams.

[@NightmareRex6]

maby a girl farted and they were surprised girls make farts? maby it was demon "flacucus"

[@helenr4300]

Don't forget the bunch of people working together all day got covid together? And I suspect that the 8 car crashes were not all write offs; stories grow from telling, especially if feed into an existing narrative. As for 2 serious illnesses - well one guy already had the cyst that led to an infection; and priests are not immune from illnesses, they can even die!!

[@matthewklope7598]

God's not Dead made me wish I was

[@ElizabethMcCormick-s2n]

Yeah, because Kevin Sorbo is terrible at pretending to be an atheist!

[@AC-hj9tv]

😂

[@FriskDrinksBrisk]

The movie or the title as a sentence? Because I unfortunately believe the latter and I'm tired of being told he hates me. He doesn't. I'm his favorite person. He just acts like he hates me.

[@steviewolfeofficial]

Yeah the clip i saw of this movie where the "demon" is making all kinds of anti abortion talking points during an interrogation was hilarious. Its like why would a thing from a dimension of pain, eternal death, and pure suffering care about abortion or preserving life in any context lol.

[@Samson16436]

You would think he'd encourage it

[@Nocturnalux]

I knew of this through the Godawful Movies folk. I saw a Christian propaganda horror movie, without knowing it, and it made me so angry. “Hangman’s Curse”, in which goth kids who unalive themselves over bullying…are blamed. If only they dressed “normal” and made an effort at “fitting in”! It made me livid.

[@AegixDrakan]

I'm sorry that movie blames the *victims* of bullying?! ...I am seeing red right now. >:(

[@Nocturnalux]

@@AegixDrakan Oh yes. Yes, it does. I think it does it more than once but at the end, it goes all out by having the surviving kids, now "wholesome" and no longer in goth attire, saying how THEY were partially to blame for what had happened to them and that they had now seen the light. Honestly, the movie seemed made to antagonize the supposed target audience, goth kids, by going out of its way to paint them in a terrible light. To add insult to injury, one of these kids even died prior to the story so the others- who were his friends- seem to also be spitting on his memory, at this point. Few times did a movie make me angry like this. It made me actually sick to my stomach and I wish I had never seen it. Other than that, expect cheesy effect, terrible spiders, in particular, and a bad movie.

[@gregoryvn3]

WTF???

[@quinnzykir]

@@Nocturnalux the Eli Bosnick story

[@DAsrada]

​@Nocturnalux So basically this movie thinks Stepfordizing teenagers is...good and right?

[@CaptIronfoundersson]

This man is going to stand there, in a poly-cotton blend shirt, with no beard or temple locks, probably having had bacon with his breakfast, and tell us we need that old time religion? Get your stones, everyone.

[@dyamonde9555]

bet he eats shellfish as well!

[@CaptIronfoundersson]

@@dyamonde9555 Bacon wrapped scallops are delicious. Proof right there that God doesn't exist. No loving god would deny us such pleasures.

[@ultimateidiot2344]

honestly, the idea of a story (i imagine a tv show or a comic would fit better) about a smug stone faced atheist and a demon that is desperate for a deal interacting would be fun as hell, if only it wasnt a mediocre christian propaganda movie

[@InjuredAngelHeero]

I can imagine a scene of the atheist and demon driving through a city near a construction sight when the atheist says 'prove it' and a crane drops an I beam nearly hitting the car and the demon smiles like a cheshire cat. Later the atheist is reading a newspaper that states the construction company that owns the crane was found to be negligent of proper equipment upkeep and the acident was chalked up to failure from lack of upkeep and the demon throws a fit.

[@ultimateidiot2344]

@@InjuredAngelHeero YEAHH!! damn I'm almost making a comic like that

[@microwaveeyes]

No scares, no suspense, no shocks, gross outs, or thrills of any kind, no gore, monsters, no atmosphere, no fear, no terror, no nightmare fuel. I’m confused as to how this qualifies as a “horror” film.

[@neoqwerty]

Spooky atheist ooooooo Like, damn, if people want religious horror, there's Midnight Mass and if you want angels and retribution, there's the Legion film with Paul Bethany. (features zombies from angel possession as the angelic host and a really fucking done with everything god)

[@PenguinFairy13]

The scariest thing to christans are normal people

[@IE-39]

People questioning their religion is true horror to a lot of people

[@Amigo21189]

Well, there is the horrifying thought that someone in real life actually sat down and wrote this as a book, then a screenplay, and then hired a bunch of actors and a film crew to put this thing on celluloid (or its digital equivalent), and even managed to publish and broadcast it, before sitting a _nine-year-old_ down to skim it and point out the glaring logical errors with the plot and presentation.

[@michellegodwin6567]

I'm confused how it qualifies as a film, it's closer to a highly stylized argument you have by yourself in the shower

[@emilychen3839]

“Rain doesn’t rip off roofs!” Hurricanes: “Am I a joke to you?”

[@heatherkuhn6559]

But it isn't the rain that rips off the roofs. It's the high winds that accompany the rain.

[@umrayquazashinyapareceu1672]

Rain is just water. But winds can make even the biggest trees fall .

[@laurabeane8862]

Yea, but when it's frozen it can collapse one. Is there a point here?

[@laurabeane8862]

"Nefarious" does the Bait and Switch DW has done with their movies. You can have Faith and Be somewhat bright. They don't have to be separated.

[@scottybabb6223]

Well technically that's the wind that is doing that not the rain.

[@lazykbys]

Fun fact: The Japanese play Yotsuya Kaidan (四谷怪談) has the legend of being cursed, which is why the cast and crew usually pay their respects at Oiwa's grave and have Shintoist rituals to keep bad things from happening. Thing is, Yotsuya Kaidan uses a LOT of moving parts, which means that accidents are bound to happen, especially if people are distracted by the curse.

[@DeconstructingLaura42]

I mean, yeah that’s how MRSA works. My husband got MRSA in 2006. He was fine on Thursday and on Monday he was almost dead. It was terrifying.

[@threatofnemesis]

Watched this because the one dude is from Boondock Saints, and then they said some generic ass line like "devote atheist" and I was like wait what and googled it and realized it was a Christian movie...

[@GodsDisciple7]

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[@thenexus8384]

With heavy quotes on "Christian"

[@jrojala]

@@thenexus8384it’s openly Christian

[@thenexus8384]

@@jrojala I don't consider conservatives as actual Christians, this is coming from a non-religious person

[@Poliostasis]

​@@thenexus8384 no true Scotsman fallacy

[@loredragonofftheclock]

I love how triggered the demon was by atheism. His seething is supposed to be intimidating but it is just so funny

[@SkeletalCheshire]

I grew up in a pro-life catholic church that opposed the death penalty, and it always really confused me that not all pro-lifers believed that. Now, the death penalty is the only one of the three big "categories" I still oppose. No one ever accused religious fanatics of being logical, I suppose....

[@jacobnoelle8428]

It can make sense but only if you look at their actions, not what they preach.

[@yeshuasaves217]

Wait you oppose the death penalty but want to kill children?

[@alexreid1173]

@@yeshuasaves217 It’s not a rare view. The death penalty involves the government deciding who gets to live or die. Wanting government restrictions/bans on abortion also gives the government power over people’s bodies. People who aren’t a fan of government control over people will often be anti-death penalty and anti-abortion bans.

[@turnerturner3281]

Yeah I was a bit confused by that one. I was under the assumption that christians in general were supportive of the death penalty?

[@SkeletalCheshire]

@@turnerturner3281 to my understanding, conservatives generally support the death penalty, and since there's a lot of overlap between christians and conservatives, usually the view is the same. If any of them actually followed the new testament, more would be liberal, but christian conservatives are more about control than kindness.

[@rustkitty]

A conservative christian dominionist organization producing a religious movie that advertises itself as straight forward entertainment? This seems... Nefarious.

[@jace_d]

Thanks for the chuckle, that was a good one

[@AntiCitizenX]

I love the irony of atheists trying to help the Christians to tell better anti-atheism stories.

[@nooneofconsequence1251]

It's like these types of Christians are from another planet or something the way that they write dialogue. People are always announcing that they are an atheist or that they are a Christian or that they do or do not believe in gods in a way that normal people simply do not... it's so creepy and immediately pulls you out of the story and alerts the audience to the fact that the movie was written by fundamentalist evangelicals who see everything through this peculiar lens. I guess it's a combination of bad writing (they clearly missed the first day of Creative Writing 101: "Show Don't Tell") and having such a profoundly warped and insular worldview that they think this is normal.

[@LittleBitofHopeToo2518]

Drew watched this so I don't have to. Thank you for that.

[@n0etic_f0x]

Yeah, this is one I am glad to miss. One I hate having my intelligence insulted but the fact it does not think someone with DID would know they had it and what it is would make me laugh. it's one of those Your Movie Sucks "It was really funny" moments that is very clearly not intended as a joke... but if you just aren't dumb it's hilarious.

[@rudra62]

Drew's take and the explanations and commentary after that maddening "horror" conversation made it funny and somewhat educational.

[@EyeMixMusic]

The writers were so terrified of anyone questioning Christianity they literally made the demon a Christian 😂😂😂

[@imissimeem]

I fell for the trap and started watching this movie. I made it about 20 minutes before I couldn't handle any more of the blatant (and poorly executed) apologetics or the trash tier acting and had to stop it. Only movie I've reviewed on Letterboxd without finishing, simply to warn people that it's a barely hidden God's Not Dead.

[@SpecialofferFrombeyondtheveil]

What's your account? I wanna read the review.

[@PeterLGଈ]

​@@SpecialofferFrombeyondtheveil Letterboxd?

[@jeremygregorio7472]

It pisses me off how people make it sound so easy to get off on an insane plea. It doesn't work like that. In the real world the joker and all the other Arkham inmates would have been executed or maybe sent to Black gate. The only way you get off on Insanity is if you can be shown that you were completely unaware of the consequences of your actions.

[@georgesears934]

Yup. The only one who might (MIGHT!) have a legitimate case for an insanity plea would be Mad Hatter, because (depending on the writer) he legitimately is completely detached from reality and believes he exists in a fictional world and he believes that what he is doing is just "reminding" the characters of the part they are supposed to be playing with reprogramming hats, and does not comprehend why this is wrong or why free will/agency is something that's important to people. And in other versions he's just a PDF File with a PhD and an extremely specific fetish. It entirely depends on the version, but still he's the only one that MIGHT have a case for insanity defense IRL in some specific versions.

[@hugofontes5708]

At least in some versions they set it as an excuse supported by corruption

[@jeremygregorio7472]

@@hugofontes5708 that doesn't make sense though. Why would corruption cause anyone to care whether a murderer is punished or not? Hell there's a guy on death row in Texas about to be executed for shaking his baby to death and it turns out he didn't and the baby died of pneumonia but he's autistic and doesn't show a lot of emotion so the jury convicted him and although this 34 doctors saying The baby died of pneumonia Texas still wants their blood

[@BlackCover95]

@@georgesears934 I’ll suggest two more villains who may qualify for legitimate insanity: • Ventriloquist: Thinks his dummy is actually talking to him. • King Tut: Believes himself to be an Egyptian pharaoh reincarnated.

[@OscarSommerbo]

"Insanity defense" makes for a good plot device in fiction, but it must be simplified to the point of absurdity, no fiction consumer would sit through multiple hours of psych eval to determine competency. It provides for an "interesting" and convenient escape hatch if the author paints themselves into a corner. And by now it has turned into a trope detached from reality.

[@davidspring4003]

"It's time for a trip behind the woodshed!" Literally 5 minuted ago: hurting a child, even an unborn one, is the same as murder!

[@S.D.323]

complete hypocrisy its maddening

[@Boahemaa]

An atheist straw man was too strong so they made one out of air.

[@42k78]

The "atheists" in this movie all talk like christians pretending to be atheists. And they use these buzz words too often; it does a lot to establish different sides. Why couldn't he say, "I'm more of a naturalist myself". Or something without any buzz word to totally distant yourself, "...you can believe what you want." And I think this helps to avoid picking sides and makes you feel like more of an outlier looking into each side. You can tell all the dialogue is from one mind, as if everyone has hive consciousness. Is this movie the response to one long debate the writer had with someone at a grocery store?

[@frostbit17]

Am I crazy or is having the demon sound like a conservative Christian make it sound like the movie thinks Christians are the real demons

[@VHav-rw2fj]

I was thinking that too. Why would they make the main villian, a demon who is trying at every turn to convince James he's a crazy, bloodthirsty killer, the person who is pushing their religion? It's not a very good marketing tactic lol. Imagine you showed someone who's never heard Christianity and has no idea what it is, this movie. They are not going to see Christians in a good light.

[@LibraBlue1962]

"Prove you're a demon!" Nefarious: "I invented fruit roll-ups." Psychiatrist lunges to choke Nefarious: "YOU BASTARD!!!!" - yeah, Fallen, even Little Nicky, was a better film.

[@zerotwo7319]

"Rasins on cookies"

[@alexicon2006]

​@@zerotwo7319That's not even nefarious thats straight up diabolically evil

[@Doombot2point0]

@@zerotwo7319 call me a possessed demon then because I love Oatmeal raisin cookies XD

[@zerotwo7319]

@@Doombot2point0 this was a web comic almost 10 years ago, "the-purest-of-evil". by jake clark. XD

[@alphagiga4878]

By the way what's wrong with a mental health professional asking to prove they are x? It's how people come to a realization, if they can't then the patient and doctor could have an equal framework helping the patient see the error, or the patient could prove themself and if not at least help the doctor see where the patient is coming from

[@ClaraDarko]

It's sad to see where Sean Patrick Flanery (Edward / the demon) has ended. When he played the Young Indiana Jones in the 90s series, he was very charismatic. I had high hopes for him 😒

[@salyx]

I was thinking the same thing. Dude bombed.

[@uarthchylde]

I used to enjoy Hercules and his sidekick.... Sigh....

[@elineitz2428]

I say just blame it on the direction

[@TynamM]

I blame the movie; I actually think he's doing ok on the delivery, he's just limited by the terrible material he's been given.

[@RaihotDoW2]

Blame the writing. He did pretty good with the material he was given.

[@Shadow1shifter]

I thought the movie God's NOT Dead was garbage. If they didn't know about the reason why people leave, ask the Atheist and other non-believer community. As an Atheist myself, this was an awful movie, and the producers treated their people like crap.

[@FailSpace2]

GM SKEPTIC!!!! Thanks for all that you do. you helped me deconvert back in november.

[@Dagestanidude]

You're thanking him for convincing you that your whole life is meaningless?

[@emarfentemel]

​@@Dagestanidudecommon this is like level 0 argument

[@guacamole-cult]

@@Dagestanidude life is full of beautiful vibrant meaning outside of specific belief systems🫶

[@Dagestanidude]

@@emarfentemel its not a argument, its a fact. Life without a God is meaningless

[@Dagestanidude]

@@guacamole-cult yeah and I'll just say that you're evolutionary adapted to find that kind of meaning in life so its meaningless in the end

[@kanojo1969]

Didn't make it all the way through, forgive me if this was pointed out in the video. But I can just imagine these writers saying 'We can't just preach at the audience directly, it's too obvious and nobody falls for it any more. We need more subtlety, surprises, put the audience in a position where they feel like they've figured it out themselves. So instead of a preacher lecturing a dumb athiest, we are going to make a DEMON do it instead! I can't believe how smart we are!' Basically they have no form of argument that's not preaching the same shit over and over. So the only possible change they can make is to have the preaching come from the 'wrong' source. It's so creatively bankrupt... but they do not know of any other way to talk to unbelievers. In the end, this movie isn't supposed to persuade anyone, it's made so christians can pay their money and feel extremely smug about being on the right side of this ludicrous story. It's made so parents of gay or trans or atheist children can tell those children that 'this film will change your mind, you just have to watch it!'. It's all embarassingly superficial.

[@dankim7831]

Even as a kid stuck in a Christian bubble, I found 0 interest in this movie. Even our theology teacher said he hated it...

[@gilberthamilton9312]

So a straight read of "the demon is a master manipulator" thing is that the demon actually wanted the guy to adopt all the right wing reactionary evangelical beliefs and then edit his manuscript into a fear mongering "we are in a supernatural war with actual evil demons and they are your neighbors" screed. That's actually kinda funny.

[@Popepaladin]

An evil demon manipulated an atheist into a conservative fundamentalist christian. Some would call that a pretty liberal message.

[@UltraVioletKnight]

Well nothing turns people away from Christianity faster than Evangelicals, so maybe he's onto something

[@jazzminforrestall406]

Actually the reason why the gun didn't go off is because nefarious hit the safety. While everybody was distracted. He was just threatening james. That was actually the only moment in this movie I liked lol

[@ourmobilehomemakeover662]

Fun fact, people have also been saying that a certain Shakespeare play has been cursed for literally hundreds of years. In fact, it’s part of theatre superstition that one never says “MacBeth” inside a theatre unless you’re doing the play.

[@dalekcaan9434]

I cannot get over the fact that psychologist guy had his girlfriend get an abortion while he went to work. Insane. That poor woman needs support right now and he went to work. Absolutely wild.

[@OscarSommerbo]

It quite clearly reveals how many Christian men think about abortion. Not as a traumatic event, with or without surgery, but as an annoying chore that you just have to fit in on your average Thursday to enable a sin filled weekend.

[@jonlow_snow3039]

@@OscarSommerbo I wouldn't be surprised if they thought of it like it was a drive thru. In fact... Cashier: "Hi, welcome to Planned Parenthood, what can we do for you today?" Driver: "Hi, can I get two vasectomies for my puppy boy male wives, an abortion for me, and a... an uh... hmmmm." Cashier: "Sir, ma'am. and/or xir, you are holding up the line, please speed it up." Driver: "Okay, okay. Can I get my uterus removed? I don't need it, but someone else might." Cashier: "Alright, if that is all, pull up to the window to fill out paperwork and to receive payment, then pull into the next window to get the quality healthcare you are paid for." Conservative: "is this the world you want to live in?"

[@willjapheth23789]

​@OscarSommerbo why would it be traumatic apart from intimate location of the surgery? Alot of people call fetuses clumps of cells or a parasite, so that might suggest alot of people feel fetuses carry no moral weight or even negative moral weight like a cockroach in the house. Is it just because it's a surgery?

[@rainpooper7088]

@willjapheth23789 Nice loaded questions, but you do know abortion's not an appendix removal, right? Like, not even close. Oftentimes there isn't even any surgery involved, it's just pills that make you cramp and bleed for hours on end until all uterine tissue has been passed, as you would during a natural abortion, more commonly known as a miscarriage, which I'm sure you would agree IS traumatic. In fact, anything involving pregnancy has the potential to be inherently traumatic for women due to the physical and hormonal changes involved in pregnancy, no matter whether she chooses to have the baby or not. That's why medical care and support from loved ones are important. Any man worth his salt would emotionally and physically support his women if he knows she's going to be sick for any reason, especially anything involving a pregnancy he had a part in causing. You'd think an educated psychologist like the movie's protagonist who actively supported her getting the abortion would know the psychological value of supporting his girlfriend in person.

[@moonshadow1795]

​@@willjapheth23789 1:it's a surgery, you were right on the fact that surgeries are often scary enough within themselves 2: just because they don't think it's a 'sin' doesn't mean they go in all smiles and sunshine. It's not a 'sin' to put down your dog after they grow old and love in pain, but you still are sad about doing it. 3: Someone getting an abortion doesn't always mean they don't like the thought of having kids. They might just not be healthy enough, be in a good enough situation, ect, to provide for the child. They can be fully sad about not being able to carry the child to term. 4:Pregnancy also causes emotional imbalance on its own, and whilst earlier on its not as bad, combined with the stress of surgery and any other forces, it can make a wreck out of people. These are just a few could think up off the top of my head. Really, they are simple, and it sort of betrays how you seem to think that if it isn't a 'sin' that must mean its seen as just another fun activity. I'm not saying you are a bad person, but that this is a way of thinking many people are TAUGHT to take on, and it only makes you have a harder time actually understanding others.

[@quinnzykir]

Why would the devil even care. Dudes got hell to run

[@quinnzykir]

Though it would be funny if Lucifer from the Netflix show or Hazbin hotel possessed the dude.

[@Topias2-x9q]

​@quinnzykir That is a show I would watch.

[@Colddirector]

That sounds like an amazing comedy - the devil trying to run hell while his demons constantly pester him every time a Christian has a bad thought. “My dark lord” “Oh for the love of- WHAT?” “We’ve secured a victory, Billy Joe Bob lustful thought!” “I’ve got an entire infernal realm to run, Beel! You think I care some shmuck got a boner? GET OUT OF HERE!”

[@brianarodriguez2757]

Now that would be funny. Especially if he goes on a tangent about rubber ducks.

[@quinnzykir]

@@brianarodriguez2757 TAKE THAT DEPRESSION

[@bulletproofzest]

The devil’s greatest trick was that rad melon grab he did that one time

[@ProgressivePerspektive]

3:11 I try not to be an edgelord atheist, but whenever I hear people talk like that I cringe so hard that it's impossible to have respect for them

[@michaelhall7499]

I actually think this movie is brilliant because of one thing: Nefarious got exactly what he wanted. He may have said that he wanted the main character to be an atheist but all of his actions led to him adopting a world-view that results in negative psychological states and the oppression of marginalized groups. He carefully planned each of his actions to persuade him into a conservative Christian worldview. It’s the best downer ending of all time.

[@aerodynamism5438]

I can`t wrap my head around the fact that full-grown men are still believing in the invisible bad guy making them do bad things.

[@GrayMansEndlessIncite]

They don't believe it. Do you think any Priest would rape kids or televangelist would snort cocaine at swinger sex parties if they really believed in the Bible's morality? Their trick is convincing other, more gullible, people they believe it. That gets people to put money in the collection plate and gets atheists debating them, which just legitimizes their nonsense as something serious enough to debate.

[@Thekingofsandwiches]

That’s what I can’t fathom. Do these bozos really believe in THE DEVIL!!? - for God’s sake (if you will) - or are they just grifters?

[@incircles36]

Thank you for discussing this movie! I tried watching it twice. The first time, I think I fell asleep almost immediately. The second time, I keyed in on the sermonizing, the groan-worthiness quickly won out over my curiosity, and I had to turn it off. Kudos for sticking it out!

[@JaredMillsIA]

Thanks for covering Steve Deace! He’s actually the guy who radicalized me to be far right wing when I was young, always interesting to see people who have helped moved me away from the right cover him directly.

[@Tancred672]

Thanks for doing this, I kept seeing this in suggested horror flicks on a streaming service. I was contemplating it but kept watching other things, and I'll keep avoiding it.

[@stimlord]

This is like they watched the 1998 thriller ‘Fallen’ starring Denzel Washington and then said, “You know what? Let’s just do this exact thing but like, infinitely worse.”

[@VogtTD]

It’s very telling that the Christian message comes from the demon.

[@MarcelineFrontin]

What's fascinating is that the filmmakers use the demon not as an important, cunning character, but as an excuse to be cruel to their opponents. While it would be smarter of Nefarious to congratulate and encourage atheism, since it helps him in his immediate goal, apparently it was just too tempting for the writers to have use a demon to berate and insult atheism even if it doesn't totally make sense. The function of the demon, it seems, is to be a meaner Christian without any pretense or hesitation. Nefarious calls atheists 'trash' and insults their intelligence. He says what a Christian might want to say but can't because it looks bad to be so unreservedly horrible. It's almost as if the purpose of *any* demon is to reinforce a Christian moral paradigm...

[@HarryNicNicholas]

these types of movies always fail because they have no idea how atheists think. also they have no idea how to be skeptical and criticise their own beliefs, you can't write a convincing script if all your dialogue is tilted to the beliefs of one side - as always they are preaching to the converted, they have no way to connect to the un-converted.

[@CiCodiCadno]

Yes, but that assumes a genuine motivation by those involved to convert the unconverted. Like Jehovah's Witnesses preaching at the door of their neighbours, the point isn't the slim chance of converting the neighbours - it's about instilling the in-group of the existing Jehovah's Witnesses. Elder JWs send out their young people to spread the word, so they get to see people "deny god, be stubborn and slam the door in their faces!" It's all in service of keeping the young repeating their doctrine, and from seeing any good in the out-group. This whole project was definitely Steve Deace's argument-in-the-shower moment to make himself feel good fighting an atheist strawman. It isn't about appealing to non-believers. It's about his own in-group feeling smug and Totally Owning The Libs or whatever

[@Colddirector]

@@CiCodiCadnoI’ve never had Jehovah’s Witnesses at my door, but hearing about how JWs want people slamming doors in their faces makes me want to be really nice to them.

[@umrayquazashinyapareceu1672]

I am a christian and i have 3 major sketicisms with the religion: 1: how hipocritical are the people in the religion, saying how we should "be kind to our neighbors", yet hate anything slightly diffetent from them or how they say they "do this in good faith" when they actually want money. It seems that the protestants and luther didn't change a thing in the religion. 2: the agnostic books (aka the "apendices") that, in many of them, containt not only moments that show things like lilith, a huma that was kicked from heaven for not listening to adam's every command and the whole kid jesus cursing a tree and all. 3: how do you explain evolution? Like, how do you explain so many different species if the animals of eden were "perfect" and "didn't need change"?

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@Colddirector folks usually feel like that until the JW's turn up.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@umrayquazashinyapareceu1672 if you're christian can you remind god he can't just go around killing people and burning them alive for eternity just because they disagree with him, we have rights. and while you're at it, cold fusion, if god isn't going to do anything about putin (heart attack or something that looks natural), if he's not going to stop the war, (when did he ever stop a war) then the least he can do is hint as to how to get cold fusion working - has he seen my electricity bills since the ukraine debacle started, there's a love eh. don't be pushy though, god has a short fuse.

[@CityofButterfly]

I can't believe the main character in this horror movie is named after one of the guys from Whose Line Is It Anyway.

[@helenr4300]

Appreciate your comments re working with those with mental illnesses. The implication in the film that a patient couldn't possible know their diagnosis descriptions in DSM/ ICD or whatever is demeaning. Just like physical illnesses - if you are chronically affected you absolutely learn about it. And part of that is the need to advocate for yourself among non specialists, as well as being able to explain your own experience - regardless if it fits the textbook template.

[@wompadillœ]

It’s completely bizarre to me that the writers chose a demon as the mouthpiece for their Christian propaganda. I’m honestly stunned 😶

[@sarahcusack]

@@wompadillœ the demons work for God, they play the role of tempter and accuser. like billy bob thornton in Fargo

[@ashleelarenz6166]

@@sarahcusackbut that doesn’t make sense, because devils are supposed to love sinners

[@sarahcusack]

@@ashleelarenz6166 No they aren’t. not in traditional christian theology. They tempt you to sin then prosecute it, then punish it.

[@petalsinthebreeze]

​​@@sarahcusackI guess God is A-Ok with Entrapment

[@sarahcusack]

@@petalsinthebreeze i think its only entrapment if they coerce you to do the crime not just encourage it