The Christians Who Don't Baptize

The Quakers, also known as the Religious Society of Friends, have a unique approach to baptism that differs from other Christian denominations. Quakers do not practice physical baptisms because they believe that baptism is a spiritual experience that can happen at any time and in any place. This belief stems from the Quaker emphasis on the inner light, or the idea that God speaks to individuals directly, rather than through priests or sacraments.
Quakers historically rejected many outward forms and ceremonies, including baptism and communion, as they believed these practices were not necessary for salvation. Instead, they focused on living a simple, ethical life in line with their beliefs and values. Today, many Quakers continue to embrace this spiritual approach to baptism and reject the need for physical sacraments.

[@LeoTheYuty]

I still respect their quakers because they made oatmeal.

[@kstar1489]

No they didn’t. It was a company taking the Quaker name because Quaker’s had a good business reputation for being honest and no screwing people.

[@meyer6891]

​@@kstar1489 I think it was meant to be a joke. Tx for the fun fact, tho

[@sumdumbmick]

what d'you mean 'still'? if you disagree with them on this it simply means that you completely lack reading comprehension skills.

[@SilverHand-fu1jn]

I just bought Quaker oat last night

[@khankeshkhan1636]

Everyone gangsta til the quaker oats jumpscare

[@MacedonZero]

Quaker here. It's always fun when I get to see the rare occasion when someone realizes or is aware that we still exist :)

[@alexandragomez2179]

I fully agree! I came to the comment section to see if I would stumble upon another Friend

[@zzzcocopepe]

I love Quakers and I've always loved Quakers. I guess it's partially just a nerdy fascination. But I also really like them too

[@alexandragomez2179]

@@zzzcocopepe I bet you are pretty great also!

[@churricardo1457]

There’s this rapper called DJ Lucas from Massachusetts and he mentions Quakers all the time in his lyrics hahaha

[@allanrichardson3135]

Metaphysical churches such as Unity and Christian Science also emphasize the Baptism of the Holy Spirit rather than water baptism. However, in Unity a person coming into the church CAN have a water baptism if they feel it to be helpful, and the same for Christening (or naming) their children. Sometimes the old customs are comforting even to those who do not literally believe them.

[@RealTerahNichole]

I work for the Quakers. It’s the best job that I’ve ever had! This group of people are the kindest, joyful bunch I’ve ever met. ♥️ Thank you Jesus.

[@Mike-gd4zd]

They’re a bit too political for my liking

[@kevinshinnock6667]

Nisa 4:171 Dont got to extremes when regarding your faith and don't say allah is three, stop! for your own good Maidah 5:116-117 Jesus will testify against those who worshipped him and his mother on day of judgement Imran 3:19 Islam is the faith for everyone Hijr 15:9 The revelation is revealed and allah takes it upon himself to guide from corruption

[@mmr1137]

​@@SoyebAkhtar25Now explain why Muhammad married 6 yeard old Aisha. And how vome Muslim men can have 4 wives and Muslim women can have only one husband.

[@maddiejomama]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@kevinshinnock6667John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.

[@HayK47]

@@kevinshinnock6667there’s a reason why the Quran is called the Satanic verses

[@ElectricRose9001]

My grandparents are Quakers, and it is seriously an awesome religion. Not something I ever got into, but we used to go to meetings at people's houses all the time. They switched every week, you spent time chatting, you spent time talking about a subject, you had your long pause of silence for meditation and reflection, and then there's always a potluck! And they have never been pushy about their religion, I didn't even learn it was one till I was an adult! 😅

[@somecallmeelvis]

"part of this complete breakfast",

[@j0nnyism]

Quakerism is one of the best religions. It’s so good that members want to keep it to themselves

[@paul_warner]

It sounds like quaker church is actually legit, first century, Acts 2 church. Might fuck around and join the quakers idk

[@stillhere1425]

And some of the first American Christians to protest slavery!

[@1John3.8]

It could seem like the most awesome religion in the world, but if it's not the truth then it's literally death, which is not awesome for your eternity.

[@ryanfisher4987]

“I know us Quakers don’t baptize but there’s no way he’d call us a major sect”

[@soxpeewee]

More major than say Westboro Baptists

[@user-fd6dv9wk8d]

I think he was only including Protestant denominations so excluding the Catholics and the Orthodoxs and anyone who isn't protestant then it might be more major as Quakers were one of the original Protestant denominations in America

[@andrewkingston4995]

Yea, the Salvation army would have been a better example of a group of Christians who don't Baptise. A google search reveals that globally, they are 4 times the size of the Quakers.

[@cultofmrozinski368]

I mean, you guys have Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon. That’s got to account for something.

[@CarbonatedCondensation]

@@cultofmrozinski368oh damn, really?

[@GFSuperTrooper]

Went to a quaker college as someone who is not religious whatsoever, and I have to say they are perhaps the kindest people i have ever met. Even historically they have been super involved in charity work and in the US they were a extremely active and important abolitionist group as well as a CO group. The way they conduct services too is something to strive for. Unlike most other religons that use a pastor/preacher/imam/ etc. as the focal point of the service, a quaker service has the people themselves be the focal point. They discuss grievances, hopes, fears and whatever they feel is relevant to share. When I visited their meeting house, they were super welcoming and inclusive (i have a service dog and everyone was totally respectful of me and my service animal). Tldr; Quakers are super awesome people

[@katherineheasley6196]

I also went to a Quaker college. George Fox?

[@GFSuperTrooper]

@@katherineheasley6196 Guilford College!

[@IsraelCountryCube]

*forget quaker* but why should you become a christian? Because it's true but yes these quaker oats people are very nice. However every now and then you want an Orthodoxy warrior to slap you ready for war amen ! Anathema to complacent "Christians"!

[@tinabe717]

@@GFSuperTroopermy parents live 15mins from Guilford College! I heard it was a good school

[@GFSuperTrooper]

@@tinabe717 I loved it there! Its got a good mix of Quaker and non-quaker staff. Plus its got a lot of history around it.

[@miloformiles]

Saw the beginning and was like 'nah we're not THAT major' and then he revealed the book of discipline and i audibly gasped... Thanks for giving us a shoutout!

[@Vintagelilys]

SAME I guess we may not have ever had many members but historically our influence has been pretty strong even with few numbers.

[@miloformiles]

@@Vintagelilys yeah, I always joke that we're secretly controlling the world. There aren't too many of us but we have an office with the United Nations, we get a good mention in most Western history books, our meeting houses are used as landmarks, and we've been part of some pretty major historic events... Hell, even these days, we're the only religion to have its central body openly endorse trans rights in the UK.

[@raymondkinsella2484]

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

[@bruhmoment1835]

⁠@@SoyebAkhtar25now talk about the sex slaves your Allah so dearly loves

[@ZachFish-]

What’s the book of discipline. You think it could be useful for anyone to have

[@whitflores8160]

To anyone interested in Quakerism, we are pretty chill and usually open to sharing our experiences. Anyone is welcome to join a Meeting for worship (church, we sit in silence), regardless of faith. You never have to convert. If you feel safe in our spaces, then we'd love to have you!

[@AtawesBrood]

John 3:3-8 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. A true baptism is the way Jesus did it. It signifies the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, who died for our sins that we may be saved. Christ himself was baptized to fulfill the new covenant with man. Also, it is a choice made by a mature young adult or an actual adult. Infants cant be baptized, because you need to make a conscience decision to dedicate your life to Jesus Christ to become truly baptized. Being baptized is not a tradition or a formality. I hope this helps everyone, also😂 Stop going to church on Sunday. Friday sunset to saturday sunset is the true sabbath, which the original christians practiced until the Roman catholic church changed the day to "help out farmers, and make it more convenient" etc.

[@heatherwoodley8244]

Do you guys follow the Bible? Im teying to learn more about it,.as a sceptic agnostic, delving into Christianity to learn more and perhaps become one, without being sucked in or disappointing people if I end up feeling it's not for me. Plus I have a LOT of sincere questions I want to ask Christians but I dont want to risk offending my Christian friends. Maybe the Quakers would be the chill, rational people who could answer my questions without preaching at me?

[@AtawesBrood]

@@heatherwoodley8244 I would start by asking Jesus Christ to open your heart to receive him as your savior. What makes christianity different is that as soon as you have faith and believe that Jesus was God made flesh, died for our sins, and resurrected after three days, you become saved. It isn't by how many good things you do for others. It is by God's grace and by repenting of your sins to Jesus that you become cleansed of your sins and saved. He wants us all to become saved, and to believe in him. It doesn't matter what you've done or who you used to be, God is holy and righteous and is not capable of lying. That's how I know he loves you and wants you to talk to him. You won't regret it. I've literally quit drugs, quit a porno addiction, and he has revealed himself to me. And I know he will reveal himself to you and you will feel his love for you, and it will be the best feeling you have ever had.

[@BLOCK0FCH33SE]

Does Jesus not say , " no one can enter the kingdom of god without being born of water and spirit" ? Please enlighten me on your belief vs this passage and why as a Quaker is it not adhered too?

[@whitflores8160]

@@heatherwoodley8244 hey there! Short answer: only of you want to. Old Quakers followed the Bible (not necessarily like other religions were, but I'm not the person to ask) but a lot of us have moved away from it. Some Quakers today don't even consider themselves Christian for a multitude of reasons (like me), you can find articles about the controversy/division. If you want a religious group with some sort of structure, you can find it in some Quaker groups, but if you want to explore, and make it a bit of DIY until you find what fits, that's cool too. You're not alone. I wish you luck seeking! May you never run out of questions

[@colin5227]

Sir you really dumped water on your head in front of your bookshelf, brave

[@jss.2020]

Congrats u r saved as some false sects believe

[@rabidsamfan]

That looks like a library bookshelf and if I were the librarian there you would be banned for at least six months.

[@daviddoyonjr5774]

People do crazy things for views and follows

[@jss.2020]

@@daviddoyonjr5774 dumping water on yourself is crazy? It's just for illustration purposes sir - has nothing to do with views.

[@NerdyMaiden]

Y'all, I'm pretty sure it's just a green screen 😅

[@scoopydaniels8908]

I went to a quaker High School.. I'm immensely proud of the education I got from the Quakers, as meeting for worship is an incredibly special thing I miss to this day.. sitting for an hour in the middle of the day on Wednesday in quiet contemplation.. then, if you feel moved, you stand up and say whatever it is you want to say. With no consequence. The Quakers also make all decisions through consensus, so even the person in charge of the community doesn't have any more power than the ability to try to influence people.. and if you were to go too far in the influence area to bribery or harassment, your leadership position would probably quickly come to an end.

[@tibbygaycat]

That's some very good principles i feel like. I'm not religious but as an anarchist I feel that working based on consensus is a great idea

[@scoopydaniels8908]

@@tibbygaycat I'm not Christian either. The Quakers are incredibly welcoming to ALL people. My school was part of the Underground Railroad.. it was originally a school for educating women and freed black slaves.. Also, 20+ years ago the dean of the upper school was was artificially inseminated and she and her wife had a child.. The warmth of the community towards gay students and teachers with a wonderful thing as well.. as was the strong drive for racial equality... we did not fly a flag.. I could go on, but it was an AMAZING experience into what people can do when they work together

[@zaplito3023]

I would miss the Eucharist each week.

[@dIancaster]

Why would anyone bribe the leader if the leader is no more influential than anyone else? That makes no sense.

[@scoopydaniels8908]

@@dIancaster really? Because that seems to be generally the mo of Earth. People with money will bribe somebody with power to get the things they want.. like Clarence Thomas and Harlan Crow... Clarence Thomas has the power of the court and the ability to sway decisions.. Crow has the money to throw around and give to Thomas to help him make his decisions and policies.

[@tedcoop4392]

I was raised in the Society of Friends, and I can tell you that many Quaker meetings do own buildings as a group, and many do have pastors or ministers (although such individuals are not ordained as clergy of other denominations often are).

[@thas4250]

As an unreligious person, your videos still manage to keep me engaged and interested, good work:)

[@katie18976]

I second that ☺

[@pelvicjoy]

I grew up Quaker and my mom was previously Methodist and uncomfortable with me not getting baptized. So she brought her concern to the Quakers and they devised a plan that everyone was comfortable with: they passed me as a baby around the circle and each prayed over me. And called it a "baptism" to make my mom happy

[@kalebgonzales4009]

I’m pretty sure baptism can be done even without a water baptism. Water baptism is just a symbolism but doesn’t really guarantee that you are cleansed from sin entirely. Sin will still be with you until Jesus’ return. What your mom believes is by tradition that has been passed down. It is very ingrained and sometimes hard to break. Same with Muslims and Jews and Catholics. They are very fond for tradition.

[@randomwhatever5403]

Same parental situation but I remember what was said I was actually water baptised, because our community had a very to each their own stance and just believed it wasn't any requirement but if you want it for the symbolism go ahead 🤷

[@stevenharrington3220]

​​@@kalebgonzales4009Peter said to Repent and Be Baptized for the forgiveness of sins. Baptism is more than just a symbol. To equate communal prayer to baptism is like playing with fire.

[@AMcDub0708]

That’s weird. There’s nothing evil about being baptized with water so why didn’t they just go ahead and do the water baptism? I understand their reason for not making it a formal practice but it sounds really strange to flat out reject it in special circumstances. Especially when Jesus himself was water baptized.

[@randomwhatever5403]

@@AMcDub0708 we aren't saying its evil or bad. Just that we don't see it as necessary and prioritise more substainal practices. And sometimes people put man made practices before Jesus's teachings and we try to avoid that. Jesus was water baptized, he also was jewish, yet Christians created our own seprate church despite jesus never saying to do so, not everything jesus did was exactly what is the thing going forward. As a quaker also think its weird to not do water baptism when wanted, as even if we don't think its something needed for a relationship with god, it can be a tradition and a nice symbolic gesture, my parents had me baptised for that reason not because they thought without it I would suffer. Don't think I will baptize my kids though

[@blessedwithchallenges9917]

My favorite Christian Evangelist is a Quaker named John Woolman. He attempted to follow the "tender moving of the Holy Spirit' with little regard for peer pressure. 1700's and he's questioning his people over why they have slaves...or if they are being fair and equitable to their wife, or employees. Was it OK to wear clothing that had color dyed into them? He really cared about what God might think. I own a book of his writings from 1776!

[@typicallyodd2237]

thank you for share that!

[@ablanccanvas]

Great that you have his book/writings.

[@blessedwithchallenges9917]

@@ablanccanvas it is a treasure to me. I saved up $275 and traded a whole set of Bible commentaries for it. Really awesome!

[@blessedwithchallenges9917]

@@typicallyodd2237 you're welcome!

[@rebeccabriggs2982]

My ancestors had slave ships but one branch broke away, were Quakers, and were part of starting the slavery abolishment movement

[@josgha2917]

Go forth and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit

[@geothepoly]

Quaker interpretation: "Baptize nobody? Ok cool."

[@ISplash22]

I guess baptizing them would be interpreted as showing them the holy spirit?

[@sheepketchup9059]

Of course, well not the water one, just the spiritual one 😊

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

@@ISplash22 Or bringing them to believe on Christ per His role in the Trinity. However, the commemoration is important, and I'd respectfully disagree with Quakers who don't believe in doing that. Even. IMHO, and maybe I'm wrong for pushing it that far, a cake would be better than nothing. However, in ancient Israel and in Jewish society abroad in New Testament times, ritual bathing was a common religious practice, and this is what John the Baptist did to spread the anticipation of the ministry of Christ Jesus, and so did the apostles of Christ Jesus for the commemoration of the personal acceptance of His ministry after He sent the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. I underwent a commemorative baptism after I had believed on Christ Jesus and began to receive both His cleansing and His ministry.

[@kiwisaram9373]

Jesus refers to another baptism as follows; Luke 12 “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. Clearly if refers to more than just water baptism.

[@TylerNickAllen.Design]

Proud to be a Quaker. Thanks for thinking of us.

[@Kharisma1980]

Speaking as an Anglican, most Catholic traditions assume that both happen virtually simultaneously, and Confirmation, Ordination, and Marriage all “activate” Baptism in specific ways.

[@jean-lucwalker3690]

Not quite, the baptism in water happens in the water, but the holy spirit baptism happens with laying on hands at the same time usually.

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[@No1tgffgh]

My ancestors were Quakers. I think if I ever found religion, it would be as a quaker. These people truly have a peaceful religion.

[@csm5040]

I’m not a Quaker but I really must ask you, what’s keeping you from becoming one?

[@Iliadic]

Truth is rarely about peace.

[@theguy3517]

Not a bad choice. If you chose Christianity, it would also depend on how you interpreted scripture, and if Quakers interpreted it the same way in their doctrines. Best of luck to you, though.

[@mspaint93]

​@@csm5040 Cant speak for them, and I hope this isnt rude, but I think if theyre like me they admire the belief systems, practices, traditions, community aspects etc of some faiths, but at the end of the day if you just dont have a sense of spirituality then you cannot make yourself believe in the supernatural no matter what.

[@csm5040]

@@mspaint93 I relate to that 100%. I used to be an agnostic until a series of things started happening in my life that were simply too coincidental to be just coincidences. Shortly after, I became a Christian.

[@graceyjewels7148]

This makes a good point about how we should always teach the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I’m reminded when Jesus told John that he should baptize Him to fulfill all righteousness.

[@KatMNature]

I grew up Quaker and I still absolutely love this.

[@Emilio-np4dk]

You grew up as a heretic

[@loriannbendit6296]

Huh 🤔 I’m a descendent of quakers . When I did my genealogy I found ladies church notes from their meetings. They eluded to exciting times with Lincoln equality for blacks . They eluded to underground activities they would just keep doing and praying he makes it happen soon . I was blown away . When I was in my 20s I helped my dad at the family farm (goes back to that time ) me moved a chest freezer.found a secret room . With furniture books ,toys , and a bed . And cut shackles in a corner. We were never told and grandparents passed so we couldn’t enquirer if he knew. Ist all in an URR museum now 🙏🏼

[@Aromatic.Bleach]

Yes. And black folks now just lump all whites together. My great grandfather was born in Louisiana, to German immigrants and fought for the Union. Yet, they seem to forget about all the white folks who fought and died for their freedom. We're all just racist bigots now. :)

[@alicel3992]

Wow. But where is the 1st comment.

[@angelofknowledge9389]

Doubt anyone eluded...too dangerous and it would have been pre 1865

[@lysanamcmillan7972]

@@alicel3992 Possibly buried by downvotes or deleted.

[@benjaminmorris2312]

lol dude cut shackles…? Slaves didn’t actually wear shackles too bed and escape! You put to much icing on that cake

[@emilylindberg691]

I was raised in a Buddhist commune by Quaker raised parents. In my teens I attended Quaker meeting regularly, including youth retreats. My parents were both from Quaker families but didn’t practice much themselves. I now am not practicing but feel that Quaker ideals are about the best that Christianity has to offer. It’s a very accepting faith

[@Natures-Wonders-2024]

I was raised quaker and i love going on quaker holidays camping or in youth hostils. Such fun and such a nice community.

[@horneytoaster4773]

There wouldn’t be any difference in beliefs if they are also Christian’s…..

[@zebedwards9800]

​​@@horneytoaster4773 To be Christian is to follow the the Nicean creed. The Nicean creed says nothing about NEEDING to be Baptized 😅, or you can also go the other way and say that the Nicean creed doesn't define what a baptism is so their "holy spirit Baptism" is their Baptism. The Nicean creed does say: "I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins," so to say Baptism is inherently wrong IS wrong, to be fair.

[@stegokitty]

//It’s a very accepting faith// Which means it's not Christianity. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." And the rest of Scripture testifies that there is no other way of salvation except through the Lord Jesus. Quakerism is a rejection of everything Christian. They are not Christian.

[@alim.9801]

​@@stegokitty it sounds like you're kinda bragging about how "real Christianity" isnt accepting?

[@twigwigsoso]

AHHHH AHHHH I GREW UP QUAKER AND BECAME OFFICIALLY ONE AT 17 I GET SO EXCITED TO HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT MY FAITH ITS SO RARE- the good AND the bad need to be talked about, if you are ever in appalachia- visit celo NC if you can, i was so so lucky to spend my summers there- it's a closed quaker commune/landship, and it's super beautiful and some amazing people.

[@raicattivo]

The Quakers may just be the most chill religious group out there

[@kenna176]

The more I learn about Quakers, the more I resonate with them. Wish I didn't work Sundays so I could attend.

[@williamedge5130]

If you’ve got a local Meeting and want to find out more, see if you can get their contact information. There’s probably someone here who would be happy to chat with you, and I know some meetings have separate worships for those who can’t do Sundays

[@ezekielbreedlove7698]

According to the Bible the day you need to not work is Saturday, the Sabbath! Or Sabado in Other languages!

[@MDaggatt]

You can most likely find a Quaker meeting that will fit into your schedule. Lots of Quakers have additional meetings on other days of the week, and a bunch do zoom meetings, which means you could go to one in a different time zone. Quakers also believe that any place where at least one or two Friends are gathered in prayer is a holy place, so you can also hold a meeting on your own or with a close friend/family member. All you need to do is find a peaceful place, sit in silence for a set amount of time, and listen to the Holy Spirit. I live in the wilderness for parts of the year and hold plenty of meetings on my own. Quakerism is based on the idea that every single person has access to direct communion with God, so all kinds of prayer and religious services are welcome. Even if you can't go to a Quaker meeting, you can still be involved in Quaker practices!

[@siliconsulfide8]

@@ezekielbreedlove7698 I suppose Sunday being the day of rest instead* might come from Genesis (7th day - rest)? *for some denominations/religions - if I remember correctly, Judaism for example does go with Saturday

[@AMcDub0708]

You don’t have to work on Sunday. You just tell your boss you are religious and you no longer can work on sundays.

[@KendallKelly]

My Mom is a Quaker...they are sooooo nice and do a lot of good things for people.

[@Alejojojo6]

You said so because its your mum haha lol

[@RTHenry83]

Great videos as always! It's good to see a believer in Christ have a such a deep appreciation for not only church history but history and fun facts in general. As a Baptist pastor myself I approve of this channel. 😉

[@InternetRando42]

I always loved the Quakers I got to know. Their practice was quite different from the charismatic/pentecostal believers I rubbed shoulders with in the same social circle, but there was always the same Spirit. That was a really special time.

[@NTXAngoras]

I wish there was a meeting of friends that gathered near me. I would love to be a Quaker.

[@STak-ju7gx]

I'm not quaker, but we have these types of meetings. As well as the bigger meetings. It's very likely, that there are groups like mine, near you.

[@theboujieproletariat]

As long as you can find another person, its a meeting! Or you can go to an online one

[@sparklingdeath1730]

Honestly Quakers just seem really chill especially in comparison to pretty much most Christian denominations. I don’t have a full understanding of their religious practices as GCSE’s generally focuses on the better known Christian denominations (Roman Catholic, Church of England), but whenever my RS teacher mentioned them they always seem to be the group that is quick to accept and have an open mind on subject matter that most others take far longer (or just don’t)

[@JesusSavesTheLostBrokenConfuse]

There shouldnt be any denominations. Jesus follow him and not religions and traditions of man.

[@yourstepfatherrrr]

@@JesusSavesTheLostBrokenConfuseRealistically, even churches who say they’re non-denominational are just all but the name Baptist. Everyone has their own interpretation. Baptists think we should study the Bible, Methodists (me) think we should focus on works, and so on. I don’t think it’s necessary you choose a denomination, but it makes it easier in a sense as well

[@CorbiniteVids]

a lot of quakers really aren't even christian. There's universalist quakers and non-theistic quakers whose beliefs explicitly break away from christian doctrine, though those from what I understand *tend* to be more common in british quakerism as opposed to american quakerism which tends to be much more explicitly christian.

[@lysanamcmillan7972]

@@yourstepfatherrrr Baptist or Evangelical Free Church.

[@emryswilliams9190]

@@JesusSavesTheLostBrokenConfuse I think the idea of denominations is beautiful. There isn't brokenness or division, just different ways of worshiping and teaching (not different teaching, different ways of teaching). In the end, we all come together to worship the same God as one church and preach the gospel as one church.

[@annamossity8879]

I always find this channel fascinating, I like all the dissecting of religion but honestly, anything you talk about is interesting! Thank you!

[@Ayem427]

Speaking as a Pennsylvanian, they literally built our state, nothing but respect for the Quakers

[@rebekahwhitney2726]

For my church growing up baptism wasn’t about being saved in particular. It was more about proclaiming to the world what you had already proclaimed in your heart. It wasn’t necessary for kids to do it, but it really made me feel like I was taking an active part in my faith and I was so happy the entire time. I don’t think you need to be baptized but there was no mistaking the spirit of joy it brought to me and also I think to many people in my community that I saw baptized

[@PatrickSteil]

What if Jesus and the Disciples told us we need to be Baptized?

[@rebekahwhitney2726]

@@PatrickSteil god showed John the Baptist how to baptize but it was before Jesus died. When Jesus died he went through another sort of baptism and after that, baptism was more symbolic of christs journey, the death of the old self and the rise of the new. But Jesus himself never said you need to be baptized to be saved, all you need to do is recognize Jesus died for your sins and was resurrected. In my opinion Jesus was putting an end to personal atonement of every kind, including the metaphorical. All you need now is love ✨💜✨

[@PatrickSteil]

​@@rebekahwhitney2726 This is so far from Christianity. Not sure who taught you this. What denomination is teaching these things?. In John 3 Jesus tells Nicodemus he must be born again of water and spirit. In the very same chapter Jesus and the Disciples were baptizing people into the faith. In Acts 2 - at Pentecost, Peter and the Disciples (after Jesus' resurrection) were baptizing for receiving them into the faith. Jesus said and did this. The Disciples did this. The early church did this. The entire Christian Church Baptized people for entry into the Faith. It has always been one thing that all Christians could agree on. "all you need to do is recognize Jesus died for your sins and was resurrected" - just recognize it? As the Scripture says - even the Devil believes in Jesus. " In my opinion Jesus was putting an end to personal atonement of every kind, including the metaphorical. " So wait, then what is Jesus saving us from exactly? "All you need now is love" What is your definition of love?

[@rebekahwhitney2726]

@@PatrickSteil I think you are maybe taking things too literally because by putting an end to atonement I meant that we no longer have to sacrifice in order to clean ourselves of our sins. Jesus is the way the truth and the light, to me that means that his resurrection means that all people are capable of entering heaven by recognizing our faults, apologizing for them, meaning it in a way that leads us to preventing those sins in ourselves in the future, and leading a life where our love for one another lets us understand that all people are flawed and it is nothing we do that makes us deserve gods love, love is not real love if it must be deserved. Love is patient, kind, does not boast or brag, is not envious, love is want the best for others even if that means them leading a life that branches away from yours. Love is know that those who live by the sword will die by the sword and also so those who live judging others will die and be found wanting. Love is respecting free will even when your children leave the garden of Eden, love is accepting that not all people will have their name written in the book of life, but that doesn’t mean that they are worth less than someone who does. Above all else, love is a choice. A choice to accept that if Gods love is endless, and god loves all people, then there is no reason for me not to love you.

[@PatrickSteil]

​@@rebekahwhitney2726 Thanks! I do appreciate your clarifying what you said. That is making much more sense :) But words are important - the way we understand and express our Faith is very important and I believe American Christianity has fallen into the trap of relativism where we each claim to have "our own truth" - and the result is there is no truth at all. Everything you said in that last post I think I agree with! Love is a choice for sure! But realize that pretty much all of your description of what love is requires our cooperation. If we believe that God gives us free will, then we are the ones who must choose every day to love Him, have Faith in Him - and my new way of describing it - we must TRUST Him - daily. And when we do this, and we seek to TRUST Him with our whole heart, mind, soul and strength - we end up trusting him all the more. It is a deepening of relationship that happens over time. It seems to me this is the primary concern for a Christian - to Trust Jesus more every day. And so the statement a modern day American Christian might say: Salvation comes from Faith in Christ alone - is synonymous with Salvation comes from Trust in Jesus alone - and so I would agree with that - but then what does it mean to Trust Jesus - that is something that isn't a one time trusting, but a daily trusting - a daily choice to "trust and obey", to seek and love Him more every day. This relationship takes work! And so this is where it seems to me that for any Christian to say that it is our Faith and not our Works that is a requirement for "Salvation" is missing two important things. Faith or Trust is not a one time thing - and so our Salvation is not a one time event, it is daily. We can on any given day decide to just stop trusting our Lord - and then we are lost again. FYI: my whole point is to try and bridge the gap between all Christians to help us come together in unity :) God Bless you

[@GeezNutz]

I appreciate the Quakers for not wasting money on giant churches or seeking prestige.

[@Solico-rf6rq]

Building churches isn’t a “waste”. God gave us objective beauty and we should build churches to glorify Him as God’s heavenly kingdom on Earth. As long as we DONT build these churches via illegitimate and sinful methods, it is perfectly fine

[@mrepix8287]

Historically cathedrals were built as public works projects to give people jobs, in the same way FDR funded the construction of infrastructure to create jobs

[@evanfehring7488]

​@@Solico-rf6rqBut the opportunity cost...

[@imperiumoccidentis7351]

@@Solico-rf6rq Technically true, but more often than not it becomes a pointless and egotistical display of vanity rather than an act of genuine love for God.

[@Solico-rf6rq]

@@imperiumoccidentis7351 I agree, just look at the St. Peter’s Basilica. It led to the practice of indulgencia and massive corruption in the renaissance Catholic church. I was just clearing the common misconceptions that Protestants make when they talk about churches, I believe it should not just be 3 lime walls and benches, if you are able, you should give God 100%.

[@wes9825]

Dang, this is actually a really good point on the quakers part. I never thought of that. I’ll definitely do more research on my own on this topic now.

[@Youngmensjourney]

You were definitely the kid in history class that said “furthermore” too often when you were called on

[@GhostnisanArt]

They have no pastors. They believe God speaks through us all.

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

And God can do that... but here's a caution, so can the devil.

[@PatrickSteil]

2000 years of Christian history would disagree with them :)

[@GhostnisanArt]

@Patrick Steil Christianity is practiced many different ways and this is but one vehicle to Christ. Quakers also focus heavily on being non-judgmental towards EVERYONE because Christ felt strongly about that....👀😊💜🌟🙏

[@GhostnisanArt]

@Seeking The Love That God Means yes and their practice is to sit in silence during service and listen for God to speak. If someone in the congregation is moved to read a Bible verse, sing a hymn, or just give testimony, the stand during meeting for worship and do so. It's like they preach to each other. Practicing mindfulness this way helps you to hone your Spiritual listening skills, from my experience

[@PatrickSteil]

@@GhostnisanArt "Christianity is practiced many different ways and this is but one vehicle to Christ. " If we believe(trust) in ONE GOD - is he not the author of all Truth? If we follow our Lord (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), shouldn't we be asking - Lord, what is your Truth? In this current world that has lost all sense of Truth - isn't the answer to give them His Truth? But if Christians purposefully decide on their own that they have the Truth, aren't we splitting Christ up into bits and pieces and thus teaching the World that we don't have Truth either? And aren't we ignoring the fact that Jesus left us a Church with a Hierarchy who Paul describes as the "foundation and pillar of Truth"? So that we will know who we are worshipping and we can all testify to the Truth in Jesus? Protestanism - in protesting agains the Authority of the Church - didn't resolve our need for Authority to know the Truth - it just moved it to be a matter for all Christians to decide Truth for themselves - which again means that no one in that system can ever really trust that what they believe is His Truth. "Quakers also focus heavily on being non-judgmental towards EVERYONE because Christ felt strongly about that." This is not correct. Jesus words for many sinners were to Repent and Trust in Him instead of their own sin. Christianity can judge whether or not someone is sinful and can help the sinful turn away from their Sin and towards our Lord. Otherwise he is a Messiah looking for something to save us from...

[@mikethered4864]

I grew up non-denominational, but essentially baptist. It was always explained to me that baptism was a public declaration of your faith to the congregation, rather than something you HAVE to do

[@deborahdean8867]

I wonder about the scripture where jesus said, 'go ye therefore into all nations baptizing in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost ". I think I have that right.

[@andrewbedell9175]

​@@deborahdean8867I wonder too. Also all throughout acts we see people getting baptised by the apostles

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

I wonder if that's why Jesus said you need to be reborn of water and spirit

[@clouds-rb9xt]

Baptism saves

[@AtawesBrood]

John 3:3-8 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. A true baptism is the way Jesus did it. It signifies the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, who died for our sins that we may be saved. Christ himself was baptized to fulfill the new covenant with man. Also, it is a choice made by a mature young adult or an actual adult. Infants cant be baptized, because you need to make a conscience decision to dedicate your life to Jesus Christ to become truly baptized. Being baptized is not a tradition or a formality. I hope this helps everyone, also😂 Stop going to church on Sunday. Friday sunset to saturday sunset is the true sabbath, which the original christians practiced until the Roman catholic church changed the day to "help out farmers, and make it more convenient" etc.

[@KodaCoplayer]

I got baptized last Sunday. I’m 29 years old

[@Davie-jx4rh]

I think it’s very interesting as they are almost a portal into what Christianity looks like organized without formal churches

[@HangryOnPaws]

**dumps water over self in a library**

[@a.w.4708]

Interesting how the same verses can be interpreted differently... I am a Catholic and for us I think the water baptism is a sign of spiritual baptism. BTW I am glad noone tried to literally baptize people with fire... Except few cases once in history iirc but it is commonly considered a mistake.

[@EricaTally]

Correct. One baptism for the forgiveness of sins (original sin is washed away)-this is also when we receive the Holy Spirit.

[@umatveg]

​@@EricaTally true, water is a symbol of the Holy Spirit, it's all over the Holy scriptures

[@relajado-fx5rf]

@@umatveg While baptism is an amazing sacrament and should be done, it isn't spiritual baptism. Spiritual baptism saves and water baptism is a show of your repentance

[@umatveg]

@@relajado-fx5rf you are separating, what no one on the early church nor during the first 1500 years of Christianity did. There's is no spiritual baptism without water baptism, unless God gives you a dispensation

[@relajado-fx5rf]

@@umatveg Please don't call the normal a dispensation. That is simply not true. Why would the thief on the cross and Cornelius be dispensations? Cornelius could've easily have gotten water baptized before being saved if that was how it was. I agree most become saved when they are baptized and a lot also right before baptism.

[@Capt.Leslie.V]

I'm a Soldier in the Salvation Army, and although some in the early days some were baptized, but now it is not practiced. I was never baptized, nor do I ever plan to.

[@joe1205]

I was always taught that some babies were "christened" rather than baptised, because as a Baptist myself, I had a dedication, since I was to look forward to my baptism later on in a baptism pool.

[@edwinsuijkerbuijk5106]

Historically when to baptise people led to a lot of issues. When the Baptist movement started to catch on in the Netherlands and Germany they were prosecuted as heretics. Most of them at the time anabaptist people who in the catholic tradition where baptised as babies, the re baptised when they converted to Baptist. More Baptist were burned at the stake then witches. Though another common execution method was to drown a anabaptist,colloquially referred to as giving them their 3rd baptism. No wonder so many of them went to the Amerika at that time, to get away from this prosecution.

[@tombrown7459]

AS a Quaker I can say this is partially true -it is true the traditional "silent" Quakers do not baptize nor do they ever have communion but modern evangelical quakers (also known as Friends or Evangelical Friends) do both

[@txavielhumano6541]

I wanna be your friend

[@FpeEddie2]

I was in a Friends Church since my teens and some parts of my adulthood, I left....

[@randomwhatever5403]

Theirs also a mix of both. My local community (who are friends btw that's a just core quaker thing from the beginning) *never* does communion, but approach to baptism was to each their own they just don't see it as a requirement as other churches do, but if you wanna do it as symbolic tradition go ahead. Frankly though I had never until now heard of any quakers that did communion. Im not sure how that sits with me, especially their being "non-silent quakers". Like if you do both baptism as standard practice and communion and don't have time of silence in your worship... Yeah that just doesn't seem like quakerism at that point? Maybe your at least in tune with the progressive beliefs but the rest just doesn't seem to qualify as quaker service if ya ask me

[@Allaiya.]

Why would they not have communion?

[@randomwhatever5403]

@@Allaiya. Same reason as for baptism , we don't see it as needed and no longer of significant as we believe the holy Spirit is with everyone and you don't need anything else for that relationship and you can be with God anywhere not even not just in church or with a priest without is just as valid (which that got a few of us killed back in ye old america days), as well as we believe in a merciful god who loves everyone and while we should be good people (we helped abolition and faught to reform prisons both of which got us in trouble with other christians back in the day) you don't need any actions for redemption not even belief and that belief alone doesn't mean you where good, its a real character first take. Meanwhile some people believe in baptism, confession, and communion believe in a vengeful god and think these practices are needed to get a relationship with God and to be cleansed and without them you'll burn in hell or you'll not be able to have a relationship with God, and that what every you do as long as you believe and fallow tradition your fine, its a more structure based take.

[@ShadrolGER]

My man here really calling quakers a major branch of Christianity.

[@BankruptMonkey]

They kind of are, they don't make a ton of fanfare though so a lot of people aren't aware of them. They are in multiple countries and there are also many in the US and Canada, they usually borrow other people's churches or buildings instead of building their own (though not always), and most renamed themselves Friends instead of Quakers because of the unaffiliated oat company tarnishing their name with unethical business/ corporate shenanigans.

[@_magnify]

Major branch may have been a stretch lol. Though 2 of the United States were founded as Quaker settlements and we have had a Quaker president, so it’s not like a fringe group.

[@kaiwalters7430]

​@@_magnify Two Quaker presidents actually: Hoover and Nixon

[@_magnify]

@@kaiwalters7430 didn’t know about Hoover 😳

[@vincentmackinnon3601]

​@@_magnify I though you 2ere talking about the shakers And there was only 2 of them left can you do a video on them and what the differencebetween them because their name is similar

[@galaxycraft0075]

When I hear Quaker I can't help but think about Band of Brothers.

[@mhxybeats653]

Quakers are by far the most chill denomination and have always been on the right side of history (from what I know)

[@Calmseagull]

Unfortunately this isn’t true. Quakers started the practice of solitary confinement, something they’re now working to try to end and they take it very seriously that they are responsible for something so harmful

[@southwegianofazanochine6114]

Hahaha I'm Quaker, but I grew up methodist but had a full emersion baptism. Although I think the spiritual element is what counts, the symbol of baptism is very important and helpful to many.

[@icycatholic]

Baptism isn’t a symbol, check any early church document or writings.

[@georgeb.wolffsohn30]

​@@icycatholic it's a sacrament.

[@letsomethingshine]

its a false religion for those who are bound easily by false things, like "culture" or sports games or politics or bibliolatries.

[@icycatholic]

@@letsomethingshine heresies will crumble in satans mouth, but Jesus’s church will not fall against the gates of hell.

[@MissSpaz]

​@@icycatholic it's metaphorical and symbolic.

[@captainfordo1]

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” - Jesus

[@BullSheeper]

There’s not much getting around this direct commandment from God. Get baptized people!

[@mikesarno7973]

I'm in the comments for this.

[@Maria-jq3zv]

Yep! It’s kind of shame to see all the people in these comments talking about doing away with water baptisms.

[@amouramarie]

I was born of the water of the womb. Me and God are tight.

[@BullSheeper]

@@amouramarie everyone was born of the water of the womb, that’s why it’s called born “again”

[@apvviewer.8290]

The quakers were legendary, i’ll never forget their denomination as long as i live! I remember a friend that was a member (quaker) doing a 360 no-scope in call of duty in 2006 and i was astonished 🙂‍↔️

[@GhostKamikazee]

This man just took a glass of water on his head for us. Let us take a minute to remember the sacrifice his floor and clothing made for us

[@Drosio_AV]

It's cute that you consider the quakers a mayor branch of Christianity

[@brendenporterfield327]

theres not even half a million😭

[@squeakhawk01]

Did you know that Richard Nixon was raised in the Quaker faith?

[@Ozblivion]

especially since christianity doesn’t even have a Mayoral office

[@icycatholic]

@@Ozblivion Yes essentially a leader the Pope is the vicar of Jesus Christ on earth.

[@hunterfisher6161]

@@icycatholic went right over your head lmao

[@kevinwillems8720]

The quakers remain some of the most based Christians.

[@Natures-Wonders-2024]

Thank you friend

[@MacedonZero]

@@Natures-Wonders-2024 are you a fellow friend?

[@Natures-Wonders-2024]

@@MacedonZero Why yes I am. Are you a friend?

[@MacedonZero]

@@Natures-Wonders-2024 yes indeed!

[@Natures-Wonders-2024]

@@MacedonZero Wonderful! It's always nice to meet another Quaker. Can I ask where in the world you are from? I'm from the UK.

[@angelzavala2254]

I always heard stories about how nice Quackers tend to be nice and respectful. Greetings from a Catholic. ❤✝️

[@christiansaravia7865]

I love Quakers they are so nice. I’m Roman Catholic but one year my cousin and her friend’s family took us to a get together at the Quaker church that was opened for everyone to come to. It was for Easter if I remember correctly. They were some of the kindest people I’d ever met.

[@kimmycup2704]

Ngl the more I learn about Quakers the more I love them.

[@kittyhunter3595]

I’m a Quaker and yes one of the things I love about being a Quaker

[@Vloiduc]

I remember watching my little sister get baptized when i was a kid and it was the funniest experience looking back. I remember them dragging out a literal garden hose, and i had to let the pastor know half way through that there was a dead spider floating in the water💀

[@aaam.bunnies7148]

This us why we always have to read our bibles... daily, everyday for our entire lives

[@___.51]

Just like Jesus commanded of us, in that one verse where he said blessed is he who studies the Bible daily… can’t find it right now but I know it’s in there.

[@aaam.bunnies7148]

@@___.51 Here's a few that I marked in my bible, it might come in handy 👍🏾 ‭‭John‬ ‭14:21‬ ‭NIV‬‬ [21] Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.” ‭‭John‬ ‭15:10‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ [10] If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love. ‭‭Joshua‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭NIV‬‬ [8] Keep this Book of the Law always on your lips; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful. ‭‭Psalms‬ ‭119:2‭-‬3‬ ‭NIV‬‬ [2] Blessed are those who keep his statutes and seek him with all their heart- [3] they do no wrong but follow his ways. ‭‭Psalms‬ ‭119:27‬ ‭NIV‬‬ [27] Cause me to understand the way of your precepts, that I may meditate on your wonderful deeds.

[@Omega_Orion]

Paul, frantically running "He is coming after me!!!"

[@Kipicus]

My Mom belongs to a Quaker community for a time, then Seventh Day Adventists, then we finally settled on Presbyterian. I used to ride my bike to the local Presbyterian church and I signed up to be baptized and confirmed all in one go, so presbyterians do preform baptisms for older kids (I was 14.) My pastor was so funny, we were going through the practice ceremony, and he said, “So I’m going to say the words and then sprinkle some water on your head. If water trickles down on your face, Do Not wipe jesus out of your eyes. You’ll be fine.” Freaking hilarious guy. Glad to have had such a positive experience before leaving the faith. 💕

[@giangano9161]

So you've left the church. But have you given up on your relationship with God? Or just stopped going to church to worship?

[@Kipicus]

​@@giangano9161 I stopped going to church. I couldn't have given up on my relationship with God because there is no concept of God that is tangible enough where-in I can begin to have a relationship with it. That's my annoying way of saying I'm atheistic. :) (A secular Buddhist, specifically.) I respect people's faith though, (unless they used it to hurt people. I don't respect anyone who hurts anyone for any reason.) I understand religion is very personal and I've seen how deeply it effects people for better or worse. There are as many concepts of God as there are people who believe, even among people of the same faith. But what ever fits you is your personal truth, and I hope it brings joy and light to your every day. None of the god concepts that people have shared with me really stood out to me to be true, so I landed here by default. I'm basic AF. :P I will say, once I finally accepted my true feelings and stopped trying to fit in with my crowd it felt like a million pounds was lifted off my chest and I was finally free to be my self. Like I didn't have to play pretend and basically lie to my friends just to have a relationship with them. It was pretty legitty. 10/10 recommend. (Unless you have true faith, then 0/10 do not recommend because you'll be in the position I was in, feeling like a total imposter. Awful feeling. Million pound chest. Panic attacks at night. Would never try to pester someone into "sharing my beliefs" simply because I assume I'm right. That's a genuinely hurtful thing to do to someone, and as mentioned above, I do not respect that.)

[@saramarjan1251]

Interesting… ive heard my mom say that an old christian lady tells her that jesus(isah ) asked his ppl to follow the one who comes after him n dat is muhammed (pbuh) also apparently ppl believed it to b d holy spirit. Muhammed did teach muslims to ablution with water min 5 times a day before prayer that will wash away the sins committed by the respective body parts like eyes n ears n mouth

[@Taygon094]

@@Kipicus So, sister, if it is my truth that it is right to use my faith to hurt others, who are you then to say that I am wrong since you literally just promoted an ideology which crumbles in on itself the moment you do not live what you preach? The notion that we can live in a world where "your faith, your truth" rules, that subjective right and wrong, and truth, is how it is, then we must change the legal system and remove every law that would punish a person, as it might infringe upon their feeling of what is their truth. A criminal could use your philosophy as an argument in court and say "it was my truth that it was right to kill that man, so I did. Who are you to tell me I am wrong since truth is subjective?" See where I am coming from? It hurts to read about people who's been in the faith previously and then they fall away because of human errors. Allow me to ask you a few questions: Does the bible say you have to change for anyone other than Jesus? Because God is the only one who "demands" a change in people, as in, the moment you are saved by putting your faith in Jesus, God transforms your heart and the holy spirit begins working within you to keep you walking on straight on the unhindered path, to rebuke you when you do something wrong and tell you when what you do, or say, is in God's favor. Why do you put the blame on your faith and Jesus/God for people literally just being people, fallen creatures who invent many odd notions for themselves in regards to how you should act, clothe, eat, etc, when Jesus literally sets you free from all these things and says that you do not need to worry about what you eat and drink, the way you look, and so forth? Your faith in God, I am sorry to say, was never genuine if you allowed other humans so easily to shake your foundations and have you leave, because you are attributing the quality and content of christianity to humans instead of God. If you spent more time studying what God says about things instead of people, then perhaps your relationship to Jesus would be different. You call yourself an atheist, yet you lean more towards Buddhism than Christianity. Care to clarify to the ignorant here what it is in Buddhism that is true and beneficial to humanity? Does it have a savior? Does it have a solution to the world's problems? Isn't Buddhism literally about reincarnation, dying and then living, over and over again until you reach perfection so you can finally die off permanently? Can you prove that a cow or a beetle was one of your deceased relatives or friends? I think you need to begin asking yourself some fairly eye-opening, heavy questions here, before it is too late. Jesus is knocking on the door and beckoning right outside your heart. It is up to you to open it or keep it shut, like the hardened hearts of all those who rejected God in the old testament used to do.

[@Kipicus]

@@Taygon094 Sure! I can answer those questions! Thanks for asking, and I am sorry for triggering you with my long post. Firstly religion and law are different entities, just to clarify I was talking strictly about religion (and to be fair we can rope in philosophy here). Sorry for not being clear on that. I hope you understand that those two things are different, because it was strange you used a "slipper slope" argument conflating the two. Definitely go check out the difference if you're confused. Secondly the bible dictates the community. The people I went to church with were wonderful and I think you are vastly misunderstanding the position I was in because I gave very limited details outside that it was troubling to me. Unfortunately you filled in a lot of gaps with incorrect information, so those statements are actually not relevant to my situation. Thank you for attempting to give me advise in an aspect of my life that is far more nuanced an complicated than what I care to share in the youtube comments. Maybe I'll write a book someday. I'm certain my faith in the christian concept of god was never genuine so that is a very accurate observation. 🙂Can't have genuine faith in something that was never fully real to you. I gave it a good ol' college try though! Tried to find it, never found it. C'est la vie. Moved on after much gnashing of teeth and what-not. Lastly, you can research secular Buddhism, as there is a ton of free information available on the internet and in public libraries that explain the thought process behind taking the core concepts of Buddhism and applying them to a secular life style. It's actually really fascinating I think you'll enjoy it since you seem to have a curious mind! If you are convinced that you need a savior then Buddhism isn't for you. I personally am not in trouble, and I don't follow a religion that tells me otherwise, so I don't feel it necessary to be saved any more. You could say I was SAVED from the idea that I was ever evil to begin with. 😉 Buddhism's number one doctrine is spreading the word of loving kindness. There is the eight fold path and the four noble truths in Buddhism. I don't think it's the secret sauce to world peace because humanity will never agree on anything (because of the aforementioned personal truths.) But it works for me. Just to reiterate I am a secular Buddhist, so I do not know that reincarnation is real. If you're not sure what secularism means I recommend looking that up as well. Weirdly enough there are oodles of books written by Christian families who claim their sons/daughters were reincarnated. A common story is that a son recalls things about being in WWII and remembers intricate details of things he should NEVER know as a toddler. It seems some Christians do have real evidence that reincarnation is true. I don't know about cows and beetles though... outside of the fact that they are ridiculous cute. No, I think I'm just going to be permanently dead at the end of my life. This brings me great comfort, I don't want to do more after I die. I've done enough. Full disclosure, I'm 35. I've had this conversation a metric butt-ton of times because Christians get super triggered when you say you left the faith so I'm used to getting grilled. I don't think there's anything new that can be be brought to the table that I haven't heard or read before. I'm glad you found something that has brought peace to your heart though! Thanks for reaching out. 😄 Feel free to pray for me if you like, it's nice to know you care!

[@blurk.l8033]

wow i never knew this and i find it very interesting to learn. Love these little insights. Thanks so much

[@KingTragic02]

Because water baptism show’s your brother’s and sisters your commitment to God it is the fruit of the spirit as we can’t judge a man’s heart only God can so we must go by their fruit

[@clockchaser]

That's just not a biblical reason for water baptism. It's completely the wrong reason to get water baptized if you believe water baptism is necessary or required. Please do tell what fruit of the spirit that water baptism is because they are listed. 22¶But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. So which one does water baptism fall under?

[@alexandragomez2179]

That’s me! I’m Quaker and baptized by the Holy Spirit! No need for water

[@kingpet]

Technically, no one NEEDS a water baptism. It's simply a declaration of faith. But a lot of denominations follow it since it's done in the Bible. Even Jesus Himself was baptized by water, in obedience to the Father.

[@lizcerna6009]

​@@kingpet That is incorrect. Baptism is a means of grace. Our sins are forgiven in baptism, we are adopted into the family of God, and we receive the Holy Spirit who imparts faith. Look up 1 peter 3:21 and Acts 2:28.

[@lizcerna6009]

You definitely need to get baptized. Baptism saves! Look up 1 Peter 3:21

[@CAsnowman]

@@lizcerna6009 yeah I disagree completely. We’re saved through faith by grace alone. Thief on the cross was not baptized yet was saved. We simply believe on the Lord Jesus and we are forgiven.

[@elizabeths4371]

@@lizcerna6009 I agree, and Paul's water baptism by Ananias which Paul recounts later in Acts 22, as being FOR the forgiveness of his sins.

[@ultimatriple777]

I've also heard the Salvation Army doesn't practice baptisms either, or communion.

[@Alexhrahsel]

Yes, they believe in the Baptism by blood and fire, my wife was a salvation army before we got married.

[@beef0678]

@@Alexhrahsel did she get dunked in blood and then set on fire for her baptism then?

[@Alexhrahsel]

@@beef0678 obviously, that's why they come out as hybrid dragons

[@davidgrounds2168]

This is correct - The Salvation Army does not do water baptism or formal communion

[@kmcgyver4134]

​@beefy0678 I really shouldn't laugh.....but I confess....I did!

[@RandomResearch57]

I LOVE BEING BAPTIST!

[@ggmcsassy]

Quaker by birth (friends church). My Grandpa was one of the most wonderful evangelistic believers that I know and he always joked that he was "dry cleaned"! I definitely believe that baptism is an important outward step in conversion but not what saves. I will always choose to be associated as a follower of Christ over any denomination but I am so thankful for my Quaker heritage and their sensitivity to the Holy Spirit as well as their roll in abolishing slavery in this country.

[@fortunatefish4a406]

Baptism in water is to publicly show a change in heart

[@johsiantorres8495]

No

[@ninjason57]

@@johsiantorres8495 1 Peter 3:21

[@tesladrew2608]

Was it always done in public?

[@TruthSetsUfree100]

@@johsiantorres8495 Actually yes it is, read Acts 8 : 12 and 34-36 its Obedience to Christ

[@savodoom3175]

It's indoctrination into a deathcult

[@Michael_Biggs_]

I always thought the Baptists were still trying to wash off the smoke from the casino or the strip club.

[@ariarichards-]

Sorry, what?

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

SNORT

[@zzzcocopepe]

Ohhh shiiit

[@maiaraandrade1952]

Ooooh 😂

[@dizfoster8726]

I’m a Friend of Quakers!

[@andrewkawagoe7586]

I’ve always thought of baptism as something to do when you’ve matured more in your faith and that it was almost like a promise to God saying that you’re going to take your faith more seriously

[@TheFakeyCakeMaker]

It is. Infant baptism is more symbolic, charismatic denominations don't baptise at birth for the reason you've stated.

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

Baptism is never symbolic

[@Maximos384]

The Bible says baptism saves

[@sharimcguire7626]

I went to a Christian high school in Salem Oregon. There were some quakers. They had a church building. I didn't know about baptizing though.i also am a Baptist

[@mescko]

Salem Academy, or one of the others?

[@sharimcguire7626]

@@mescko salem academy

[@swigglezmc]

John the Baptist be like bruhhh.

[@richardwhite6062]

Baptism has always been a symbol. An act of faith. And the Father in heaven recognizes your intent. Its not a requirement to be saved. But is certainly a pledge and a work of faith.

[@AdrieSteia]

My dad is quaker so i knew right away.

[@EJ_D._Kidd]

I trust them more than most public churches

[@akabga]

Me, too.

[@Natures-Wonders-2024]

Thanks

[@corbinkellum]

I was a Quaker pastor (EFM) and I baptized plenty of people. There is diversity in thought as they progressed.

[@ProfEngelhardt]

EFC-ER member here. Thank you for pointing this out. I was about to do the same.

[@richardseed8253]

Baptism with water is not part of the British tradition nor in the original practice. Evangelical friends, particularly those in the USA adopted this practice and aspread it around.

[@ForeclosureGhost]

@@richardseed8253 My friend, and they forget about the baptism of fire nobody really speaks about. That baptism is the most important one after the baptism of the holy truth. Water baptism is only symbolic but the others come from God himself, not from man.

[@lukestephenson8855]

Where ever two or more are gathered there are at least three opinions-every Quaker. (From a Quaker)

[@randomwhatever5403]

Yeah, Its definitely more like baptism isn't *required* but if you want it for the tradition and sybolitary its fine. Like we are opposed to it its just not seen as needed like it is for some

[@IsaiahINRI]

I grew up Pentacostal and I've never been baptized. I was raised to believe baptism was more a stronger dedication of faith but not a necessity. And given my massive social anxiety and hatred of wet clothes I've never been baptized before.

[@jcd2005]

Amen. Baptist once saved, saved forever.

[@TonyPstunts]

Never met a Quaker that wasn’t the nicest of people. “Born agains” though… YEESH!

[@bobbybooshay5388]

The born agains are always so freaky. I genuinely dont know why.

[@Hurrrdurrrrrrr]

​@@bobbybooshay5388born again chirstians usually are indoctrinated into high demand religious groups (cults) Hence why they might be off-putting because they are actively trying to proselytize and believe what they're saying at the same time. Obviously not all born agains go into a high demand group, but a lot of them do which would be why they feel the need to disavow their previous lifestyle completely to fit in with their flock.

[@christineshah7330]

To be fair, being Quaker is, first and foremost, about recognizing your personal and profound relationship with the Lord. It is inwardly focused. What others believe or don't believe isn't my business. Sects that are focused on conversion, baptism, salvation of OTHERS...I can see how that would translate into being judgmental but thinking they are being helpful. I think it usually comes from a well-meaning place and I take it that way. In fact, I was told in another comment thread here, just now, that I am an atheist because I disagreed with someone about the need for the physical act of baptism. Disagreeing with kindness is a thing.

[@EdgyShooter]

Librarian going to have an aneurysm seeing that

[@thebee8415]

During the Irish famine or Great hunger as it is called today. The Quakers came to rescue all over Ireland feeding the starving with no payment necessary or request to convert. Their humanity should never be forgotten.

[@FourteenStars1776]

That elevation in his tone shows you that that was cold water

[@mikeymullins5305]

Quakers are very cool.

[@SkullAdmiralWalnuthead]

As someone who was also raised as a Baptist, I have to say “My condolences.”

[@Coupal1]

My great-grandfather was Quaker originally from Cornwall.

[@gerardmazzarese9363]

"You must be born again of water and the spirit." Jesus also said , "Go and baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

[@Undaunted2012]

👏🏼👏🏼 Yes & that name is Jesus Christ. Acts 2:38 KJV…. Don’t know why people don’t acknowledge the entire Bible.

[@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli]

Whoa. As a former Catholic, I think the Quaker explanation is more theologically sound, *and* they get extra props for not following organized cult like behavior by not having clergy or a corporate structure.

[@zzzcocopepe]

I think it might be a Catholic thing to agree with the Quaker philosophy. Because I think Catholics baptize their infants. Whereas I don't know how other denominations work. But I see a lot of kids getting baptized rather than babies. So I think if you are baptized as a baby, you don't remember it at all so you might as well have just been baptized in the Holy Spirit without any water. To those of us who baptized babies, it's more of a tradition or ritual. Rather than a Rite of Passage.

[@BullSheeper]

The Quaker position is a novelty and man made tradition. Clergy is literally in the Bible. If a church doesn’t have it (and the power to forgive sins) you know they ain’t the real deal.

[@TheRealMycanthrope]

@@BullSheeper big yikes

[@robertsadowski9690]

When a sentence starts with “as a former Catholic,” you know whatever follows is going to be absolute cringe and cope.

[@TheFakeyCakeMaker]

Everything is more appealing than Catholicism.

[@MissSpaz]

The Quakers are an amazing, beautiful religion. They accept LGBTQ+ indivuals, and are generally very accepting, truly following the values of Jesus. Also, no, not a Quaker myself, I'm Jewish. But there's a disabled lesbian KZbinr who was raised as a Quaker and still is.

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

They're liberal enough and individualistic enough to be able to do that. Some great Christian power doubtless comes through Quakers, though also some groaners before heaven. In general, classic churches would at least not encourage the practice. I've watched attempts to do that and frankly it looks like any old secular party to me when they do.

[@mandarinablue8438]

That's very nice to hear(well see typed whatever) 😊

[@flickcentergaming680]

Everything I've ever heard about the Quaker faith has been nothing but good.

[@chibigirl8545]

As a Catholic, i find this a very important question.

[@fpbongo6594]

I'm orthodoxy the spiritual and physical is united🙏🏾❤️☦️🗿🏴‍☠️

[@skitykittycat]

I love Quakers so much! I, myself, am Pagan but I have so much love for Quakerism

[@sagepaterson3649]

We have a couple friends who identify as "quagan", some of the best people I've met

[@Riot_Eclipsic]

​@@sagepaterson3649Oh my gosh, that's so cool

[@slavenrasic2173]

This comment tells me everything I need to know about them

[@maillemacanaugh1841]

Calling the quakers a “major” denomination seems like a stretch.

[@teologen]

Calling them “Christian” when they don’t have the sacrament which makes you Christian is an even bigger stretch.

[@ts-wo6pp]

​@@teologenyou're a nerd god hates nerds

[@maillemacanaugh1841]

Idk, who has the authority to judge who is Christian and who is not? It’s always a problem of authority.

[@teologen]

@@maillemacanaugh1841 Well, it seems to me, at least, that if a Church doesn’t follow Christ’s command to baptise (Matt 28:18-20), it’s not actually a Christian church. It’s like the Salvation Army. If you’re going there in addition to Church, that’s fine, but it cannot replace Church, because they do not perform the sacraments Christ instituted.

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

@@teologen SA is ultimately a kind of parachurch. They're fine with members going to more "full service" churches to complete out desired sacramental activities, but don't press it. In a pinch, salvation by bare faith on Christ suffices for eternity, but that faith will eventually move a conscientious Christian to desire to carry out other witnesses of their faith. The belief-then-immediate-baptisms of Acts were a custom possible because ceremonial bathing played a large part in the Jewish religion of that day. I think we'd have more immediate expectations around water baptism too if we had a ceremonial bath on each street corner and at every public body of water. Since we don't, the next best thing is to evangelize, if possible, in places where an immediate ceremonial baptism is possible. Since our modern fitness centers are a kind of ritual, though, I don't know why evangelism presentations can't propose going to the nearest fitness center and baptizing ceremonially in their pool. It doesn't have to be big and loud, have a large crowd, or involve everyone using the water.

[@prestonjones1653]

I grew up Pentecostal, we never baptized anybody either. Hell, our conversion/confirmation process was closer to a Muslim shahada. Glad I left the evil cult of corpseworshippers for Judaism.

[@Alekss88765]

“no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit”

[@one_smol_duck]

pleeeeeeaaaasssseee tell me that's a greenscreen and you didn't pour water on your head in a library

[@unknownsoldierx637]

You think he reads? There's only one book he cares about, the most irrelevant on, and he's never read the whole thing and barely understands what he has read.

[@justin2308]

@@unknownsoldierx637 What book?

[@jenna2431]

PS Quakers own buildings, many of them for generations of members since establishing themselves in the US, especially. And their "gathered" worship is actually more WORTH-SHIP-FUL. I never understood in 4 decades as a Christian how some guy yammering on up on a stage about 2 verses for 20 minutes was "worship." Quakers use a more "each one bring a song, prayer, reading" model, as well as time for contemplation.

[@keithlightminder3005]

And there is also silent worship so that some speak only if they feel led to.

[@emilylindberg691]

Quaker worship is different geologically. I grew up in NE where Quaker meeting is silent meeting with people being moved to speak but my grandmother was the child of a Quaker minister in Indiana. There they have a minister, here we don’t.

[@WillemPenn]

IDK, I think there is place for it all. I’m Anglo-Catholic by tradition and attending service provides one point of access to spirituality. I also attend 12-step meetings (which seem to have some Quaker influence) and those provide another point of access to spirituality for me. There is no one way to seek God/HP, to try and understand what it means to be human and what our purpose is. I am grateful for all the options. It’s like a buffet: why fight over whether kale or spinach or broccoli or string beans is the best green, when they all provide nourishment. Let people choose what they like.

[@GAURAVKumar-ol4xf]

John 3:5 - Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. This passage means that water baptism and baptism with holy spirit both are important to enter kingdom of God

[@Mister2120]

As a life long friend my understanding of it has always been that we focus on the spiritual aspects of sacraments be it baptism or communion as the physical acts had become largely devoid of meaning. People would participate in the sacraments but would lead lives devoid of Christ. I learned at a young age that silent worship (communion) or baptism in the spirit can be just as empty. It all depends on the heart. Many Friends do practice baptism as it’s not “forbidden” as much as a choice of your personal testimony.