The Chunkbase Problem

[@DIMM4_]

I want to update the tier list. Move vultures 1 to D tier. Vultures 2 is F tier in competition for the worst album of 2024. TLOP stays exactly where it is, still mid. Just cause an album has a couple really good songs doesn't offset the rest of the album.

[@asheercan6555]

MBDTF in mid should be a federal crime

[@destroycuh]

@@asheercan6555rage bait

[@SeamanLord]

It blows my mind no one lost their mind over the Ye rankings. Bro has a community of the last sane people on earth

[@cruzmatt22]

thoughts on 2093?

[@_luvo]

@@SeamanLordI quite literally did, I stopped the video as soon as he said tlop is mid 😭😭 TERRIBKE TAKE HOLY SH

[@broski7792]

In case people are still curious about whether or not Hermitcraft uses Chunkbase, in Hypnotizd's latest episode, he literally says that he used Chunkbase to find a slime chunk. That doesn't mean that all the hermits use it all the time. They all feel differently about it I'm sure, but there's no rule against it.

[@LyricAndCompany]

They've said before that they often do, the times he's referring to was a specific season where the seed was hidden on purpose. It was later discovered by I think Doc somehow, but 9/10 they usually know the seed and use the site

[@Amber7H]

​@@LyricAndCompany doc didn't find the seed, he accidentally showed bedrock patterns on the nether roof in one of his videos and people used that to find the seed and someone emailed him the seed

[@Mini-Gun1239]

i think someone used the carpet mod to detect slime chunks

[@7stormy334]

@@Mini-Gun1239 I think that requires the seed still

[@Mini-Gun1239]

@@7stormy334 i dont think he used the seed, its a resource pack

[@beefox__]

i usually try to find a biome for half an hour, at which point im no longer having fun, and then switch to chunkbase

[@haph2087]

Exactly. I do the same thing, except I spend closer to an hour or two searching before switching over. I like playing with a world map mod, so exploring tends to lead to discovering things on the map that I can go to later without chunk base, which helps avoid searching for multiple biomes in different playsessions. But still, finding biomes is pretty tedious in the base game.

[@MrMelonsz]

And this is why I see Minecraft as a deeply flawed and mainly unfun game (by itself). Compared to Terraria, which has none of the issues included in Minecraft lol. Minecraft is still my favourite game, but as a game, it can be a bit of a failure.

[@haph2087]

@@MrMelonsz It’s a sandbox, not a campaign. The lack of depth is a design choice, not a flaw.

[@xanderplayz3446]

I spend a couple days, give up and go to chunkbase.

[@MrBrineplays_]

I wasted so many days finding a swamp only to discover it is 5000 blocks away, searching the entire 10000 block radius range from my base felt so unnecessary.

[@v1perz534]

One of the best things they've done recently is the Azalea trees on top of lush caves. I've always thought this was so elegant because you can just be exploring, see an Azalea tree, and know that your exploration downward there will bear fruit if you're looking for lush caves. I want more of this for sure, in game stuff to kind of give me a general region to explore.

[@Garde538]

I am Indian

[@PRO100Dreik]

@@Garde538 do you require assistance?

[@hhff8534]

maybe something similar could be done with trail ruins and trial chambers. trial chambers are just random, trail ruins just have a few blocks sticking out which is impossible to spot in the dense forests they generate in

[@basic6735]

@@Garde538 I’m so sorry😞

[@flowdotboy]

​@@hhff8534 There are maps from cartogropher villagers you can get to find nearby trial chambers but it's pretty tedious

[@جمعانبنسويد]

9:46 That mechanic it's in the game actually 😅 surprisingly most of the players didn't know about it This a text from Minecraft wiki : "When dolphins are fed raw cod or raw salmon, they swim to the nearest shipwreck, buried treasure, or ocean ruins. Because they are locating the chest in the structures rather than the structures themselves, breaking the chests causes the dolphin to locate a new structure with intact chests. Dolphins also avoid guardians and elder guardians."

[@UnderscoreFyro]

I actually didn't realize it led to the chests itself. From what I knew of dolphins it only led to a shipwreck, and to the structure itself rather than said chests. Good to know!

[@benshulz4179]

except those are the three easiest structures to find in the game; They spawn underwater and so are never hidden behind terrain/treeline, and boat travel is fastest travel method without even costing hunger. It's a fun mechanic to find for sure, but it's more of an easter egg, as nothing in the game points towards it, unlike eyes of ender which is in the recipe book and has advancements related to it.

[@gamer__dud10]

😊❤😊❤😊🎉😊🎉😊❤❤ Truly truly i say to you all Jesus is the only one who can save you from eternal death. If you just put all your trust in Him, you will find eternal life. But, you may be ashamed by the World as He was. But don't worry, because the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand, and it's up to you to choose this world or That / Heaven or Hell. I say these things for it is written: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, *teaching them* to observe all that I have commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, even to the end of seasonal". Amen." -Jesus -Matthew 28:19-20

[@iSomeDood]

@@benshulz4179 "boat travel is the fastest travel method"

[@cross512]

@@iSomeDood well, boat travel is the fastest non-resource intensive travel method. Fastest in general, no. But definitely the cheapest for a really, REALLY fair speed.

[@lulhannes2362]

For me, using chunkbase feels weirdly nostalgic, it kind of reminds me of the time where you had this app on your phone for all the item crafting recipes and ID's. I specifically remember using it test out all the new cool fireworks they just added in a snapshot

[@evasiveupgrade]

Dam, there's a nice hit of nostalgia

[@strangegamerc]

Mumbo explains later in his episode that Xisumavoid gave him the coordinates to the savannah biomes.

[@lilrishitherapperofficial4299]

which episod

[@ME0WMERE]

@@lilrishitherapperofficial4299 take a wild guess

[@Murzac]

I find it kind of funny that he points out that the obvious upside to having so many players playing on the same map is that someone else probably already found what you need, but then when Mumbo is following coordinates to a location it doesn't occur to him that that might have been how he got the coordinates and not chunkbase lol

[@PlayJAKPlays]

when traveling great distances, I sometimes have F3 up, just to see how long I have traveled (and where to), has nothing to do with finding a specific coord unless I'm headed for my home coords, or the coords of one of my farms.

[@Lethal_Spoon]

did he find it or did he use chunkbase?

[@camcam_burger]

In Jeb's game design book, there's a page titled "finding things is fun, searching for them is not", so I'm glad the developers keep it in mind when designing new content. Personally I would love it if lodestones were used more in world - fortresses and bastions could contain compasses pointing to each other, referencing a past rivalry. And there could be compasses leading to structures in the nether that have a portal to an ancient city. So the way you find them is more mysterious than a map, but you will still eventually find them.

[@DIMM4_]

I just found the book, and in that section he refers to the woodland mansions and eyes of ender, two of the very few structures that actually have a way to find them. Kinda a weird slight of hand, but I guess the book is more about the best parts, rather than reflecting on what could be better But I mean he does say that exploring should be rewarding, and that they, "should also make sure that we give players a reasonable way of finding things." And that I definitely agree with. Reasonable is the perfect word for what I want, but it never crossed my mind when making this video.

[@DIMM4_]

i told you and now i deleted it

[@bukanIqbal375]

Your idea is genius. Praying that you got hired at Mojang🙏🙏

[@nicholasaugello2534]

I mean finding the Fortress to me is part of the challenge of conquering the Nether it wouldn't be nearly as Satisfying to get the victory over the Nether with a compass that points me in the exact right direction, I guess I would never have to do that but it's the fact that if people wanna progress FAST they'll always take the most easily accessible method to doing that and not engage themselves in the experience of hunting down a Bastion and a Nether fortress , I guess bartering with Piglins would be a fun way to get an item like that

[@WorthyYelIow]

It would be a good idea to add craft able lodestone compasses to point towards certain structures like ancient ruins or villages.

[@peterplayz7215]

the pain of going 700 blocks in the nether to not even find the fortress...

[@Keanine]

Only 700? I remember me and some friends searching for 15,000 blocks before we found one. Took us hours and we lost some people along the way

[@reecedeyoung6595]

​@@Keaniney'all know that fortresses spawn in consistent locations on Chunk borders. If it took you that long you are doing it wrong.

[@Keanine]

@@reecedeyoung6595 Definitely didn't at the time. We've always tried to play as vanilla as possible in that regard so we tried to avoid learning how the generation worked

[@andeeznation]

Uhh f3 will find the fortress. If you dont know this yet after all these years you should just stop playing

[@dementionalpotato]

@@andeeznationexplain how you find the fortress with f3

[@JarmezGD]

I think exploring is fun just in and of itself and it makes finding the structures and biomes more rewarding. The sense of a random world that you've never seen before and gradually finding things is one of the interesting things about the game. I've never found the need to use chunkbase because of this.

[@thetele8646]

Yeah when you play the game for over 10 years, and know how the structure generates, it ain't wonder anymore but the same thing. Maybe I'd agree with you if started playing a year ago or something.

[@miimiiandco]

​@thetele8646 It's the terrain that's interesting, especially since Caves and Cliffs.

[@MattTOB618]

I absolutely love just going around and exploring, watching my maps fill out as I discover more and more. Doesn't mean I won't use Chunkbase if I need to find something specific, though.

[@TheRussell747]

Ya he says he wishes there was a way to locate the necessary structures, but there basically already is. The end structure is the only hard-set essential one for beating the game, and pearls tell you where it is. You could say nether fortress is required also for blaze powder, but theyre pretty easy to find anyways.

[@SplarcieRS]

@@thetele8646 been playing since mojang had the free demo with the same cave over and over again, so like over 10 years also. I'd have to disagree with you 😂 Even on the consoles back in the day, seeing the MINECRAFT build in the sky on the preset world would inspire me to play. Then to FTB minecraft on PC. And now back to vanilla with all the updates! Games been great for 10+ years

[@NethanielShade]

Something I never see people bring up in this discussion is that we already have a specific, dedicated item for finding structures. Eyes of Ender. They’re pretty forgettable 99.9% of the time because their only purpose is to find a stronghold and light the portal. After that, they’re a useless item that you will never need again. Instead of adding new items or mechanics, mojang could just overhaul this existing item somehow. Maybe you could calibrate it to different structures by crafting it with an item (Eye + vine for jungle temple?) and it wouldn’t feel out of place at all.

[@teamacio9043]

At that point just do /locate

[@ultragamer8816]

Ender eyes are still useful for making ender chests

[@recurvestickerdragon]

​@@teamacio9043 The whole point is to do it diegetically within the game,

[@teamacio9043]

@@recurvestickerdragon It would remove the fun sense of discovery

[@AeyakS]

​@@teamacio9043but it's replaced by the thrill of invention and mastery over in-game systems???

[@Arora0.o]

I'm pretty sure someone just told mumbo where it was and gave him the coordinates so that's why he is looking at the coordinates

[@NathanHaaren]

I'm pretty sure Hermitcraft uses a map like chunkbase or a server map plugin. And i dont mind, they shouldnt waste hours looking for somethin, they are content creators and that already takes up enough of their time. worldedit however is something else, that defeats the survival purpose of the game

[@thatdelta]

@@NathanHaaren nah few people have operator access and i think /locate command is allowed if noone is able to find a biome after few hours of searching.

[@AutriBanerjee]

everyone has access to the seed tho so /locate isn't necessarily required

[@yaminoryuu9558]

no, they don't have access to the seed@@AutriBanerjee at least until some random seedcracker manages to get it, then they make it public anyways

[@Grem_MC]

All hermitcraft members have the seed it’s was only season 9 that the didn’t , so the generate a single player world with the seed to help plan Builds

[@Hutch2Much]

on my friends server, i really needed a cactus for green dye. so i went looking for a desert. for over 20k blocks. _in two different directions._ by the end, i really just wanted to use chunkbase, but the seed was hidden, so i couldn’t. something like a map for desert temples or a way to point me in the direction of a biome would’ve helped a lot i did manage to find that cactus though. _in an igloo._

[@gaminglord5558]

you can find cactus in an iglu? Is there a poted cactus or sm in the basement?

[@jasonreed7522]

​@@gaminglord5558probably, i don't normally spend a lot of time checking igloos since they normally don't have much in the way of loot. (Some of them are tutorials for villager curing and have the supplies for 1 cure and 2 villagers.)

[@childish4487]

they added a map for each village, including desert villages, in a recent snapshot. don't know when that'll be in base game though, it's apart of the villager trade re-balance so it could be 1.21 or 1.21.X by the time it's added. I'm just glad they're working on it at all honestly.

[@unit0023]

can’t you just use /seed? it’s available by default even with cheats disabled

[@Vercte]

@@unit0023 only in singleplayer/lan

[@thebluehero7319]

One of my favorite changes made in the Better Than Adventure mod is that when you're in a cave in a slime chunk little slime particles spawn randomly. I've found multiple slime chunks through this and it makes finding slime chunks a lot quicker and easier.

[@childish4487]

I think the problem is slime chunks themselves, having built many underground bases over the years having them spawn randomly is really really annoying. You can't even stop them by lighting the area. Having particle effects would only make that more annoying. They should have just added them to the lush cave spawn table honestly, perhaps they only spawn on moss blocks that way the player can choose to have them or not. They probably won't remove them outright though because that could affect older worlds. The major thing holding minecraft back right now is a lot of problems from when the game was smaller and thus these issues were less apparent. Mojang are in a situation where they can't really fix the issues they can only side step them.

[@ichimiustin8390]

Or quark's slime in a bucket

[@miimiiandco]

​@@childish4487 They could either not spawn in light or only spawn small slimes.

[@Jaydee-wd7wr]

@@childish4487, Yeah to be honest slime chunks should just be removed, especially with Oozing now they aren’t really necessary.

[@benshulz4179]

@@childish4487 they don't need to remove old slime chunks though, they could just change how new generation works as in, make slimes spawn in lush caves (good idea) and stop generating new slime chunks - nothing old breaks

[@jenconvertibles]

Vultures that high is actually criminal

[@AMSPROMineMaster]

I find slime chunks unintentionally all the time while using time to mine, so that time isn't totally wasted, it was used for a good purpose.

[@interlamer7480]

I once built this huge underground base. The only issue came from the facts that: A. The base was a little bit too deep. B. Several parts of it were in slime chunks. My god, was it annoying.

[@AMSPROMineMaster]

@@interlamer7480 Yup, i make my mineshafts pretty big mostly for the collection of stones and stuff. But the consequence is whole slime chunks being exposed and spawning slimes absolutely everywhere, I now think killing slimes is a waste of durability.

[@benshulz4179]

slime chunks shouldn't exist at all. Underground bases shouldn't be such a hassle. Wanted to just make a large clearing for mining equipment, smelters and stuff, and slimes spawned everywhere. And you can't even tell why slimes spawn without googling it. Great new user experience, mojang.

[@xnephysisthere]

​@interlamer7480 that's pretty cool l. If it was me I'd be inspired to just make that section of the base look like it was a closed off infested zone of the base, with sealed quarantine baracades in place

[@hexocsgd]

That kanye album rating has me more annoyed then the actual chunkbase problem

[@343MPulse]

Ong

[@lukecarroll19]

Tbf, there are like a thousand different ways to rank Kanye's discography and they'd all make sense. Peak music catalog.

[@jamsanator0511]

The fact he called TLOP mid is insane

[@jamsanator0511]

Who tf puts VULTURES over YEEZUS AND MBDTF???????

[@Jake-jl2ln]

YES that’s what I was thinking bro needs to retire from rating

[@austinmai356]

In Hermitcraft there is no rule except for playing minecraft in survival lol, so using Chunkbase or not is an option. Some Hermit find that more enjoyable, or they wanna try new things and challenges since playing a game for years could be boring.

[@caliperstorm8343]

They did ban sand duping, though, to docm77’s eternal annoyance.

[@TelsMaviston]

Most of the hermits decided to not use Chunkbase in the beginning, and they often do this in every season, but once the season gets established, they all use it. Not using it in the beginning of the season is fine, but after a certain point, you've "earned" the right to cheat.

[@Rooftopaccessorizer]

@@TelsMavistonexcept its not cheating

[@mistrdavid]

​@@Rooftopaccessorizeris using texture packs cheating? What about x-ray packs? Like it's still pack. What if chunk base would be able to locate diamonds. Would that be cheating. Everything is about point of view. If server decides that something is cheating then it's cheating.

[@Rooftopaccessorizer]

@@mistrdavid yea specific servers, there isnt any universally agreed upon form of cheating in a sandbox game. its entirely up to the players. personally i think diamonds are fairly worthless once you have a backup set of gear, i think its all about what you build. I honestly think its a bit silly when people are acting like the number of diamonds you have even matters.

[@zane49er51]

minecraft also really needs LODs (like the distant horizons mod) so that you can see things more than half a mile away. climbing a mountain or building a tower to scout from, then going to a place you can see, is able to cut down on a lot of the "pick a direction and walk"

[@xenird]

yeah playing with friends with DH rn and it's so much better than normal mc

[@rdr1973]

Story time. I had a world I could not find a nether fortress on. Eventualy I went to chunkbase. Because rng is a bitch. THE NEAREST NETHER FORTRESS WAS forty THoUSAND blocks away IN THE NETHER. Whoever added piglin fortressess that can randomly replace real nether fortresses fucked me in the ass. Loosing 20 coin-flips in a row is unlikely. But flck it fcked over my entire server

[@Ext7agum]

Holy shit that sucks DAMN

[@vlynst]

what the hell

[@darkfox_]

At 5:18 - I clicked on this video with that same “I’ve never heard of chunkbase, who’s using this” mindset cause I’d never heard of it before. But the moment you showed what it was, I realized “wait I used a downloaded mod equivalent of the site’s exact purpose years ago.” For the most part, I enjoy the exploration aspects of Minecraft, so I don’t mind looking for most biomes. But the biggest problem to me is that slime chunks ONLY exist in the seed’s map data. Like why gatekeep the spawn mechanic of a basic mob, just put it in the F3 menu or something instead of making us use an external tool.

[@benshulz4179]

putting anything in F3 doesn't fix the problem, though. a new player will be confused as hell when their mine has slime problem, and even more so when they make a new world and can't find slimes even underground. Removing slime chunks and replacing them with biome-specific spawns, like in lush caves, or in a new "slime cave" biome, would just make more sense.

[@Astrjd]

This is not a chunkbase problem, it’s a Minecraft problem

[@thelfensdrfer]

It’s the name of the problem. A video called „The Minecraft problem“ could be about anything.

[@olivoilZ._]

@@thelfensdrfertha vid is called the chunkbase problem

[@nickolas78gr24]

@@olivoilZ._ *Νot a problem with chunkbase

[@TradeSmartAus]

The chuck base problem, Meaning the problem of which includes chunckbase, if he means a problem with chunck base he would of said the problem with chunckbase,

[@duckified.]

it's a problem WITH minecraft that INVOLVES chunkbase

[@Lonely_Moth]

I've resorted to using Chunkbase ever since I got a fulltime job. I'm a creative builder shifting to survival, so I *must* know what structures are nearby and what biomes are where, so that I could plan properly and get what I need without spending the hours I don't have on senseless wandering. Good thing is that my neurodivergence makes me forget the map almost immediately, so I only have a vague memory of directions, and, in my case, Chunkbase doesn't spoil the fun =D

[@flambambam]

This is my mentality as well, as I am a full-time student. I strictly play single player with my only motivation being a desire to build crazy farms in my survival world, so I use every tool I have available to get things done in a timely manner. Quality of life mods like chestplate+elytra, instamine deepslate, an fps screen with more detail (which happens to display slime chunks), etc... all maintain the fun of the game without the expense of losing precious hours.

[@frkieran]

@@flambambaminstamine deepslate is pushing it

[@Tyore_0]

u just have shit memory,don't make it a disability thing lol

[@benshulz4179]

I really wish the generation was better, I just want a spawn near a village and two specific biomes. Only way to find that is to go mapbase and change numbers randomly. If mapbase can generate a basic outline of a seed in few milliseconds, I'd imagine the new world screen could do the same.

[@frkieran]

@@benshulz4179 why did I get notified of your comment?

[@six_eyesTV]

There should definitely be some in game way to see if somewhere is a slime chunk, perhaps slime particles appearing if the player is in the given chunk?

[@fleef69]

I use a mod called slimy floor that actually makes particles appear and slime sounds happen when the player walks in a slime chunk. Honestly think something like that should just be in the actual game. Maybe just the particles rather than particles + sounds.

[@anarchy6417]

Just use the minihud mod it shows slime chunks spawn chunks light levels and even chiller box previews. Honestly can’t play Minecraft without it anymore

[@six_eyesTV]

@@anarchy6417 well that's the thing, we shouldn't have to rely on such mods

[@marchtimed]

@@anarchy6417 this is literally just the chunkbase problem without the entire map in view

[@duckified.]

i have an idea: a block similar to glow lichen called a slime puddle. it drops one slimeball when broken, but most importantly, it has a small chance of spawning in slime chunks inside caves. i like your idea of having slime particles appear in slime chunks, but i thought that might get too annoying when you're constantly walking over the same chunk. there should be an in-game way to basically say "ok, now i know these chunks are slime chunks. i can get rid of the slime puddles and note the chunk down in a text document so i still know where to make my slime farm in the future without seeing slime every time i walk into it."

[@toucansfull]

I would love for the way to find a bastion without adventuring aimlessly to be that you can befriend a baby piglin and it will give you a way to get to the bastion like a compass. I love the idea of showing kindness to mobs rewarding you. Mojang sees something like villager farms or killing animals and seeks to make it impossible or worthless instead of encouraging another path. Give the player a choice. Yes, you could kill the sheep for one wool, but then you have only one wool and no more sheep. OR you could shear the sheep and get infinite wool and aren’t killing an animal, but it’s up to you. Wow. Crazy.

[@xenird]

bastion and fortress just go to Z=237 then increase or decrease the X z can be 237 plus or minus a multiple of 200 but 237 is where they're at

[@certifiednobody]

I’ve never had an issue finding a bastion. They pop up twice as often as villages in my exploration

[@benshulz4179]

@@certifiednobody the issue is when you have that one bad seed where bastion is impossible to find; You will waste hours, even more if you happen to die in the long expedition

[@loreleihillard5078]

0:12 ilmango made a peaceful-friendly slime ball farm using only pandas a while back, so yes i do believe that's a real method of getting slime balls

[@benshulz4179]

except you need to: find jungle biome find bamboo forest sub-biome find panda transport multiple pandas breed them for the slime panda and none of these steps are clearly laid out in-game and you had to find them online. So might as well went to mapbase and found a slime chunk.

[@loreleihillard5078]

@@benshulz4179 none of the steps for finding a slime chunk are laid out in game, neither are things like how to find elytra or how to trade with piglins. Doesn't mean they're not real ways of playing. The good thing about Minecraft is you can play however you want, and there's plenty of online resources to help you do that

[@guitaekm2]

And they are incredible slow

[@sandwichqueen]

Imagine finding an ancient city map within the end. Or bastions could have compasses to fortresses and vice versa. It would make traveling a lot easier while taking a bit of luck out of it. Which everyone would love.

[@childish4487]

well in one of the experimental snapshots they added biome maps to villager trades so it's definitely something they're working on. I personally think the ancient city is fine without anything, they almost always spawn under huge mountains and skulk biomes aren't hard to miss.The nether structuryou es are a massive problem though, even on high render distances it's hard to see through the fog. Perhaps sometimes maps could be found in ruined portals?

[@rooodis456]

Tbf ancient cities have been pretty consistent in their generation. If I see a crazy tall mountain, if I dug straight down around there I’ve always found an ancient city

[@benshulz4179]

@@childish4487 most skulk biomes don't have ancient cities, though. So you will be wasting lot of time because you have to first find a skulk biome, then find an ancient city inside of it. Also, nowhere in-game does it say big mountains have higher chance of producing ancient cities. This is like saying diamonds are easy to find because you can simply use the generation of clay.

[@Crappy9922]

I'd say it's more deductive reasoning and lateral thinking, it doesn't need to explicitly say in-game. When you find ancient cities, they are never cut off, they always generate completely. When finding more than one, the player will notice they almost always lie under gigantic mountains. Using those clues, you can accurately guess that ancient city structures generate extremely large and need a great enough space underground to increase the probability. Chances are the first time will always be a surprise (which is intended), and the next time is where you can use deduction.

[@aloysiuskurnia7643]

don't forget the classics whenever I got no access to internet: recreating your world seed in creative mode and use commands :^)

[@PlutoniumDG]

What I've also noticed during this video is that back in the day people used to explore for explorations sake. Nowadays there's always the goal of wanting a certain item, structure, biome, etc

[@lasercraft32]

Exploration for exploration _used_ to be fun, but since Minecraft has been around for so long and its a lot more well-known, there's no longer a sense of wonder. Its not the game's fault, its simply the fact that we know everything that's in the game, so there's no surprise when you find a new structure.

[@PlutoniumDG]

@@lasercraft32 yeah you're right, finding structures is kinda boring these days. I was stuck on Minecraft version 1.5.2 for years (because of mods) and later updated to 1.9. After not updating and also not really playing much for a few years exploration became really fun again when I updated to 1.15.2. Now structures are mostly boring again but I'm still amazed by some of the terrain generation especially when it is kinda broken

[@poedack]

​@@lasercraft32precisely. I just played modded minecraft for the first time yesterday with my buddy. I'm not actively seeking anything, I'm having fun just exploring with him in the biome stuff we added.

[@ultimatumdweebium2965]

What if people didn't spoil the features contained in new updates and we just explored to find them?

[@TheGreenPig321]

I agree, if I’m going to explore it’s because I wanna see something cool

[@agentzapdos4960]

I like that the villagers have a chance to keep their parents' biome. It makes my city look like a lively, multicultural place.

[@decract]

9:55 I like this idea, it makes wandering trader less useless. And it also make sense too, assuming wandering trader are explorer.

[@luthfihar3211]

Grian just trying to get back to basics, he's been adamant that he wanted to actually have fun and taking it slow this season hermitcraft does use it from time to time only since season 7 chunkbase was used less to make it a bit more interesting

[@cmonbruh637]

1:21 putting vultures above MBDTF is fucking crazy

[@fishyfox37]

EXACTLT

[@shomejuan2179]

For Mumbo magically finding the savanna my guess is that he got desperate and asked Doc cuz iirc Doc does the preseason chunk loading

[@Extramrdo]

Doc actually reverse engineers the seed using the way some structures spawn. Like, on a multiplayer server, you can download a mod that reads in structures near you, and after collecting enough you can use that to calculate the seed. Best way is to boat around an ocean and find like 8 monuments or shipwrecks. nah actually Doc's *fanbase* reverse engineered the seed using incidental footage he took while looking for a 1-high bedrock in the nether ceiling, because having the coordinates and how a small section of bedrock spawns is enough, because the hivemind is wild. (For season 9, when Xisuma explicitly said in the leadup he wasn't going to release the seed so the hermits can still have a few surprises).

[@myrinsk]

the mod is called “seedfinder” for anyone interested

[@jasonreed7522]

​@@Extramrdoeverything in world gen is based on the seed, if we have the formulas and the output we can run it backwards and determine the seed. What's wild is that a 5x5 of 1 layer of bedrock with the coords is enough to do so. (I saw a video explaining it once) I was even more surprised that i knew something about technical Minecraft before Doc knew. (Thanks KZbin algorithm) Season 9 was all about having a blind seed, and some good came of it, but it also clearly showcases the chunk base problem. It is simply so impractical to find certain essential things without throwing the seed into chunkbase. Some of these items are easier to find now, like slimechunks in the massive caves, but overall too many biomes can only be found by aimlessly wandering until you stumble upon them, with no guarantee of them even existing close to spawn. (Close being a 1000 block radius or the 3x3 of zoom 3 maps everyone loves to make)

[@benshulz4179]

@@jasonreed7522 Migratory birds that travel from biome to biome would be great way to solve this, really. Think of a duck mob that you either see floating near shores, or flying towards and between the jungle and taiga. So you always know where closest taiga & jungle is just by following the migratory paths that fly above you every now and then

[@Torterramain789]

This topic must be brought up the highest of Minecraft courts. I believe this issue alone is why Minecraft is notorious for the “2 week” meme. The game hasnt gotten boring, it has gotten exponentially more sophisticated, complex, anddd larger. There must be more reward for exploring and continuous progression. (Progression in the form of gameplay not fucking items)

[@Greesher]

Yeah frfr

[@jucabnubster]

Potion of oozing solves the need for chunkbase for slimes

[@Lyokoheros-KLPXTV]

You first have to get 9 slimeballs though. And they are not appearing in ANY chest loot.

[@benshulz4179]

having to find nether fortress just for slimes? That's going overkill. Potion of oozing is also not available to you unless you go to online wiki and happen to read about it, so it's equally gatekept as mapbase.

[@jucabnubster]

@@benshulz4179 fair, this was on the assumption people watch the update vids

[@ultragamer8816]

@@benshulz4179most players will have a brewing stand in their world regardless and will have already gone to a fortress. It wouldn’t be just for slimeballs

[@benshulz4179]

@@ultragamer8816 yes, but having to open a wiki to make the potion is equally stupid as going to online website to find your slime chunks, so the problem isn't solved

[@wharhast1920]

Hermitcraft Players are free to play as they want, many times in conflicting playstyles. it usually depends on players and situations

[@austinmai356]

Ye I kinda dont like his tone :))

[@browserjunior4707]

Considering the existence of Lodestones now, they can probably make it so that Compasses can point to a structure that has a lodestone in it, I can see Shipwrecks pointing to potential abandoned villages or possibly Ancient Cities

[@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257]

7:37 GUYS HE SAID IT, A STRANGE CASE TO HIM

[@cobalttheprotogen312]

But what makes the case strange? Does it hold more than is expected?

[@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257]

@@cobalttheprotogen312 Maybe it holds an unusual hat

[@cobalttheprotogen312]

@@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257 or what about a strange pair of pants?

[@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257]

@@cobalttheprotogen312 Hmmm how about both qualities at the same time. Btw tf2?

[@melontrash4085]

Villager re-skins in Minecraft have always seemed like a strange case to me.

[@NorskNoobing]

I usually use chunkbase for end cities, trail ruins, and deep dark biomes, because they can't be found in any "legit way". I haven't really though about the difficulty of finding specific biomes, because I just do that exploration part when I've gotten an elytra🤷‍♂️

[@NelsonTheAwesome]

I think the villager rebalance changes bringing in maps that lead you to specific biomes or structures is a step in the right direction, I think they should keep that idea going further to include maps for finding cave biomes or even a special craftable map that lets you see biomes just like chunkbase or at least a slime chunk map idk

[@masterofthecontinuum]

11:49 this is a terrible idea. You would have to travel to multiple far off villages just to get more of that type. Whereas if you bring them to your base, you only need to bring one of each and can have an infinite supply of every villager type, and access to every book.

[@Klinbee]

Agree, making it 50/50 is a good solution because it's the best of both worlds, gives you more flexibility, and at the worst it's a 50/50.

[@Dragonofshame]

I think the solution is making randomly spawned zombie villagers keep their outfit when cured, and make sure that all villager types can spawn as zombies. Find a swamp zombie villager, cure it, then you have that villager's "genetics" to make more

[@mzntori]

@@Dragonofshame pretty sure thats already the case, at least if you heal it in biome it spawned in, but its kinda hard to move zombies over longdistances anyways so you would heal it on the spot anyways

[@Thallez_]

Yeah he has absolutely no idea how genetics work lol, but then again the video leans too much towards complaining about having to explore, which is honestly a problem of its own at this point since so many people seem to suffer with that. Other than slime chunks which indeed are absolutely awful to find, this mindset of "I need a guaranteed reward to explore otherwise exploring is not worth it" is something people have been putting themselves through nowadays. Just enjoy the game, go out there, explore, fight your way through the night because you forgot you needed to kill those sheep to make a bed earlier, appreciate all the different landscapes, let the music drive you forward, let yourself disconnect from reality a bit and just do whatever you want. Play for fun, not for the grind of needing to play for the progression and convincing yourself that if there isnt an objective reward you shouldn't explore the world, that you need to build a big farm for everything. I'm not saying a sense of progression is bad either or denying how annoying it is when you're building something and want a different kind of wood that you haven't yet acquired, especially when you get unlucky and don't find the biome so easily, but he even mentioned that we're soon getting maps to lead us to biomes so he acknowledges Mojang is already adressing the issue anyways. When we stop thinking so much about the next item we need and just enjoy our time through the world, one biome at a time until we get where we want, it gets much more enjoyable.

[@Rieper.]

that's the point of the change, to make it so that you can't just get to end game gear in 30 minutes after you make a breeder. It actually creates a progression curve that minecraft currently lacks (well a difficult progression curve i should say)

[@lorddreagus7253]

I think it would be neat if slimeballs got an animated texture when you entered a slime chunk. As you enter the chunk, it could start squirming or twitching, as if the proximity to its origin awakens it slightly.

[@BreadButAverage]

6:50 some of them use it at least, "Grain" might not either for comedic effect or "morals". Either way, when they are in need of a slime chunk, historically chunk base is coming out (I'm pretty sure)

[@Rikaisan]

I'm glad this got better in 1.21 with trial chambers Get a map to a trial chamber and get either a slime spawner or drink ominous bottle to have a chance to make mobs get oozing and therefore spawn slimes. After getting your first 9 slimeballs, brew oozing potions and make a slime farm anywhere in the world!

[@benshulz4179]

if you're willing to go this far online (none of what you said is explained in-game) to research a way to get slimes, might was well go to mapbase and find a slime chunk. You didn't solve the core issue.

[@Rikaisan]

@@benshulz4179 Hmmm? Who said it was fixed/solved?

[@benshulz4179]

@@Rikaisan you

[@Rikaisan]

@@benshulz4179 Where?

[@benshulz4179]

@@Rikaisan a comment

[@Soabac]

another thing ive seen in a mod is adding taverns in random places where you can find maps that lead you to special structures in them. i like that idea, although id feel like it'd add to the current problem in minecraft which is: its getting so populated minecraft used to have a nice lonely vibe but nowadays, even if you do your absolute best to be a hermit, theres gonna be pillagers and wandering traders coming over to see you my ideas for solutions would be: -make villages have more chances to spawn around the world spawn, but have them have less chance of spawning in general -make wandering traders only able to spawn near you if you have set up a specific thing for them (like how in terraria you need to create housing for traders for them to come in) -have pillager patrols only come to see you if you are in a specific area around a pillager outpost

[@hewhomustnotbenamed5912]

They should add biome maps in chests and villager trades. This would be an organic way to solve the issue.

[@childish4487]

they are gonna do that actually! it's part of the villager trade re-balance in the recent snapshots

[@hewhomustnotbenamed5912]

@@childish4487 nice.

[@Random-user22]

@@hewhomustnotbenamed5912 they need more structure maps too

[@alantaylor2694]

I used CB to get a slime chunk and I use it to find the new biomes and stuff. 5000 blocks for a cherry blosum tree. Honestly I think it's an invaluable tool as it saves sooo much time wandering about.

[@jasonreed7522]

Which is the problem the video is describing, there is no ingame equivalent to speed up the process. (Technically you can run the locate command, but thats also cheating) For so many items, if you explicitly want it your best option is to pick a direction and start walking/flying and hope you stumble across it. (In a relatively unsatisfying search, amd not a joyful spontaneous discovery. Admittedly accidentally finding an ancient city under your base may not bring joy.)

[@SohamGoHome]

bro i once tried to find a sunflower plains biome for farming yellow dye but idk why i was not able to find any despite flying for thousands of blocks near my base. i looked up on chunkbase and found a very small patch about 9000 blocks from my base. now imagine randomly finding the really small patch on your own. absolutely painful. i considered going to creative and getting just one sunflower but i was like yk what chunkbase is still better than creative

[@gijskramer1702]

I walked 20000 blocks looking for a mesa only to find out a mesa was 1000 blocks away from spawn in the other direction...

[@jasonreed7522]

​@@gijskramer1702chunkbase doesn't just save time, it lets you keep your world file size small. Very important for console players who can't trim their worlds, and when large world sizes cause all sorts of problems include lag and crashes. (There is a reason Xisuma regularly prunes the outer chunks of hermitcraft, and many other servers have a similar practices. It also helps them have nice stuff closer in to save time, but the lag factor is definitely there.)

[@brassman7599]

In reference to Mumbo, Using the F3 screen does not mean you're using Chunkbase. The F3 screen tells you which direction you're facing so that you can be sure you're continuously heading the direction you want to go instead of stumbling around randomly or going in a circle. I use F3 often, for this very purpose, as well as to find my way home or mark interesting locations without ever going to Chunkbase.

[@thehammmann]

was not expecting the Great Blue reference

[@tessaN64]

nahh cuz that kanye tierlist was upsidedown

[@dunkinduu]

literally craziest tierlist ive ever seen

[@kranonetwork]

6:27 It's also a technique for keeping track of where you are so you can get back, some people just work better with numbers. He might be using it but this is far from evidence of mumbo using chunkbase.

[@tirisiclaudiu7672]

I for one just /locate biome whenever I try to find anything. To be honest I don't see this as a problem, because I mostly dislike this sort of exploration, no matter how its done. In modded there's a compass thingy that can point you to whatever you wanna find, but I'd still rather /locate and get it over with

[@sweetseremine]

12:50 its so funny that this video went to the most popular video on your channel by 6x

[@thehansboi]

"the cartographer in minecraft has always seemed like a strange case to me" i did not expect great blue to show up in this video

[@6ProUp4]

Actually, in 1.21 cartographers will sell maps to swamps and jungles, making those biomes way easier to find without chunkbase!

[@tenseravingcreeper]

He…said that in the video

[@ThisIsTopTier]

@@tenseravingcreeper when

[@Maxidos]

@@ThisIsTopTierfor like half of the video

[@joescraft123]

@@ThisIsTopTierhere: 7:33

[@LightningfoxxyMC]

Watch the whole video first bud

[@donalvarito3165]

"It's innefficient". Well, exploration isn't supposed to be efficient. I personally don't have a problem with looking for things.

[@OgDenTheFail]

Hard disagree on making it so a villager's type is always determined by the biome they are in. I'd prefer not to have to travel to their specific biomes every time I want a new villager of that type, especially if that biome were far away. The way it is now, you can bring villagers of different biomes to your base and have a source close to home in the form of 50% effective breeders, which trumps the alternative imo

[@dominicanball2361]

I completely understand why people end up giving up and using chunkbase, but for me, there is something about exploring the Minecraft world, that I love, which makes that no matter how much time does it last, I don't give up. Getting the Adventuring Time achivement without chunkbase has to be one of my biggest achivements in Minecraft.

[@doslukas4033]

bro vultures above yeezus is crazy

[@benvictim]

There needs to be like, more structures in-between A and B. So going to find a swamp 10000 blocks away, you can find interesting things along the way. Then in those structures should have maps or a special compass that points to another more rare / secret structure.

[@zurqzedits5895]

Bro did not just call The Life of Pablo "mid"

[@Wongel_mit_Hut]

I used it to find the netherite upgrade. Normally I like to explore the world on my own but traveling in the nether is a pain in the butt.

[@toasty9670]

this is a collective attention span problem.

[@brevortofficial]

Don't even get me started on Modded/datapack stuff, Minecraft severely needs a built in way to do things like this

[@muffingod2269]

The real problem is that Kanye tierlist

[@buffpowerlifter97]

For real, he must be baiting

[@miksonekToGrubas]

12:32 people mostly search "minecraft seed map" instead of chunk base cuz they heard of it somewhere most likely

[@nelleriver5359]

boats being leashable has made villagers so much easier to transport so im a lot more excited for the villager rebalance

[@abbiebuit]

Ive had worlds where the nearest desert biome was 6000 blocks away, thats just not possible to find legit

[@meox_]

part of the beauty of minecraft is that you have to actually look for things. spending time to find something rare makes finding it more rewarding

[@ETXAlienRobot201]

spending hours upon hours, traveling for thousands of blocks, just makes the process of finding tedious and will quickly elliminate the fun factor. wandering aimlessly hoping to randomly find what you're looking for does not feel rewarding, it feels like a chore. whatever reward for finding something cool or useful is easily negated by the frustration of not finding the one thing you were looking for and desparately need. this video makes an excellent example with slime. there's a wide array of machines/farms you just cannot build without slime. so for what reason should finding it be so difficult? again, this ruins the gameplay experience. you can have all the other blocks/items you need for a project, and that one key item/block you either cannot find or cannot obtain will sour the mood. "there's a greater sense of reward!" is the same logic for "one block at a time". there are next to no methods to cause any sort of change to multiple blocks at once. and contrary to what jeb may believe, this is actually not fun at all when dealing with larger projects. hence why nearly every single technical mod or datapack has at least one method of modifying multiple blocks at once. players actually *don't* enjoy the other way. it's one thing to spend time, it's another to sqaunder it. and no small amount of minecraft's current gameplay loop and design cause/encourage flat-out wasting time.

[@owenbridgers]

@@ETXAlienRobot201I genuinely don’t have this problem with Minecraft honestly. I love just walking around for hours, It feels nice because I HAVE the time to do that, I understand if someone has a busy schedule and can’t do that but because I have free time a lot, it doesn’t feel like a waste of time for me

[@benshulz4179]

@@owenbridgers . I'm utterly confused by this. you could walk aimlessly in a better game. Adding sense to slime chunks, adding way to actually find biomes, these won't ruin your aimless walking in any way.

[@ukyoize]

​@@benshulz4179The longer you search for something, the better finding it feels. You also build intermideate bases, tieing in one of core minecraft features back in.

[@benshulz4179]

@@ukyoize sure, but walking is already inefficient compared to flying with elytra, so you could just not use the biome finding features same as you dont want to use elytra

[@eolannhynes8193]

i dont use chunkbase until i find my first elytra, everything up until that feels like part of the game's "storyline", after that it becomes a waist of time

[@notxenogenisis4336]

a waist of time? wow, that must be a pretty big watch if it fits around your torso!

[@Connor-u3h]

Vultures 1 being above MBDTF, YEESUZ and TLOP is the most obvious rage bait of all time (bro is not tricking anyone) 💀

[@yayayayayaya8140]

vultures above pablo is deranged

[@ikraemer]

Fr... whole tier list is fuckeddddd. Ye above yeezus and mbdtf.......

[@Tocaric2]

"Chunkbase has always seemed like a strange case to me. On one hand, spending hours searching for a biome is frustrating. But on the other, using Chunkbase feels like cheating." - Great Blue

[@blahthebiste7924]

Can anyone think of a single reason slime chunks should even be a thing? Why can't slimes just be a (rare) normal mob, like Endermen?

[@Evan-qe4vr]

What is that Kanye tier list?!

[@brianhuang666]

Hot garbage 🗑️

[@CreativelyJake]

i think explorer maps may help some people, but i honestly think a real neat idea would be to make... less things exclusive to just one place. why should resources be "this is only found here, and also is only really used for this" also, i think if sniffers could Sniff and Sense ancient structures, it'd be cool

[@legathar8558]

nooo that'd require Mojang to give mob vote mobs actual uses outside of causing online flame wars!

[@CreativelyJake]

@@legathar8558 to be fair, not everything needs to be "useful" i think the mob votes arent perfect, but i think its... partially out of. mojang trying to appease people who only ever ask for "muh useful" whatever that means in the context of *minecraft* of all games i dont agree with how they treat mobs from votes, but i dont agree with bashing on the time put into the mobs either

[@Andrewtr6]

Hermits do occasionally use Chunkbase. I was watching Welsnight (I think) and he mentioned using Chunkbase to find a slime chunk. I do think it's up to the individual hermits if they want to use it or not. Finding slime chunks is the biggest problem IMO. Even with Chunkbase, I can never find them. I swear I've cleared out multiple but don't get any slime spawns. A simple solution would be to add a new cave type that spawns slimes. However, I'd probably just make the swamp slime farm since it's more efficient.

[@nvfury13]

6:51 They might also have the Nature’s Compass mod installed, which also gives you coordinates to the biome of your choice.

[@Mateuszundev]

MBDTF IS NOT MID

[@the_one_pufferfish6716]

6:00 this point is moot and you using it out of context is stupid. It clearly says in the video he got the other savanna from I think it was xisuma who gave him the coordinates

[@DarkSoulsWeed]

imagine putting vultures above mbdtf, yeezus, and TLOP

[@dantetbf]

I was watching this video thinking you have at least 300k subs, what an incredible video, hope you get to that point one day where your channel explodes

[@alexreid3566]

I really like the idea of the maps to find different structures as it gives villagers a use outside of farming emeralds for books and makes the game feel less grindy

[@lostinfire38]

mincecraft 3:08

[@blueSMOX]

Had to rewind to know if I read that right 😂

[@charlieshreddingthestrings6816]

Very well put together video, loved the style and the sprinkling of comedy. Best of all, I learnt something, so thank you! I’ve been a chunk base user since 1.16, but every now and then I’ll play a world without it to enjoy the game as intended

[@BogumiłaSracz]

Your videos are of really nice quality, despite some bias (that is of course, most welcome in video essays). I wish you became bigger youtuber.

[@WackyEncapsulatedFruitCup]

They need to add a "Scrying Table." It could work relative to using levels like the Enchanting Table. Maybe you need some resource like it as well. And then it could spit out a relative coordinate, maybe within 100-200 blocks. It could maybe stay in the Scrying crystal until it is used again. You could write it down in a book and then use the table again.

[@dan_the_swag_man6937]

I really like the Idea of having to find or buy a map to get to things like trial chambers or woodland mansions but the effort requirrd to get those maps is just so much more than the reward from the structures.

[@Fm7b5_]

I love the weapon reskins reference lmao

[@ExplosionsCentral]

I agree with most parts of this video, but I personally really enjoy searching for deep dark biomes! the fact that a good portion of large mountains have them beneath is really cool, and hunting for them makes me feel like an adventurer

[@BenCarnage]

I use chunkbase, but I don't feel it is very cheaty. If you play without using seed info my tip is to use a boat to scout many biomes much quicker. I have an elytra now, so I can scout even faster. For very rare things like woodland mansions I can buy a map. I think the main situation where I use chunkbase for a bigger advantage than I could easily get with just a little time investment is when looking for very specific things like adjacent biomes in the nether (soul sand valley to reduce spawn rates outside my desired farm location) or specific underground things. If you want to find slime chunks naturally I suggest starting a mine if you find a mushroom island since it will heavily reduce spawning since most possible areas will be mushroom biome (no hostile mobs) or ocean (only drowned). I use mushroom islands a lot when making overworld mob farms. I have reasonable luck finding them when boating around checking for other biomes. Swamps aren't that rare and swamp based farms are pretty easy to make. Even without building a farm just making spawn conditions favorable will get you enough slime for anything that isn't ''slimestone''. Now with potions of oozing you can make a slime farm anywhere, but I'd say the larger point of the video is still fair. It more or less also applies to any game where using external information is extremely helpful. A lot of fantastic games are played with wiki tabs open. It isn't great, but it also isn't that terrible. Maybe they could add more maps to the cartographer to indicate more structures as well as indicating biomes. I think most players will still just use chunkbase if they have the option because of how much information you can get that way. Minecraft takes a lot of time as is, and finding more ideal locations to build settlements, if you want a witch hut, ocean monument or whatever, I think it is quite reasonable to not build extra bases or live as a nomad until you find what you are looking for. I took it to the next extreme and deliberately found a seed with an end portal just outside of the spawn chunks (One of the 1.19 releases before they changed how they are dispersed). Not because I need it, but because it is fun and I can more easily build some interesting interdimensional stuff.

[@Greesher]

Damn that’s smart, that bit about the end portal being right by the spawn chunk.

[@crackedname3409]

To the Hermitcraft thing: firstly, I don‘t know if they use it or not, but just because he is looking at coordinates does not imply that he definitely is using chunkbase. As you said, Grian walked 10k Blocks in one direction, and that means, that he himself might have stumbled across that exact biome, and you don‘t know if Mumbo asked some other Hermits if they have found one, and someone gave him coordinates that they then may have found.

[@tonyyoung1991]

i found that slime will spawn in the deep undeground cave it can spawn quite a lot but those gigantic cave system is really pain in the ass to completely light up tho🙄

[@figyote]

Trial chambers are a good source of slimeballs, at least some of them. And the new slimy potion is a great way to get loads of slimeballs

[@IVIaskerade]

The ideal thing for Minecraft would be a craftable 'Jack Sparrow' compass that points towards the general area of the thing you want. It would maintain the balance of exploration vs ease because you'd still have to dig for or actually locate the resource yourself once you're in the area, but it would take away the hassle of scouring a biome only to find none of it spawned, or running for half an hour only to find no sign of the biome you wanted.

[@squiddler7731]

There already is a command in-game to locate biomes and structures, kinda surprised that never came up. It was actually just considered "cheating" up until recently, but it's still an in-game option that could be applied to some survival friendly feature.

[@armod801]

lucky us now we have a new slime farm that can be built into any bass thanks to the new potions

[@E_T_31]

11:15 The thing about villagers having a chance to become their parent's biome variant instead of the one they were born in is actually very useful: It means that you can set up a villager breeder for all biome variants in one singular location :)