The Church Father Protestants fear most . . .

Find out which Church father prominent Protestants decried as a forgery because they sounded “too Catholic.”

[@peterdrysdale2602]

As a protestant approaching my 70th year (and nearly 50 years as a follower of Christ) I have been recently struck by the power of the arguments for the Catholic doctrines - Bishop Barron and Pints with Aquinas and now "The Council of Trent" ... I am at the point where I feel compelled to take the step to embracing the Catholic faith - especially since I have been convinced of the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist... Thank you for this video in demonstrating that the dogmas of the Roman Catholicism have their roots in the earliest Church fathers ... and of course to Christ himself. Bless you for that.

[@lucaslira5807]

Praying for you

[@meateatingparrot8139]

You are in my prayers 🙏

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

God bless brother. ❤✝️

[@Rolando_Cueva]

Before you do that, remember that the Bible never says that the Virgin Mary never sinned and that she remained a virgin her whole life. Not even once. Enjoy the liturgy but don't accept dogmas without biblical basis.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

@Rolando_Cueva The Bible never says there's a Trinity. The Bible never says read the Bible. "Don't accept dogmas without Biblical basis."

[@thesweuteen]

As a convert, Ignatius of Antioch's writings influenced me so much that I left Protestantism and became Catholic. Ignatius is my patron saint. Absolutely love him.

[@ambeintsounds540]

Please study the book of Acts Catholic isn't the way Jesus is the way Prayer and reading the bible is where the truth is Seek the face of God in fasting desperately calling His holy name Jesus. When you get a chance read this book "Unseen hunds" by Nona Freeman

[@brian94954]

I wouldn’t read a book by an anti-trinitarian female heretic, honestly.

[@jamesmonahan9408]

@@ambeintsounds540 One True Holy and apostolic church found by Jesus Crhrist on Peter. Christian church is the Catholic church

[@clouddrifter650]

Another pagan fairytale, Who's this Ignatius of Antioch?

[@jamesmonahan9408]

@@clouddrifter650 someone much smarter than you.

[@vadinandez]

Please pray the Rosary for me. My husband is very opposed, and I am Catholic in secret. I was baptized as a baby, so I really have been Catholic, but now my beliefs align. Pray for us, please!

[@stever4181]

Your husband is the head of your relationship and you are keeping secrets from him. That destroys his trust in you. You are trying to usurp his authority. Why are you not listening to your husband? Perhaps you and your husband need to study the Bible together to see and know God through Jesus.

[@HenryKissinger-l7q]

@@stever4181and through his Church

[@kvin949]

​@@stever4181 how is your response to this lady a loving, Christlike response? Take your authority issues away.

[@stever4181]

@ Did I say something that is NOT Biblical? Perhaps you are not familiar with what scriptures say. 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God." Ephesians 5:24 "Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything." Keeping secrets: Ephesians 4:25: “Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body.” This verse emphasizes the importance of honesty in relationships, which is applicable to marriage.

[@ivomaltine1327]

He is right, try to talk about it with your husband to find a solution. Keeping it a secret won't help. But if your husband doesn't want to change churches, let it be. Submit to his will. Keep praying.

[@CK-ub7jf]

Ignatius played a key role in my conversion to Catholicism. When I fìrst read his letters, I was so astonished by them that I was convinced that the reformers had never read them.

[@tralfazruk1]

You never were anything but lost.

[@viviennedunbar3374]

This is a meaningless comment.

[@tralfazruk1]

@@viviennedunbar3374 Which one is that?

[@joecastillo8798]

@C K You were definitely guided by the Holy Spirit, a disciple of Peter and John. His letters are profound and inspiring. God bless my friend.

[@tralfazruk1]

@@joecastillo8798 Trent is a biblical hack shill for the monster that is Rome. Killer of innocents,molesters of children and truly not of God. Rome will soon be thrust into power briefly and burned with fire by her suitors.

[@HaroldTheSloth]

I had left the Catholic Church in my teens due to some Protestant influences in my life and a lack of understanding of Catholic teachings. Reading St. Ignatius got me on the journey back to an Apostolic tradition, and I've been attending Orthodox churches as I rediscover the richness of the ancient Christian faiths.

[@capybarafan1238]

Orthodoxy is false

[@ironsword3611]

@@capybarafan1238 Nice argument. Can you tell which “church” I devote myself to by the following claim? Jesus is Lord. Tell me please. Am I Protestant? Am I Catholic? Or Am I Orthodox?

[@matiasgamalieltolmosuarez790]

@Christos Kyrios totally right, and reading Ignatius we can see that transubstantiation was totally not believed by Ignatius, maybe either literal presence or spiritual presence, but not transubstantiation. Ignatius (Letter to the Romans, Chapter 7): I take no pleasure in corruptible food or the pleasures of this life. I want the bread of God, which is the flesh of Christ who is of the seed of David; and for drink I want his blood, which is incorruptible love. Ignatius (Letter to the Trallians, Chapter 8): You, therefore, must arm yourselves with gentleness and regain your strength in faith (which is the flesh of the Lord) and in love (which is the blood of Jesus Christ). I don't see any romanist trying to demonstrate the subtantial change of love in blood or faith in flesh hshshs. And we would like to bither romanist, we could say that they are wrong even showing how Ignatius put the FAITH equal to the BODY of christ. And he don't put works as blood hshshs oops romanist have a problem🤦🏻‍♂️🤣

[@roseg1333]

@@matiasgamalieltolmosuarez790 Transubstantiation is literally what he is talking about. The bread and blood of Christ? That is literally what he is talking about

[@roseg1333]

@Christos Kyrios interesting how you zeroed in on medieval papacy only 🤔

[@TheChunkyCrusader]

St. Ignatius of Antioch was a disciple of one of the apostles, so it would be impossible for him to pick up "traditions of men" from the apostles EDIT: For everyone in the comments,, it has been 3 years since I wrote this. My choice of words is bad, but given the perseverance of the Church I would still hold that it would be extremely improbable that Ignatius would have continued the bad traditions of men.

[@alphabeta8284]

Protestants grasping at straws.

[@TheChunkyCrusader]

@@alphabeta8284 agree

[@IpCrackle]

People misunderstand that quote from St. Irenaeus. He is not literally saying Jesus lives to be 50

[@mx_moi1964]

@@IpCrackle so what is he trying to say? Genuinely asking

[@joecastillo8798]

@Pedro Lourenço Pedro, When you were catholic? My friend, becoming part of division is not the will of God. Jesus founded just one Church, the Catholic Church. Remember, adopting the unbiblical doctrine made up by Martin Luther, contradicts the promises made by Jesus, who is God, to be with His Church until the end of times and that nothing will be able to destroy it. Who must we believe? I say, we must believe God! Jesus founded JUST ONE CHURCH, the Catholic Church. The word Catholic originates from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos), meaning "universal" or "everywhere". Not thousands of divided churches and sects around the world. Jesus tells you exactly how many churches are to be, in: JOHN 17:20-23 20. “I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word, 21. that THEY MAY ALL BE ONE; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22. The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that THEY MAY BE ONE even AS WE ARE ONE, 23. I in them and thou in me, that they may BECOME PERFECTLY ONE, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me. ●THE TRUTH CAN ONLY BE ONE. JOHN 16:13 13. When the SPIRIT of TRUTH comes, He WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL THE TRUTH; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. Furthermore, St. Paul does not even mention Scriptures as the foundation of truth for all Christians. This is what he, inspired by the Holy Spirit, clearly teaches: 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is THE CHURCH of the living God, THE PILLAR and FOUNDATION OF THE TRUTH. May God bless your discernment.

[@theDUKE25-yt]

Ignatius was the second Apostolic Father I read (after Clement). I fell in love right away and began to see the historical foundation of the Church. I was baptized and confirmed this last Easter Vigil. My patron saint/confirmation name I chose was St. Ignatius of Antioch. Such a great saint

[@lukasg9031]

you can choose your patron saint?

[@theDUKE25-yt]

@@lukasg9031 well, really it’s called a confirmation name, but it can show a relationship with the saint, like a patron saint. But, yes, patron saints are more career focused. So it may not be completely right to call him my patron saint

[@lukasg9031]

@@theDUKE25-yt interesting because I thought the day you were born on will be your patron saint.

[@theDUKE25-yt]

@@lukasg9031 That too

[@ramirladao1379]

Wow! Wonderful

[@tbhamdg]

St. Ignatius was key in my conversion from Southern Baptist to Catholic.

[@quiricomazarin476]

He was the boy on Christ's lap during his discourse at caphaernum. Christ told him future...he was one of the disciples.

[@sammygomes7381]

@@quiricomazarin476 Right, and Mary was sinless.

[@quiricomazarin476]

@@sammygomes7381 yes 100% Mary was sinless.

[@sammygomes7381]

@@quiricomazarin476 That is a lie from the pit of hell. Mary like all of us was with sin, had other children, was not assumed into heaven and is not a queen

[@quiricomazarin476]

@@sammygomes7381 OH look.another brainwashed heretic protestant who will stand before Christ & be judged by blaspheming his Mother & calling Christ himself a sinner. Luckily we Catholics made the Bible which refutes protestant man made false traditions & beliefs ...sad they will go to hell for promoting a false gospel & spreading lies of their father from below.

[@ChachiTelevision1979]

He's the Church Father that sealed the deal for me to become a Catholic back in 2013.

[@leonardobeneventi8836]

@Eucharist Angel blasphemy.

[@leonardobeneventi8836]

@Eucharist Angel Why so? are you Christ?

[@ChachiTelevision1979]

@Eucharist Angel Your reply to me was no less worthless. No explanation for how I’m deluded.

[@ChachiTelevision1979]

@Eucharist Angel I’ve seen a million links. With all due respect, I’m not reading more articles in which I’m sure I’ve given months of research. Conversion didn’t happen overnight. In your own words, can you expand on your “deluded” remark?

[@ChachiTelevision1979]

@Eucharist Angel Also, the Church has never made a definitive statement in who is in Hell.

[@F2222m]

St Ignatius got me on the journey back to Catholicism. Needless to say he is my patron Saint.

[@alphabeta8284]

Welcome home brother!

[@ingarrajoey]

Me too!👍

[@thereccereport1172]

St. Ignatius of Antioch and the other Apostolic Fathers had a theological tradition that needs to be carried on.

[@jeremiahong248]

Unfortunately many in his order now are probably making St Ignatiius turn in his grave.

[@ingarrajoey]

@@jeremiahong248 Ignatius of Loyola is not Ignatius of Antioch

[@Army4Runner]

Your sentiments at the beginning regarding your desire to be “just like the first Christians” was exactly the thing that drove me to join the Church as well. 👍🏼

[@willliamstjohn7053]

If you want to be like the first believers, live a Torah lifestyle.

[@Gesu_Re_dei_re]

​@@willliamstjohn7053what are you on about

[@smokedbrisket3033]

Same, except I went Orthodox.

[@adelbertleblanc1846]

Protestants say: "Sola Fide". But the Scriptures say: "Faith, Hope and Charity”

[@basketbasket1225]

Nice bumper sticker strawman

[@RomeNumber1]

No one is justified by faith alone! Truth!

[@123jinson]

Read Ephesians

[@adammatemba1207]

Faith in the finished works of the cross alone

[@michelespinosa7396]

Faith implies works, the same way love implies charity and mercy… 🤦‍♂️

[@RGTomoenage11]

There is nothing better than going to Mass and thanking the Lord for the sacrifice he made (during the consecration on our knees) and also thanking him for dueling with us and feeding us with his body as the sacrificed Lamb which we must eat through the Eucharist. And Even if I’m not worthy to receive him, if he only says the word, our souls shall be healed. Thank you Lord Jesus Christ!

[@doktorenko]

@Anthony Clegg do you not believe that he has raised?

[@thomasbrodrecht6137]

@@doktorenko because of his resurrection can we receive Him in the Eucharist, and because of the resurrection that food is eternal life. The “sacrifice” of the mass is a sacrifice we are giving on the Altar. Not God’s sacrifice happening again.

[@matiasgamalieltolmosuarez790]

Ignatius (Letter to the Romans, Chapter 7): I take no pleasure in corruptible food or the pleasures of this life. I want the bread of God, which is the flesh of Christ who is of the seed of David; and for drink I want his blood, which is incorruptible love. Ignatius (Letter to the Trallians, Chapter 8): You, therefore, must arm yourselves with gentleness and regain your strength in faith (which is the flesh of the Lord) and in love (which is the blood of Jesus Christ). You could argue about literal real presence (lutherans, anglicans, orthodoxs, Moravians, etc.) or spiritual real presence (calvinists, etc.) but transubstantiation is totally out of Ignatius epistles, you cannot force the epistles of fathers of the church to support a dogma that was created years before even from the separation of west and east. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤣

[@thomasbrodrecht6137]

@@matiasgamalieltolmosuarez790 I agree. It’s more a symbolic and still entirely real presence. The best of both worlds lol. Did you interpret something in these comments as arguing transubstantiation?

[@matiasgamalieltolmosuarez790]

@@thomasbrodrecht6137 I totally agree that Christ is truly presence and spiritual presence. And even entirely presence, but always with the purpose of remembering his death and resurrection, the problem with transubstantiation is that they are trying to explain a mystery and with a focus on the "superpowers" of the roman clergy over other churches, and that´s very sad for the worldwide Christianity And nop these comments aren't arguing transubstantiation hshshs sorry my comment was direct for the guy of the video, my bad

[@DrDavid-PhD]

St Ignatius of Antioch was instrumental in my own conversion from Protestantism. Ignatius is my confirmation name.

[@Bepeace-loveOth3rs]

amen

[@gjshordja]

@@tony1685 very convincing ! Blaw blaw blaw, lol

[@Stephen-xz1bu]

@@gjshordja protestant like him will not listening to us🤣

[@r.e.jr.1152]

David McFeely My conversion name is Jesus Christ. He is my Lord and Savior! Without him I would not be converted.

[@ddzl6209]

@@tony1685 protestant believe in the satanic cult of sola scriptura man made tradition invented by a devil possessed man.

[@_Gaby_950]

"When I converted to Catholicism 20 years ago..." I can't wrap my head around you being older than 28.

[@juanisaac5172]

He is 29 now but he puts me to shame./

[@_Gaby_950]

@@juanisaac5172 Wait, really? How was he reading the Church Fathers at age 9?

[@Amal-kp8qb]

@@_Gaby_950 He's 36.

[@_Gaby_950]

@@Amal-kp8qb Thank you! Still very cool that he had such profound taste in books at that age!

[@Charliechorizo]

St Dominic Savio died at 14. It's not who you are, but what your doing with what God plan for you.

[@johnburke8337]

I've been diving into the Patristic Fathers for a long time now and I am absolutely in love. They always had this aura of sternness and grumpiness for some reason, but when you read their words you find a wealth of joy and charity.

[@michaelibach9063]

@Eucharist Angel you do understand actual satanists hate the Eucharist, just like you.

[@johnburke8337]

@Eucharist Angel 😝

[@michaelibach9063]

@Eucharist Angel actually, the martyrs in heaven are those that died in defense of the Eucharist, Faithful Roman Catholics. Those that deny the Eucharist are damned. Just like the satanists that hate the Eucharist. You hate the Eucharist and so do satanists, get a clue buddy. You are literally in the same boat as actual active satanists. There literally is no other way to look at this, even though you try.

[@michaelibach9063]

@Eucharist Angel except those you are deeming innocent aren’t actually innocent. Btw, Protestant built America dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan and the only survivors that walked away and lived whole heathy lives were Roman Catholics. The blood of the martyrs is on Protestants hands, not Catholics. You should read about the atrocities committed by John Calvin Protestant England’s abuse on Catholics in Ireland and France. Also, the seat of Peter has Gods authority to condemn people to death. Truth & Life App Acts 5:3-5 3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God." 5 When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and died. And great fear came upon all who heard of it. The ones that believe they are doing Gods will and actually making martyrs is Protestants. Sorry Truth requires defending, first by conversion and when necessary, by force. Truth & Life App 1 Timothy 3:15 15 if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth. A bulwark is a fortification that defends those inside from those outside, in this case those that have the truth Catholics from those that think they have the truth Protestants. Christianity isn’t a religion of pacifism. It’s a religion that fights, just like the those that followed Moses to the promised land. A war Catholicism and Christ ultimately win.

[@michaelibach9063]

@Eucharist Angel actually, you haven’t proven they were innocent. So, you’ve proven nothing. I have proven the Holy Spirt has given Peter and his successors the right to condemn heretics to death. Truth & Life App Luke 22:36-38 36 He said to them, "But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one. 37 For I tell you that this scripture must be fulfilled in me, 'And he was reckoned with transgressors'; for what is written about me has its fulfilment." 38 And they said, "Look, Lord, here are two swords." And he said to them, "It is enough." Not to mention the numerous cities that those that followed Moses destroyed. Same pattern, sorry, Jesus Christ started the Roman Catholic Church and He’ll see it successfully to the end.

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

I'd say St Ignatius of Antioch living at the same time as the Apostles. He went scorched earth on the Eucharist and the Catholic Church being the Church that Jesus established in Matt:16. He was also personally taught by Apostle John

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

You win the grand prize.

[@johnyang1420]

Way to go Charbel!!!!!

[@frankperrella1202]

I agree Trent Horn from Catholic answers knows his Church Father's 🙏🗝️🗝️📖🛐💯 Catholic 🛐

[@33-vertebrae]

How do you connect "Catholic Church" of Rome, with church of Antioch? Antiochian Orthodox church exists...

[@johnyang1420]

@@33-vertebrae Jesus only started one church…..Catholic. Antioch chutch is Catholic too.

[@jacksoncastelino04]

St Ignatius of Antioch, Pray for us

[@r.e.jr.1152]

Jackson Castelino Ignatius cannot hear your prayers! He is not Omnipotent, Omniscient, etc. Only God can hear our prayers, and he is not happy you ignore him and pray to someone who is not God.

[@jacksoncastelino04]

@@r.e.jr.1152 my God is Living God. N He is not God Of Abraham Isaac n Jacob. GOD of Living not of Dead

[@r.e.jr.1152]

@@jacksoncastelino04 You do not know what you are saying! The expression "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob," was coined by God himself. Any bible student would know this!

[@michaelibach9063]

@@jacksoncastelino04 Truth & Life App Matthew 22:32 32 'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not God of the dead, but of the living." Peter had the power to do miracles. Paul had the power to do miracles. Demons have power and God has never removed it, why do you think Peter or Paul are any different? Especially when Jesus taught the exact opposite? Truth & Life App Matthew 25:20-21 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, 'Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.' 21 His master said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a little, I will set you over much; enter into the joy of your master.' Gods servants have power allotted to them by God. Not only that, they are one with God and have inherited everything Jesus has. They aren’t just playing harps on clouds and completely ignorant and indifferent to what’s going on here. They are living and working just as God is living and working.

[@sammygomes7381]

Really? When did Ignatuis die for your sins, not to mention the dead can't hear.

[@patrickchapko6693]

All of the early church fathers were Catholic, not Protestant! This has strengthened my faith in the Catholic Church.

[@MUSIC-MARY]

Amen. (354-430 A.D.) St. Augustine: “The CATHOLIC CHURCH... the SUCCESSION of PRIESTS… BEGINNING from the very SEAT of the APOSTLE PETER… to the PRESENT episcopate (office of Bishop).” “I should NOT believe the gospel EXCEPT as moved by the AUTHORITY of the CATHOLIC CHURCH.” (Cont. Epist. Manich. Fund. n. 5 p. 269)

[@tomsitzman3952]

The early Church fathers with much thought put the first bible together.

[@pmc2999]

​@@tomsitzman3952really? Shouldn't that be with much prayer?

[@pmc2999]

Too much focus on Catholic and Protestant and not enough on the Christian.

[@JustKJ109]

In 144 ad ​@@tomsitzman3952

[@GratiaPrima_]

I guessed it right! Yes, because he’s so close to the Apostles time, and clearly believed Catholic things. Catholic teachings go all the way back.

[@sketchartist1964]

Sadly however, many protestants think it makes more sense to follow their own interpretations of scripture over those of men who literally lived in the early days of the Church.

[@GratiaPrima_]

@@sketchartist1964 right! “There are as many religions as people now.” -Martin Luther. Yeah, I wonder why dude.

[@BaniLogrono]

did he write or say anything about purgatory or Mary being sinless or praying to angels?

[@sketchartist1964]

@@BaniLogrono The book of Maccabees tells us to pray for the dead that they might be "loosed of their sins". Also, the veneration of Mary has been a feature of the Church since the earliest days. We know this through tradition and through early christian art. We also know that there are angels and that scripture doesn't say we can't call on them for assistance or protection. Christ himself said he could call down legions of angels if he chose to.

[@GratiaPrima_]

@@sketchartist1964 🙌🙌

[@TheBadTrad]

This was tremendously helpful! I’ve actually had prots outright deny Ignatius of Antioch actually even existed. To have the quote from the prot “scholar” that you included is so valuable. Thanks, Trent!

[@Walker-ie8dm]

I love how apologist will iron man their argument by saying "this protestant/catholic scholar even said this supporting my opposing view!", makes for an interesting argument. I have to ask though, if they know about the supporting evidence for the supposedly damning and strong argument, why are they still protestant/catholic?

[@Walker-ie8dm]

And I just mean that in a way where I'm thinking "Hm, how do they reconcile this issue with their beliefs? How do they argue against it?"

[@TheBadTrad]

@@Walker-ie8dm Many times, prots have to be brought slowly along. Just because they may see an argument has merit regarding one particular subject doesn’t mean they’re ready to convert. They may still have disagreements about other aspects of the faith.

[@TheBadTrad]

@@Walker-ie8dm It’s very similar to how we as Catholics recognize that prots have it correct when it comes to some of their beliefs like The Trinity, Christ’s divinity, etc, (which they of course got from the Catholic Church to begin with) but they have it all wrong when it comes to papal authority, apostolic succession, The Eucharist, etc, etc, etc.

[@Walker-ie8dm]

@@TheBadTrad I myself am a protestant but I've been doing a lot of research and I'm going to start reading the scholars books and all of that. I'm not like most protestants though, I don't believe in sola fide or a 66 book canon (and torah observant but that's a whole can of worms). I started with learning what exactly Catholics believe (from Catholics themselves) and now I'm starting on the WHY and HOW. I'm giving everything a fair and honest shot but I haven't found anything undeniable yet, this whole debate is not as clear cut as many would believe.

[@colegest9742]

St Ignatius helped me convert from Protestantism to Eastern Orthodoxy. Glory to the Lord

[@siegeheavenly3601]

By any chance was it the Antiochian Orthodox jurisdiction?

[@crusaderACR]

@@siegeheavenly3601 Does it need to be?

[@bugslayerprime7674]

@@crusaderACR I think he's referencing the point that St Ignatius is "of Antioch". ;) ;)

[@crusaderACR]

@@bugslayerprime7674 Brother the Eastern Orthodox don't have an unbroken succession there anymore. In 1724 the Eastern Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch settled for Full Communion with Rome. The Ecumenical Patriarch of the time decided the election was invalid and appointed a replacement, which I'm pretty sure he didn't have the authority to do. The line is held by the Catholics now. Unless you follow the Nestorians. Or think that Constantinople has Papal powers, your pick.

[@teeemm9456]

@@colegest9742 strange since Catholics use his writings to try and prove the papacy by making up context.

[@silviae1000]

Thank you so much for this talk. I knew very little about the Church Fathers, now thanks to you I feel more Catholic than ever. Blessings from Argentina

[@discerningChristian]

He is one of my favorite church fathers, and I'm Protestant

[@kelechialozie3522]

Cross over the Tiber and join us...

[@discerningChristian]

@@tony1685 Unnecessary comment

[@EtanoS24]

@Phillip Hickman “Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]). Because he clearly states that the bread and wine is literally the flesh an blood of Jesus.

[@Quis_ut_Deus]

John 6:41-58 [41]Meanwhile the Jews were complaining to each other about him, because he had said, 'I am the bread that has come down from heaven.' [42]They were saying, 'Surely this is Jesus son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know. How can he now say, "I have come down from heaven?" ' [43]Jesus said in reply to them, 'Stop complaining to each other. [44]'No one can come to me unless drawn by the Father who sent me, and I will raise that person up on the last day. [45]It is written in the prophets: They will all be taught by God; everyone who has listened to the Father, and learnt from him, comes to me. [46]Not that anybody has seen the Father, except him who has his being from God: he has seen the Father. [47]In all truth I tell you, everyone who believes has eternal life. [48]I am the bread of life. [49]Your fathers ate manna in the desert and they are dead; [50]but this is the bread which comes down from heaven, so that a person may eat it and not die. [51]I am the living bread which has come down from heaven. Anyone who eats this bread will live for ever; and the bread that I shall give is my flesh, for the life of the world.' [52]Then the Jews started arguing among themselves, 'How can this man give us his flesh to eat?' [53]Jesus replied to them: In all truth I tell you, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. [54]Anyone who does eat my flesh and drink my blood has eternal life, and I shall raise that person up on the last day. [55]For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. [56]Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me and I live in that person. [57]As the living Father sent me and I draw life from the Father, so whoever eats me will also draw life from me. [58]This is the bread which has come down from heaven; it is not like the bread our ancestors ate: they are dead, but anyone who eats this bread will live for ever.

[@Quis_ut_Deus]

Luke 22:13-20 [13]They set off and found everything as he had told them and prepared the Passover. [14]When the time came he took his place at table, and the apostles with him. [15]And he said to them, 'I have ardently longed to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; [16]because, I tell you, I shall not eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.' [17]Then, taking a cup, he gave thanks and said, 'Take this and share it among you, [18]because from now on, I tell you, I shall never again drink wine until the kingdom of God comes.' [19]Then he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, 'This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.' [20]He did the same with the cup after supper, and said, 'This cup is the new covenant in my blood poured out for you.

[@harryallenpearce89]

As a Protestant, I ran into the wall of Ignatius. I lost. I can’t in any good conscience say I know Christianity better than the disciples (Polycarp as well) of John. Today, I am Catholic.

[@richlopez5896]

Welcome home! “There are many other things which most properly can keep me in her [the Catholic Church’s] bosom. The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here. Her authority, inaugurated in miracles, nourished by hope, augmented by love, and confirmed by her age, keeps me here. The succession of priests, from the very see of the apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15-17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here. And last, the very name Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called ‘Catholic,’ when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house”- St. Augustine of Hippo (Against the Letter of Mani Called “The Foundation” 4:5 [A.D. 397]).

[@joeleach5089]

Please don't become Catholic. Focus on the Apostles, not the Church Fathers (Jude 6), on Christ's completed work on the cross, not the eucharist (John 19:30), and on the priesthood of all BELIEVERS instead of an institutional church (1 Peter 2:9).

[@harryallenpearce89]

@@joeleach5089 The Apostles had to teach someone Christianity. Just reading a Bible then making up whatever you want it to mean is making up a new version of Christianity, not the Authentic one. A different Gospel. The Apostles taught people Christianity, who you call the Church Fathers, and reject, even though they were appointed by the Apostles, not you, to preach the True Gospel.

[@susiearviso3032]

Its about Jesus Christ. Its all about Him. Not Churches or doctrines.

[@garymarcera7452]

You're so right about Ignatius of Antioch. When I first read him and Polycarp, right there and then I knew it was impossible to stay Protestant. At first I thought orthodoxy was the way to go, but eventually came back home to the Catholic Church. Thank God for these early apostolic fathers and their writings.

[@Bible33AD]

What made you decide between Orthodox vs Catholicism?

[@garymarcera7452]

@@Bible33AD it took me a while, but two reasons in particular. First I was born and raised in the Catholic Church. Even went to Catholic elementary school. Then, the Orthodox position on the papacy seemed weak. Though they acknowledge the Pope as leader of the western church and first among equals, they attribute to him more symbolic authority. In the times of Jesus, the first apostles and the early church, when one spoke about authority, it wasn't at all symbolic, as we see for example, with the British monarchy, but real authority. That pretty much clinched it for me.

[@TheDjcarter1966]

As a recent convert and now theology student the one thing that really convinced over and over is to find me one, just one Church father or leader of the Church, Catholic or Orthodox in any way for 1500 years who says the Eucharist is just a symbol or memorial and not truly the body and blood of Christ. As a former protestant the other question that no one could ever answer was if the Catholic Church strayed away when exactly was that?

[@trailora6843]

@Eucharist Angel Your agressivity says it all... May God bless you

[@rhwinner]

@Eucharist Angel Do you want dressing with that word salad..?

[@wishyouthebest9222]

@@rhwinner Why is that word salat? In short: JESUS said memorial, so he is right.

[@lukebrasting5108]

When did the Catholic Church stray away? Haven't you heard, Constantine hijacked it and messed everything up apparently.

[@lukeb559]

@@wishyouthebest9222 John 6:53, John 6:56, John 6:57. Jesus said this and later this- Luke 22:19 -20 Matthew 26:26-28 Why is it hard to believe that God's own son fully divine yet appearing in all ways to be man, could not also, as he said to the disciples, be bread and wine? What Christian would put such limitations on God? Consider also 1 Corinthians 11:20-34. The fullness of God's truth and grace are found in the Apostolic Church, the Catholic church, not in its imperfect human stewards but in spite of them.

[@VictoryOvrDepression]

Time to read again the writings of St Ignatius of Antioch. Thank you, Holy Spirit.

[@sketchartist1964]

It would appear then that a protestant is one who desires complete independence to make up his own mind about what Christ actually taught. In this way he finds the freedom to ignore the lawful authority of the Catholic Church and substitute therein his own opinions.

[@johnyang1420]

Yes!!!!!

[@Kitiwake]

It's the original moral relativism.

[@garrett2514]

My EO priest said that when Protestants join the church, they give up autonomy for Apostolic authority. It's definitely a trade-off I was happy to make.

[@johnyang1420]

@@garrett2514 Excellent choice!!!!

[@garrett2514]

@Eucharist Angel I mean Paul sure does. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. And Peter tells us that prophecy is not open to multiple interpretations, so it would be wrong to assume I can interpret scripture however I want. 2 Peter 1:20-21 knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

[@thefaithfulone1947]

This just made my catholic faith that much stronger, thank you and keep strong in the Lord Jesus Christ 🙏

[@gregorymendoza448]

Excellent video! That is why I always found Protestantism to be confusing and became Catholic.

[@MrMercuryW]

Ignatius of Antioch (also known as Ignatius Theophorus) wrote the Epistle to the Smyrnaeans circa 110 AD, John died around 100 AD. Ignatius was recognized by all the other Bishops alive who were also consecrated by the other Apostles to be legitimate. Very unlikely for a legitimate Bishop at that time to be inventing or "modernizing" theology apart from what the Apostles taught. Especially when Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to protect the the Church.

[@kelechukwuanozyk7605]

False. Ignatius died around 107AD. He wrote the letter before his death

[@MrMercuryW]

@@kelechukwuanozyk7605 Do you have definitive evidence on the exact dating of either the Epistle or Ignatius' death? I think at best we can only make approximations. Still good to edit the main post to reflect on the approximate dates.

[@MrMercuryW]

​@YAJUN YUAN I'm sure it's the Latinization of the name, since in Latin there are declensions for names. Which are special suffixes for names. These special rules for names are required for certain sentences to make sense in Latin grammar. And the -us suffix is usually applied to masculine words and names ending in o in the last syllable like Theophoros. Like in the genitive it would be Theophori (which in english would be like Theophoros'), and in dative it would be Theophoro (which in english would translate roughly as him being the recipient of an action or state). Without this declension many of the sentences would not make sense in Latin. During canonization processes the names of people are adapted into Latin but the original language name is also preserved. Though this may happen with the other sacred languages such as Ancient Greek and Biblical Hebrew. The purpose of this latinization and recording of the original name is in order to immortalize the name. Given that all languages change across the centuries in pronunciation, grammar, etc. But the sacred languages don't change since they are dead languages which were tied to the cross.

[@MrMercuryW]

​@YAJUN YUAN I know a little. The most literal translation would be Deipara, then Dei Génetrix or Dei Genitrix. Mater Dei, is appropiate to refer to her, as a title used in many prayers would come to be as (Mother [of the God]), but it is not as literal of a translation, as it is common in languages. Mater Dei and Dei Génetrix are the most commonly used.

[@christophersalinas2722]

Yup. Exactly right. Ignatius was a key messenger of apostolic teachings.

[@MrKneeV]

While being introduced to the Apostolic Fathers generally is what drew me away from Protestantism, it was St Ignatius specifically whose words were most influential for me.

[@D12Min]

Read all of his letters, can´t see anything remotely close to modern Roman Catholicism in there

[@MrKneeV]

@D12Min I am Orthodox. You are either being dishonest about having read them, or dishonest about what you found when you read them.

[@jehl1963]

I don't know why this suddenly popped up on my feed, but I decided to take a listen. Lifelong Lutheran, and nothing that you quoted caused any fear in my heart. Much of it made fine sense to me, and I don't feel any need to convert to Catholicism. Especially when you keep in mind that Ignatius was a mere man, like all of the other post-Apostolic writers, including Aquinas, Augustine, Luther, Calvin, Kierkegaard and Bonhoeffer. All were learned men, but far from infallible. As a careful Christian, I need to compare what those and others taught to what is in the Bible and discard those things which stray from the message of the Bible, and keep those which reinforce or enlighten the biblical message. Certainly they can be very useful from a historical perspective in regards to the views of the early Church, but at some level you could also say that such things as Gnosticism and all of the other heresies which are countered in the three creeds (Apostles, Nicene and Athanasian) also existed in the early church. So just because something was taught or believed in the early church doesn't mean that it is correct.

[@noeltan1455]

To be deep in history is to cease to be a protestant. - Cardinal Newman

[@haroldcounts7460]

Really? It wasn't the Protestants who murdered millions of people in the dark ages of killed thousands of people as Cortez did in south America. That was absolutely the Catholic Church.

[@haroldcounts7460]

Here's a lesson for you about history. See if you are a Catholic after you read your own church history. Here's a few things you aren't taught in your local Parrish Mary had five biological sons besides Jesus and the Bible even names them,the Catholic Church murdered millions of people in the name of your religion and that's fact, your church was founded by the Roman emperor in 312 AD and that's a fact,and your church helped Hitler carry out his final solution and even helped the Nazi leaders get to south America to Argentina and Colombia by what was called the rat line where the Vatican leaders forged passports for those Nazis and that is an absolute fact. What about the news of bishops and priest having homosexual orgies and you abundance of gay priest. Yeah I guess that's something to run to.😀😀😀

[@noeltan1455]

@@haroldcounts7460 who are Mary's other biological children? If you want to judge a religion, you should judge the best of what it produced, not the worst. I'm well aware the history of the Catholic Church is bloodstained and broken, as with any other religion. But this should not deter one from the truth of its teachings. Remember that even from the beginning, we had Judas who betrayed Christ. But for the sake of addressing your point, if you want to look at works, why not also look at both sides? You point at the evil doings but have you looked at the tremendous good the Catholic Church has done? How many souls she has saved? Just search up the number of hospitals, schools, social welfare services, outreach and charity organisations around the world that are Catholic. Search up the amount of art, music and beauty that had Catholic origins.

[@haroldcounts7460]

@@noeltan1455 Noel I'm not saying everything the Catholic Church has done is evil,far from it.what you said about their blood stained hands and we should look at the good part is like saying Al Capone was a killer but he financed soup kitchens in Chicago during the depression. Just because someone gives out food or water doesn't make them Godly. When the RCC moved thru the world it left poverty and destruction.What True God would be a party to killing another person for simply reading or owning a Bible of all things during the dark ages or like helping Adolph Hitler in his final solution? That absolutely happened and the church tries to rewrite their history and it's shameful. Do me a favor and study about Cortez in south America,that destruction was santioned by the Catholic Church. Read about pope innocence,he was a cut throat killer who ordered multitudes of people killed in the name of the church he ran. I'll tell you this humbly I personally can't see why anyone would ever go in their doors after the horrible hurt and damage they did against humanity. All their horror is readily available on the net and much of in the RCC own archives. It's definitely nothing in going to be a party to. Read in the Bible ,revelation 17,the whole chapter and you can see the end of that work. It's tells us how that women was dressed,where she sat which is Rome and Rome is the only city that can be described in this context and even told how and why she will be destroyed in God's anger.read it slowly.its not a pretty picture.

[@haroldcounts7460]

@@noeltan1455 here's the answer for your question. In mark 6: 1-3 names the boys who were with Mary when she went to find Jesus when He was close to home. In Matthew 13:55-56 Matthew tells the same story as mark did telling the name of Jesus brothers and his sister's being with Mary. In the context it absolutely says they were her children and not in a spiritual sence. Think about this if when Jesus was told about his brothers and sisters in a spiritual sence it wouldn't make sense here, mark and Matthew both named the brothers and then mentioned the girls but never named them.when the men with Jesus said is this not the carpenter and here we have his brothers and his sister's. In the book of acts Paul mentioned Jude as being the Lords brother and Jude wrote the book of Jude and he himself said he was James brother and both James and Jude were mentioned as Jesus brothers in both passages mentioned. Those brothers were Marys sons regardless of RCC doctrine as well as the in named sisters and that is right out of the Bible.

[@SanctusTheology]

st ignatius made me reject protestantism and accept the eucharist completely, may he pray for us

[@jessebryant9233]

How so? What convinced you?

[@SanctusTheology]

@@jessebryant9233 ignatius is tied to the apostles , so his teaching bare that apostolic nature compared to modern interpretations from protestants.

[@jessebryant9233]

@@SanctusTheology How so? What does that mean? Not sure what to make of that...

[@SanctusTheology]

@@jessebryant9233 Ignatius was said to have been taught by the apostle John, so the teachings ignatius brings forth is apostolic in origin

[@jessebryant9233]

@@SanctusTheology "Said to have"? But what about the teachings in the Bible itself?

[@bk3720]

I was at the heterodox, watching the doctrinal waves of the sea. The Catholic Church said I needed to listen to Ignatius, Justin, and Irenaeus, so I did, and got into the boat with them and sailed off. We landed at the Orthodox, and I went to Ignatius church. Tradition states that St Ignatius sat on Jesus’ lap when the disciples were trying to forbid the children to come to Him. ☦️

[@DjSostre7]

We can appreciate the Orthodox Church, for sure. Only thing is, is that both orthodoxy and Catholicism holds to the 7 ecumenical councils; and with that, the 7th ecumenical council demands being in communion with the the 'Bishop of Rome'- Successor of Peter. So the fact that Orthodoxy has strayed from doing so; is in complete contradiction to what they hold to; which is that very council.

[@darianjohnson5312]

@@DjSostre7 This is patently false, because it presumes the Roman Catholic dogmas in Vatican I of papal supremacy and infallibility--which the first millennium Church did not believe or teach (I would invite you to share the canon or exact section of the 7th Council that allegedly professes that all apostolic See's must be in communion with Rome in order to remain canonical). The Catholic Church, on the other hand, is rife with contradictions. Just to name one, your point that we both believe the first 7 Ecumenical Councils--that isn't actually true. Catholics don't hold to them the way the Orthodox do. When Pope Leo IX introduced the heresy of the Filioque into the creed centuries **after** it had already been infallibly agreed upon **in** an Ecumenical Council that no one was ever to change the Nicene Creed once it was solidified at the 2nd Council, he effectively contradicted the Council with that very action. So, how can Catholics claim to affirm it? At the very least, they'd have to say that the Council wasn't infallible when it declared that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father alone, because two contradictory statements can't both be infallible.

[@josephjackson1956]

It’s weird how these Protestants throw out anything that can be Catholic even if it was in the early Church.

[@hoponpop3330]

I could understand the Reformers dislike of Rome , but their are multiply Eastern Churches whose belief are only nuanced differences with the Pre Vatican 2 Church. The Liturgy’s translated into English is remarkably similar in all ancient Churches I like to to refer to the Ancient Churches as classical and Protestants Churches as Neo Christian’s. I’m not saying Neo Christian’s are good people and saved . The only belief I criticize is once saved. That’s a teaching that sounds like it came directly from the Serpent . Just confess that Jesus is God , Just Eat the fruit. Doesn’t James caution that the even the fallen ones believe the same.

[@sammygomes7381]

@@hoponpop3330 Why did the Reformers dislike Rome? Maybe Rome burnt one to many people at the stake or maybe God sent the reformation as Christ told us His church would not fail to the gates of hell.

[@itruck96]

​@@sammygomes7381How many people died because of Martin Luther? Hint: it's in the hundreds! Oops!!!

[@sammygomes7381]

@@itruck96 Are you talking Catholics or non-Catholics? How many Christians did the Catholic church kill for refusing to convert to Catholicism. How many people will they send to hell for following a false gospel? Neither you nor I have the answer to those questions.

[@itruck96]

@@sammygomes7381 You need help.

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

Where have I heard this argument before? I don't like the argument it makes, so therefore it must have been a forgery or a late addition. So therefore it can't possibly be true!

[@TheChunkyCrusader]

🤣🤣🤣🤣. The argument tho

[@sterlingteall3462]

@@TheChunkyCrusader Werent you the person who was arguing on Dr Taylors live chat about the SSPX being in schism?

[@TheChunkyCrusader]

@@sterlingteall3462 I wasn't exactly arguing that, but I was in that chat. I said that if the SSPX does not recognize Francis as the true Roman Pontiff than they are in schism.

[@mickyfrazer786]

@@sterlingteall3462 your comment made me look this up. Curiosity etc... It seems it's complex. See the link from EWTN www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/sspx-masses-14267

[@dr.mofongo9001]

I’m still on a journey revisiting the faith (cradle Catholic turned Protestant), and the very early quotes from St. Ignatius of Antioch, combined with the belief he was a disciple of the Apostle John, have played a vital role in my reconsidering everything I’ve learned to this point.

[@TheDarkRobloxian]

God bless you on your journey, and lead you to act of your free will and conscience. If you have ever been led to believe your soul is being kept by your Church's connection to God, remember that this is not a fear of those who abide in Christ. Taste and see the goodness of the Lord; of what He has promised even down to the Sacraments and the wickedness of those who may exalt him, and I hope you can see your life In Him without the burden you may feel from a lifetime of understanding and communing with even righteous attacks against His Bride, in whom many promises were fulfilled. Live close to your faith, whichever path you choose; and then good Protestant theologies are not nor will be shackled by Sacred Tradition. They will unite to help defend you from shallow labels accusing Catholics, and poor shepherds in Rome who cannot convey and yet also can never change the substance of good teaching, and bring you to many more joys in the full and wild promises of Christ! He has made disciples and apostles out of all of us, and He has come to offer us His comfort in the world. He has not gone to abandon His Servant, who still proclaims Christ Alone is King. Rejoice!

[@fantasia55]

The internet is crushing Protestantism.

[@darrylbatchem8985]

The Doctor of the Church who converted me from protestantism and who is my patron Saint is St Robert Bellarmine. During my time through a year of conversion St Robert Bellarmine just kept popping up all over the place. I didn't need to go back to the Early Church Fathers (though I did) I just had to go back to where the world went wrong.

[@pemcortes9467]

Lovely, back to where the world went wrong - referring to the so called reformation period. And people say its the dark ages when the world went wrong, the time when the world was actually a haven if you live in the christian part of the world.

[@sallyjune4109]

I love to hear stories like this!

[@RPlavo]

You might want to look into your patron saint’s role in the demise of Giordano Bruno

[@darrylbatchem8985]

@@RPlavo You appear to be applying the protestant theory of guilt by association which I don't subscribe to?

[@MUSIC-MARY]

One Eucharist, one church, Catholic church. NOT 3,000 different protestant denominations.

[@vinceschenden7349]

I think 30,000 + denominations.

[@MUSIC-MARY]

@@vinceschenden7349 Wow, thats even worst. GO CATHOLIC!!!

[@MUSIC-MARY]

@@vinceschenden7349 Wow Vince, way 2 much! St. Irenaeus: (189 A.D.) 156 years AFTER Christ: “CHURCH… @ ROME… Every CHURCH… agree with this Church… its pre- eminent AUTHORITY.” (Against Heresies 3:3:2)

[@JeP-lz4ti]

@@vinceschenden7349 Name them. Name even just 30. Bearing false witness?

[@vinceschenden7349]

​Yes, thank you for ur reply. I originally heard the 30k+ figure on my local Catholic radio station quite a few yrs ago. In an attempt to answer u, I found an article online from Live Science by Donavyn Coffee, updated July 29, 2022​. It said there were 200+ Christian denominations in the US and over 45k worldwide. Does it mean less that I can't name at least 30 off the top of my head? If u say so. But why did u equate my comment (from a yr ago) with the breaking of the Commandment against Bearing False Witness? YOU could have easily looked this up yourself. Did u even watch the above video? @@JeP-lz4ti

[@YardenJZ]

Reading St. Ignatius, especially along with the other Apostolic Fathers, as one of Jehovah's Witnesses was nothing short of shocking.

[@ewankerr3011]

Which recension did you read? Are you certain about the authenticity of the letters? And what did you find shocking coming from another tradition?

[@YardenJZ]

I read Michael Holmes' third edition. His translation is a version of Lightfoot's work that has been revised three times. This text has gone through similar processes as the NT itself, and I see no reason to doubt its historicity. What was most shocking was: 1. The deity of Christ. 2. The real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. 3. Threefold Holy Orders. 4. Somewhat implicitly, Rome has a special status of leadership. What is most interesting is that St. Ignatios does not try to introduce novelties. These things are taken for granted. Both by him, and he writes as if everyone knows this stuff.

[@tyler-qr5jn]

@@YardenJZ glad you realised the deity of Christ, the JW NWT Bible is a fake... its altered, and is not true to the manuscripts and sadly its taken away so many people

[@skippy8696]

I often tell JWs who I talk to on the street to read Ignatius, Polycarp and Justin Martyr regarding the deity of Christ. I wonder how many of them actually go and do it though 🤔 clearly it's not just a biblical doctrine but it's one that was passed on to the disciples of the apostles and their disciples and so forth. It didn't just appear out of thin air at Nicaea.

[@sammygomes7381]

@@skippy8696 It could not have been passed on by the apostles as the apostles never preached, we had to eat Christ nor how to turn the bread into Christ. The apostles preached we need to believe in Christ as they responded to Christ in John 6:68 that Christ has the "word" of eternal life. The apostles understood bread was a metaphor for the word of God, in those days the Torah. In Jewish thought, bread was equated with the Torah, and "eating of it" was reading and understanding the covenant of God (cf. Deuteronomy 8:3). For example, the apocryphal book of Sirach states, "'He who eats of me will hunger still, he who drinks of me will thirst for more; he who obeys me will not be put to shame, he who serves me will never fail.' All this is true of the book of Most High’s covenant, the law which Moses commanded us as an inheritance for the community of Jacob" (Sirach 24:20-22). Quoting from Sirach here is not endorsing it as Scripture; it only serves to illustrate how the Jewish people thought of Mosaic Law. It is important to understand the equating of bread with the Torah to appreciate Jesus’ real point. In the Jerusalem Post, both in articles on the Torah and in articles on the Gospels, we have discussed again and again and again that “food is a metaphor for knowledge” and have seen in example after example that: “each type of food represents a different aspect of knowledge”. Hence: “bread” is a metaphor for: “the word of God”, “figs” are a metaphor for “knowledge about God”, “milk” is a metaphor for “easy to understand spiritual teachings

[@Scott-p5y]

I am a Lutheran and I believe that when you take communion it is the body and blood of Christ.

[@moiseybeliy5458]

Fear? On the contrary. The writings of Ignatius, as well as those of the other Church fathers for the first two to 300 years of church history, played a massive role in why I very confidently left Eastern orthodoxy, and very confidently dismissed Roman Catholicism with it. The first 300 years of church history are simply nothing like modern-day Roman Catholicism or Eastern orthodoxy. Selective quote mining from the church fathers can trick one into becoming part of one of these organizations, but reading them fully and in context, and with a heart that is truly seeking the truth, not only leads one away from modern Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox traditions or practices, but often will outright condemn them. Praise God for His Word, and glory to Him for the saints throughout church history who remained faithful to Him in the face of the myriad man-made traditions that have plagued this world since even the times of the apostles themselves. I pray you all genuinely and humbly seek the truth in the most profound sense of the word, for God will surely being such a one to Him in all truth. That truth is not to be found in the papacy, which is a wicked and vile thing of satan. One simply cannot put the papacy (with its sheer, blatant, rabid hatred of God and His law and His Gospel-- and its love for the world and its ways) in even the slightest place close to God. It is a wretched, stinking abomination from the pit. May the Lord have mercy on those who equate the papacy with the Church.

[@UnKnown-so5wk]

Agreed. I read ignatius after the New Testament and the things he says would be considered heretical by any Catholic or orthodox scholar.

[@InfraGerusut]

Doesn’t answer anything lol. You haven’t demonstrated how it’s quote mining, just embarrassing whines

[@InfraGerusut]

@@UnKnown-so5wkthen you clearly haven’t read Ignatius or orthodox theology

[@UnKnown-so5wk]

@@InfraGerusut ok. Thats your opinion

[@amor4dior169]

At least give an example of what you're claiming

[@davidburt6659]

I AM A protestant of 83yrs and have spent many years as a volunteer of the Presbyterian church I dont need a priest to tell me how God will keep me safe .I have travelled and volunteered for the Presbyterian church in many countries including China where i met Christians there

[@kvin949]

God will meet us wherever we are, Presbyterian or anywhere, if we accept and open our hearts to his will.

[@R01202]

_James White scowling intensifies_

[@ewankerr3011]

: Actually, White often refers to Ignatius in his debates to 'prove' the deity of Christ. However, White frequently underplays the different recensions and interpolations and possible anachronisms.

[@bobteo813]

In many apparitions of the Blessed Mother... She has many times mentioned that the Catholic Church is the True Church

[@ewankerr3011]

: But what does Ignatius say about her ?

[@_Gaby_950]

@@ewankerr3011 Not much since he wrote most of his letters while on his way to die. Mariology doesn't pick up until the late 1st-early 2nd centuries.

[@sammygomes7381]

The many apparitions by Satan should be enough to tell you the Catholic church is not the true church.

[@aleguitarra]

Mariology is idolatry...

[@bobteo813]

@@aleguitarra Nonsence....

[@wc8048]

Well done. I’m a Protestant and will look at this father more closely again.

[@john-el9636]

Please do bro

[@matthaschanged]

This doesn’t do much to high church Protestants, we maintain the teachings of the fathers

[@MUSIC-MARY]

Which Catholic Church is the Main Authority? (110 A.D.) “The CHURCH… which holds the PRESIDENCY (Main Authority)… the ROMANS.” (St. Ignatius Letter to the Romans, 1:1, 3:1, 4:3)

[@sammygomes7381]

@@MUSIC-MARY More reason to follow the word of God and not forged letters or the Catholic church.

[@michaelwachira8484]

@@sammygomes7381 stage 1: Denial

[@DerikJosephDee]

St. Ignatius of Antioch is my Church Father hero. His writings made me closer to my faith. And how he refused the help of his fellow Christians amidst the possibility of death, declaring he wants to die as Christ died for him, such an example for us. St. Ignatius of Antioch, may we be like you. Always intercede for us so that we follow Christ's footsteps through yours. Pray for us, always. Amen!

[@mrjeffjob]

St Ignatius sealed the deal for me.

[@r.e.jr.1152]

Jeffrey Job And the deal is a bad one!

[@ddzl6209]

@@r.e.jr.1152 Believer of satanic cult of sola scriptura a man made tradition invented by a devil possessed man, will not know until the gates of hell prevail upon their heretic church which is bound to vanish and many churches are dying in an unprecedented rate.

[@hrd708]

@@r.e.jr.1152 Sola scriptura is new heretic teachinf

[@r.e.jr.1152]

@@hrd708 Why do you say that?

[@hrd708]

@@r.e.jr.1152 Establish on 16th century. Bible doesn't support that teaching, early christian, apostolic father, church father never know sola scriptura

[@davidclerget9401]

The amount of argumentum ad ignorantium found in Protestant objections is astounding.

[@hexahexametermeter]

Cool argument ad hominem.

[@danstrikker6465]

They also forget that the Hebrews had a hierarchy similar to we Catholics do

[@clayrush1413]

Theodor Zahn's book only appears to be available in German. If anyone knows of where to get a copy in English do tell!

[@amaniampongpius5796]

Yes a powerful Dr. of the Church .

[@stephenbailey9969]

Fortunately, most Protestant scholars today accept Ignatius as one of the important church leaders of the second century. His writings are a worthwhile read. There is nothing in his writings that is antithetical to Protestant doctrine held by many denominations. And there is nothing in his writings which are directly supportive of those later Roman Catholic traditions with which all Protestants have the most difficulty (primacy of the Bishop of Rome, veneration of Mary). Those Protestants that followed in the line of Calvin and the Swiss Reformed tradition have taken issue with his more literal interpretation of the Eucharist; they regard the Eucharist as merely a symbol. But many other denominations find Ignatius's description perfectly in line with the Biblical doctrine, accepting that in the connection of signs, faith, and Holy Spirit there is a spiritual interaction of some kind. As for episcopacy, there is still disagreement among denominations as to how an overseer/episcopos and an elder/presbyter should be chosen. Also, many denominations hold the older New Testament view that those roles were to be held by the same person or persons in the local body. Ignatius was of course writing at a time when the number of believers in certain areas had grown significantly, and it made sense to split those roles. Still, the idea of the early church was not of hierarchy as we think of it, but of circles of greater service in shepherding the souls of the flock, and the flock responding with respect for God's gracious provision of servants.

[@littlem332]

St Ignatius was a huge factor that led me toward Catholicism!

[@MUSIC-MARY]

"Where there is JESUS CHRIST, there is the CATHOLIC CHURCH.” (St. Ignatius Letter to the Smyrnaeans, 8:2) (107 A.D.) (77 Years After Christ)

[@jediv9910]

​ @Joe Castillo *Where in the Bible says R ctists can take doctrines from fallible writings of fallible writers? Are they infallible Scriptures? What authority do they have?*

[@ThumbKnuckle]

As a Lutheran I don't have a date for the apostasy of rome, rome is still a part of the body of Christ, but many of the traditions therein obscure Christ. That being said, listening to catholic apologists may only convince me to become Eastern orthodox, which would mean abandoning the western mind towards clarity.

[@harrygarris6921]

Not that there weren't signs of it earlier on than this but the 9th century is really when western theology started to diverge and go its own way apart from Orthodoxy. That's when you start seeing the office of the pope demanding that the filioque be added to the Nicene creed on nothing more than his own authority, apart from an ecumenical council.

[@silveriorebelo2920]

you uncritically swallow too much cheap propaganda

[@ThomasMcConville-x9k]

And your founder Martin Luther was not apostate? He was right on target about the heresy, sacrilege and blatant blasphemy re indulgences getting one into heaven without true repentance to God and living in His Grace. He was completely in error when he subverted the Old Testament Deutorocanoical Books, and how he excoriated James 2 Faith and Works doctrine, and allegedly rejected Revelations but ultimately relented regarding that book. He did include the so called Apocrypha, but he reduced the books to historical content.

[@ronaldmessina4229]

Too much argument…the Catholic Church is and will always be the true church founded by our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ l

[@jessebryant9233]

How do you know that? If that is true, shouldn't the RCC's teachings always align with the teachings of the Bible? Or, better yet, how about this: What is the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Roman Catholic Church? "...what must I do, that I may be saved?" (Acts 16:30)

[@pauljasmine353]

Trent became a Catholic 20 years ago through intense study and personnel introspection. I became a Catholic 25 years ago because I got outed one day counting the collections. Been involved in RCIA and CCD ever since. Viva Ignatius.

[@chamberlineowen2814]

Was St. Ignatius using the word catholic as in the Roman Catholic church we have today or referring to the Universal church of Christ, the entire body of Christ as we had it then.

[@frankperrella1202]

Love Trent Horn he's a smart guy He knows the Church Father's & I love CATHOLIC answers 😊🛐📖🙏🙏🗝️🗝️💯 Catholic God bless my Brother's & Sister's in Christ & my Catholic Brothers 🗝️🗝️🙏📖🛐👍

[@X_mano]

After watching videos of Protestant youtubers(living waters, wretched) I was convinced that Catholics are not saved, but after doing my own research on catholism, I now agree that Catholics are not damned. Planning to convert to catholism, I'm currently a member of the Presbyterian Church, but I'm sceptical my father would agree with my decision as I'm just a teen.

[@pemcortes9467]

You are very blessed to see the truth at such a young age. May the Holy Spirit show you the way and give you the words and the courage of your convictions.

[@IlleMagister]

Not everyone is able to see the truth at such a young age. Stay strong and we are all rooting for you.

[@sallyjune4109]

When I "read my way into the Church" (I was Episcopalian) I waited a year before joining. I wanted to be sure. (Spoiler: that was 43 years ago.)

[@joeleach5089]

Please don't become Catholic. Focus on the Apostles, not the Church Fathers (Jude 6), on Christ's completed work on the cross, not the eucharist (John 19:30), and on the priesthood of all BELIEVERS instead of an institutional church (1 Peter 2:9).

[@guidohlizzi06]

As a recent convert myself, I relate 100% with this video. St. Ignatius flipped my mind. I'm much more of a devout catholic than I ever was a protestant. And I was in missions in China for over a decade, yet now I've thrown all that away, to join us the one true church. I only wish I had seen this earlier. Much earlier. Trent Horn also was a pivotal point in my life. Especially his debates with James White. God bless you, my brother.

[@timcarr6401]

What kind of missions in China were you involved with?

[@guidohlizzi06]

@@timcarr6401 Starting in 2004/5 I worked with the underground churches in China for quite a few years. I also hosted evangelistic cell groups that were disguised as something completely different, for safety. And since I’m also a translator/interpreter, I assisted other preachers that came to help the churches in different regions. I left China by mid 2018.

[@timcarr6401]

@@guidohlizzi06 So it was an interdenominational organization? You said you threw it all away. Was the mission you were heavily involved with just a waste of your time in your current way of thinking? Didn't you feel that you made any inroads with folks? People that didn't know the Lord became believers; didn't they? After all those years investing so much of your time, energy and devotion! Maybe you have since lost your focus. You say you were a Protestant -- of what variety?

[@guidohlizzi06]

@@timcarr6401 I’m struggling with this now. Really. They did come to the Lord in a way. I was Reformed Baptist (Calvinist).

[@timcarr6401]

@@guidohlizzi06 You were doing a God-honoring work. You led people out of darkness into His marvelous light. The Lord blessed your endeavors. There is nothing to be ashamed of. You evangelized and mentored new believers. You can do the same in America. At the end of your days the Lord will tell you "Well done, my good and faithful servant. Enter into my kingdom."

[@WMJ28]

As a further refutation of the “how could he send letters in prison” idea, didn’t St.Paul write the letter to Philemon while in prison?

[@ReformedFundy]

Fun Fact: I used to know an old Landmark Baptist pastor friend who claimed that the church he pastored could be traced back to St Ignatius, and obviously to St John.

[@ReformedFundy]

@Eucharist Angel Huh?

[@michaelibach9063]

@Eucharist Angel except He doesn’t, that’s just your opinion, not fact

[@l21n18]

@Eucharist Angel what’s with your username

[@michaelibach9063]

@Eucharist Angel Truth & Life App Matthew 28:19-20 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."

[@MissPopuri]

@Eucharist Angel John 6. Now sit down before you hurt yourself on your edgelord high horse.

[@BaniLogrono]

did he write anything about purgatory or Mary being sinless or praying to angels?

[@arcadia14]

No, but he didn't say the Church would never know anything else than what they knew in those times.

[@BaniLogrono]

@@arcadia14 thank you for your response

[@aaronmueller5802]

@YAJUN YUAN Not true. On Mary's sinlessness (and the immaculate conception), we have Hippolytus 100 years before Niceae. "He [Jesus] was the ark formed of incorruptible wood. For by this is signified that His tabernacle [Mary] was exempt from defilement and corruption." (Hippolytus, Orat. In Illud, Dominus pascit me, in Gallandi, Bibl. Patrum, II, 496 ante [A.D. 235]). On Purgatory, we have Tertullian talking about the ancient christian practice of praying for the dead. “A woman, after the death of her husband . . . prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the sacrifice” (Monogamy 10:1-2 [A.D. 216]). And on praying to the saints we have prayers to the Virgin Mary by Methodius 20 years before Nicea. “Hail to you for ever, Virgin Mother of God, our unceasing joy, for to you do I turn again. . . . Hail, you treasure of the love of God. Hail, you fount of the Son’s love for man” (Oration on Simeon and Anna 14 [A.D. 305]).

[@heinrich3088]

They didn't respected the Sabbath also.

[@aaronmueller5802]

@YAJUN YUAN Hippolytus refers to Jesus as the ark, so Jesus cannot also be the tabernacle, that which contains Jesus is the tabernacle. What contained Jesus?

[@SchwarzaufWeissundso]

As a Protestant to whom this video was recommended, I was of course excited by the title which church father I have to fear the most. That it should be Ignatius I found surprising, after all, I had read his letters recently and found nothing to take offense at - on the contrary I found them very encouraging and have since recommended them to many brothers and sisters. That Igantius is specifically Catholic, I can not conclude, it simply lacks the invocation of saints and Mary, which yet in the Catholic faith occupies such a prominent position. His understanding of the Eucharist harmonizes well with my Lutheran understanding and also of many other Protestant groups. Yes, Ignatius approves of bishops having a God-given position, but the question is whether he sees this as absolute as one has been led to believe here. Ignatius simply did not have to deal with bishops who took money for forgiveness of sins, kissed Korans and put Pachamama idols in churches. I doubt very much that Ignatius would have recognized such bishops at all.... Accordingly, I see nothing "to fear" here.

[@kelechukwuanozyk7605]

If a bishop does something unofficial and wrong, it doesn't mean Ignatius approved of that. Do all Bishops put Pachamama? You are nuts. You hate Mary because you hate Jesus

[@SchwarzaufWeissundso]

@@kelechukwuanozyk7605 Of course Ignatius would not recognize such bishops, that is the point. Thank you for proving my point. Accordingly, he cannot be used to prove that today's Catholic Church is the one true Church. Not all bishops put Pachamama in the churches, but at least the Pope and his highest accomplices did. And John Paul II was canonized after kissing a book that denies Christ. That's bad enough. No, just because I don't treat Mary almost like a goddess doesn't mean I hate her. By your same logic, Ignatius would also hate Mary, because he doesn't give her anywhere near the status that today's Catholics do. He does not even mention Mary in all his letters - which would be very unusual if he is supposed to be a Catholic. Ignatius is not proof of Catholicism, but the opposite. He proves that the first Christians had a Christ-centered theology and not a Mary-centric theology, and thus he is much closer to us Protestants than to you catholics.

[@grzesiekzdomeyko9707]

Ha, same here. I'm Lutheran familiar with Ignatius' letters and I don't really fear him ;)

[@marccrotty8447]

@@SchwarzaufWeissundso Is it fair to say that through your Lutheran religion you base your belief on the teachings of a reprobate Catholic Priest? Also, I imagine that examples of Lutheran clergy could be cited where they performed questionable actions. The Church is Catholic from the beginning.

[@SchwarzaufWeissundso]

@@marccrotty8447 Let God decide whether Luther is reprobate or not. The church may well be wrong in its judgment, otherwise it would not have canonized anyone who kisses the Koran or would not have canonized anyone like Mother Theresa who, according to her own statement, wants to convert Muslims and Hindus to be better Muslims and Hindus.... And no, I base my faith not only on a " reprobate" priest, but on the Bible and the faith of the ancient Church. As a Lutheran pastor, I am sworn to the creeds of the ancient church (Nicaea, Calcedon, etc. ...). We Lutherans value tradition and only oppose innovations that are not compatible with the faith of the Lord Jesus and His apostles. Yes, Lutheran bishops do stupid things too. But there is a big difference: these bishops, unlike the Catholic bishops, do not claim to be the final authority in matters of faith and morals and that it is necessary for salvation to obey them. Anyone who makes such a claim had better not do any of the things mentioned, because otherwise he will prove himself to be a liar. Lutherans believe that they must obey the Lord Jesus to go to heaven and not corrupt men. The Church was Catholic from the beginning, that is true (in the sense of universal) but not in the sense of Roman Catholic. Anyone who reads the Church Fathers will see that they believed quite differently than Catholics do today.

[@louskimming4371]

​@leevolyun But what they taught was, which is more than we can say about Romanism, unless you count what was said to the Pharisees which is completely applicable to the RCC.

[@canibezeroun1988]

I'm currently in a bit of a conundrum. I hope this readings help. I know that I can't leave my church now but I'm finding much of what is said to be compelling. I need to do more research, but struggling on how to move forward

[@mrjeffjob]

Just go online and search for “apostolic fathers”. These are the men who were converts and contemporaries of the Apostles. You can argue this man or that man was wrong. What you can’t argue is all of them being wrong or their writing inauthentic. History is a stubborn thing

[@richlopez5896]

Read on the Early Church. "The Early Church was the Catholic Church" by Joe Heschmeyer "The Fathers know best" by Jimmy Aikin is the goold standard for those wanting to know the Early Church Fathers and has over 900 quotes and 100 mini-bios "The Creed" by Scott Hahn “The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.’ . . . On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all [the apostles] are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?”- St. Cyprian of Carthage (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251]).

[@sallyjune4109]

I recommend prayer to the Holy Spirit.

[@JustKJ109]

Do unbiased historical searches. Don't alow playing with words

[@JustKJ109]

I don't need an Ignatius.. He's not gonna judge me. Neither will any pope.yall are silly .

[@rolandovelasquez135]

I know that nobody will see this, nevertheless, "In the New Testament, Ministers, Bishops, Pastors, deacons etc, are required to be married. God's Word (the Bible) is crystal clear on this subject. "An overseer (Bishop), then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach..." 1 Timothy 3:2 The Roman prohibition of marriage for it's clergy, mandated in the twelfth century will go down in history as one of the most spectacular man made disasters ever.

[@isoldam]

This does not refer to 'required' marriage. Bishops, deacons, etc.. have never been required to be married. It refers to not being divorced and remarried or not being in polygamous marriages. You are also dead wrong about priestly celibacy. Marriage does not miraculously save men from sin and bad behavior, as you can see from the many badly behaving married orthodox and protestant clergy. These married clergy must also split their attention between their family and the church. In practice this means most of their attention is on their family.

[@fortisrisuspater]

Justin Martyr made me see the truth of the Eucharist and that started the journey.

[@MUSIC-MARY]

Yes sir: (155 A.D.) Justin Martyr (First Apology 66): “EUCHARIST… is the FLESH and BLOOD of that JESUS.”

[@rbnmnt3341]

I fear no one. Scripture says "the Lord is for me, so I will have no fear, what can MERE people do to me?"

[@juancuervomusic7628]

Blurs out the icon in the thumbnail, but doesn’t blur out the name in Greek lol. Fantastic content as always, Trent.

[@danielbruceagra9022]

Yes, I noticed that too

[@rhwinner]

There should be a law against trolling Protestants with video titles. They're already high strung to begin with and this just brings them out of the woodwork....

[@markv1974]

You could say theyre the woodworms on our cross 😬😬😬

[@markv1974]

@Eucharist Angel its ok for the chair of peter. Its not ok for the pope in his personal capatcity. Do uou even realize what it means to sit on the chair of peter ex cathedra? Do you know what are the prerogatives and powers of the pope as agreed by the whole of Christendom in council? And why do you call yourself a christian? You are not a member of Christs church. You do not believe what he taught to his apostles. You stole our holy book, ripped 7 books off of it and started making the Bible your God, your lord and redeemer. You are an idolater and a heretic. Catholics are gracious and timid so we dont say that often but its the truth. You are a heretic and an idolater. You put your bible ( a book) even if inspired it still a book over the logos, the word of God incarnate, his son Jesus Christ. I am a sinner but I think im guided by the holy spirit in this to tell every catholic that we must proclaim the truth no matter how controversial that Protestants have perverted Christianity and are leading millions of souls astray by schism and idolatry. Oh, p.s. the holy spirit is nagging me to tell YOU, eucharist angel, that your soul is already in hell. I dont know why but I felt I had to say it. Im not angry... but I just have to say it.. wont stop until I placed that.. your soul is already in hell.

[@rhwinner]

@Eucharist Angel You don't sound like a Christian.

[@rhwinner]

@Eucharist Angel You sound like you may have some emotional issues, and a very unclear understanding of either the Protestant or the Catholic tradition.

[@rhwinner]

@Eucharist Angel God is a merciful father. God is all powerful and he can take care of us. God is rich in Mercy and slow to anger. God is with us. God is in your heart. God is thoughtful. God is faithful. God is purity himself. God is light. God is truth. God is joy. God is so good to us. God is a faithful lover. God is so generous and so wonderful. We have been created to love and be loved and God has become man to make it possible for us to love as he loved us. Is this what you believe??

[@carlosreira413]

Thank you, brother, for this fine introduction to St Ignatius of Antioch. You have confirmed my suspicion that bishops were a very early fixture in the Church and acted in a supervisory role above the presbyters. While I am not Catholic capital c, I affirm the unity of the holy apostolic and catholic small c faith!

[@american1911]

Trent, I have one question and one comment. 1) Why did you in the opening photo of Ignatius of Antioch display him in “priestly attire”? It seems hard to believe that he would dress like that since the Christian church was under Roman persecution? 2) Your comment that the word priest comes [directly] from the word presbytery is not quite precise. The shift from "presbyter" meaning "elder" to its association with "priest" occurred as Christian ecclesial structures developed over time. Early Church Structure: In the earliest Christian communities, the terms presbyter (elder) and episkopos (overseer or bishop) were often used interchangeably. The role of the presbyter was to guide and lead the local Christian community, and they were viewed as elders responsible for spiritual and pastoral care. At this stage, presbyter simply referred to a community leader, not necessarily a sacramental priest in the modern sense. Development of a Distinct Clergy: By the 2nd and 3rd centuries, as the Church grew and became more organized, a more formal hierarchy emerged. The office of episkopos (bishop) became distinct from that of presbyter. Bishops were responsible for overseeing multiple congregations, while presbyters (now more clearly defined as priests) were responsible for the pastoral and liturgical care of individual communities. Sacramental Role of Presbyters: The presbyters began to take on roles that were increasingly associated with sacramental ministry, such as presiding over the Eucharist, baptizing, and offering absolution of sins. Over time, their role became more focused on these priestly functions, especially as Christianity became more sacramentally oriented, emphasizing the liturgical and sacrificial nature of the Eucharist. Linguistic Evolution: As Latin became the dominant language of the Western Church, the Greek term presbyteros was transliterated as presbyter in Latin. Over time, this evolved into prestre in Old French and priest in English. The term "priest" thus retained its connection to the idea of an elder, but its meaning shifted to refer more specifically to someone who performs religious rites and offers sacrifices, much like the priests in the Old Testament. In summary, the term presbyter originally referred to an elder or community leader, but as the Christian Church developed a more formalized structure, the role of the presbyter became increasingly associated with sacramental functions, leading to the term's evolution into the word "priest."

[@SuperIliad]

As if the Holy Spirit would allow Christ's Body, His Church, to wander off the road for fifteen hundred years until a group of delusional renegades came to the "rescue" to succeed only in setting off five hundred years of wild disintegration.

[@allanlindsay8369]

John Morris hello and greetings to you. Exactly brother! Also we have Our Blessed Lord's promise Matt 16 17-19 " . . . the gates of hell will never prevail . . ." AVE MARIA!

[@ewankerr3011]

Even the Roman Catholic Church admits dark times. Indeed, anyone who reads history will often be shocked at the lack of Christianity.

[@m.e4752]

@@allanlindsay8369 Whatever it is, lets in unity not forget to remember John Wycliffe whose bones were dugged up, crushed and scattered in the river by the RCC 40 years after he was killed for translating Latin Bible to English. Lets also remember John Hus for he was burned to death by RCC also for translating Latin Bible. The RCC officially noted that: "By this translation(of Wycliffe), the Scriptures have become Vulgar, and they are more available to lay, and even to WOMEN who can read, than they were to learned scholars, who have a High Intelligence. So the pearl of the Gospel is scattered and trodden underfoot by swine." Thank you Protestant Martyrs.

[@SuperIliad]

​@@m.e4752 be wary of the Black Legend.

[@jeaniemccombs2200]

No one explains as well as you do. I loved this, I’m signing up for your podcasts. Since my time in RCIA, I find your voice soothing & comforting, it means I’m going to learn new things.

[@Doug8521]

What is interesting to me is that no matter how elaborate and intellectually powerful the argument a protestant makes and since they don't believe in infallibility, their opinion is just one more of the bunch. Like a drop of water in the ocean. Which I wonder, why would anyone listen to what they say?

[@agrikantus9422]

Because people don't know any better. And what a version of Christianity that fits them or that they "feel" is right disguised as "The Holly Spirit" lead me to believe this and that. Reasoning is not the reason why they Protestants.

[@JuanRamirez-di9bl]

Because they speak as if with authority, with boldness, convinced of what they are saying to be true. There is feeling following their arguments, and most of us let us guide by our hearts rather than by reason. Most of us don’t have time to do a through research of the matter and blindly believe everything anyone has to say, convinced that whomever is speaking boldly is speaking truth. I don’t deny their hearts are true to the Lord! And most of them don’t mean wrong! Even me, I have been changed my mind so many times based on new information that I previously ignored, a work in progress! And this is just what the devil wants, to divide and conquer.

[@agrikantus9422]

@@JuanRamirez-di9bl What annoys me the most about certain protestantas is that sometime they get this disgusting pride saying things like " Orthodox and Catholics are not Christians" and many other nasty things, these indeed are the most nasty cause their pride leads them to have double standards on question of faith. And I also hate their ambiguity about the faith.

[@JuanRamirez-di9bl]

@Empyreal I agree with @Agrikantus on the pride issue. Pride doesn’t let us look beyond the plank in our own eye! Most, if not all of the accusations against the Catholic church that I’ve encountered are mere misunderstandings, or plain lies and or misconceptions and or misinformation of what the Church really teaches. The infallibility of the Pope is one of those issues along with Tradition. You say you revere the Word of God, but what makes you think Catholics don’t revere it equally or even more than what you say you do? We know only God knows the hearts of men, why would we put ourselves higher than any other man? I think we are fooling ourselves if we think that we are any better than any other man, or that we are worshipping God any better than any other man.

[@agrikantus9422]

@@JuanRamirez-di9bl Scripture without tradition is endless interpretation, heck I went through so many views on how to interpret scripture that 2 years ago I completely gave up on it. The Protestants might revere the scriptures but for sure not all of them agree. Should we keep the shabbat? Should we keep the Jewish feats ? Should we receive the gift of "tongues"? Should we call God Jehova , Yahweh,Yahwah,Yawhashi etc ? Should we eat pork? ... and it just goes on and on and on, is just chaos. The new testament says God is not the author of confusion but trust no else confused me more then the sola scriptura of the Protestants , that's why I realized is such a nonsense.

[@keithwhitlock726]

I base my faith on the Scriptures, not the supposed writings of a supposed saint of the early church. Censorship of the truth is not a new thing.

[@fantasia55]

The Bible did not exist until AD 382.

[@bryanwirthlin4444]

A video on St Thomas Beckett would be cool. He's my confirmation Saint. I like to think of him as the, "Patron Saint of telling Government 'No.'" Archbishop Thomas Beckett was a Bishop that protected his church, unlike many of the cowards in mitres today. He went so far as to die by the sword at his altar during Saturday morning Vespers. St. Thomas Beckett, pray for us.

[@tomsitzman3952]

It brought me near to tears when I saw his name listed with all the other bishops at the Cathedral where he gave his life for what he believed.

[@myronmercado]

Hey Trent, do you think the early church's quickness before to declare heresies as anathema preserved it's oneness, and the modern church's slowness to do so gave birth to all these protestant denominations and boldness to challenge the church?

[@erravi]

I was just looking into St. Ignatius a few days ago and was wondering how a protestant could possibly argue against him.

[@AJHurley]

We don't need to. We agree with everything he says.

[@AJHurley]

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[@erravi]

@Phillip Hickman that’s a very silly question

[@erravi]

@@AJHurley I meant more evangelical protestants but that’s interesting too

[@michaelholwey4611]

Hello! Orthodox Christian here. I love the video. I too think that Protestants need to read St. Ignatius to open their hearts and minds to the reality of what the Church is and how it functions. I've read St. Ignatius' letters a couple times through and they've really helped me understand the early Church better. St. Ignatius repeatedly says how important it is to be in union with the local bishop and to do nothing apart from him. He even goes so far as to say that where the bishop is and where the people gather around him, there is the catholic Church. I've always been curious how Roman Catholics understand this, since St. Ignatius makes no mention of the necessity of being in communion with the bishop of Rome in order for the particular local church to be full, complete, and lacking nothing (aka catholic). Seeing as the doctrine of papal supremacy is a big point of disagreement that bars communion between Orthodox Christians and Roman Catholics, this issue is particularly close to my heart. I would love to hear any thoughts about this and I appreciate your time and responses. Thanks and God bless.

[@natashawilson1687]

Saint Ignatius of Antioch is the saint who made me Catholic.

[@internetenjoyer1044]

this video only really argues against a minority of protestants though. traditional anglicans, lutherans, even calvinists, are not "afraid" of Ignatious. Why are we pretending that traditional protestants are unaware of the Fathers

[@m.e4752]

They dont even remember John Hus and John Wycliffe when they read their Bible in English.

[@sliglusamelius8578]

Because they are lol. Modem Protestants know nothing. They deny anything except what is in the Bible, not even knowing where the Bible came from.

[@johnfrancis4401]

Excellent Trent. You are SO CLEAR !!!!

[@arosalesmusic]

The Didache talks about doing works and visitng those in need, acts of mercy ect. so it is not unconceivable that St Ignatius sent letters while on his way to being martyred. The Didache, also known as the Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, is believed to have been written in the late 1st century or early 2nd century, around 70-100 AD.

[@rudyandrade1407]

Love all your comments Brother's! Right know I'm doing my own research for Defense of our faith. Starting with St. Pope Damasus 1. Recently head butted with a Protestant. He left speechless. This motivated me document and prove Jesus left us a Church and the church gave the world the Bible.

[@CK-ub7jf]

To our dear Protestant brothers I would like you to ponder this analogy. I am 72 years old and have two sons aged 23 and 26. Both are Protestants because I raised them to be loyal Protestants. However, I am now a Catholic. My conversion to Catholicism came about after about 40 years of private and intensive research to find the original church. When my boys and I engage in a discussion on some theological issue, we sometimes strongly disagree. However, I am always aware that the gulf between my knowledge and theirs is massive. Sometimes it is impossible for them to understand my point of view. And the simple explanation is that they know so little, and their views are often shaped by the influence of some eloquent and persuasive speaker with international influence. Sometimes they are bewildered when I prove from the Bible that something which they believed to be just Catholic is in fact supported and proved by the scriptures. Many of the comments I have read here are no different to those that I heat from my sons. Given time my sons will enter the Catholic church. The reason I say so is because Protestant doctrines are flawed - in some cases seriously flawed. And because my sons are lovers of truth, they will eventually see those flaws and reject them. But it needs time. Believers who are unable to see Jesus teachings in the Catholic faith should know that they are still partially blind.

[@anng.4542]

Thank you for your interesting post. Such a flood of comments here from Protestants who clearly have been taught false history and faulty reasoning. Why do they jump on Catholic podcasts only to preach at us in the comments? Do they really imagine they are going to "convert" us?

[@sallyjune4109]

What a beautifully loving comment.

[@joeleach5089]

Please don't stay Catholic. Focus on the Apostles, not the Church Fathers (Jude 6), on Christ's completed work on the cross, not the eucharist (John 19:30), and on the priesthood of all BELIEVERS instead of an institutional church (1 Peter 2:9).

[@CK-ub7jf]

Thanks for the concern, but rather be concerned for yourself. Why do you think you understand the apostles if you are incapable of understanding the writings of the men (the church fathers) who knew them personally and intimately? And what makes you think you undersrand when what you teach/believe conflicts with the plain words of scripture? You don't understand because you don't read. You refuse to read because you place more confidence in the new teachings of the so-called reformers than all the faithful of the first 1500 years. The mind is like wet clay. While wet it can still be remoulded. But if it obstinately refuses, it solidifies in its error and there is no remedy for it. Such is the condition of many Protestant minds. What I believe and practice is what all true Christians have believed and practiced from thr beginning. Therefite my confidence is reasonable. You believe what comes from men - none of which could agree with each other . @@joeleach5089

[@Uralicchannel]

Ironic how you included Luther in the thumpnail but Luther affirmed real presence

[@anthonylogiudice9215]

Ignatius was a student of John the Apostle. Polycarp and Papias were other students of the apostle John.

[@davidokeefe1898]

Thanks for your information. St. Justin Martyr 1st described the Mass in a letter to the emperor. Our parish saint in Houston, TX.

[@MUSIC-MARY]

Yes Sir: (155 A.D.) Justin Martyr (First Apology 66): “EUCHARIST… is the FLESH and BLOOD of that JESUS.”

[@sammygomes7381]

@@MUSIC-MARY According to the Greek definition of the word Eucharist, it is defined as an act of thanksgiving and not a ritual practice of symbolically eating the God we worship. As in this example: (Philippians 4:6) : Do not worry about anything; but in everything make your needs known to God by prayers and supplications, with thanksgiving = "Eucharistia" = Recognition, attentive to favor. Eucharistia [yoo-khar-is-tee'-ah].

[@michaelwachira8484]

@@sammygomes7381 Lol look at you trying to defend your Martin Luther religion

[@sammygomes7381]

@@michaelwachira8484 Friend I am pretty sure I have never defended Martin Luther or even know he had a religion as I thought he was a catholic and worshiped and prayed to Mary.

[@michaelwachira8484]

@@sammygomes7381 Then where did your religion comes ....just google it

[@CountCulture27]

As a Protestant, it doesn’t actually scare me that Ignatius believed similarly to the Catholic tradition. Anyone seeking truth should not be scared of anything. The issue with the early church is simple, however. I can find the Protestant side on almost every issue from the early Church Fathers. That’s why adherence to the Bible is key. These are the words, sayings and traditions that matter. The simple, easily shown in history, the church has not always fallowed Christ’s teaching, be it Catholic or Protestant. The Inquisition, the Encomienda System, and the selling of indulgences were easily examples of the Catholic Church going astray. Before you say, evil of man as a defense, please remind yourself that you are placing your total reliance on the authority of the church. (At least that is how Catholics have phrased it to me)

[@testingmysoup5678]

The inquisition was fine you likely don't know anything about it. They saved many from witchhunts and reconverted Spain which suffered greatly from Muslims and Jews. The selling of indulgences wasn't an issue either from the top down. Indulgences never bought your way to heaven and didn't require monetary payments. Some could just be prayers and they were done to lower time of purging, which prayers do anyway. And purgatory can be seen in Scripture so that's not a problem either.

[@testingmysoup5678]

Protestantism is a worship of the self, it's an ideology much like atheism which sprung from individualism not collectivism. Collectivism is much more inline with Jesus' teachings and the early church.

[@VACatholic]

8:11 - 9:14 and then 9:14 - 10:16 I had the strangest feeling of deja vu. I'm glad I wasn't going insane, and it was literally duplicated.

[@TheCounselofTrent]

Thanks for the catch! I've edited the video so a new version should appear in a few hours.

[@VACatholic]

@@TheCounselofTrent no worries! Thanks for the video!

[@mattb4249]

The Church didn’t lose its way, the RCC did. I flee to the Gospel for refuge as to the flesh of Jesus, and to the apostles as to the body of the elders of the church. Let us love the prophets too, for they foretold about the Gospel and hoped in him and waited for him. By FAITH in HIM were they SAVED into the unity of Jesus Christ, holy men worthy of our love and admiration, witnessed to by Jesus Christ and included in his father’s Gospel of our common hope. Ignatius, Letter to the Philadelphians 5.

[@lcronovt]

The Didache of Saint Bernabe disciple of St Paul is also a good against protestants.

[@jesusfaith2232]

Excluded from canon!