The Classic Golf Swing And How Golf's Future Lies In The Past | Milo Lines Golf

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Who has your favorite golf swing of all time? 🔑🌪 *Milo's 5 KEYS to a Rotational Golf Swing: milolinesgolf.com/5-keys-to-unlocking-a-rotational-golf-swing/

[@dogloverjb6873]

I use the classic golf swing now ... I have no injuries and I outdrive most men on the course at age 65 yrs. I struggled with the modern golf swing technique for 30yrs, had alot of golf-related injuries and then found someone who taught the "manuel de la torre" method. Changed my game forever and for the best.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Good to hear

[@bobbyhunt100]

Thanks so much Milo for the compilation of golf swings. After almost 50 years as a golf professional there is rarely a day goes by when I don't learn something about the various perspectives of viewing the golf swing, and in particular your subjective, though evidence based analysis of various successful actions. I thoroughly enjoy your work. Please keep it up! G'day from Australia.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Thanks so much for the kind words and watching!

[@mbotefuh]

This is one of the best swing videos, ever. Thank you!

[@bricebeaulac]

Science has proved the old swing to be more efficient, great video!

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Yes! Thank you!

[@sageagbonkhese4091]

Yep. Also, different body's generate power in different ways.

[@ragaMark]

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[@jacobr4558]

No long drivers use it. Neither do the top pros so how is that possible?

[@lizardears4861]

What a great historical analysis of the golf swing! Rotational swing seems to be the way to go!👍

[@MarkSmith-lz5rk]

It's also way easier man...it feels like a half swing to someone coming from a classic swing...

[@thomasdavico3107]

Very well put-together video Milo. My four favourite swings, in no particular order. Peter Thompson (very inderatted), a young Nicklaus, Hogan, and Snead. It's great how we can now clearly see the merits of the 'old-school' golf swings.

[@bjohnson515]

Big thumbs up on Peter Thompson.

[@wadepatton2433]

I grew up watching Arnie and Jack and remember studying some of Jack's technique, but then I bought Hogan's 5 Fundamentals book and that was all I needed thereafter. I'm just now back after a 30-year layoff from golf. I'm going back to Hogan, and it's working great for me. Now I'll be better at judging my own swing vids. thanks

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Good to hear Wade, welcome back! Hogan's book has some good thoughts, but also some I don't prescribe to. I've also been told that book was not fully written by him, plus parts of the book don't align with what he actually did in his swing.

[@wadepatton2433]

@@MiloLinesGolf Sure, folks say lots of stuff and I cannot explain what all happens in my own swing. Works for me. I thought there was "too much tips" and not enough fundamentals BITD. Hogan's book was great for me then and still works for me now. We're all somewhat different. Once I get my "groove" back going, then I'll see a fitter/coach for tweaking.

[@wadepatton2433]

@@MiloLinesGolf Well it all BLEW UP about 3 weeks ago and now I'm a Manuel de la Torre student. Now this really works and is much easier. Having more fun already.

[@TheFrenchPug]

Loved it! I didn't have anything that resembled those swings but now had two lower back fusions. I cannot reverse C now if I wanted to so have to use the more rotational swing standing tall at the end. When I get it right, there is no pressure anywhere on my back or in my arms or wrists.

[@richyclubsport5155]

How did i miss this compilation, got to say Bobby Jones win rate per tournament was remarkable, retired at 28 what a swing and like you Milo i think Sam Snead swing is beautiful

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Looking into the past is such a treat!

[@ag358]

Yes, Bobby jones win rate was 46% 13 majors and retired at the ripe old age of 28. Also he went months between majors without touching a club.

[@kevinshoemaker5466]

Great compilation. Have you analyzed the Mike Austin swing? Just curious, because I find a combination of what you teach and his ideas work better for my aging body and given my specific issues.Thx for posting this once again. Love your insights! (Two of my PT's are TPI certified).

[@MiloLinesGolf]

I do but chose to use players that won majors for this video

[@scottwarner1017]

The old timers knew a thing or 2 about swinging a golf club. The reverse C finish is torture on the low back. I charged my swing to lose the C & my back feels better & still hits as far. I enjoyed your video.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

You got it Scott!

[@chriskrikorian8057]

Great video. Milo ... are you saying that the Arm driven/reverse C swings are caused by the lead hip going past the lead foot?

[@stevefowler2112]

Super interesting...super super interesting. I used to be a 4 handicap in the 90's and quit playing to due, well, life, but I would like to start back now and as I have almost no swing right now, as I start to rebuild it I am going to keep the nuances you point out in mind. I think when I was playing my best golf I was probably always starting with the longest lowest takeaway I could have but my natural swing was swinging around my body so I may have had a hybrid swing. When I really got good and started shooting around par I had made an effort to have a more elevated take away along with a weaker grip to help me hit a higher straighter/baby fade ball. Anyway thanx for this video.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Thanks for watching Steve! Best of luck to you in your journey, here to help if you need anything!

[@ILIAD9]

That was fantastic! I like the Hogan swing. I tend to lift my lead shoulder that defeats the plane a bit but when I get it right I play great.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@1cleandude]

Great video thanks again for your time and expertise!

[@jack-hq7gr]

Interesting video clips. You note how Nicklaus changed his swing in the 70's and 80's and became more verticle with arms and had to make space with body and pull out ofposture angles. I bet that is the cause for many of us over 50 who grew up in this era and were lost with the arms and hands swings that were seldom connected to torso movements. How do you practice keeping left hip inside of left leg area?

[@MiloLinesGolf]

jack check out my video on how to turn the hips. If it doesn’t answer your questions shoot me an email.

[@emncaity]

It would certainly be news to Jack that he had anything like an "arm and hand swing not connected to torso movements," or that until his problems in the late '70s he was "pulling out of posture angles." It's true that his changes in '79-'80 involved standing taller and swinging a little flatter in better harmony with his turn, but he always stressed the connection between the coiling of upper body over lower body, releasing from the ground up, etc. For that matter, the people always talked about as the hands-and-arms guys (Toski, Flick, etc.) never said the swinging of the hands and arms should be "disconnected" from torso movements, but that the it was better to think of the rest of the body as supporting and complementing the swinging elements -- which certainly means connection and coordination, per Jacobs and others -- rather than trying to use the torso and shoulders to push and shove the club around. I don't think _any_ great teacher has ever advocated anything like a lack of sync or coordination between swinging elements (arms-hands-club) and what the rest of the body is doing. And unless they're going to deny what is clearly visible in film of every great swing, even the "body" teachers are going to tell you that the arms swing independently from the shoulder sockets, and the club from the hands/wrists, to some degree in every good swing. No way to develop speed otherwise. It's a total coordinated motion. Whether any individual player perceives his best results and best feeling as coming more with a "body-oriented" or more "hands-and-arms oriented" action is going to depend on what his inclinations are in the first place, what his training has been, the ideas he's been carrying around, etc. I do think it's worth noting that when so many tour players (not all, but many) seem so intent on working on the "big muscles," we're talking about a class of player that is already using the swinging elements well enough to be playing at the highest level of the game, slinging and releasing the hell out of the club, or they wouldn't be there in the first place. You take a guy who's never felt that kind of swinging motion, who's already working the body to death and getting no speed out of it, and make him swing _more_ with the "big muscles," and it's just going to be a disaster.

[@TheNYgolfer]

@@emncaity Study The Golfing Machine and hitting vs swinging. Great players have used either method and the principles of swinging differ from those of hitting as day differs from night. One method pulls the shaft using a kinematic sequence with passive arms and hands and the other method pushes the shaft using brute muscular power aka the axe handle technique. Then there is the "switter", who combines the two by initially pulling the shaft then transitioning to a pushing action somewhere during the second half of the downswing. That's what Jack did. Jack advocated a full wind up during the backswing using a full shoulder turn, then advocated unwinding from the ground up ( kinematic sequence) BUT, at some point during the downswing he went from pulling to pushing as is evident by his statement in "Golf My Way" QUOTE. As soon as I shift my weight to my left side I begin to release the club with my arms and hands. Unquote. Mike Austin called it "step and throw" If you haven't heard of Mike look him up. What he is famous for will boggle your mind. Many ways to skin a cat in golf but there is no best way or only way.

[@DeepakSharmaChd001]

Nice compilation

[@emncaity]

The additional problem with Woods and some of the other "down-move" players (unbelievable how teachers actually _advocate_ this now, as if it could do anything but force compensations and hurt consistency) is that if they're sliding laterally in addition to that down-move, they've got an even bigger problem with the shrunken space for arms and club. I wonder sometimes how we got so far away from the basic Jacobs theory of how there's a certain amount of rotation, naturally, given that we're trying to create force while standing in one spot; a certain amount of coil without an undue amount of tension; and the swinging elements (arms-hands-club) that have to be coordinated with those aspects of the motion. It's just not that hard to understand that if somebody is going to use an arm to throw a ball, and that person has any athleticism at all, the intent to use the arm and hand in that way are going to entail a certain amount of motion from the body, even a shift and a posting up on the lead leg while the rotation makes a shortish controlled motion around that post.

[@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy]

sean foley just taught things he never understood

[@norrispg4212]

If you think Tiger was rotational during the Butch years you should've seen him before he began working with him. He had far more knee and hip rotation. In fact, the first thing Butch did was greatly restrict his knees and hips and absolutely eliminate any head movement away from his address position. Tiger recognized the error in this (and probably the back problems it created) and returned to a backswing like he had as a 16 year old (but not the forward swing of his youth). Mechanically, his swing in '18 was the most rotational of his career though rotational to that degree to compensate for the fusions.

[@ethanaderemi]

Great video. I feel that as golf continues to attract more top-level athletes, we will continue to see more dynamic foot action, which in turn will continue to open up new possibilities for the rest of the body mechanics of the swing. The nearly frozen left foot that dominated for so long will become only one option of many.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

You got it! Thanks for watching.

[@maxwired2235]

Great analysis, and your site rocks!

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Glad you are enjoying it, thanks!

[@jardinesydney9447]

Great to see these swings from long ago,and i,ll wager they didn,t suffer with any injuries like they do today.S/j.

[@thomasfraser9072]

Nice compilation: All great swingers and player of golf for sure. Many seem to hold Mike Austin's7 position( even those who came before Mike ) on their downswing to a certain degree specific to their swing motion . Wouldn't you agree? They may or may not have used their hands like Mike Austin taught his students to do. But either way works.

[@jeremiahhounshell6004]

Great video! Very well done

[@AaronShaHome]

so should we arm drive to start backswing?

[@emncaity]

Macdonald Smith's swing has always just amazed me. You probably know Alex Morrison was crazy about it too. From the first move of the downswing onward, it was just gold. Imagine that guy with steel shafts.

[@guitar1950]

How about an analysis of Knudsen and Moe Norman? Norman in his prime would be great to watch and hear you comment on his unusual swing.

[@lionsinofprideescanor8709]

Whenever i do my back swing, my left heel always lift up and that's what i felt my body do when swinging naturally but some of my friends said that swing was ugly wrong and they said the left heel should never been lifted to start the back swing.. I got so confused and i can never do em so called modern golf swing where both feet planted on the ground, the left heel been quiet during back swing and it hurts my golf game.. After watching so many of these old school golf swing i realized that different people have different body, flexibility and thus different golf swing that's natural to them.. I just apply my own natural swing combine with the basic of golf swing and i can hit the ball much more consistent, i can compressed the ball at impact and also gain more distance because i can generate much more swing speed.. Now my friends kinda confused themselves as to why i play much better than them even though my golf swing ain't nothing like em modern style..

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Of the top 20 players of all time 19 lifted the lead heal

[@benjaminsarmiento8150]

One of the best videos I’ve seen. Very informative .

[@herbgoldstein5]

Great compilation

[@MiloLinesGolf]

One of my favorite videos I’ve put together! Thanks for watching.

[@emncaity]

Have to admit, saying "Cameron Champ's swing reminds me a lot of Sam Snead's" comes off way better than "Snead is like a Cameron Champ of the past." ;-)

[@steveperry1344]

great study of the swing thru the years, thnx

[@jonathanmercer7109]

George Duncan (1920 Open champion) had a great swing, too.

[@bobypestano]

So perfectly presented....sensational ....Thanks so much....Certainly made my day,week and even months...A golf video unlike any other...

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks Bob!!

[@trebor5760]

This is interesting as as someone who is 194cm I was fit with 2 degree upright shafts. Can I actually swing the club 90 degrees to my body and hit the ball with this kind of fitting or does modern day fitting actually hinder a good half swing. Thanks

[@RogerFoxwellHypnotherapy]

Fascinating thanks

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks Roger!

[@sunickchang]

Best golf content ever~ Great effort to gather videos

[@damonkatos4271]

Awesome!!!! Truly a great history of swings

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching Damon!

[@brianryden6045]

Very informative. Also probably unintentional, but a good look at the history of men’s pant styles.....

[@quantumpotential7639]

I put a gps guidance system in my ball now they go into the cup automatically. All I have to do is hit it in the general direction and the technology takes over from there. I haven't lost a match in over ten years. Thanks

[@MiloLinesGolf]

hahaha

[@jeffy10028]

Very nice compilation. Just a couple nits. Mac Smith was born in 1890, so he'd be ten years old at "about the turn" of the century. Also, hickory could be made as stiff as steel longitudinally, but it twisted three time as much, so smooth, consistent rhythm and tempo was critical. Hogan's lateral shift was necessitated because of how far he setup his hips away from the target.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

jeffy10028 thanks for watching. I love the videos on your channel! So many great swings and your taste in music is cool too.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Mike Austin Fan we’re starting to see top teachers understanding their mistakes and teaching more classic swing mechanics like we saw pre 1970 which will be good for the health of players going forward!

[@clarinetjo]

My swing is very vertical and rely a lot on rythm. I tried the more flat, rotational, body driven swing more closer to hogan in order to bé more consistant. It was a complete disaster. After three months i was unable to hit anything but a shank or a fat shot. I lost all power and my shoulders, and my back were hurting more and more. My rythm was gone. I decided to revert back to my previous swing, and i'm slowly gaining back my ability to play golf. You're video is very interesting, but i'm a bit careful about anything involving a flatter swing, because it can be dangerous for some people.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

An open music curator these ideas don’t have much to do with flat or vertical more about powering the swing with pivot or arms pulling. There are flat arm swingers like Ricky Fowler and vertical body swings like Dustin Johnson and Bubba Watson.

[@leifborjesson4230]

Greate video. Missed Mike Austin and your comments on him.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

He was powerful but wasn’t a winner on tour.

[@BirdmanDeuce26]

Millennial golfer here. If the reverse-C destroyed people's backs in the '70s and '80s, the "X-factor" destroyed ours. It was all over golf magazines for a while that your shoulder turn HAD to be massively wider than your hip turn, and for *ages* people were being taught to restrict their hip turn while maximizing their shoulder turn "for power", primarily by keeping your lead/left foot down and turning "against" your hips in the backswing, as opposed to around your feet/natural centre. With such a massive de-sync between the shoulders and the hips, your lower body would inevitably fire through the downswing with a lot of force, and if your timing wasn't just right, you'd get your club stuck behind you (sound familiar?). I see shades of this in Jason Day's swing presented here. Such a compacted motion may have been playable back when he was younger and more flexible, but as he aged, this motion gets harder and harder to time on a consistent basis.

[@jmf54]

Agreed! No doubt about it!

[@Saintash1964]

Notice that the segment pre 1970, most of the players forward swing was other the top of the backswing, only slightly but a definite motion over the plain.

[@davidjames3164]

Really enjoyed

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Thanks for watching David!

[@alanmartins6349]

Great video

[@slewofdamascus]

Justin Rose's swing looks perfect, to me. That's the one I'd like to copy. It just looks very simple and uncomplicated. I think I see him doing some stacking and tilting there, correct? Like Milo's, correct? Basically, the weight shift is minimized with a lot of weight kept on the lead side, correct? If you paired Tiger's mind with Rose's swing you'd have the greatest golfer of all time imo. I've never seen a player who lacks the killer instinct more than Rose, I say that with affection. I've long rooted for him. Losing the Master's to Sergio (when Rose's lifetime back nine scoring at Augusta was well under par while Sergio's was above par) was like saying "I just don't care about winning, at all." Rose is not a closer. But if you can swing like that I guess it doesn't really matter - his swing will go down in history as one of the best ever.

[@jacobr4558]

I'm of the understanding now that the modern golf swing has the hips moving on more of a sagittal plane so they're flexing and getting deep and the motion is pressuring the ground with a lot of depth. To me the Classic golf swing is more in a transverse plane so everything is about rotation including the lower body! That's why this footwork looks so fluid and smooth and why they swing their arms so long. Because they are deliberately having everything in a rotational or transverse plane. So the left knee comes in to allow the lower body to rotate the right knee straightens somewhat to allow the hips to rotate and then in the downswing it's all just reversed so the left knee is very significant in the Classic golf swing for a rotational movement. In my own personal experience with the Classic golf swing I hit it at least a club shorter but I do feel pretty accurate with it for the most part. To me the modern golf swing definitely gets a lot more pressure into the ground and a lot more vertical Force and I can create more swing speed. Not sure which I favor as of right now I use the modern swing power in the classic swing for a little more control. Maybe the reason the classic feels good to me is because I'm naturally left-handed so my lead side is controlling a lot of my feels.

[@jacobr4558]

Also in the Classic golf swing they're not creating space as you would in the modern swing. If you look at Sam's need and pain Steward and even Jack Nicholas in a lot of ways their hips are not getting the depth in their hands get pretty close to their body in my opinion. A lot closer than say Xander Schlafly or Cameron young.

[@LJ-ig5sl]

Milo. I've become a very big fan of your teaching philosophy. Watching your videos is all fact and no fiction. Can you maybe do a video to elaborate on weight pressure in the feet, and how that impacts a rotational swing. I hear many teachers say you want to get weight into your lead leg soon as possible. To me that throws the club over the top. Would you not rather build more pressure into your right side/foot at or near top of the swing. That to me seems to create knee separation like Sam Snead, and also let's you get into your lead leg in a more natural timing. Your thoughts on this topic would be very welcome for myself and I'm sure for many others. I'm also about to hit the subscribe button. Regards!

[@MiloLinesGolf]

L J I will definitely do a video on this topic in the near future

[@nelsonsantiago1093]

Good stuff buddy!

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Thanks!

[@slewofdamascus]

Milo you should consult a psychological coach, which is something a lot of player's do. When I read the Greatest Game Ever Played about Ouimet's 1913 US Open win, I was marveled by how much he struggled with his focus. Golf is unlike all other sports because nothing is happening between shots. It's 70 swings or thereabouts in 5 hours. On the range we do 70 in 35 minutes. The mental requirements (for exceptional play) are quite extra-ordinary.

[@bobt5778]

7:44 Hips getting out of way because it was more of an arm swing. Hmmm, that era was about leg drive. The hips didn't just turn anymore, they were also thrusting up off the ground. Nicklaus himself said he was weak in the arms and depended on his strong legs for power.

[@benjaminsarmiento8150]

I totally agree with you!

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Thanks for watching Benjamin

[@fourftr]

milo great video wish you would of included mike Austin and mike Dunaway's love to see your comments on their swings

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Great swings

[@jasontroutman9845]

It is very hard to switch to a more rotational swing when you’ve been more arm driven all your life. Is it one or the other or can you blend them? Just like other aspects of life you always seem to want what you don’t have. My pursuit of more rotation has impacted my scores negatively and caused frustration. My personal opinion is that if Norman tried to switch to a more rotational swing he wouldn’t have been better. Are you promoting more rotation to avoid injury and play golf longer?

[@MiloLinesGolf]

It’s easier on the body and depending on how you use your hands and arms much more powerful. Yes change can be difficult especially without guidance from someone that understands the roadmap.

[@michaelwelch757]

Great video! What do u mean drive the swing with the arms?

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Pull down, throw from the top, drive arms, etc. I prefer to see one sling them.

[@TheSeer101]

How come when I put these swings in my golf analysis app their hips move forward on the downswing significantly from where they started. I am confused. Are you saying there is no lateral move in the golf swing? When I drew a line down Bobby Jone's hip at its furthest laterally shift point in the down swing it is several inches outside his left foot. I found the same thing with Ben Hogan. Sorry I maybe misunderstanding what you are saying. Thank you in advance

[@MiloLinesGolf]

When you look at lateral motion you need to know where the hip socket is. If the lead hip socket slides forward of the lead ankle the players will have to much pelvic extension and bending will be more in the lumbar spine than ideal. I have analysis of many of the greats on my website showing what they do.

[@TheSeer101]

@@MiloLinesGolf Ok I will draw lines paying attention to this. I am actually a doctor so this is right up my ally. Interesting place to look. Thank you

[@blackie75]

Jimmy *Demaret. Great vid :🎈🎈

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Thanks

[@jayschwarz4365]

It appears that the shoulder plane on the downswing in these great players is quite a bit steeper than on the backswing. What causes this? Is there something we need to work on to get the optimal shoulder position going through the ball? Thanks.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Jay Schwarz there are a fewthings that cause this. 1. Lowering in transition. 2. Pelvis getting deeper. 3. Spine tilt away from target

[@steveperry1344]

great video for us golf nuts, thnx so much.

[@billenright2788]

Tooo cool. Great comparisons.

[@davidclifton4394]

USGA in 1924 legalized steel shafted clubs, but it took a few years for it to catch on. But it was seen steel was more durable and that you could get distance with steel shafted clubs folks didnt mind them too much. Bobby did win with the grand slam with hickory clubs in 1930. But Bobby (using his mechanical engineering degree from Georgia Tech) designed with Spalding as its lead golf designer the FIRST matched set of steel shafted clubs, debuting in 1932. In 1933 (the shafts were painted a yellow/woody color due to poor sales figures from "traditional" players). Starting in 1931 Bobby with Warner Bros made 18 short instructional videos on "How I play Golf" ending in 1933. Bobby was literally making the first matched set of steel shafted clubs, so its inaccurate to say his loose hands were ONLY for hickory shafted clubs. I would say that Bobby Jones had a swing that worked for him no matter if it was hickory or steel. There are people today who teach Bobby Jones's swing technique because it is applicable to "modern" steel shafted clubs.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Cool history

[@johnnyparker9928]

Nice video's. I was expecting to see my favorite Travino and George Knudsen

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Two of my favorite swings as well.

[@accridelich7369]

JackN had the fastest left shoulder inn the 1970-1990 version. Not arm driven. Watch Webb Simpson for that fast left shoulder. Fast left shoulder means the swing has to be vertical at the bottom.

[@billygraham5589]

Seems like the "new" swing that uses a big spine turn, a lot of torque, never really took over the game as was supposed to be the case. No dominant player as one using that "rotational" swing. The wins on tour were spread around pretty well. So no dominant player. And, as I take it from this video, there are two main types of swing.(1) the rotational dominant swing, and (2) the hands and arms dominant swing. (And maybe a hybrid of the two as well.) My take away on this is "don't exaggerate anything too much, or you'll end up in a bad position and be straining something, like your back.)

[@jukkakymalainen]

Very good and interesting video. Oh boy there are many ways to swing a golf club. Interesting that Jack made that swing change. It makes sense that this reverse C position is not so good position to rotate. I think there is still much more that we cant see from video. If you use " deep lag" your body almost stop and hands are cross released and only club momentum pulls you up and you are more relaxed. You are using much more club weight and vertical dropping power. However if you use that Jacks old style you are using much more your body rotation to sling a golf club. Then you have to use body muscles more and rotate your body all the way trough to get that sling effect. Club is swinging much more shallow and around you. Jack made them both work very well. Why do you promote this more athletic rotational swing if they both can work very well?

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Jukka Kymäläinen you are right there are many ways to swing a club. I teach athletic motion first not golf swing. I generally work with the student on what they can do with the greatest success. If the students body has normal mobility then the more athletic rotational swing will generate more speed and control with less probability of injuries. The more hands and arms swing can work well but tends to require more timing and therefore the misses tend to be bigger.

[@jukkakymalainen]

@@MiloLinesGolf Thank you very much for answer. Yes, hands and arms swing need more timing and you have less control. My personal feel is still that it is safer to just release your hands and let the club go. I mean you just have rotate your hands to get speed and not your hole body. To me it doesnt make any sense that how can fast body rotation be safer? In my opinion you need strong and fast body if you want swing like most tour players. Well anyway, your swing looks very good and powerfull 👍

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Jukka Kymäläinen Swinging the club around your body with body rotation does not require lots of speed of the body and because the club is swinging at a right angle to your spine it is definitely safer. But both can work if you’re going to swing the club using hands and arms focus on good rhythm and tempo.

[@jukkakymalainen]

@@MiloLinesGolf Last summer i actually tried play with more body dominant swing, but i always felt difficult to get enough rotation. Before that i tried Mike Malaskas style, but thats another story 😂 Thanks for the advice.

[@BamaPaul]

Did Jack really use the Malaska release? He was very consistent and long . But he didn’t lay the club down in transition and had thin divots.

[@johnflorio3576]

The issue with hickory shafts wasn’t flex; it was torque. In other words, the hickory shaft didn’t just flex but it also twisted - a lot! That’s why you see lots of old film of players who used hickory shafts using lots of hand action at the bottom of the swing to square the face at the last minute.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Yep that’s why smooth acceleration was important back then.

[@jclemish]

Milo, if you see this comment, we’re you influenced by kelvin miyahira? This reminds a lot of some of his old articles. I love it

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Yes I studied quite a lot of his work years ago. He was way ahead of his time in many respects!

[@jclemish]

Awesome, appreciate what your adding to it!

[@dttruman]

Many said Adam Scott swung the club like did and they are almost identical. What do you think?

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Read your question and edit for a reply

[@canefan17]

Surprised to see no Bubba considering how much his swing looked like the old timers. Great vid Milo.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

One of my favorite modern swings

[@emncaity]

We'll see how long Wolf lasts with that action. Wish every player well who works hard, but I wonder whether that can still be a viable thing in five or ten years.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

stephen f time will tell however he’s already made a nice chunk of 🤑 most of it because of how interesting his swing looks!

[@emncaity]

@@MiloLinesGolf So true. If he's smart, he'll adapt as necessary, too.

[@trezmala]

Great video… sad to see no mention of Count Yogi. Or Mike Austin.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Many stories have been told about both men however both were known more as teachers and for the legends told about them and neither won any PGA tour events or Majors.

[@mattbuffardi]

how did byron nelson get away with that much pelvic tilt? wouldn't it restrict lateral bend?

[@thatwilldonicely1314]

sometimes in the quiet of the evening, perhaps one can dream, and swing like Sam Snead.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

ahhh, yes

[@nvdsingh9271]

Why you missed out Mike Austin and Dunaway? Aren’t they major part of golf swing history?

[@60degreelobwedge82]

Another thing that has changed that this video doesn't show is how long they addressed the ball. If you see video of the whole swing, so many of the old guys never stopped moving their feet until they started back with the club. People obsess over their address positions so much more now.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Movement kings!

[@jefferyr.6745]

Where did you get all of this footage??

[@MiloLinesGolf]

I scoured the internet

[@mrsmartypants_1]

You will note that almost all of them have a slight over-the-top move thru Ben Hogan and Sam Sneed. A “pro OTT” move not an amateur hacker/chopper OTT move. A pro OTT move is the downswing is on plane but just over the backswing plane. (This is evident if you were to trace the path of the butt (grip end) throughout the swing from beginning to end.)

[@MiloLinesGolf]

As do I and most of the best modern ball strikers

[@mrsmartypants_1]

@@meyer7262 Ben Hogan had an upright backswing? 😂🤦‍♀️ Umm no 🤡

[@mrsmartypants_1]

@@meyer7262 The ACTUAL swing while hitting the ball is OTT. This is clearly proven in super slo-mo.

[@mrsmartypants_1]

@@meyer7262 Yes it does. And you obviously have the incorrect definition. The best teachers of the game have used the correct definition for many decades. Hackers like you do not know the game intimately. How could you? First you claim Hogan has an upright swing then you admit I’m right. You’re walking talking confusion.

[@mrsmartypants_1]

@@meyer7262 Please see my initial comment lol. You’re lost.

[@batman48195]

I think the reverse C was because they were trying to hit up on the ball to launch it with less spin.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

They did it even with wedges and in that era players launched driver low because the ball spun so much so most didn’t hit up.

[@jacobr4558]

I don't understand how people are assuming that this is easier on the body. To me the joints get way more out of alignment in this type of swing! The knee rotates which it's not meant to do the ankle rotates which it's not meant to do and the hips are turning which doesn't give them a lot of Leverage they're just moving. By way of contrast a modern golf swing all your hips are in alignment if you're getting your hips On A sagittal plane then your knees are flexing and extending as they naturally would your hips are flexing and extending as a Naturally Wood in your ankles are doing nothing manipulative. To me the modern swing loads and unloads in an anatomical way that's healthier for the body. The Classic golf swing especially if you try to create extra power to me would get a lot of joints having problems! If you swing fluidly then fine you'll probably be okay but you'd never generate the speed that the modern swing would in in imo. I'm just saying that I'm tired of being fooled and being lied to and I'm not suggesting that you are. I'm just saying everything that the gulf industry says is that it's easier on your body it's easier on your Technique it's easier to learn no matter which swing they're promoting! There is a lot of deception and bait and switch and gaslighting in the golf industry and it's really getting old! Maybe there should be a thorough study on the amount and frequency of injuries and swing type. There needs to be empirical data on what exactly is healthy and what exactly is not healthy just based on statistics. Because everybody always throws out that this is less prone to injury and this is more prone to injury and it literally changes every month it seems like.

[@mattbuffardi]

it's unbelievable, Mcdonald Smith's swing is identical to the top swings of the PGA today

[@MiloLinesGolf]

yup

[@thomasrichardson-ev1wp]

My father was his caddie for three L A Open wins.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Which golfer?

[@chrisbrimhall1613]

Sam Snead was so athletic…..his flexibility was unbelievable

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Super mobile and strong.

[@barebarekun161]

Surprised you didn't include Mike Austin swing.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Great swing but was never a premier player

[@brucehamilton7702]

Missed Mickey Wright, maybe one of the best classic swings ever. Ben Hogan said she had the best swing he ever saw.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

For sure!

[@frankxaoz1286]

Dustin J has the coolest swing

[@MiloLinesGolf]

It's really good!

[@sevenoranges]

Lovely swings... but to me the takeaway from this video is in their perfect club paths. They all had plenty of motion away from the ball and back laterally to and beyond the ball.

[@billygraham5589]

Anyone: What does "backing out of it" to "give himself more time" mean?

[@ksharpe10]

I will take a stab at this, I think it is standing up motion, it is very timing oriented. They used to teach in 70's posting up on the left leg. Reverse C's today are to be avoided, Most of those guys experienced back problems. Seve, couples. The guys that avoided it, have had longevity, like Tom Kite, Bernard Langer. They used to say that Payne Stewart had one of the prettiest swings ever. Sorry that Milo did not check in and answer you. He is one of the premier teachers today of the modern Rotational swing.

[@christianhanley57]

Great video and insightful commentary. And I really love your teaching approach to the swing. Others classic swingers (or sluggers) I really enjoy watching are J. Boros, T. Lema, and R. De Vicenzo. But maybe my favorite of all swings was female Mickey Wright's kzbin.info/www/bejne/gILLiIWpndhpkNU. I think Hogan said she had the best swing in the game at that time. I'd love to hear your thoughts on some of these other classic swingers sometime, especially Mickey's.

[@johno-gb7ci]

They all come down on a over the top plane.. Take it back on the inside come down over the top.. This is what the over the top miracle swing is talking about.. the compression it put on the ball and shaft is better. Bernard langer Was a good example in his early years.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

We have videos coming soon on this topic, the reverse slot swing. Thanks for watching!

[@singledigits_og]

Just goes to show you, after 150 years, the fundamentals haven't changed!

[@TheNYgolfer]

Nice compilation but you're kind of comparing apples to oranges. Two plane swings vs one plane swings. Arms and hands controlling the pivot swing vs pivot controlled arms and hands swing. Swingers vs. hitters. Many ways to skin a cat in golf (past and present). Each has it's advantages and disadvantages. Which suits a certain golfer best depends on many variables including body size, physical strength, flexibility, athletic ability etc. Where does Moe Norman fit into all of this? He danced to his own drummer. He is probably giving the golfing Gods a clinic as I'm writing this and telling them how great he is..lol

[@MiloLinesGolf]

I don’t buy into the one vs two plane swing stuff. It’s more pivot vs arms powering the swing. Nearly all tour players swings Pre 1968 were pivot driven then it became popular to use more arm drive and pelvic slide now we are seeing a move back towards pivot power.

[@francophillips2156]

You missed Mike Austin. My personal favorite swing of all time.

[@mudddge]

These guys were actually good golfers who won tournaments

[@jacobr4558]

This video is about SWINGS not scoring.

[@gabardjean-paul3779]

How about Calvin PEETE ?

[@davidd1395]

Ralph Guldahl wrote a instruction book, after that he couldn’t play anymore, never got his swing back.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Sadly many players that start down the road of how and why in the swing loose their way.

[@chubeviewer]

modern golf swing causes a lot of strain on the body, unlike this more natural way.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

A lot of different modern golf swings, I just like the idea of putting less strain on the body through movement seen in other sports. More rotational.

[@jameskay7975]

Oh my word, those guys in the 70's must have wrecked their backs

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Some did, but was moreso 80's-90's I'd say.

[@bobwatchit9636]

Mr. Penick said he decided to become a teacher when he heard Snead hit a 3 wood.

[@MiloLinesGolf]

Cool story!