Modern Release Vs Old School Release - Golf Swing Tips - DWG

[@jeffreylord3325]

After this video I went out and shot a 67! I hope the back 9 is better,

[@tqt4670]

Lol😂

[@Mr.Helper.]

Bruh 😂😂

[@Pjkoko]

I went back to the Hogan method and went out and shot 65. You can really cover the ball with forearm rotation. Holding ‘ off’ slows down the arm swing and clubhead speed. OK for short punch shots, some pitches and chips. Nothing new here except hyperbole. Do not make it complicated. Listen to Hogan describe how simple it is. And he could do it!

[@shantsol1]

Double edge sword for me. I’m 54 and self taught, started classical but recently the last several years began the modern in which made me a 4 handicap. I have always been athletic and a excellent basketball player in my young days but old age will catch up with your spine and joints as well as my arthritis problems that has injured my back with the modern swing. Staying fit and working out is key if you want to follow the modern swing, otherwise, like myself I’m forced to go back with the old style and sacrifice a little of my game. Great teaching and explanation by the way. Job well done!

[@nathanhirsch4408]

This felt very strange at first but man, after about an hour of those small practice swings keeping the butt of the club more upright and less "flippy" made a HUGE difference. Thanks Dan!

[@brianc2823]

I’m not sure if I’d call it new school as it was how the 2 best ball strikers of all time controlled the club and both(Ben Hogan and Moe Norman) played well before Els and Rose entered the picture. Controlling the club with the torso is just the correct way doing things. The torso represents 60% of our body mass and the larger mass moves the lesser mass. The torso moves the legs and arms not vice versa. Hands and arms are inconsistent and not good generators of force by themselves. Hogan understood the swing the best and how the body was best utilized. Keep up the good work Cheers

[@jongarrincha6106]

Dan best explanation I’ve seen in a long time on this subject. Thanks

[@geoffdomal5155]

Agreed. This gives validation to exactly what I was working on. I had a mixed version of both swings but now I know what to focus on. Well done, Dan.

[@mattcarr1451]

I stopped playing in 2002 and was a 4handicapper, started playing again in the last 3 months and this battle between old and new swing is really perplexing. I always tried to copy faldos swing, but always battled against my body "doing the work". Now it seems I have to let my body do its thing, and stop the hands. Statement about missi6left and right due to hand action rings very loudly for me! Big push right is my standard miss, and that's when I get the hips and shoulders unwinding hard and fast, and sounds like my hands cant keep up! Found this series of videos really useful 👍🏻thanks

[@ablgolfmom6211]

Matt Carr check out golfletics video on eliminating the stall and you’ll better understand how to make the rotational swing work

[@tonyzacarias3948]

almost same story, I was a 8 handicap an stopped playing 13 years ago, 3 months ago, I took it up again, I'll be 70 next year so the body doesn't quite respond like it used to and the new swing videos are different than what I'm used to, but I think, for me, at my age, it is easier on the body and the timing..

[@jeffberger7890]

Started playing golf in the mid-70’s, where I learned to shove my knees towards the target and roll my hands at impact. Seems part of swing DNA, now.

[@mavallarino]

I know... difficult to rid of bad habits. The modern swing is straighter and more reliable removing all the problems with timing.

[@moonmullins7436]

Nice video, Im a 1970's era taught player whos never changed. I did attempt to change to a modern style swing from around 2008 til 2017, but it was the worst golf I ever played. You have explained the differences great thanks again and keep it up.

[@Golfzilla70]

i think i'm in the same boat. 48 years old and my various parts just don't want to sequence together like they should. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks

[@khanlouis7106]

Very good and clear instructions on release !Thank you very much

[@chestermicek]

Good show. This is very much Peter Finch's golf swing. Yes? I also think there's a third way: if I turn my right knee toward the ball, my body & hands get close to the ball & I just punch out with my right forearm to get a dead straight, powerful shot. Dan, have you seen that technique before?

[@eirikk4702]

Thanks Dan! One of the best videos on this topic

[@frankmontro660]

Best explanation of the modern release. Thank you for sharing. I love this no b.s. consise and easy to understand and apply. Simply brilliant Dan!

[@ram0666]

The idea that its a modern release is just stupid. Funny i guess guys like Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus just had some willy nilly release and never turned left in the golf swing when they played back 27- 60 years ago. Just calling something modern doesnt make it modern. Annika Sorenstam turned left more noticably than anybody and she did it in 1993. Maybe she traveled forward in time and took this modern golf break through back to the early 1990's.

[@stephenblack9843]

Great video Dan. What I especially love is the "if you miss left do this, miss right do this". Love it

[@steveperry1344]

dan, this is very good. i've been working on the pivot driven swing for a couple of years and when it's working good i have real good control and decent distance but i can't always keep it going, always working on it. i'm gonna check out some more of your videos. thnx so much for the help, i'm 73 yrs old and 12 hdcp.

[@楊維賢]

The most important feature of modern release is on how we use the wrists to roll the club. We change the relative position (upper/lower, front/back)and the wrists angeles(close/open) to create power. The palms are thought as barrier for the wrists, so we cock the hands somewhere in backswing then keep the hands cocked as long as possible just like a baseball pitcher or Roger Federer for a powerful draw. Old release style use the palms and gravity to create power. They release the cocked hands first, and the left wrist soon become a barrier to the palm, so the left wrist have to back off to give ways.

[@stepheneastley5398]

Off all the videos you produced this one works best for me in understanding the proper swing sequence. Well done Dan I’ll keep this one for future reference 🤙

[@RC.Time-Crawlers]

Just discovered this channel and I'm liking the very detailed explanation of the golf swing

[@DanWhittakerGolf]

Thanks Robby

[@cr6231]

I was looking for this explanation for a long time now. I stopped playing golf 15 years ago because of lower back issues, my Dr asked me when is my back sore, I said after playing golf, he said stop playing golf and I did. I am playing again for 9 months and it was great until a month ago when the pain started again after a weekend game. It is very clear to me now that my lower body stopped rotating and I am swinging against it with my arms, thus the all of a sudden left and right shots. I am going to work on this body rotation as I already understand the "flat" wrist at impact if this makes sense, thank you.

[@Mighelev]

Excellent video Dan!!! Just been to the range to work on this and actually started to hit a little draw with the swing thoughts you suggest!!

[@franz289]

Dan, Its called a modern swing today but David Duval has been using this swing throughout his career. TV announcers even commented that he can swing with his body inside a barrel because there are no lateral movements to his hips.

[@gilgarza2903]

I believe Jesper Parnevik has a similar swing from 20+ yrs ago. 3/4 swing with a short follow through. Kept the ball low and on line. Worked great with 6i - wedges.

[@RavivDental]

Great explanation of a topic that’s not discussed much but makes a big difference 👍🏻

[@mizunoMP100]

Nice touch mentioning Collin Morikawa in the same league as DJ and Brooks considering this was recorded a year ago.

[@toneabet6252]

Hello Dan thanks for the video. How much tension is in the hands, wrists, shoulders etc? Do we still keep everything very relaxed?

[@hittitecharioteer]

Another worthwhile and interesting video for students of the golf swing to consider and absorb. My own thoughts on this are pretty much the same, in that I played the game with this modern technique all my golfing years - long before it was labelled 'modern' as in Dan's video. I was self-taught using Ben Hogan's five modern fundamentals. I copied much of his technique to the best of my ability (except, NOT the left wrist pronation on the back swing - an aberration rooted in the limitations of the equipment he played with). What Hogan demonstrated was a squaring-off technique by rotating the body. Coupled with holding-off the club lag to the very last moment, Hogan was almost aiming to 'release' after and beyond impact, i.e. no flipping of the hands. Plenty of video showing Hogan doing this; and he was doing this in the 1950s. Curiously, if you look at KZbin swing analysis of Koepka and Johnson, they look really similar to Hogan from the delivery through impact and the eventual 'release to finish'.

[@ram0666]

For this guy to say that turning or swing left wasnt taught during the 90's and that its the modern idea about a square club face is just nonsense.Calling it "modern' is just a way to brand the information because who would want out dated info. The reality is the only people that believe its modern are people who didnt play golf when it was the modern idea in the 90's. Just like the rest of media truth and reality arent as appealing as a brand new shiny get good at golf in 2 weeks super tip.

[@anthonysoule4278]

Good stuff, can’t wait for the weather to cooperate!

[@Kazyman]

Excellent instructional, Dan. You might want to follow up with my "skipping a rock" analogy to my former students. What I mean is to take on the same spine posture as when skipping a flat rock across a body of water. So many amateurs 'stand up' through the shot, thus turning it into more of a baseball swing than that of a golf swing, which usually has less than stellar results. In other words, KEEP YOUR 'AT ADDRESS' SPINE ANGLE THROUGHOUT THE SWING. Think of your torso as a cement truck that whirls around in order to keep the cement moving. As far as I see it, this is a most overlooked necessity as per the mechanics of an effective golf swing. If you practice 'skipping a rock' (with no rock, of course) while you're stretching before a round of golf or on the range, you'll find that the motion is much akin to that of a sound golf swing, so....go skip a rock, fellow golfers.

[@rdam50]

Very interesting video! When I learnt to play, some 55 years ago..., it was indeed all about "good hands". Also, nowadays they all finish with a straight left leg, whereas we were "sliding" our legs towards the target. I have tried to change it, but I have given up. I'm just a regular hcp 9 weekend player, not an athlete...........So I keep plodding around with my old swing. But I'm going to try out this modern release, just for the hack of it. Thanks for the video!

[@chrismcmorrow9738]

Hi, Dan. It seems to me that what you are advocating here is The Hogan Swing. And though I could be wrong, it seems to me that most of today’s modern players are simply trying to imitate Mr. Hogan. Thank you for your terrific work.

[@davidgovan9533]

Well said, and well demonstrated. This is truly "today's" golf swing.

[@deantonna]

Great video Dan and fantastic explanation of the body swing v arm swing. I’ve come back to golf after a 10 year rest and using the body rotation swing,leaving the hands and arms completely out of it. I’m getting much more consistency this way. The wristy hands swing will give a bit more distance but isnt very reliable under pressure and is difficult to replicate over a full round.There’s a reason the top pros don’t swing like that these days.They are all rotation and sawn off finishes,hence more consistency and accuracy.

[@ianh8396]

This all sound brilliant, just one point though, when I keep my right wrist in this angle I think I am gripping the club too tight.

[@SONOMA_VALLEY_TOM]

Great instruction. A comic book realization light bulb lighted up above my head as he demonstrated the swing. Best golf video I've seen in the past 6 weeks!

[@kennyg63]

Very objective video. Do you have an opinion on what older less athletic players should be emphasizing. It seems like a 2 way miss would be acceptable to a higher handicap less athletic player searching for distance.

[@jukkakymalainen]

Very good explaining and i mostly agree. Tour players are using more body release. Also average tour player is about 30 years old, plays 100 rounds and go gym. When normal weekend player try to turn fast with bad posture you may have some problems. Whit wrist you can get more "easy" speed.

[@TheMcfreeze]

I have a slight chicken wing that helps me keep the ball straight. I tried to switch to this body swing and I draw everything. It would take me two years to change to this. I hit my 4 iron 195 yards on a straight line with a slight chicken wing. I just worry about my face being on my target for that split second. I don't want to hit a draw on every ball. It is too hard to control it.

[@ghardieno8]

Dan, I needed this video. Thank you

[@maralvor]

Terrific Dan! Thanks so much.Regards Ian

[@jeroenheldoorn9525]

You learn more by seeing then by listening !!

[@SB-sp5vd]

You have made me realise I need to slow my arm swing down as my body isnt fast enough during downswing to catch up, thanks Dan!

[@robsaxepga]

Better player lesson. Great to see for a change. Thanks!

[@samj5957]

Really fitted in well with your single axis vs double axis vid of a couple days ago. Great Vid!

[@alvor2762]

Great explanation and demonstration - thank you.

[@bgoggin88]

@Dan Whitaker Golf how's this holding up over the years? I keep coming back to this video and trying to figure out my swing. I basically do modern swing with driver and hit a little fade and do old school release power hook with everything else.

[@simonbaines535]

Works for tour players, sadly I have to make a living sitting on my back side for half the day , so my body is not tuned like tour players, I lose too much speed personally. However my old school release always misses the right side of the course , so cant agree on the 2 way miss personally .

[@ocdchaos5580]

Good stuff here. I’ve always been a handsy player. It gives me speed, but also lots of two way misses. This will help me work on a new technique. 👍

[@nostromorob]

I think I'm doing the modern release on my 8 o'clock pitch shots but the old school release on everything else. My 8 o'clock pitch shots have a different feel and is my most accurate part of my game.

[@ubute]

Good overview, better than anything I've heard, broadly it's correct, specifically it's wrong. The first swing can be fully optimised once you learn how to correctly release the clubhead- the 2nd one can't, there is built in variability in delivery of the clubhead with this release that's just my view.

[@kdub3288]

Yea I agree with you. We could be wrong but this swing feels extraordinarily unnatural to me and I feel like I have to really jerk my body just to get power and get through the ball. Where as the other way I can generate speed with a flick and I’ve gotten pretty good at controlling the direction regardless of how much power I put into it. I started running into problems when I didn’t know they were two totally separate swings and I was trying elements from each swing and it just didn’t work obviously. Knowing this now, I think I’ll stick with what I’m good at which is an unconscious reactionary release swing. I am able to get my head down and watch my club get through the ball on the line I want.

[@tthompson9509]

Just learning how to golf recently. I can't seem to correct a chicken wing swing. I think this will help with my release. Thank you, Dan!

[@ricchrono5907]

good drills and indicator displayed, I will work on it accordingly.

[@davidjohnson5451]

Great video Dan. Been trying to get this release for a better part of this season.

[@squint-]

Dan, That was a great explanation. My confusion is over. The confusion of hearing the various forms of instruction that was different from how I was taught... but not realizing it. I was taught to release the wrist. I’ve always had bad misses left and right, but I could hit it long with a tremendous amount of spin. This newer technique appears to deliver more consistent/tighter “direction” when mistakes are made due to the slowing of the face turning over. I have struggled with back issues since I was 17 from a herniated disc. I’m 50 now and the back is tighter than ever from the injury, other health issues and getting older. I believe this new technique might be beneficial to my back and enable me to play golf longer and more often. I will begin my transformation this afternoon. Thanks Dan.

[@DanWhittakerGolf]

Excellent news, great to hear it

[@ablgolfmom6211]

squint0269 if you’re interested in keeping your back safe you should check out my coaches video on a rotational swing that is safe for your back it changed my world. Mr Whitaker should check it out as well it might be information that could save some students down the road.

[@renesajan]

A unique video, thank you

[@robertsolachnek7493]

hi,still need good hand around the green and putting..thanks

[@jamesandresen4927]

I'm working on doing this release and the ball striking is amazing (when done well). I would like you to spend more time on trouble shooting the results. In other words, if you miss left or right what happened and what is the correct fix.

[@squint-]

James Andresen Yeah... What he said. More Dan. More. I’m gonna need some fixes converting over to this.

[@Drodrod]

Another great video, you helped me tremendously with all your videos.

[@dr.modevast1953]

Thank you

[@thomasmyers2288]

So, I've messed up my back doing the 'new school' method and so did Woods. Ive settled somewhere between the two shown here to try and balance out the pros and cons. Most pros if you watch their swings, they are stopping their bodies and releasing!

[@kdub3288]

Yea I instantly was thinking isn’t this a lot of strain on your upper and probably even knees by having so much torque in turning? No thanks, I’m a big time golfer and don’t want to screw up my back when I get older.

[@wonderjesus]

Very good sir

[@1664Louis]

Awesome explanation

[@garthly]

Looks to me like you might be right, but still, I think it is good to experience the way a closing club face causes the ball to accelerate off the club. Then you can close it albeit mainly with your body turn, rather than hanging back trying to make the club travel straight and getting an almighty slice like a huge number of amateurs do.

[@dannymarks841]

Hi good stuff is the driver and three wood the same

[@joshuazwilling8989]

Can you do a video like this with the driver and hitting it this way on the up swing? There are a lot of instructors like yourself putting videos like this out but it seems like it's always with an iron and a descending blow which I believe some research has concluded makes the face slightly open to the path according to trackman. So with the driver and an ascending blow the face would be more closed to the path and therefore totally different. I hit my irons with this new release very well but the driver or anything with an ascending blow I still struggle with.

[@tmc3980]

Yes I’m exactly the same. Need help with the driver and ascending blow.

[@riverreasteve]

Using the modern release method that Dan speaks about above I find that I have a tendency to lift up off the ball, come off it as some people say. Going back to the Old School Release method Im finding that this helps me "stay down" on the shots. Does anyone else find this ?

[@langers1972pl]

brilliant, Dan...

[@orangefelines]

Thank you...

[@rpmfoto]

Your best video Dan!

[@donniefry2491]

Ben Hogan was the best at the modern day release. Watch his swing videos..way ahead of his time!

[@robsaxepga]

I'm not sure but he may have been the first high level player to do this. He's the first one I see exiting left in all the swings I've studied. Thank goodness he needed to control that hook lol

[@楊維賢]

@@robsaxepga me too. I found Gary Player also swing in the same way as Ben Hogan, but Gary still alive at more than 90, so he could not be the first. Both are "mini" player with 170cm height and 65kg weight, so they had to yield a more efficient and powerful way to swing for surviving in the PGA tour.

[@banditbaker1675]

Great explanation, many thanks

[@easye4171]

This modern release seems a bit harder on the body than the old school. one could also argue it takes just as much practice and timing to rotate the body quick enough to generate the speed. lastly, the modern swing lacks an apparent rhythm that is challenging and unappealing. I don't see any differences in terms of distance and accuracy with old school swings (mickelson, daly, couples, bubba) and the new guys. I think the newer release does allow for a potentially less skilled golfer to get good in the game by training and powering through with little finesse. the tour pros and high level amateurs will likely gravitate to more of an old school release as they age. BTW, Justin Rose actually does have more of an old school release. He is a modern Sam Snead in that he uses moderate amounts of ground force, body rotation, as well as club face rotation; it is a nice blend, but not a modern, stable release.

[@angelalowe377]

Omg this works, I've got over 30 years of bad old school programming to get rid of. Bookmarked

[@razakhan999]

great video dan!!! thanks for sharing

[@jacobr4558]

Sounds like you mention 1. Roll release(Rory, Cantlay) 2. Hold release(spieth, Norin) What about an under roll? More of a reverse roll? Isn't that what Koepka and DJ do? Koepka is SUPER handsy at impact but it's definitely not rolling. Woodland does tons of body turn but I don't think most pros swing like him.

[@injuredtabletennisplayer1474]

So good thanks.

[@DutchUnderpar]

Do you also keep connection between your right upperarm and ribcage during the backswing Dan?

[@joshleech8146]

Mike Orban I use this swing and keep (or feel like I’m keeping) the right upper arm connection the entire swing. Best ball striking I’ve ever had. It takes a ton of timing and moving parts out of the swing.

[@mavallarino]

Missing explanation of desired divot shape. I’ve been working on on this. Difficult to commit when playing since I revert back to low trailing shoulder and old habits when on the course.

[@pauledw]

Great video, subscribed, thanks!

[@joeargenziano5427]

started playing again early January this year, shooting low 90s consistently. Recently got a golf coach and he is def teaching me the 'old school" hands release, i do leave the club face a tad open and hit week fady shots with irons at times so possibly he is making me feel my hands turn thru more to solve it? would love some input by anyone

[@harrisonmiller3786]

Hi Dan, new to golf and this video has helped alot, can I take this swing into any club? Including the driver?

[@johnnyberglund841]

Hi Dan, Myself, pga retired. See myself In your place, instruction. If a golfer is a audiell pearson your lessen is perfect, nice. If pupil is like me, a audio/ visuell, only show 1 swing it is not enough? I did 5/7 swings and talk in my time as professional, still nice clip from You, By from Johnny80+

[@staticstephen]

Great video dan 👍👍👍

[@williamkerner]

I've done both. However, the "new release" is more accurate but it is a slower release therefore you will have less distance. I hit my 7 iron 125 with the "new" release and with my older release I hit it 150 yards.

[@peterlund6495]

Great video Dan, the old school swingers were more upright, as aposed to the modern day golfer could you do a video on that or is that covering the same ground cheers Peter

[@oregieman]

Dan a great vid with really helpful content. You have linked the modern game to athletes and I’m sure most watches would not fall into that category. So what advice to those who may not have the core strength and ability to separate their hips to create the reactive motion and function of the turn through with the upper body as the elite players do so well now...as you say, the modern swing?

[@misterjaypeasmith]

Really insightful

[@楊維賢]

I believe this way of swing must make sure on: Both arms joints must be driven by relative parts of the right side of body, in contrast to Tiger Woods style, he aligns to the left side. Shoulders should be sticked firmly and driven by chest mucule. Both elbows should be on the same side and driven by the right belly side. Wrists to the right groin line. Hands to the leg.

[@scottlang7130]

So does this mean to start the down swing we need to move arms first? Get them down then move everything in sync? Seems like to do this you can no longer rip your hips to start the backswing

[@Robert-ts2ef]

So does the lower half and upper half and the arms and hands all move at the same time on the downswing?

[@dannylaw7367]

Nice work. The world of golf is full of teachers that can't teach, nor can they hit a consistent shot, and you have the reason why here.

[@pierregodeau4286]

Only just found this shit out and it's transformed my game. Luckily I'm only 42 and can adjust. I just keep the face closed on take back and use rotation to bring face around. Creates a nice draw for me.

[@michaelscore6763]

Hallo Dan! Thanks for your explanation and showing us differences in swings. But I do not agree with your headline that there is a difference between "old school" and "new school" of relase in the golf swing. The players learnd systematic since Faldo won the first time in augusta a "bodyrealise" and that the "big muscels" are controlling the swing of the golfclub. They tearn, that it is more simpel controlling the body than the hands. And leadbetter teached faldo getting control over his body so that the hands can follow him and the clubface is square at the impact. Since more than 30 years the tournaments are won with this way playing golf. It's not new that tnhe hands should be "before" the ball in the hitting moment and that you have open your body so that the hands get the place to go through the ball. The differnce between the past time and now is, that the young players learn it from the first lesson so that the coordination is much better than in the past. And also the grip is changed a littel bit in the last 30 years, you can see it extreme at Dechambeaux: The club is more hold in the hand than with the fingers so that the left hand becomes more "neutral" and the impact is more stabil - but you need more flexibility in the body for making a good impact. In the result: more neutral hands, better release in the body (legs and hips for all) - longer shots like DJ, John Rahm and others. If you learn it as a child, you have it for the lifetime. Thanks for your vids!

[@RobMcGarr]

Really good stuff this Dan 👌👏

[@jariviitanen9485]

Modern way description summary 11:30

[@BlakeMarceauxGolf]

I think the old style is very very solid but the modern is very good too, I use both techniques but with the crossover release it goes so far 330 on great day

[@kristjanhjelm749]

It make sense when you think it through

[@gazevans5992]

Dan when do the wrists turn over in the swing or when are they supposed to? Because when I look at someone like Rory Mcilroy as soon as he’s hit the ball his wrists turn over straight away to the point where his wrists are actually touching. I’ve tried this but end up hooking the ball badly.

[@method341]

try moving the ball position around. Rory plays his ball pretty far back and plays a push draw

[@dannyfitlife405]

Didn’t Hogan release this modern way? Great video 👍👌🏌️‍♂️💯

[@steveking2144]

What about with the driver? Same or different?

[@kfoody]

Wow! You’re pretty brilliant brother. Really enjoyed this - I couldn't help but think that this is exactly the key to Tom Watson's swing AND to the longevity of success he's enjoyed. Everyone says his swing hasn't changed in the 40+ years he's been competitive and it's because he's had such a rotational swing. Well done mate!

[@paulraynor2520]

Brilliant explanation Dan...thanks! More of the same please.