The Clone Wars Isn't good

#TheCloneWars #StarWars #JarJar
The first angry Star Wars video. fight me.

[@thehale_]

In the Ahsoka segment, you forgot to mention how it makes zero sense for Anakin to be given an apprentice. The Jedi Order doesn’t trust him at all throughout all 3 of the prequels, but they for some reason trust him to have an influence on Ahsoka.

[@francescapatti2934]

Yeah I always thought that too. But then I was like "I really like Anakin and Ahsokas character arc is great, so I actually dont care" Like I still think its a bit weird of course. But I enjoy it, so it doesnt ruin anything for me.

[@thehale_]

@@francescapatti2934 Oh yeah, there’s absolutely a lot of cool stuff that came from Ahsoka and Anakin (somewhat) growing up together. Not denying that. But for the sake of consistency in the narrative, none of it makes sense. And it’s sometimes hard to ignore, since the characters involved in this semi-plot hole are pretty major.

[@codycallaway9057]

He needs an apprentice to become a night so he can become a Jedi master

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@thehale_ Also, as mentioned in the video, Anakin doens´t act like in the prequels. He is a cool and mostly happy guy. His slow corruptin with the dark side doesn´t show throught the series with some rare exceptions, like the conflict with Clovis. Even in the last season when the timeline meets the prequels timeline and he falls to the dark side, there is no foreshadowing. He is the same cool, happy TCW Anakin, then Order 66 happens and he´s Vader in the last episode.

[@tfwnoyandere]

and she is also never mentioned or thought about again for the remaining 4 movies

[@papawedge7396]

A couple of corrections: In the time before Episodes I-III, they weren't allowed to make stories in the time of the Clone Wars (Anakin's backstory, young Obi-Wan, etc.) but they were allowed to make stories far into the past, that's when the Tales of the Jedi comic series was created in 1993, which was the basis for the entire Old Republic era, including KOTOR. The Dathomir witches were shown, in their first appereance in the novel "The Courtship of Princess Leia" their appereance and the planet's heavily contradict what is shown in TCW, in the show they completely ignored how the Dathomir Witches, Dathomir itself, and the Nightsisters are supposed to be like and decided to do their own thing.

[@saberiandream316]

Your information is a bit off-base. They WERE allowed to make stories with young Obi-Wan starting in 1999, and that was the Jedi Apprentice YA series.

[@papawedge7396]

​@@saberiandream316 Yes but that is after Episode I''s story was made and in the same year it would release. its not the time before the Prequels, its around the time of the prequels. The point is that Lucas didint allow it until the information from the movies was known, Jedi Apprentice is made based on information that is known thanks to Episode I, regardless of if it was public or not, the movie was already done.

[@anthonygarcia8749]

Kotor is all fan fic crap and goes against what George had intended on top of the fact that the old republic is THE republic shown in the prequels and the one that had formed AFTER the sith had killed themselves. Never was any war between jedi and sith. Made up nonsense to appease fanboys.

[@saberiandream316]

@@anthonygarcia8749 Yes, and that's why the whole EU was thrown out once Disney had the full rights - as if they were the ones who didn't consider it canon or something.

[@Alopkaable]

@@anthonygarcia8749 Clone wars is all fanfic crap.

[@bonejuice4280]

I've been the only problem with ahsoka is she's Anakin's apprentice she could have been anybody's apprentice but they chose him and he makes no mention of her in revenge of the sith nobody does

[@sochioranmyaku]

Exactly. She could have been anyone else’s. Padawan and be the same character. I always thought this. She had a friendship with Plo Koon- it could have easily been him as her master. She could have just been good friends with Anakin who was only a short time removed from being a padawan himself.

[@adamapex7501]

And the worse part is she is the main character of clone wars

[@jaydenc367]

@@adamapex7501 Not really but her being a major character is not bad

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

Her not being mentioned was excusable from seasons 1 to 6. Season 7 made her lack of mention inexcusable

[@Jiub_SN]

@@jaydenc367 who gets developed? Who do we follow frequently? I'd argue she's the lead protagonist if not the only one

[@zombiekillo61704]

It's treason then... *Activates Lightsaber*

[@SayChuslimandPorkgaystanifUgly]

ok fucking mad sw fan

[@Palest_being]

Me when he talks about grievous: you are among this council Maul: but we do not grant you the rank of master

[@wwmandalore]

The Dark Horse comics is way better.

[@illegalpancakes4594]

You have spoken truth. I read all of the dark horse comics as a kid before the show was even announced, I went back and re-visited them when I started working on this video, turns out not only do they hold up, but they are way better than I remembered.

[@wwmandalore]

@@illegalpancakes4594 my friend used to like TCW, but I let him borrow my DH comics. Yeah, he's not a fan anymore. LOL

[@simpleclonetrooper2740]

They're good but there are many things I dont like about them.

[@dtxspeaks268]

@@simpleclonetrooper2740 well the DK comics are still better than TCW and even the Prequels

[@newsesofworlds543]

clones are meant to be genetically identical, but personalities are not just based on genetics. plenty of identical twins have very different personalities for instance.

[@BOKCJaye513]

yea this whole video is a joke loll

[@AdiPad-]

Several studies find that twins seperated at both that reunite tend to have near identical personalities compared to those who grow up together because of the desire to be more individual from their counterparts. Just like clones.

[@dtxspeaks268]

I'm sorry, but Rey IS NOT well written 😂

[@exilery9180]

fr idk why he said that abominable shit

[@ramkemo2502]

Neither Ahsoka.

[@StolasOffspring]

@@ramkemo2502hard cap keep coping

[@TikkiYT]

All jokes aside, as a clone wars fan and sequels hater I probably prefer the force awakens Rey to Clone Wars Movie Ashoka. People seem to forget how fucking annoying she was in the start. 😂

[@groshy_1516]

Yeah but she is

[@adamapex7501]

The worse part is anakin isn’t the main character off the show Ahsoka is

[@illegalpancakes4594]

the problem is no one is a character besides her. this show has so many anthology episodes and not a single person gets a character arc, asides from Ashoka

[@Deity_devil]

@@illegalpancakes4594 ventress gets a character arc

[@elias.b4560]

Anakin was never supposed to be the main character in TCW lmao the show is just about clones mostly

[@angerami77]

Anakin 100% is the main character

[@sicksadworld765]

He literally is

[@The_Punisher]

I sense hate coming your way

[@zombiekillo61704]

Agreed

[@taunttitan1714]

"Your Boos mean nothing I've seen what makes you cheer" This line is generally perfect in all honesty

[@dirtegarbage]

literally a rick and morty line

[@Gingermaas]

12:45 It’s pretty ironic that you use George Lucas to attempt to aid your point about General Grievious sucking in the show when General Griveous was made cowardly at the request of George Lucas so he would be less like Vader.

[@idkstudios4412]

Even though originally he got to be badass and then had a reason for being cowardly in the movie all done by Lucas. lol ok.

[@soulsearcher9620]

The cause of an issue doesn't negate the fact that it's an issue

[@ECSOrder66]

Uh, what is your point? He caused the issue. That doesn't automatically mean the issue is gone just because "he did it" The issue is still there, we just now know who put it here.

[@sixersmixers9521]

The biggest issue I have is that the clone wars tv show failed to show us the proper impacts of the war what I mean is the war left planets unrecognisable billions of refugees it did sort of show that the galaxy was kind of running out of money as a whole because of the war and the Battles they showed didn’t give a brutal type of war sense and any way a galaxy wide war shouldn’t be fought by ground assaults but space dog fights should’ve happened more than the amount of ground assaults we saw

[@Master-Works]

I didn’t like that the Jedi and Clone Troopers committed Warcrimes and got praised for it

[@DEGROOT-if9ol]

Battle of umbara

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@Master-Works Boo-Karen commited terr0rism, slavery, mass murder and sexual abuse of minors, but she became the yes-slay-queen of Mandalore because the script says so. She was even put into thsi position of power thanks to her former victim Ahwoka. This is the worst writing I have ever seen in any piece of fiction. It is so toxic it makes Chernobyl reactor a safe place.

[@thedarkestfateful]

TCW introduced a lot of new characters and had a few good arcs, but it did introduce us to Anakin having a Padawan when it didn’t make sense contextually, especially not leading up to ROTS, when the whole point was that he trusted the Chancellor wholeheartedly and was isolated and distrusted by his fellow Jedi. It left him prey to a lot of the Chancellor’s manipulations. Anakin struggled a lot with his inner demons, especially with the stress of a secret marriage, and for him to undertake the mentoring and training of a Padawan doesn’t seem like something the Council would trust him with even if Obi-Wan was the one who suggested it in the first place. Genndy Tartakovsky’s version actually lines up perfectly with ROTS and the characterization of Anakin made sense as it showed a deeply troubled young man who wanted to help the people he cared for but was also prone to giving into his anger. It also showed how the Council knights Anakin during the war, which Filoni’s TCW doesn’t. By having Anakin be this mature, level-headed Jedi Knight (despite being a Padawan in AoC) who wisely mentors a Padawan then it’s way harder for us to believe this is the same guy who fell to the dark side. It also means there’s no character development for him. We don’t get to see him struggle or journey through the clone wars, learn lessons or even see his volatile nature. While I grew to like the character of Ahsoka, I felt like Filoni focused on her quite a bit and to the detriment of Anakin Skywalker. This show was supposed to lead up to the events of ROTS but all it did was basically focus on a secondary character and not on Anakin Skywalker, you know, the guy who eventually becomes Darth Vader…

[@enrico1pucci]

you really didnt watch CW right?

[@aarkproductions]

@@enrico1pucci ahsoka constantly calls him master when he was denied the rank of master in episode 3 He's a jedi knight He's not supposed to have a padawan I'm not against her being in the series but give her to obiwan or just make her an apprentice of someone else

[@bingobongo8701]

If you think anakin is a " secondary character " you never watched the show lol, he has countless arcs

[@saintfreezy6914]

@@aarkproductionsknights have padawans. Obi-Wan was given to Qui-Gon as a KNIGHT and so was Anakin to Obi-Wan

[@aarkproductions]

@@saintfreezy6914 it's still messed up

[@FrostedBasil]

Didn't know others felt the way I do about this show. I was thinking about making a series of videos about why I couldn't care less for CW 2008, not because I wanna start a flame war but just to share the fact that I feel utterly stuck in pre 2008 Star Wars. That's besides the point though. Truly, CW 2008 has few redeeming qualities to me when I consider what it could've been. What time and effort they gave Ashoka, Bo Katan, Rey's mom, and the numerous side characters, they could have given to Grievous and Dooku. They could have made those two characters far more sympathetic and enjoyable to watch than what we saw in the prequels but instead the focus was to make the jedi order basically evil and the separatists a bunch of cowardess roaches, at least that's the vibe I got. And the clones........ So Captain Fordo from the og CW was one of my favorite characters because he was no nonsense and got the job done without a word. Now he's gone into the void of the EU and replaced with soft baked Melbourne Aussies with what feel like your basic office insecurities. There are times when the problems really are upscaled and there's some weight but that just adds to the fact that, in the old CW, those problems didn't exist because they were cold, uncompromising clones. Clones used to feel like they were made of tougher stuff physically, mentally, and emotionally. Now they get curb stomped by a few tiny mando girls. Seriously, clones, made from the template of the most dangerous jedi murdering bounty hunter in the galaxy, trained from birth to do nothing but eliminate any threat by any means necessary...... legit bodied by a chick half their size in the final season. They're just embarrassing. I refuse to fully acknowledge Grievous's homicide, as the weakness contained in his canon appearance is too fragile to be described in words. He's most of the reason I loath the show in comparison to the og CW. Nah, there's so much to dislike about the show, feels like the firewall against criticism that the fans have set up is too strong to get through. It's like the show is untouchable and anyone who has a problem with it is objectively dead wrong.

[@illegalpancakes4594]

Everything you just said is true

[@illegalpancakes4594]

@General Skywalker Its Omega now.

[@illegalpancakes4594]

@General Skywalker Totally is bro. She's a clone of Palpatine. That's my theory.

[@whoami4352]

Well you are wrong tho LMFAO. Your opinion is irrelevant and the clones In general are way more superior than the clones in that trash 2003 series. Stay mad that it's better than your fav show

[@ECSOrder66]

@@illegalpancakes4594 No, it's Miramir. Miramir isn't a clone of Palpatine, the clone of Palpatine is Dathan, Rey's father, who married Miramir, who is theorized to be Kenobi's brother's daughter, this making Rey a Kenobi.

[@mrcat3493]

I really hate the animation style of Clone Wars and Rebels.

[@Jahsimba0849]

Are you laced

[@dominothealphaandomega5512]

2003 Clone Wars > Star: The Clone Wars: Wars 2003 Clone wars had beautiful Animation for more than one Season, Great Stories, and great characters, it also perfectly fits into canon

[@kecksbelit3300]

Bro the nearly never talked in 2003 show it was just like one of thes animes where everyone is stupidly Overpowered. The clone wars actually not only shows but tells the storys goes into darker stuff escpecially with maul it's way better

[@Martin-zg7hx]

Nah, is boring AF, clone wars 2008 is babies grounds, man only watch legends and 2003 clone wars. @@kecksbelit3300

[@dtxspeaks268]

@@kecksbelit3300 not everybody in 2003 CW is overpowered like Windu was, and that was only because it was stylelized cartoon. And it's not an anime like you TCW kids like to call it. Also bringing Maul back to life is dumb. 2003 Clone Wars did the Clone Wars, Anakin's character, Anakin and Obi Wan's friendship, Grevious and CIS better than your precious Prequel Trilogy and TCW did.

[@kecksbelit3300]

@@dtxspeaks268 cry louder the 2003 anime sucked compared to actual star wars

[@dtxspeaks268]

@@kecksbelit3300 a) it's not an anime b) if "real Star Wars" to you is Jar Jar Binks, midichlorians, Grevious and Dooku having their characters butchered, space diners, constant retcons like Ahsoka being Anakin's padawan or Jango not being a Mandalorian or R2 having rockets under his wheels, or the trash Disney is making, then you have ZERO grounds to talk about what makes a good Star Wars story and I refuse to take your opinion on storytelling, character development or film seriously. Your generation grows up on garbage like this and the Sequel trilogy, the MCU, the new Fast & Furious films and Frozen and now you all think you're film or storytelling experts even though you base your "expertise" off of trash cinema and mediocre TV shows.

[@FritzMonorail]

I only watched Star Wars in the first place because I was watching Clone Wars. I'm a fan of animation and I approached the show from the perspective of someone who really enjoys American action cartoons. The first two or three seasons are a little rough but I'd still rather watch the first season of Clone Wars again than Phantom Menace. I did like watching the animation get better every season. You could tell there was a lot of passion behind it. It felt like a show that worked hard to be better every season and had to fight for the right to exist do to production circumstances beyond its control. With all the budget issues, gaps in production and cancellations its a miracle it came together as smoothly as it did, and while there were some issues I admire how ambitious it was, especially since so many cartoons like it aren't able to last nearly as long. It was a show that ranged from ok to brilliant and I think the ok moments where worth it for that brilliance. It doesn't surprise me that there are people who hate Clone Wars though because Star Wars fans are never happy with anything.

[@dirtegarbage]

Most of the complainers of the show are either mad that its too kid friendly or that it changed some random minor lore. Obviously the show could have been way better but that goes for any piece of media.

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@dirtegarbage not to mention how much it would cost to cover the whole EU Clone Wars.

[@sicksadworld765]

@@dirtegarbageClone Wars is literally way more brutal than all Star Wars movies combined lmao

[@dirtegarbage]

@@sicksadworld765 it depends

[@tfwnoyandere]

@@sicksadworld765 are you blind? go watch anakin getting burned to a crisp and having his flesh incinerated before obi wans eyes before you go touting your childrens cartoon like its dark

[@thepartydontstoptilliwalkin]

I think the fact that even the fans admit that you can/should skip the first 2-3 seasons speaks volumes.

[@eiden5778]

I don’t agree at all

[@simpleclonetrooper2740]

I don't think you should there are good stories in there.

[@Tyler_W]

Skip whole seasons? Nonsense. Skip some story arcs it you only want the good to great ones. Thankfully most of those are in the first two seasons, but the good still outweighs the bad or just okay. I thought it was reasonably entertaining early on, but it was a rarity in the way that it generally improved overall with each season.

[@jon....]

I don't understand how that's an endictment of the show as a whole though. You are acting as if people saying that because the whole show is low quality and season 1-2 are just extra bad; that is not the case. Season 3 onwards has OBJECTIVELY (literally inarguable) great storylines and world building. Stuff the easily clears the bar for what you could consider "good Star Wars content", as well as just being great storytelling in its own right. It's crazy the confirmation bias going on here, TCW is great.

[@francescapatti2934]

No we dont. Definitely skip some episodes if you want. I skip the sillier ones on rewatches too, but definitely dont skip seasons. Like even the release wise very first episode (the one on Toidaria with the Clones and Yoda..ambush I think) already gives you like the vibe of the Jedi and the Clones.

[@Jared_Wignall]

The 2003 Clone Wars is the only important Clone Wars. It goes well if one watches Episodes I-VI in order and ends with you wanting more, yet satisfied with what you got. It also ties into Revenge of the Sith extremely well in the end.

[@delta2372]

The multi media comics and novels are also much better than the CGI show.

[@PatoChu]

how is it the only important Clone Wars?? That one is quite literally not canon anymore

[@delta2372]

@@PatoChu and here we go with that tired old argument, at this point this point flying pigs with lasers could invade the galaxy and be called canon and it would still be better than the shit disney has given us

[@PatoChu]

@@delta2372 I dont think you understood me correctly. What I meant was, how is 2003 Clone Wars more IMPORTANT than 2008 Clone Wars when the newer clone wars is the only one canon and the only one that actually affects the SW universe.

[@delta2372]

@@PatoChu 2003 is part of a series of comics and games called the clone wars multi media project, allot of the stuff in there DOES affect the star wars universe, but since there isn't any any under age alien wank spank material called "ashoka" you TCW fans don't care, not like I ever expect you filoni fans to pick up a comic.

[@emmmmmmmmmmi]

I was watching the Clone Wars recently and there was one minor character in two episodes who was treated in a way that stood out to me. Padme has a housekeeper named Tekla who is a working-class mom. Rather than give this woman a pay raise to this lady, who literally says in the show that she can barely feed her child, Padme uses her as an example in her Senate speech for why they need to pass a law or something and everyone applauds for some reason. It was confusing and made Padme look shitty. If this woman couldn't afford food despite working for Padme full time, and the writers want to make Padme look like a good person, Padme should've simply... given her a raise? She uses this woman's struggles to boost her own political agenda without doing anything to help her? If it came out that a politician was underpaying their staff while using them as props, that would 100% be used by opponents to make them look bad. And then, Tekla fucking DIES sacrificing herself for an espionage mission Padme sent her on. Not only was she under paying her, but she made this poor woman risk her life doing something that not only wasn't in her contract but was also... illegal? How many people have sacrificed their lives for Padme at this point? Lol. I know it's very minor and I haven't heard anyone point this out, but it highlights just how messy the writing of this show was and how the writers were totally clueless about what kind of moral lesson or political conflict they were even trying to spell out.

[@Mouse_Metal]

The writers apparently have no moral compass. Boo-Karen commited terr0rism, slavery, mass murder and sexual abuse of minors, but she became the yes-slay-queen of Mandalore because the script says so. She was even put into this position of power thanks to her former victim Ahwoka who also gets away with terrible behavior through the series. Maul is used as a scapegoat in the finale, so the blame for the death of the clones can be shifted from Ahwoka the Precious Saint to him.

[@yospidey0078]

You’re not the only one who doesn’t like this show. I myself don’t like this show, I don’t why people think is is so good. The original Clone Wars Multimedia project is way better than show, you actually get to see darkness of the war. Anakin is handled better, more in line with the movies. The classic clone wars show from 2003 is way better.

[@illegalpancakes4594]

make sure to watch part 2 :)

[@virgogaming6488]

The Clone Wars micro series ties episodes 2 and 3 together perfectly.

[@laisphinto6372]

they bothered actually to tell the story of the title tcw doesnt like to tell the actual war story and used it as background noise for character interaction

[@saberiandream316]

I'm quite honestly shocked you haven't got a sneering "it was never canon, idiot!" comment.

[@theredcheddar1756]

@@saberiandream316 I'm pretty sure it is cannon

[@agentredguy1152]

Lol if you think clone wars is weird for having a 94 guess what rebels has? 98 apparently it’s nearly perfect and the best Star Wars thing out there. Huh

[@illegalpancakes4594]

yeah I really have a hard time wrapping my head around the RT score for pretty much all the star wars TV shows. People on the Internet just give every star wars TV shows an A+ for no reason while also trashing all of the new movies for no reason as well.

[@thesharmat9956]

Half the reason people like this show is because they watched it as kids. I was 17 when it premiered and never thought it was anything more than serviceable at best and mediocre at worst.

[@Vadim_Slastihin]

My mates are in love with this show and recomend it to me. But the problem is i'm 24 now so i guess it's too late for me... I rewatched batman TAS recently and it was... good, but not as good when i was a kid.

[@thesharmat9956]

Yes. More people need to be ok re evaluating stuff they watched when they were younger and changing their opinions about it. There's lots of stuff I liked as a kid that I revisited when I was older and changed my mind about, and that's ok. You're allowed to change how you feel about something as you get older and have new perspectives and tastes. I feel like a lot of young people define their identity through entertainment brands, so they feel personally attacked when someone disagrees with them or tells them they don't like all the same things they do.@@Vadim_Slastihin

[@DarkSide_Gaming21338]

@@Vadim_Slastihin you should still give it a try this is my third time watching through it and enjoy it a lot. However, I would recommend watching it in chronological order rather than by episode just cause sometimes you have episodes taking pace before the actual storyline.

[@Lucrei.]

@@Vadim_Slastihin I watched it as a 30 year old after dismissing it in my teens initially and still found some enjoyment from it. You have to be dedicated to it (and I recommend watching it in chronological order, not release order) You won't find something comparable to the Lucas films, but it has its moments and arcs when it's good. I also liked Rebels a lot which draws heavily from Clone Wars. I'd still say the 2003 version is better and certainly better paced.

[@jeremyallen5974]

It was nothing but a half baked attempt at writing an apology letter for the manbabies who endlessly screamed 'George Lucas raped my childhood' after the prequels came out

[@sgenthusiast7874]

god this is so refreshing to see. i just finished binging this show for the first time and i was astounded by how much i disliked it considering the amount of praise and hype around this show. the plot is incredibly inconsistent and this show doesn’t know how to properly handle its characters with anakin being the clear example. the show should have delved into anakin’s mind further and properly showed his dissent and yet the show essentially threw the CANON movie counterpart and created this dude bro anakin. it’s lazy writing and an absolute disservice to hayden for his accurate portrayal of a teenager/young adult with no idea how to control his emotions. anyways fantastic video & it’s very refreshing to see others with similar criticisms.

[@illegalpancakes4594]

Good to know I'm not the only one who has been consistently let down by this series. Part two is coming soon!

[@Puunch]

Do you like the sequels?

[@Puunch]

Like the last Jedi and the force awakens?

[@illegalpancakes4594]

@@Puunch I like all the star wars movies

[@OneTrueVikingbard]

@@Puunch one does not have to like the Disney trilogy to dislike TCW: in fact, neither are very good for different reasons, but the one unifying least common denominator is that they both relentlessly abuse canon.

[@BansheeNT-D]

I am here from the future. The Ahsoka live action show sucks.

[@jaxvos4799]

Okay, there was literally a whole comic series that takes place before KOTOR that was published in the mid 90s before TPM

[@katalina256]

I disagree with your opinion sir but you are welcome to have your own opinions separate from my own 👍

[@Mouse_Metal]

"If Darth Maul can come back why should I care about anyone or anythng in this universe." This commentary aged extremely well. Felony-Wars is just characters and pseudocharacters brought back for memberberries. I wonder how long it will take him to resurrect Mace Windu and Plo Koon.

[@Pantheistdood]

The original Clone Wars micro series is way better. I never got into this version.

[@trashboat5388]

I don’t even know what’s canon in Star Wars anymore. Nothing makes sense.

[@acegabrielcruz3687]

The 2003 Cloje Wars version is supposed to be the real canon

[@bruggger6287]

@@acegabrielcruz3687 no its not but sure.

[@eiden5778]

@@acegabrielcruz3687 legends

[@Xavier17.5]

The movies, 2008 clone wars and everything post-Disney.

[@CaseyRedgrave]

@@acegabrielcruz3687 not anymore

[@initial_C]

I'm glad someone called out the art style. I watched S1 and some of 2 and thought it looked like an early PS2 game. Never could get into it. The Tartakovsky animation kicked ass though.

[@pierceplaysstudios245]

oh really?! the early seasons looked bad?! no shit sherlock!

[@ethanweimer-kopf6907]

You are a different breed of stupid

[@TheGreyJedi332]

Well shit, I wonder if its because it was made like almost 15 years ago. Bro didn't even watch the latest seasons of The Clone Wars because the animation quality since the first few seasons has increased drastically.

[@initial_C]

@@TheGreyJedi332 I mean this looked like barely a step up from Beast Wars or Reboot and that was the mid 90s

[@Jiub_SN]

@@pierceplaysstudios245 yeah they did, so did the later seasons. That's what you get when you want to be stylized but are utterly inconsistent

[@thesentinel5523]

Finally, someone who doesn't guzzle Filoni's small sack. TCW is the walmart of Star Wars content pre-disney.

[@CaseyRedgrave]

Filoni and Lucas made this show, so anything you see was pretty much approved by George Lucas.

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@CaseyRedgrave Lucas isn´t even credited as a writer or director. Just because Filoni claims to consult everything with him doesn´t mean he respected his opinion. He kinda used him as a shield against criticism.

[@lukescrew1981]

​@@CaseyRedgraveYeah no

[@CaseyRedgrave]

@@lukescrew1981 google it mate

[@CaseyRedgrave]

@@Mouse_Metal George wanted Ahsoka to be Anakin's apprentice and wanted Clone Wars to be around set Anakin and not Filoni's teilek jedi. George brought Maul back pretty much. Anything that happened in Clobe Wars was approved by George, he did reject some ideas like having Darth Revan being around during Mortis arc, fir example. The things you learn when you use google.

[@HolyknightVader999]

3:03 Eh, dude, the Old Republic Tales of the Jedi comics came out before Phantom Menace. In fact, TPM even took the double-lightsaber design from Tales of the Jedi. Exar Kun was the original double-lightsaber wielder before Darth Maul came along and brought that to the silver screen. 7:25 To be fair, Satine was just a friend to Obi-Wan. Kenobi practically friendzoned her all those years ago, and he never actually had a relationship with her outside of the professional one, where he's her ally and friend, but nothing else. They didn't copulate, they didn't get too attached, hell, they even bickered a lot over politics, so at best, he's a lukewarm ally she sometimes calls upon. Remember than one time right after the poison Snapple episode, when Satine's own government overthrew her and her prime minister put her in chains and a shock collar? Kinky. But Kenobi was nowhere to be found, and it was Anakin's brat of a Padawan who saved her life. So yes, Kenobi did follow the Jedi Code to a T with her. He mourned her passing-for a bit, then he got back into action as if nothing happened. Classic Jedi. 15:31 You know why they put him in. Everyone knows. It's to get the fans wet, and that's what Star Wars has become after Red Letter Media and all those idiots blasting Lucas for not being good enough for the fans. So it's no wonder that they'd take a fanservice route with Maul, whom many fans believed to have died too early, and since KOTOR 2 already introduced the idea of Dark-Siders who survive enormous amounts of pain and survive (LOL Vader survives getting amputated and burned near a lava lake in Revenge of the Sith) they applied the same idea to Maul and had him come back. It makes no sense, but it makes the fans happy, so they went with it. Also, even in the original canon, the Emperor came back after getting ATOMIZED by the Death Star reactor, so Maul making it back with half a body wasn't anything new.

[@emoxvx]

Best comment in the whole section. About Obi-Wan, I don't believe he actually got over Satine that easily, he just had to suck it up because that's what he unfortunately learned as a Jedi and, guess what, on the other hand he actually could deal with his emotions really well. Everything else you said I agree. TCW feels like a show made for prequel haters, like the RLM or HelloGreedo crowd.

[@matthewfarmer9500]

Allow me to add validity to everything you said by saying I have actually watched every single Clone Wars episode. There are so many more problems with the show, but I think it is worth explaining why it does have it’s popularity. The answer is children of Star Wars fans who didn’t have anything better to watch. Most kid shows and adult shows for that matter are absolute garbage. But the clone wars is the king of the garbage kid shows because it had Star Wars, some mild violence, and some action, which if your flipping through channels as a kid after school, that’s the best thing to watch. But then these kids get older and want to believe that it was a perfect masterpiece and start defending every single plot hole like a evangelical pastor. They treat Dave Filoni like he walks on water and not like the talentless hack that he is. So they become conflicted when these crappy shows like Ahsoka and the Mandalorian S3 come out because they can’t come to terms that these other shows are somehow worse, and are easily impressed by lazy references to the Clone Wars. But these fans are a small, but loud population of the fan base, which I estimate between 7-14 million people. Point being the Clone Wars is so bad it’s forgettable, and most people don’t even know what the clone wars is.

[@simple-commentator-not-rea7345]

As long as Disney's Star Wars still exists, Clone Wars will ALWAYS be the best Star Wars

[@illegalpancakes4594]

Making a Thrawn v. Ashoka show is a bad Idea

[@sochioranmyaku]

Thank you. Anakin is a completely different character in the show. It’s ridiculous 😂

[@ggt47]

His moral complexity is gone.

[@ethanweimer-kopf6907]

They made him way better.

[@sochioranmyaku]

@@ethanweimer-kopf6907 they made him generic

[@clonetrooper2003]

@@sochioranmyaku Indeed, mi amigo

[@clonetrooper2003]

@@ethanweimer-kopf6907 #DisneyShill

[@vladprus4019]

I don't get the "what a clone is" argument. Biologically speaking, "identical twins" are "clones" as well but there are some differences in terms of looks and personality, because not everything about a person depends on the genetics. That said, the fact theat their genotype and raising/training was supposed to be specifically eingeneered to make them completly obedient soldiers SHOULD be taken into the factor.

[@illegalpancakes4594]

"We modified them genetically to make them less independent than the original host" the problem is, that it is a retcon from the movies. They specify that Boba is the only normal human clone. To fix this retcon they added a really cheesy mind control chip to the clones, which only begs more questions than it answers. I originally wrote a much longer and in depth section about the clones for one of these videos, but I took it out, cause at the end of the day the clones have some of the better writing in the show, even if they aren't written in a direction I would prefer.

[@megahunterkiller]

@@illegalpancakes4594The inhibitor chip serves as restraining bolt essentially for the clones. It’s not necessarily a retcon as this was never really expanded upon in episode 3 where the main assumption was the clones were just following orders. The series definitely has its rough edges at times and I think Filoni was given a little too much creative control in certain aspects.

[@wwmandalore]

​@megahunterkiller the chips are stupid and not necessary. The problem is Filoni wrote himself into a corner so used the chips to fix his mistakes.

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

I agree. Altho personalities in the Prequels are written that way, one thing they did right was *set up* the change, while CW will change them at random just because it will make fans chill. Ahsoka never actually has her character change set up imo. She learns small lessons through out the series, but for one episode, and we don't really know what happened to make her grow up in season three besides a time skip. While in the prequels, Anakin becomes more restrained in Revenge/Sith, but he still has pride and a fear of losing people that he had in Attack/Clones Edit: Also, though I would argue Obi Wan is technically following the code by not indulging in his secret feelings, but I think he could and should find fulfillment in living the jedi life. 15:30 Alright. Even though I enjoyed Maul's resurrection, I can't help but agree that it is fanfiction-y.

[@enrico1pucci]

maul was going to get resurrected by george lucas anyway for hes sequels

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

@@enrico1pucci I heard about that, and it would have been just as unfortunate. But we only would have gotten it from George Lucas if it was another Prequel situation. But we all know after the prequels and the fact that he needed to sell Lucas film that that would never happen

[@aarkproductions]

Because Dave filoni's writing is at best mediocre George was not a writer but he truly was a genius, so in comparison is it fair? Well, no but suffice to say Star wars is a franchise that deserved way more

[@aquarius5719]

I used to heavily dislike the prequels. Thanks to The Clone Wars show, I managed to love it. I do not know if it is good or not, but it worked.

[@disposablehero1235]

There was one episode every the infiltrate a cis factory i think... where they use frozen carbonatite like it was nothing. Even tho episode 5 states the risk of death is very high when frozen.

[@quintonheimann]

It's a cis super prison, and they mention the risk of death, that's why they took so many people and why ahsoka wasn't meant to be taken

[@codafett]

I agree with pretty much everything. Especially the bits about Grievous and Maul.

[@keck4022]

He is just as weak as he was in ROTS tho And maul was actually supposed to replace grievous in ROTS (obviously didn’t)

[@timkuhlman1977]

Spot on! Great Video! Where do you get the swirling star field backdrop you use in this video?(e.g behind the disclaimer logo at the 1:17 mark

[@illegalpancakes4594]

thanks. I'm not sure where I got the space background, I found it on a free stock footage website, maybe footage crate?

[@Wyr_111]

This movie still has more direction and passion than the sequels.

[@morsecode980]

People shit on me for saying that Lucas’ sequels also would’ve been received horribly because of Maul being resurrected in a tv show

[@dtxspeaks268]

Exactly. Honestly all this Lucas dickriding in recent years is just as annoying and one Sided as the Disney dickriding tbh.

[@restoredtuna8264]

I completely agree with you. But it’s still my favourite series, specifically because of a select few arch’s that put a spotlight on how the war played out and how it got to order 66. Maul coming back is stupid... but I love it. To put my point into perspective. If I was showing a complete run of Star Wars to a new fan of the movies, I would make them watch only about 1 seasons worth of scattered episodes. Specifically; “The citadel” (gives Tarkin a role and sets him up for a new hope) “The Umbara arch” (a story where the clones get to be the spotlight) “Landing at point Rain” (a dope episode) And if they think it would fit in, the maul stuff cause it’s dope and fun. And we could even watch it as if it wasn’t cannon.

[@Kyle-un3ei]

If Anakin can survive Mustafar, Darth Maul could have survived.

[@dagimmic774]

Is kinda hard to say that when the script says he melts at the planets core, not to mention he was missing like half of his necessary organs to live.

[@quintonheimann]

​@@dagimmic774 darth maul only lost his legs and cock, they ain't necessary to live

[@selkie.strings]

I don't know what you mean by clones can't have different personalities?? it's the cloning of their bodies not their personalities.

[@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets]

The standard clones shouldn't have the level of independence that they do in TCW. That type of thing should've been left exclusive to the more elite clone variants, such as the ARC troopers or commandos.

[@vitus6302]

I never liked the clone wars. But it didn’t bother me as much as the sequels since it was situated between two prequels and at the time I thought it was inconsequential. But the more I think about it the more it becomes clear that it was the clone wars that really started to mess with the canon.

[@Vadim_Slastihin]

I don't really understand your take on clones. They share the same DNA and look the same, but they still humans. I mean haven't you played Star Wars Republic comando or i don't know... maybe metal gear solid?

[@francescapatti2934]

Or like seen identical twins ever? Like they are also geneticslly identical and (often) raised in the same circumstances and still are individuals 😂

[@Mouse_Metal]

They are genetically modified to be obedient, perfect soldiers trained from birth to be perfect soldiers. They are far from normal twins.

[@alex.scaraoschi]

Mandalore and Dathomir weren't depicted appropriately at all in TCW. Neither did Ryloth and Kessel. Possibly other planets as well... Many other in-universe elements such as the impossibility of long distance communication while in hyperspace were twisted or trashed by filoni...

[@iamnotreal4741]

You only watched season 1 and 2 the 2 worst seasons yeah you completely lost me when you said that

[@TheNuisanceBird]

I’mYourAlibi has an extensive breakdown of why Ahsoka’s character even throughout the later seasons of TCW is poorly written. Highly recommend it.

[@ventris425productions5]

Poorly written, your joking, if it has to do with her being annoying and failing then that video is silly. She was created with flaws so she could outgrow them and have actual character development

[@TheNuisanceBird]

@@ventris425productions5 I disagree. Initially she was a nightmare but it didn't come across was foundation for development. The reason for this is in the earlier seasons the narrative constantly takes her side and even when she "fails" such as the Ryloth space battle where she loses her squadron she's never given much consequences. The same goes for later in the series where Ahsoka on one occasion disobeys Anakin and smuggles herself onboard the citadel mission and instead of a negative outcome she's rewarded for it as she becomes a vital part of the mission. Regardless of what the reasoning was or Plo's interference the narrative took her side as Anakin is the one who gets scolded instead. Even at the end of the series during seasons 7 she's really unlikable in the Mandalorian arc where she treats Anakin and Obi-Wan poorly and when Coruscant is under attack despite her growing up there and having spent time interacting with the citizens there she says that the people of the planet don't need her but the Chancellor does. This goes against what happened even in the Martez sister arc and made Ahsoka realign unlikable in that scene especially when she says that she's not trying to be fair and the narrative has her get her way when Obi-Wan in that scene was the only one not only being rational but also being morally reserved. I could go on but there are so many examples in the show of Ahsoka's character issues that I don't agree at all when people say she developed during the series.

[@Jiub_SN]

@@ventris425productions5 Ashokas a bad character imo, I liked her but she wasn't that great and broke canon. Don't let nostalgia blind you young padawan

[@ventris425productions5]

@@Jiub_SN might be nostalgia, but for the most part she’s well written better then the sequel characters anyway

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@TheNuisanceBird In S7 Ahsoka sides with a terrorist who wanted her own sister dead, enslaved and abused innocent villagers and also tried to kill Ahsoka herself. Let that sink in really deep.

[@stephencrompton4352]

"Somehow Darth Maul returned"

[@Breadhead97]

My brother in Christ. They took an entire arc to explain how and why Darth Maul returned, and what they did was Maul was very cool and added to the story, and I think the return of Darth Maul really saved the show. Palpatine returned because they needed a bad guy for Rey to fight and they were out of ideas. The return of Palpatine also completely invalidates Anakin/Vader’s sacrifice and the end of ROTJ

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@Breadhead97 No. They already put Maul´s brother into the story, so bringing Maul back was just stupid memberberries fanservice of the worst kind. Everything Maul was doing in the show Savage could have done. The plot would be basically the same, but better because the absurd resurrection wouldn´t be there. Instead of Maul screaming "Kenoobiiii took away my legs!" it would be "Kenoobiiii killed my brother!"

[@merafirewing6591]

Star Wars The Clone Wars 2008 show is clunky and such, but it did improved over time and still a good addition among Star Wars.

[@DivvyDeluxe]

The first two seasons are essentially just a kids show that uses the Star Wars IP. Quite literally the best of the show is after season two. The Ahsoka, Maul, and Domino squad arcs are some of the most emotional stories in Star Wars. Why you would judge it based on those two seasons is beyond me. It comes off as lazy. Think of it, it's like saying "I'm going to tell you why I think Star Wars is bad. Oh by the way, I've only seen episode one and two. No I won't watch the other ones because I don't like the first two."

[@StarWarriorCentral]

I've used all of these points to tell my friend that The Clone Wars is not canon, and his defense was "You can't say things are not canon when you enjoy the Holiday Special." I enjoy the good parts of the Holiday Special (the cartoon segment), and I enjoy how ridiculous it gets. However, the decisions made for the writing of the main characters don't contradict canon. One ridiculous retcon this show gave us was Maul surviving being CUT IN HALF. Not only does that not make any biological sense, but it cheapens the moment when Obi-Wan killed him.

[@CaseyRedgrave]

Hate to break it to you, but the show is canon no matter what you say. George Lucas himself wanted to bring Maul back, Lucas said this show was canon and so did Disney later on. Their word against yours. Only thing you got is your opinion that isn't canon vs a fact that it is canon.

[@StarWarriorCentral]

@@CaseyRedgrave Doesn't matter what they say. In the end, it's a bunch of stories being taken in for our entertainment, so whether we as consumers accept it or not is what matters. Most fans probably enjoy the show, but only because they don't realize that it doesn't match up in MAJOR ways. No matter how you view it, this show is not a good addition to the pre-existing storyline. And Lucas saying he wanted to bring Maul back goes against the script saying that he fell to his death.

[@CaseyRedgrave]

@@StarWarriorCentral and yet you are trying to force your friend to accept your opinion cause you didn't like TCW. The show doesn't ruin the movies nor has an effect on the movies, you're just overthinking things. Fact is, this is canon and your opinion is pretty much irrelevant on that, even less so than theirs. If the creator himself says something is canon, then it is, nothing you can do about that. You can act like it isn't, but you will always know you are wrong.

[@StarWarriorCentral]

@@CaseyRedgrave And now, you're attempting to belittle me. He can enjoy The Clone Wars, but it is not canon to the pre-existing storyline. That is not opinion; it is a statement that is supported by analyzing the fundamentals of the show vs. the movies. Disney or Lucas saying it is canon is a lie. Canon is not an opinion; canon is a principle on which something is judged. In other words, it goes by standards. Character and storytelling standards from the existing material are the standards I'm coming from in judgment. Changing your characters to where they behave entirely different to the existing material is not how you expand on a storyline unless it's character development for a sequel storyline. And retconning a major plot point in a previous movie to mean nothing is not good storytelling. You're just trying to make your product look superior.

[@StarWarriorCentral]

@@CaseyRedgrave In the end, however, Star Wars is simply a bunch of fictitious stories. Whether it is canon or not doesn't affect real life, and we can move on with our differing viewpoints. I sincerely hope the best for you and that you will reconsider my statements rather than remain angry. My friend and I are still as close as ever because we realize that we can think differently but still get along.

[@roberttuttle3029]

I'm not alone! I literally searched 'clone wars bad' bc I thought I must have lost all critical skills or something. It's not even a good children's show.

[@kecksbelit3300]

What do you think are good shows?

[@TheGreyJedi332]

@@kecksbelit3300 probably all anime shit

[@dtxspeaks268]

@@TheGreyJedi332 most animes arr better than TCW, the Prequels, bad batch or the Sequels that's for sure

[@th3m1st0cl3s]

It ruined obiwan it ruined anakin it ruined the sith it ruined the clones

[@virgogaming6488]

The only thing I like about Clone Wars is it gives some spotlight to prequel characters not utilized in the movies.

[@ggt47]

Plo.😍😭

[@bouncin2207]

And at the same time takes a big fat shit on others >>>Grievous

[@moe5020]

​@@bouncin2207 Well technically it isn't because the Grievous in the clone wars is accurate to how George Lucas intended him to be. Grievous was given a badass design to sell toys but his character was meant to be weak and cowardly. The only time Grievous has been good is in the 2005 clone wars and thats because it was created by Genndy Tartakovsky and not a moron like G. Lucas or Dave Filoni

[@bouncin2207]

@@moe5020 Yeah I understand but no one is really praising RotS Grievous either, but in TCW Filoni makes him even worse. The problem is Grievous while being "cowardly and weak" is still regarded as a jedi killer, and while he is "the supreme leader of the droid armies" he gets outsmarted by Gungangs. Both titles are in canon and legends but in canon they just don't make any damn sense because he is incompetent in both roles. Why the hell is this guy a number one threat to The Republic? It's almost like George created the plot that fits legends Grievous but then when everything was done (the clone wars multimedia project) he decides to change Grievous last minute, which just doesn't work, and it absolutely doesn't work after Dave Filoni comes in.

[@bruggger6287]

@@bouncin2207 greivous and boba are the only ones done dirt IMO

[@wut-dah_7212]

Dave was going to give Vos a whole arc in the original season 7 layout before Disney canceled the show.

[@illegalpancakes4594]

its true, probably would have been decent too, it was still missing a bunch of important details about the character, but it would have done one thing that no TV show or comic has ever done: kill Ventress. Gotta respect him for that.

[@garysanders7935]

I also agree with these flaws. I still love the show with all my heart. Some of my favorite content when it’s good. BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN YOU ARE WRONG. Star Wars is for everyone bro don’t let them hate cause we don’t like all the same stuff. If it’s for everyone then we can’t all agree. Great video!

[@tavellclinton9256]

I can't believe that so many people love this shitty series! For me this is the most dreadful of all Star Wars spinoffs!

[@grandmashipreplacement3225]

@@tavellclinton9256 are you good bro?? This is legit peak Star Wars

[@whoami4352]

@@tavellclinton9256 this is why nobody cares about you

[@Alopkaable]

@@grandmashipreplacement3225 Peak star wars my ass

[@grandmashipreplacement3225]

@@Alopkaable bruh just stop right now 💀💀💀

[@Heccy_weccy]

My biggest gripe with the show was definitely how there are comics depicting greivious in such an interesting way in that his people (the kalesh) were very honourable warriors and when he exhibited natural talent in combat he was seen as a local hero in their eyes (hence the heros on each side line in revenge of the sith's opening crawl). But when he failed to save his planet from it's invaders in large part thanks to neglect from the republic he ends up fighting for the separatist cause as an unwilling cyborg slowly losing his sense of honour across the clone wars. At one point he even literally blows up an ancient temple showing him his past self and what he threw away and where it all comes to a head in son of Dathomir when he simply kills Talzin on cold blood completely turning his back on his roots and what made him so revered in the first place (doesn't that sound familiar). It just astounds me how they wasted such a rich in potential character and yet another facet to Darth Vader.

[@omarbaba9892]

Yet we see the clones doing stuff like that in legends And the movies themselves discredit the emotionless killing machine thing as obi wan and Cody joke with each other And the chips completely make sense given the fact that in legends the clones we see disobey order 66 are the incredibly independent ones

[@Myth_or_Mystery76]

Only problem with this video, it makes it sound like you’re defending the sequel trilogy and … no.

[@illegalpancakes4594]

no my friend, there are much bigger problems with this video. mostly the line delivery when trying to describe Aurra Sing

[@martinlee7102]

If u never seen the whole show it isn’t your full opinion

[@DrownedWick]

Ye

[@DickenYT]

Guys he calls her Ashoka, this guy doesn't know ball

[@Kamn_exe]

God awful background music prevented me from finishing this video

[@illegalpancakes4594]

that's hilarious. Its all Cantina music from Star Wars Old Republic

[@hyliannerd4541]

I'm a Star Wars fan and I also not a big fan of the Clone Wars, I somewhat found appealing yet my interest died plus just like how you point it out, it's somewhat inaccurate. One of things I don't like is James Arnold Taylor (Obi-Wan's voice actor), I never was a fan of his voice acting and he's also problematic in real life. I don't know why people will defend him but not Moses Ingram, Ahmed Best, Jake Lloyd, John Boyega, Kelly Marie Tran, and the others when they were attacked. Plus the show is made for Prequel haters.

[@dtxspeaks268]

Because JAT can actually voice act and he plays good characters like Obi Wan and Mysterio, unlike all the other people you named. And if anything, the show was made for prequel lovers like yourself who like mediocre action movies.

[@anti-dreamstansunited3391]

Uh oh, I can already hear the TCW fanboys whine

[@SayChuslimandPorkgaystanifUgly]

agreed

[@Ziyoblader]

I'm sorry but after watching 2003 clone wars the 2008 one destroys some of the beloved characters on top of that there's no reason for Darth maul to come back in the 2008 version he got sliced in half on top of that if he didn't die the final blow in the movie was for nothing

[@elias.b4560]

And that’s good we didn’t know much about Darth Maul in episode 1 TCW gave Maul a character ark which made him to one of the best and one of the most popular character in Star Wars.

[@kingofmonsters14]

i did not expect to see Clone Apart be referenced

[@luckykennedy7364]

I have seen all of the show and it actually doesn’t improve. It doubles down on its own bullshit and the plot bends over backwards for Ahsoka and constantly throws classic characters underneath the bus to her.

[@illegalpancakes4594]

I think the show improves on some regards as it continues, and gets worse in others. one thing I regret about these videos is not doubling down on TCW cringe dialogue. The show has this super awkward baby dialogue that makes it incredibly hard to enjoy the show. This weird way of talking exists in a lot of the current shows too which is upsetting.

[@DarkSide_Gaming21338]

I’m going to slightly disagree with you while the show may not be perfect I think it’s a good show. Not only do we get to see the war from the clones perspective sometimes but we get to see characters grow. We get to see why Anakins faith in the order began to faulted, his slow turn to his more darkside tendencies. Maybe they could’ve done a bit more showing the impact of war and how it affects the galaxy but that’s not what the shows about. The show itself is about anakin and his journey while also adding more development at times to other characters like plo and such. I think the reason for that was to give their death more wait in the movies rather than just being another nameless face. Not to mention it also gives us a reason to feel sorry for the clones and how they could betray the Jedi so swiftly. So not only does it give growth to the Jedi but it also makes the clones more sympathetic. An example in the show being when Rex fights against the order only to fall victim to the chip and we have to watch him try to kill one of his greatest friends/comrade (not to mention he has to fight against his brothers once free of the chip). Though those are just my thoughts however, I would recommend if you haven’t to watch them in chronological order rather than by episode cause that’ll fix some of the story element issues you might have.

[@_vakas]

It maximized entertainment and action in exchange for logic, reason, and continuity. I will never enjoy a story like that.

[@DarkSide_Gaming21338]

@@_vakas at times maybe though it’s hard to argue your point without hearing specific moments in the show your talking about.

[@_vakas]

@DarkSide_Gaming21338 Ahsoka vs Grievous. Ahsoka vs Asaaj. Ahsoka vs Maul. Ahsoka vs Pre Vizsla. And that's just Ahsoka. Should I go down the list in alphabetical order?

[@DarkSide_Gaming21338]

@@_vakas well for Ashoka vs grievous the showed that she was basically outmatched and survived by using her wits. For asaaj it’s not like she was fighting her on her own (unless it happened in the later seasons but she would’ve been well under anakins training by than.) Her vs maul happened way before the final season came out and was in her book so idk what your getting at here. Even if it wasn’t the Jedi made it clear they weren’t getting involved so it not like they were gonna do anything. Dont remember much about the fight with Vizsla so can’t really say anything on that unless I watch it again. That being said she was trained by Anakin Skywalker who was one of the most powerful and most skilled Jedi especially when it came to lightsaber combat. What about those fights didn’t have reasoning and logic that your talking about?

[@_vakas]

@DarkSide_Gaming21338 Ahsoka makes absolutely no sense and doesn't have the midihclorians nor the wit to even come close to any of those characters as a 14 year old brat. I don't care how you cut it. Even a fully grown Ahsoka wouldn't be able to fight Maul and you're outright delusional if you can't see that. She is the original Rey through and through.

[@braedembenoit1107]

Honestly didn't think I would end up slightly agreeing with you on some of your points. Good video, it pointed out a lot of flaws many fans are too blinded by nostalgia to see.

[@MourningCoffeeMusic]

THANK YOU. I personally liked the 2D Clone Wars, but the 3D one just feels like it’s for kids.

[@illegalpancakes4594]

Your music is pretty good.

[@thewampire4640]

Thank you for making this video

[@sergeipancake7010]

Jabiim arc >>>> filoniverse

[@Jose-st3fq]

I recently rewatched the original trilogy and I decided to watch it from a perspective of having never seen any Star Wars before and anakin from the clone wars is actually what Ben kenobi describes him to be in a new hope to Luke

[@legoyoda6794]

I hate ahsoka so much.

[@coreysownyoutube582]

Bad Animated Films Should Never Get A Television Continuation

[@DrownedWick]

But the prequels were never animated films

[@nickytembo4112]

@@DrownedWickHe was talking about The Colin Wars movie not the Prequel Trilogy. -_-

[@MARVEL4DAN]

Man, I disagree with most of your points but this was a fun video to watch! Subbed

[@user-mf5qu9qt1c]

I kinda hate how Mandalorians portrayed in TCW, especially in comprassion to OG stuff like comics about Mandalorian Protrectors and so on, showing Mandalore as jungle world and it was way more interesting tbh. Especially, considering how originally Death Watch in OG comics of Jango Fett. Hell, originally Death Watch was just a bunch of terrorists that doesn't even care about traditions, hell, they straight up denied Resol'nare - Mandalalorian Code of Honor. Also only unique Clones developed their own personalities and tried to go against order 66. I mean, we needed more stuff like Alpha ARCs, NULL ARCs, Delta Squad, Omega Squad and more of those cool bois.

[@Mouse_Metal]

So it´s kinda consistent, but only accidentally. Bo-Karen is nothing more than a terrorist who has no honor and follows no creed. She only wants to get rid of her sister to gain power and rule instead of her. Her actions prove that. She is a 100% villain.

[@the_real_tay_loud2072]

Marvel has one of the saltiest fan bases in all forms of media

[@cobandtux7258]

satine isn’t obi wans girlfriend

[@lukescrew1981]

Point still stands

[@iforgotmyrealname4620]

Bro they made your live action Ashoka show, you're sure to love it.

[@OveranalyzingStarWars]

Ignoring the fact that my entire channel exists talking about this show and how much I love it, I loved this video lol

[@edwardreed67]

Nah, Imma disagree on the Clone point. One of things I didn't like about the prequels were how the clone (the things the fricken movies were about, THE CLONE WARS) weren't really very interesting. They were there... that was it. Yeah it goes against what they said in episode 2, but we do know there are different generations of clones, and the Kaminoans are probably trying to sell the clones as the best to Obi Wan. Giving the clones actual personalities, and making them semi independent but also incredibly loyal did wonders for the audience actually giving a shit about what at first was a faceless war. Plus, we do know that some clones are better at different jobs than others, judging that some are pilots and commanders and captains n stuff. They're less independent, not totally lacking in.

[@illegalpancakes4594]

see I feel pretty mixed on this, cause as much as I wine about how the clones feel too independent, the episodes about the clones are some of the best in the entire show. really what I highly dislike is the fact that the clones were mind controlled into committing order 66. it makes no sense that they had the technology to mind control the clones into zombies, and them not to use that technology for anything else. Its just a weak plot point that was shoe horned in to try to explain why commander cody turned on Obi-wan. The bad batch makes it even worse, its like they play heads or tails as to if the clones are independent or zombies. Don't get me wrong, that could totally work, but they never explain why, cause thats too hard (you made the comment about different batches turning out different, I'd be more than willing to accept that, but they never do.) I dislike the idea that the clones wouldn't follow a direct order from the president of the universe, unless they had a way to mind control them. its cheesy and feels like they wanted to make a canonical reason why the clones are good guys as opposed to making them later become storm troopers which was way more badass and what they did in legends. the battle of Hoth is way cooler when you know the troopers there are the same ones who purged the Jedi Temple.

[@lukescrew1981]

Stop being wrong

[@simpleclonetrooper2740]

​@@lukescrew1981nah let him cook

[@lukescrew1981]

@@simpleclonetrooper2740 I would rather not

[@NCC-nk1tm]

@@illegalpancakes4594 The Bad Batch were mutations. That's a pretty reasonable explanation for the chips not working, and having certain members of the Bad Batch succumb to the mind control hammers that point home by implication. Leaving that aside, there have been other forms of mind control in the Star Wars universe. They just haven't been that prevalent compared to the brain chips. The brain chips themselves aren't used universally because the Kaminoans hold a monopoly on the technology. They're the only ones who actually know how to create them, and I don't imagine Palpatine would be fond of letting that technology get to anyone else. Not to mention the fact that implanting them requires a very specific process during the clone's development, and trying to implant the chip in someone would likely kill them (there was a whole episode dedicated to explaining all this). If you think the idea of it is "cheesy", fair enough. That's your opinion and you're allowed to have it, but I think the mind chip is a pretty good edition to the story, even if it's a retroactive one. It makes the bond they shared with the Jedi all the more tragic, and it coincides with the themes of agency and autonomy that the show often explores with the clones. How much of it is true loyalty and how much of it is just the mind chip? Also, no offense, but the idea of the clones being in service during the OT is kinda retarded, especially given the difference in competence (and the fact that stormtroopers look and sound nothing like clones). If anything, I feel like it'd diminish the clones' badassery.

[@doodoodthecat1995]

Tried watching it again recently and it was terrible but it was great when I was 10, man. I loved it. lol

[@mr.o6240]

One miserable like. Lol.

[@emoxvx]

4:56 - That's because originally TCW was going to be a direct continuation of CW 2003, it was gonna be in the time frame between part 1 and part 2 of CW. The CW designs in 3D look super odd. 7:33 - To be frank, in the Republic comics Aayla Secura and Kit Fisto had a secret relationship. I think that Obi-Wan having a love interest like Satine explains well why he'd understand Anakin and Padmé's relationship, because during the Clone Wars, both in the Obsession comic mini-series and TCW, we see he clearly knows that Anakin and Padmé are together. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, he had a love interest in the Jedi Apprentice books. 9:38 - This is one of the things I think TCW does better than the CWMMP in general. Yeah, sure, they're genetically identical but people's personalities are extremely influenced by life experiences. While they grew up in the same planet, doesn't mean they had the same routines, same training, same group of friends, and so on and so forth. There's also the Null ARCs and Alpha ARCs who are genetic enhancements of Jango Fett, while standard clones are genetic modifications os Jango Fett to be more docile and less independent. The Null and Alpha ARCs were Jango Fett on fucking trembolone (anabolic steroids). In the Republoc comics we can see Alpha-17's "extravagant" personality and, I haven't read the Republic Commando books, but from the excerpts I've read on them the Commando troopers there, like Omega Squad, and the ARC troopers have different personalities from one another, different names. Even in the Republic Commando game Delta Squad have different personalities and names, and we can further see this furhter independence as the war goes on in ROTS in Cody and the 212th. There's a scene of Obi-Wan talking with Cody and 212th troopers aboard a Venator before departing for Utapau, and we can see the clones without helmets and they have different hairstyles, further proving the point that they in fact have different personalities and demeanours. We just don't see much of this in the films because it's not important to the central narrative or secondary narratives. In the Republic Commando novels not all clones obey Order 66, especially those who were more independent. Furthermore, there were clones in the EU who deserted the Republic due to not agreeing with the war, or actually believing in the Separatist cause. While I agree with most of your criticisms of TCW, in others I feel you didn't really explore the CWMMP (Clone Wars Multimedia Project) that much. What leads me to believe this is what I said up there and also the fact that you didn't mention how TCW absolutely nuked the EU's continuity, plus if you're going to review a TV show, watch the entire show, not just two seasons of it and a few random episodes. I think TCW absolutely sucks, not only for its poor writing and mischaracterisations but also for the many, many, many ways it absolutely fucked up the continuity of both the EU and the films. I feel you just picked up a few things from Wookieepedia and Reddit and called it a day. Do better next time, please.

[@vaggos2003]

You might enjoy Sheev Talks' duology of videos where he reviews the show.

[@ventris425productions5]

All I’m saying is this is a show that requires you to get fully invested, the more you go with this show the more you get invested in the characters and how they die

[@thepsychicspoon5984]

Didn't work for me

[@oskarzyca3551]

Haha, great video! And I say that as a huge TCW fan!

[@illegalpancakes4594]

make sure to check out my Mandalorian video! I was pretty satisfied with how it came out.

[@mrwood6395]

anakin is not a full grownman in the clone wars he is a young adult he is in his 20´s and people in there 20´s are not full grownman or grownwoman they are young adults

[@thekingofsorrianthum2635]

So you dislike the Clone Wars, okay, I can understand that. But why the hell are you playing apologetics for the Disney trilogy?

[@birdie9038]

I love this show so much, and even I agree with some of your points, especially how lame Grievous was in this show! HOWEVER, there is at least one point that I think needs to be said if I say nothing else (because it is by far one of my favorite aspects of the show if I'm being honest). Clones. Humans are humans, no amount of engineering would change that in my opinion. Yes, a clone is a genetically identical copy of an organism but that doesn't mean it won't have personality or be slightly different. Personality is not a concrete, quantifiable thing that you can engineer. Obedience is not the same as not having a personality. You are obedient to laws/ your parents/ boss/ whatever, that doesn't mean you have no individuality or personality of your own. I'm by no means a genetic expert but it seems more than perfectly logical that clones could have their own personalities. Even slight changes in our environment can cause us to be very different people. Each battle was different, some clones were raised to be ship crew, others regular troopers, others ARCs and so on, that would at least make ones in those groups different from each other and it only becomes more possible as you factor in other things like which generals they were under, which bounty hunters trained their squad, etc, etc. If they all acted the same and had no personality, why would we care about the show at all, how would that have made it any better? Just because it's not accurate from your standpoint doesn't make it something that should completely ruin a whole story and make it bad. That just seems like a knitpick that would add nothing to the story if it were to be executed your way. Have your opinion of course, but if you don't even try to look past that and just assume Dave is dumb because he didn't google the word clone...well...idk what to say about that... I don't care about the droids, not because they are the bad guys, but because they all have the same personality (and to a point even that could be argued with the non-separatist droids like R2D2, C3PO, AZ, Toto and whatever other droid you can think of). It is not relatable or interesting to have humans behave so far outside of what they should. One character that way can be interesting or funny or whatever but to have a whole hoard of people acting exactly alike seems boring, stupid and a worse choice than making clones different from each other. I hope this makes sense and doesn't just seem like I'm mad because I don't agree. I respect why you had a few other views but that point about the clones straight up makes no sense. (Edit: Also, I know you said "supposed to be unnatural machines" but supposed to be and reality don't always align, cloning was not 100% perfect. As much as the Caminoans wanted to think they were perfect at it, they weren't. Even a few in-universe examples: Snoke and Palpy. Granted they were not done by the Caminoans as far as I know but still, they couldn't even get the physical part right, so I think a little variance on the non-concrete aspects is understandable. Ok I'm finally done ranting.

[@illegalpancakes4594]

Thanks for your reply I both agree and disagree with the points you made. first of all you are right, giving the clones personalities does in fact make the show more interesting. some of the best episodes in the show are about the clones. from a story telling perspective and even a marketing perspective, this makes a lot of sense. I think I said this in the video. BUT... as you can probably pick up from these videos I get a little upset when this show messes with the official canon especially when they retcon stuff from the movies. I love the EU but I am a firm believer that they should never contradict or retcon something from the movies. In attack of the clones they make it very clear when the clones are introduced that they are not normal human beings, they are genetically modified to not really have a will of their own. They are designed not to be independent. This is further shown when they introduce Boba Fett, who they go out of their way to show doesn't have the modifications the rest of the clones have. If all the clones are already regular people, then how does that make Boba Fett special? George Lucas specifically made sure to point out and show in attack of the clones that the clones are more machine like in order to set up Order 66 in revenge of the sith. George wanted them to be more like robotic slaves that way the emperor would have an army he could use to turn against the Jedi, without any issues. Making all the clones independent and able to think for themselves ruins order 66, because it would make no sense for the Clones to turn on their Jedi captains, when they had no reason to. So how did Dave Filoni fix this problem? Mind Control Bro!!! First of all that is some of the dumbest stuff I have ever heard. Palpatine had the ability to mind control all the clones the whole time? It is such a cheap and shoe horned idea that makes the whole situation incredibly lame. They should have just left it the way George Lucas intended it. Why would they want the clones to only be obedient and such during order 66 but nothing else? Emperor Palpatine didn't care about the clones, why would he care about there personal freedom. what happens after Order 66? All the clones should by all means be pissed and turn on the Emperor. Maybe they all just stayed mind controlled afterwards? Why not have it that way, during the whole clone wars? I guess we will have to wait until the bad batch show... I also dislike how the clone wars act like it is such a big hidden secret too, despite it being shown to us in episode 2, but I already state that in the video. I wouldn't really be upset by any of this but since the show is canon, it bugs me a lot. Im not opposed to having clones with personalities, they need to be the minority, and they should specified to be different from the other clones, Like the Bad Batch or Rex from the comics. Also there still are stories out there that are about the clones that still shows them being more robotic and such. The Dark Horse comics the the Clone Wars show is based on had a really good issue about Commander Bly. If the clone wars is your favorite show you really should read the Dark Horse Clone Wars comics as it introduced Captain Rex, Asaj Ventress, and tons of other stuff years before TCW. Also the whole thing about Dave being dumb and not knowing what a clone is was meant as a joke.

[@birdie9038]

@@illegalpancakes4594 First, I appreciate you responding back and clarifying your points. Thank you. And I completely see where you are coming from, not sure how I missed your intent in the video but whatever, I think I understand now so I'm satisfied. Also I've heard good things about Dark Horse, I will check it out, thank you. Now I see where our thoughts diverge on this topic (I hope I can find the proper way to explain this, please bear with me). As you stated, you don't like canon being messed with, retconed, changed and all that. You definitely are not wrong there, George Lucas is and always will be the authority on SW, it was his creation. Honestly makes me mad how people are so rude about him sometimes. So perhaps we can agree that this show would ahve been better as it's own thing but not necessarily in the SW canon? From my point of view, I already automatically separate it from the movies since it is not George's direct creation and I understand for others who don't do that, because it is canon and should line up, it can be frustrating when things don't. I've always felt this way and perhaps that's why certain things don't bother me as much. That, and the fact that I sometimes don't catch canonical inconsistencies because I am just enjoying the storyline or I make allowances for things that seem less drastically important to me personally. (i.e. the very thing that bothers you a lot makes sense to me to be in the realm of possibility and so I allow it to be literally maybe not so correct based on a few lines in the movie but could work based on my understanding/perspective/ignorance/ whatever you want to call it). I guess I just see it as no matter what is officially canon, at the end of the day I decide what I want from SW and if I get it, I'm happy, if not, I don't watch/read/play. So if decisions are made that change the direction and I no longer enjoy, I guess that's just how it is and I will just have to hold dear what I enjoy and ignore what I don't. I am not really fond of the sequels so I just don't watch them and hope better stuff comes later. I obviously have my thoughts, criticisms and opinions but my view is that since I have no intention of being the one to fix it, I move on and enjoy what I do have instead of pining for what will never be or what should have been. I suppose I just take what I can get and am satisfied, but I know that's not how many people view it. I 100% understand for those who are very attached to the story, George's story, it just seems disrespectful to deviate or makes little sense in some cases. I'm not defending myself, I see the error in my thinking and I know these instances of not caring about certain things can build up and continues these types of issues of being not canonically accurate. So all in all, I appreciate your informed opinion, definitely made me think and even changed my perspective in certain ways. I still love TCW for the flawed show it is and I feel it deepened my interest as a kid in SW and was a big reason why I am still a fan despite not liking some of the new SW stuff that's come out since the prequels. Personally think it would have been best to be left out of canon after Disney bought SW though and just be its own thing. But unfortunately everything is about money so whatever should or shouldn't happen means naught when it comes to dollar signs and then it adds to problems that create more problems that also have problems in those problematic problems hahaha. There will always be critiquing, disliking, loving, tolerating, annoyance, etc, I just go with the flow and enjoy what I can. Sorry for this novel of a response, I am apparently incapable of being brief.

[@illegalpancakes4594]

No worries man! I too am grateful for your response and am glad to be able to clarify some of the stuff in the video. Its far from the greatest or clearest video on the internet. I also wanted to thank you for being professional about the whole thing, a lot of people just go "you wrong thus you dumb, watch the show again", which doesn't help anyone. I just want to let yo know that the purpose of my video wasn't to make people not like the clone wars but to really just point out it has a lot of flaws and that it is stupid to ignore TCW problems and then nit-pick other star wars movies to death. You can still love something and acknowledge it has flaws. I like the prequels and the sequels, but I still acknowledge there is a lot of dumb stuff and problems in them. I am also a huge Godzilla fan, and most of those movies are dumb as hell.

[@birdie9038]

@@illegalpancakes4594 Yea, I prefer to keep it as respectful as I can. When there's disrespect there's little to no understanding and therefore no growth. All I wanted was to understand your reasoning, I feel like I achieved that and I actually now have a new perspective. And I agree, love of something doesn't equal ignoring flaws, it is acknowledging the flaws and yet not holding them against something unnecessarily. Thanks again for this nice convo!

[@BRC1298]

@@birdie9038 I know this is a bit old, but I just wanna point out that TCW _is_ George's direct creation.

[@imyouralibi6208]

Thank you for this. Your comparison of CW Anakin and sequel Star Wars Luke was perfect. I'm surprised no one was saying #NotMyAnakin when Clone Wars aired. And, YES! The show's treatment of Grievous was downright insulting. In Legends, Grievous actually WAS kind of a sympathetic villain because the Republic/Jedi almost wiped out his people and Dooku basically used him as an experiment; he pretty much loses everything, including his wife. It's heart wrenching 😢 There are however two characters that I happen to disagree with you on: Maul and Ahsoka. This might be in part due to my own bias, but I thought Maul was fantastic in this show (outside of Season 7, that is, where they turn him into Ahsoka's lapdog 🙄), and it's really not all that hard to believe he could've survived his injuries. In the EU, Darth Sion defied death by calling on his pain, anger, and hatred, and Maul lives for revenge, so it's not too much of a stretch. Plus, there were other characters such as Darth Nihilus who didn't even have a body; he just fused his soul with a mask. And now for Ahsoka. I was kind of disappointed that you didn't have more to say about her. She's honestly one of the worst characters I have ever seen. She's a total Mary Sue; the plot bends over backward to accommodate her. Honestly, she should've died half a hundred times but didn't because she's the writers' pet. She's an arrogant brat who treats everyone around her like utter garbage and yet the fanbase worships her up and down. She is genuinely a poisonous character. Anyway, I dropped a like and I'm looking forward to seeing Part 2 🙂

[@illegalpancakes4594]

I don't have any problems with Ashoka strictly in TCW. Yeah she is annoying in the first season, but so is everyone. I do agree that Ashoka gets kind of ruined in Rebels and the Mandalorian. Bring her back to life via time travel is the dumbest thing I have ever heard, and the fact that Filloni says she is still alive by by the end of Episode 9, is soooo dumb. it is pure mary sue.

[@OkIPullUp2915]

Lol wdym by “ahsokas lapdog”? Edit: ignore the dooku fanboy below

[@imyouralibi6208]

@@OkIPullUp2915 He basically becomes obsessed with her and in the final episode he just blindly does what she tells him to do rather than using a perfect opportunity to kill her (seriously, her back was turned on him in the cell. He could've gotten the jump on her and totally obliterated her with the force like he does with the clones in the VERY NEXT SCENE but he doesn't. So stupid 🙄).

[@OkIPullUp2915]

@Count Dooku and you’re a dooku simp my guy. Maul wipes the floor with him 🤡😂

[@OkIPullUp2915]

@Count Dooku Maul is superior to ahsoka and held back to her, it’s literally confirmed in a canon book list that Maul beats dooku, your old fool who was outplayed by Sidious was also beaten by Vos who struggled to Cad Bane 😂😂

[@FactsForME1]

the reason that Clone had a whole ark to himself is because he was a ark trooper and they were not like normal clones Ark troopers had far more freedom hand a normal clone so it would make sense for him to do such a thing.

[@TheGrievousReviews]

Tbh, I only really enjoy Season 3-6. I think 1 and 2 is pretty mediocre, if not poor. Season 7 is heavily overrated and I don't find it that amazing except for the last 3 episodes.

[@tavellclinton9256]

Sometimes, I wish this series never existed.

[@quinten2529]

I always di

[@thelswfreak3025]

@@quinten2529 Im in your walls with a dc-17 blaster

[@UltimaSpark50]

It was essentially proto-Disney, and should be proscribed on that aspect alone.

[@NuteGunray]

I thought you were living in Liberty City?

[@acidp0p]

"It's treason then..."