The Cocas: Indigenous Jalisco

The Cocas of Jalisco, TikToks Parts 1-5 (References below):
--Baus de Czitrom, Carolyn. Tecuexes y cocas : dos grupos de la región Jalisco en el siglo XVI. México: Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia, Departamento de Investigaciones Históricas, 1982. (Note: This book is out of print and can be found in some Mexican libraries. If you attend a university with an interlibrary loan system (ILL) in the U.S., you can acquire the book through the ILL system. This is how I acquired the book)
--Starr, Frederick. The Little Pottery Objects of Lake Chapala, Mexico. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1897. (Read for free online via Google Books www.google.com... or Archive.org archive.org/de... )
--Tello, Fray Antonio. Libro segundo de la Cronica miscelanea, en que se trata de la conquista espiritual y temporal de la Santa provincia de Xalisco en el Nuevo reino de la Galicia y Nueva Vizcaya y descubrimiento del Nuevo México. Edited by José López-Portillo y Rojas and Jaime de Rieza Gutiérrez. Mexico: "La República literaria," de C.L. de Guevara, 1891. Read for free online via Google Books www.google.com... or Archive.org archive.org/de...
--Not used in this video but worth checking out: "Relación geográfica de Poncitlán y Cuitzeo, 1585." Papeles de Nueva España. Segunda serie, Geografica y estadística. Vol 8. No. 4. pp. 221-260. Pub: Madrid: Establecimiento tip. Sucesores de Rivade, 1947. Available online via Archive.org: archive.org/de...
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[@eightaquafina5968]

I don't know if this helps, but the Coca language has not completely disappeared. There are at least 55 words that have survived colonization. I’ll put the few that I’ve found here. Nanachi - mother Tatachi - father Ache - water Zoatl - woman Zuchil - flower Senwa - flower Ake - river Tontze - cat Tagualila - dance Naguanchi - duende Nande - enano Tonchí - little cat Tuxti - rabbit Tuxtl - rabbit Mari - home Tachakate - food Moteka - compadre Samná - sugarcane Tapaka - to wash Sewe - to rest Mandachi - dumb/stupid Zoato - effeminate Tenatze - laborer Tepetze - hill Totaritze - frog Yayatarichi - little frog Tanazo - toad Chunde - basket Neuti - wine Tepichi - little Marri - dog Mazate - deer A, Ak, Bak are words I found for water, but I’m not sure if they’re accurate. I also read that Ake might be the plural form of A/Ak. And Neari, which means deer. Apparently the plural form for deers is Nearin. I find this interesting because in my family’s native language from Sinaloa, you make the plural form by adding -m, or -im. So, Choki, star, would become Chokim, stars. I listened to a podcast that said Coca is also a sister or cousin language to the languages in Sinaloa and Sonora❤️

[@fuerzaamericanbulldogs3096]

Mi Pueblo calls gatos and tonchi a lot I didn’t know it was a native work!! My family is from Cuautla Jalisco

[@eightaquafina5968]

@@fuerzaamericanbulldogs3096 That is incredible! You should try searching for more words! 👀 🔍 🔦

[@davidortega357]

Uto Aztecan. Languages of western north America and mexico nahuatl Mexican Comanche Shoshone Cahuilla luiseno tongva

[@Jorora_Dev]

Wait! I’m from near Cocula which used to be known as Cocollan and it belonged to the coca people and we say Tonchi to refer to cats. It’s usually to get their attention but I’ve never seen anyone else use that word outside of my families hometown!

[@eightaquafina5968]

@@Jorora_Dev I think this is very common in México. Often we use words that come from Indigenous people, maybe including our own ancestors, but we don’t know where they come from until we try to investigate.

[@dajo19]

Thank you so much for your video. I was born in Ocotlan Jalisco. I have family in San Pedro Itzican and we come from the Cocas of Jalisco.

[@Xanderful209]

It’s the middle of the night at the time I’m writing this and I started having a some what existential crisis after thinking that I don’t really know where my non Spanish roots here from 🙃. i always wondered what natives I may have descended from as my family is from Poncitlán. This gave me some closure ,Thank you for this video.

[@TIMERloks]

From poci as well lol

[@luism.carrillo]

My mother was born in San Pedro Tesistan, when I went to visit I could sit on my abuelita’s front door step and just stair down at the lake for hours. It was one of the most relaxing moments I’ve experienced. Watching your video made me more interested in looking into my roots. Thanks!

[@davidortega357]

My dad was born in Chapala Jalisco my dad was born in 1903 I said back then there were still natives living there his uncles wore their hair long in native style he was native from either Coca, nahuas I did a DNA on myself I'm 64% native and 28% Spanish

[@No-one2024]

Hello all! I’m originally from Ocotlan, Jalisco. I recently took a DNA test. My genoma cans out to be 60% Iberian, mainly from Spain but it also includes Portuguese and basque. I’m also 30 % indigenous of the Americas of Coca and Tecuexe origin. The other 10% left is a mixture of Irish, English, welsh, Arab, Jewish, and African ancestry. I’m so amazed by the results. It gives my a great sense of belonging. My ancestors are both the original people around Lake Chapala and the conquistadores. My ancestors created a new society after the conquest that was shaped in the next 300 years of the Reino de la Nueva Galicia during the Viceroyalty of New Spain. I love everything about it ! My history of resistance, conquest and the birth of a new identity all shaped by faith and blood from both sides. I love everytime I visit my town. Walking through its streets full of history. My history ! Que Viva Jalisco ! Viva México.

[@themi7298]

Finding this video on KZbin is giving me so much empowerment. Mi familia es de Estipac, un pueblo cercas de Cocula. Estipac is a Coca word for Arid Earth, at least from what i've researched & have been told by my elders. Is there anyway I can email you with some more inquires? I appreciate you weaving this knowledge together for the public. Abrazos!

[@iniguezawsome]

My people and ancestors. Thank you for this.

[@Metztli0]

My dad’s side are Cuyuteco Indians. This is extremely informative, thank you.

[@fernandomartinez5244]

My father tells me his Abuelo was coca 🙌

[@LaLyvi]

I have sent off for my DNA but I know from records that my grandfather's lineage was long in Sayula. This is very helpful. Thank you!

[@bulldogface8259]

Wow so 48% of my DNA is from this part of Mexico nice to know what tribe existed before the Spaniard came

[@kiloton1920]

I dated a girl who’s mother came from this area and still had a home on lake chapala in San Nicolas. She was very beautiful like a Mayan princess, I traveled to lake chapala with her and all over the area, it is very beautiful

[@jalisconahuatl7808]

great video

[@Cabrona_lol]

My dad dad is from Cocula Jalisco and my dad said he would wear white chaps type pants and would eat every part of the animal including blood soup. Very interesting

[@JoseHernandez-dd2kg]

People that still live in these areas I would think have a high content of Native blood. My dad was born in Tabasco, Zacatecas which at one time was the area where the tribe Caxcanes roamed. During colonization the church was able to convince many of the Caxcan people to live in what today is Tabasco . Many people today whos parents or grandparents are from Tabasco are still able to maintain high quantity of native blood from the 40% range up to 70%

[@themexicanbaka8199]

This is probably true, My whole family is from chapala and have been there since before Spanish rule and I’m 80% native Mexican

[@davidortega357]

My family on my dad side my father was born in Chapala Jalisco my grandmother also we have indigenous blood in our family possibly Coca I did DNA I'm 64% Native American 28,% Spanish my dad was probably 90% Native American Coca I've been to Chapala and seen the people they have native features lots of mestizos my cousins have figurines of the ancestors from the lake

[@themexicanbaka8199]

@@davidortega357 my families last name is Ortega, what was your family’s name?

[@itz_angel8618]

My ancestors 🇲🇽🪶

[@julianaornelas8077]

hi there, I was wondering where I could find the books mentioned in the video?

[@nerdosauriorex]

I added the references in the description box if you are still interested.

[@gbenz6494]

How do I get a copy of the book? If not available, would you be able to provide copies for us to read? PDF?

[@pedrodeniz9183]

Why into English?