The Cochrane Gambit | Opening Deep Dives

[@theplayfulbot8447]

A masterclass and a deep dive into David's chess soul

[@MatthewDoe-c4t]

At 17:10, white can do better than f3 to win back the Knight - Bg5+ wins the Black Queen (due to pin on the Knight)

[@marwanmg]

Lovely and very instructive

[@SleepyOldOwl]

Hi David, great masterclass! I was looking for this. Which game of yours did you refer to? I would like to look it up.

[@rainerausdemspring894]

In some positions it would be an advantage to remove the h-pawn, wouldn't it? So, in positions where White attacks on the King side the h-pawn may have a negative value.

[@JulianaSantos-xt2xh]

I'm new to this. David says he values center pawns, but that pawn could easily be capture by the knight (f6). Can someone explain to me why that wouldn't happen?

[@joeshmo546]

Blacks king is very vulnerable after that and the knight is hanging

[@JulianaSantos-xt2xh]

@@joeshmo546 thanks 😉

[@ChessDojo]

Hi Juliana. If you mean in the position after e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nxf7 Kxf7 d4, then it could go as follows: Nxe4 Qh5+ g6 Qd5+ winning the N on e4. Or Nxe4 Qh5+ Ke7 Qe2 attacking the N and lining it up with the K. Black can't move the knight, so after d5 to defend it, f3 by white, white gets back the knight with a superior position.

[@FeaturingMaxAsMax]

@@ChessDojo David finally made this point about 16:57 into the lecture. It should have been mentioned earlier. It's a little tactical trick that makes the whole conceptual side possible, the massive White pawn center dominating Black's pieces.

[@Socrates...]

Black very seldom responds in the opening with Nf6 but rather Nc6. So how often would you get to play this opening?

[@ChessDojo]

The Petroff Defense has been fairly common for many years

[@Socrates...]

@@ChessDojo Yes but I hardly ever get to face it, very seldom...anyway interesting video lesson, thanks

[@kartavyaschesschannel8240]

@@Socrates... It is very common at all the levels, I think second most popular response to 2.Nf3 is 2...Nf6

[@Socrates...]

@@kartavyaschesschannel8240 I have played thousands of games on chess.com , lichess and back in the day icc, and it very rarely comes up because most people view the Petroff as symmetrical and draw Ish and boring. Therefore I get to play a lot of Italian etc. I am not disputing the validity of the line David was showing us, just the rarity of opportunity to play it. Anyway the lesson was good and would help in a holistic way in our thinking process.

[@Cherrytea558]

I get the Nc6 all the time but I still end up playing Kxf7 most of the time. It’s weird most vids show the Cochrane played immediately but I usually develop both Knights and a Bishop before I pull the pin on this gambit.

[@Danumurti18]

Who is he? Love his explanation!

[@kwhd559]

I don't like to view chess or chess opening positions in terms of maths, I prefer to view opening positions in terms of harmony and capacity for improvement if that makes sense. In the Cochrane Gambit, for instance, White's center pawns are valuable if they can be kept side by side, controlling maximum squares, but if one of them is forced to advance their overall effectiveness quickly diminishes, in fact, this bit of strategic knowledge is what informs Black's early middlegame play against the Cochrane. I think it is more economical to accept that pawns are worth 1.00 but with the understanding that their value fluctuates depending on what is happening overall in a given position. Moreover, as a general rule, a piece is going to be worth more than 2 or 3 pawns in most middle-game positions because a piece has more capacity to increase its value/activity than the pawns do. Chess is hard.

[@interestinstoff]

Most of them play 3.Nc6?? Not 3. D6!!

[@ChessDojo]

that is tragic :(

[@interestinstoff]

@@ChessDojo but they get blown out with 5.f3 with no tricks in their bag (;

[@ChessDojo]

@@interestinstoff good :)

[@KeepChessSimple]

In the Cochrane tournament, none of the black players seem to have checked 'Playing the Petroff' from Dhopade.

[@ТестТест-в3б]

What is ur suggestion for e4 players after 1e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 Evans gambit is not sound for now

[@ChessDojo]

I think Bc4 and Bb5 are the best moves there. Scotch is probably fine too. I don't know of any refutation to the Evans.

[@polychromaa]

the evans gambit is only equal or VERY slightly better for black with PERFECT play. its very sound trust me. most of the main lines are completely equal, yet very dynamic. No forced draws or crap like that

[@critica77y77]

I go Bc4. If Nf6 I go with Ng5. If black tries for the Traxler with Bc5, I shut that down with 0-0. After d5 exd5, if black plays Nxd5, if black didn’t play Bc5, the Lolli Attack with d4 is fun, and if black did play Bc5, a modified Fried Liver with Nxf7 works. Of course, black could play Na5 or Nd4 after exd5, after which you don’t get much of an advantage, but it’s not like White is worse off.

[@michaelvanzyl9418]

Themed feature has been on lichess a while👀

[@ChessDojo]

Seems like when lichess adds a new feature, people say "great now you don't need chess.com" but when chess.com adds a new feature, it's "oh well lichess has had this for a while" 😂

[@michaelvanzyl9418]

@@ChessDojo yeah I agree😂 although themed tournaments have been around for a couple of years though. It was more the way themed tournaments were spoken of in the video that got me to mention this.

[@lowtherlars]

@@ChessDojo Lichess missionaries = crossfitters of online chess

[@nwngenisys8969]

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