The Coffee Mistake That's Costing You Flavour

[@Tenoct91]

I tried reusing the coffee in the basket for a second time once just to see how much flavour was left after the first use. The coffee was sadder than Frodo when Gandalf fell off the bridge!

[@marcvdm1111]

Nice experiment with a predictable outcome ;-)

[@Tenoct91]

@@marcvdm1111 I was glad to see how little flavour came out. Showing the efficiency of the Moka pot.

[@viarnay]

I'm going to try that 🙂

[@MostafaAboAly]

I tried 18 grams with 90ml water it works good with Bialetti Brikka Induction 4 cups , but the most important having a freshly beans and good grinder using filter water . The result is amazing . Living in Cluj Napoca Highly recommend Meron or Olivo Coffee beans

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Thanks for sharing your method. And you raise a very good point, fresh beans, good grinder and filtered water. Also I know the guys from Meron. Great stuff!

[@pnigam]

In my experience I can go down to half the capacity in a Moka Pot. So you could do 3 cups in a 6 cup Moka pot pretty well. Put water in 1:10 ratio and expect approximately 2/3 of the water as the volume of coffee.

[@nedreiter3869]

Bravo! I usually use an Aerogrind, but an Italian friend insisted that for a near-espresso experience I should use a Moka pot. Had a large one which produced poor coffee, but having seen this I invested in a small one and...bingo! Good shot of coffee. Grazie Matteo

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Thanks for the comment. Yes, moka pots are supposed to be used for the capicity they hold, no less, no more. That's why in Italy at home we have different sizes of pots for different occasions

[@AndyGait]

I use a one cup moka for this very reason. I only need a 30-35g shot for my flat white each moring, so using the one cup size just made sense. I use: 10g fine ground coffee (50 clicks on my Kingrider K4) 50g filtered, pre boiled water. I use a paper filter too.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Correct. Glad to hear that. And thanks for sharing your method 😊

[@KonstantinosPlatis]

Completely agree 👍 i have three various moka pots just for this reason😊

[@DjGrzywa]

What do you think about using a basket reducer in moka pot? Could it make a big difference? I don't have a reducer, so I can't check it myself.

[@mohamedmamdouhabdel-gawadk6685]

Yes I have that issue, thanks for discussing it.

[@morgant6508]

Personally I have a 3 cup moka and a 6 pot moka. I almost only use my 3 cup to make the equivalent of 1 cup of espresso. I tried several grinds trying different microns with my Kingrinder K6. (90, 89, 88...etc. up to 60, or even finer still). I tried different waters. I tried this by pre-heating the water, starting cold water, starting to heat the cold water while I ground the coffee beans. I tried setting different intensities for heating. And finally as I only wanted an espresso, with my 3 cups, I tried by reducing the quantity of water. At 120-125 ml it's perfect! Then I tried different weights: 15, 16, 17... up to 20g, and I tried to go down too: 14, 13, 12,... I even tried 5 grams. (I also put a filter, but not always.) I find that 15 grams is still very strong and not necessary. Below 10g, it might be too few. So I put around 10-12 grams with 120 ml of water. (And a filter or not.) I put cold water in the moka pot and put it on medium-medium high heat while grinding the coffee. I soak the filter in lukewarm water. I place it on the upper side of the moka pot. I put my ground coffee with my K6 (between 60 and 70 microns). I close everything and wait for the coffee to brew, while scrubbing my K6 with the light brush, a toothbrush and a tissue and a little with my clean fingers. And then the coffee comes and I have 1 moka pot style espresso.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Thanks so much for your comment and for sharing your very well detailed method. 🙏🏻

[@yvonnevanrossum8155]

Are you sure about the 60/70 microns? Seems very fine to me. Perhaps you meant 600/700?

[@morgant6508]

@@yvonnevanrossum8155 no, it is the measurment on k6, not scientific micron It is one trick or one trick +10 ^^

[@yvonnevanrossum8155]

Thank you for your explanation 🙏😊

[@franckbald3750]

Hello Matteo, thanks for your video. Personally, I only play with the volume of water to attenuate the bitterness of an over-bodied blend (in my Moka Pot, I like dark roasts and blends of 80% Arabica 20% Robusta). By keeping the same weight of coffee (9g in a 2-cup), I can go from a pronounced bitterness with 90g of water to a very light bitterness (70g of water). Of course, the ratio goes from 1:10 to 1:7 but - to my taste - only bitterness varies.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Amazing to hear that! That is exactly what I do. I made also this video that also follow your method. kzbin.info/www/bejne/poCoYYuEirqhmNE

[@LDacic]

Brewed my first coffee using moka pot the other day. It was a 6-cup pot, I put about half puck worth of coffee and a full pot of water up to the valve. Don't know how many grams I put in or got out, it was about one big cup. It was quite good, actually.. Next time I made a cup, it was about the same method but the taste wasn't that good. Don't think I'll ever go out of my way to get a single serving pot but watching your videos is interesting nonetheless. Cheers

[@m420-nd1if]

You have to fill the whole basket.. otherwise there is no resistence for the water when flowing through

[@PuffyWalrus]

Matteo, if i upgrade my Moka with the new filter, do I still need to use an aeropress paper filter?

[@TuesdaysTurn]

I have E&B Lab moka pot filter and don't use a paper filter, and the coffee is amazing. I just make sure to boil low to medium heat (closer to low), and take it off the stove right before it's finished boiling all the water. That last bit will usually taste burnt, and change the taste of the entire batch. It's more work and you get less coffee, and you waste a little, but it tastes much better imo.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

With the E&B lab I usually don't use paper filter, be if I want better clarity, I do. Depending on the coffee I'm brewing

[@lynettevalentin9411]

I fill it to the little knob on the side and over fill the coffee since I’m Puerto Rican but I do it Cuban style. The times change so no one really follows directions.

[@m420-nd1if]

Yes you should always overfill or at least fully fill the basket

[@yvonnevanrossum8155]

Hello everybody, may I ask a question somewhat off topic? Can someone tell me if there is an aeropress filter that fits the bialetti 6 cups? Can’t find it anywhere. Thank you!

[@matteofromtheswamps]

I replied on the other comment :)

[@Lasnell]

Witch size is the best for one person? 2 or 3 cups?

[@matteofromtheswamps]

I would say 2 cups. I'm also preparing a video about that.

[@niyazhuseynzade3212]

Please make a video about Bialetti Venus series comparison with regular moka pot. I got a 4oz Venus, it's constantly burning the coffee, and it's impossible to achieve an even extraction.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

I'm planning to start using stainless steel mokas. I just need to finish to cover a few topics and then I jump of them

[@noamkleiner8749]

Interesting stuff.

[@koala8373]

Hello Matteo, i have a question. In all your videos you use aluminium Moka and i really wonder how much TDS and extraction would stainless steel Moka's have. Have you ever tried that?

[@matteofromtheswamps]

I'm planning to jump on stainless steel moka soon. Than of course there will be a comparison.

[@HeyJoe89]

@@matteofromtheswamps I am hardly experimenting with the Gefu Nando 4 Cups Mokka Pot on ceran plate and your advices, especially on cappuccino, but struggling a lot with clean coffee:) At the moment it's a pain to me, maybe I like to blame the obviously outdated porlex mini ii (recommended by coffee circle, I already stabilised the burr a little:/), because only two clicks changing the results to the opposite, but at the beginning of understanding there are so many variables and the basket reducer makes it even more worse:)) Trying hard to learn faster, thanks a lot for your inspirations

[@cjsloki9717]

When I first got my Brikka, I tried smaller doses, sometimes as small as 12 grams. The result was a wet mess and an underextracted coffee. Not sure if it works properly without filling the funnel. I have used less water than recommended to reduce the amount of water in the lower chamber after brewing. Now I just use the recommended 120ml and fill the basket.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

With the water in the boiler you can play a bit. But coffee in the basket, better have it full.

[@hosseinahmadi1333]

I am in doubt between buying Bialti single cup and double cup. The amount of output in a single cup is 60 mils and in a cup 90 mils on the Bialti website, but according to your training, it is less. Please send the amount of output in these sizes. Thanks.

[@HeyJoe89]

From my point of view the output depends a lot of, how gentle you heat it (may be much more controllable on gas). My stainless steel 220 in 120to170 out. And I like his idea of stopping the brew, so a little bit of reserve could be welcome. But I'm not very experienced

[@mynameisnoname8500]

Can you make a guide for a 9 cup moka? I followed all your tips but i cant seem to produce a good cup of coffee with my 9 cup moka but i'm able to do so with my 3 cup moka.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

I know, with 9 cups you need a different approach. Thank you for the heads up, I'll put a note on my list of contents. :)

[@roccotarulli2464]

I have a question on ground size, If I use an espresso ground it seems more bitter. Is there a better grind size I should use in my Moka pot?

[@TuesdaysTurn]

My moka grind is halfway between espresso fine and french press coarse, slightly finer than pour over, and it tastes amazing

[@PatrickD707]

I had that issue, someone on this sub told me to grind coarser, so after a little experimentation, i got very nice results.

[@roccotarulli2464]

@@PatrickD707 thanks I'll give it a try

[@Karras353]

Not sure if this helps but I've been getting good results so far (only had it a few days) using the same grind setting on my hand grinder as for an AeroPress.

[@LuisAzcuaga]

When I brew for my gf and me, I usually use the 6 cups moka, I tend to randomly variate from 25 gr to 20 gr of coffee maintaining 1:10 ratio (250 ml - 200 ml of water respectively) trying to taste the difference but honestly we can't tell. Also, I'm not sure why, but filling the coffee basket (~27 gr) implies having around 270 ml of water and that exceeds the level of the steam valve; filling the boiler (240ml) implies leaving space on the basket. So, should I change my ratio? Coffee tastes good, but maybe it can taste better.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

You can change the ratio. I never brew a 1:10 with Moka pot. I like the coffee to be stronger. With a 6 cups I made this video that can help you, if you didn't check it out yet kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4XaqoyNe7-igZosi=5E3bo21qyoISRf35

[@swagatammitra1304]

Medium roast (robusta) water : coffee?

[@matteofromtheswamps]

always fill the basket with the coffee without pressing. For the water I suggest less water in the basket. If you tell me the moka pot size you have we can talk about grams.

[@swagatammitra1304]

@@matteofromtheswamps 3 cups moka pot

[@matteofromtheswamps]

@@swagatammitra1304 full basket (should be around 18 grams) and I would start with 120 gr water at room temperature

[@JOHNOSA]

what if put less coffee but regular watter but stop it when 40ml water coming up in 3cup?

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Still not consistent. It's the level of the coffee in the backet making the difference.

[@ekosugitowidjajaseputro1175]

Dear Matteo,thanks a lot for your explanation. This afternoon,using 3 cups Bisletti MokaPot, I put 17gram of powder,using Comandante X25@18clicks(basket is full). And 130 gram [e-mail] with room water temp@boiler.I got 66gram of coffee.And 33.5 gram water left at boiler. In case I put 120 gram water at boiler and 17gram powder at basket, is it still ok(not over extracted)? Many thanks in advance.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Thanks for the comment. I think 18 clicks is a bit too much, grind finer, 12/14 clicks. that will give you a more gentle flow, then if it's coming to fast and aggressive, remove the pot from the stove. You should get more water out.

[@SaikatPodder]

Should i use hot water or normal room temperature water?

[@noamkleiner8749]

He's got a whole video for that question.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

You can check this video to understand better kzbin.info/www/bejne/poCoYYuEirqhmNEsi=K1gV_WkfuUbhPu-n

[@HauThanhLam369]

Nice bro❤❤❤❤

[@PEEINFACE]

Very true Man!

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Thanks 🙏

[@Lego6980]

You confirmed my darkest suspicions

[@mvl6827]

Unnecessary to use a paper filter, but always fill the pot properly with the best ground coffee. (Spring) Water until just under the valve and your cuppa will be perfect!

[@MrSteamDragon]

Maybe unnecessary, but i think the clarity of the resultant liquor improves the overall mouth experience..IMHO. I have brewed without the filter and I find there is a distinct difference in mouth feel. But as always, YMMV...😊

[@marcvdm1111]

I think the Bialetti 6 cup's coffee basket is too big. If you fill it up to the brim it results in a too strong coffee to my taste. I prefer the Alessi Pulcina for many reasons (3 cups in this case) - the basket size is perfect when filled to the brim, there is never any spluttering at the end of the brew, and it comes with a heat distribution plate built-in ;-). The basket holds anywhere between 17.2 and 18 grams of coffee (depending on the kind of coffee) and results in a perfect brew with 140 grams of water. I use this "pre infusion method" where I take off the pot from the fire as soon as the first coffee comes out, then when the flow is almost gone I put the pot back on a really small fire. I no longer use my Bialetti... Years ago I did try less water and less coffee, but that doesn't give a good moka. I stopped doing that.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Yes, I also do that pre infusion method. works very well. I should try the Alessi Pulcina, Thank you very much for sharing your method.

[@CharalamposChavelos]

Great video Matteo! It's great seeing you describe concepts that I have already come to realise by myself and it's a great validation of my thought process!

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Very glad we are aligned!

[@krazmokramer]

Who brews "less coffee???" I had a 3 cup Moka. Sold it and bought a 6 cup Moka. Currently considering selling that Moka for a 10 cup Moka! The Alessi-Sapper series Moka includes a device to split the basket in half. I tried it....ONCE. Yuck.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Some people actually do. That's why I made this video.

[@sovo1212]

The video doesn't answer the question "how do I brew a softer coffee with the same amount of water?" I have a 3 cup moka, and I don't want to use less water or the amount of coffee is too small. Also I have IBS and the coffee ends up being too strong for me filling the basket to the top, so using just half of it is the better way to get a softer coffee. Probably an ideal solution would be to have smaller baskets to get different strengths.

[@TuesdaysTurn]

I'm not sure I understand you correctly, but I would try a 1 cup moka pot, and if that's too strong, then easy, just add a little hot water.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Coffee in the moka pot should be brewed to achieve a balance consistent extraction. If the result is too strong, add hot water after to drop the strength, but that won't change the extraction. I'm thinking the same about the smaller basket. I'm just waiting for a company that want listen to me and develop it 😂

[@sovo1212]

@@matteofromtheswamps but I would still drinking the same amount of coffee, just diluted in more water, and this would still give me problems because of my IBS. I try to share the coffee with another person whenever possible. Good you thought the same about the smaller basket. There's a local factory nearby where I live, I can try to contact them to make the suggestion, or even ask if they can make a custom basket for me.

[@spaz13b]

Or you can make 6 cups, and only drink what you want and save/dump the rest. 🤷‍♂️ Also, I drink 6 cups myself in one sitting almost every day.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

Yes of course, you can do that. But many people were asking this question, so I wanted to cover the topic

[@Tim.Traveler]

no way I can get 18g of coffee in the 3 cup Moka basket.

[@matteofromtheswamps]

That is probably because you use dark roasted coffee. That is normal, dark roast has less density so in the same volume of medium light roast, it weigh less