The Collapse of the PAC 12 Explained

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This past week, Washington and Oregon joined USC and UCLA in jumping ship from the PAC 12 and joining the BIG 10. Arizona, Arizona State and Utah joined Colorado in leaving for the BIG 12. This comes after a disastrous tenure of Commisioner Larry Scott who failed to solve the conferences problems, specifically a competitive media rights deal and failed cable network. In this video we break it down.
The Collapse of the PAC 12 Explained

[@PAlbertoSanchez]

You missed the entire failure to add the Texas/Oklahoma schools.

[@uttermanbo]

The Longhorn network was a part of that deal. Notice the SEC didn't let them keep it. Texas would have insisted on keeping it in the PAC a decade ago. Oklahoma didn't have the academic profile your West coast elitists wanted. Biggest mistake was overvaluing their brand, allowing USC to veto expansion talks two years ago. Oh and that whole PAC network thing, but doing it far worse than the B1G network. Because Scott wanted it 100 percent funded and owned by the conference. He had no partners to carry it. Champagne Larry liked the expensive office in San Francisco, the expensive network that was gonna change the business, and all the exterior fixings that went along with his three million dollars a year. He forgot to put in the work though.

[@PAlbertoSanchez]

@@uttermanboFully aware that Larry Scott was an idiot and couldn't just allow Texas to keep that, because that's what Texas did in fact do. They said they wouldn't come without their network. Scott said no. Pac 16 didn't happen.

[@gjfwang]

@@uttermanbo you're not going to make more money per team for your conference by adding 4 small schools. That's not overvaluing the brand, that's USC realizing they were getting 30 mil per year while big 10 and SEC schools were getting 60 mil from TV rights and the pac-12 asking to add mountain west schools in as equal partners in the conference before the next media deal. USC and UCLA jumped to big 10 as equal partners unlike Oregon and Washington who are gonna be taking half shares at 30 mil per year for the next 7 years until the next media deal.

[@richcampbell3502]

Also you could have touched on recent news articles that had Pac 12 added BYU they could have gotten a TV deal like 270 mil more, but over the past 30 years Pac 12 refused to entertain a religious school, but also passing on a media darling/ huge countrywide fan base

[@endcensorship874]

That was it. That was the moment. That was when Larry didn’t have the balls to pull off the move that makes the PAC1? the conference out west.

[@VivLeigh]

Thank you so much for this video. I'm a 64 year old female who graduated from an SEC school and now live in that city. I really never paid that much attention to the west conferences and was confused about all of this realignment but thanks to your video, not anymore. Moving the headquarters to San Francisco with their exorbitant rent prices should've been a huge red flag for all of those schools!

[@copocopocopocopo]

Cal Berkley and Stanford have both been in talks with the ACC. That's right, the freaking ATLANTIC Coastal Conference. Could you imagine Virginia at Stanford or vice versa?

[@alex042687]

Not a big deal for Football as it's a game let week. The massive logistics hurdle is the other sports(golf, track, squash, tennis, etc) that operate at a loss. Imagine how bad it feels to send Volleyball cross country to play CAL VS FSU. . .whatever school is traveling for the game is losing money as soon as they fire up the bus to get to airport.

[@richatlarge462]

They should rename it to All Coastal Conference (still = ACC). Not literally true, but sounds better than Ambi-Coastal Conference.

[@richatlarge462]

@@alex042687 Yes, you have hit upon it. For football, it's unaesthetic but no big financial issue. But for other sports, it makes no sense.

[@kaiacayennepepperodoggspen2731]

It’s done now!

[@23Kite]

Its crazy that the PAC 12 could have merged with the rest of the Big 12 after Texas Oklahoma left and turned their noses up at that. But man $90 million in rent alone? Crazy. Could have probably been in Las Vegas for a fraction of that.

[@calguy3838]

I agree that the writing was on the wall for the Pac 12 as soon as the departures of USC and UCLA were announced.

[@elwinjackson1818]

Last year was the final year for the Rose Bowl to have ties to the PAC12 and Big10. They're already scheduled to be part of the college football championship series from this year on.

[@SithScorp]

Even the Rose Bowl saw the writing on the wall.

[@w9gb]

The B1G Championship Game (Football) and Tournament (Basketball) will Rotate. Las Vegas already has shown West Coast interest. Rose Bowl should consider that opportunity for early December game (otherwise the LA professional NFL stadiums will step in).

[@elwinjackson1818]

When I referenced the Rose Bowl, I was talking about the Bowl game and not the structure. As the home venue for UCLA and part of the annual championship, it'll continue to be a part of college football. Beyond that, it's anyone's guess what role it'll play.

[@oldguysrock2170]

I moved from LA to Michigan 10 years ago! The first thing I noticed about the Pac12, was how many games started at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="630">10:30</a>pm in the Eastern Time Zone. Very few people watched Pac12 games! I placed blame on the powers to be at the conference level for basically damaging the conference’s exposure. Then not expanding with BYU, Fresno State, San Diego State, and Boise State; was a mistake! There was also some Big12 schools a few years ago who were considering the Pac12, but never pursued expansion. The media rights was greatly affected by late start times.

[@gjfwang]

It was more affected by USC and UCLA leaving due to equal revenue sharing. In the last TV deal, Pac-12 were getting 25 mil per team. And without UCLA and USC, they were still getting offers for 30 mil. But they wanted 45-50 each and wouldn't budge on equal revenue sharing. The big 12 then jumped at the same deal and it was now off the table for pac-12 If you expand, your overall media deal might be bigger but USC and UCLA would have still left from the revenue sharing. Yeah, Washington and Oregon joined Big 10 with USC and UCLA but they're not getting the same money as USC and UCLA. But its still better than whatever they would have gotten from AppleTV.

[@daaman81]

Heck even Texas Tech and Ok State alone could have saved the PAC

[@Edgar...]

Yeah the Pac 12 had so many opportunities to grow its national exposure and to thwart nearby competition by poaching more teams from the MWC and BIG12 but Larry Scott with the help of some of the schools ruined any chance this conference had at stability.

[@Magdalena8008s]

Oregon fan here. The Pac 12 had so much potential with competent leadership. Sadly, that didnt happen. It sucks how things played out. And of coarse, still alot of stuff we dont know. With that said, I am kinda exited about the potential of Oregon and Washington ending up in the BIG10 where they get more eyes on them.

[@Gertieness]

As a lifelong UW fan this sucks, a lot! Between team's not playing defense anymore, and the traditions and rivalries going away, I'm starting to become disillusioned with CFB

[@oldguysrock2170]

There is plenty of D in the Big10. Some really lousy offenses! UW should do well!

[@Gertieness]

@@oldguysrock2170 well for some reason the West Coast can't seem to produce lineman anymore, certainly not like the Midwest. I am starting to get pretty excited about the new matchups though

[@mongoslade277]

No more Apple Cup. No more Berkeley. No more Palo Alto & for what?? That great softball program gets to play in Lincoln, Nebraska now instead of Tuscon or Tempe. Smh

[@Gertieness]

@@mongoslade277 they're going to have to separate football from the other sports. They just play too many games to do that much traveling and they are still STUDENT athletes aren't they? Or maybe they're just going to give classes on the airlines 🤔

[@Edgar...]

@@Gertieness The West Coast is terrible for producing big beefy linemen for a variety of reasons: - Demographics: Large concentrations of Hispanics and Asians who tend to be smaller and leaner. So you get smaller players, instead of a defensive end you get a defensive back. Also smaller Black population compared to South and East Coast - Nutritional Habits: The West Coast is leaner and eats fewer calories than other regions of the country. For example, 7/10 most obese states are in SEC - Declining interest: Lower youth participation rate and more concerns of CTE - Different playstyles: This one is more anecdotal but I've seen that HS and Youth Football in the West tends to favor uptempo spread orriented offenses so they want faster usually smaller players. Not as big of a need for beefy linemen.

[@stischer47]

Oregon and Washington announced they were jumping before AZ finalized their jump.

[@robertgaritano7718]

AZ kept it hush hush.

[@w9gb]

@@asuhdude6668 Oregon was the most vocal, after USC/UCLA and Texas/OU departed Pac-12 and Big-12 for a change from Pac-12. Oregon executives traveled to Chicago autumn 2022 to talk to B1G commissioner & then flew to NYC to meet with TV media execs. Washington traveled to NYC (TV execs) about 7 months ago, then asked B1G execs to join meeting. Oregon was politely told that “full share $$” of closed B1G contract would not happen - no large $$ from TV media execs. B1G did offer a partial, with increasing share each year (identical to Rutgers/Maryland join process mid-contract). Full share when next B1G media contract is negotiated. Rumors are that Oregon waited until the Pac-12 media deal (Apple $20 million/each college) was announced - then $30 million was their target from B1G. Adding Oregon/Washington will force rework of football schedule - BUT will likely result in one less cross-country trip for teams. Nine conference games makes sense, I doubt return of region structure.

[@sterlingmarshel6299]

Oregon and UW were negotiating just after USC and UCLA left - it wasn't last minute

[@DTS_I]

@@asuhdude6668some teams literally left the conference just to not be left in the dust lol. ASU actually declined an offer to join the big 12 like a year prior. The agree to the very same deal just because Arizona Colorado and Utah left for the Big 12.

[@Spitfirethedragon]

Coast to coast conference will not last because there will be infighting, the culture differences, the debt the west coast schools with all the travel. To be fair, if you are winning games? You get the ratings out west. Fresno State, Boise State, Washington State, Washington, Oregon, Utah, BYU and USC had the better ratings out west. Fresno State and Boise State had their games on during the day time during east coast time period on CBS and Fox and they both would be in the middle of the Big 12 with the ratings. Nobody will be watching Arizona, Arizona State and Colorado in the Big 12 when they are losing. Just asked Kansas. The money and greed is actually killing college sports forever.

[@JK-vc7ie]

If the conferences get big enough then you really get back to the smaller regional conferences through divisions and/or pod scheduling. You would think that AZ, Utah, BYU, Colorado and ASU will all play each other every year. Throw in Texas Tech maybe.

[@grantgoatsav7622]

At this point I don't care if the Cougs go to the Mountain west or downsize to the Big Sky. Both make more sense than bandwagoning for the east coast conferences, and if we join the Big Sky we'd be one of the bigger colleges and would play U of Idaho every year for the Battle of the Palouse, which would be a big game because they are 7 miles from us.

[@richatlarge462]

This.

[@w9gb]

All Larry Scott had to do was follow Jim Delany’s (B1G) media moves (ESPN tried to low-ball B1G back in 2004), when B1G pivoted to Fox Sports after 30+ years with CBS & ESPN. His second BIG mistake - not building Pac12 network with Fox or ESPN. Better non-conference scheduling would have helped situation.

[@Gertieness]

What's Scott failed to do was pull his head out of his ass, incompetent sob

[@jiminarlington]

Dude you look like a young Christopher Walken or Kirk Herbstreit.

[@fussballmeister301]

More like a young Christopher Walken

[@timhowell6929]

Interesting, living here in Texas, I wondered why the pac-12 was imploding, not much visibility over here. Very good analysis, thank you.

[@tybo_g37s]

Pac12 shit themselves when they didnt let in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech

[@randominternet5586]

It's wild - you might add BYU and Baylor as well who were both interested - could have had a really strong conference, maybe drop a team or two on the low end.

[@blazersales]

Larry may not have been qualified… but his first couple of years were seen as successful (at the time). Though he didn’t land OK and TX, he was given accolades for trying and he still succeeded in bringing on Colorado and Utah (the later of which ended up carrying the banner for the conference during the last few years). The 2011 media deal was (at the time) considered excellent. Larry was given wide praise in 2010 and 2011… quite frankly… that’s what led to the problems. University presidents thought they were in good hands following Larry’s early wins… so they fell asleep at the wheel and didn’t hold him accountable for years as he doubled down on the PAC-12 network, moved to pricey San Fran, and basically ran the conference into the ground. Had he stumbled badly out of the gate, he would have never been given such a long leash.

[@rickstclair2217]

love how west coast people think that all other citizens in the US stay inside watching TV, never enjoying the oceans, mountains, rivers, lakes at all. a more accurate statement would be Los Angeles citizens do not watch football on tv whereas the rest of the country does.

[@gman7497]

Other than USC there's not a strong history for football in LA.. UCLA is only occasionally good, and the Rams and Raiders left, Rams came back but they have to establish themselves all over again.

[@andrewlandeen1843]

Excellent video! I was looking for an easy to understand explanation for why the PAC-12 collapsed. Great presentation, great delivery, great information.

[@rickjensen2035]

I am a Utah fan, but was a little confused about why the PAC12 was collapsing, but after seeing this video it all makes sense now. I have heard in the last few months that the so called "commissioner" was holding out to see what the BIG 10 or BIG 12 would do as far as the media rights goes and then make his move, which is a very dumb thing to do when your own conference is suffering.

[@gregmullanax4986]

Excellent analysis.

[@danieldepaolo3012]

The Rose Bowl game between the Pac-12 and Big 10 has been gone for a little while now. They are hosting a game in the CFB Playoffs every year.

[@user-vp3ho4vj5d]

Thanks. Enjoyed listening to your comments.

[@malikmcclain7869]

Extremely Poor to Zero Leadership. Daytime games could have easily been made into the bulk of football games played,except the desert schools, instead of scheduling night games that only West coast viewers could take in,not considering an East coast audience at all. The hiring and vetting process for a "qualified " conference leader should have been re-examined back when Larry Scott was about to be jettisoned, someone who has a strong administrative vision, as to where college athletics was heading. Management of Title nine, transfer portals,NIL's is just a microcosm of skillsets needed if your intent was to be a major player in modern college athletics. I would further re-examine the Pac-12 hiring committee's role in what has happened here.

[@slickricky55]

Sooo that's what happened. That's a shame that an entire conference imploded due to bad management. I myself was angered when Texas managed to break up the BIG XII, when they brokered a deal with ESPN for their own benefit which eventually lead to Nebraska and Colorado splitting, followed by Missouri and Texas A&M. Which happened again by Texas and Oklahoma leaving for the SEC.

[@tmen1476]

Great breakdown!

[@randominternet5586]

The crazy decisions I don't get - one not mentioned. One - saying NO to other great teams that wanted to be in the Pac-12. WHY? You live or die on this stuff. And there were some perfect good fits close by not requiring a far east coast trip! I do think it was some kind of weird elitism. Second one very obviously is just total hubris - turning down a 50/50 deal with ESPN? That would have been PERFECT!! Seriously nuts. Stringing out this media deal forever creating insane uncertainty? Even more recently blathering about Big 12 won't be taking anyone - clearly not in actual touch with the various schools in Pac-12 to really have a finger on the AD's pulses. The AD's must have just given up and been like we can't keep on waiting for a "near future" media deal or a continued Pac-12 standalone network. The costs are just icing on the cake, but also crazy - from pay for the commissioner and office move. PAC-12 was a great conference, it's wild that they blew it. Would have been good to have a proper media partner in this long ago to knock some sense into conference.

[@YakimaBob]

Sir, well explained! Brovo 👏🏼

[@dakf660]

Great breakdown of the end of the Pac12

[@jspiderflash5167]

Big 12 can say too any time zone, now that Arizona, ASU, BYU, Utah, and Colorado!!!

[@ReisterJP]

UTAH and BYU complained about the WAC travel.

[@mourka01]

Big 12 will be best basketball conference with Baylor Kansas and Arizona

[@ReisterJP]

@@mourka01 none of those teams made it to the final 4 last year

[@mourka01]

@@ReisterJP and no one watched the final 4 last year because of that lowest ratings in history

[@jspiderflash5167]

@@ReisterJP back in 1980???

[@Spitfirethedragon]

I think the best outcome for the FBS is that all the schools be under one and sell the rights to all networks including ABC, NBC, Fox, CBS, CW, ION and to cable like FS1, ESPN, TBS, TNT etc. You could actually pay schools be performance. Boise State is one example who have a winning record since 1999, and they are a P5 caliber team still not getting the call up. They beat Oklahoma, Georgia, Florida State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Washington, Oregon, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, etc. They have thew respect from a lot of people, and people will spend money to watch them play. That is what the networks are not thinking straight. You just don't toss hot teams aside and add teams that nobody watches.

[@gjfwang]

Winning record and ratings are two seperate things. And while you can ignore most the other sports, you can't ignore basketball. You're making the same mistake as the Pac-12 considering all schools as 'equal' except pegging it to records. Boise State's probably been more successful than Texas since 1999 but networks wouldn't pay 1/10th of what they would pay to Texas for football tv rights.

[@Spitfirethedragon]

@@gjfwang Boise State do get more tv ratings than they have population of the state at times. They are more of a national brand. Boise State do get better tv ratings than several P5 schools including Kansas, Oregon State at times, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, Stanford, California, Wake, Duke, Vanderbilt, Boston College, etc. Second, there have been talks about turning all sports into 1A and 1AA. The FBS conferences for all sports will make the other conferences have basketball like FCS. There are a lot of schools that wants to be in FBS right now. Big East would be FCS in basketball.

[@gilhernandeziii4031]

$92,000,000.00 in rent 😅😅😅 And these people are allegedly highly educated 😅😅😅?

[@Pidabred1]

time zone screws PAC 12 in so many ways, an unfortunate consequence of geography.

[@hanparker8002]

Over a 100 years wasted by one idiot, as a Husky, it’s sad to see the Apple Cup is more then likely gone and the possibility of UW to represent the Big10 in the Rose Bowl instead of the PAC is sickening

[@Gertieness]

That pretty much sums it up

[@bargainbuilds5422]

As a WSU student, I'll miss getting our ass kicked by UW every year. See y'all one last time 🫡

[@Gertieness]

@@bargainbuilds5422 well there still going to be non-conference games, just not as many. Considering the history, I would think the powers-that-be would find a way to make it happen

[@ballhawk387]

What's the point of even *having* conferences any more? I'd much prefer to can the divisions and conference championship games, have conferences of 10 or less with regional identity, including traditional conferences, in which each team plays each of the others in the conference, with a 16 team playoff, objective tie-breakers and the first round substituting for the silly conference championship games, who have automatic berths, plus at large berths to fill the 16. Then have an objective model-based seeding system , with the top seeded teams playing at home or a venue of their choice until the quarterfinals, which are then handled as the current playoff. But that makes way too much sense, so it won't happen.

[@gilhernandeziii4031]

Don't forget the high ticket 🎟️ prices and high priced hotdogs, drinks and merchandise 😮😮😮 ?

[@w9gb]

B1G Sports now covers East to West Coast, as you noted 11AM to 11PM, the “True College Sports Day”. Big 12 addition of 4 corner colleges adds Rocky Mountains - becoming the second college conference with that time profile. ACC and SEC are southeast and southern USA “regional conferences” tied to ESPN media deals. ACC added SMU, California, and Stanford - BUT it is anticipated that Florida State and Clemson will eventually leave (Miami looking). ESPN walked out of the B1G negotiations, during final week, and rumored to have regretted decision (Big12 media deal Fox/ESPN like old B1G deal 8 years ago). CBS Sports (kicked out by SEC) - now get B1G best game for 3 PM (mid-afternoon). NBC Sports (Notre Dame partner) - get a B1G Saturday Night game to Pair with a Notre Dame game earlier on Saturday. Notre Dame’s football schedule (away games) with B1G members assures coverage on NBC, CBS, or Fox TV stations.

[@JK-vc7ie]

East coast? Nobody wants to watch Rutgers or Maryland. Doesn’t matter which time zone they are in. People want to watch the top teams on TV.

[@w9gb]

@@JK-vc7ie BUT the Colleges/Universities want the TV/Media Dollars. TV wants the Nielsen Ratings/Viewers watching (Ad sponsors). NO Secret … it’s a “Mad Men” Game with Don Draper laughing.

[@67L48]

The TV/media thing was a massive failure that hurt in two critical areas: 1) Money. PAC-12 Network was a dismal failure. Couldn't hardly find it anywhere for the first 5+ years. Games don't begin until 9 PM or later, Pacific Time, so fewer audience = lower ratings = lack of revenue from advertising and no interest from other networks. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy loop ... a race to the bottom for both ratings and money. 2) Recruiting. How do families watch their star athlete kids on TV? How do all of the scouts and media, which are heavily biased toward living in the east, see my star athlete kids on TV? How are the players featured, how are they seen, and so on? So, the Scott era drove a dagger through the heart of the conference because he simply failed to do anything to make the PAC-12 a viable, compelling conference for either member schools or the athletes those schools were trying to recruit. He was arrogant and took a "too big to fail" approach to how he managed the conference ... and the schools were seemingly happy to watch the slow implosion of their conference (i.e., the schools did it to themselves).

[@atrain132]

The collapse of the pac-12 explained: Money & Greed.

[@dacoolguym7507]

Conference of Champions? They only get that from schools like Stanford, USC, and UCLA. Honestly, they should be the conference of Cannibals by the way they ate each other up in the past 10 years

[@lesbrattain6864]

Thanks. As a UW Graduate now living in Arizona the PAC 12 is the only conference I am interested in BUT the games come on too late. Very sorry to see it go but there is always the pros. Cardinals anyone? What am I saying?

[@joeblow7407]

Its called business consolidation.......Big time college football is now PRO sports........but ONLY a few teams will have the big NIL money..........maybe around 40 in football!.....Top SEC, Big 10 in particular!!!!!

[@LBNewsstation]

Yes!!!!!

[@Spitfirethedragon]

That is now how to run college sports. The colleges don't have the money like the pro teams because NFL only have one sport while colleges have from 15 to 30 sports.

[@mongoslade277]

​@@SpitfirethedragonWhat happened to college football being an amateur sport?? Guess not

[@VitoIsPuffBunny]

@@mongoslade277 that happened when colleges started to get millions of dollars while the athletes got brain damage instead of payment. College sport amateurism is just a way to not pay the kids in trenches earning that money.

[@mongoslade277]

@@VitoIsPuffBunny Exactly. I was asking 20 years ago that if major college football is "amateur" why are coaches getting paid millions of dollars for an "amateur" sport

[@NeverlandSystemAngel]

Larry Scott KILLED his conference... badly... and QUICKLY... and man was it brutal.

[@tchinn79]

I think the PAC-4 is gonna need to go up to the MW and say let’s merge together and form the PAC-16. It doesn’t sound sexy but at least you have SDSU in the fold and there’s Las Vegas. For this to work the TV deal must be lucrative for this to happen. The MW schools get like $4m a year. The remaining 4 got about $30m a year. If this were to work Apple will need to dish out some more cash…it could be more than the $4m for the MW schools, let’s say $10m. But for the remaining 4 it’s a big discount to swallow but to keep the pac (insert number) alive you may have to take this deal. Either way the remaining 4 are screwed.

[@km8950]

Excellent synopsis of the destruction of the PAC-12

[@richatlarge462]

All they have to do now is erase the "1" from "Pac 12".

[@FranklinKoonce-jz1bj]

THEE JSU IS THEE STANDARD ❤️ THEEILOVE!!!!!!!

[@mikethomas860]

Doesn't matter if those West Coast games are played under the Pac 12 or Big Ten banner. Those 10 PM games will not be watched by most viewers.

[@CarlAdams-lc6oz]

His name is George not David.

[@LBNewsstation]

Corrected with asterisk in post

[@zplapplap]

His name is mud.

[@mourka01]

I think we just end up with 3 20 team conferences acc will be raided

[@elfofcourage]

Guess they should call themselves the “The PAC 4” now.

[@skipklauber1162]

Nothing you said is incorrect. In fact, this is an excellent analysis. However it is a mistake not to emphasize the role of extreme prejudice and elitism of the PAC. BYU should have been invited into the PAC four decades ago. PAC schools, esp certain schools, outright refused to have an LDS institution amongst them. Just a few years ago the PAC could have taken Baylor, eg, from a B12 in chaos but refused to permit a Baptist university to join. The PAC, esp certain schools, always referenced “cultural” issues. Hmmm, “cultural” issues? Those issues were flat out prejudice and elitism on behalf of schools like Cal and Berkeley. Not very inclusive or diverse in their thinking, was it? The PAC got what it deserved

[@WolverineIncognito]

Cal and Berkeley are the same school. But your point is still valid.

[@skipklauber1162]

@@WolverineIncognito my carelessness! I meant Cal & Stanford

[@w9gb]

You forgot Texas in 2005, after Rose Bowl win. Texas looked at independent football status (like Notre Dame) and talked to Pac-12 about joining. Outside of Texas, their audience numbers ($$) not that great. Texas did not have dance partner to join Pac-12 (Texas even talked to BigTen) - and Texas brings their “Lone Star” demands (helped dissolve Southwest conference with member departures).

[@skipklauber1162]

@@w9gb Thank you for such an excellent point. Schools like USC, Cal, Stanford, USC & even UW could not come to grips with UT being on their academic level. The idiocy of the self designated elite has no limits. A few years back UT Law moved into the T-14 in law schools. The so called elite screamed & howled like little girls with a scraped knee. But overall I still contend the outright prejudice vs BYU dating back 40 yrs is exhibit A in why Good Riddance PAC!

[@skipklauber1162]

Sorry, I meant to include UCLA, not USC twice. I’m moving around & was again careless

[@redarcher1416]

College football and basketball need to unionize. They need to work out a revenue sharing agreement. A certain % of the TV, ticket sale and merch sales should go to each team. Then set a min and max pay scale. Then the GM and head coach sign players based on their budget. The labor of player should be made their market value. My labor should barely benefit me, but fund all these other sports programs. Also require the student to take 8 credit fall & spring. 3 hours during the summer. The player pay instate tuition. End scholarship by giving paychecks. People demand equal pay and benefits. Every team would get an equal share of the money that their team earned. They don't have a right to the fruit of someone else's labor.

[@jcatkins5536]

And now, only two remain, and they're probably going to the Mountain West. Whether they do or not, with the Bay snobs joining SMU in the ACC, the once-vaunted Pac-12 is fully, and absolutely, no more.

[@richatlarge462]

It's the Pac 2 lol. But yeah, WSU easily fits in the Mountain West based on geography, whereas OSU will just have to choose a conference of convenience.

[@imagereader_9]

Egad! With the demise of the PAC 12 the Rose Bowl might have to resort to admitting teams from unworthy and even unsanitary conferencs like the SEC! OMG!!

[@cs292]

Where is Stanford?

[@arkangelarkangel1302]

Their going to be like Cal... I have a son who is at Stanford and another at Cal... both will either go INDEPENDENT or slash their athletics dept... because who's kidding who both are Academic powerhouse practically IVY LEAGUE SCHOOLS... their just in California... they both are more Cal Tech then anything else... which is where I graduated from.

[@twomasta]

Independent

[@w9gb]

IF Notre Dame were to join B1G, Stanford was frequently mentioned as their dance partner. However, Independent for football and WCC for other sports likely outcome.

[@hunteroneill7300]

@@arkangelarkangel1302 you went to Cal tech but still don't have there, they're and their figured out?

[@mikethomas860]

Please MWC take the 4 remaining Pac 12 Teams. They don't generate much in TV revenue, but please take them

[@mem74]

You can’t be an authority if you get the timeline wrong

[@motap001]

The Rose Bowl. It going to be the the 24 team playoff.

[@billlong8385]

Two words: Larry Scott

[@NeverlandSystemAngel]

Money is RUINING college football...

[@Cletus_the_Elder]

Larry Scott made $50 million from the Pac-12. $50 million for running it to the ground. That is a good-sized jackpot that he believes he earned. $50 million. How much did the players make? $0.

[@KHallesy]

Money has ruined the Pac 12. Thats all you need to say!

[@juliansmith1951]

They're were snobbish and completely arrogant

[@OldSgtsMaj52]

In short... It all comes down to a 🧺 of 🍎's.

[@Robert-eg2oy]

Why you not mention Texas and Oklahoma ? You screwed up…….

[@baylorbear0358]

Go woke. Go Broke.

[@sterlingmarshel6299]

tired saying - come up something original

[@Gertieness]

It definitely ain't original, but it ain't tired yet either

[@stephencjacks]

Oregon State and Washington State will never be in the B1G. NEVER!

[@HubertofLiege]

It’s ok we’ll win the pac four

[@mongoslade277]

​@@HubertofLiege😂

[@user-fq7ku9rw3j]

i'm just a fan and could of run the PAC 12 better than these greedy F****

[@thegreenarrow8286]

I hate to say thus but the rose bowl just isn’t that big of deal as it was back in the day

[@w9gb]

That is saddest lost. However, rotating B1G Football Championship should consider (Las Vegas highly desires opportunity).

[@Djiehh]

The Rose Bowl could simply be the Big 10 championship game from now on. 😅

[@Colin-Fenix]

Blah. blah, blah!

[@jimmykelly4138]

Good riddance, crappy league top to bottom, I used to call it the lack 12, besides usc no other school won a national championship, Washington shared one, Colorado won before they joined the lactating 12. No one will miss that trash

[@alex042687]

Larry Scott and Kliavkofd must have been a DEI hires. . . .

[@ronlowney4700]

Those "Who Can't" Teach! 🤣 Liberal Logic Never Works! 😳

[@Phoenix85006]

"David" Kliavkoff? Thumbs down dude 👎👎

[@mongoslade277]

He wrote the correct name while he said the wrong name. Even put an ✳ by it

[@VictorFoster-dr4nf]

Forget about getting an education is just making dummies out of everybody

[@cjhan9816]

PAC CONF < BIG CONF = W/C < E/C.