The Collapse | The Story Behind '04 Team USA

[@kalmkorn]

they shoulda just send the 2004 Pistons at the Olympics back then...

[@thomasbrackpool8568]

Every game would have been 54-50

[@bobbyloveoblock6580]

@@thomasbrackpool8568 i mean at least usa would’ve won🤣

[@michaelscottoriginal]

Agreed. Would have been ugly and boring but would have matched up well.

[@Trenacetate43]

Lol Ikr. All the 5 starters were Americans anyway. Billups, sheed, ben wallace, prince, and hamilton

[@tongpocalypse151]

That was the sentiment back then as well, right after the first loss.

[@saulnores3477]

Argentina defeated the USA in 2002 World Cup in Indianapolis and in 2004 Olympics semiginals in Athens. It's not a coincidence. That is "Argentina's Golden Generation". Great talent and a great coach too.

[@saulnores3477]

@@mazdakmina9493 I din't say Argentina eliminated the USA in 2002. I said Argentina defeated the USA (this happened on september 4th - Argentina won 87-80). It was the first time a Team USA full of NBA players lost a game EVER. This was worldwide breaking news. What you said happened on September 5th (the following day), Yugoslavia eliminated the USA 81 - 78 in the quarter finals. Please read well before commenting. untrue facts.

[@facundoriesco1369]

@@saulnores3477 vestite

[@jonator5715]

02 USA tram was full of nobodies

[@zes3813]

wrr

[@mykeforu]

@@saulnores3477 shitteee u gotta calm ur tits brotha 🤣

[@stocksguy4565]

That team was not able to hit 3 pointers. They forgot “to take shooters” in 2004. Why will you take 10 guys that are “slashers to the rack” instead of taking at least 3 or 4 perimeter shooters. The other team played a lot of zone against that 2004 team. Since they couldn’t shoot for shit...they got embarrassed by Puerto Rico and Argentina.

[@markpagtama7954]

@Westside Chicago goddamn, how much help does team usa need

[@acusticsunri4255]

That's Larry Brown for you... Mr Defense and low Score

[@benjaminan1183]

Melo is a shooter.

[@sheli5483]

That's like if the Orlando Magic played zone on this team. Still supposed to win.

[@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO]

You could've sent 2 NBA Second Stringers for every position (10 Guys) from 1988 and they would beaten everyone they played LIKE THEY STOLE SOMETHING. Challenge Me to come up with a Roster #deadass😐

[@Caro-ul7so]

Argentina was a team, the US wasn't. Period.

[@nikoenciso01]

😂 FREAKIN BUMS!!!

[@ginjjiigok364]

bad coaching.

[@terrenceharris-hughes4436]

​@@ginjjiigok364 and bad selection

[@Strikerage]

Hi

[@iamlegend3669]

​@@nikoenciso01Kicked your a$$es😅

[@corpyhogan4433]

Barely playing Lebron, Melo, and Wade was a mistake

[@dindajgnmrh2177]

With larry brown as coach that was never gon happen mans prioritizes seniority rather than talent

[@noodles6281]

Makes you wonder a what if scenario, if the Pistons drafted Carmelo instead. He becomes a bench warmer just like Darko. Would his career be different with his confidence down the toilet? He would, however, had gotten a ring.

[@yichen1466]

Didn’t matter when duncan got shafted by the fiba refs…

[@stocksguy4565]

Lack of shooters.

[@qp7888]

@@noodles6281 lol melo came off a NCAA championship as a rookie. I really doubt they would bench him when they’re only offensive threats were Chauncey and Rip

[@LaughingJokerProd]

Me before watching: How could they have lost? Look at that roster! Me after watching: Larry Brown.

[@raymondsolisjr.1262]

Worst coach to win a Championship

[@mike.cdn7212]

@@raymondsolisjr.1262 thats quite harsh

[@danielpak7264]

That roster is not that good at all

[@luisvergara6502]

Who was the problem in 2006? Coach K?

[@JomoDaMusicMan]

@@danielpak7264 the roster was great, it was good as any, in fact that team could've beat the dream team, if they had the right coaching staff, they had lots of young talent while the dream team had an injured Bird, a Magic that hadn't played one gm in NBA that season, Stockton was also injured. all of the 04 team was young and ready to play

[@josecastillo-lj7no]

This year could have a repeat of this but Durant has been carrying the team on his back. Overall, team play hasn't been bad but Durant is clutch and willing to take big shots when down.

[@mike.cdn7212]

I agree without Durant, I don't see them winning gold. Durant is probably the best Team USA player ever.

[@manz7860]

Dame has gone downhill since a bit before that

[@John-jm4nv]

@@mike.cdn7212 Melo is .

[@gabepizza]

@@John-jm4nv Melo? haha Maybe against Nigeria. He doesn't play in crunch time in the real games.

[@zes3813]

wrr

[@ronbarnabei8226]

I remember watching that semi finals game and wondered why they didn’t play Wade and Carmelo more. If I remember correctly they looked like they wanted to be on the court and play but some of the other players didn’t look as focused. Damn shame.

[@younglove3362]

Because they were rookies. Kobe, tmac, Garnett, Wallace, and even Billups and Hamilton would have been better in the line up. Brown is not the culprit here.

[@Bot89895]

@@younglove3362nine of the best players didn’t go because Larry was the coach. It literally says that’s after the intro lol

[@justinpalmier]

There's a saying that "Coaches don't win games. Players do. Coaches can lose games." Definitely applies here

[@286mic]

So players hold no accountability except when they're winning? Alright.

[@chad9113]

I don't know about that coz most of the time I hear people blaming it to Lebron..

[@davenue3428]

Ok， from now on, coaches not allowed.

[@sheli5483]

Mutiny?

[@trollkenobi6727]

Let’s look at another pro sport’s team, the Cowboys Jerry Jones had commented any coach could win a chip with all the firepower they had. Now let’s look at how many chips they won without Jimmy Johnson. Just 1 when they had 2 with Johnson.

[@balltalkdeep]

finally getting the details and insight on what went wrong with this team makes alotta sense

[@finnbalor8021]

10 of the original 12 players selected dropping out over 6 months and with replacing younger players not yet ready will do that. The 2003 Qualfying team is so different than the 2004 one

[@criss9938]

How about 2006? Still reasoning?

[@NutsNBerries]

The NBA still had so many players to choose from…no excuses

[@finnbalor8021]

@@NutsNBerries talent wasn’t as deep now from 99-03

[@patfer1189]

This leaves out some more context: the issues didn't start right on 2004. Going back two years Team USA also had lost the 2002 FIBA World Cup, losing to some of the same teams as in the Olympics (Argentina, for example). USA Basketball was in disarray after Sydney. And it wasn't just Brown. The team formation was odd and uneven. For example the team have very poor three point shooters and thus they would struggle against interior defenses with no chances to open the middle up. Many players refused to go due to the threat of terror attacks, but even then there was an entire league of players they could have tried to get. It is not just a matter of getting the most skilled or talented players. It is about getting the right players to build a team. To top off the disgrace, the team itself didn't do itself any favors. Instead of taking the loss like champs they acted like prima donnas during while receiving the bronze medals. Most, outside of Duncan, Iverson, and a few more, behaved really bad during the ceremony acting as if it was beneath them and they were owed the gold medal. It was a shameful team.

[@kidpeligro7878]

I even think its much earlier than that. For me the first signs of trouble started in 2000 Sydney itself when they barely got past Lithuania in the semi finals

[@PresbianTier]

If you watched the video the narrator mentions that Team US lost in the 2002 FIBA championships.

[@LapNgo-h9u]

Just looking at that team and there's an obvious, glaring weakness: Perimeter shooting. Also a lack of a true pass first, facilitating PG. And to go with that, why are there 5 SFs???

[@NutsNBerries]

Exactly Almost similar to what I said 😂

[@Doje]

but it birthed the 2008 redeem team 🔥🔥🔥

[@joshuaorolfo3160]

with kobes leadership

[@alfaruuto5182]

Which almost lost to a country with about 15% of the USA population.

[@pizzaperson1096]

@@alfaruuto5182 "almost"

[@nestorburgos1185]

😂😂😂😂

[@GloryBoyz3004L]

I cant say it enough... Yall videos are soo great

[@tongpocalypse151]

Folks didn't wanna blame Brown at the time since he just took the Pistons to the championship but hindsight really is 20-20.

[@luisvergara6502]

What's the excuse for 2006? Coach K?

[@applycontext9161]

@@luisvergara6502 who’s to blame then?

[@luisvergara6502]

@@applycontext9161 Team construction ma man. It ain't about the coach, it's about the players. The same happened in 2006 with coach K. That 2004 team as well as the 2006 team had a bunch of star players that didn't know how to play the international game period. No shooting, no ball movement, low IQ players who thought they would get by with just atleticism. A bunch of one on one players who were ball stoppers. The 2006 team had the exact same problem. A bunch of ball stoppers who couldn't move the ball starting with Lebron, Melo, CP3 and Wade who had the highest usage rate on the team unlike the 2004 squad. All i hear: Brown didn't play Lebron, Wade, and Melo enough. That's why they lost. He sucks as a coach". Well, Lebron had the highest usage rate of any player in 2006 followed by Melo, Wade and CP3. Who's to blame? Coach K? I don't care who's the coach. If the players can't get it done it's on them. Wear it!

[@markcowser2403]

That Failure was Larry Browns Fault

[@jengibre4449]

I remember that day, Argentina won basketball and soccer gold medal at the same day. That country is pure talent for sports.

[@dangracey3076]

Non M min Goff 😊 1:46 1:46

[@Zagirus]

2 days ago, they won another major trophy in -soccer- football. Great country!

[@NutsNBerries]

They got lucky Won’t happen again

[@rodbeee]

​@@wiseandstrong3386world cup and 2 copa america maybe 🤔

[@Henry-y8b9q]

​@@Zagirus Soccer SOCCER that is what is called😀😀😀

[@rell4219]

Before I even watch the video, I just want to say that with a talent pool like this one has, the biggest factor to the losing must be bad coaching. Position by position, this team had too many advantages.

[@e921f]

Yeah you can blame it somewhat on coach but don’t matter who played USA aka the NBA should always win for thr most part but rest of world is catching uo

[@BingCherry11]

@@e921f The real test to see if the world is "catching up" would be to put a team like Italy who for a time was enjoying getting away with playing 5 players all game long. Make that team Italy play an entire NBA season 5 vs 12 every night and we will see what kind of condition those 5 five players will be in come play offs time when the war really begins!!!! I sincerely doubt they would win come in and dominate the league!!! The NBA Season and Play offs is the real test not a short little tournament!!! Any thing can happen during a couple of games on foreign courts but the real test would be and entire NBA Season and long play offs on our courts with our refs and our rules and with our fans!!!!

[@e921f]

@@BingCherry11 Giannis ? Jocik? Luka?

[@danielpak7264]

Not really these players were really young and not what they were you have a team with no ball movement and iso scorers ur going to lose

[@rell4219]

@@danielpak7264 who’s job is it to train/play the players that are moving the ball and executing the plays correctly?

[@kidpeligro7878]

The video kind of glossed over the part that warning signs of rest of the world was catching up to USA have been showing as early as 2000 Olympics with their close wins against Lithuania with them getting quite a scare in the semis

[@anthonyriche552]

True! I remember the signs were there but we (US) really thought we could just show up and win every time. With each Olympics, teams got more and more confident and discovered our weaknesses. If there's one thing to be learned from the game of sports, it's that ANYONE can be beaten.

[@nightcrusader5047]

Guys literally love your content 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@jaycobdelacruz3789]

Making iverson play too much was also a problem

[@danielpak7264]

Yeah but ur larry brown and ur going to give A i alot of time

[@anthonyzarate9807]

Having AI play at all was a problem! He was a shot jacker who played little to no defense and was a mismatch almost every game on defense!!!

[@fbwkeezy]

@@anthonyzarate9807 4:12 🤧

[@anthonyzarate9807]

@@fbwkeezy The team would have NEVER have needed that shot had Marbury & AI not been on the team. I promise you, the Pistons or the Spurs teams would have been up by 20+ and would never need a prayer like that. The problem was they all wanted to play hero ball, not only is that a losing formula, it ruins the entire team morale and everybody just plays for themselves. I played and coached competitive HS varsity and JC basketball most of my life (over 40 years) and I'm telling you players that shoot such a horrible % and shoot a ton of shots (while playing little to no defense) destroys a team.

[@sonnyallagonez5776]

@@anthonyzarate9807 🤡

[@Irfanhill]

It's true that 2004 was the lowest point of Team USA's Olympics history, don't forget that in 2000 in Sydney Team USA had a very narrow victory against Lithuania in semi finals and then beat France by "only" 10 points in the finals. Yes, the USA destroyed France in group stage (where VC dunked over Frédéric Weis and literally changed his life because of that) but the final game was very close. More than anything, Lithuania could have beaten Team USA, behind a great performance by Jasikevicius. To be honest, 2000's Team USA might have been the weakest roster post 1992 and was also the most hateable - we all wished they were the ones who lost.

[@beats2deepbrother]

Fairley new fan here, I'd just like to ask why were the Team USA Rosters of the 2000's the most hateable?

[@AqwDragulum]

I wasn't old enough to watch the 2000s team. Why are they hateable?

[@blastomaticdisel6189]

If you were familiar with Rudy Tomjonovich's coaching style with the Rockets, you should not be surprised why those games were narrowly won by the U.S..

[@teddyjun1]

Problem behind this team? Larry Brown. He was too old schooled to coach LBJ, Melo, Marbury and DWade. Did not know how to properly utilize these players.

[@manz7860]

I'd say Tim Duncan and Allen Iverson.

[@luisvergara6502]

Really? Who was the problem in 2006? Coach K? He didn't play Lebron, Wade and Melo either?

[@danielpak7264]

U have a team with no point guard or ball movement ur gunna lose

[@jeovecabalquinto]

As we know the fact that Larry Brown didn't use rookies and he only uses them after their first season to make an All Star during their second season.

[@mstaken7716]

@@danielpak7264 well Dwade is playing point guard that time

[@hiphopsince81]

“Brown sought scapegoats everywhere but in the mirror.” Bingo.

[@StrawHatErwin]

Luis Scola is still grinding

[@blastomaticdisel6189]

Played his final Olympic game last week.

[@rajaalahmar4371]

What a great channel

[@Dangic23]

I still have all the next morning Newspapers that came out in Puerto Rico, after that win. Got 4 of them. El Nuevo Día El Vocero Primera Hora San Juan Star

[@NJohnGA10]

As most people kept pointing out that not playing LeBron more minutes was the downfall, it’s not. He was not yet at his peak during that time. It will definitely better than playing the others tho. But the main problem was team chemistry and coaching which was a wreck, it’s like most of them does not want to be there.

[@TheHuskyK9]

Larry Brown didn't want to play the youngsters (LeBron, Wade, Melo, and Stoudemire) and preferred playing the vets, that was the main issue. Unfortunately, the vets were bricking all over the place and Larry refused to adapt.

[@MarkelScott100]

Lebron at 19 was still insane lmao

[@NutsNBerries]

Nobody could check him Idc how old he was That’s the whole point of playing with vets They were there to lead the way Everybody on that team had game Yall don’t know anything about basketball

[@francoisobasi1310]

If coach Brown had just given these young cats the ball and let them play we would never had lost. Old dude pushing his style to young dudes. Never works.

[@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO]

When all else fails... Blame the Coach.

[@DMalltheway]

Makes you wonder if Carmelo would be this good if he was drafted by the pistons.

[@danortega748]

Really brown didnt gave them chances

[@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan6687]

If we blame benchwarmer LeBron over 2004 loss against Argentina.. we should blame benchwarmer Juwan Howard over Miami Heat NBA finals lose over Dallas

[@vincenthammons6705]

I blame the refs for sending wade to the line 100 times

[@younglove3362]

Yes 06 was rigged. But you're missing the point. LeBron was a rookie and not even a top 5 player on the team or even in the NBA at the time.

[@leadlefthand]

08:30 - Let's get one thing clear: Kobe Bryant led that 2008 squad. When Team USA was imploding against Spain, it was Kobe that took over and won that gold medal.

[@johnlemon2916]

Kobe is the best in the final game against Spain but Wade is the best for throughout the tournament.

[@leadlefthand]

@@johnlemon2916 Kobe's role under coach K was defense, which was what he did. But when the the team was failing to score in the final game allowing Spain to mount a comeback, Kobe took the scoring load as well to seal the deal. Remove Kobe from that team, USA wouldn't walk away with the Gold Medal. Remove DWade from that team, Kobe could make up the loss and carry more load on the offensive end. There's a new documentary coming out covering the redeem team and Coach K said in an interview he had concerns with the make up of the team and he suggested they needed Kobe Bryant. Those were his words. So even the coach admits Kobe was the best.

[@johnlemon2916]

@@leadlefthand The team is full of superstars and taking Kobe alone won't affect the team. Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Melo in their prime and USA is unstoppable.

[@leadlefthand]

Except Lebron and Wade were already in the 04 Olympic team that could only get Bronze. They are hardly unstoppable, especially when you consider it was Kobe who shut down Carmelo Anthony in the 09 Western Conference Finals where the Lakers won in 6. Even with the size difference, Kobe defended Anthony well. Simply put, Kobe was the main piece that the coaching staff determined they needed to win the Gold Medal.

[@johnlemon2916]

@@leadlefthand they are only youngsters at that time but in '08 they're entering their prime.

[@JuanseGuich]

I hope whit time people recognize and speak more about how talent, well coach AND good was that Argentinan team...dont say ur point of view Is wrong, but merit to Argentina...

[@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO]

Argentina will soon be beating the USA in Basketball like they stole something on a regular basis because USA Guys leave high school knowing everything already. Just ask them, they'll tell You.

[@saulnores3477]

Of course!! Argentina was a team full of talented players. Most of them played in the NBA and others retired and refused going to the NBA.

[@NewGoldie]

I've always felt like Tim Duncan got a fckn disney fast pass for this. Dude had some of the most dominant playoff runs you'll ever see. Yet a bronze medal in the olympics? Like how did he allow that? Idc they had enough talent to figure it out.

[@tsalisabidanurdin4548]

Agree

[@connormacleod1490]

2003 USA MEN'S OLYMPIC QUALIFYING TEAM were the once suppose to go in the 2004 olympics. Most of the 2003 team members made excuses and left, Duncan was so dissapointed he never join the olympics again.

[@NewGoldie]

@@connormacleod1490 Still had plenty of star power anyway. Duncan wasnt nearly his dominant self, seemed like he didn't care.

[@Dommy521]

Facts people act like rookie Lebron is responsible for this lol

[@srj34]

@@NewGoldie Star power, as in big names, yes. Not actual stars after Duncan at that time. Lebron and Wade weren't half the players they would become. Melo was also years from his best, even though he's always been highly overrated. Amare Stoudemire was terrifying with a great point guard, but Team USA in 2004 didn't have one. They had Allen "41%" Iverson and Stephon Fraudbury running the point. (Stoudemire was also not too good on the defensive end) Carlos Boozer was always second-tier. Shawn Marion was always a great role player, but he was never a player the opposition had to gameplan against. Lamar Odom was always a mixed bag except for those few seasons playing with Kobe and Pau. Emeka Okafor was a really, really, really poor man's Ben Wallace. And like Stoudemire, Richard Jefferson needed a great PG to be his most effective. And please, where's the outside shooting on this roster?

[@anon2414]

Crazy how this team had Tim Duncan and Allen iverson but they blame 18 year old lebron 😂😂😂. Legoat. Just shows his greatness

[@cherimoneeboone7127]

His haters sound more and more stupid everyday they say clown shit like Duncan better than Lebron but put the 04 loss on Lebron 😂😂

[@georgebrown1575]

A rookie who barely played 😂😂😂 shit is comical

[@sakimtornado]

@@anon2414 how about 2006 then? what is your excuse?

[@anon2414]

@@sakimtornado have no clue what ur talking about but in 2006 lebron was 20 years old and Jordan at 20 was still in college 😂😂😂. Ur proving my point of lebrons greatness

[@sakimtornado]

@@anon2414 insecure much with mj? Didnt even mention him. How bout 2003-2011? Whats your excuse. always knocked out of the playoffs?

[@ludvigborga3676]

This team should've been... PG - Allen Iverson, Jason Kidd SG - Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Tracy McGrady C - Shaquille ONeil, Ben Wallace SF - Vince Carter, Paul Pierce PF - Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan

[@albertwong1182]

Actually, Jason Kidd was injured that summer and Kobe Bryant was dealing with his sexual assault case. So I don’t think those two guys would have been able to join even if they wanted to.

[@everydaydose7779]

lmao everyobe you mention declined or wasnt available

[@LopezZeta]

​​​@@albertwong1182for the record- it was a rape case and they dragged that woman in the press and paid her off to drop the case. Kobe was rapist and got what deserved in the end.

[@plpa8250]

Actually Shaq was available he just didn't like Larry Brown. He said he's pretty sure he's going to be injured that particulat time of 2004 which is a disrespectful way of saying he doesn't want to play for Brown.

[@cactusjack2264]

⁠@@plpa8250also there was a lot of fallout from the Lakers previous season from desperately signing old and aging Gary Payton and Karl Malone to chase (what they thought was) an easy championship, to losing in the Finals, to Kobe’s rape case, and on top of that Kobe and Shaq started to drift apart and not get along. By the time the offseason came around Shaq was thinking about his future and he ended up signing with the Miami Heat. So I would say Shaq had ALOT on his plate at that time and the Olympics was an afterthought.

[@seanhurley4003]

The 2002 dream team loss to Yugoslavia was the precursor. Also, no mention of the 2006 loss to Greece. Whether it's Olympics or FIBA World Cup, it's still a team led by multi-time NBA All Stars.

[@astorbergonzoni]

2002 they lost to argentina also

[@PresbianTier]

2004 only had two NBA all stars so negative.

[@seanhurley4003]

@@astorbergonzoni did they! I didn't know that

[@seanhurley4003]

@@PresbianTier you mean only 2 guys who played the all star game earlier that year. So I'll edit it. 2004 was a team led by multi-time all stars: Tim Duncan Stephon Marbury Allen Iverson Carlos Boozer Shawn Marion Lebron, Wade, and Carmelo were bench warmers

[@PresbianTier]

@@seanhurley4003 thanks. I was too lazy to type all that

[@matthewc3488]

Just look at the gaurds. Iverson and Mauberry. Great individual talents with losing attitudes, me first mindsets, and no defense.

[@poundbagcom]

Iverson? You did see him drag a D-League team to the Finals, right?

[@GetBackRy3x]

@@poundbagcomhe’s a white liberal with a ‘every black who has tattoos is a thug mindset’ don’t mind him

[@MikeBeltMikeBelt]

@@poundbagcom The refs put him there. The Bucks were hosed.

[@chendaddy]

Revisionist history about the state of USA basketball in 2004. That full NBA squad USA team in 2002 finished SIXTH on American soil, the team that showed up in 2003 for qualifiers featured a lot of stars like KG and Vinsanity who refused to show up in 2004, and by then anyone following international basketball knew teams like Argentina, Italy and the former Yugoslavia were ascending. Anyone who thought Team USA was a shoo-in for gold was just ignorant and not paying attention. Though to be fair, that was pretty much every sports fan in America at the time.

[@jonator5715]

Name the nba players from 02

[@SometimesCompitent]

Paul pierce, Reggie Miller, baron davis, jermaine O’Neal, Michael Finley, Shawn Marion, ben Wallace. A few others but those were the highlights.

[@Ms.honesty007]

Unless america play highschool players...there is never a reason USA should not get the gold🥇

[@veranka3]

Starting a micro backcourt of Iverson and Marbury was a terrible decision. Too small, plus neither were great 3 pt shooters. Terrible roster construction and distribution of minutes.

[@NutsNBerries]

Neither one of them was a point guard and Marbury is a selfish player

[@t.k.1319]

This team gave us that remix of “why”with Jadakiss on it. “Why team USA keep gettin blown out?”

[@Classicbasketballdvds]

i think the major prob was the coaching, chemistry, not playing Bron, Wade, Melo as much and not having all the guys like Shaq, Kobe, KG, Kidd, T-Mac, VC on board. The team that was picked a few years before was much better and was stacked

[@criss9938]

How about 2006? Any reason?

[@Philippinebusespovdrive]

@@criss9938 that was a team B haha. They did'nt have kobe, Tmac, Kg, Allen,Pierce, carter

[@seannborba8416]

Imagine not wanting to play LeBron.

[@YoloTB]

The Coach was an idiot even LeBron in his 2nd Year is a beast you have to play him

[@claudioromantiko684]

Lol lebron play's trash in 2004 olympics better watch it..

[@sheli5483]

The other forwards were nice too. Team choked.

[@jamanwashington6426]

@@claudioromantiko684 not enough mintues as a rookie. Had a team full of ball hoggers

[@thegoat6325]

@@claudioromantiko684 bs

[@francescosmith7859]

Pound for Pound Larry Brown. I'm glad he takes the brunt of the blame in this video as he deserves it. I was never a big fan of his in the NBA but he seemed to be Team USA's biggest opponent that year.

[@BlackFlash7]

Larry Brown was the reason this team lost. Starting Marbury and AI together and barely playing the 03 draft guys. This shit was in him

[@markcowser2403]

True

[@Gabriel-y2o]

Success is just a matter of perspective. US getting the bronze is a nightmare for them, but for my counyry to just squeek in the olympics basketball would mean the greatest accomplishment. Im from a country thats crazy about basketball, but basketball doesn't love it back.

[@richardmongolia9986]

Success in sports is also a matter of expectation too

[@SIMOLAMBOTZ]

Philippines?

[@srj34]

That's a great story about ________________, the country where you live. I love that place ________________, especially its signature dishes like __________________ and _________________, and especially _________________. Hiking along the ___________________ was special too, and the beaches were wonderful. The women in __________________ were incredible! I hope to go back to __________________ someday, because I enjoyed my time in your country.

[@JayanaKalansuriya]

I’ve never been this early

[@nightcrusader5047]

Lol😂😂😂

[@ma7maz]

This being the top comment makes me confused

[@khaitranngoc4176]

The Redeem Team: Origins

[@WadeH-v8k]

the 2004 olympics was when i first started playing basketball, and it made a real impression of my perspective on modern basketball. I felt as if there was something lost in the modern game that existed in the old school ball. I admired the 80s and 90s ballers and had a lot of disdain for modern players. Looking back, I think it hindered my game a bit because I didn't look to modern training and techniques to learn from.

[@johnreyperoche6172]

Why i see other people blame this lost to LeBron and called him Lebronze isn't even his fault

[@maxh276]

Fr the haters are beyond stupid

[@JBTriple8]

yes its just not our year

[@johnreyperoche6172]

LeBron haters always blame him if the team he part fail

[@jamesraphaelL]

Why they blame a rookie who barely played, when the leaders was Duncan and AI.

[@johnreyperoche6172]

@@jamesraphaelL idk they just hate him so much that everything bad about basketball He's name is always involved

[@markprice2225]

I was so hyped when I got my Iverson team 🇺🇸 jersey and then the 04 Olympics came 😤

[@southbeachtalent]

He should've been on the 2000 team

[@Trancymind]

Replace Iverson with Kobe in '04 and US wins gold medal while undefeated in the olympics.

[@southbeachtalent]

@@Trancymind no doubt the US was missing some talent like Kobe/ T Mac/ Shaq/ Vince etc but why replace Iverson when there's so many other weak links?

[@nethbt]

Noah Lyles brought me here 😂😂😂😂

[@AstronuatKid99]

He backed up his talk. He won the gold medal in the 100 meter race 💯 first time in 20 years USA wins a gold medal in any race event

[@davidgabrielonell]

Larry Brown did not give enough minutes for LBJ, Melo and Wade. Wow. And his reason is that they did not have enough preparation time. What a dumdum.

[@markcastillo3490]

Yo, that 2004 roster was loaded, especially defensively. Coaching must have suck for them not to win gold.

[@ChrisChanSajelan]

@Westside Chicago Wade and James are capable of facilitating, they just didn't used well. Really a poor coaching. Coach K would've done a lot better.

[@mikeyisniceha]

On paper yes but the team didn't have a pass first pg and the supporting cast was too young

[@youngbae5187]

@@ChrisChanSajelan They were rookies, and when LeBron was a rookie, he's just a typical SF, not yet learn how to pass like a point guard. also, they were posting rookie numbers in the nba, so it's not the same as when they're in their primes.

[@ChrisChanSajelan]

@@youngbae5187 Wade entered the league as a point guard

[@youngbae5187]

@@ChrisChanSajelan He wasn't even good enough to play consistent point guard in his prime and you want him to be a rookie point guard in the Olympic team?!

[@23ofSeptember]

In a nutshell, Team USA thought it could win based off its "athletic ability", meaning guys that could jump high and run the fast break would win games over slower Europeans. Basically, Team USA was playing hero ball (especially AI) and not Team Ball.

[@NutsNBerries]

That can actually work But the USA should’ve did a full court press and push the ball up the floor on every possession

[@johnnyric3876]

Lithuania and Spain always give us a run 🏃‍♀️

[@pjmills4866]

Funny Coming Into 2004 Olympics Duncan was the Best Player. But When we lost they Blamed Iverson. Let Duncan off the Hook. That Was Lame.

[@deshawndodd7883]

EXACTLY

[@mrpopo5097]

Duncan getting into foul trouble and not properly adjusting to the international rules is most probably why Duncan didn’t want to play in the olympics again

[@thegoat6325]

They blamed lebron

[@mauriciorano7142]

Did you see how the Puerto Rican team defended Duncan? He was double and triple teamed every single time he got the ball. Heck, he was even doubled when they tried to get him the ball.

[@foofiiter]

No one lets Duncan off the hook lmfao. The 04 Olympics always get brought up when people talk about their top 10 all time greats.

[@Yesnog05]

I remember my brother flipping out when he read on the newspaper on why the US team didn't have a lot of their stars cause the coach wanted to prove they can win with a young team instead of an experienced team

[@xMeKeTreFex]

Coach Brown asked Puerto Rico coaches not to play zone during the friendly games. They won by 30 both games. Italy later beat them with a 2-3 zone. Puerto Rico used a triangle n 2 zone on the opener.

[@anthonyriche552]

That's insane! Didn't know that.

[@lxpang]

The signs were already there in the 2000 Olympics in the two close games vs Lithuania in the semis and group stage.

[@acceptpapara]

The 2003 USA team was a monster. Too bad only Iverson and Duncan manned up and came to Athens.

[@sonnyallagonez5776]

Straight Facts!

[@bleedingkansai9961]

Exactly. It has been lost to history that the 2003 Team was the original Redeem Team for 2002's failure.

[@raffyc66]

That PUR victory... Man!!

[@ginocerda3290]

So that’s why the 08 team was named the redeem team

[@redwolf8135]

No pure point guards and no pure shooters on the 04' team. In international basketball, you need facilitating point guards, big men, and pure shooters. Marbury and Iverson are score first point guards.

[@danielpak7264]

They thought if they got a bunch of all stars and up and coming players the olympics would be a breeze what an overestimation and let down

[@srj34]

Iverson wasn't even really a PG, really. Just a small shooting guard.

[@timocruz510]

Any dislikes are the '04 squad members

[@slimypickle19]

To be fair to Brown, he led the 1988 Kansas JayHawks to a title, 04 Pistons to the title, & 01 76ers to a title appearance. I think a lot of egos got in the way, & it didnt help there was no pass 1st point guard either. Just not a well oiled machine at all, & team basketball was not a priority. Sucks because Duncan deserved so much better.

[@toptenguy1]

What I remember the most was Allen Iverson taking over and single handidly assuring that the USA would at least get a Bronze.

[@billblaski9523]

Word, it's a shame that he wasn't even invited to try out for the 2008. But I kinda understand, he is a me-first, shoot-first guard

[@unspeakablyawesomebros3392]

Nonsense, Iverson was the reason they didn’t won. His ego took over.

[@epsryneps3101]

​@@unspeakablyawesomebros3392lebron clearly the reason they lost. Dog sht hog

[@impacc4182]

uh no he was black balled from the nba@@billblaski9523

[@TPTGopher]

Poor construction: I remember the day before the Olympics started, SportsCenter did a thing showing how literally everyone but Tim Duncan had a professional or personal reason to hate a teammate.

[@RafaelMSSilva]

Don't worry, 2014 for Brazil in Soccer was way worse than this. Hosting the World Cup, playing in one of our most famous stadiums and losing 7 to 1 to one of our greatest rivals with the whole world watching the game. It was so humiliating that it was even funny. It will be remembered for decades, if not centuries. It is going to be very hard to have a worse disappointment than this in sports, at least for us brazilians, but never say never!

[@Freigeist2008]

For me as an German, Brazil is not really a rival bc this was the first time that our teams hitted at each other in the elimination rounds. Our rivals are England, Holland and Italy. Meanwhile France and Spain i would add, but it has not the intensity as with the above mentioned

[@gabrielmarques214]

​@@Freigeist2008Até porque o Brasil ganhou mais que perdeu pra vocês

[@erin8205]

Yeah, my sister was obsessed w local player A.I. she even had an actual jersey of his that he wore. Went to every local game. She uncharacteristically watched the Olympics for him and was bitterly disappointed in the bronze.

[@mg19cal]

I actually laugh in the face of people that blame this on LeBron because of their hatred for him, like 2 time (at that time) Finals MVP Tim Duncan wasn't on that team and I hardly ever hear his name get blamed for this

[@litodat233]

I remember when Argentina and ginoboli won gold over usa we could not believe it lol

[@arkinsam7733]

that argentina team was solid. no usa showtime can penetrate that defense.

[@LongDongJohnson0705]

Cant believe you went ahead and said rape. Good for you bro. Respect.

[@Dontezbryant777]

That’s literally what the case was about lmaooo

[@LongDongJohnson0705]

@perkyharvin4437 yeah but youtube don't like when ppl say it so I commend him for not caring

[@georgebrown1575]

In the few minutes LeBron played during this Olympics he averaged 5.5 ppg on 60 percent shooting, he was the 2nd most efficient player on the team behind Carlos Boozer...Larry Brown was a complete idiot for not playing him more

[@thunderhammer593]

The only issue in that match was that tim Duncan got into foul trouble....

[@coach_jpbaruta]

Friend, I'm from Argentina... if you think that was the only problem... That team we had in 2004 is one of the best in the history of Basketball... But the USA clearly had a very poorly built squad... ., if you look at the game Argentina was a perfect machine... while USA had 0 chemistry...

[@learninggames4152]

Na Duncan was losser when it's mater most he is never been a leadership skills

[@gasparwimb3964]

Waiting for a major docu over Argentinas golden generation. Most romantic win ever

[@divinedelaware7541]

They blame AI and Marbury. I blame Larry Brown not playing thought Duncan and letting the young boys come off the bench and run

[@learninggames4152]

Na if they played with Duncan they loose

[@jus-ejays1236]

They were better off sending the 2004 Detroit Pistons considering Coach brown was coaching

[@malcolmjackson7067]

Larry brown hates young players and point guards that shoot a lot 😂😂😂

[@cactusjack2264]

This gotta be the most embarrassing Olympic team in Team USA history. Have no words for why they were so bad with all the talent they had 🤦‍♂️

[@mh3594]

We were coasting because the world wasn’t even close to the 96 - 2000 teams. 2004 was a wake up.

[@DeeSevyn]

playing young lebron less than 12 min is outrageous.. dude was 6’8 moving faster than a guard

[@edwin2769]

Lebron played 3 mins, Amare played 2 mins and Carmelo DNP... then some of the haters blamed Lebron.. hahaha...

[@thegoat6325]

Lebron played 12 minutes per game and no starts, all off the bench and still gets the bulk of the blame. Just sad

[@manz7860]

I blame Tim Duncan and Allen Iverson.

[@thegoat6325]

@@manz7860 I blame larry brown. Man started richard jefferson over lebron. And Stephon marbury over d wade. I forgot the rest of the starters but iverson was our best player unfortunately but his style didn't fit overseas, had to be team first. It was a horrible collection of talent thrown together. The fits were way off

[@connormacleod1490]

You should have mention the 2003 USA MEN'S OLYMPIC QUALIFYING TEAM were the ones suppose to participate in 2004 olympics. Duncan, Iverson and Jefferson were the ones left from that team and everyone were last minute replacements. Next time add more context to your video.

[@jpmnky]

Must be awesome to see every modern Olympic Games ever, aye Macleod?

[@distantgalaxymusic1447]

I loved Larry brown when he was Mr Roper on 3’s Company!😂

[@billblaski9523]

Two words: Larry Brown

[@summerit2654]

Haters of Bron is blaming him for the 2004 Bronze medal. Well, blame him cause he didn't score 20 points in 3 minutes.

[@TheKos2Kos]

Why does he bring up limited lebron minutes without mentioning d wade who already proved his prowess as a rookie leading miami out of first round

[@mexia23]

Larry Brown not playing Wade Bron and Melo was a stupid decision

[@Kennyisdarkvanilla]

If they had a different coach, team USA wins the gold. Lebron was always a spark plug off the bench, but Brown never played him. Starting lineup should have been Iverson, Wade, Bron, Melo, and Duncan but instead it was Iverson, Marbury, Odom, Jefferson, and Duncan.

[@Discipleofthelordandjesus]

That 2nd lineup is sickening . No way they should’ve competed in team usa with that starting lineup

[@andy7376]

Coach K should’ve been the coach cuz he would’ve worked well with the young guys

[@SamuraiChris78]

That Vince Carter dunk is still the filthiest dunk of all time!!!!

[@ChrisChanSajelan]

I know Coach K would've done a lot better

[@BrianJHilliard]

That was the worst constructed Olympic men’s basketball team.

[@MetalRush666]

I really wish the players played for pride of country. Other countries play like it's the NBA finals. It should mean as much as a chip if not more.

[@socialistbatman1211]

Most of the players are of a certain group of people that have been disenfranchised and face systemic issues. Not gonna be much “pride of country” from them lol

[@davidp420]

If you were a basketball player who has seen people who look like you get brutalized by the powers that be throughout your entire life, why would you be patriotic?

[@canadianchungus701]

Because USA/NBA doesn’t care and you are not making as much money than say like NBA games neither can you recover through off season when the games usually tend to happen. It’s not about social crap by the folks responding to your observation

[@allengreene9954]

@@canadianchungus701. Social Matters Always Matter.

[@ZhangtheGreat]

That team was not together at all. That team was thrown together at the last minute due to the number of players who declined. Larry Brown was a coach who knew how to weasel his way out of messes before he could be blamed for them, but he couldn't weasel his way out of this mess that he himself was responsible for. Basically, USA Basketball took its dominance for granted by thinking it could keep winning gold by halfheartedly approaching its 2004 squad, and it got a rude awakening.

[@davidarcelay9924]

Bout time y’all got humbled up! Remember, y’all can win many gold medals, but that stain will always be there 😉 🇵🇷 🇦🇷 🔥

[@manz7860]

Tim Duncan is so f'n overrated.

[@CapitalGainzz]

@@manz7860 I pray for your quick recovery. Mental illness is no joke.

[@RUDEBOYIIANGEL96]

WE BACK

[@trhoades2063]

A great coach can and will work with anyone, or try to. But brown was a tough love coach, that didn't work with these young players,

[@MrOctober44]

Funny to hear that the team was so young as being a factor when the league is so young now