The Coming Rift - Why the Right and the Left Hate the Pretrib Rapture

Hey friends! Pete Garcia and I are going to address the challenges that the pretrib rapture is facing from the right and from the left. The pretrib rapture has become of the most hated doctrines held by conservative evangelicals. On the hatred meter, it is not lagging far behind the stand against abortion or sexual perversion.
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[@mmcq3360]

The Right and Left are two wings of the same bird. Always edging towards a N W O no matter who’s in “power.”

[@charlespoe5155]

Look at both sides of the main seat in the us House of Representatives regardless of what side the president is representing are the Roman faSCisT symbol.

[@noobsaibot5285]

Conservative free market in a constitutional democracy. No Christians should be leftist. Jesus said the man who refuses to work shall not eat.

[@Rosegarden-78]

I listened to “I am a miracle child” and got goose bumps and tears to my eyes thinking about Ella. Praise God for Miracles.

[@winniecash1654]

I'm glad to hear you plan on addressing Joel Richardson's viewpoint on the rapture. I used to listen to him frequently until he got so opinionated and even abrasive toward those with pretrib beliefs. I don't mind hearing differening views but there's no need to denigrate others who don't hold your view.

[@lilacDaisy111]

I looked up who he is, and he's in a video with that heretical Vlad fellow.

[@winniecash1654]

@lilacDaisy111 Vlad who?

[@jerrynkathy]

​@@winniecash1654Pastor Vlad Savachuk. Russian-born, English-speaking pastor, he has a different perspective on suffering and the timing of the Rapture. I like the guy but I don't see eye-to-eye with bringing in his experience into Biblical Hermeneutics. It will always bias you away from the truth.

[@littlegirllost2654]

This is why I stopped listening to Steve Quayle

[@winniecash1654]

@jerrynkathy got it. I like Vlad, but see your point. I want to be gracious to other believers because I'm sure I lack understanding in some things. At the same time, if someone is clearly wrong in the essentials, I will steer away or even call them out. Jesus said the world will know us by our love. I don't see believers beating each other up about non essentials as loving. Either that or they owe the listener a disclaimer.

[@pme9912]

I get tired of listening to some people - Pete Garcia is not one of them. 😊❤

[@locoemutwo4872]

amen! a most humble guy...Trusting in our Lord.

[@Grace54321]

@23:46 "If you can't bind the devil, then you can't fix America." Brother Lee, that's the most profound statement I've heard in the last 7 years that perfectly sums up what is happening, where we are, what's wrong (with politics, culture, and even some church groups), and what's coming! Thank you. I may need t-shirts printed up with that on it!

[@notovercome]

@Grace54321: Let me know when I can buy one please😊

[@ruthking7884]

Fix the world, not just USA....do the rest of us not matter? Why do ALL conversations about God have to point to the USA ...Do you see how this lands with Christians outside the USA?

[@annd7549]

@@ruthking7884 I am sorry you feel that way. I do what I can to bring worldwide Christians into the conversation; however, in this specific instance, Brother Lee was addressing the growing evangelical American sentiment that if Trump is allowed to be President again, then everything will be fantastic. His profound comment can be applied to any country, state, province, town, church, etc. I am continually praying for Christians around the world. Grace to you, sister.

[@ruthking7884]

@@annd7549 I understand that as an American it can come up with you....and I agree because of the influence of the USA....well for now anyway. It just seems like it is always brought up. I actually agree with you. I guess it is because other nations have heard from many preachers this message...Jesus loves you but we're his favourite. I honestly think they feel that heaven is going to be flying the stars and stripes. I found the conversation riveting....it's just after a while we hear the USA mentioned and our eyes glaze over. But as I said I did enjoy your show....and I agree with you. Blessings.

[@John8_36]

Pray for others to be saved and humble themselves to Christ and the Father, that is our duty, to pray for them to be saved and spread the Gospel. As far as saving the world or America that is silliness, it’s under the will of the Almighty God, He has ordained all leaders and has everything under control, and voting doesn’t matter, the person on the presidency or any place will be there according to the will of the Most High. So pray for others to be saved, to rebuke demons and witchcraft and to receive more wisdom and understanding from the Holy One, repent for our sins, the sins of our family and nation and world, for our rebellion against the Almighty Father and to our Christ, the ones we know and don’t know, and forgive the ones that trespass against us. Our duty is in the spiritual realm, in the material realm Christ has conquered the world, and all is flowing according to His will so all be fulfilled.

[@user-vv3fs8lj5o]

Come King Jesus. I love you two brothers!

[@tracywallis5387]

Thank you Lee!! I agree 💯 with everything Pete said. We need to pray for wisdom & discernment to do GODS will in these last days. Jesus is coming very soon but we have to live until then and be salt and light the best we can!! God bless you guys!! MARANATHA LORD JESUS 🙏✝️🎺👑🕊🙌

[@scotch_mist]

Peace of the LORD be with you Lee, Pete, and everyone watching!

[@jasonjhuber]

Thanks for all that you both do!! May God bless and keep you & your families in His grace until He takes us all up in GLORY!! ☝️✝️ Take good care Watchmen. 🫡

[@saltydecimator]

Thanks guys! So many zombies everywhere, nice to see folks with passion

[@AldoSchmedack]

Hey Salty good to see ya!

[@aprilrobinson9202]

Thank you for posting this... God bless you both.. yes come Lord Jesus come amen

[@mikyl-fo8rh]

Those that hate the blessed hope do not understand scripture; therefore, their understanding of Elohim is distorted. This is how significant the understanding of the pre-tribulation rapture is. They are not only deceived by their own doctrine but they believe that the biblical rapture is deceptive, believers of the rapture are deceptive and then they consider the pre-tribulation rapture as satanic. That’s how they think.

[@margaretcoote1429]

I’ve been really disappointed in Redacted standpoint on Israel. I’ve appreciated them for world news but the spiritual they are antisemetic

[@dennislam1501]

Rather replacement theology is strong there

[@oreo7192]

Me too

[@Buzz-rh4dz]

Me too. I unsubscribed because of it.

[@wandertree]

Same. I unsubscribed and stopped listening. It's a very anti-God viewpoint, and I was uncomfortable trusting them for anything after that.

[@reneerutledge372]

I agree, I used to listen to them however they soured me when I realized IF they aren’t anti semitic they absolutely give that vibe. Pete doesn’t believe that they are anti Semitic but he does have a problem with their Theology.

[@lisathacker5313]

I agree with Pete! We all want Jesus. But until then we have to steer this ship in the right direction.

[@jacksolomon1379]

I agree totally with Pete’s POV. We’re supporting conservative values.

[@wandertree]

@@jacksolomon1379 Well said. We are supporting Conservative values too. There will never be perfect Christians or human systems on this earth. But God will use whomever He chooses, and I will vote for whichever candidate and party is more closely aligned to His Word.

[@reporter2078]

I thank the Lord for you both for giving you such wisdom and a platform to share so many precious insights with us.

[@jenb2906]

I was just now able to finish listening to this and is has been a blessing for sure! Thank you both for the time and effort you spent to do it. Hoping it helps to prepare me for difficult conversations with family that come up from time to time. May the Lord bless and keep you both and your families.

[@corinbordine4974]

Absolutely awesome conversation! Thanks to you both for your time well spent. ❤❤❤ Keep pressing on! Praying for you both!

[@smilesmile7330]

Thank you moderators and pastors. I would love a live stream just to hear brother Pete’s miracle testimonies. He also gave a great answer during the question about the Old Testament saints being raptured after the church about Holy Spirit‘s role on earth.

[@judithdabrow9843]

Thankyou, Australia watching and praying ❤

[@linwoodkent1246]

Brother's Lee and Pete, Thank you for this 2 1/2 hour full of much needed help and understanding of our crazy and confused world, from a biblical pre-trib viewpoint. So many are fearful and nervous unnecissarily. He will give us a "sound mind" by thinking on Him, The Apostle's Paul and John have very important letters for staying balanced and close to our Lord. You've also taught us well for today's confusing world. God bless you and yours and MARANATHA.

[@Keepitoriginalministry]

The pretrib rapture can easily be exposed. Lee will never have a discussion with someone like me or Joel Richardson. Because he knows in his heart that he is deceives many

[@isaiahfiftythree5334]

Thank you for the comment, it's truly comforting one another. 1 Thessalonians 4:18

[@stevewatersofficial]

​@@Keepitoriginalministryget lost troll.

[@marleinsteinmetz5056]

@@stevewatersofficial yes get lost! Why do some almist seem to look forward to being starved,tortured, gain.//g.///rai.//ped- bothe men and women by the ac thugs??,??? I will neverbunderstand this,

[@Keepitoriginalministry]

@@stevewatersofficial see how scared you are about having a discussion? I’m a Christian kid. If you didn’t know. Love is when you warn people about the dangers that are ahead. You have no clue or discernment or even love enough to listen to the other side. You are told to believe a lie. And God will send a delusion to you

[@gregoryyoung1847]

HE LIVES IN THE HEART OF THOSE IN HIS Amen ✝️ ♥️ 🕊️ Amen

[@James-vz7rq]

I can’t wait to see your response to joel richardson. I really hope you expose him for good so he ends up ashamed. Looking forward to it.

[@PD-iu9bn]

One reason some Christian’s believe they can bunker it out during the tribulation is replacement theology, specifically the misappropriation of Matthew 24:15-18. They believe they will “run to the hills and mountains” and God will preserve them.

[@babut4059]

Such a wonderful program. Thank you brethren. I especially enjoyed the q and a part. Again thank you.

[@Certainty4UncertainTimes]

YEA!!!! I'm sooooo glad you are addressing Joel! Let's gooooo Lee!!!!!!! I'll be PRAYING over you and that video! Let me know when it's done and I'll share it EVERYWHERE!

[@rickygouda2110]

Thank you both for this great discussion. ❤😮

[@raelynnmerritt6314]

Thank you, Lee and Pete !

[@Jay-te2nk]

This is such a beautiful way of Gospel. Thank you for sharing Jesus to people. May God bless you guys - Amen

[@strwbryparfait3889]

Wonderful work for the Lord again in this video. You are both greatly appreciated. I’m trying to listen to every word while you both are still allowed to speak the Word. Thank you…thank you…thank you.

[@marcyoverby3817]

THATS A GOOD QUESTION ALL THOSE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL V BE LEAVEING....

[@robertloring2903]

I served in the Army as a Chaplain, Retired in 2004 (Fort Bragg). During the last 3 years it became obvious that to pray on the name of Jesus wasn’t looked upon as a no-go.

[@robertloring2903]

I meant to say, “was looked upon as a “no-go”

[@joyr2685]

I’m VERY interested in your response to Joel Richardson. He threw me for a loop a couple years ago and I had to go back to the Bible to get peace again about my pre-trib beliefs. I’m anxious to hear your educated views!! I’m also intrigued by the deep dive by Christian Widener in his book “_Witnessing_the_End_” studying the various views allows me to thoroughly vet my beliefs against the scriptures. Thank you for taking time to prepare a rebuttal. I know Joel thinks that pre-trib came from Darby when it provably did not and he also claims that pre-trib Christians just want to sit back and do nothing awaiting the rapture and that is 180 degrees wrong. ❤

[@saltshakerrefill6087]

Thanks for this quality program, brothers ❤

[@Michelle-726]

I absolutely loved and enjoyed every minute of this conversation! God bless you both!💖

[@mardiharjo2427]

Thanks for this conversation and the very practical insights offered by brother Pete. We as believers in these times want to make the best & most realistic decisions that don't violate our consciences.

[@user-sk2fw8jq3m]

Israel’s gifts and calling are “irrevocable”. Romans 11:29. That’s Paul, apostle to the Gentiles, talking. Thank you Lee for all that you do, God bless you!

[@robcrobert]

Yes. And our eternal salvation which is a gift is irrevocable

[@dianegraham6458]

The U.S. will become less and Israel will become more. Great conversation Lee and Pete! Thank you!

[@Certainty4UncertainTimes]

Great points talking about the START of the trib. So much confusion is spewed online about that! Loving this video y'all!

[@Certainty4UncertainTimes]

Finally got to finish this today! This whole video was fire you two! Really appreciate you both and respect your perspectives so very much! Thank you both for everything you're doing for the coming Kingdom!!! Maranatha!!!!!!

[@Soothkeep]

Hey Lauren! Really enjoy bro Pete! Looking forward to being on your show.

[@Certainty4UncertainTimes]

@@Soothkeep saaaaame! I’ll holler at ya in a week or so! We might change our topic 400 times between now and then with all the madness going on! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Soothkeep]

@@Certainty4UncertainTimes No doubt. There is plenty of 🤢🤮to talk about.

[@monabo1]

Always look forward to hearing your voice and wisdom brother Lee

[@inisfree77]

Superb ....riveting and Biblical.....Praise the Lord for the TRUTH of the blessed hope that has huge implications on how we live our lives. Thanks

[@AldoSchmedack]

@petegarcia542 @Soothkeep Thank you both!

[@crownofglorydesigns2659]

Awesome discussion! Thanks Lee and Pete!

[@annettemartinez9508]

Love you brothers. God bless you both and your family's. And all you brethren in Christ.

[@wendypurcell4247]

Thank you so much, you both have explained everything so well.

[@mikebushell2415]

Great discussion with a good balance. Thanks Pete for pointing out we won't be voting for church leadership. There are only two options. If we do make it to November my choice will be for the party that knows what a woman is. Not for the party that wants the right to kill children even after birth. I'm 100% pretrib and never read a Scofield Bible and would not learn my Theology from John Rich. But on the other extreme some pretribers seem to be saying voting doesn't matter, or not vote at all. Do you think it matters where your standing when he does come? In Chuck Missler's teaching on the rapture he mentioned dating the rapture can cause one to just pause and wait. Jesus words were occupy til I Come!

[@wandertree]

Well said!

[@007gracie]

I know some feel voting is frustrating because it seems to be a selection more than election. I’ll vote against militant abortion & better economy🙏🏻

[@carolyntheys5061]

Excited for your book Lee

[@ladygilmour]

Looking forward to your debunking of Joel Richardson.

[@raymondgosselin1717]

This was great 👍 praise Jesus for you guys too help us navigate through these times got to keep spreading the Gospel

[@davidmalek641]

How is Pete's daughter doing after the car accident. We have been praying for her.

[@steventhaw2637]

I heard yesterday that her neckbrace is now off and she is having physical therapy.

[@karenhechter642]

Listened to the hole livesteam loved every moment God bless you guys. 🙏🏻

[@IL-948]

@40:08 “…Christians that are more political…these professing Christians that are left behind…” Believing in Jesus for eternal life is what saves (John 3:16, 5:24, 6:47). If these people are in fact Christians, because they believe in Jesus Christ, they will be raptured, regardless of their view on the rapture or the emphasis they place on politics.

[@RichardClark-i6b]

The ones who are left behind are the pretribulation rapture theology believers who were deceived by the antichrist because they were looking for the return of Christ before the antichrist is revealed,

[@bribbity1559]

I agree! Whether or not you’re a progressive or MAGA does not affect your salvation.

[@larrylafferty3836]

@@bribbity1559define progressive?

[@wandertree]

@@bribbity1559 But salvation should affect your discernment - and progressives have a lot of explaining to do, if you ask me.

[@Kimmb1968]

Thank you Pete and Lee for another enlightening discussion. Praise Jesus Christ and God Bless you both. I love your channels and thank you gentlemen for your service to this country. 🫡

[@lindathayres1416]

Prayers Lee 🙏🙏🙏💝

[@LisaIyoha-be6pg]

Very good insight

[@922dwj]

Super good podcast by my 2 favorite Bible Scholars. Israel in the news every day screams that the Rapture is so close and if you're on the fenice with who Jesus is you need to seek Him and believe He is Christ the Messiah.

[@Soothkeep]

Hey Brother!

[@judithpata4938]

You guys are awesome in JESUS!! ❤.I have a QUESTION: WE ARE HIS BODY so aren’t the truths & promises in the Psalms & Proverbs & thru-out the O.T. OURS TOO??? Love you muchly! Thank you for keeping us DEEPLY informed! I have been BORN AGAIN since Feb. 3, 1980! I am a 78 years old woman living in NW Montana, with my 80 year old BORN AGAIN husband of 57 years!! ❤. We are looking forward to sitting under a TREE in ETERNITY with you & talk, talk , talking!😊

[@tourdelance3698]

After the rapture, there will be a short time gap for the apostate church to form and the Antichrist to confirm a covenant with many to ignite a 7 year period of tribulation! And “This generation ( that’s the one present then ) shall not pass away until all these things are fulfilled” “Behold, I come quickly” Judgments are accomplished and Jesus stops the horrific satanic persecution of Israel at Armageddon and returns to earth for His 2nd coming to reign from Jerusalem 1000 years, God Bless y’ll 🙏🏻

[@wandertree]

AMEN!

[@droppedonmyhead3522]

The decline of pre-trib dispensationalism lines up with prophecy. Because it causes more people to not stay awake and watch. “The Son of Man will come at an hour you do not expect.”

[@845karolewithak]

There are also misguided believers who are supporting rebuilding the Temple to help bring in the Tribulation. Sad. Praying for the peace of Jerusalem. Maranatha.

[@jcessna37]

I like Tucker. I just have to pray for him that he isn't further deceived about Israel just because he is an isolationist, but i do know all nations will turn against Israel in the end. Jon Rich is deceived by his churches denomination bias. Pray for him, too. Once I heard his attack on the pretrib, I quit watching. I don't listen to the deceived no matter how much I like them on other matters.

[@wandertree]

I agree - I wasn't able to watch that episode. Tucker has been very passive aggressive - and aggressive at times about Israel and Jewish people, and I've listened to him less and less. He is deceiving many. Unintentionally, I believe.

[@sandraresides9063]

Thanks!

[@notovercome]

I just love these two mens dedication to the Lord. How we are blessed by them! Thank you Pete and Lee ❤

[@michaeltodd2012]

If we're here for CBDCs then I believe most of us will starve because they will put us on a short leash since they disagree with our beliefs.

[@steventhaw2637]

If the rapture is due immediately then we will not be voting. Our testimony of righteousness won't count for anything once the restrainer is removed. The Adversary is very much alive and its human shaped. We all are collective and personally accountable for sin and wrongdoing. But its only on account of Jesus that we have our Sin washed away

[@RichardClark-i6b]

There is no pretribulation rapture, there is only one second coming, How many first resurrections are there ? Yeah 1. Emediatly after the great Tribulation, watch Dr Michael brown on the subject,

[@steventhaw2637]

@RichardClark-i6b So how do you explain 1 Thess 4 & 5, & who is the bride with Jesus described in Revelation? I'm not going to fully explain my conviction. If you don't believe it then don't be surprised when you have been left behind for the tribulation years

[@RichardClark-i6b]

@millionsvanished that is not in scripture,

[@RichardClark-i6b]

@millionsvanished 2nd Timothy 4 You have been deceived. TRIBULATION AND WRATH ARE NOT THE SAME THING. Just as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of man they will be eating and drinking marrying Unti the flood came and TOOK them all away. God's wrath and rescue came on the same day, the flood was not tribulation was it ,, just as in lots day rescue and wrath came on the same day Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed was not tribulation, when Christ comes for his church rescue and wrath come on. that same day, scholfeild and John Nelson Darby, are the founders of dispensationalism, ( DECEIVERS. ) 2ND TIMOTHY 4. yeah we are in the last days, it's OK I used to believe in a pretribulation rapture theology out of ignorance until I actually read the bible Did you actually read the bible before someone came up to you and said " you need to get saved before the rapture comes and here's why " or we're you just reading the Bible one day and believed this false teaching, Remember what Christ said that no man has ascended into Heaven except the son of man which is in Heaven , In the 1800s many false teachings came about jehovahs witnesses, Mormonism, Christian science, seventhday Adventists, dispensationalism, penticostalism, and they all have twisted scripture, watch out for false teachers, they will come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly they are ravenous wolves not sparring the flock ,

[@littlegirllost2654]

@@RichardClark-i6byou are right there will only be a second coming. In the pretrib rapture, Jesus doesn’t come down here, we go up to meet him.

[@smilesmile7330]

2:16:54-2:17:07 Awesome!!!!!

[@kiropublishing]

One question I often ask post-trib and amill brethren is why did Paul NEVER mention a mark, or the mark of the beast, or warn believers or instruct the Church on how to resist the mark and survive during the Time of Jacobs Trouble? He was given - from the LORD - all the necessary instructions and guidance for the Church in this age of grace but NOTHING about not taking the mark or not worshipping the beast? Why not? Could it possibly be that we were never supposed to look out for the antichrist but rather look up for Jesus Christ? Perhaps?

[@afterdarkness-light]

Read all three of the planet shaken series and can't wait for number four! Really well written Christian fiction. There's not much well-written Christian fiction out there, honestly. Looking forward to the pre-wrath rapture book as well.

[@lillys9414]

Thank you Lee

[@BANDIT198455]

I am for what God is for. I do not have my own opinion of what happens in this world other than whatever God wants to happen I agree with and support. WE all as Christians need to align our thoughts and actions with God's will period and nothing else.

[@williamlugmayer3429]

Chuck Missler used to say, before he went home to THE LORD, that if someone is wrong about their understanding of Daniel 9:24-27, then they will be wrong about most prophetic events. All believers should agree that we will all get glorified bodies, the question for most is when. Because of the influence of the Roman Catholic Church, most professing Christians think that we need to add to our salvation by being purified of sin not covered under rhe blood , the death, burial and resurrection of JESUS CHRIST. That is why they hate the pretribulation rapture/harpazo, because its allabout JESUS. HE will take us home when the fullness or the gentiles is come. Then the last week of Jacob's trouble will commence. Shalom and maranatha.

[@rhondaeaton4708]

Wonderful show Guys!

[@marcyoverby3817]

I REMEMBER THAT SCRIPTURE WERE GOD SAYS...I RAISED UP KINGS OR PRESIDENT..AND TAKE THEM DOWN ..GOD'S CALL..

[@KARENVW7]

Great video🙏❤️❤️

[@tinaforeman4678]

I cant wait to live under Christ's kingdom. I want the rapture to save all the children that are being tortured right now. I'm glad I have just what I need and not the wealth some of my friends have. They dont want the rapture I feel because their life is so good. It wont last for them though.

[@user-pn3gu1by8b]

I am so confused and i need someone to help me on this. I hav always been a Trump supporter until the debate and now even more due to his choice in Vance which is something else i dont understand. The RNC was a disappointment. The right has moved past the middle to the left side like they feel they can't win unless they destroy the definition of the family and choose a man who is gay to be the VP. He admitted that himself and altho he's married to a women, he lives in a million and half dollar home in the so called most popular "gayborhood". Their words not mine. He's financialy supported by a billionare gay man for years who met w Trump to give him money to pick Vance. Now Vance has said he wants to make abortion illegal but knows he can't while Trump, this is my first dilemma, said he would not stop the abortion pill. If Trump said he didn't support it but will leave it up to the states then i wouldn't have a problem. So Trump's new run is so different than the last. How can i as a Christian vote a lesser evil in. I think since this is the end times we need to do the right thing and not vote the lesser evil in. I should have enough faith that Jesus will be fixing this country if that is supposed to happen, not a man. I feel the US won't be here after we r gone. I feel our time of 6000 yrs are up and i don't want to have to explain to Jesus that i voted for Trump, even tho he's an abortion supporter, bc i lost faith in Him bc i thought He wasnt coming soon enough. I cant do that and why dont more Christians see that. Are they hoping the US will be saved by Trump and then life will go back to normal and stop the end times? That's why im a bit confused w christains voting for Trump.

[@Patriot007-br6vx]

Not voting for the lesser of two evils doesn’t make us any better because not voting is letting it happen. So at the end of the day we have to realize that our country is broken and the best way to keep it from getting worst is to vote for the lesser evil or a candidate that’s great. But most importantly the best way to change this country from the inside out is to spread the gospel.

[@steventhaw2637]

That's why I don't vote. You want corruption? Vote. Israel was given their first King because the people were not satisfied having God as their leader and their desire to be like the other nations. They got Saul who deteriorated into psychopathic lunacy!

[@Hannelore7]

@@Patriot007-br6vx Exactly.

[@mrbowles8705]

@@Patriot007-br6vx Voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil right now the only thing to do is have faint in Jesus the Son of God and not put faith in corrupt sinful politicians.

[@dennislam1501]

if u watched RNC, what messages are they sending?

[@dorislallensearchingthescr7450]

Isaiah 26:12

[@nicoledavis9426]

I have been listening to prophecy teachers for several years, but I still don't understand exactly what dispensationalism is. Can someone explain this simply for me or recommend a book?

[@Soothkeep]

Dispensationalism is simply starting with assumption that God will literally fulfill the promises and prophecies he made to the nation and people of Israel (the physical descendants of Jacob). The promises involve his return to Israel as his earthly testimony, the tribulation (seventieth week), the great tribulation (last half of the seventieth week), the kingdom, the throne, the land, the temple, earthly blessing, etc. If we take these promises and prophecies literally, we understand that the seventieth week is focused on Israel, not the church.

[@nicoledavis9426]

​@@Soothkeep thank you!

[@bencovington1121]

The apostle Paul is the only one who mentions the “blessed hope”. It was part of the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began (Romans 16:25). Paul said he was the apostle to the gentiles and he was sent to “fulfill the word of God” (Colossians 1:25). If he fulfilled the word of God then 2 Timothy was the last book written. Revelation had to have been written prior to the calling out of Paul, not 96 AD. The tribulation is all about Jewish prophesy. Jewish prophesy was not a mystery. The pre tribulation rapture is the only doctrine that makes sense and fits the timeline.

[@Soothkeep]

You need to rethink your confidence in this argument. When an argument proves too much, it proves nothing. Jesus came to fulfill the word of God. That means the canon was fulfilled before any of the NT was written.

[@bencovington1121]

@@Soothkeep with respect, Jesus didn’t say that. He said He came to fulfill the law (MT 5:17). He was referring to the Mosaic Law which governed Israel. Jesus and His apostles preached the Gospel of the Kingdom only to the “lost sheep of the house of Israel” (MT 10). Paul preached the Gospel of the grace of God revealed to him by Jesus. A dispensation which was previously unknown (Romans 16:24). Two different gospel messages. One for the Jews and one for everyone else. We are now under the dispensation of the grace of God (Ephesians 3:2-13and the program with Israel has been temporarily suspended until Daniel’s 70th week sometime after the rapture/“blessed hope”. This came as a surprise to me when I first learned to “ rightly divide the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15) but once I got that straight all of the so called ‘conflicting’ scripture suddenly became easily explainable. You are my brother (or maybe sister) in Christ and I hope you come to understand the grace of God as taught by Paul, the apostle to the gentiles.

[@jaynetui8817]

Regarding this concept of rift, I wonder whether Daniel 7 speaks to it. He saw a wind get up on the sea, then another wind, another and another. If you have west, east, north and south all striving for world domination and all having Israel at the centre, then things get quite chaotic. Ezekiel 1 describes the four living creatures before describing the throne of God. Perhaps Daniel is describing four beasts around the antichrist’s short-lived throne? I suspect beast 1 is a representation of the west i.e. Britain and the US. The ‘heart of a man’ reference immediately recalls the leadership madness of Nebuchadnezzar. How many years of that have we experienced so far? Notice that Israel was test subject for pharmakeia of recent craziness. Perhaps plucking of the wings is perhaps more specific to the US. If it means the wings are literally pulled off as opposed to feathers taken out then that might connect to your topic. The ‘heart of a man’ has a hopeful sound for return of sanity and leadership, but the heart would go in the lion. The east wind trying for world domination seems Islamic. The Iranian bear already largely controls Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.

[@bobw4941]

Paul claimed Roman citizenship and used it to his advantage. There is no prohibition regarding “siding with flags”.

[@007gracie]

Faith in MK- 🤔 Perhaps they see Him but do they worship Him? Believe in eternal life? Believe they cannot become a god? So many ways the heart deceives…

[@dorislallensearchingthescr7450]

The two loaves will be bought into the house before the seven seals are opened.

[@taylorschmidt777]

"Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ & our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from ur composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes 1st, & the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes & exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? & you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth & bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power & signs & false wonders, & with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in unrighteousness."-2Thessalonians 2:1‭-‬12

[@AnnJPedersen]

I listen to Remnant Call Radio and have all Benjamin Baruch's books and I respect their studies and devotion to God and to the entire Word of God. However they repeatedly say they doubt pre-tribulation believers are true Christians. They say it is absurd we as pre-tribulation Christians are buying into a "fairytale" that we are somehow lazy expecting Jesus to pick us up right before the Tribulation. These are definitely not NAR Christians either. It sure is a puzzle where we are solid in our faith but are being splintered further apart. Fallen Satan is using this to full effect.

[@afterdarkness-light]

If this is how remnant call radio talks about other born-again believers, denigrating them and even saying they are unsaved I would say it's time for you to move on because they're talking about you! There are plenty other great teachers out there and better ones.

[@wandertree]

It's bizarre to me how antagonistic and angry postTrib, amillenials, and preWrath people can be. I just don't see that seem vitriol by and large in the PreTrib camp. Satan HATES pretrib and would love to steal our blessed hope.

[@LisaIyoha-be6pg]

Pete is spot on…. He should seriously consider running for office.

[@natashabennett8346]

Abraham received the promise on the basis of his faith. Paul emphasises this on Romans 2, that true Israel are those who have faith in the New Covenant, and are circumcised in the heart. John 3:36 says that He that believeth not on the Son shall not see life and the wrath of God abides on Him. The promises for Abraham are for those who have faith. That is why he was called the father of many nations.

[@robertloring2903]

I think most Christian’s are like most people in the country, they argue from their feelings , not thinking. Most people use the words,( I feel…” instead of “I think…”). There is a difference.

[@007gracie]

Could it all be rooted in Seed War of Gen 3:15? I wonder if mark makes one unredeemable😢 ie: not human anymore. So Angel flies & says don’t take it! So a heartfelt plea vs just punishment. Maybe Nephilim influence? Since angels aren’t redeemable… giants either I assume as God told Israel to wipe them out.

[@larrylafferty3836]

Exactly moral issues

[@shannonstruik9394]

Were the old Testament saints raised with Christ. They were seen walking around Mat 27:52

[@user-fc2hb3de2w]

There is another post trib group and that is Messianic Gentiles, or Torah observant believers.

[@valhalloran]

Very good discussion! I'm confused about the Nov election, having heard from good people in our camp that is a selection, not an election and that our votes won't count. That was certainly the case last time, so it makes me wonder if by casting a vote with reservations about the candidate that used to be stronger on issues that are important to Christians, it will only put our names on the list of the group that the liberals say should be exterminated. If I were voting for righteousness, I wouldn't care; but if I'm just voting to have a more comfortable life and it won't count, I'm not sure it's the wisest choice to make. I really need clarity because that which is not done in faith, is sin.🤔🙏

[@wandertree]

Ask God to give you peace and discernment on this issue. I personally believe people getting hung up on this issue are expecting perfection on earth. Reagan wasn't perfect, Bush wasn't perfect, Lincoln wasn't perfect - lots of presidents who did good also did things we would not agree with. The media has done an excellent job of deceiving and causing even Conservatives to think Trump is some special kind of boogeyman, when he is just a man who is a political leader they don't like. He is not evil incarnate, and he actually did a lot of good for the country. He was despised and lied about constantly, because he threw a wrench into the plans of the globalists and the radicalized democrats. I personally will be voting for him, because I believe he and the Conservative Party in general are more closely aligned with proper values. I would like to see the democrat party defeated. They don't know what a woman is, they want to slaughter babies through birth and beyond, and they are forcing school children to learn about sexual perversion. They malign and lie about Conservatives constantly. They've destroyed our southern border, making life less safe for us all. They drive us into over taxation and debt and have harmed our economy. They preside over several wars, where Trump influenced the world into peace. I just don't get how people are struggling with this. He's not a pastor, and he's not perfect. Neither was Samson, but God used him. I feel like these Christians struggling with TDS would've cheered on the Philistines because Samson wasn't godly enough. Many more examples of imperfect people being used by our Holy God. I trust Him, and meanwhile, I will do my part to stave off Satanic evil as long as possible.

[@Mrs.C-6721]

Love you two men of God! The church is mandated to preach the gospel. Only in America do we have that freedom. 🇺🇸 is blessed only became of Israel. America was created to bring the gospel to all nations, period. Our mandate is not to fix America or any other country. However, we are to occupy until He catches us away. With leaders who fear God, the church has more time to preach, teach and pray. America is not our goal per-say but Biblical values to the next generation and obedience to His Word will save many. My grandchildren depend on me/us to stand for righteousness, period. I'm on the MAGA train full throttle but my permanent ticket is on the J Train!! Things can change in a second as we've witnessed the past decade. Our devotion is Jesus Christ and Him crucified, risen and returning to sit on the thorn of David, period. Best believe we still have work to do. God's prophecy is being fulfilled and the gates of hell will not prevail against us. Maranatha 🙌 Grace and Peace to All who love our Lord in sincerity ✝️🙏💜

[@wandertree]

Amen! This is so well said.

[@natashabennett8346]

It is a doctrine. It is not hated. It is questionned because it is not explicitly taught in the Bible, was not taught by Jesus, Paul, Peter or John, who all taught that we would go through 'tribulation'. The greek word from which we get 'tribulation' is 'thlipsis' literally meaning constriction, pressure, which will be our experience during the AntiChrist reign. The wrath of God, Rev 16,17, takes place at and after the return of Christ (6th Seal Rev 6). The trumpet judgements do NOT take place in tribulation period as they occur after the 7th Seal (Rev 8) once the tribulation saints are already in heaven.(Rev 7) You will see this happening in the future and then you will understand, but it will be hard for you, because you are not ready for it.

[@somewheretheheartis]

The introduction nailed it (as im sure the rest of the video will)…people i watched on this platform, turning to dreams and visions, saying things like ‘God showed me our pets will be raptured with us!’ and ‘Your kids up to 21 will be raptured with us, even if they don’t know the Lord’ and ‘The Lord told me your whole family who’s left behind will be saved during the tribulation’ …they make such wild claims, claiming God showed them these divine revelations, without any scripture evidence. Anyone can say anything. What does the Word say? Let’s go with that!

[@wandertree]

I haven't seen anyone saying any of that. People have speculated, and that is fine. Obviously the Bible is the final answer.

[@somewheretheheartis]

@@wandertree That’s great! Im not listing names of the false prophets on here. I know who Lee is talking about, though.

[@deborahsmith5181]

The one who said these things has pink hair 😊

[@JohnnyReb-tr2fs]

Straight out telling it like it is . Only those who are of the Faith of Abraham are the seed of Abraham in the eyes of God who gave the promise . Those who are of the flesh are discounted but He is patient towards them ( Jew and gentile) that they come to honor His Son by heart faith .

[@marcyoverby3817]

MAYBE HE WILL CLEAN HOUSE...

[@eddiegaston902]

Don't hate the pre-trib Rapture. I just don't think it's scriptural.

[@hopemorrow4244]

The recent compromise on gay marriage and abortion is a bridge too far. “Back to the states” was a good first step, but Trump is now saying we must support abortion as a party up to 15 weeks. This is should not be tolerated. If our values begin to look like the democrats I do not think God will be pleased when we prioritize “saving America” over pleasing God Himself. What Dr. Charles Stanley use to say comes to mind, “Do the right thing and leave the consequences to God.”