the commander rules committee situation is crazy

[@RaggedyHead]

Best thumbnail ever

[@MegiddoTheImmaculate]

I was expecting an apology video. lol

[@danielpunt7]

Truly.

[@thenoiceguy1799]

Can’t believe Charlie went back to his old room. Truly magnificent

[@KithiasDarkleaf]

Well said gents.The threats were vile and ignorant. Here's hoping WotC doesn't destroy Commander.

[@ScareCrows1023]

What were these threats? I haven’t seen a speck of proof of these threats that were mentioned. I would love to know for sure that they are factually try but I haven’t been able to see a glimmer of them. So as far as for me I can’t say they are true. However if they are that’s a childish behavior but until then just is a statement to me.

[@epicninjaz117]

​@@ScareCrows1023Is it really THAT hard to believe basement-dwelling neckbeards sent threats over the internet? Those same dumbdumbs that thought investing thousands of dollars into shiny cardboard was a good monetary decision? Seems pretty tangible to me man. I've seen threats being thrown around for way less than what the rules committee did.

[@Dionisisdenis]

According to their logic they can't,since they will apply the same logic with the current ban lists,to just ignore them,so basically nothing changed

[@korybeaulieu-blanchette948]

They will.

[@korybeaulieu-blanchette948]

​@ScareCrows1023 The posts you are trying to find have been removed for inciting violence/harassment or have been deleted to avoid legal action from wizards. There was open death threats, doxxing, etc. It was bad. It's the people that spent thousands getting these fast mana, win turn 3 cards.

[@TK-zd7ym]

You guys nailed it. It's a frickin' embarrassment to be a fan and part of this community when you see these people lash out and threaten people. It's cardboard guys.

[@jodiexalazar2]

It's thousands of dollars potentially. It's cardboard that's worth more than rent. Have some sense dude

[@jodiexalazar2]

I understand that people shouldn't be this vile but that amount of money is gonna get some serious reactions.

[@The_Tapioca]

​@jodiexalazar2 investing in an unregulated market is a risk that YOU take. If you can't afford that risk, Then don't invest. Thinking any other way is kinda childish imo

[@omegataco4208]

​@@jodiexalazar2 you do know that someone from the rc might have to move because someone sent them a picture of the school that their kids go to

[@ticklord]

Why do people act like collectibles losing value is somehow unacceptable? Literally everything loses and gains values it's how commerce works.​@@jodiexalazar2

[@GaigeThompson]

I started watching skill check because of penguinz0, I stayed for Ryan and Drew.

[@dkznikolaj7013]

Oh... Wizards controls bans now? Well shit... That's REALLY not good.

[@NullHorrors]

Wizards: “fuck it, ban these cards, we don't think it'll be good for our community's health” Also wizards: “let's squeeze our community by making the same cards we have in precons in a new shiny foil on our booster packs and call it exclusive edition and slap $400 on it, yeah, they'll love it”

[@rafaelbordoni516]

They'll print Port Extortionist, Magic Crypt and Gem Lotus.

[@supachigga]

Yup. So glad I moved to Conquest years ago

[@IndustryFlex]

@@NullHorrorsYuGiOh Players: Dang first time?

[@ThorgisArcade]

I was happy to hear someone else say they don't use Sol Ring. I agree, I enjoy the variety and personality that comes with Commander, and when you have cards that everyone has to use in all their decks, it takes away from that.

[@Jolfgard]

"Ryan 'dryCr1TikaL' White isn't real, he can't hurt you" Ryan 'dryCr1TikaL' White:

[@drbloo1905]

Thank you Drew. This is the first video I've seen where someone mentions how silly it is to invest in cardboard.

[@thousand1183]

Treat people with basic respect challenge (impossible)

[@troyworman6622]

Nobody deserves to get death threats, that is why this happened and people are cringe.

[@SilverFang95]

So how about Nazi's? Do they deserve death threats?

[@coreycrumbcake]

I’m new and a bit confused. To ban a card means only in tournament play right? Say one uses one of these cards at a casual night in their game store or something. Will the ground open up and they be swallowed? That sucks people are getting threats over cardboard my question aside.

[@michaelricheson849]

A friend of mine played a banned card the day after it was banned. We all laughed at him. Told him it was banned and that he couldn't play. It made him exile the card and draw another one. He had to take it out of his deck after that.

[@Go1denSou1]

So the bans are meant to be followed by all that play Commander, whether it is cEDH players or normal players. Obviously, you don't remotely have to listen to it if you are playing at a friends house or something, that is a much better situation for a "rule 0" conversation where everyone just decides themselves what they want to allow or ban. For the example you used of playing at a casual night at a game store, usually the game stores and players at them just expect people to follow the bans with the decks the people coming in will use. They do not usually like check your deck before hand or anything, but if you are in a game with random people and everyone else built within the bans and you played Mana Crypt or Nadu, then people will probably not really want to play with you and the owners may get complaints and probably just ask you to use a different deck. The people taking this shit to far, regardless of whether they are cEDH or regular players, are disgusting.

[@aistikasmursu9432]

Bans outside of official play are entirely subjective I/E. You can play whatever you want in a home game, but some people are just of the opinion that they want to play within the current ruleset anyway even if there's nobody forcing me to. As an example I like to play my games always in the current format I/E. I don't like to roll back old versions of games or stuff in anyway, because it feels like that's disrespectful to the people who made it so I would never play in a way that's outside of the "rules" as in I would never "cheat" as in never play as the devs or the people deciding the rules didn't intend because it just feels icky to me. Long story short no, there's no pit of hell that appears and swallows you whole if you don't play by the bans, but some people just like to have it both ways I/E. Play the banned cards and just not have them be banned officially.

[@LiliumCruorem]

@@michaelricheson849 You were playing with friends and following the banlist? sounds like a bad play group.

[@rafaelbordoni516]

From my understanding, the bans are aimed at LGSs. If you only play with your friends and never with strangers then the ban list is useless, but if you ever play with strangers then a ban list helps. Even with the ban list there's some taboo around extra turn spells, stax pieces and infinite combos, which is why even the people that like having a ban list were never completely happy with it.

[@Maxster2025]

I go to a local game store to play magic & have been picked on for not using tons of mana rocks in my deck. I don’t play with sol ring, mana crypt, etc. I want to play magic without rushing a game to get to the next. I don’t play high level EDH, I usually make decks around power level 4 cause they are fun to me & aren’t overpowered. I hate how this community gets mad at these bans

[@ticklord]

Gamers optimizing the fun out of their games. A classic for sure

[@lopmon.apologist]

I think the best commander games are between 45min to an hour 15. When everyone is playing slow ass decks (power lvl5 or below) it's just impossible to have a game last less than an hour thirty. This is the reason why our friend group does t abid by the new banlist. To each their own tho.

[@MangaScrub]

@@lopmon.apologistin a perfect world, precon commanders would have enough time on the board to give you value at some point.

[@zmichalo13]

Big thing that needs to be said is that this self-governing doesn't work in games with strangers at LGS's, especially when we all know there's a strong section of the community that don't have the social intelligence to have difficult discussions with bad actors. WotC should be balancing with those people in mind exclusively. The pods of friends can pick and choose recommendations based on their discussions but LGS commander games have to be policed more intensely to maintain that community.

[@priestofforgottengods6652]

Threatening people over cardboard pieces... some people have sad life... Great video!!

[@electricanomaly]

played a game of commander recently where an opponent had around 9 mana on turn 5. What am I supposed to do about that if I don't draw my own mana ramp cards?!

[@vengray8055]

Quit and don't play them?

[@chrislijoi9997]

I actually like the "bracket" list that Wizards is proposing to gauge power level, because I hate hearing people who say "oh my deck is about a 7 probably" when asked how powerful it is. I get that things are still being worked on, but I also want to give Wizards the benefit of the doubt on this. Also I saw Brian Kibler on Twitter say that this seemed inevitable and I have to agree. Yes, having a separate rules committee is great but Commander is also Magic's biggest format. Commander is how a lot of people get into the game, and Commander is what a lot of people have in mind when buying cards. I think having two separated entities print cards and ban cards for Commander wasn't going to last either way. For those who want more details, LoadingReadyRun recently did a podcast episode where they talked about the bans with someone from the Commander Advisory Group and someone else who is contracted to build Commander decks for other creators on their shows. That and The Professor's video are both really good watches.

[@lemteegee]

Honestly listening to Gavin and Aaron today made me feel so much better about the go-forward and life of commander.

[@Sleeqb7]

Hey so you've said multiple times "Give this BACK to Wizards" but Wizards at no point have ever had control of the EDH format. It's not 'giving it back', it's giving it for the first time.

[@idrea7506]

3:20 No, we shouldn’t be embarrassed to be magic players. There is no responsibility by association. You and I bear no blame for the actions of unreasonable people.

[@TheYoutubeUser69]

of course not but I can tell you any1 still does it anyway

[@Fyre11]

The community policing and reporting the community is the only way to make the community better. Ignoring it and saying "oh well, I'm not part of the problem" is still part of the problem.

[@UnluckyLilly]

@@Fyre11I can’t disagree more. I’m part of 1 million communities. I don’t need to point out all the white people being bad, I don’t need to point out all the women being bad, I don’t need to point out all the Americans being bad, I don’t need to point out all the gamers being bad. If you see any person doing something shitty, you should probably tell them to stop, but you hold no responsibility over them simply because you are a part of a group with them.

[@TheMasterOfAdventure]

9:04 This is absolutely my top fear for the ETERNAL format. The possibility of a rotation or pseudo-rotation for it. Thus killing one of the things that brought me back to playing a TCG in the first place. Aside from that, good shit, boys. A well-thought, measure take on the whole situation.

[@TerryTheGod]

my group has a house rule of no turn 1 sol ring.

[@Free_Rayne]

When the bans happened, I was annoyed solely at jeweled lotus being banned as it was specifically made and advertised for commander. I literally said "man that's fucking stupid and kind of dumb" and moved on tbh. I never really used Jeweled Lotus but for why and how it was made is why it's a dumb ban imo

[@ShadyboyDCT]

Excellent video and points, thank you guys!

[@Perceptious37]

jeweled lotus was a mistake that greedy hasbro just wanted to money grub with. That's the only commander specific card that i have had a problem with, though i dont like the general idea of printing cards specifically for the format. The other 3 have no reason being banned. Some LGS have powerlevel based pods so you arent over/under matched. The biggest issues is people using a cardboard piece of paper like a stock/bond/investment. Pair that with all the obvious insider knowledge where all of a sudden right before the ban like 10x the normal sales of these rare cards happened at a discount. Look at TCG player sales right before the ban happened. MASSIVE spike in cheaper than normal sales.

[@epicthief]

Thank you Drew and Ryan for covering this, as someone who played EDH and stopped playing magic when Commander became a "standard" format at our local. I always felt that EDH whole point was just a fun game to play... My crew used to have multiple decks, some for fast pace and others for slow. It's all what your crew wants to play. Commander is a Community format. Don't let Wizard trick you into thinking Commander is a format that you should dump your money into

[@mikes9767]

I agree with most of what you're saying. I've already seen a couple comments pointing out that Wizards of the Coast hasn't had control off that rules/ban list of commander before, but the thing that is most worrying to me is now they don't have anyone to tell them NO when they design over powered cards for commander to sell more packs.

[@spencerhansen5595]

As someone who's played cEDH for nearly a decade on and off, I've had my issues with the RC. In absolutely no way does that make it ok to threaten them over a ban decision. That is some seriously vile behavior and needs to be addressed somehow.

[@Ace95616]

I think you are looking at this from the wrong angle. The problem is that the rules committee made ban decisions based on the product release schedule of Wizards. The rules committee should have banned cards sooner rather than let them become format staples. With Wizards taking over the ban list for the format, expect them to create a rotating format as they have done with every other format and things being ten times worse. This could have been all avoided if the rule committee had not collaborated with Wizards on this recent ban and independently banned these cards a year ago despite Wizard's product release cycle.

[@dragonlorddc16]

Nah after the way all of the "investors" acted they don't deserve a RC and if anything gets worse here on out it's their fault

[@BeefyCheeks36]

You're one of the neckbeards that got us in this mess. Fuck you. Glad you lost money

[@Ms10000123]

Any at-home playgroup can do zero 0, but it just doesn't work with any sort of organized play. In that regard, RC has been way too complacent and something needed to happen. I think banning some expensive staples was a based move, but that wasn't the reason provided. It was handled poorly and the backlash was moronic. I at least hope everyone who was that upset about it is happy now, because those losers got what they deserved.

[@korybeaulieu-blanchette948]

Wait you think they should consider card value when deciding if it's healthy for the format? 😂 🤡 🤡

[@Ms10000123]

@@korybeaulieu-blanchette948 To keep it casual? Yes, absolutely. It actually makes sense if you'd actually think about it.

[@Thetracker69]

Honestly, I haven't bought a legitimate MTG product in years. After the whole OGL fiasco with D&D and Wizards sending the literal PINKERTONS to a guy's house cause he got some cards early, I haven't really touched either of those products in a while. But if I still genuinely considered myself a MTG player, I'd be ashamed that we let such vitriol fester in the community to the point it could affect the RC so thoroughly. Like, don't get me wrong, I've got no love for the RC; half their bans didn't make sense, and the other half of the bans were contradicted by other cards that met all the criteria for being banned still being playable. But I never once, not even in my wildest nightmares ever considered threatening them over a banned card. Even if they ended up banning one of my favorite commanders, I'd just be like "Oh no! Rule 0's it anyways." I still have a deck that runs Paradox Engine, despite it being banned since 2019.

[@spartan7hk]

What did ryan mean with the unwanted remake on swords manifest can only happen with creatures unless I'm just misunderstanding

[@rafaelbordoni516]

Best video on that situation I've watched yet.

[@Affirmingtree]

One thing i want to comment on in regards to what the boys were saying in regards to play groups regulating etc., that is, imho, not what bans like these target. These bans are for the people who think its ok to go to a pick-up game with strangers, where it's already more difficult to engage with rule 0, and run a deck with lotus, crypt, dockside, tithes, rhystic, etc. when the other people in the pod might be new players, or players who were at least sensible enough to know better.

[@jalinmiller6635]

@skillcheck is there anyway we could submit fan made decks for you guys to play, I’d love to see how synergistic mine and other people decks are played

[@djkatsuo]

If your putting your investing livelihood in cardboard, you need to put in your big boy pants and become an adult

[@SneoK]

Nah you just need to invest in reserved list cards and watch the sweet income for years. Who invests in cards that see reprints and are made for a single format?

[@djkatsuo]

@@SneoK lmao. Vintage magic been flat for years. Give it another 5 years and the game will power creep beyond anything on that list

[@ticklord]

​@@djkatsuothe reason those cards are expensive is because they're alpha/beta/unlimited printed cards and are the best of the best in those sets.

[@KlausCarnalito]

​@@ticklordPartiy the reason why. So basically the way it works is that theirs 2 major factors that make a card have more value than others. Playability and rarity. It's why Jace the mindsculptor is a 20$ card but has a 500$ variant. It's also the reason why unlimited tropical islands are 500$ but a beta edition can be over 1000$. As power creep becomes more powerful we draw closer to the line where the og duals lands will barely be the best. Which then asks the question what happens to the playability of an extremely rare card? How many more mox/lotus cards do we need before the OG are obsolete. Once we cross that line the reserve list will become just a list of the most rare and marginally most powerful. The prices will drop as more and more people settle for the almost as good alternatives and the demand of these cards will drop. I imagine once people stop using these cards in Vintage is when the fall of the reserve list will start and it'll slowly die from there. They'll still be worth a lot just look at the first ed shadowless Charizard but growth will be slow and unless you buy in early won't be worth anyone to invest in.

[@Free_Rayne]

@@djkatsuo completely missed the point lol

[@Walternatum]

I feel signalling bans is pointless, it just spreads the money loss to more people. Sure the og owners can sell before it's banned but then the buyers who aren't aware then take the loss as the the banned price will always be the same, I agree with RC to have kept it secret and "surprise" to prevent people from taking advantage of people that don't look up ban lists

[@randomaether]

They do not need to ban cards to cause a rotation, as proven with modern, and to an extent, commander, printing powerful and format warping cards is enough. This is the scary part of losing the rules committee.

[@yeahhimolive8616]

Man i had absolutely no idea there were death threats... That is genuinely insane i feel so bad for the people on the board or whatever its called.

[@sarahw1371]

Very well said y'all. Deeply disappointed in those who made threats.

[@HollowdTV]

So i do wanna say, on the topic of Commander pods self-correcting, if someone sits down and they have jlo dockside and mana crypt in their deck, we have to ask them to unsleeve their cards and put replacements in. and thats if they even tell us that those cards are in their decks. Atleast the ban list makes it so the entire conversation starts with, "i know the cards are banned, but i like playing Dockside in my Red deck, are you guys okay with that?" instead of "Hey if you're deck has X Y and Z in it, you have to sit and resleeve if you wanna play here." not that i care about the bans one way or the other, i didnt own any of those cards. But i do disagree that using the "pods self-correct" argument AGAINST the bans is a poor one.

[@TheMintyButler]

I think long turns are definitely the only problem I’ve had on spelltable and with randoms

[@TerminalMurph]

saw a meme of that one hall monitor SpongeBob episode where SpongeBob goes, "We did it Patrick we saved the format!"

[@OvenfreshDeth]

This is a dark period for commander. Is this what Sheldon would have wanted? What would he think if he was still with us?

[@stayhomewarrior9854]

Honestly, as someone who was against the bans and just wanted to have civil conversations with people to illustrate where i was coming from. These people sending threats piss me off so much that they dilute any civil conversation and turn this whole narrative into hate speech. It's absolutely disgusting.

[@CalicoWren]

I hate the idea of slow magic, and I feel that these bans only serve to push that as the "best way" to play commander. There was definite problems in the way that these cards were banned as well, considering there was no warning that these cards were even remotely close to the chopping block. Also from what I remember, the rules committee didn't even consult the advisory group at all. I feel like making a sudden change like this is definitely going to have a reasonable amount of backlash. That being said they at no point warranted the vile behavior that was shown during this time, as none of that was "reasonable".

[@Deathcraftt]

my table lets us use banned cards all the time. as long as the goal isn't to abuse any one of them, it's okay. at the end of the day, as long as we are having fun, the banlist doesn't matter. altho we will sit down and discuss why it may have been banned, and go from there.

[@Kina604]

i think one of the last points of this video capsulated exactly where my position lies on this subject. i am not mad at the rules committee. nor am i angry at the bans. I am only disappointed in the terrible way that they did not roll out these bans in a well timed way or signal to us that bans were gonna be upon us. one day we woke up and lost 100s if not thousands of dollars worth of the cards that people own. and for me its not even about the money its that not only two weeks before this ban i bought my very first ever nadu. ofc i would not have bought this if they had given us any inkling of these bans to come. i imagine as well that some people bought jeweled lotus or mana crypts the day before the ban. needless to say they could have rolled out these bans in a much gentler and easier to process manner.

[@Solidus-]

No unbans, new power level system, and they didn’t want overpowered cards to be apart of the 99 that everyone always chased and felt like they had to have in their decks. Making other cards in commander useless.

[@Solidus-]

Example; everyone already needs a soul ring, sig, and talisman. They didn’t want it to be an additional set of cards taking away from the 99. The more you know.

[@FxNimm_]

Have people forgotten they sent the literal Pinkerton's after a guy who got a set a bit too early than the release of the set? Imagine what they would do over death threats.

[@killerrick9643]

When it comes to testing bans all the have to do is get there stupid app actually working properly for once. But then they could just push the most recent rules to a platform that is calculated by a computer and the testing happens in days. I can't believe that's even a suggestion rather than standard operations

[@QuicksilverSG]

Commander is really three overlapping formats, distinguished by card selection: * Casual Commander - No: stax, infinite loops, land destruction. Budget-friendly, no proxies. * Pay-to-Win Commander - Casual plus pay-to-win cards > $25. Proxies require permission. * Competitive EDH (cEDH) - Play-to-win, nothing legal excluded. Proxies taken for granted. Prominent promoters of Pay-to-Win Commander are WotC, online card dealers, and corporate-sponsored KZbinrs. Here is a translation of WotC's proposed four brackets of Commander power level: Bracket 1: cards < $10 Bracket 2: cards up to $10 - $20 Bracket 3: cards up to $20 - $100 Bracket 4: cards > $100

[@Bonlaws]

A money based bracket simply doesn't work, take the original Hazezon Tamar for example, card is over 100 euros and is pretty damn bad, I own it and have a commander deck with him, so suddenly that deck is supposed to be cedh bracket? Or my mono white rebel tribal deck, it's pretty bad, but has some expensive cards to make it semi functional, so now that too is in the highest bracket, yet you can probably build a quite competetive deck with cheap cards.

[@frogtoad8692]

This behavior is truly disgusting and in the future I am going to stop running all of these fast mana cards (sol ring command tower and jazz) in solidarity

[@MrPieguy124]

I’ve been waiting for this

[@benwilliam5865]

Why am I vindicated with wotc taking control being a good thing? A while ago today, wotc did its "future of commander" twitch stream.. towards the end of the stream when ppl were spamming questions, a playgroup member asked if they would roll back the ban of lotus... to which a community member replied to him "No negotiations with terrorists whatsoever". I for one am ecstatic that ppl this unhinged are kept far from any position of influence over my hobbies & those in control actually have a vested interest on a hobby's success more than "i rEaLLy LiKe It!!!"

[@vengray8055]

🤓

[@benwilliam5865]

@@vengray8055 🤣ikr? even if 100% of these threat allegations were real, imagine being such a self-centered person to think their empathy carries enough weight that it gives them a pass to abandon decency.

[@bunson742]

im simply a casual player and i feel like i will just play what i want. of course i will ask my group before hand but i also dont use really over powered decks anyways even if i do decide to use proxies. if you're truly competitive and behave like some of the people did to the rc you need to reevaluate your life choices. in the end it's a card game, have fun or don't. up to you

[@ranuuki_sempai9297]

Best video so far, I agree 100% with everything they said. MTG is supposed to be a game, but it is also a business, a business for WOTC, and a game for us.

[@JustinRuta]

That’s such a perfect example of karma- the community threatens people and then something bad happens to the community (wotc controls bans now).

[@nolanadamiec9693]

Please make a new committee to take it back there’s no reason why we can’t. If the majority doesn’t want this we need to make some people the new RC

[@dragonlorddc16]

Too late for that all the whiny investors have spoiled the pot for the next while

[@professorbeam9885]

Commander is Super Smash Bros for Magic the Gathering

[@jtelm157]

I don't disagree, I'm just gonna need an explanation

[@zangvids]

poggers. thanks guys.

[@crazydeadperson]

It's not like the Internet isn't known for doing this as far back as I can remember at least. After snipers were nerfed in black ops 2 I remember one of the dudes on the team getting major backlash. Not that it's a good thing just weird how people are reacting to it

[@ionprime1828]

Mana crypt was kinda silly. Sure it’s 0 mana sol ring but it also kills you. Both cards are turn 0 but one just murders you

[@vengray8055]

No it doesn't kill you. Just does a miniscule amount of damage each turn which really doesn't matter to most the decks that run the card. So no real downside

[@lastnamefirstname8655]

great video.

[@eddy140]

I have a feeling someone going to make a unofficial cr crew.

[@terror2259]

Invest into precious metals! They only go up

[@dominicsizemore5618]

Damn I just got into magic 😩

[@darkinsanity98473]

You can build decks of multiple different power levels to play with people. I wouldn't put these types of cards in a low power deck and you can pull that out when it's not appropriate to use your stronger decks with these types of cards in them. That being said I do oppose most bans on principle because I just don't like them. But these people who made the RC quit have potentially made things much worse. I always thought WotC taking over would be the worst case scenario.

[@cordingdesert9566]

This is like someone trying to explain warhammer 40k lore to me. I enjoy it, but i can't understand a thing.

[@JumboBog320]

All i hope is they dont do what Konami does with Yugioh. They use the banlist to push new products and reprints. Problem cards that get banned way too late because they have a reprint coming later. And once a card finally got a cheap reprint then ban it so budget players can play with them for 2-3 months. Lets wait and see what happens but i am a little scarred.

[@peeporiot9948]

To be clear: I think universally we all wish that WOTC didnt control the rules committee. But we also need to recognize that the format got too large to be run by 5 unpaid volunteers. If the rules committee had evolved as the game got bigger it wouldn't have become a problem but they remained way too small for the job they were tasked with.

[@mechtotem]

Great video, but gotta point out that buying all the rice in Florida would be a financial investment

[@dee_don3999]

this is how normal yugioh players feel

[@Perceptious37]

Rules Committee BANNED :(

[@TheOfficialSkloosh]

time to move to oathbreaker

[@HartlessWeeb]

I play cedh. I like fast over the top games and have spent my hard earned money on all the cards. The bans sucked but didnt destroy my decks. I dont like to proxy my cards and own physical copies. However everyone saying proxies thousands of dollars worth wont work. Any other format wizards requires you to own the cards. Do you really think wizards wont make commander an offical format and require the cards to go with it. It doesn't matter reserved list, new or old. You will shell out money and like it if not dont play because you are to cheap. Wait and see

[@williampeck1149]

I feel like this whole thing could’ve been avoided by using a simple discord voter poll on what cards (out of the 4) the community as a whole feel like would be the best bans for the format to improve or if not then simply clicking the “none listed above” option. Like the internet is a thing.. discord is a thing. Just like when DC killed off Robin because fans CALLED a PHONE NUMBER. I’m honestly disappointed in everyone involved; really just stupid calls left and right from all players in the situation

[@dylanstone7045]

i agree on everything but think personally a casual format shouldnt have a big governing body. unless we’re talking cedh

[@yoyo_yoshie]

Totally agree with you guys, awesome video with an awesome thumbnail lmao

[@DieDieNacho]

As someone who has been playing dnd 5e for some time now, there are many "rules" we choose to ignore. We still have fun.

[@Dionisisdenis]

It's a whatever situation,these things happen and will keep happening,being ashamed yourself of what other people do is pretty silly

[@Choooooooooch]

THE O DAWG ❤❤

[@chrisb3291]

Have you seen commander players? It's not a shock.

[@chrislognshot]

commander rules committee situation is crazy, would not happen if people that play commander would act like adults instead doing what they did. i thought commander players where more respectful then way they acted. the people who went after them to threaten harm them or harassment towards are people looking do evil things. i started when game came out. we had to ante-up cards before game started and before we drew our hands. we did not like the rule but followed it for first 6 months. then change to where we would ante-up card like game said. but left out game for good. when game was over we got back our ante-up card. then when MTG change rules we went with new rule. sucks to many people not acting like adults ruin something. all over fact could not stand commander need to be balance again for great good of game. those cards where making people rage quit or not wanting to play. or main issue was scaring new players from want play spend money. its like in paintball. you do not want to scare rec-ball players away. or we get no growth in the game.

[@anthonycatania5613]

8:05 Yeah, but you and I don't make decisions and rules that effect the value of an entire market.

[@Pandamex187]

Yeah and now cards are gonna get even more expensive since we no longer have a third party controlling the bans

[@heresyseed]

Fast mana equals more games played…

[@YuyoAlberto]

Commander Rotation incoming...

[@Ilovethicco]

but its cardboard...

[@egbert5871]

WoTC bans around the problem card. How many cards got ban before hogaak was lol

[@TheGrimTimer]

im sad i have 2 of those cards in my favourite deck lol

[@crestfallen5638]

people tryharding commander is pretty awkward.. I have only ever experienced tryhards being super toxic in my TCG-store. That said, other than that everyone else has been cool.

[@jodiexalazar2]

Rule zero is such a huge joke imo. It's pretty much only for playgroups. Playing with randoms, rule zero does not really come up. Please stop using rule zero for any argument. It's meaningless

[@vengray8055]

This exactly. Someone always bringing up rule when it's only relevant when you have a consistent playgroup. Very rare for in depth discussions of particular cards come up. The most I've heard from playgroup of randoms is hopefully a rough idea of what powerlevel we trying to play.

[@ubertuna1]

Who the heck plays with randoms without at least vaguely discussing power level? Mana Crypt actually worked pretty well as a benchmark to distinguish a 'high power' deck from a 'casual' one

[@lessthangio]

It really is crazy

[@Steviehelen]

I would really appreciate videos like this, to be done in Charlie's stream room.. with a white shirt and a cap on.. it would be very funny

[@LiliumCruorem]

I only play house games. I have a lot of banned cards and some of them are in my commander decks. If I PAY for a card, I'm playing with the card whenever I want. The banlist only has power in official tournaments. I'm not apart of that world so the banlist has never been an issue for me. My playgroups have always been chill and our only "banned" card was Jokulhaups.

[@GiantBUThead]

Honesty who cares, wherever I play commander it's always with rules we decide on the spot. Hell I hadn't checked the banlist in a while and found out a dude was using a banned card unknowingly but it didn't matter because he got stomped in 3 out of 4 games with that deck. I haven't met anyone who follows any of these banlists etc., so i can't understand who these people are to get so mad to threaten the rules committee over a few banned cards which people will probably continue using anyway.

[@threepointgaming]

This is going to become ygo with how they handle the formats and product its so sad to leave ygo and come to magic just to see Wotc become Konami 2.0

[@dragonlorddc16]

Least Yu-Gi-Oh is cheaper for any of the big hitter cards

[@orcwordlaugh1360]

No mention of the accusation that the rules committee sold their cards prior to announcing the ban? PayMoneyWubby's video mentioned more of these cards sold in the week prior than the previous three months combined.

[@ticklord]

"Here's an anecdote that proves nothing, must be the rules committee insider trading" take the tinfoil hat off.

[@orcwordlaugh1360]

@@ticklord I don't think you understand what anecdote means. I mentioned statistical data.

[@ticklord]

@@orcwordlaugh1360 The speculation off the data is anecdotal. Maybe you should go back to English class.

[@orcwordlaugh1360]

@@ticklord There's the thing, I did not make any speculations. I stated the fact that there are accusations, the fact regarding sales and the fact that they didn't talk about it. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it anecdotal.

[@ticklord]

@@orcwordlaugh1360 sheesh, your English skills are pretty mid

[@Dingus2]

Theres a creature spell that has a tap ability that is literally the same thing as biorythem

[@MustangMike52]

Legendary thumbnail Edit after watching the video: I'm willing to say WOTC isn't going to ban more cards than the RC did and they're going to pick up the easiest W of their life for it

[@jimzh7669]

You dont think the company that made 1 thousand dollar dollar proxies isnt going to ban cards to push new remade balanced versions of cards?