The Complete Linguistic Case for The OUT-OF-INDIA Theory (Part 1)

This podcast is Part 1 of a 3 part series where Shrikant Talageri will present before us The Complete Linguistic Case for The OUT-OF-INDIA Theory. In this particular discussion, we will be covering some linguistic arguments, linguistic paleontology, and the isoglosses.
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[@ashishsawant5288]

Mr. Talageri deserves one of the Padma awards

[@SameerKumar-jf5mi]

no, it's still not a comclusive proof. all he shows that OIT is plausible, but not the only possibility

[@themaskedman5954]

@@SameerKumar-jf5mi If you listen carefully and read his all works you may understand

[@themaskedman5954]

@@SameerKumar-jf5mi Even if he is not fully that doesn't matter Awards are given for the contribution of someone need not to be exactly correct

[@ashishsawant5288]

@@SameerKumar-jf5mi AIT is not substantiated but you will agree to it as there was no rebuttal to that propaganda....open your mind and apply logic.....atleast Mr.Talegiri makes an unbiased and whole hearted attempt.....

[@user-xn2hc5it8q]

He has no peer reviewed work for OIT. Padma awards for what lol

[@playhard719]

Kushal you are the most civilized host I have ever seen, you understand Shrikant Talageri sir well and allow him to do his explaining without any intervention.

[@ZZz-kf4oy]

At one point I wondered about doing a minor in linguistics. My goal was to learn about the origin of the indoEuropean languages. I didn’t go ahead with that plan but I’m glad someone else has done work on it. This person needs an honorary PhD from an Indian university and needs to start developing a course on this.

[@statickk14]

He will never get one. We have too many MacAuley’s children in our universities

[@sadenb]

Absolutely. He is so sound technically.

[@mahipalcharan6690]

@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 No, they were Druhyus clan Decendent kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpbbmmmAnreYps0 👈👈 Druhyus clan Decendent in Near Anu clan &Semetic influence Specially Germanic branch.

[@mahipalcharan6690]

@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 Danav -Danan west European. Danav-Danan Migrated frome India to Anatolia , Greek,West Europe 👈👈 kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2itqZWVns2Frqc 👈👈 Elamite Decendent of Daitya Asura.

[@aayushhh95]

Always a pleasure to listen to Shrikant Talageri ji.

[@marasi36]

1. Will Durant, American historian: "India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of Europe's languages: she was the mother of our philosophy; mother, through the Arabs, of much of our mathematics; mother, through the Buddha, of the ideals embodied in Christianity; mother, through the village community, of self-government and democracy. Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all". 2. Mark Twain, American author: "India is, the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only." 3. Albert Einstein, American scientist: "We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made." 4. Max Mueller, German scholar: If I were asked under what sky the human mind has most fully developed some of its choicest gifts, has most deeply pondered on the greatest problems of life, and has found solutions, I should point to India. 5. Romain Rolland, French scholar : "If there is one place on the face of earth where all the dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the dream of existence, it is India." 6. Henry David Thoreau, American Thinker & Author: Whenever I have read any part of the Vedas, I have felt that some unearthly and unknown light illuminated me. In the great teaching of the Vedas, there is no touch of sectarianism. It is of all ages, climbs, and nationalities and is the royal road for the attainment of the Great Knowledge. When I read it, I feel that I am under the spangled heavens of a summer night. 7. R.W. Emerson, American Author: In the great books of India, an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy, but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence, which in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the questions that exercise us. European house mice supposed to have their DNA marker from India & we know where caravans of people go their animal's & mice follow! ❤✌

[@Dhruv_Dogra]

👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

[@risingsun9064]

Excellent talk by Shrikant ji. One more observation in suppport of OIT is the steady loss of inflections as one moves out of India. Indian languages have the highest degress of inflection of all so called PIE family, this reduces pregressively as one moves north-west to slavic regions and then to western and scandinavian regions. This also suggests Indians were using languages for many sophisticated purposes like composing hymns and finding elegant ways to compress knowledge via easy recitation, whereas west which has been a historically backward region until recently did not need such sophisticated language artifacts and dropped them for vernacular use.

[@sadenb]

Mind blowing thesis on the evolution of numbers. That's a PhD right there.

[@karthikbharadwaj9949]

45:25 the third l sound "zha" is also found in Kannada and it also has a letter associated with that I.e. "ೞ". The modern Kannada speakers doesn't use it but it was used in speech and writing untill 18th century. But in Kannada we have a letter for the third L and third R I.e "ೞ" and "ಱ" respectively.

[@savin1999]

Yeah

[@marneninagavenkat7149]

Even in Telugu.

[@karthikbharadwaj9949]

@@marneninagavenkat7149 yeh "ೞ" was in old Telugu around 8th to 10th century. But for Kannada, we see it's usage untill 18th century.

[@tomcat5166]

What do you expect, he is dumb, he didn't even do proper research at least to post this Pseudo Theory. Zha is also present in Telugu. It was present till 11th Century, Pzhoddu -- Proddu Zhissi --- Dissi In this way words got transformed in Telugu.

[@karthikbharadwaj9949]

@@tomcat5166 the zh change in telugu can be seen in two ways 1. From zh to D like "డ", like Old and Middle kannada "Ezhu" becomes "EDu" (number seven) where modern Kannada switches to ELu 2. From zh to R "ఱ", like Old Kannada "Pozhal", becomes "Prolu" in Telugu. Where Middle and modern Kannada forms are "Hozhal" and "HoLal" (Means City) eg: "Kisuvozhal" (old name of Pattadakal) in Kannada and "Battiprolu". Old Kannada word for horse is "Gozha" "ಗೋೞ" and Old Telugu word for Horse is "GuRam" "గుఱం".

[@112deeps]

That which was not understood or known before becomes clarified & distinguished .

[@s.b626]

This man has revolutionized this field. The AIT have no answer for him. Check out Raj Vedant too. This is what happens when Indians fight back and take a stand. It is up to all Indians to preserve our culture and ancestral heritage. Learn so you can start standing your ground, on the internet , in person, in classrooms. We are the only people who are told we invented nothing. Contributed nothing to the world and everyone gave us our heritage. YET all the evidence of greatness is actually found here in India. We actually have a civilization. We have evidence of continual culture. Time to become Shivaji and take the fight to our enemies. We should ask them why they are so obsessed with out ancestors and culture that they want to attach themselves to us. What's so shameful about their own ancestors?

[@kikum3067]

Great talk sir. We need such a linguistic scholers from all the Indian languages to give strength to his hypothesis and correct if necessary (arrivingto one point and further confusion). We shouldn't depend on western linguistic solely.

[@profrajeshmaurya5078]

Mr Talageri videos / Books must be promoted to wider set of people. This is amazing content.

[@PranavGogwekar]

Just like the isoglossic words someone must also study and compare the evolution of Indo-European religions. How they diverge and evolve.

[@jitendivgi2761]

Pranams to Shrikant मामा - rare thought leader!!!!!

[@indopacificworldaffairs5562]

Must watch for every Indian, even Pakistani, Sri Lankanz Afghani people

[@dverma83]

Thr word for Himalayan Oak tree is Uttarakhand in "baanch/j" which sound very similar to beech

[@laquica3255]

Thank you for putting this out. Some very good arguments by Shri Talageri Ji

[@kastaway25]

I am desperately trying to get Shri Shrikanth Sir’s books. Thank you so much for giving us an opportunity to hear him speak.

[@ketanpatil87]

This guy can talk!! 😳😳🙄🙄

[@saffronpanda1735]

If I understand nasal sound correctly, there is a nasal sound in Tamil. For example ஞாயிறு means Sunday. We pronounce it as nyayiru.

[@NikhileshSurve]

44:36 I'd say we do have that sound in Marathi, Kannada & Telugu as well. But in written form it's no longer used although the character for it is present *Tamil: ள & ழ* *Malayalam: ള & ഴ* *Kannada: ಳ‍ & ೞ* *Telugu: ళ & * & *Devanagari: ळ & ऴ* where the sound of ळ (& it's Kannada & Telugu equivalents) is how ள & ള is supposed to be (touching the top of the tongue to the roof of the mouth) & the sound of ऴ (& it's Kannada & Telugu equivalents) is how ழ & ഴ is supposed to be (not touching the the roof of the mouth with the tip of the tongue, instead keeping it in the air while pronouncing). The only difference is that in Kannada & Telugu the ழ & ഴ equivalents are now absent even from their pronunciation but in Marathi it's absent only in written form but we still pronounce it, so in other words the letter ळ is pronounced like ऴ (Sir pronounced तमिऴ्, काळ, हिवाळा, etc exactly like that) whereas ऴ itself is not used in written form even though it's sound is used regularly.

[@sagarm4983]

For those who have not understood - Isogloss means pronunciation. Languages when they co-exist in nearby areas end up sharing common forms of pronunciations. Now how do isoglosses of various Indo-European languages disprove Original Indo-European homeland in Steppe? Simple - Aryan Invasion Theory says that first branch of Indo-European to leave Steppe is HITTITE (which was spoken in ancient Turkey) followed by TOCHARIAN (spoken in ancient Western China) and followed by ITALIC (ancestor of Spanish, Italian, French and Portuguese of South West Europe). But these three branches have some common forms of isoglosses which they DO NOT share with other branches of Indo-European. But how is it possible as per Aryan Invasion Theory? Because according to Steppe Homeland Theory, Hittite goes south to Turkey from Steppe, Tocharian goes east to West China and Italic goes to South West Europe. - - - - - meaning there was no contact between them after they left Steppe!!! Then WHEN and WHERE ON EARTH did these three branches lives together (but separately from other branches of Indo-European) and develop isoglosses common to one another but not found in other branches of Indo-European languages?

[@raghavarvoltore6517]

Won't the Anatolian model also work?

[@anyakosta364]

Wow love it!!!!!!.... Ukrainians of now day have a second dna as 22%...and is of F dna Last names that are of weird pronounced as of sanscrit and not Iranians.....origin..... Ext ext.... Its all soo weird....another thing Oldest swastika of as jewelry found In Ukraine......yet the dna that is F Is from a dravidian culture...or a nation So there still many gaps Let Arian be of Arian...and indo Europeans There are older dna to be worried about on the steppe now Haha :)

[@sagarm4983]

@@raghavarvoltore6517 I think the same problem with Steppe theory also exists - how and where did Hittite, Tocharian and Italic lived together after separating from the rest? From Anatolia, Tocharian goes east and Italic goes west - in opposite directions and hence geographically impossible for any co-existence after leaving original homeland.

[@gururajd2008]

Thanks!

[@cheranjeevijayam8163]

Wow talageri ji

[@aaryanbhagat4852]

Please timestamp these long form of discussion, all the 3 parts are released but not one has been timestamped, do it when you have the time, thanks!

[@richiknair9036]

Does it mean that Indian and Iranians considered druhyus as enemies while baltic and slavic were druhyus themselves and of course they were their own tribes so they were friends. Is that what that isogloss means ? Then, would it also mean that Rig veda was being written around the time of this stage 4 when baltic and slavic were still there close by ?

[@RajSingh-xn8qd]

Yes, you are right. They were to the North West of India. Look at a map of the Indo-Greek kingdoms and you will get an idea where they were.

[@anyakosta364]

Ok guys sooo Ukrainian people Have a F dna.... and its not a huge research has been done..... So the 1st % wise is of R1a...and second is F Very different in Russia They don't have the F but more so of N as their second That could mean F came earlier The dravidian came to Ukraine earlier ......and then the Irian or Aryan happens But before lol Even Ukrainian last names Haha very not slavic. Saxno.....Kulish Drapaluk......this is the last names i grow up with lol...not in ancient They are definitely not Slovak Not Aryan...... All these folks had a taanned skin Lol..... Ukrainian scientists righ3now doing A project with foreign scientists To determine......whats up.... Cause we have a dravidian dna in Ukraine Lol :)

[@richiknair9036]

@@anyakosta364 From what I know F-M89 is a patrilineal haplogroup that originated in India and is present in 90% of the Non-African male population (only males have it since it's only passed down from father to son) . This isn't a "Dravidian" DNA. "Dravidian" and "Aryan" languages are different but that doesn't mean that the people are different. According to genetics, we're the same. Isn't it crazy though that 90% of Non-African males have the same father way back 10s of thousands of years ago ? That's pretty cool. If you were not talking about F-M89 then do tell me which one you were talking about.

[@krishnanramakrishnan472]

Nostalgia

[@kikum3067]

Languages are born around Himalaya..due to rivers developed from Himalaya. South India is like a end area to settle for all those from Erope and Asia, hence mixed culture, mixed languages and mixed culture and diversity. Need someone from south to study on these issues to further clarify linguistic issues

[@SameerKumar-jf5mi]

this is a tangled study indeed

[@themaskedman5954]

No

[@sohamshinde7978]

42:14 the retroflex L is also found in pali , haryanvi rajasthani etc .

[@pmanek]

He has a lot of good material but his presentation is very bad unfortunately. Hopefully he cleans that up and shares this wonderful research with wider audience.

[@parthsharma2455]

Bro he is around 65 so you can understand

[@kartheeque]

Spoken tamil has nasal vowels, though written tamil doesn’t.

[@nitinveturkar2801]

Kushal! You need a standing desk.

[@sanchitwadehra]

mazaa aya or mai ye mazaa har ek hindustani ko dena chahta hun

[@PranavGogwekar]

Live chat people were in their own world XD

[@rahulp4017]

🙏🙏🙏

[@thebio-logical4166]

❤

[@vikramrazdan5680]

Very good logical explanation by Shrikant Talegeri of using 'Linguistics' which shows that Ayran Migration Theory (AIM) cannot be proven, while indicators point clearly towards Out of India Theory (OIT). However, I disagree with his logic that Genetics has no role in proving AIM or OIT, since both involve movement of people (or gene pool). Therefore, to be able to prove AIM or OIT, both Linguistics and Genetics have to be taken into consideration correspondingly. Linguistic data on a chronological basis is available and analysis can yield good results, but the same cannot be said of Gene pool data where data is mainly available for current generation and then had to be transposed chronologically back-in-time by comparison to a 'few' excavated human remains in the region, and this causes wide variations in results.

[@nehrumantri830]

How do you prove for certain that the man who left his family and migrated to India has a child and forces the child to speak his language instead of his mother's, who is native Indian? No child speaks the fathers tongue. That's why it is a mother tongue. The only way that the progeny would speak the mother tongue is if she got on a horse and ran away from her abusive medieval enforcer and in a shock starts blabbering chaste Sanskrit and Vedas in shock upon reaching Ayodhya. Do you think the German researchers sitting in Berlin are thinking of this. No,they are sure that the first action of the Man on reaching the open Gangetic Valley was almost certainly belting out a Yoddle. As time went by the native Indians were yoddling faster. And how do they know this. Because the researcher had an aunt in Dusseldorf who yoddled faster.

[@vikramrazdan5680]

@@nehrumantri830”Mother Tongue” is a metaphorical phrase, not to be taken literally. The words “Mother Ship” is also metaphorical.

[@nehrumantri830]

@@vikramrazdan5680I appreciate that you bothered to respond to the blatant nonsense I had contrived. Now I have to make this into an essay entirely due to your fault. Metaphorically speaking, you should let sleeping dogs lie. You must be aware Vikramji of the constant narrative about invading/migrating "Aryans" being all men who just just rushed in and helped themselves to our innocent aranya kanyas after killing/driving away the local sanatinis-to-be into the jungle. The aranya kanyas then proceeded to give birth to the version-2's who now start speaking Sanskrit. Evidently the Kanyas or their children had no way of saying "over my dead body", because the phrase hadn't been invented by our atheethsundergora by then. Does all this sound logical? If you were a venturesome hunter gatherer how far would you stray from your tribe without returning to them? On the other hand if you are in a wandering tribe of nomad hunter gatherers, you already have your women with you. Suppose the migrants and the natives are together for the sake of argument , the people can be clearly distinguished as those that are visible by day and those visible even by night, ie, the new comers, who, then name the place as INDIA and then venture into the jungles to get eaten by Tigers, crocodiles and their children get stung by Cobras just like a few adults as well who try to handle the Cobras like the natives, unaware of the latter's fake secret and an unfortunate glib assumption that "seen by night" sanskrit speakers were amazingly self reliant and so stayed out of their affairs. Then a smart "seen by night" youth falls in love with an aranyakanya and tells her of a promised land up North and proposes to her offering his R un gene. She is of a-way gene stock and so they R un a-way, spreading their genes in the Steppes and then across Europe in later generations resulting in mass R un a-way's until the Pope emerged and put a stop to it and demanded to know of the origin of this R un a-way sutra. It wasn't until somebody turned up at Madras and announced himself as The English, brought us to where we are now. The English had no idea that their language was related to the one that the R uns here spoke which intrigued them. They found a book here in India called the Gita and thought it was great until someone reminded them that it was a bunch of Gunas and Karmas, mostly Karmas, written by the unfortunate encounters of dead R un's Karmas at their handling of their own Gunas while attempting to live with and manage with a-ways guna karmas. Time has passed. Gradually R un a-wayan's became oh? R wayan to Aryan. Even the word Mother is metaphorical now. Dont believe everything I say. Even I don't.

[@tonyturntable8025]

There was a genetic continuum between West Asia and NW India between 30k BCE to 10k BCE. Genetics aren't going to be able to answer this question because there has been admixture throughout that region for thousands of years. All of these populations are very admixed, as you can see by looking at haplogroup studies.

[@aks4361]

Please translate in hidi it will to much better for this matter

[@rajbaniwal3236]

While this podcast tries to make a case for all “Indian subcontinent” dwellers as the source of all languages and progress, some people must bring in North Vs South language thing. If you really did hear the whole podcast, it’s about whole of Indian subcontinent and the rest of the world. The difference in our languages is actually the proof we are all one. At least in India, the Pakistanis, Nepalis, Bangladeshis, Bhutanese, and Sri Lankans may think differently because of politics. But if all politics aside, not only that we are one, so are Iranians, Iraqis and most of central Asia. But, okay, let’s just fight.

[@RajSingh-xn8qd]

Another great talk and I learned a lot from it. However, one point sorely disappoints me. You say that the Western linguistic methods are scientific and we should not reject their method of reconstruction as scientific people, then are you not putting yourself in a bit of a trap here. According to you Mittani Sanskrit and Avestan are late Rig Vedic in the new books, Mittani has Z sounds and Avestan has S>H sounds, then how do you derive Mittani and Avestan from Sanskrit? According to Western linguists this is not possible. They say Mittani Sanskrit and Avestan are older than Vedic Sanskrit. So you are now contradicting yourself.

[@anyakosta364]

An you get ur personal prove? As what they said? Up untill you can its all elogical Just reading and believing...

[@surajs5913]

He did not claim any non Indian language was derived from sanskrit. It cannot be proved, and sanskrit itself has evolved over the centuries. Early vedic sanskrit is extremely different from later vedic sanskrit which is still different from modern sanskrit. His claim is that the proto indo european language devoloped in India, from which both sanskrit and other languages are derived.

[@RajSingh-xn8qd]

@@surajs5913 Suraj I am not sure how familiar you are with Shrikant ji work and linguistics in general. He claims and I agree with him too that Avestan and Mittani have the same words and names that only appear in the Rig Vedic new books. This means that Avestan and Mittani are after Vedic Sanskrit and not before it. In this case, does it not follow that they have descended from late Vedic Sanskrit? Now the problem is this Suraj, the Western linguistics method that he accepts cannot be used to derive Avestan and Mittaani from Vedic Sanskit. Instead they say that they derive from another language called Proto-Indo-Iranian(corrected) which had the Z sounds found both in Avestan and Mittani and not in Vedic Sanskrit. They claim both Avestan and Mittani are pre-Vedic Sanskrit. Now, I don't agree with this conclusion myself, but the problem is Shrikantji is putting himself in a trap here because he accepts their methods. Now, they will ask him "Ok, then use the method to derive Avestan and Mittani from Vedic Sanskrit" I have already asked linguists and they tell me it is impossible. So Shrijant Ji is now duty bound to protect his theory from this objection.

[@surajs5913]

@@RajSingh-xn8qd as per his theory vedic sanskrit evolved over centuries and was not already in its final form during the outflow of languages. This is attested to by the fact that language is inconsistent between the rig veda and the other vedas, as well as inconsistent within the vedas. His theory is that rig veda is the oldest document closest to proto indo european.

[@RajSingh-xn8qd]

@@surajs5913 I think Mr Talageri needs to clarify as he says Mittani and Avestan are contemporary with the New books of the Rig Veda. This means the Vedic Sanskrit in the old books is older than them both. So this means Mittani and Avestan derive from old Vedic Sanskrit. If that is the case as both have the Z sound he needs to derive it using the linguistics method. My point is not oppose him or his theory which I accept(OIT) but I do not accept PIE. You should look at another OIT theorists work, Padmashri Prof Nicholas Kanzas, who is in the nicest way possible Talageriji's baap when it comes to linguistics(hes a trained linguist) He too accept OIT, but shows PIE is rubbish. It is nothing but a hypothetical, made up language and reason it sounds so distant from Vedic Sankrit is because they have constructed it in that way giving favour to more European sounds.

[@theeternal6890]

*I speak Marathi ans I guess we sometime use nasal vowels like saying Saunsar (Samsar in sanskrit).*

[@sgtalageri]

I pointed out that Marathi has no open nasal vowels but uses closed nasal vowels in tatsama Sanskrit words and in four other words only (jenvha, kenvha, tenvha, and ainshi). Tatsama words are Sanskrit words, and those having a nasal in Sanskrit before ya, ra, la, va, sha (both kinds), sa and ha are pronounced in Marathi with aun (ayn before ya) where the Sanskrit m is pronounced nasal un. This simha is also siunha.

[@baba-nam-kevalam]

If we can create animated short move.

[@chirucapoeira5191]

Is kannada word for water ‘neeru’ a aryan one or dravidian coz in greek its also ‘neero’. Is this a dravidian loan word into aryan languages?

[@chirucapoeira5191]

@DEVVRAT MISHRA the tamil word for it is *Neer*[R pronounced like zh] and i dont know about the etymology coz this whole sandhi vyakarana are all imported from sanskrit today. so you have to ask others. i was learning ancient greek and noticed it so i questioned.

[@chirucapoeira5191]

@DEVVRAT MISHRA thank you for the effort

[@chirucapoeira5191]

@DEVVRAT MISHRA oh okay. thanks for info

[@chirucapoeira5191]

@DEVVRAT MISHRA how is the word for man related to word for water?

[@chirucapoeira5191]

@DEVVRAT MISHRA is there a possibility that its falsely constructed just like the word for elephant to negate OIT?

[@Krishnajha20101]

I had a question. Why are asuras the bad guys in the Vedas but good guys in Avestan books like Ahura Mazda?

[@nopek1405]

Due to dashrajany yudh

[@RajSingh-xn8qd]

It is very ironic that what is modern day Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran were just as hostile to India back then as they are today. I have a theory just like today Pakistan etc have been Semiticized today(Islamized) that the same thing happened back then they came under the influence of Sumeria and turned against India. This is why Zoroastrianism is seen by many to be the precursor to Abrahamic religion. I think the Asuras are none other than the Sumerians.

[@sadenb]

@@RajSingh-xn8qd Your theory has no basis . A theory needs to be backed by evidences and not speculations.

[@RajSingh-xn8qd]

@@sadenb Sure, its only a speculation though not ill founded. We know that India was at war with the Iranians and we know the Iranians had very close relations with the Sumerians. We also know the Iranians identified as Asuras. So I don't think it is a huge leap to say Iranians might have come under the influence of Sumerians. Scholars also suspect a very close relation between Iranian religion and Semitic religion. I think this angle needs investigation.

[@ramabapat]

@@RajSingh-xn8qd I think that the area of Af-Pak is geographically conducive for evil that’s ultimately exported to Bharath.

[@Nonamam]

Sir, small correction, it is Thélugu, not telgu.

[@sgtalageri]

Sorry it is Telugu= तेलुगू . If you are going to spell "ते" as "the", how will you write थे and ठे in the Roman alphabet? The convention of writing "त" as "tha" and "ट" as "ta" was originally started by Tamil speakers to distinguish between "त" and "ट" in the Roman alphabet without using diacritical marks, because Tamil does not have the aspirated sounds "थ" and "ठ" and would never require to use those sounds when writing Tamil words in the Roman alphabet. But Kannada and Telugu actually (and Malayalam at least in its alphabet) has all four sounds, "त" "ट" "थ" and "ठ", so it is unfortunate that Kannada and Telugu speakers are not only blindly following this convention without thinking when it does not suit the sounds in their languages. My native place is Sagar in Shimoga district of Karnataka, and my mother's is Mangalore, and both Kannada and Tulu are dear to us. But I find it sad when people there spell my surname as Thalageri.

[@Nonamam]

@@sgtalageri I don't read dhévanagari so I can't follow what you're writing. It is most definitely not Telugu. T in English gives the hard Ta sound found in Tank, Tin, Time etc. Whereas th, త, in English gives the accurate phonetic representation of tha like Beth, thanks, Thin and so on. That's why you see in Thélugu regions, the 'th' combo whenever spelling the tha sound, saraswathi, rajaneethi, thirupathi & so on. I don't understand this issue, it's so easily explainable but Hindusthani ppl seem to have such a hard time understanding it.

[@Nonamam]

@@sgtalageri so your name is pronounced talagéri? Hard T sound like in time, Tin? Not soft tha sound in 'Beth', think etc.?

[@samsm9517]

@@Nonamam Does Telugu have the "t" sound like in "taal" from "sur aur taal"? Would be interesting to study if the language could possible lose a sound over time because of change in script amongst other things. Taal "bald spot" is a possible outcome of overthinking the difference between "taal", "thaal" and "Thaal".

[@Nonamam]

@@samsm9517 I don't know how taal is pronounced. I am Bhaarathiya, not Hindusthani. Thélugu has 2 sets of Ts, it is same as samskritham script. A hard Ta sound like found in English word Tank. And a soft tha sound like in thanks. ( of course there are also the ha versions but that's separate & not really found in English).

[@gauravguleria7190]

The proponents of the Aryan Invasion and Out of India theories are unnecessarily assertive without any clinching evidence. Academic courses and textbooks ought to reflect the uncertainty inherent in these two theories.

[@sadenb]

There is no uncertainty. One theory is weak and the other is strong. There is no uncertainty involved here. The deciphering of Indus Valley will seal the deal.

[@siddarthshah1773]

hahaha seeing ur following list it resounds what theory you want to propagate..

[@AKumar-co7oe]

mental gymnastics on full display

[@Dhruv_Dogra]

Cat complaining the grapes are sour..bloody colonial coolie!

[@RM-yf2lu]

You are wrong about the genetic evidence. Ydna evidence points directly to the out of India theory. Paternal Haplogroups p,q and r are now definitively proven to have a South Asian origin. Please consult FTDNA

[@kumkumjain9864]

language isnt just theory, it involves convrsatn, rishtas...it involves intangibles like satire sarcasm criticism...also music which maynot hv words at all...

[@madhureddy7643]

If Sanskrit is originated in India, its roots must be close to Dravidian languages like Telugu and Tamil. This guy is clueless and plain stupid.

[@Nonamam]

@@madhureddy7643 why is he stupid & clueless? Is all you can muster pathetic insults or do you have something of substance to add?

[@surajs5913]

@@madhureddy7643 9:40 counter the argument instead of namecalling the person.. Given the size of India, i dont fing it implausible that multiple languages could develop independently in India a few thousands of years ago, well before the invention of saddles...

[@anyakosta364]

Guys....lol we don't have to fight South Indian dna is visible in southern Europe before the indo European..... And then the aryan invasion just happened .....soo many more gaps to fill Lol

[@surajs5913]

@@anyakosta364 if there is a clearcut plausible theory that explains the various complexities of history, then we dont have to fight. Rudimentary theories of aryans expanding like the rays of a sun from central asia, maintaining their relative positions, and settling down all across the known world, such theories are simplistic and inconsistent. In such cases, we do need to fight, not for personal egos but truth.

[@uniqguy111]

These guys used to say Sanskrit is eternal/god's language. Now it is proven that it is just one more human language. These guys used to say Sanskrit is mother of all languages.Now proven linguistically impossible.Vedic was a sister to European languages. These guys are now saying believe in Rig vedic rivers/Geography. The stories could be adapted to local Geography because in South they adapted their stories to Godavari river and renamed the Sapta Godavari after Rishi names. Local Telugu ppl would have never thought of Vainateya, Vashishta names to Godavari river

[@unknownuser6348]

Lol 😂 relax fool.

[@SanketGajera]

Please Stop looking around here and there and messing around , it is rude for speaker and irriating for us.

[@shantanus80]

Poor guy desperately trying to convince when the mountain of archaeological genetic and linguistic evidence points to the AIT .

[@muziekhiphop3648]

Aryan invasion theory already debunked

[@blueSkyIs1]

"the mountain of archaeological genetic and linguistic evidence" has failed AIT to graduate from the status of a hypothesis for decades now... it is time to free the mind and consider a few more options.

[@jitupattnaik6140]

I don't know why we get defensive and to obsessed with inward outward theories, although I think Aryan Migration theory has more weight to it, but does it really matter? I mean everyone has migrated from one place to other at some point in history. But the fact remains that Vedas were written in India, which forms the basis of Hinduism. We don't know what aspects of the Indus Valley Civilization religion got assimilated with Early Vedic religion. We are not sure what kind of interaction took place?, certainly it has to be syncretic, because there are many aspects to modern day Hinduism that do not have roots in Vedic religion and Hinduism is quite fluidic in terms of assimilation. The debate will always be raging until we can decipher the Indus script. Certainly there is a section which weaponizes Aryan Migration theory to justify the Islamic invasion, which I believe why it has become such a bone of contention.

[@Shrike6699]

So, you are claiming a few thousands from sparsely populated cold regions of steppes where sucssefull in copulating with millions of women in sub continent. That would put mongols to shame? If so why their DNA is not dominant in the present population?

[@jitupattnaik6140]

@@Shrike6699 Who's DNA? I didn't get your query?

[@raghavarvoltore6517]

Well first of all this AIT/AMT is associated with European Colonialism, Western scholastic imperialism, marxism, Dravidianism, caste groups, and finally Indo-Europeanist. All this groups have downplayed Indian history by making use of AIT/AMT theory for their own benefit. Why we must reject it because: 1. Interferes with Indian chronology. Since RV is dated to around 1500 BCE, anything beyond that is non-IA or Dravidian or sime X culture. 2. AIT/AMT is used to model Indian history from its begining to the Buddhist period. So IVC was dravidian+Austric, then the Aryans entered from the northwest (IVC), pushed the Dravidians down south. The Aryans then migrated further east spreading IA culture. 3. Damages the unity of India by creating false Indentity of Aryans vs Drvaidians, Brahmins vs Dalits/Shudras, Fair vs Dark skinned, Sanskrit vs Tamil etc.. 4. Avoids all possible influence that India had with the Western Eurasia. Every major migration/invasion or Idea came from outside. 5. And finally... its wrong history. The IE migration is a major event in human history, if the wrong homeland is suggested then the entire conclusions drawn from it will be flawed.

[@jamjamg111]

How do u explain the white skin of north, north-west indians , their european-like looks ? So, does this lecture mean to say, the black man from africa directly came & settled here in North India, then he turned white over 1000s of yrs without roaming in the sun, then he directly started speaking (proto-)sanskrit & became an Aryan & then spread to the rest of the world ? Unbelievable lies ! Skin turns white only when a life lives in temperate,polar regions. So the north indians' ancestors lived there somewhere in,near steppe pastoral regions (yamna) long enough for their skin to turn white, then only migrated into india. I believe they didn't invade india/kill dravidians. Dravidians were the original inhabitants,builders of Indus valley civilisation(IVC).Till now there is no sign,no trace(not even 0.0000001%) of Vedas,vedic gods(Indra,Varuna,Laxmi, Sarasvathi etc....),vedic rituals(fire based),ramayana,mahabharata in IVC despite so many,decent levels of excavation. On the contrary, IVC is irreligious(not even a single,small temple was found just like in TamilNadu's Keeladi civilisation) and jallikattu (bull taming sport of Tamils) seal was discovered at IVC, proving that IVC is Dravidian. scroll.in/article/827497/is-jallikattu-hindu-or-dravidian-an-indus-valley-seal-might-have-the-answer Another proof. Do u know ? Brahui is actually a Dravidian/South Indian language (remnant of ancient proto-dravidian language of IVC) that's still being spoken by a minority in Pakistan. Ever asked a Q "How the hell did a south indian language land right in the middle of pakistan ?". With no proper proof, they are trying to discredit this Brahui as due to later, recent migration of south indians into pakistan. South Indians/dravidians abandoned IVC around 1900BCE and migrated deep into south india (most probably due to drought) shortly before Aryans or north indians walked into india with their horses, cattle around 1500BCE.

[@jamjamg111]

Plus see below other proofs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWLOn3igp91-ndE kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5KpdXiNmcqEntk Piliru in literary, ancient Tamil means elephant. Pall or Pallu means tooth in not just Tamil but in most of the south indian languages. Ivory (& it's products') exports from IVC were called as words resembling "Piliru,Pillu,Pallu etc..." in neighbouring civilisations. Pls see below another (Tamil Video) proof. This is Balakrishnan IAS officer who had uploaded his proof - "The Pot Route" in harappa.com in full support of "Dravidian IVC theory". His proof is about how the black and redware pottery of IVC and the pottery of tamilnadu are one and the same and can be manufactured by only one reverse method. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIusaoanh8iAgMU Birth of Hinduism : There were no major fights,wars between Aryans or North Indians and Dravidians or South Indians except few,minor skirmishes,fights,wars. Why ? How ? If there were major wars, then I'm sure either the north indian ancient literary works or the ancient Tamil literary works would have spoken volumes about it. Also, u need iron for wars,mass killing. The iron age too had not reached it's prime time then. So there was no major fights,wars between them. Rather friendly,mutual exchange of rudimentary religious practices,trade, exchange of writing systems,words,ideas,inventions like pots,wheels,axle etc... happened between them. They both by working together forged hinduism and other india-based religions only during the last 3500 yrs(from 1500BCE onwards) and not before that.

[@maya-cc2sx]

The accepted theory right now is ivc people dispersed in the ganga yamuna basin not south india (check wikipedia)

[@jamjamg111]

@@maya-cc2sx R u nuts ? Do u believe whatever wiki says ? Anybody can edit wiki citing some references. Wiki can only be referred for gathering some info but cannot be submitted as proof before the intelligentsia. I'm telling u that jallikattu seal was found in IVC. I'm telling u that Brahui (remnant of the proto-dravidian language of IVC), a south indian lang. is still being spoken in pakistan. I'm telling u that the north indians' 10k yrs old Ramayana or Mahabharata or say vedas find no mention, no depiction in the 5k yrs old IVC and u r still stating that IVC is aryan ! R u mental ? Just see the cleanliness, neatness, the drainage systems of IVC. Just see how dirty the UP, Bihar etc.. ppl are. Just see how neat, clean south india is. Do u still think IVC ppl dispersed in North india ? Or In south india ?

[@jamjamg111]

@@maya-cc2sx Pls have this below real, science-supported story in mind before reading further. We(all humans) all evolved from apes in Africa & moved out from there in different waves of migration.This was scientifically proved beyond doubt. Today, anybody who disputes,rejects this out-of-africa theory will be rejected by the scientific community outright. The intelligentsia won't even listen to u for 1 minute if u start by telling them that man directly evolved from apes in India. So don't ever forget the fact that africa is our true/original homeland and all our ancestors were black while they were living in Africa whether u like this fact or not. Now the big Q, the big fight is all about who came/migrated into India from africa first, last & when ? The evolution period of homo-sapiens occurred from some 2 million yrs ago to 2 lakh yrs ago in Africa. By around 2 lakh yrs ago, humans/homo-sapiens reached how we all look like today. The 1st wave of migration into india from africa was done by aadhi-dravidians(who are the SC/ST/Tribal communities,castes of India) some 1 lakh yrs ago. This India rightfully belongs to them first since they came into India first. They settled mostly in southern/coastal india & also in hilly regions & some of them only later migrated (using small boats) to indonesia, australia (who became Australian aboriginees) & to many Pacific islands some 50000 yrs to 1 lakh yrs ago (not exactly accurate time periods but tentative, approximate time periods). These migrations happened so long back that they developed their own language, culture etc... in Indonesia, in Australia etc.... that's distinct from our/India's aadhi-dravidians. But the fact is, they are closely related to our/India's aadhi-dravidians. The second wave of (proper) migration into (south)India from africa was done by dravidians from IVC(Indus Valley Civilisation) after IVC's collapse in 1900BCE due to severe drought. The third wave of migration into India was done by Aryans/North Indians few 100 yrs after the collapse of IVC. So the North Indians were the last to enter India. And that's the point.

[@jamjamg111]

@@maya-cc2sx No other proof can be more damaging, devastating to the claim of some(not all) unfair North Indian-Hindi-Sanskrit zealots that "IVC is Aryan or North Indian" than the above "Jallikattu" seal found in IVC. We all know that not even a single Pakistani village or a citizen or a single North Indian village or a North Indian played or plays the bull taming sport of Jallikattu which only South Indians esp. Tamils play. Forget all other proofs. Forget cracking IVC's script.This Jallikattu seal is more than enough to categorically state that "IVC is Dravidian". It's all written on the wall that "IVC is Dravidian" & still those Northy and brahmin(ism) zealots are pretending not to read it.

[@abhijl]

History quacks

[@anyakosta364]

So im from Ukraine....raised And you have to explain to me Why to my animals all of them When i feel super in love I call them MY FISH...... моя рыба.... This is basically best loving Word i can come too But wait.... MASYA OR matska is our slavic for cat.... And Matsya means fish lol in sanscrit? 😄😄😄

[@utubefreak7167]

Yes, Mastya means Fish 🐠 in Sanskrit

[@IdkIdk-dd9go]

I think, In sanskrit mArjAra is cat and Matsya is fish

[@mahipalcharan6690]

@@IdkIdk-dd9go Sankrit Maarjra/Marjari=Cat. Marjari in Rajsthani Mini/Minaki/Manni.

[@anyakosta364]

So why do we call cute as an emotion or lovely name FISH? Beyond my imagination Yet i use it every day specially on little animals.... 😆 I mean i use completely different world.....from sanscrit fish or slavic Cat I do say Masya....and Riba....Ribka Riba is a fish The custom of calling something cute and lovely as a fish is just Pure weird.....in it self... Lololol 😆

[@anyakosta364]

@@mahipalcharan6690 Manka with a soft N in beetween is a traditional name for a cat in Ukrainian village and of a female of An not super proper behavior Hmmm

[@AnupamSurey]

This Aryan immigration matter will never resolve because there is no hard scientific backing to solve this. The problem is this is that humanities is not a scientific issue to be solved by science. The archeology, linguistic etc are not based on scientific basis..what Mr. Talageri ji says as western scientific techniques .are arrived at by concensus. Thats why no matter how much logic Talageri ji puts in his approach or someone else logic will have to be put through this nonsensical consensus thing.

[@sadenb]

It can be solved in two days if India decides not to pay heed to these crap and start having their own journals and publications. The inability of the government to create a proper ecosystem is the reason it is alive. Other than that, there will be lunatics who will keep on believing what they believe. The whole point is how well does a theory hold to most of the people. An ecosystem of scholars being funded by government and public is the only way to go about it.

[@ZZz-kf4oy]

Is there no Hindu linguistic scholar who can assist working on this from a technical linguistic point of view ?

[@RajSingh-xn8qd]

Look no further than Nicholas Kaznas. He is a Greek Hindu, an OITist, PhD and Padma Shree. Hes taught linguistics all his life -- and he knows it is nonsense lol

[@RajSingh-xn8qd]

Another thing that you have always said in your talks, but never explained. You say it is impossible for Vedic Sanskrit to be PIE, as we cannot derive other IE languages from it. But you never explain in detail why. How long ago before Vedic Sanskrit was PIE spoken? 500 years? 1000 years? 2000 years? It has to be a very long time because how will you be able to explain how people in India changed their pronunciation so drastically from to bʰréH₂ter to Bhraatra; méH₂tēr to Maatra; kʷod to Kim; *kʷetwóres to Catvaras. The change doesn't sound right. I don't think we ever spoke like that. It sounds like what we would have called Mleccha.

[@anyakosta364]

Language doesn't take long to change Take a look at USA English Its if an Irish influence actually ....just think of it and its a huge area away....from the main native English They had only used boats to sread it Not horses its not in land how they Spreaded even

[@surajs5913]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWPOq5molLVphrM Maybe this will provide some clarity

[@RajSingh-xn8qd]

​@@anyakosta364 No language changes this fast. Mr Talageri has got his dates wrong. I will give you an example of 1000 year change from Vedic Sanskrit to Pali Prakrit: Vedic Sanskrit: ahám, vayám, átra, tátra, sárva, dīrghá Pali................. ahaṃ, mayaṃ, attha, tattha, sabba, dīgha So it is impossible for a language to change as drastically as this in just 1000 years PIE:................. éǵh₂(om), wéy, ḱi, h₂en, dl̥h₁gʰós Vedic Sanskrit: ahaṃ, vayám, átra, tátra, dīrghá As you can see PIE sounds extremely foreign to the Indian tongue. But Talageri is claiming this language was what what Indian people spoke in India just 1000 years before Vedic Sanskrit. Impossible.

[@anyakosta364]

@@RajSingh-xn8qd oh i got you.... Thank you:).....

[@souravsaha9749]

@@RajSingh-xn8qd The so called PIE is only a reconstructed language, based on various postulations by scholars already biased towards Central Asian homeland conjecture. When we are talking about PIE, we shouldn't refer to these existing conjectured words as hard established sources.

[@therandomyoutubechannel3026]

Didn't razib already put an end to this nonsense ??? @Kushal How about you do razib vs telagari .

[@adityanarayan3909]

No he didn't put an end to this. Razib Khan talked about the genetic evidence. While Shrikant Talageri had presented the linguistic explanation.

[@therandomyoutubechannel3026]

Dna duppies linguistics

[@ShubhamSharma-hm3sb]

Nonsense? Shame on you to utter this crap.

[@jaykhandwala5533]

@@therandomyoutubechannel3026 it's doesn't. Genetics relies on ancient samples which are rarely found in India as genetic material doesn't survive in India due to the climactic conditions. Hence is cannot provide a complete picture.

[@Nonamam]

@@therandomyoutubechannel3026 DNA isn't conclusively proving any such thing tho. It's been discussed, it bolsters the OIT.

[@venwonvn-o-o1261]

1: The Aryan Invasion Theory is not supported by modern scholarship; rather, it is argued that occurred a migration then [vide: "Indo-Aryan Migration: In or Out of India?" by World of Antiquity here in KZbin]. 2: Archeology and Genetics are suited for the matter of whence did the Indo-Europeans come, not Linguistics. 3: Isoglosses are poor linguistic arguments; the relation between words and geography is proper to historical speculation, not analyses of languages such as the Laryngeal Theory, which disproves earlier propositions of Sanskrit as the the mother of european languages.

[@venwonvn-o-o1261]

@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 Well, actually not; rather, it just points to the mother-tongue of Proto-Indo-European - that is: Proto-Indo-Anatolian - as being spoken somewhere near or within the Caucasus. The Steppe Theory remained unchanged, with the exception that now the anatolian branch of the linguistic family is thought to be come from the refered region rather than from the Steppe. In summary: no reasonable evidence those languages come from India.

[@venwonvn-o-o1261]

​@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 "no,its says direct descended from yamnaya were present in southern arc way before steppe admixture". Do you mean "ancestors", right? Plus: that does not contradict my comment as those populations who lived at the Sourthern Arc - speakers of Proto-Indo-Anatolian - simply migrated to the Steppe - where they would become the speakers of Proto-Indo-European - before later migrations led to a branch of Proto-Indo-European - Proto-Indo-Aryan - to India. At least this is what this one has understood in the Southern Arc Paper, whose researchers do not challenge the Steppe Model - just reshape it under the light of new evidence. Post Scriptum: Reich just mentioned that the origin of those pre-indo-european populations might have been Western Iran, as well as other regions near the Caucasus.

[@venwonvn-o-o1261]

​@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 Well, regarding Mitanni DNA this one is not informed; however, the point was that the Southern Arc Paper does not corroborate your position - which it indeed does not. Further, if you are really interested in the genetic evidence, "Indo-Aryan Migration: In or Out of India?" by World of Antiquity here in KZbin is highly recommended.

[@kumarashura6621]

​@@venwonvn-o-o1261now hagerty paper shows that indo European is way older than yamnaya. It doesn't seem like genetics is actually reliable with steppe hypothesis 😑

[@tennisonchristopher861]

Malayalam language (sanskritised version of tamil), a mixture of tamil and sanskrit was not evolved by mixing of sanskrit and tamil speaking population in the neighbourhood. But was created by arya bramins 700 years ago to divide the dravidian/tamil society as was created kannada and telugu 2000 years ago. No sanskrit speaking people were around here to claim evolving or mixture of language. It was a political one not linguistic evolution. The dravidians who were the original inhabitants of this country(harappan civilisation) were invaded and pushed to south. The creation of other languages (in india) by doping sanskrit with tamil the oldest language in the country then was a conscious political one by the invaders (read rig veda for proof of invasion by the arya bramins) but was not evolved ones by mixing of people of different languages as claimed by Talageri. In order to wipe out the native language, culture, religion etc., (as a whole-identity) the invaders like in many other parts of the world, continue to oppress with concious political motive. Literally speaking, there were no sankrit speaking population ever lived in this country to evolve so many sanskritised languages in the country by mixture. ALL WERE CREATED POLITICALLY BY OPPRESSING THE NATIVES POLITICALLY, SOCIALLY, ECONOMICALLY, EDUCATIONALLY AND BY PREVENTING FORMAL EDUCATION IN ORDER TO INFUSE THEIR NARATIVES IN THIS CAPTURED COUNTRY. IT IS EVIDENT TO THIS DAY IN THE NATIONAL EDUCATION POLICY THROUGH HINDI IMPOSITION. MOST INDIAN LANGUAGES WERE CREATED BY THE INVADERS DURING THESE 3500 YEARS DELIBERATELY AND CONSCIOUSLY. SO, THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION OF LANGUAGES BY MIXTURE IN THIS COUNTRY IS NOT CORRECT.

[@shreyansengupta2594]

Keralite has high number of R1A1 gene(not including Brahmins), where did it came from if it was Aryan Gene.🤔 Don't make a fool out of yourself. Don't politicise everything.

[@dharmrakshak6735]

@@shreyansengupta2594 His name says a lot,rice bag convert.

[@velu1671]

​@@shreyansengupta2594 Are you idiot .nambudri ,Syrian Christian ,jews,and European admixture happened, when tamil global trade and foreign migration in the past.

[@rajan36742]

​@@velu1671 r1a1 gene is very rare among semitic caucasians(Jews, Syrians). The prominent haplogroup among them is J.

[@rajan36742]

​​​@@shreyansengupta2594Exactly dada! The people of other south Indian states look completely different from the Tamils.

[@jiensuyang3915]

He talks utter nonsense. At this age he has no shame trying to fraud ppl with his bag of tricks .

[@JMichaelThames]

I'll disprove your out of india BS, in one fell swoop. Who were the first peoples on planet earth who domesticated the horse? Was it the Indian People, or was it the Yamnaya? If you say the indian people then the domesticated horse spread out of India into the modern day Ukraine 4000 years ago, how utterly laughable, or was the horse first domesticated in central Asia along with the chariot which enabled the Yamnaya to spread into europe and the middle east and into india? The horse and chariot play an important role in Indian mythology, in the Mahabharta and ramayana, not to mention Krishna was Arjuna's charioteer, if the horse and chariot is of Indian origin where is the proof? In the entire span of the Indus valley civilization there is not a single horse remains, in addition there is no horse on the Indus Valley seals, there are many animals on the seals but not one single horse. Where are all the chariots, in the Indus valley civilization? They don't exist. This disproves your out of india theory unless ofcorse you can prove India was the first civilization to domesticate the horse. Good luck! ill be waiting for your evidence, but I won't hold my breath.

[@rajan36742]

IVC horse terracotta: Mohenjodaro and Lothal Horse Remaining: Surkotada, IVC Chariot: Sinauli, IVC Horse Painting (10000BC): Bhimbetka rock shelters

[@JMichaelThames]

@@rajan36742 The Bhimbeyka horse paintings are dated from 300 BCE to 800 CE. The caves were inhabited for 10,000 years look up the different periods and styles of the paintings. Sinauli so called Chariots are solid wheel carts, they aren't spoked wheel war chariots used in battle, they were probably pulled by oxen. A few figurines of maybe horses are not evidence of wide spread horse domestication in India. The oldest undisputed horse remains are found in the Swat valley dated 1600 BCE. The horse and chariot as well as the Ashvamedha Yajna (horse sacrifice) a European King tradition are total fiction and proves the Mahabharata, Gita, and Ramayana were composed and written well after the horse arrived in India with the Aryans.

[@rajan36742]

@@JMichaelThames Lol what? Bhembetka cave painting is from 300 BCE-800 CE!!?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 The Chariot of Baghpat has a fixed ankle linked through a long pole to a small yoke. This ankle, chassis, and wheel show similarities to modern chariots. These chariots are thought to have been drawn by animals, preferably horses. Many weapons, like copper antenna swords, war shields, etc were also found at the burial sites of Sinauli. Fossils of horses have been recovered from several IVC sites. Indians have been importing and exporting things since ancient times. This is why ancient fossils of Indian Zebu bulls were found in Syria. The Rigveda (verse 1.162.18) describes the horse as having 34 ribs (17 pairs), while the Central Asian horse has 18 pairs (36) of ribs. Fossil remains of equus namadicus and Siwalik horse show that the 34-ribbed horse has been known in India going back tens of thousands of years. This makes the whole argument based on "No horse at IVC" irrelevant. Moreover, horse trading is mentioned in Atharvaveda. In the vedas,the Sapta Sindhu is mentioned as the ancestral homeland of the vedic sages and there is not a single place mentioned in the Vedic scriptures outside the Indian subcontinent. Maharishi Vedvyas, the compiler of the Vedas and the composer of the Mahabharata, is mentioned as a short stature, dark-skinned sage in the Mahabharata. If you ask archaeologists about transitions in culture in India, the evidence suggests that there is very little change in the material culture from the Harappan period to the post-Harappan period. The way people are eating, the way people are burying their dead, the way crops and grains are being grown, and so on and so forth, remain basically the same. Moreover, there is a striking difference in the cultural practices of the populations from the Central Steppe and populations in the Vedic period in India, including the most prevalent Vedic rituals of Soma and Homa, for which there is no precedent on the Steppe. But obviously, the r@cist 'WHITE SUPREMACIST' colonial indologists have their own agendas and will never agree with heath3n scholars but who cares! We're not living in the colonial era anymore.

[@Devine_wave]

​@@rajan36742firstly yamnaya themselves are people who migrated uo north from far east .

[@nomanor7987]

You present a good case but I’m still not convinced. Why is it such a bad thing if Aryans migrated into India from Central Asia?

[@adityanarayan3909]

Actually there's nothing wrong if the aryans were migrated to the subcontinent. But the question is how accurate is the argument about aryan migration to India. Because some evidence is supporting OIT.

[@kanishkgulwadi9245]

Stupid question 😂. What do u mean by good or bad?? He has proved that aryan migration never happened with evidences simple as that!!! Moreover there is genetic evidence that Harappans migrated to cetral Asia. The r1a1 was found in them.

[@sambhavraichand2601]

They never said its a bad thing .

[@anthonypk7281]

@Great Sir He knows nothing? naHthng? why so absolutist?

[@anthonypk7281]

these guys want to appear professionals adhearing standards, but they beleive in the ramayan and mahabarat myths, and the 1000 other myths. Their fear is that all those beleives will colapse, and look stupid.

[@abhinnakhale7520]

Comment delete kr dia waah😂

[@afshanshaikh2864]

I think Shri Talageri should be Padma Bhushan. Padma Shri is too low for him. Seriously.

[@sambhavraichand2601]

I am of the firm belief that aryan migration is true but still nice to hear shrikant ji...

[@jaykhandwala5533]

Fortunately matters of science are not left to belief.

[@Nonamam]

The evidence is overwhelmingly against this. So why do u believe in it?

[@AKumar-co7oe]

@@jaykhandwala5533 The vast majority of evidence is in favour of AIT, yet people like Kushal and the presenter are doing massive amounts of COPE by peddling this weak OIT theory just because of hindutva appeasement

[@bhanupratap1063]

@@AKumar-co7oe where are the evidences tell me ?

[@TheSupernovic]

@@AKumar-co7oe Why they could have used Ait to show North Indians are somehow a superior race because they are “Aryans”no. They would have got more votes.Why do they have to make the effort of uniting India and appease South Indians?

[@thepalebluedot4171]

Stop lying ! Charavakas were ancient devotees of lord shiva. Its a british fabrication that Charavakas were anti-vedic atheists. There were absolutely no atheists or disbelievers in ancient India, everyone worshipped hindu gods in one form or the other! Stop this nastika atheism lie 😡

[@krishnanramakrishnan472]

And even kushalmehra@icici Forgot about it Shame