The Complicated History Of The Confederate Flag | Time Capsule

The confederate flag is a controversial symbol. What it means has changed over time and can depend on who you are and where you come from. And to further complicate this, there wasn't just one confederate flag--there were dozens--and the flag we've come to know as the confederate flag has a history as complicated as it is contentious.
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[@FrankAndrews_DFA3]

The symbol on the flag that you repeatedly refer to as "the Southern cross" is, in fact, St. Andrew's cross. St. Andrew's cross derives from church tradition which states that St. Andrew was martyred on an x-shaped cross. St. Andrew became the patron saint of Scotland, and, hence, St. Andrew's cross was incorporated into the flag of Scotland, known as the Soltaire. (BTW, the Soltaire is the oldest national flag in use today.) Because so many Southerner's had Scots and Ulster Scots in their heritage, St. Andrew's cross was incorporated into many Confederate flags. You should also note that the Southern Cross is a constellation of stars seen in the night sky below the equator.

[@viciouslady1340]

Im also surprised this important piece was not mentioned

[@stephengallagher2209]

It's called the saltire, not the soltaire. And the Danish flag is considered the oldest national flag still in use. Also note, while a nation can exist within a state, a nation that takes a plebiscite and votes against offered autonomy is no longer a nation by definition. Scotland is no longer a nation.

[@FrankAndrews_DFA3]

​@@stephengallagher2209 Scotland became a nation in the 9th century and remained an independent nation until its parliament voted along with the English to approve the Acts of Union in 1707. Considering the referenda that have been held for Scottish independence, I wouldn't be so quick to write off independent Scotland.

[@FrankAndrews_DFA3]

@@stephengallagher2209 The flag of Denmark was designed in 1625. First hoisted in 1512, Scotland's flag is thought to be the oldest in Europe.

[@nghtwtchmn129]

While we are on the subject of Scottish heritage, the "Crann Tara" or fiery cross once had a different meaning. Highlanders used it as rallying point in times of war.

[@zioscozio]

Thank you, as a non-American the whole story was somewhat confusing.

[@imperialcrusader2647]

Basically people are getting triggered over a stupid battle flag. The Confederacy was a bunch of U.S states that broke away from the Union and formed their own country. The reason so was for multiple reasons heritage is one plus more.

[@camhester4251]

you have been misinformed kind sir

[@camhester4251]

not fair and balanced at all ,

[@camhester4251]

taxation without representation , overwhelming taxation , silencing of a free and independent statehood , not slavary as Lincoln himself owned many slaves ,

[@deankruger2612]

@Elmur fud. my great grandfather had fought for the north. he was a pow. in Andersonville. I spent most of live thinking that the war was about slavery. the last two years or so I have been looking into his life and the war. the things that I found out just blow my mind. like the large numbers of blacks that fought for the confederate army. or that Texas and Florida were independent states free of slaves and joined the confederate States.or that the north had slave States. or that north had a segregated army but the south didn't. I could go on and on. I am a new Yorker with a new understanding of the truth and I would like to say that I am sorry for what we did to your country. so you fly your flag. with pride and honor. and give it the respect it deserves.

[@suburbanboi2404]

This is the best video on the Flag I have ever seen. You guys looked at both sides and didn’t demonize either one while still giving fair arguments from both perspectives.

[@jasminepage1031]

confederates should be demonized.

[@Ben00000]

God forbid we demonize racists

[@FoxofMaysville]

I am a Civil War reenactor. More than once I have gone to an event where the confederate battle banner had to be taken down because people were complaining about the use on the field. How are you going to have a civil war reenactment with out confederate flags an d banners?

[@screenplaya4562]

+Russell Dickson Why do you re-enact Civil War battles? Is it about honoring the dead? The winners? The losers? The North? The South? What is the point of it? I am not being a jerk, I honestly am asking.

[@neeneko]

+Russell Dickson This is a legitimately tricky issue. While less common, the same question comes up with Nazi imagery. Either for acting or games people sometimes want to use these symbols since to them the symbols are harmless enough to be used that way. Others however still see them in an active light, inappropriate for recreational activities. Civil war reenactment is in a rather unique position since there is disagreement on how removed the conflict is. Some people see it as safely in the past and thus can be looked at the same way we do the revolutionary war or SCA reenactments. Others see it as an ongoing conflict that is still playing out today. A similar example I saw not too long ago was when a private company decided they wanted to have a 'plantation' themed party, with everyone showing up in historical garb, all those ladies and gentlemen in fine landowner costumes. For them it was all fun and games, a nod to aristocratic wealth in their history. Until their single black employee showed up in clothing that would have been appropriate to him in the same era. Harmlessly abstract fun for them, not so much for him.

[@FoxofMaysville]

When my Union family went west to murder Native Americans, was the Union right then? I live in Mason County, KY. Home of the house divided. Union General William 'Bull' Nelson and Confederate General Albert Sidney Johnston both grew up in the same house. Harriet Beecher Stowe wrote 'Uncle Tom's Cabin' just down the street from that house. I had grand farther's in the 10th OVI USA and the 2nd Ky Cav. CAS. Who is the better?

[@FoxofMaysville]

neeneko A party where people came dress like northern sweat shop owners would have been much better. One person could have come as an Irish immigration, or as child labor. Both side had problem, but calling one bad and the other good is a wast of time. I have friends who does German SS of world war two. Just so we don 't forget.

[@John77Doe]

+Russell Dickson What does "I have friends how does German SS of World War 2" even mean? Can you speak English or are you using Google Translate?

[@L00PdeL00P]

This topic has always confused me to the point I just gave up. So much conflicting info. I appreciate the history being told by more informed individuals.

[@casandrawilliams373]

😄😄LOC.gov that library of Congress website, just look at the articles of secession yourself, see it right from the racist horse's hand...and if u really wanna learn something bout ur country, type in the 'N'-word in the search bar 😐

[@blllllllllllllllllllrlrlrl7059]

@@casandrawilliams373 not all states seceded because of slavery. Tennessee is an example.

[@kninezbanks]

​@@blllllllllllllllllllrlrlrl7059 Nope, Every southern state left because of slavery as the main issue, if you don't see it, it's because you aren't looking enough.......Governor Isham G. Harris convened an emergency session of the Tennessee General Assembly in January 1861. During his speech before the legislative body on January 7, he described the secession of the Southern states as a crisis caused by "long continued agitation of the slavery question"......Keep reaching.

[@calvinthestormfreak]

He gave no detail why people up north use it and why it became popular in culture outside the south.

[@howierichard5238]

@@calvinthestormfreak exactly. Now think about that. Why would someone from the north that has never been to the south be flying that flag?? I've asked the same question many of times. Only answer I've heard is my family fought in the war LMMFAO... that's when you know they have no logical explanation. But they will never tell you the real reason.

[@kiarakonde9238]

Im sorry but saying this flag is not related to racism is ludicrous, the southern states wanted the US to stay segregated, they created the flag to distinguish themselves from the states that wanted unity. So how can the flag not symbolize racism? It is not about the flag itself but the history behind it.

[@Rydonattelo]

It's a battle flag. It's not the political flag of the confederation. Some Irish people hate my UK flag. I'll be in the ground before someone took my flag.

[@williamcfox]

Was that "confused battle" image from the battle at bull run? I just did a bunch of research on that battle, really interesting moment at the start of the war.

[@thelonewonderer6481]

yep the south could have immediately after bull run stormed D.C. and had a good chance at winning but out of respect general lee said we will not fight a war like that and declined the 8 mile advance into the oval office

[@memerant.tumblr2657]

Bull Run, must be a yank. Battle of Manassas.

[@thelonewonderer6481]

@@memerant.tumblr2657 said it simply for clarification just like i say the war of northern aggresion but its faster and easier to type civil war

[@Cuffsmaster]

The first battle of Bull Run confusion was on many levels not just the flag. Uniforms also caused confusion. But the biggest reason was inexperience of those in the battle as it was early in the war.

[@themasterofworlds689]

I should have done it

[@Shawnsanchez77]

GA born and raised. Navy Veteran. That flag should have stayed rolled up and putaway like originally intended. Never forget our history, but it is not the American flag and shouldn't be reveled as such.

[@701garage]

Was it not part of the American Civil War? Part of the history of America. Also a Navy vet. Its a flag who cares if people fly it. People fly national german working party flags because they don't know history.

[@701garage]

@Zachary Hare dont care if you burn flags or anything as long as your not break the law go for it. I even agree with civil disobedience to get the point across.

[@Romonedu]

It ain’t comin down

[@jacobhowell406]

AGREED

[@TonkaJay]

More atrocities happened under America's flag than the "confederate" flag.

[@jamesaugust9541]

The history of the Confederate flag is indeed complicated. There are always many sides to every history, and in this context we could point out the utterance by Winston Churchill "History is written by the victors." Slavery, racism, and hate are detestable wherever they exist. They have no place in a civilized nation. But the tendency to silence opposing views or narratives only gives credence to the extremists. Rather than instantly trying to silence those who embrace the Confederate flag, let us try to understand their motives. We see in history text books taught in US schools an emphasis that the Civil War was fought for the emancipation of the slaves, while the South fought to preserve slavery. I'm from NY State, and I can say that for the most part we considered Southern secession a mistaken error. A miscalculation. A never should have happened sort of thing. Then in my own interest in history, I was surprised to read in every Lincoln biography I came across ("Team of Rivals" DKG, "Abraham Lincoln" C Sandberg, and Mr. Lincoln by Allen Guelzo) that the war had less to do with slavery than we might have been lead to believe. For a man who spoke plainly, it was plain to see that Lincoln led the Union government into the Civil War not in order to free the slaves, but strictly to preserve the Union. Lincoln's quotes on the subject were unequivocal. He said he would not free one slave if it meant that freeing slaves lost the Union, and that his only intention in issuing the Emancipation Proclamation (several years into the conflict) was to preserve the Union- that freeing the slave was simply a smart military policy. The black man was contraband- not an equal human. (A lot more could be said about the fine dance Lincoln had to do to keep the border states in the Union along with appeasing Northern Democrats while at the same time not alienating Norther radicals...aka abolitionists.) I have a great appreciation for Lincoln as a humble, intelligent, and capable man, but I do want to point out that history tends to emphasize one point of view over another. I.e. that Lincoln freed the slaves (did you know he didn't free the slaves in Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware or Missouri). We also tend to think that all Southerners were pro-slavery, while Northerners were anti-racist. But it is less known that Lincoln and Seward wanted to deport blacks to Africa or South America- openly describing blacks as an inferior race. While the South in contrast had many abolitionist societies before the war and many in the South believed that the peculiar institution (slavery) would eventually disappear of its own accord as it had in the North and all other Western Christian societies. (Which one can only speculate if emancipation would or wouldn't have occurred naturally). General Robert E. Lee- the most famous general of the Confederacy- freed the slaves that he inherited from his father-in-law during the conflict and before the Emancipation Proclamation. He also urged the Confederate government to enlist black men and give them freedom. At the out break of the war he decided to fight for his home state of Virginia because he believed wholeheartedly that each state was a separate sovereign nation and that participation in a Federal Union of States had to be voluntary... not mandatory and held at gunpoint. (There is evidence that Thomas Jefferson and many other "Enlightened" founding fathers would have agreed with this). I believe that General Lee would have considered it regrettable that the Confederate States held onto slavery as a sovereign right. What's more regrettable from a historical humanitarian perspective is the fact that the Civil War brought about a reactionary racist formation in the South. The populace felt akin to being conquered by a foreign power, with their cultural institutions under threat. If Northern reconstruction destroyed the pride of the Southerners (as though they were being governed by a foreign power - the Northern States) then this led to a terrible reactionary formation, generating hate groups like the KKK. For this reason, the Confederate flag must be dealt with cautiously. After all, could you imagine being a lone black man passing by a group of white men brandishing the Confederate flag? But at the same time, it is also helpful to invite open dialogue rather than shaming a person we disagree with. Some people see in the Confederate flag a symbol of cultural heritage that values conservative traditions in the line of an Edmund Burke (the South having been a conservative Christian society). Others, simply see a symbol of nationalism. Perhaps this discussion is so complicated because it is charged with such long standing crimes against humanity. And at the same time the victors tried to rewrite the history of the Civil War emphasizing the emancipation of slaves and the North's moral superiority. How do we then begin with a new dialogue, rather than fall victim to the poison of hate?

[@Ben00000]

That would make more sense if the Confederate flag saw usage outside of the Confederacy. As it stands, it represents a group of secessionists who left the Union to preserve slavery and fired the first shot. Alexander Stephens, Cornerstone Speech: _"The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."_ Lincoln need not have sought to emancipate the slaves for the Confederates to have seceded to keep them; countries can go to war for several reasons. Robert E. Lee was vicious to his slaves when he owned them and, regardless of what words he might have spoken on the matter, led the army that fought to keep them subjugated. To some people, that flag represents the worst of centuries of oppression and violence to an entire race. To others, it means... heritage? Why do we need to ask the former people to honor the views of the latter? Why isn't it the other way around? The weakest defense of the Confederate flag is that it is protected under "freedom of speech". Sure, you shouldn't go to jail for flying it--but if that's the _best_ thing you can say about it, it represents something terrible that should be derided and ridiculed.

[@ioanbugheanu6836]

@@Ben00000 Robert E. Lee led the confederate forces out of loyalty to his home state of Virginia, he would have fought for the union had it not joined the confederacy. The average southerner who fought under the confederate banner didn't do so to uphold an institution that didn't benefit them in any way, they did it out of a perceived loyalty to their homeland (Dixie) in a war against so called 'northern aggression'. One should not be guilted out of commemorating their heritage because others perceive the same heritage to mean something it arguably does not. By that logic, Asian religions should cease continuation of the swastika as a symbol of Hinduism and Buddhism because westerners are reminded of Nazism.

[@Ben00000]

@@ioanbugheanu6836 Robert E. Lee led the army that fought to preserve slavery. He was a vicious slave owner. Maybe he would have fought for the Union under different circumstances--but he didn't. He was a racist during a turning point in our history where plenty of people saw that racism was evil. You're right that the average southerner didn't own slaves, but you're wrong in that slavery didn't benefit them. Besides indirectly helping by propping up their economy, slavery was a major social, political, and cultural institution. Again from the Cornerstone Speech: _"The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the 'storm came and the wind blew.' Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."_ This is also echoed in the articles of secession, as seen in Texas's: _"In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon the unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of the equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of the Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and the negro races"_ So slavery was more than just a way some plantation owners made money, it was baked into southern society that there was a permanent "underclass" which prevented even the poorest whites from hitting the bottom. Furthermore, the threat of a slave rebellion was ever-looming, and keeping the African slaves down was a means of delaying or preventing it. While it's impossible to know what was going through the head of every Confederate soldier, it's entirely inaccurate to say that they had no stake whatsoever in preserving slavery. Lastly, your comparison of mandalas to swastikas is not apt. The Confederate flag was never stolen or co-opted from a peaceful symbol. Its meaning wasn't ever in question by its creators or its bearers. A more accurate comparison would be how the swastika, like the Confederate flag, was a symbol created from hateful racists and which cannot be divorced from its origins; nobody gets to bear a swastika and claim they're celebrating German schnitzels. The south has plenty to be prideful of that _isn't_ mass enslavement of black people.

[@ioanbugheanu6836]

@@Ben00000 Robert E. Lee didn't side in the war over his views on race or slavery, he fought fundamentally out of loyalty to his home state. The fact that you can so willingly and dismissively conflate the two as though this important distinction is irrelevant despite it being the basis of your judgement of his character regarding his actions in the civil war shows that you lack the willingness for critical assessment of this history. Racism was also widespread at the time even among abolitionists, the civil rights movement only happened much later in the 1960s. The discussion here and the civil war itself was about the institution of slavery, not views on race. The average southerner fought, as I stated, primarily out of a perceived loyalty to their homeland in opposition to so called 'northern aggression'. I would say cultural elements like music would be a better insight into the minds of the everyday soldier. The song "Dixie's Land" demonstrates a love for the southern homeland and makes no mention of race or slavery. This is also what the confederate flag has come to represent to the average southerner today: a representation of the south (Dixie's land), and the Dixie spirit. It's as devoid of race to the average southerner as a symbol as much as the United States flag is. That's why it was so widespread across particularly southern pop culture and this is why you see it waved by black and white southerners alike. Finally, your comparison of mandalas is quite poor. The Nazi swastika was invented to quite literally represent the supremacy of the Aryan race. It has permanently scarred the mandala to any western viewer, but not to individuals who have genuine heritage ties to the symbol. The confederate flag was invented simply to represent the south as Independent and as such came to be the symbol of the 'land of Dixie' as culturally seperate and unique to the rest of the United States after political secession failed. To add to this, the popular confederate flag isn't even the emblem of the attempted political secession that was driven fundamentally by slavery rights, but a battle flag, which commemorates the sacrifices of dead southerners, their bravery in battle, rebellion against (supposed) tyranny, and nothing else.

[@Ben00000]

​@@ioanbugheanu6836 These are distinctions without differences. Sure, Lee fought for loyalty of his home state--but he held loyalty to his state in higher regard than the liberty of millions of black slaves. Many abolitionists were racist, but many people weren't abolitionists at all. Perhaps some soldiers fought to defend their land from northern soldiers, but that wasn't what you argued--you argued that they wouldn't have benefited from slavery, which I pointed out was untrue. Perhaps they loved their "Dixie Land", but they put that love, like Lee, over the plight of the millions of backs it stood upon. The swastika took an existing symbol and twisted it, but you can plausibly use the old symbol and retain its original meaning; the Confederate flag has only ever stood for the Confederacy, which seceded to protect slavery. The modern Confederate flag is not the original flag of the whole CSA, true, but it's still a flag of the Confederacy, which seceded to protect slavery. And you are correct to put "supposed" tyranny in parentheses. The southern states were perfectly happy to exert federal power over northern states until Lincoln's election when suddenly they were all for "states' rights"... not to mention the _actual_ tyranny of owning 4 million humans as property.

[@tan89284]

This was so educational and easy to follow. I learned more about America in a short video than I’ve ever had reading a news article with a narrative.

[@mrpants345]

+The Good Stuff I'm actually really impressed at the level of discourse in the comments. Nobody is calling each other names or attacking each other personally. Thanks for making a video that inspires respectful discussion about an extremely tense issue

[@traceykays433]

If I could like ur post more than once I would just keep pushing the thumbs up button. I feel all this big stink about the flag is a plot to divide us once again as America people and take more rights away from all people no matter what color we are.

[@treyerickson7459]

@@traceykays433 do you see nazi flags on Germany? Nope. End of story. Confederates and nazis are no different and shockingly to all of us I'm sure is that you always see white supremacists carry both. Why do you think that is exactly?

[@claytonrealist8868]

@@treyerickson7459 And they are all democrats.

[@treyerickson7459]

@@claytonrealist8868 found the idiot

[@treyerickson7459]

@@claytonrealist8868 how do you say you don't know anything about American history and politics without saying it? You just did. I urge you to get a library card and use it you pathetic slob

[@sethmoschak6324]

Honestly as a teen who has the flag on almost everything I own this was the best video on different opinions and how the flag changed over time I was raised in the south an was taught it ment family Heritage and just being a good Ole rebel an the conversations with many people on this topic some good an some bad but we all came to an understanding an respected each other's opinion

[@NikiHerl]

That was way more interesting than the history of a flag has any right to be ^^

[@TheGoodStuff]

+Niki Herl Ha! Thanks!

[@camhester4251]

only if you prefer half truths and lies

[@ScottLedridge]

+Elmur Fud Please do enlighten us.

[@shmuel2361]

SHALOM The Southern Flag has a [ X ] on it , because the [ X ] is the Ancient Hebrew Letter TAW / TAV [ picture = two crossed sticks ] which means [ Sign, Signal , Monument , Mark ] = SOUTHERN FLAG=SIGN OF THE TRUE WHITE ISRAELITES / CHILDREN OF YHWH GOD.

[@KC-sm7gm]

sorry bro, came from the Scottish Flag

[@gina4525]

I don't care what anybody says I will always love that Confederate flag people are always going to talk s*** about it I don't think it's a bad flag at all

[@georgejuniorleedom4476]

Racist? Or just opposed to " mixing?" Pro Trump, I'm guessing.🤔

[@willfithian6065]

Yes, the Confederate flag can be removed from racism, I fly it as a symbol of Southern Heritage

[@Kitty-01447]

So what's your heritage?

[@lordofgingers]

@@Kitty-01447culture, traditions, the fact they have that southern twang when they talk vs a northerner like me who has a Brooklyn accent. All the stuff you traditionally associate with the south. For some of the people there, this flag embodies all that. And then you got groups like the KKK that ruin it for the rest of them. The point is that the flag means something different to different people (in the same vein that, say, the ulster banner, the Irish tricolor, and the Union Jack mean different things to different people in Northern Ireland). Others may identify with the US flag only and don’t see themselves as distinct from the north. Flags are symbols to people.They evolve and change over time. You could argue “well then make a new flag” but for them they’d essentially be abandoning the heritage of what they identified with since they were young. Try telling the LGBT community to abandon the rainbow flag and make a new one. It won’t go over well. However in this same comment, I can concede and acknowledge that for the African American population in particular, it’s hard to accept that their white counterparts may not view the flag as a symbol of the thing that they see it as a symbol of. That will always be a point of contention as both sides are very sincere in their perception of what it means. (Vs the third group of legit far right groups that validate what black people are concerned with)

[@Kitty-01447]

@@lordofgingers isn't it the same as a German waving a nazi flag and claim its their history/ heritage

[@johnnyappleseed3813]

Heritage not hate

[@dingerdome6962]

When you ignore the past, You forget the lessons learned.

[@TheSavedOne21]

The Confederate flag is a flag that represent losers, and what do losers do? "THEY LOSE"!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

[@mirandamartin3280]

It’s not ignoring the past, read a book, go to a museum. Acknowledge where we have been and where we are going. We are not pro segregation, we are about equality and equal opportunity. Unfortunately this flag does not represent that therefore it’s disrespectful to the lives lost under it as well as the African Americans/Natives who have died under the confederacy and enslaved. It’s a symbol of being ok with racism and segregation. Let’s acknowledge it, educated ourselves and not glorify it. That’s all

[@Jal3nJ0HN50N]

@@mirandamartin3280 tf u mean not pro segregation? Youu needs do research tf

[@mirandamartin3280]

Julien Johnson that flag was used during the segregation era when people were upset that blacks were going to start going to school with whites. You needS to do research. With that being said America today isn’t about segregation obviously.. so the confederate flag is racist and promoters division and non inclusiveness. I’ve confused on what you’re not understanding. Maybe you need to read a book or gain some comprehension skills.

[@mirandamartin3280]

Promotes*

[@robertcastello2961]

Disagree with your analysis. Ninety five percent of white southerners didn't own slaves and were fighting for southern independence not slavery. Current complaints about the flag are mostly an attempt to extract unwarranted money and benefits from society for a bogus issue. Robert Castello Dixie General Store Heflin Alabama

[@raymondlugo9960]

Why did the South want to secede?

[@tsb7911]

They weren't fighting for independence; they were fighting because they got drafted. same with the North. Let's not over romanticize this.

[@pcbacklash_3261]

Well done, The Good Stuff! Sadly, it's all too rare to find someone who examines this issue without trying to whitewash the heritage of this divisive symbol. Love the factual, objective approach! :-D

[@devildog1534]

As a black person I don’t see a problem with the flag. I actually think it looks pretty cool. I think people should be able to fly whatever flag they want for whatever reason. A flag is like words, they don’t hurt.

[@b.m.3807]

🤡

[@Exxperiment626]

😂

[@b.m.3807]

@@Exxperiment626 am I telling a lie? 😆

[@mrgroovy5113]

Bruh... words can hurt 😂. I agree with the African American Historian that it should be in an museum.

[@vincenthampton8495]

You are not black!!

[@gemmabee5467]

in my opinion, the confederate flag should have never left the museums. the flag has been used as a symbol of hate for ages, the bad outweighs the good. from being used by white southerners to protest civil rights to literally being used by the KKK to condone white supremacy, i see no point in trying to change its meaning to fit your own narrative when there was so much hate caused by it.

[@LoneWolf-countryrapper]

I don't believe the confederate flag will be able to get away from being called racist, but I do believe it is heritage. I don't need someone's approval to honor my ancestors.

[@gregorywillis8400]

Honor your relatives for being treason and insurrectionist against the very nation as we know it? Is that noble and proud? That means you support what they was fighting for.

[@LoneWolf-countryrapper]

@@gregorywillis8400 whether you like it or not, those were American veterans and American fallen.

[@LoneWolf-countryrapper]

@@gregorywillis8400 and they weren't fighting for slavery. Just above 1% of southerners owned slaves.

[@gregorywillis8400]

@@LoneWolf-countryrapper What they were fighting for Lone Wolf?

[@LoneWolf-countryrapper]

@@gregorywillis8400 they were fighting for freedom. A lot of people don't know this, but under Lincoln, the south was paying just under 80% of taxes and tarrifs in the country.

[@karencarroll4896]

I will proudly fly my American flag And My Confederate flag 🇺🇸💪

[@TrafficPartyHatTest]

I am getting a lot of mixed messages here but I'm not going to stop you

[@DJVICTOR-es7gs]

@@TrafficPartyHatTest he’s a happy southern man, let him be

[@vincenthampton8495]

You said it right “American Flag”. The other one is a racist flag!! Fly your state flag. Instead!! Be American

[@denisewarren4804]

Thank you! As a teacher, history buff and Southern, I have tried to convey the same information. I also point out that ANYTHING can be used as a vehicle of hate, ie, the Bible and the KKK. Note: Have you examined the history of the KKK and the timeframe/conditions of slavery in the northern states? Enjoyed!

[@rebelgaming7718]

And see that's where people don't believe anything that the north owned slaves I fly both flags with honor of my families heritage yes being racial to someone of black or Hispanic culture is wrong yes that is correct I don't judge people by they're skin color I just people on how they judge me I have had plenty of civil conversation's with people of black and Hispanic cultures over a cup or 2 of coffee about both the flags the American flag and confederate battle flag and we just sit down and have a good ol cup of coffee and have a few laughs and talk about how messed up when slavery was happening on both sides of the war and people don't realize is that the south didn't send ships to get slaves they bought them that's one thing the slave ships was Union slave ships

[@zaindershabazz5583]

As a brown American this is my 7th time watching this clip🇮🇱🇩🇴🇯🇲🇪🇭🇺🇲

[@robsemail]

@@rebelgaming7718 you never learned how to punctuate? What is your native language?

[@stevehalling816]

@@rebelgaming7718 one thing people always seem to forget or not know is the KKK used the American flag at rallies also but this seems to be forgotten and not believed but there are photographs of rallies where the us national flag is being used! Now no one is calling that a symbol of hate are they

[@TannerCockeram]

@@stevehalling816 Or how the KKK has used the Church flag in some instances, but so should a flag representing Church be seen as racist because the KKK used once or twice? I don't think so. So the same with the Confederate Flag, and ask any Southerner what the Confederate Flag means to them, they'll probably say 'Southernern pride/heritage' Etc... But my point is meanings to flags can change. The flag dosn't have to mean something racist, it can literally just stand for southeren pride, for all southereners, for all people, regardless of color.

[@JC-tv5zx]

I am Swiss! One of my a ancestors fought in the 24th Virginia Volunteers Infantry Regiment, and as far as we know, he died at Fredericksburg or Sharpsburg (Antietam)! He never owned slaves; he just had bought a little Farm in Virginia when the war broke out! He was just a poor immigrant fighting in a war that wasnt even his...so the Confederate Battle Flag and especially the one of Virginia means a lot for me..Switzerland is a Confederacy btw..

[@spicysnowman8886]

That's really interesting that is the main reason that the flag has meaning to me as well

[@BigSoulja69]

And that it still fought for slavery never forget that it doesn’t matter that the flag doesn’t represent that it’s part of that flags history

[@IncredibleStan]

I'll be honest with you. I don't care if your ancestors were immigrants. They fought for traitors who wanted to continue the institution of slavery. The confederate flag is a symbol of hate.

[@aidanlutz8106]

@@IncredibleStan Oh noes, a person fought for their country! Hate symbol!

[@aidanlutz8106]

@J C really interesting story.

[@SouthernRebel2024]

The Confederate battle flag is called the "Rebel" flag for a fact

[@jasonrhames6182]

Why not have videos about the BLM flag? It is pretty much the most racist flag that exists.

[@matthewbright1939]

please explain how it is racist it merely has the words black lives matter

[@DarkSygil666]

I knew this about the flag, but it was wonderful to see such a well made and thought out video. Excellent explanations from both gentlemen being interviewed. Thank you.

[@jayg1438]

I keep thinking 'fun with flags' by Sheldon

[@gabrielagustinhomas]

In the 90’s, the Confederate Battle flag in Germany was the symbol of rockabilly.

[@michaellyon8337]

KEEP IT FLYING!!! YEE YEE

[@shawnn5213]

The man that said the Confederate Flag should only be in a museum is flat out wrong.

[@yourtypicalrebel4354]

The confederate flag should still fly, there’s good people who know what it means and what it truly stands for and fly, even during World War II Hitler had the confederate flag band from Nazi Germany, the flag is not band in Florida as far as I know, I am wanting to move to the south so that might be a key location, if not thank God one of the Ohioan governors refused to ban it, thats why i love my state

[@mintz9782]

There's a few good states, such as South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennesse, etc. I consider them to be the best in the South.

[@sylentlight6771]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO!!! My biggest issue all along has been peoples lack of knowledge of the actual history of it so this video is a blessing to me, lol. Again, THANKS!

[@nunya7003]

The flag is still racist but okay💀

[@carlosmurcia3523]

There is nothing wrong with history or any battle flag,the problem is when you use history for hate. Give this battle flags the respect they deserve and dont confuse history with hate.

[@A_Birds_Nest24]

As a proud supporter of the rebel flag, I can say I bring no hate. 99% of us are truly just proud to support where we grew up

[@TrafficPartyHatTest]

So do you support the confederacy or just their flag?

[@devildog1534]

As a black person I think the flag looks pretty cool. I think people should fly whatever flag they want for whatever reason they want. Flags are like words, they don’t hurt. This is why I don’t have a problem with it.

[@TrafficPartyHatTest]

@@devildog1534 Yeah the flag does look cool

[@autumntaco8722]

@@TrafficPartyHatTest IMO, CSA was led by a bunch of rich shits that got poor southerners killed because of their elite interests. I support the dead who had no slaves but fought to protect the land, for that reason I support the battle flag that went home with them, but I don't support the CSA nor the stars and bars.

[@vincenthampton8495]

That’s all BS!!! The American flag is where we grew up!! As a 26 year American vet… nothing is more beautiful than our American flag!!

[@TashaLaRae]

Thank you for creating this. This is extremely insightful, informative and objective.

[@lilj4818]

I come from a very small, southern town. We have a total of one black family, a few Hispanics, and a handful of Egyptians. There are lots of things wrong with our home, but we aren't a wholeheartedly bad place. Our Muslims and copious amount of drug dealers and achololics get more shit flung at them than our black neighbors. Our town, named Union, funnily enough, is a Confederate town. We have a statue dedicated to Robert E. Lee, in the center of what used to be the battleground of the Civil War. I know lots of people that wave the rebel flag, hang it on their walls, or have blankets of it, but I don't know a single person younger than thirty that is racist. That's not to say hate doesn't exist, because it does, and is a terrible thing, but to say that just because something offends you it is wrong, doesn't make your opinion right. Poodles offend me, but I'm not sending off a petition to destroy the breed. My best friend growing up was mixed, and my favorite cousin is too. The Egyptians are my boss and coworkers. I don't care if your a purple transgendered otherkin rhinoceros, and the Rebel Flag doesn't remind me of hate. I look at the stars and bars and think of all the things that really define the south. Its rolling farms and herds of cows, the Kentucky Derby and NASCAR, NASA and Disney World, lemonade stands and catching fireflies. Trucks, beer, and skinning dipping. Playing in the creek, hunting, hikes through the Kaleidescope of the woods in fall. Campfires and stars. The real things that you can't get sitting in your plush office, or living in your overpriced, cramped apartment. Its about family and history, pride and arrogance, of belonging and somehow still being different. Why everyone tries to pull out the negative side, I don't understand. Nothing is perfect, black or white. The flag certainly has a dark past, but it can be more than that too. When I see a rainbow, or rainbow colored anything, I think 'rainbow' long before I think gaypride. The two don't have to be one and the same, why should it be that way with our flag? I do agree that it shouldn't be something flaunted on public property, but neither should 'In God We Trust' be plastered anywhere, nor should a child be forced to say 'One Nation, Under God'. Its an ideological issue. In the same sense, the Nazi flag doesn't make me think of the Holocaust, but maybe that's just me. In either case both flags are prettier than the US flag. The Union Jack is gorgeous though. XD

[@petegbattle795]

The world would be better if people like you come to exist every day. Bless ya.

[@vincenthampton8495]

Be American .. wave the American Flag!!!

[@apacheattackhelicopter8410]

The official political flag was known as the stars and bars, but the battle flag was known as the Dixie cross

[@middleclassseabass7178]

Good job explaining this with an unbiased view, I really expected more liberal bias saying everyone who flies the flag is racist. Most of the time people don't even mention it representing rebellion. It's obviously a very controversial flag, but it's important to be objective and informative, good job.

[@tpgeraghty]

They missed the fact that this flag is based on the Scottish cross of St Andrew seen in the Scottish national flag in white on Blue background. The motif also appears on the national; flag of Jamaica West Indies, with a different color scheme. So, why might that have come about? The USA (as with other former British colonies in the new world) were largely populated by "Scots Irish" - These people migrated from Northern Ireland. Scottish in ancestry, Presbyterian protestant in their faith, devoted to, and successful in their entrepreneurial activities. Their influence on the development of the USA in the early 19th century, cannot be overstated.

[@cardinalhinds7742]

Thank you for this, you have definitely cleared things up.

[@PoisonPinball]

This was a wonderfully un-biased video!

[@ethanjohnson7736]

That was a very well done video, like how you gave both sides of story without saying "oh is such a racist thing!" Good job I personally am I favor of the flag because to me it means the heritage of my family and also like how it just represents the people who actually fought and not the government standings of the cofedricy (witch every knows what it was) and way over half didn't own slaves. If I could take the flag from the KKK I would in a heartbeat.... I would have a problem if it where the national flag that was up there but the battle flag I don't especially because it is right by the confedete SOLDER memorial. Thank you.

[@RebelRadio97]

The thing is north is the reason the Confederate flag became racist but y'all miss is the south was never racist it was the Yankees and they are the reason that they've made the KKK and came over to the South and made it seem that the Confederate flag is racist in which it's not. Red stands for the blood of Christ the white stands for the bondage to God and the X stands for Saint Andrews as the stars represent the Southern States. As I know in my heart the rebel flag stands for rebellion prideful from being from the south and also unity that's how I feel bout it and I don't care who calls me a racist because those people are very close minded and to be honest the South May had slaves but they have given up their slaves before the war was even thought of even though there was actually black Confederate veterans and no they was never forced into going to war because Robert e Lee stayed out and I quote I wish I owned all slaves in the South because no man nor woman or child that are black has never seen the light of war. I've done my research of the Confederate flag and the rebel flag I know what it stands for me and I know what it stands for others that's in the south. And apparently a lot of these people right now are very wrong the Confederate flag was never forced slavery it was more rebellion and also it also stood for religion as I said before the blood of Christ is the red that is on the rebel flag and like I said as well that they North has made the KKK went on over to the South and rised up the Confederate flag

[@OvarosX]

It belongs in a museum with all context included including those have have used it in hate Germany got rid of it flag for being a symbol of hate and did not make lame history excuses, you can see that flag in a museum in Germany probably describing it as a dark time in history because that where history belongs.

[@amcghie7]

I think the Confederate Flag is particularly unusual in the way that its portrayed so differently by different sections of society, and in many ways it makes it unique. To society as a whole, the image, whether or not it is considered good or bad is unusually divisive, and less so in other flags. For example, the majority of people would probably consider the Swastika as a negative symbol whereas the Stars and Strips as a positive one. I guess its got something to do with just how much was at stake by all parties in the civil war at that time for it to have become so in-bedded in southern culture.

[@Hillers62]

At 7:30 ...THAT IS NOT THE CONFEDERATE FLAG!!!!!!!!! Get it straight!!!!!

[@michaelhunter8644]

I'm going to get myself in trouble I don't understand why everybody's getting mad about our history and anything else that happened defying was there and from what I've seen it was just military Yahoo let's go

[@Azivegu]

1:30, look at the 51st state of Lake Michigan. Water is probably cleaner than in Michigan. Poor Puerto Rico. Will always be waiting...

[@eldizo_]

+Azivegu Puerto*. That isn't happening anytime soon, most of the people here don't know what they want.

[@Azivegu]

Borikuaedu3991 sorry, will correct xD

[@carultch]

+Azivegu And poor Washington DC. A region set up specifically not to be a state, leaving its residents in an awkward situation of their representation in Congress and governing what would otherwise be state level issues.

[@joshuajohns6356]

+Azivegu Puerto Rico is just maintaining their sweet spot, they don't have to pay taxes to the US government but still receives protection, training, and most of the advantages of being a US state, the only thing they don't get is representation; then again they also aren't as greatly impacted by the federal government as a state. They got a better deal than the Native Americans, their reservations are semi autonomous nations under the federal government but they don't get the option of representation or statehood and the federal government is still chipping away at their culture, lands, and everything as the tribes continue to be choked out like the government planned to do even before the Civil War started. Those who aren't choked out will end up so integrated into the white man's society that they won't even know they had a different culture and history and some day the history books will only say some savages used to live here, attacked the settlers after a while, and were destroyed. In school the history teacher just kind of brushed over the history of the Native Americans, I think there might have been a half a page dedicated to them in the history book and the history teacher just kind of brushed over it real quick and moved on; they weren't even on the test. Even the history of the area I'm in now says that there wasn't anybody living here even though the whole state is named after the tribe; of course the last person from that tribe died in the 1970s I believe so they just kind of pretend they never existed now. The state of Missouri is named after a Native American tribe though. I didn't find that in the history books, I found that through my own research. There's not a lot written about them sadly and most people in this state don't even know why Missouri is called Missouri; they assume it's because of a river half the time and don't even know why the Missouri river is called the Missouri river.

[@carultch]

Joshua Johns Have you heard of paragraph breaks? I get lost reading you first discussing Puerto Rico, only to end discussing Missouri. It is interesting, but difficult to read.

[@travislee3203]

In the famous KKK March in Washington in the 20s, they had tons of US flags, NOT confederate flags. Use of the flag as a political symbol in support of segregation, etc was actually fairly recent. The current “interpretation” of that the flag is about hate really started in earnest, By Jesse Jackson in the early 90s, when he had nothing else to complain about. The confederate flag was carried into war in the Spanish war, WWI WWII, Vietnam, until it was essentially banned. In most cases, the confederate flag is not About hate, it’s a statement of resistance to being bossed around by busybodies a thousand miles away.

[@marylynch3461]

I’m getting a confederate flag and hanging it up in my room

[@bubbles-1020]

Genuine question, why?

[@bolajiayeni2530]

Racist

[@Rosinronin]

Last name is lynch are you surprised she’s doing it

[@Kay.D]

because They fantasize about another Civil War.

[@bolajiayeni2530]

P P P you’re a racist

[@clydekimsey7503]

This showed me that not only do words evolve, but so do symbols.

[@shadowslytherin5999]

Yeah but even though people like the KKK would use that flag doesn't mean it's racist saying a flag is racist is saying that all flags including the British flag is racist and that's Bs

[@FoxElliott]

I personally believe that, if the Confederacy had won, they would've adopted the Confederate battle flag due to its unique design and cultural significance for them.

[@jasminepage1031]

if the confederacy had won, your racist a$$es would still be good and happy.

[@jamestunstall2732]

In Brazil, Santa Barbara O'Desta (Hope I spelled that correctly) the COnfederate Exiles still have a day celebrating the Confederate flag and all are welcome!

[@augustinedaudu9203]

James Tunstall that's because Confederates moved to Brazil, bread with the population and spread Confederate ideals to the people

[@rlolalleskapot]

* Santa Barbara D'Oeste

[@jngfitness2001]

@@augustinedaudu9203 Very interesting... Now that one fact I wasn't aware of. Do you recall when they expatriated to Brazil?

[@Bloodhound3700]

Thank for keeping this straight and unbiased

[@nick500125]

I always grew up viewing it as they said in the 70s and 80s and just being a rebel not a racist or even southern pride (being a northerner) and never thought about it again until recently in the news so videos like this that are objective great and informative. Good job.

[@usel1500]

Every time you said The Southern Cross; I thought of the constellation that is featured on the Australian and the New Zealand flags (and probably other nations in the southern hemisphere.)

[@johnmacdonald1878]

The Southern Cross means Australia and New Zealand to me. But I’m not American.

[@andrewgates8158]

Lol.

[@crivket1235]

Born in the South , does not mean anything Evil. I love this flag , and have never owned anyone!! 👍

[@jtan2010]

01:30 buddy you forgot (purposely) a whole bunch of other states. Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia, Oklahoma territory, Carolinas, Missouri, Southern AZ and New Mexico

[@THEMEISTER004]

They were showing a few of them,not to exclude the others but in example

[@rainman4953]

Jtan2010 these were first states in the confederate. Think of them as the first 13 colonies

[@nikolejames3747]

He he forgot to include the creator of the flag William Thompson In a series of editorials, Thompson wrote why he felt the design should be chosen to represent the Confederacy as "The White Man's Flag." As a people, we are fighting to maintain the heaven ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race: a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause.

[@purpleloco1]

Our culture is replaced with over sensitive ninnys.

[@Lilithofeden1]

The Flag has A Big Place It Is American History!

[@macped6751]

Lilithofeden1 Yup gotta love the CSA backstabbing the union Yee

[@spencerconway5468]

Macped the Union was being a tyrannical government to the southerners. Like how the democrats are being a tyrannical to the entire country today.

[@allenriordanyork3856]

Spencer-Get an education

[@arisn32]

Spencer Coonway so black lives don’t matter?

[@TheSavedOne21]

Whenever I see that silly looking flag the word losers come to mind. The Confederate flag represents losers. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[@DeadZeroGameing]

Yeah they need to quit pairing racism with the Confederate flag I'm from the south and that flag to me is Southern pride and a part of History not a symbol of racism

[@tiathompson6674]

What did the Confederacy fight for sir? There is no way you can detach that flag from the racist institution of slavery that the confederacy was willing to give their lives to keep.

[@DeadZeroGameing]

The war was started because that was trying to make their own government that's what they was fighting for not slavery at least that was not the intentions anyways wasn't slavery

[@tiathompson6674]

@@DeadZeroGameing Did they not want their own government so that they could keep slavery?

[@tiathompson6674]

@@DeadZeroGameing If the issue of slavery were not on the table, they would not have wanted seperation from the United States?

[@tiathompson6674]

@@DeadZeroGameing If the issue of slavery were not on the table, they would not have wanted seperation from the United States?

[@okiefred8399]

Its a matter of what you see in the flag. If some see hate that's their feelings. If others see heritage it's their right. So how can the anti flag people tell the others that they aren't free to have their thoughts of heritage

[@masterzeb318]

States having the southern cross flying on state property is a way to respect the men who died for them, and by removing it because of a bunch of whining insolent people is like spitting in a veteran's face.

[@NeuKrofta]

and i think people dont realize that since inception and to this day the USA is still a confederacy and the States are Sovereign. So when men joined to fight in the south, they werent joining for the confederacy or jefferson Davis or slavery, they were fighting for their State.

[@vincenthampton8495]

They they are not American Vets!! They are traitors just like you and Trump!! I am a veteran of 26 years and that flag is equivalent to the Nazi flag!! You are not a patriot!!

[@luisat431]

I found a Confederate flag in my hometown in germany and I knew it was meant for something negative but not really knew what it meant

[@jdredneck2755]

|-/

[@luisat431]

@@jdredneck2755 the clique is everywhere huh 😂👋

[@jdredneck2755]

@@luisat431 lol of course!!!

[@JesusSaves77799]

They should get rid of that flag. The South lost, and we are unified now under the American Flag. To keep using this flag is horrible for African-Americans, and should not be permitted to be flown. They should absolutely NOT be on federal buildings. We have ONE flag for our country. And to show decency, love and apology to our African-American brothers and sisters, this flag should never be allowed to be flown or sold. Thank you.

[@TrafficPartyHatTest]

Well, mostly, I don't want it to be banned, the whole "free speech" thing, but it shouldn't ever be flown on governmental buildings

[@forrestlana]

Excelente explicação!.. Obrigado por postar.

[@rlolalleskapot]

To vendo aqui e mesmo depois desse video ainda não consigo chegar a uma conclusão, o assunto é realmente muito complexo.

[@tubi333]

Very interesting! What I miss is a reference to the Christian roots of the „Southern Cross“ which was derived from the Scottish Saint Andrew‘s cross.

[@joshuaowens3511]

I was hoping to hear more of that as well.

[@culturalconfederacy782]

The Southern Cross design of the Confederate Battle flag goes back farther than 1860. It is also known as St. Andrews Cross, which goes back to the Battle of East Lothian in Scotland in 832 A.D. This would become part of the design of the Scottish National Flag. And during 1860, there was a huge Scotch-Irish population in the South. Which is a main reason why the design was adopted for the Confederate Battle Flag. Yes, at the time slavery was being debated. However, this debate was not limited to Southern States. New Jersey, for example, was still a slaveholding state just before the Civil War. Also, allowing slavery (or ending it) in the territories under Federal control was hotly contested. As late as 1867, there were 400 slaves in the city of Santa Fe. Even California and New York toyed with the idea of joining the CSA. Contrary to popular belief, the CSA Constitution did not prohibit any state who was a member to pass laws that ended slavery. Free states were also allowed to join the Confederacy. Adoption of the Confederate Battle flag by the KKK would occur much later. With the KKK going through several stages or dying out and resurfacing. Between 1915-1929 its peak membership was 4 million. But due to the Stock Market crash in 1929, the membership plummeted dramatically. The Klan would die out and re-emerge with a very small number of chapters or members. PLEASE NOTE that the Confederate Battle flag WAS NEVER the official flag of the Klan. Its leadership has even discouraged use of the Confederate Battle flag because the design was chosen originally as not to offend the Southern Jewish population or other religious groups. The KKK is anti-Jewish and anti-Catholic. What they really are is a fringe cult disguised as a fraternity which pine for a pure American culture with no outside influence. Whether it be Jewish, Black, Catholic or immigrants. This was especially true during WWI and WWII when they opposed immigration from Europe. The flags most often seen sported by the Klan, or similar type groups, are the American flag and British Union Jack. If you do spot a Confederate Battle flag by a chapter of the KKK, it is generally altered or defaced. This includes lettering of the particular chapter or emblem, reduction of the number of stars set in a much wider cross design or the addition of a border. The standard Confederate Battle Flag has no defacement, 14 stars, a thin blue St. Andrews Cross with white trim and a red field. Short mention about the Dixiecrats: They were not necessarily anti-desegregation. They were against federally mandated desegregation. Just as they were against overtaxation and overregulation by the federal government. They felt those issues should be handled at the state or local level. They protested the doubling of freight rates which were imposed on the South Post-Reconstruction. And yes, Southern states did debate ending segregation or Jim Crow laws in the late 1950's. Getting back to the Confederate Battle Flag, its first root in the South was the Bonnie Blue. The Bonnie Blue was first raised at the Republic of West Florida in 1810 to declare independence from Spanish rule. Forgive me for such a lengthy post, but it was necessary to clarify and separate the true history and actual meaning of the Confederate Battle Flag. It's a shame and embarrassment to see that fringe groups like the KKK, would take the flag of my heritage hostage and use it to prop up their own twisted ideology. They do not respresent Southerners as a whole.

[@bearcooper5837]

Its the battleflag! Not even the right flag! The original confederate flag is similar to the us flag but has fewer bars and 13 stars it was changed to the more controversial version to avoid friendly fire. Also if hate groups didn't use it to represent their hate then there would be no problem, America needs to smarten tf up!

[@aidanlutz8106]

Yeah well I think it’s the hate groups that need to smarten up.

[@mikebobson2768]

I personally don’t believe flying the confederate flag primarily speaking of the “rebel flag” makes you racist. If you are solely flying it because you believe it represents your culture/Heritage or regional identity and not because of some of the racial history with it then I don’t see a problem with that. Unfortunately while saying that I can totally understand and see why some people would be offended by it. From what I have seen it really comes down to an individuals look at it.

[@starryyynightzzz4691]

from how I look at it, if you identify that flag with your ancestry/“culture”, you’re glorifying people who fought for the Confederates, who literally fought to preserve slavery. Doesn’t matter if your grandpappy was a poor share cropper, if the Confederates had won the civil war, slavery would have still been alive and kicking. That’s that.

[@mikebobson2768]

@@starryyynightzzz4691 slavery would have eventually died out because country’s would put heavy sanctions on the confederacy and refuse to buy crops from them which the south was heavily reliant on so it for sure would have come to an end. I know for a fact not everyone who fought for the confederacy fought for the preservation of slavery a big example would be Robert E Lee although he owned slaves he was offered the role for leading the union army and he said he would fight for whatever side Virginia joined (which they choose to join the confederacy obviously). At the time many people felt more loyalty to their state rather then the country as a hole, so many people fought for their state and what they viewed as their homeland from invading northerners. Now while saying that I am in full recognition that the centralized issue with the civil war was based on slavery.

[@starryyynightzzz4691]

@@mikebobson2768 the only reason Europe stopped trade with the south at the time was because the South tried gaining the upper hand in the war and placed an embargo on cotton shipments (and Lincoln’s blockade). If the North and South had a stalemate, the South would have kept slavery going and doing as they always had with their trading with European powers. Hell, if Lincoln hadn’t negotiated with Europe and France to stay out of the conflict, they would have joined the South for their cotton. Also, who gives a damn about Robert E. Lee? Didn’t he say blacks were better off in the U.S. than in Africa? There’s a reason he’s an icon when it comes to the Lost Cause.

[@mikebobson2768]

@@starryyynightzzz4691 Also because by 1862 Abraham Lincoln had made it quite clear he was going to outlaw slavery when he won which made it look extremely morally wrong for country’s like France or Britain to support or trade with the confederacy. Also I was simply giving you an example of someone.

[@jordanjones8578]

The problem with this take is allowing some Americans to hide their racism behind “heritage” or “pride”. The fact of the matter is the confederacy fought specifically to continue to enslave black people. When you fly the team you like, you represent their beliefs. Therefore, flying the “rebel” flag is a you just saying that your ideals matched with those who flew the flag before you. There is no heritage behind that flag but the idea that black people were inferior.

[@ChickenWang-b2t]

TRUMP 2024 Chicanos and Mexicanos for conservative values

[@christiancountryboyilovejesus]

7:10 McDonald's is a American sybol?

[@badcellrary]

I just watched this after that flag got into The Capitol

[@malgus1212]

Capitol riot was mostly staged tho by some leftist radicals like antifa.

[@aidanlutz8106]

@@malgus1212 Please do not spread your conspiracy theories. Thanks in advance.

[@aidanlutz8106]

@@malgus1212 They never explicitly said that it was antifa. Only the crowd said it was antifa, and how would the crowd know?

[@malgus1212]

@@aidanlutz8106 coz antifa and and blm r bunch of anarchists terrorist thugs and clowns u could clearly see if they r trump supporters or not the way they act the way they talk and move not only that alot of them got arrested and exposed that day but theyve already been doing the same crap whole year even worse and you have this jokers in the media covering for them acting like they r "peaceful protesters"

[@showoofity50]

@@malgus1212 sir honestly yes there were antifa there, but I still think it was mostly rilled up trump guys

[@sibel535]

i mean of course this flag should not be erased from history, but i still think it gives of a really bad connotation to poc. when i see a confederate flag i become scared and that’s just the sad truth.

[@dessopopp]

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[@tpgeraghty]

Very good presentation. However, I was looking for the connection, if there is one, with the Cross of St. Andrew on the Scottish flag. The influence of the Scots-Irish people on the founding and development of the country being so profound, it is my supposition that the Stars and Bars is derived from the unique transverse cross of St Andrew. This cross also appears in on the flag of Jamaica, West Indies.

[@pmcclaren1]

Absolutely; it is a CHRISTIAN FLAG PERIOD.

[@chelbiismyname554]

I find that flag BEAUTIFUL & filled with PROUD HERITAGE FLAG....

[@bananajoe4940]

Okay guys. I get what ur saying. It's a symbol of ur heritage. But what is that heritage? If you say it represents your ancestors who were oppressed by taxes. Sure, go ahead, raise that flag, just remember that literally almost every minority has gone through that. Other than this, there is really no way you can defend the flag without sounding racist. The flag came about because the confederacy seceded and betrayed the union MAINLY because of states' rights. OK. They felt as if those rights were not being upheld. OK. The only right that wasn't being upheld besides the very minor taxation was the sates' right to keep slaves. Yeah, not OK. Now the Union didn't give a crap about that at first, they just didn't want slavery to spread into the western territories. But the south got scared that the Union was gonna take their slaves away and declared their own country anyways. ALL BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE UP THEIR SLAVES. big oof. The south waged war mainly on the fact that they wanted to keep African-American slaves and a battle flag is supposed to be a symbol of what ur fighting for sooooooo.....BIG OOF. Also, mentioning the fact they may also be fighting overwhelming taxation, the South's economy depended heavily on free labor so I think the taxes were pretty fair imo. I'm not saying you shouldn't have the right to fly your flag. This is America after all lol. Just be aware that the flag ensues hate FOR A REASON. a very good reason imo. And yeah, as an African American I am offended by this. Cause it goes to show how ignorant we are of our own country's history lol.

[@gemmabee5467]

period. the flag has been used as a symbol of hate for ages, from people flying it in protest of civil rights, to it literally being used by the KKK... southern heritage or not, i still see the racism in it.

[@TrafficPartyHatTest]

Finally! Somebody said it!

[@kylepusey7753]

This was very well done. Thanks.

[@kendricksantiago7712]

Honestly has to come back and remind my self about this flag and just like before there is no place for this flag except in a museum and left in history 🤷‍♂️ l

[@Hillers62]

At 7:03 ...The popularity of the "Confederate flag" had nothing to do with racism...It was just about Southern pride...

[@truesandiegan1839]

I'm an African American who was born and raised in Southern California but the flag in no way bothers me. As stated in this video it was used for many different reasons so I don't immediately assume that they are flying out of hate. Most people, at least who I've talked to, fly it to show their disapproval of our government. That being said, I don't think it belongs on federal property. Not saying Mississippi should change their flag, I just feel the battle flag alone should not be flown by on government ground

[@sunshinekid6922]

Freedom of speech dictates that you can say what you like and display anything you like as long as it does not advocate violence. The Confederate battle flag is just a statement by the individual. It is not a statement of history per se. The individual must take responsibility for his actions.

[@Hillers62]

In fact...Robert E. Lee was against slavery...he fought for the rights of the south only...in fact, in the book "The Guns of the South" by Harry Turtledove, this was added to his speculative novel, having Lee win the presidency of the Confederacy over Bedford Forrest, then freeing all the slaves...DO YOUR HISTORY!!!!!!!!

[@FlaMan991]

I just put mine outside to fly yesterday... thanks BLM... you may take down our monuments but you cant take whats wrapped around our hearts.

[@spicysnowman8886]

What does the flag mean to you?

[@FlaMan991]

@@spicysnowman8886 being southern

[@desireess2]

I'm diggin' this playlist.

[@BabySonicGT]

What?

[@daleearnhardtfan3889]

Just let it fly like old glory DAMIT lave it alone if you don't like it than thats a you problem 🤣🤣🖕🏻YYYEEEHHHHAAA Dukes Of HAZZARD WAYLON JENNINGS

[@CheeseBurgerJesus]

Thank you so much for so objective and unbiased!

[@jbandy10]

"And while slavery itself is inherently racist, at the time, the flag was more of a way for Confederate states to distinguish themselves from the United States. It wasn't really about race, well not directly anyways." So, by this logic: "And while mass genocide and murder of Jews and minorities is inherently monstrous, at the time, the Nazi flag was more of a way for the Third Reicht to distinguish themselves from the Unites states. It wasn't really about genocide, well not directly anyways." You're walking a dangerous road, here.

[@musicsouth2033]

How so you make no sense apple's and oranges

[@THEMEISTER004]

That logic doesn't apply to the Third Reich flag

[@THEMEISTER004]

The third Reich flag and it's symbol (the swastika) under the context of nazism is directly tied to the ideology,unlike the Confederate flag.

[@THEMEISTER004]

(The saltire and stars)

[@jbandy10]

@@THEMEISTER004 if the Confederate flag isn't tied to that ideology, why is it that William Thompson, when he designed it, wrote that the flag would "stand for the white man's superiority over the colored races?"

[@ethanfoster4949]

The flag to me has always represented the region of the country I was born and raised in. I’m a southerner. Most of us are good people. We have a few nut jobs but that goes for any group of people.

[@couldbeanybody2508]

3:21 Except in missisipi...

[@couldbeanybody2508]

@Gravity Massive nihga it's been 2 years

[@couldbeanybody2508]

@Gravity Massive missisipi doesn't even have it anymore

[@Cromwell133]

Definitely the most interesting video you've done, excellent work guys!

[@isabellanash7888]

Well I don't have time to read every single comment but I'll tell you what my dad told me from the right bottom corner to the left top corner is seven stars up and from the right top corner to the left bottom corner is seven stars down (7 up) (7down) GOD created the world in 7 days even though there are 7 up and 7 down there are still only 13 stars on the flag the middle one counted twice but 13 the 12 apostle's and +1JESUS CHRIST =13 and that's what was taught in our home about that sacred flag

[@patriot692]

@@isabellanash7888 Fascinating!! Thx! 🙏🇺🇸

[@christopheralldredge9298]

$20 says the black professor votes Democrat, lol.

[@kimberlywertz3839]

Who cares.

[@vivimaze]

I thought you guys did a particularly good job on this video, you approached a difficult subject with fair mindlessness. For me it was interesting to see that at some point in time there seemed to be some people who really only used it as a rebel symbol. In terms of modern usage, I think the man at the museum you interviewed was right, a stye symbol should be able represent everyone in that state, and the confederate flag has consistently been used to represent white culture (even in the most benign usage).

[@vivimaze]

*state

[@The1Sampson]

Yeah those people are treasonous traitors

[@glenysgrullon1819]

@@The1Sampson Indeed

[@BestCousinsEva123]

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[@denisdegamon8224]

@@The1Sampson your ignorance and revisionist history is astounding. I am a historian and northern born. The southerns are not traitors. The vast majority of the southern soldiers fought for their respective states, states rights and home, not for slavery. Only the Southern aristocrats were in support of that horrible institution and they represented a very small percentage of the population.

[@knumnutz75]

Even as a kid I knew it as a rebel flag because I was obsessed With the dukes of hazzard show and I always correlated the flag with individuality. But that quickly changed when a fellow school mate of mine called me racist for having the general Lee hotwheels. I didn't even know what racism was that day until my parents sat me down and explained more in detail. I still see it more as a sign of rebellion in the sense of like being alternative; to go against the status quo for individuality but I learned that no matter how much truth you put into history some like have a blindside which I can understand.

[@howierichard5238]

Well Lynrd Skynard flew the flag for the exact same rrason cause Brits called them Yankees. But even they realized years later that the flag is garbage and even spoke it on the documentary. So do people finally wise up, or do true racist just denounce Skynard???? That's a tough one for white folk. LMAO

[@williamanderson5437]

The real slave flags belong to those West African countries who sold their people into slavery (taken from Africa to Egypt, later into the Middle East, lastly into the Caribbean Islands, from where they ended up in the Southern States). No-one objects about these West African countries Flags, it is a total disgrace to omit this fact. The Confederacy happened over money & trade, Cotton & Tobacco being taxed when shipped from Northern ports. Do not forget there were slaves in the North too (note Lincoln's comment about keeping slavery in the North if it meant preserving the Federal Union), and never overlook the native tribes (North and South), who were almost wiped to extinction by the USA of the day. The Confederate flags represents 'A Civilization Gone With the Wind' - to quote the full title of a well known book. The South had Black slaves, The North had Black and Pink slaves. If you are going to make a balanced presentation you really should include all aspects, otherwise you appear racist in your own views.

[@loudpack8319]

They were proud of people who literally died to keep slavery. They said to themselves I don't want to live if I can't have someone work for me for free for the rest of there lives .

[@Nitro-SmK]

Daniel Berryman BS. Slaves were in the hands of a few rich owners. Not the average soldier on the battlefield, who were dieing in battles.

[@loudpack8319]

@@Nitro-SmK they were fighting to keep slavery going and lost Budd get over it

[@Nitro-SmK]

Daniel Berryman like you are fighting to make blm and other race baiting orgs rich?

[@loudpack8319]

@@Nitro-SmK nope its a tiny bit different see your people wanted to continue 250 years of free labour and failed. Black people are fighting to not be lynched. Kinda different

[@Nitro-SmK]

Daniel Berryman my people? Like all the white people who fought and died for the north to end slavery and actually won? Don't you realize if whites wanted to keep blacks enslaved, they would still be slaves today?