Izuka: money doesn’t exist in the Sonic universe Vector in Heroes: “...we never turn down work that pays.”
@narxmagee7273 жыл бұрын
Guess Izuka doesn't know their policy.
@CarvedDaWarped3 жыл бұрын
Nope.
@justcallmekai15543 жыл бұрын
@@narxmagee727 Their detectives you want on your sideeee
@narxmagee7273 жыл бұрын
@@justcallmekai1554 They're directive's tracking down your criiiiime.
@justcallmekai15543 жыл бұрын
@@narxmagee727 Come along for a rideee *moves at light speed*
@Prep_Time_God3 жыл бұрын
We reached peak writing with excuses like "everyone had like... amnesia"
@Prep_Time_God3 жыл бұрын
@mr.jinjin we meet again, mr.jinjin
@Prep_Time_God3 жыл бұрын
@mr.jinjin honestly I need to so then I can go make a dead rising video
@mediamuncher69823 жыл бұрын
Classic is from another dimension now that consistency.
@CarvedDaWarped3 жыл бұрын
@@mediamuncher6982 The fuck is Sonic Team smoking?
@ChiefMedicPururu3 жыл бұрын
@@CarvedDaWarped *Iizuka. Don't bring the whole team into this.
@takeshitatnall54963 жыл бұрын
Cream realized Sonic doesn't like Amy is still the funniest thing to me
@Sgt-Wolf3 жыл бұрын
Cream is a all knowing godly being capable of destroying the world pretending to be a child. And now that you know G.U.N is sending a kill squad as we speak good day.
@rockhistoria25373 жыл бұрын
@@Sgt-Wolf wow thanks sergeant
@justawhiteman.85503 жыл бұрын
@@Sgt-Wolf wow.
@klosyfielaer20063 жыл бұрын
@@Sgt-Wolf Ah. I guess that explains why Huge Crisis is so close to Cream's house
@CarvedDaWarped3 жыл бұрын
@@klosyfielaer2006 Even to this day... damn.
@goblinmcgameface3 жыл бұрын
Imagine actually trying to drive on Speed Highway. ...wait why isn’t this a course in any modern Sonic racing game?
@donnellmadison55863 жыл бұрын
Imagine trying to park in city escape only for a blue hedgehog to ram into it
@biodock20033 жыл бұрын
Speed Highway from SA1 was under construction but in Generations it is more finished
@parasitic7773 жыл бұрын
imagine trying to drive in City Escape
@fabianugalde37893 жыл бұрын
Imagine driving through Grand Metropolis
@cosplayingchao3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if you need to pass through Central City but you need to take Radical Highway or either of the Routes from Tails or Rouge's driving levels
@boiled_walrus69603 жыл бұрын
I don’t care if the bit with shadow being based on super sonic is cannon, it’s too good I accept it as fact
@narxmagee7273 жыл бұрын
Honestly it may be headcanon but it's probably 20x better than whatever the "actual explanation" is if ever asked.
@justcallmekai15543 жыл бұрын
@@narxmagee727 I swear that has to be on purpose. It fits so well and would make Shadows line "Sonic..I think Ive discovered what the ultimate lifeform is..It might be youu!" have even more weight. But knowing Sega sometimes, they forget there own lore.
@narxmagee7273 жыл бұрын
@@justcallmekai1554 Omg you're right. That would make more sense. Too bad stuff that connects so well like this seems to be the result of excessive digging.
@fabianugalde37893 жыл бұрын
@@justcallmekai1554 Imagine if Shadow tells that to Sonic in the next game when there is an intense fight at the end that Shadow can't fight. Sonic who isnt fighting with whatever the big threat is grabs the Chaos Emeralds and along with Shadow and other characters (maybe Blaze, Silver, Tails, and Knuckles since they've already used the Chaos Emeralds or Sol Emeralds before) have a climatic final boss battle.
@sboinkthelegday38923 жыл бұрын
I would suppose the behind-the-curtain role of Shadow is to represent the original Japanese design, that western marketing axed in favor of that SatAM Sonic, and the story inspiration is to retell the story of what really makes Sonic who he is: the author or the audience. Or it could be about how much Sonic can be made edgier without losing his core spirit, examining if the changes since Adventure were too much. Maybe prove the point that if Adventure had been too edgy, it would have looked like Shadow. Funnily echoed by the actual Shadow the Hedgehog game trying to keep that same cake while eating it.
@VioletLunaChan3 жыл бұрын
A human world would be better, just because it would freak me out if Dr. Eggman would be the only human
@bowmaj86663 жыл бұрын
Why this is even a "controversy" among Sonic "fans" I'll never understand! People seem dead set against the idea of a world where humans and anthros coexist, but why? The common claim is "well there were no humans in the old games, so the old games MUST take place on a world of animals!" First of all, Eggman is a human (seriously, why do people just choose to ignore that), it's never hinted at or implied that he's from another dimension or planet, or that he's "the last of his kind" or whatever! Secondly, in the very first game there weren't any other anthros, just the little animal friends! It is also infuriating that people say things like "it just doesn't make any sense to have these random humanised animals walking around in a world of humans without some kind of explanation as to why they're there!" Because they seem to have no problem with this one random human walking around in a world of anthropomorphic animals with no explanation! It just makes no sense!
@SocksFCGameArchives3 жыл бұрын
@@bowmaj8666 yes I too believe that humans and “mobians” coexist, Sandopolis Act 2 from S3K depicts murals of humans in the background. Whilst it’s obviously just standard Ancient Egyptian themed art, in the Sonic universe wouldnt it be strange if there were no humans? Also, just Angel Island’s presence in SA1 is evidence enough I think. Oh yea what do you think of the crappy 2 worlds thing?
@bowmaj86663 жыл бұрын
@@SocksFCGameArchives Which one? The crappy 2 worlds theory where humans and anthropomorphic animals exist on different planets/dimensions, or the crappy 2 worlds theory that the "Classic games" are set in an entirely separate universe to the "Modern games?" That pretty much sums up my feelings about this utter mess of a continuity, but it bears repeating, these decisions make absolutely no sense; they just make everything way more convoluted and confusing than they need to be. It's even worse that most of this stuff is never delved into in the games themselves. It's just mindless fan pandering!
@SocksFCGameArchives3 жыл бұрын
@@bowmaj8666 yea I think separating classic from modern as 2 worlds is stupid, Angel Island is the link from Classic to (somewhat) Modern. I feel continuity was best handled by Naka
@Malcolm97623 жыл бұрын
@@bowmaj8666 Because SatAM...
@flarky64653 жыл бұрын
"I hate SA2 as much as the next guy." *So, not at all?*
@angelgonzalez48713 жыл бұрын
Lol he lost the debate against cybershell so i guess he is going to keep hating on sa2 for a long time lol
@DarkkirbyKRPG3 жыл бұрын
@@angelgonzalez4871 That was LS Mark tho, this is SplashDash. Must be really feeling bad for his best friend.
@SpeedySteedyYT3 жыл бұрын
Ls Mark and Splashdash think alike. They hated SA2 and love Sonic heroes. What if..........
@12OzTat3 жыл бұрын
@@angelgonzalez4871 he lost horribly, he legit argues like chris chan its hilarious
@playerback77223 жыл бұрын
Hate sa2? Sounds trollish
@moonshoes89313 жыл бұрын
You are missing a big part. At the end of Shadow, the GUN commander talks about hiring shadow, and the president calls him a hero or something. They basically foreshadow 06, so it would make sense that shadow works with rouge now. He saved the planet in the true ending.
@im_terminallyonline2 жыл бұрын
Heheheh....ForeSHADOWing...
@HOTD108_2 жыл бұрын
Tbf getting one ending in Shadow is tedious enough, so I don't blame anyone for not seeing the true ending of that game.
@superbodoque78602 жыл бұрын
Well he made a promise to protect the world to Maria, it would only make sense to work with people that could help him maximize his effectiveness, besides he gets to work with his 2 best friends
@Sonictheoofhog42 жыл бұрын
@@im_terminallyonline what
@LannyLeArtist2 жыл бұрын
@@im_terminallyonline hehe
@kot43113 жыл бұрын
If I recall, in the Very Hard mode of Shadow the Hedgehog, there’s a bit of dialogue where the GUN commander offers Shadow to work for them, so there is at least some explanation as to him being a GUN agent in 06
@loltheno3 жыл бұрын
The entirety of Expert Mode is part of a training procedure - like, all the maps are false planes of existence and Shadow's training for getting a job as an agent through these "emulations" made by GUN.
@nashfeighny47573 жыл бұрын
Even though it really doesn't make much sense, it's cool that they gave a reason for how Shadow would become a GUN agent. In one of the ARK levels, the Commander even tells Shadow that he recently became a grandfather and wants to invite him over to his house for tea.
@borederlands53873 жыл бұрын
That game also explains what happened to shadow between sa2 and heroes if you wait around at the final boss
@theswig23393 жыл бұрын
@@borederlands5387 i can vouch! Eggman Explains it all and apalogizes for lying to shadow for being an android.
@borederlands53873 жыл бұрын
@@theswig2339 yeah the vid made it sound like mark just didn't know that dialogue existed, which i can't really blame him for to be honest
@Zekapix3 жыл бұрын
Man this friend of LS Mark knows alot about this funny hedgehog
@ibilesfighter3.163 жыл бұрын
It's almost as if they're one in the same... Hmm...
@JDT-Loadsamoney3 жыл бұрын
@@ibilesfighter3.16 nah, couldn’t be possible. Ls mark confirms this
@Laiser3 жыл бұрын
Difference is SplashDash didn't get absolutely wrecked by Cybershell
@najadamu27243 жыл бұрын
@@JDT-Loadsamoney But think about it: SplashDash loves Sonic Heroes. You know who else loves Sonic Heroes? That's right; LS Mark!
@JDT-Loadsamoney3 жыл бұрын
@@Laiser IS THOU IMPLYING THEY ARE THE SAME!?
@ADiretoria1003 жыл бұрын
As someone who loves the lore: WOOOOO this is gonna be epic, immediatly liked
@narxmagee7273 жыл бұрын
Love has never been so confusing.
@thedinguskhan92993 жыл бұрын
epic
@Helicopter73 жыл бұрын
@@narxmagee727 w
@mediamuncher69823 жыл бұрын
I love the lore
@tailsfrontiers12242 жыл бұрын
then the cat goes and says he hate sa2.... whew.. "epic" indeed......... (BIG sarcasm)
@dankwaifu20933 жыл бұрын
I think that Amy/Cream joke still works, it's just been changed a little. Instead of Amy daring Cream to 'say it, watch what happens', she's oblivious and Cream and trying to spare her feelings so she just laughs it off. It's not as funny, but there's still something there.
@moister37273 жыл бұрын
"Sonic Colors is set in a non-human world" so what is eggman doing there, he is human? And why he built that space park? and why is planet earth a think there? is there multiple earths in the Sonic universe? Angel island is not a thing now? where is Knuckles in the Wii version? Why eggman didn't just call the space park "A new eggmanland"?
@narxmagee7273 жыл бұрын
Izuka: They got like...amnesia.
@Axxidous3 жыл бұрын
Sonic Colors isn't even set on a single planet so... it's not inaccurate. lol
@boydixonentertainment3 жыл бұрын
Even Planet Wisp is still a separate location. The wisps are only on Sonic’s world now because the wisps grew a fondness over Sonic.
@Izhen_UwU3 жыл бұрын
The logical stuff here would be eggman with his time got planets from the infinite sides of the universe and got all these planets on his space park,remember,everything like this can be generated,and also should be a great theory
@echotrash4663 жыл бұрын
Egghead's so smart he found a way to get himself stuck on planet Mobius with Sonic. Born on Earth from the human dimension, some how ended up on Sonic's world. He's the smartest, dumbest human alive, lol.
@SoIstice3 жыл бұрын
Shadow joining GUN is actually explained pretty decently in Shadow the Hedgehog of all games. Basically, at the end he decides to put his past behind him and move forward with his life as a protector of humans like Maria wanted him to be. Joining GUN just happens to be the most efficient way to do this, as now he has access to intel, equipment and can carry out his missions legally, plus he can work alongside his teammates Rouge and Omega. On top of that, Shadow's Hard Mode has the GUN commander apologize to Shadow about everything and the Hard Mode can be interpreted as Shadow's training for GUN because the tips turn into dialogue pertaining to training with GUN.
@narxmagee7273 жыл бұрын
Omg I thought the exact same thing like literally down to the word. I always personally thought it made a good amount of sense. Thanks for taking the words straight outta my mouth I guess.
@SoIstice3 жыл бұрын
@@narxmagee727 Mhm. If there's one thing 06 got right, it was the characterization of Shadow and Team Dark in general. It's the best he's been since SA2 and hasn't been matched since. It's sad what they did to him after
@narxmagee7273 жыл бұрын
@@SoIstice Yeah, Team Dark really felt like a...well team. Shadow had his motivations and character in check and he knew what he wanted to do. Even if Mephilis was right even if the world chooses to be his enemy, he will fight like he always has (love that line). Fast forward to now and it doesn't feel like what he was in 06. He's become this edgy dude who sometimes care less about anything, he apparently isn't friends with Rouge and Omega even though they're the 2 people closest to him aside from Maria, and he just feels so shallow. He lost his lairs. The closest Team Dark as a whole has been is Sonic Forces but it's Sonic Forces so it wasn't really much. Oh well I still hold some hope that Team Dark and especially Shadow can find their footing again.
@fazelfarrokhi19983 жыл бұрын
@@narxmagee727 you should know that shiro maekawa the father of shadow and sonic writer wrote sa1 2 heroes shadow story from 06 riders games storybook games from 1998 to 2009 he know what sonic and shadow is and oh right unleashed was from one of 06 writers and shadow the hedgehog game story was from lizuka himself so sega must bring back the best writer maekawa
@LupinticDream3 жыл бұрын
6:40 Yeah, but isn't that a silhouette of Blaze's head in the center? You can even see her ponytail and head jewel. Which is, uh, still weird though... Like, who the heck carved Blaze's face in a stone slab and why? Actually, that's interesting, because during '06, Blaze sealed Iblis within herself, and Iblis is half of Solaris... Hmm...
@justcallmekai15543 жыл бұрын
That's the thing that's a bit irritating. They have the history of the universe they made to create something interesting or reinterpret things from the past in a new context but just... does nothing with it. This franchise has such waisted potential alot of the time.
@rual98222 жыл бұрын
Cant believe i actually just found you here of all places bro, another really passionate sonic fan i see lmao
@PosthumanHeresy2 жыл бұрын
@@justcallmekai1554 The writers need to be put in charge.
@SM-th7pw3 жыл бұрын
6:38 And there’s also the fact that the symbol looks EXACTLY LIKE BLAZE!!!
@tacocats22443 жыл бұрын
OH IT ACTUALLY DOES
@brolookatthatthingbehindyo13243 жыл бұрын
the biggest plot hole is how Izuka, despite being Japanese, has a bad case of the bri'ish teeth
@skyrailstar99233 жыл бұрын
I have never seen a Japanese person or a British person in real life with fucked up teeth like that
@Uhhhh9703 жыл бұрын
Damn bro, British people might not have teeth up to par with Americans but they ain’t that bad!
@skyrailstar99233 жыл бұрын
@@Uhhhh970 but when there bad, they are BAD
@jameswagstaff9843 жыл бұрын
@@Uhhhh970 actually a test show English dental care is better then American dental care
@bouteilledeau14633 жыл бұрын
We need that photo of Izuka Splash is always using except the teeth are bubbled up.
@thenumber27issomehowtaken3 жыл бұрын
I mean, at the end of Shadow the Hedgehog Shadow left his past behind him and moved on to protect the world no matter what. That is why he is working with G.U.N. in 06.
@garrettculley89073 жыл бұрын
The Archie comics explain this really well .
@fabianugalde37893 жыл бұрын
That's what I always thought. However it would he cool if characters like Infinite or other future villains taunt Shadow by reminding of Maria and things related with the 2005 game Shadow the Hedgehog. That will surely torture him and would connect the games
@garrettculley89073 жыл бұрын
@@fabianugalde3789 that wouldn’t really work because Shadow dealt with all of that stuff and put it behind him. That’s why in Sonic 06 Mephiles taunts him with the future.
@alexlee41543 жыл бұрын
The easy fix for this wouldve been for the commander from shadow the hedgehog cameo in 06 and for shadow to have a 'just this once' mentality implying that they worked shit out between games
@darkhorse7443 жыл бұрын
@@alexlee4154 There's actually some audio from the Shadow the Hedgehog VR missions(or something like that), that implies that Shadow starts training to join GUN.
@purple58233 жыл бұрын
Just something about sa2 being supposibly "not canon" Shadow's bio in the olympics is referring to Shadow's origins, stating that it was rumoured that he was BORN on the Ark, but nobody really knows because only the government and the sonic characters truly know of Shadow's origins. Also, Maria not being mentioned in Sonic 06... Doesn't really mean anything. The game did have some big continuity errors like Elise having a chaos emerald with her for 10 years which made no sense but nothing implied Sa2 never happened, and for the whole Shadow working for GUN thing, Shadow's goal is to protect the world and give people a chance to be happy and granting Maria's wish so it makes sense that he'd work for the government if it helps in doing exactly that, infact, when replaying Shadow The Hedgehog, you'll get dialogue of the president and the commander talking about Shadow's "training", which implies he's being trained to join GUN. And for the Maria having been killed thing not only did GUN regret everything that happened 50 years prior in Shadow The Hedgehog, but also Shadow is likely to have forgiven humanity considering how he let what happened in the past stay in the past and is now protecting humanity. Also I'm pretty sure it's never been stated South Island is where all of the anthropomorphic animals come from... Cuz it wasn't. It's just one of many places they inhabit.
@PosthumanHeresy2 жыл бұрын
Also, Shadow's game's plot would explain why GUN would be... gun-ho about him joining. The GUN Commander does not hate Shadow anymore. Furthermore, he and Shadow share a past, which means that since he realized the truth about Shadow and Shadow has forgiven humanity, they now have a very, very good reason to connect. They're the only thing that connects each other to their past. They're basically family.
@purple58232 жыл бұрын
@@PosthumanHeresy Exactly. You get it.
@PosthumanHeresy2 жыл бұрын
@@purple5823 Yeah, there's a lot of things in Sonic where you can draw very reasonable conclusions about how weird developments happened, but the writing never focuses on them. Robotnik's grandfather and presumably cousin were murdered by the government, he wants to take over the world because he believes he should be in charge, one can see how he got there given the people in charge killed his family. Knuckles kinda has an arc from Adventure 1 to Heroes in terms of him learning to relax and socialize. The first game forcing him into the world, the second game both forcing him to care about the world and him feeling attraction for the first time, and the third showing him actually socializing with Sonic and Tails as friends, showing that he's come to trust them and feel relaxed leaving Angel Island whereas he could still be duped by Robotnik in Adventure and was resigned to fate. Shadow's plot is mostly ruined by the presentation, but the GUN Commander is interesting as hell being Shadow's only link to his past.
@purple58232 жыл бұрын
@@PosthumanHeresy The only part where I have to disagree is Eggman wanting to take over the world due to his family's past since it seems like not even he knew what happened to his grandfather, as the government kept everything about the event top secret and he only found out about Shadow after he first found his grandfather's diary and when first seeing something about a "top secret weapon in prison island" he went straight there to take it and didn't even finish it, only finding out about the rest during the final story. He even returns to the diary in the advance series when he discovers Emerl. I like to think he looked up to his grandfather as possibly the (at the time) greatest scientist in the world and wanted to be just like him, but overtime his ego grew so massive that he felt like due to his genius, he deserved the entire world under his control and started his quest to take over the world.
@Kobaaming0902 жыл бұрын
Funny how in the beginning of the video he was criticized poeple for trying so hard to find plot holes that doesn't exist and yet he does himself.
@BinglesP2 жыл бұрын
Funny how Blaze and Classic Sonic essentially had opposite retcons Time-traveling and dimension-traveling really do get mixed up with Sonic often
@nicholasgawler-collins57543 жыл бұрын
Izuka could've been using "worlds" in the same way Mario uses them, to mean groups of stages, which also ties in with wanting to make the series more like Mario. And how he mentioned a non-human *side.*
@goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын
How we can fix the sonic canon You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on KZbin or on some online chat room like Reddit. Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them. They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account. Now hold on a minute I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore. That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged. If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things number 1 Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault. I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games. I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it. These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things or at least not aware of how much people hate it. then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon. If we make it If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it. After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan. But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked. If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything Number 2 Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously. So best to be safe For the no money in sonic I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06 Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video. And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing. how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version. Number 3 Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works. 4 Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word. 5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games. Just go and do it know So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
@nicholasgawler-collins57543 жыл бұрын
@@goldenboybenny7511 You did raise some good points about going to Izuka to politely suggest things, but I don't have Facebook and I don't have the courage to bug him directly on Twitter. The reason a lot of people might use KZbin and comment sections to raise concerns despite not being a surefire way to speak to creators ties in with your 4th point about spreading the word: KZbin is a place where videos have the chance to gain a lot of traction and be shared all over. It's also a good way of making money. Not to be impolite or anything, but your comment was a little difficult to read, so could you add some more punctuation and stuff? Thanks!
@darkhorse7443 жыл бұрын
Since no one else seems to be pointing it out. It is actually shown how Shadow was training for GUN, in Shadow the Hedgehog. There's actually a bunch of lore stuff in StH, including Eggman stating that the Player's Shadow is 100% the real one.
@DemonDethchase3 жыл бұрын
Me: wait a minute, Team Dark aren't friends anymore!? Iizuka: I am altering the lore, pray that I don't alter it any further. Me: this lore's getting worse all the time...
@goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын
How we can fix the sonic canon You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on KZbin or on some online chat room like Reddit. Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them. They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account. Now hold on a minute I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore. That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged. If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things number 1 Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault. I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games. I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it. These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things or at least not aware of how much people hate it. then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon. If we make it If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it. After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan. But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked. If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything Number 2 Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously. So best to be safe For the no money in sonic I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06 Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video. And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing. how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version. Number 3 Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works. 4 Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word. 5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games. Just go and do it know So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
@MasuxAnderson3 жыл бұрын
Even though Shadow was working with Rouge and actively trying to save Omega in Episode Shadow.
@StinkTerios3 жыл бұрын
What a hack fraud, Shadow The Hedgehog's extreme mode is the VR training that Shadow undertook to join G.U.N.
@Everik-ct6pg3 жыл бұрын
I hope the next video is a 2 and a half hour discussion about Sonic's different hairstyles between movies, cartoons, games and comics.
@rusty38183 жыл бұрын
On that bit about how Gerald made the Ultimate Lifeform, HOLY HELL THAT'S GENIUS
@dragonthunderx32503 жыл бұрын
It’s also supported by this hidden bit of dialogue Shadow has in final hazard. “*laughs* Sonic I think I figured out who’s the ultimate life form. It must be you!”
@astralterra29063 жыл бұрын
"NOTHING IS CANON IN SONIC ANYMORE!" -RadicalSoda
@goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын
How we can fix the sonic canon You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on KZbin or on some online chat room like Reddit. Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them. They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account. Now hold on a minute I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore. That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged. If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things number 1 Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault. I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games. I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it. These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things or at least not aware of how much people hate it. then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon. If we make it If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it. After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan. But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked. If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything Number 2 Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously. So best to be safe For the no money in sonic I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06 Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video. And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing. how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version. Number 3 Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works. 4 Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word. 5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games. Just go and do it know So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
@CosmicSponge20043 жыл бұрын
The fact that Ian Flynn's writing the book let's me know that the lore won't be any better than in the games but possibly a restatement by someone who has brains. (unlike izuka)
@Boomie_3653 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Flynn's inherited an unholy mess of contradictitive lore and plotlines, inconsistent characterization and downright stupid writing and made it work once, he'll do it again. Seriously Sega, please pay this man to write the games, it'll improve things by leaps and bounds.
@DanTheLoler_173 жыл бұрын
nor teeth
@goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын
How we can fix the sonic canon You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on KZbin or on some online chat room like Reddit. Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them. They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account. Now hold on a minute I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore. That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged. If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things number 1 Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault. I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games. I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it. These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things or at least not aware of how much people hate it. then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon. If we make it If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it. After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan. But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked. If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything Number 2 Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously. So best to be safe For the no money in sonic I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06 Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video. And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing. how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version. Number 3 Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works. 4 Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word. 5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games. Just go and do it know So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
@CosmicSponge20043 жыл бұрын
@@goldenboybenny7511 I don't use twitter
@goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын
Elijah Pippin Then go to Izuka’s Facebook account that what I did.
@joshuablaster15403 жыл бұрын
You know you screwed things up when the Five Nights at Freddy’s franchise is more consistent and understandable than your video game franchise about a blue hedgehog who fights an obese evil genius.
@undeadbatman97623 жыл бұрын
Tbf the franchise is more than that.
@TheEmeraldSword042 жыл бұрын
Five Nights lore is really hard to understand, yet consistent, c'mon guys, you're being outdone by one guy that made mediocre games until he made one game with a lot of shadows.
@painvillegaming41192 жыл бұрын
@@undeadbatman9762 yeah
@nezaniatoimya3 жыл бұрын
I like how IDW comics just implies that literally all games happened in canon Even Shadow the hedgehog despite the fact that in IDW there are no humans
@lightbluedude76283 жыл бұрын
I remember in Shadow the Hedgehog during the final boss, Eggman would tell Shadow that he is THE Shaodw from Adventute 2 and was saved when he hit the earth
@narxmagee7273 жыл бұрын
Only takes like 9 minutes for such a simple confirmation.
@lightbluedude76283 жыл бұрын
@@narxmagee727 exactly like jeez. I didn't even know it was a thing until I watched a video on it
@GUNS_jk3 жыл бұрын
Iizuka didn't want you to hear that.
@lightbluedude76283 жыл бұрын
@@GUNS_jk yea of course he didn't
@demondoggo27683 жыл бұрын
" I hate sonic adventure 2 as much as the next guy. " This man has comitted an act of heresy against the greatest masterpiece of all time and must pay for his crimes against humanity.
@DarkkirbyKRPG3 жыл бұрын
He's just mad his best friend, LS Mark, lost a debate against the Sonic lore master, Cybershell.
@hubcrow3 жыл бұрын
Opinions exist ya know I'm a sonic fan and sa2 ain't a masterpiece It has more cons than pros
@D00DM00D3 жыл бұрын
Sonic and Shadow stages are the only good part of the game. *Bye*
@tiruliru11893 жыл бұрын
@@D00DM00D That's your opinion. To me, I found any Sonic Forces stages awful.
@hubcrow3 жыл бұрын
@@tiruliru1189 who said anything about Sonic Forces ?
@JohnboyTheGamer3 жыл бұрын
Izuka: Sonic Colors is set in the non-human world Ending cutscene for Sonic Colors: Looks a lot like where Sonic fell in Sonic Unleashed Edit: Whoever replied to this can't tell a joke
@goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын
It looks nothing alike for one there are no windmills or ocean in site why dose everyone use the slightest excuse to dissmiss Izukas word even whiteout even properly reasearch 😔
@fedeluca40153 жыл бұрын
Oh yes because valleys are very uncommon
@JohnboyTheGamer3 жыл бұрын
@@fedeluca4015 All I'm saying is it reminds me of Sonic Unleashed because it does look similar. Sonic coming back from outer space landing at a grassy field, it's just similar. No need to be sarcastic.
@JohnboyTheGamer3 жыл бұрын
@@goldenboybenny7511 I looked at the final cutscene before posting this. And it looked similar to me. I'm only joking. Not trying to diminish his words.
@goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын
Johnboy1000 sorry thought you where serious so many people will do anything to diss Izuka that I feel compelled to defend him over the slightest thing.
@GUNS_jk3 жыл бұрын
Warms my old heart knowing Sonic fans are starting to get sick and tired of Iizuka's BS.
@GUNS_jk3 жыл бұрын
@VinceSM Almost like a cancer.
@fedeluca40152 жыл бұрын
... lizuka wasn't the one responsible about the 2 world thing it was naka's and the whole sonic team
@GUNS_jk2 жыл бұрын
@@fedeluca4015 Prove it.
@hwanniggles1872 жыл бұрын
@@fedeluca4015 Naka left before the bullshit happened. Hes the reason it all felt connected up until Unleashed since he left during the development of 06
@fedeluca40152 жыл бұрын
@@hwanniggles187 not really, at that time sonic team still didn't know iabout the chronological ubication of sonic cd hence why they make sonic 4 ep metal and 2. also he didn't do that much since sonic adventire 1 he only took an role on 06 where he left, sonic adventure 2 and heroes where lizuka's ideas meanwhile at the time naka was doing other things like phantasy star online
@mechajay33583 жыл бұрын
_To think something as simple as Sonic can have such a Complex Lore surrounding the series. But Izuka saying whatever at the top of his head made it so._
@narxmagee7273 жыл бұрын
I'm so tired of "it's just Sonic" being an excuse for the continuity. It's not even like the Sonic games have an overarching plot, it would just feel nice if some things felt connected which they did but somehow SEGA fucked it up. Making so many bold claims that drastically shift the lore but nothing of substance to go along with it because it's usually on the spot and never gets explained or expanded on further. Was it so much to ask that Sonic felt somewhat connected. I don't think so but apparently I'm wrong.
@goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын
How we can fix the sonic canon You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on KZbin or on some online chat room like Reddit. Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them. They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account. Now hold on a minute I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore. That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged. If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things number 1 Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault. I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games. I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it. These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things or at least not aware of how much people hate it. then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon. If we make it If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it. After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan. But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked. If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything Number 2 Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously. So best to be safe For the no money in sonic I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06 Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video. And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing. how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version. Number 3 Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works. 4 Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word. 5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games. Just go and do it know So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
@MarvinMartinez20013 жыл бұрын
Cream and Amy’s conversion in the Japanese version is more accurate
@bewearstar94623 жыл бұрын
Sounds much better
@cookieblobber3 жыл бұрын
There's actually an explanation as to why Shadow works with GUN: Shadow saves everybody from Black Doom and the Commander realizes he was wrong about him In the unlocked hard mode of Shadow the Hedgehog, he seemingly goes through training of some sort
"Sonic is destroying the city" "Pfft that's not me" "Sonic has stolen the chaos emerald" "Thats not me!" "Whoah Sonic is flying!" "Gaaaaaaaaaarggghhh"
@AleT1183 жыл бұрын
Hi, SplashDash. It's time for your annual dose of "defending the Dimension concept", coming from people who actually don't even like Forces at all. See, in the SXSW a couple years back, upon being asked about it, it was confirmed by Izuka that Generations caused a timeline split and those timelines happened to be called dimensions. You see, Classic Sonic was never suppossed to be pulled into Generations. There was no Generations in the 90s. Modern Sonic never experienced the events of Generations in his young Classic form. If the two were from the same timeline, Modern Sonic should've experienced it while he was young. As the time itself was fixed by the Sonics at the end of the game, the unity of timelines was impossible to fully repair. Modern Sonic went off to experience Lost World while Classic's whole timeline was scrambled and he would later be in Sonic Mania, a game which Modern Sonic was never able to experience unlike the classic games. This has been my TED talk. I am defending this based in what i'm making sense of it. Please don't comment with "It's not canon unless it was stated in the games". You very well know that the comics build off from the games so well that those may be canon for the games.
@playerback77223 жыл бұрын
Nice
@sboinkthelegday38923 жыл бұрын
I liked this better than the explanation that Kingdom Hearts ruined Donald Duck lore, and now compulsive escapists have their lives ruined by Sony because they let fiction have plot holes.
@marvelfannumber13 жыл бұрын
This explanation has the same problem as the whole Shadow/Hidden Palace Mural connection. It's never stated or implied in the game, so it's just headcanon. I mean, even if one accepts this theory, how the hell does Tails know about it? The last time he saw Classic Sonic was in Generations, when he clearly was Sonic from the past. Then, when Tails sees the same Sonic again, his first thought is: "Oh you're that Sonic from another dimension" and not "Oh you're that Sonic from the past". How does that make sense? Did Tails just randomly have a thought about quantum mechanics the moment he saw Classic Sonic, despite having no reason to do so?
@blackdot1053 жыл бұрын
link?
@AleT1183 жыл бұрын
@@marvelfannumber1 I mean, it's just logic that meeting your future self would influence your own future? Tails is a smart guy just like Eggman who both acknowledge the different dimensions thing. Also, is it just headcanon if it's confirmed?
@blstuff3 жыл бұрын
10:21 “dont even get me started on Sonic 06” Immediately gets started on Sonic 06 :p
@soniboy1803 жыл бұрын
LS mark calls himself the biggest sonic fan. but his friend sure does know a lot more about sonic
@theminecraft25163 жыл бұрын
LSMakr is not a Sonic fan he said Mario Galaxy was better than any Sonic game
@soniboy1803 жыл бұрын
@@theminecraft2516 i cant tell if your joking or not but this is marks channel lol. and mark is a sonic fan. he made a whole channel about sonic lol
@DarkkirbyKRPG3 жыл бұрын
@@soniboy180 Lies, this is LS Mark's friend's channel. Mark said so himself multiple times, come on dude.
@soniboy1803 жыл бұрын
@@DarkkirbyKRPG your joking right? its kinda hard to tell
@blibdo32163 жыл бұрын
@@soniboy180 he's not joking. What is there to joke about.
@bandagedart90413 жыл бұрын
I always thought that Cream was going to say, "Sonic must be really shy."
@Moj19893 жыл бұрын
"And don't get me started on Sonic 06!" he says, immediately swan-diving into Sonic 06.
@Sod1ePop3 жыл бұрын
I hate how Sonic X gave a better explanation to how the moon is no longer in half than izuka himself.
@Solebinku3 жыл бұрын
Mark it means “SOCIETY” if anyone knew Japanese would know that he means world “Society” wise. Just look up the word World in Japanese it has three different meanings, if you read the Sonic Heroes manual it says that Sonic hates discrimination. So clearly they are talking about the society point of view I promise no one really tried to put in effort when they researched this stuff. That’s why you don’t see animals in Sonic X it could be giving that same meaning. The President says in the Japanese version that they could become fully fledged citizens if they want to. And as Sega said they did change things in X to make more sense and something’s are still not cannon. But it makes sense with the context given to us. And editors note CLASSIC SONIC IS NOT FROM A DIFFERENT DIMENSION the Japanese translation in Forces says WORLD, which can also be used in the sense of time dang it. Just put in a little effort on the research and just go off of someone who hasn’t did research to find out anything. I’m not mad at Mark I mad that no one has said this already it’s been 4 years now.
@bobismad13623 жыл бұрын
Eh , it’s still very confusing to follow. SEGA definitely needs to clear up confusion instead of adding to it.
@Solebinku3 жыл бұрын
@@bobismad1362 Yes that's true but I'm just saying well probably not get it because Sonic team doesn't put in effort into making sure things are clear. Like Mark said not good management.
@gamegearvita8173 жыл бұрын
You dropped this king 👑
@Axxidous3 жыл бұрын
I understood this too. Especially since the guy is Japanese and when I hear him speak English, it's apparent that he's translating what he'd normally say in Japanese literally. So I assume the wording means different things than it usually would. I don't perceive "world" as "dimension" or "planet", but just as the world portrayed in that specific game. And Classic Sonic in Generations has obviously experienced things Sonic did not in his past, thus making it a NEO Classic Sonic and a new timeline. That's a whole different world right there. They are adding fuel to the fire by confusing people with their wording, but it IS technically accurate.
@Solebinku3 жыл бұрын
@@Axxidous The timeline hasn’t actually changed to be honest go and look at Sonic Loreposting on Twitter. Where they try to explain how the timeline for the games actually go. And even though he speaks English that interview wasn’t in English itself. There wasn’t a translator error in the interview it was no defined right, he said world but it has 3 different meanings it doesn’t change the word because Japan has different ways of saying the same word. With different pronunciations and tones. He maybe can speak a pretty good English but he’s not writing every script and translating his own interviews.
@TheLastBabyMan3 жыл бұрын
The Archie Comics were alot more consistent in the lore with later issues before the reboot and that's why I prefer them.
@justcallmekai15543 жыл бұрын
Thats great since its a comic. It kinda has to be lol. But I wish the games did the same thing. They have SO much material to work with its crazy.
@TheLastBabyMan3 жыл бұрын
@@justcallmekai1554 If SEGA payed attention to Ian Flynn's talent of a writer earlier and hired him to plot the games, the past ones Would have had more sensible stories.
@sonicstar9173 жыл бұрын
@@TheLastBabyMan Ian Flynn wanted the comics to be more like the games, basically stripping the world of Archie Sonic of its charm.
@charlieharrington95552 жыл бұрын
@@sonicstar917 Flynn’s comics world building had far more charm than Penders’ garbage ever did
@sonicstar9172 жыл бұрын
@@charlieharrington9555 IDW is as shallow as they come. Just surface-level fanservice with all the blatant references (i.e., song lyrics substituted as dialogue, game locations thrown in with no explanation or reason, characters acting like idiots to advance the plot, etc.).
@COZMICETERNITY3 жыл бұрын
FNaF lore: I fear no man.. but that thing,, *The Sonic lore* FNaF lore: _It scares me.._
@AluminumFusion222 жыл бұрын
"Money does not exist in the Sonic universe." Then how does society function in Station Square? Any kind of tangible item that can be exchanged for goods and services is considered money. Are we just expected to believe that Station Square exists as a Tazmily Village-esque metropolis? And isn't one of Rouge's primary character traits her desire for money, and how she (somewhat) overcomes this character flaw to be there for her friends? Why would she work for G.U.N. other to get paid? Why would she be obsessed with jewels and emeralds if they didn't have a chance to be sold for tons of money? Iizuka really doesn't think his responses through.
@GrouchyRaccoon2 жыл бұрын
I can take it as headcanon that Gerald based the ultimate lifeforms off the murals. It had never actually crossed my mind just how similar the Biolizard is to Perfect Chaos, seems like way too much of a coincedence especially with the roar.
@iblobliboo85013 жыл бұрын
Shadow in 06 is the same Shadow in SA2, in the final moments of the final boss of Shadow's game, Eggman says that he saved Shadow with a robot when he was falling to the earth.
@billycastle28243 жыл бұрын
dang imagine like actually having a cohesive franchise will call backs and lore that makes sense couldn't be sega
@narxmagee7273 жыл бұрын
Some of my favourite ones include but are not limited to: -Classic as a whole being from other dimension instead of the past when it was so easy to just say they split after Generations due to the messing with time -Blaze and Eggman Nega going from another dimension or the future whenever the fuck they want -Silver still being here (I love Silver but after 06 why or more so how the fuck is he here) -Shadow's fucking character as a whole and anything surrounding him or the ARK -Money not being a thing except you have three characters LITERALLY almost always talking about the rent -The moon just turning around whenever the fuck it wants somehow -Sonic going to 2 separate worlds without any explanation on how they do that I know most of these were said already but I just wanted to write how stupid some of this is.
@goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын
How we can fix the sonic canon You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on KZbin or on some online chat room like Reddit. Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them. They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account. Now hold on a minute I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore. That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged. If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things number 1 Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault. I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games. I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it. These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things or at least not aware of how much people hate it. then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon. If we make it If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it. After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan. But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked. If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything Number 2 Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously. So best to be safe For the no money in sonic I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06 Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video. And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing. how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version. Number 3 Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works. 4 Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word. 5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games. Just go and do it know So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
@Nov-50623 жыл бұрын
I think 06 is cannon with SA2 and Shadow The Hedgehog. After the events of STH, Shadow decided to leave the past behind, and what's a better way to do so than joining the G.U.N and protect the world? That's why he never talks about the past in this game, yet Mephiles The Dark still tries to reignite his anger towards humanity.
@theonlybilge3 жыл бұрын
Sonic was born on Christmas Island, also called Kiritimati.
@chanceenglish77693 жыл бұрын
"Don't even get me started on 06" Proceededs to talk about 06😂
@backwardsbandit80942 жыл бұрын
Maria has always been canon. Idk why anyone would assume otherwise. I get that the lore about shadows past is so all over the place because they retold it like 3 times in different canon games but shadow not mentioning Maria as much is because his character has developed. Hes made his promise to Maria and hes keeping it by working with sonic. Theres nothing left there to talk about.
@dabluepittoo-aqua42133 жыл бұрын
As much as I want all of this to be fixed, having the franchise be ''soft-rebooted'' makes me scared that games like Sonic 3, Adventure 1 & 2, etc will be erased from canon. If I could soft-boot the franchise, here's what I would do. 1. Some games just aren't canon. Mainly Forces and Lost World because f*ck the Zeti 2. Sonic 06 will be rewritten somewhat, mainly keeping Sonic and Elise as only friends, the Chaos Emeralds unable to cause time travel via Chaos Control, time travel itself being exclusive to Silver heading to the present thanks to Mephelis, Knuckles won't be present as he isn't needed in the story, etc. 3. Eggman Nega is a interdimensional time-travelling criminal, justifying why he's able to screw with both Blaze and Silver 4. Blaze herself was sent to the future after Rush due to the Jewel Scepter being damanged and warping her through time and space to Silver's future. After her sacrifice she's sent back home with Iblis' power staying inside the Scepter. Something like that, I think. I just like the connection Blaze and Silver have. 5. Yes, classic characters are canon. There's no timeline split or classic dimension. After Generations, Classic Sonic and all those impacted by Generations basically forgot the events of Generations and things are restored to normal. 6. Shadow has friends. Screw you Izuka. 7. Hyper forms are canon. After Mecha Sonic's battle with Knuckles destroys Sky Sanctuary outright, Hidden Palace is buried as well including the emerald podiums. This is why Knuckles uses a different emerald shrine for the Master Emerald and thus why the emeralds can't be powered up. If the Hidden Palace was unearthed again, Mecha Sonic could possibly be freed. 8. After Egg Revivre, Sonic got sent to Angel Island and the events of Mania Adventures begins. After the Christmas Special, Heavy Magician comes out of hiding with her having possesion of the Phantom Ruby all along and Encore Mode commences. 9. Money exists. Screw you again Izuka. 10. After 06, Silver contains a reminiscent of Mephiles' power, but due to only having a small bit of it, he can only time travel in 200 year intervals. As time still moves forward, his future is exactly 200 year intervals ahead of Sonic's. 11. Amy's characterisation in games like Heroes and Battle is rewritten a bit so that she's less of a prick and more in-line with SA1 and 2. Same with Shadow in his game. 12. www.deviantart.com/majinssketchbook/art/Sonic-World-Map-748463079 This is Sonic's world. Just ONE world (aside from Blaze's dimension). It's generally called Earth like in SA2, but also goes by Mobius. Aside from the Lost Hex and any locations shown in Forces, this map is what happened. So that means Green Hill isn't on the god damn mainland like it WAS IN FORCES AHHHHHHHHHHH 13. Screw you Izuka.
@TheMasonfrom3R3 жыл бұрын
I like this, it makessense, and works out. Nice! 👍,
@chrisprattofficial3 жыл бұрын
it's good and all, but... we need orbot and cubot to stay
@littlemissdeadly24papyrus363 жыл бұрын
@@chrisprattofficial yeah Eggman plays good off those two so they stay
@sonicstar9173 жыл бұрын
Did Iizuka himself say that Shadow has no friends or that Sonic's world has no money, or did you hear that from Ian Flynn?
@goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын
How we can fix the sonic canon You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on KZbin or on some online chat room like Reddit. Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them. They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account. Now hold on a minute I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore. That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged. If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things number 1 Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault. I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games. I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it. These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things or at least not aware of how much people hate it. then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon. If we make it If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it. After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan. But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked. If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything Number 2 Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously. So best to be safe For the no money in sonic I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06 Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video. And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing. how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version. Number 3 Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works. 4 Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word. 5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games. Just go and do it know So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
@Blazio3 жыл бұрын
Confusing is an understatement.
@jeremygaming22873 жыл бұрын
I swear the Sonic lore is more confusing than the FNaF lore now
@DanielFerreira-ez8qd3 жыл бұрын
@Chip Wiseman You couldn't be more wrong
@ligtningdog63993 жыл бұрын
@Chip Wiseman No, the FNAF is intentionally confusing to keep people guessing/interested. The Sonic Lore is confusing because they retcon everything.
@Izhen_UwU3 жыл бұрын
The simpsons lore is the most confusing lore,they got they past,but they get they present timeline for more than 20 years...
@goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын
How we can fix the sonic canon You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on KZbin or on some online chat room like Reddit. Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them. They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account. Now hold on a minute I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore. That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged. If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things number 1 Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault. I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games. I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it. These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things or at least not aware of how much people hate it. then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon. If we make it If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it. After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan. But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked. If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything Number 2 Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously. So best to be safe For the no money in sonic I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06 Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video. And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing. how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version. Number 3 Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works. 4 Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word. 5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games. Just go and do it know So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
@Mirage12092 жыл бұрын
And Kingdom Hearts
@bigwingedkuriboh3 жыл бұрын
In Shadow’s expert mode, which you get after getting all A ranks and collectibles, you go through the stages again with new dialogue and the gun commander invites him to have a talk, we can link this to Shadow going gun pretty neatly.
@squabblecat3 жыл бұрын
11:30 You could argue that Shadow working for G.U.N. is his own way of fulfilling Maria's wish to save/help the people of Earth (I personally really like this idea a lot).
@PosthumanHeresy2 жыл бұрын
11:37 Tbh, Shadow's own game makes him joining GUN actually make a degree of sense. The GUN Commander no longer hates him, he sided with GUN during the intergalactic war, and he was the hero that saved everyone rather than Sonic. Plus the raid that killed Maria was over 50 years ago, so everyone responsible is dead. The GUN Commander is the only connection to his past left alive, so it would even make sense for them to connect. Both are survivors of the genocide on the ARK, both cared for Maria, and both spent a long time deeply traumatized with a hate-boner for each other.
@KavinCatastrophe3 жыл бұрын
When it comes to blaze easy answer. Time moves differently in her dimension. That why she able to be in the future. But clearly it doesn't compare to the genius answer that is " Everyone had Amnesia".
@ItsKaraBowdit3 жыл бұрын
Im so happy someone else made the connection between the Super Sonic mural in Hidden Palace and the creation of Shadow. Like yeah it probably wasnt intentional BUT choosing to use it as a thread to connect the lore just works really well.
@super-balltoucher73523 жыл бұрын
Tails said that "different dimensions" bullshit in generations too. I think tails is just confused at this point
@rye75893 жыл бұрын
6:10 this has always been my headcanon for why shadow is so similar to sonic, since story wise, there's really no reason why they would be so similar
@playerback77223 жыл бұрын
Hmm
@ArendAlphaEagle3 жыл бұрын
6:40 there's a symbol within that Solaris-like symbol on the Tram Sonic Racing track that resembles Blaze the Cat's head. Perhaps a reference to Silver's ending in Sonic 06 in which Blaze sacrifices herself to contain Iblis?
@megamatt97593 жыл бұрын
I heard a theory that the reason tails says classic sonic was from a different dimension was that the classic timeline was split by the events of generations. One where classic grows up to be modern sonic and the other one that experiences mania and forces.
@floatsyourgoats62003 жыл бұрын
That adds up and it's what I've been trying to tell myself for years, but I know in my heart that modern Sonic Team (or at least Pontac and Graff) wouldn't even put that much thought into being consistent.
@taxisalad3 жыл бұрын
Actually, there's a review of Sonic '06 that perfectly explains it's place in the continuity, with it being the end of Shadow's arc! It actually made me a fan of certain aspects of '06, I heavily suggest it!
@wayverleesoulsong3 жыл бұрын
Me: Sees Shadow in the thumbnail falling to earth before seeing or reading anything else Me: already crying
@MiniBlackWaltz3 жыл бұрын
With teeth like that, you'd think Izuka would know the repercussions of not taking proper care of something
@TheEmeraldBlaziken2 жыл бұрын
I honestly think it’s easier for me to follow the Sonic lore without including 06 cause the reset at the end meant nothing happened anyway, so I don’t think it’s crucial to include that game when it basically never happened. That’s why I still consider Blaze to be from a different dimension.
@traditurmachina31932 жыл бұрын
This is the BEST in-depth look at the franchise’s lore I have seen on KZbin. How does this not have more views? Thank you SO MUCH!
@Nullaccount693 жыл бұрын
Nothing and everything is canon at the same time
@Doctor_Odin3 жыл бұрын
So Schrodinger’s Canon LOL
@Nullaccount693 жыл бұрын
@@Doctor_Odin exactly
@reaganoliver54013 жыл бұрын
I can explain every single one of these issues...... translation errors
@goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын
How we can fix the sonic canon You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on KZbin or on some online chat room like Reddit. Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them. They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account. Now hold on a minute I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore. That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged. If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things number 1 Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault. I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games. I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it. These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things or at least not aware of how much people hate it. then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon. If we make it If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it. After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan. But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked. If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything Number 2 Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously. So best to be safe For the no money in sonic I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06 Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video. And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing. how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version. Number 3 Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works. 4 Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word. 5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games. Just go and do it know So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
@fenixtizio4523 жыл бұрын
"a space road? A portal? The train to the mystic ruins?"
@naughtmouth9781 Жыл бұрын
Sonic fans: can you make lore make sense Izuka: no
@MiltonGagliardi3 жыл бұрын
I remember when this franchise was just about a little hedgehog running around destroying robots
@majixajinxix12chartdisplay333 жыл бұрын
From all I can personally interpret from Shadow being a G.U.N. agent in Sonic 06 is that he forgave G.U.N. for Gerald, the other scientists, and Maria's death and decided that he will work for them to protect the world supposedly...? That's all I can get from it. We all have different interpretations for the blue blur's lore just to fill some stuff missing.
@PosthumanHeresy2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and that makes sense from GUN's side since the Commander stopped hating Shadow. Since they share a childhood experience and home, they're practically family. It makes sense for them to gravitate to each other. Nobody else truly can connect with either of them on their pasts' except for each other.
@danikvelocity31203 жыл бұрын
11:19 There is an issue in the Archie comics were Shadow explains to Gamma why he joined GUN. Since he decided to move on from the past, he saw the benefits of joining GUN (Access to information and publicly restricted areas, A place to stay if he needs it, etc.) I took this as the reason why he joined GUN in 06 but I wish they mentioned at least something similar to avoid people complaining.
@TheBeaverhouse3 жыл бұрын
> You have no idea how much of this lore has only been explained in interviews * Laughs in BIONICLE *
@marleymelon28893 жыл бұрын
i'm a big fan of continuity, this makes me weep.
@matthewhyman22082 жыл бұрын
That theorectical Shadow callback is fucking brilliant
@GirlLove4Ever3 жыл бұрын
Imagine for the next game, they just straight up say "Everything after this game isn't cannon". Never will, but that's the dream universe I want a part of.
@CarvedDaWarped3 жыл бұрын
Ditto
@goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын
How we can fix the sonic canon You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on KZbin or on some online chat room like Reddit. Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them. They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account. Now hold on a minute I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore. That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged. If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things number 1 Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault. I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games. I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it. These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things or at least not aware of how much people hate it. then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon. If we make it If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it. After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan. But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked. If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything Number 2 Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously. So best to be safe For the no money in sonic I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06 Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video. And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing. how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version. Number 3 Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works. 4 Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word. 5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games. Just go and do it know So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
@futurevisionarchives39953 жыл бұрын
I know this was 4 months ago, but the continuity for Shadow the Hedgehog - S06 is addressed in the Hard Mode hero missions in Shadow the Hedgehog where it seems like that's post game training missions for GUN
@theminecraft25163 жыл бұрын
Hear me out.... Sonic in *SPACE*
@connortremmel3 жыл бұрын
No it's sonic zombies if you remember it
@ghettokage61043 жыл бұрын
He’s been in space before, but a whole GAME revolving around it.. GENIUS
@theminecraft25163 жыл бұрын
@@ghettokage6104 I just remembered Sonic Colors exists.....
@ghettokage61043 жыл бұрын
@@theminecraft2516 shit
@henrimation54563 жыл бұрын
Modern sonic in sonic heroes book: 15 years old. Classic sonic in sonic jam book: 16 years old. Me: *Visible Confusion*
@lynxfresh52143 жыл бұрын
Yup Sonic ages backwards (which considering how screwed up the continuity is) makes sense lol!
@rynobehnke82893 жыл бұрын
I guess its noteworthy that Sonic Jam's Japanese version list sonic as 15-16 rather than just 16 for some odd reasons.
@goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын
How we can fix the sonic canon You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on KZbin or on some online chat room like Reddit. Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them. They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account. Now hold on a minute I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore. That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged. If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things number 1 Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault. I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games. I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it. These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things or at least not aware of how much people hate it. then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon. If we make it If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it. After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan. But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked. If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything Number 2 Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously. So best to be safe For the no money in sonic I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06 Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video. And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing. how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version. Number 3 Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works. 4 Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word. 5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games. Just go and do it know So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
@pedronerd81163 жыл бұрын
Retcon, and the japanese version of jam saying he is around 15 to 16
@blackdot1053 жыл бұрын
*sigh* Used to be so simple, until a certain SOMEONE decided to ruin it...
@SonicMightCouch Жыл бұрын
8:40 Sonic uses teleportation rings, which was established in the Sonic Movie 9:32 Tails misspoke, and he was going to correct himself, but he figured it was too late 11:11 Frontiers reestablished its canonicity 12:07 If 06 was reestablished as canon, it meant that the ending changed, where Elise didn’t blow out the Flames of Disaster 12:37: im gonna cry
@slashingkatie78723 жыл бұрын
One thing often not mentioned in the “Sonic Lore” was the fallout after the Ken Penders lawsuit which wiped many of the Archie Sonic characters out of existence. After the whole mess Sega got super strict with what Sonic characters could do. THESE ARE REAL. Sonic can’t cry. Sonic cant lose. No one can have family members (save for someone like Vanilla) Mobius can’t be mentioned. And a bunch of other weird stuff. So yeah if you’re upset about the mess that is Sonic lore and tone, you have old Penders to thank. Hence why he’s the most hated person in Sonic fandom.
@benji777tm3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit your theory of how Gerald came up with both of the Ultimate Lifeform designs has been my headcanon for years.
@telekinesticman3 жыл бұрын
I kinda like Ian Flynn's idea of unifying the series together and breaking down all the stupid barriers. No more different timelines, dimensions, planets, just all the characters together on the same Earth. Humans mixing with animal characters like it always used to be.
@goldenboybenny75113 жыл бұрын
How we can fix the sonic canon You know for all the complaining we do online about sonic we never actually use the ways we can actually use any of the outlets that can actually change anything What I mean by that is when people complain about there no money in sonics world or how team dark are not friends and all that it is usually on KZbin or on some online chat room like Reddit. Places where sonic team are never going to see or here are complaints or places where they can at least pretend to ignore them. They never actually go to the sonic Twitter or Takashi Izuka’s Facebook account. Now hold on a minute I do not want you to just go complaining to Takashi Izuka about how everything wrong with sonic is his fault and demanding he change this or that in the lore. That would just make him want to ignore your complaints and have them less likely to be agnolaged. If we want him to listen to our opinions on why we need to do a few things number 1 Put non of the blame on Izuka and be polite and nice I am not saying be a suck up to him that could be off putting but I think he would be more willing to listen if you are polite to him and don’t treat him as everything is his fault. I would recommend starting with the words “are you aware that someone working for saga stated” insert your problem with canon here and explain why you think it contradicts what has been established in previous sonic games. I honestly don’t approve putting all the blame on Izuka when a lot of the claims like Team Dark are not friends are not made by him and he might not even be aware of it sonic is a big franchise I doubt he knows everything that is going on in it. These claims could come from anyone at saga and If Takashi Izuka is not aware of these things or at least not aware of how much people hate it. then if he became aware of it and realize how much people don’t like it he is one of the few people at saga who has the power to change the canon. If we make it If enough people make statements on his Facebook about how they don’t like it and how they think it contradicts canon then he might be willing to change it. After all he stated sonic was only as fast as light but when a fan posted him evidence that sonic is faster then light he said good reasearch suggesting he agreed with the fan. But if you go in putting the blame on him for these things he will be less willing to listen because he might feel he is the one who is being attacked. If you ask him politely “are you aware it has been stated by someone working for saga” that money dose not exist in sonics world and then give good point out how this contradicts canon I believe he will listen as long as you are nice and don’t suggest that anything Number 2 Give good reasons for how this contradicts canon and show examples If your reasoning is just that Well I don’t like it so it is bad then I don’t know about Izuka but I would not take you seriously. So best to be safe For the no money in sonic I would provide pictures of all the shops in sonic games particularly in sonic world adventure and sonic 06 Or how all the casinos in sonic really don’t make sense without money Or how there are dolar bills seen in sonic adventure 2 rouges level Or how we see coins in sonic adventure casino And non of that stuff come from me I got it from this video. And Finnally I would point out the times money was actually mentioned in sonic the times vector mentioned money about how a cash prose was mentioned in team sonic racing. how yen was mentioned in sonic colours the Japanese version. Number 3 Post it on his facebook where everyone can see it is more likely to respond if others can see it and it gets attention Don’t do him so only he can see it I know from experience that rarely works. 4 Make sure others do the same so it get as much attention as possible so please spread the word. 5 stop reading this and just do it go out and post something on Facebook asking Izuka if he is aware this stuff is being stated by someone working for saga and explain why you think it contradicts what was established in previous sonic games. Just go and do it know So to all those interested in my suggestions go just
@thabreez45611 ай бұрын
The “why does shadow work for GUN thing” is probably one of the most overlooked lore elements by fans. You see in shadow’s game post game dialogue from the GUN commander very clearly states that shadow has made amends with them and is now working with them, which is his way of putting his past behind him. This is one aspect of the lore that isn’t something Izuka or the fans made up in retrospect this is actually a abridged piece of lore without any contradictions
@K9jp8406kane2 жыл бұрын
Because of that SA2 Eclipse Cannon blast was so strong it gave the moon a Temporary Rotation, that’s my best guess…
@Pyromaniax2 жыл бұрын
Guess the movies are the reboot that we needed
@ahmadkazan2173 жыл бұрын
Sonic continuty makes Zelda lore look easy.
@vesperdxn3 жыл бұрын
The one good thing about Izuka is that whenever someone makes a British dentistry joke I remember him and suddenly I'm no longer offended
@yasscool1013 жыл бұрын
Before Iizuka was the Head of Sonic Team in 2010 , Aknori Nishiyama was the Head of Sonic Team from March 2006 -2009.He was the script writer of Sonic Adventure and the Director of Sonic Advance 1-3 and Rush .This was before Sonic was Like Mario .Back then he was like a Shonen Anime .This was Iizukas fault with the Bad writing and horrible answers about Questions. I Love the Days when Naka or Akinori was the Head of Sonic Team.
@superhedgehog64473 жыл бұрын
I miss when sonic was a shonen anime :,(
@_veloxity915 ай бұрын
Thank God that Iizuka's mistakes are slowly but surely being retconned recently.