Sonic Lost World Is Fundamentally Flawed

[@Hypershadic23]

If Sonic Lost World was based on Jack and the Bean Stalk and Alice in Wonderland, does that make this the third storybook game?

[@p3p07]

Probably

[@LilXancheX]

No because he’s not a book pages or anything like that. Plus the beanstalk isn’t that good anyways. I really want a book about sonic and the Vikings or something like that. Or sonic and the messiah

[@loljay3281]

on because this is canon. The red big bady (dont even care about his name) appears in Forces so.... it is f u c k i n g canon.

[@kieranstark7213]

*List of games of the Sonic Storybook trilogy* 1. Sonic Storybook 1: Sonic and the Secret Rings 2. Sonic Storybook 2: Sonic and the Black Knight 3. Sonic Storybook 3: Sonic Lost World

[@dip.918]

@@loljay3281 Storybooks are canon too. The IDW comics are canon sequels to Forces, includes Zavok, and makes an explicit reference to Secret Rings. Sonic mentions being used to being a liability from past experiences, with silhouettes art of Werehog and himself with the chest fire behind him.

[@camo6465]

“Moral of the story: fire Ken Pontac and Warren Graff” Boy do I have some good news for you!

[@roboticjanitor3332]

Bonus points for their replacement having an amazing track record with Sonic characterization (except Shadow, but that's more the fault of Izuka's mandates). Seriously Iann Flynn has made some people LIKE the Zeti! They're undeniably still one note, but that one note is played *much* better imo, especially Zavok.

[@christosdoesthings]

@@roboticjanitor3332 he wrote shadow just fine on Archie, i think there are some limitations now for the way the characters should be written

[@tonys6620]

moral of story: Never let anyone named Ken P. write for Sonic

[@zaikage386]

Lmfao 😂

[@PhantomOfficial07]

Ken Penders wrote Lost World?

[@solarfiringtiger4254]

@@PhantomOfficial07 Ken Pontac

[@PhantomOfficial07]

@@solarfiringtiger4254 Oh shit. It makes sense now

[@solarfiringtiger4254]

@@PhantomOfficial07 Sonic the hedgehog, the curse of the Ken

[@mightbetoad6786]

"There are sonic games I think most people can agree are without a doubt bad" "Sonic adventure 2" There is something very wrong with that statement

[@verticaldorito]

When I heard that I was like “now hold up”

[@Darkfawfulx]

It's a FedEx joke you'll get it tomorrow. Though in all seriousness I personally don't like SA2 but I don't think it's designed bad nor do I fault people for liking it. Just not my cup of tea.

[@mightbetoad6786]

yeah, I was just saying that its one of the highest rated sonic games. Most people do not think it is bad

[@AarturoSc]

There’s many things wrong with what he says, starting with thinking there are good Sonic games LMAO

[@mightbetoad6786]

@@AarturoSc why are you on a channel about sonic if you don't like any of the games

[@fgntaco7374]

Splashdash: BuT SpLaShDaSh Dumbsville: am I joke to you

[@jaccblacc8424]

I thought Cybershell is the one who started the "But *insert channel's name*..." thing?

[@flameconvoy7424]

@@jaccblacc8424 I think the completionist did it first

[@radiokunio3738]

BuT FgH TaCo MuMkEy JoNeS DiD It FiRsT

[@bageltoo]

LSMark: “I’ll have her home by 8:30, Sir” SplashDash: “You’ll get her when I’m done with her”

[@thavidu78]

Storywise it was just *weird.* It felt like it was going weirdly dark for some reason, like with Eggman's faked death, Tails being fake roboted, and Sonic's friends dying while he considers giving up. It's like the second darkest game to Shadow the Hedgehog and that shit had Shadow murdering Eggman.

[@austinreed7343]

And the music and visuals didn’t even change to match the story.

[@SuperMechSonic]

The story of this game looks like they reused the ova story

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

Did you... Forget the whole child murder and execution in sa2? The dark tone isn't the problem it's that it's not consistent.

[@chrange9714]

@@austinreed7343 Okay.......they don't have to.

[@austinreed7343]

@@chrange9714 But if they did, they would sell the story better. Thinking about it, this game really is the absolute darkest in the franchise; we have Zeti being tortured by Eggman and then psychologically manipulated by Zavok, then Sonic, rather than bringing hope, bullies them further and destroys them.

[@Mystic-Aidan]

I think the reason they keep bringing back the Zeti is because they want to make them like the Koopalings in Mario. Simple bosses, easily recognizable, easy to shove into any game.

[@superhedgehog6447]

Sega needs to stop being Nintendo

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

Shitty bosses, generic and forgettable Koopalings rip-offs, no one remembers them. Wow, it's like SEGA can't realize that shit copies of something else don't work even if you keep shoving them into people's throats.

[@YTSirBlack]

Daniele Mulas first of all, they ain't forgotten, second, you better watch your mouth

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

@@YTSirBlack First of all, just because SEGA crams this shit everywhere doesn't mean everyone remembers. Second, who tf are you to bark orders at me ? Crawl back to your kindergarten.

[@YTSirBlack]

@@DanieleMulas-up7np i am no longer in the kindergarten for so long, so, i guess you know about what the netiquette is.

[@DaSheepKiller]

"Takashi Iizuka wanted to take Sonic in a new direction" In other news, grass is green.

[@MicklePickle]

0:08 I still have scars from the first time you said it, SplashDash, do not harm me like this again.

[@Princess_Loaf_]

Sonic Team: we don’t want to use the chaos emeralds Also Sonic Team: hehe Wisp go brrrrrrrrrrrr

[@truearea53]

I can see Sonic team are weak minded fools now and not as good as they used to be. They really gotta learn from Christian white that made a real Sonic game, known as Mania

[@omaegaa]

Oh hey LS Mark's "friend." You guys have so much in common!

[@czms922]

Sprite also it’s deaf not braindead

[@Tired_Onyx]

Czms922 r/woooosh

[@czms922]

Joel Cardona Reddit karma 100, Big chungus, floor gang, T series Bad pewdiepie good, yo do you get your news on Reddit too, Hahahahaha can’t wait to get an upvote

[@johanjohan5881]

they sound exactly the same lol

[@czms922]

Shy Guy 0124 oh right, Also Do you get your news from Fox that’s yucky I get my news from r/ reddit news

[@TheJadeFist]

It is still my personal belief that Sonic Lost World was supposed to be a Colours sequel, and the Lost World or Lost Hex the game takes place in was one of the planets from Eggman's amusing park in space. But for some strange reason they decided to just forget Colours despite the game obviously taking heavy inspiration from it. The Zeti could have been wisps gone bad or corrupted by Eggman's exploitation of them, and thus making a direct consequence of his actions that he now has to deal with.

[@ninlaw9810]

@Akieboy Gaming 5

[@ghhn4505]

@Akieboy Gaming bro they literally had corrupted wisps already it doesn't matter lmao

[@giroandkarin2822]

Not gonna lie, I always thought this game was a sequal to Sonic Colors until about 5 years ago

[@ninlaw9810]

2024

[@spaceghost566]

The one thing I did like about this game where the crossover stages, the Zelda one had this really cool open field that you could explore. With you being able to open up paths that you could go through. If lost world was more like that, I think people would like it more. Anyway, good video Cybershell's child.

[@HruMan360]

I wonder what was your reaction to Frontiers

[@YuzuMelodious]

Yea, this is where Pontac & Graff's shtick started to get really old. If they were just writing for spin-offs, it be less of an issue but sadly it's not a case here. Probably the weirdest part of this game character-wise is the fact that Amy wasn't acting constantly clingy over Sonic and her genuine kindness for animals like the bird from Sonic Adventure had returned yet was still reduced to the sidelines with Knuckles of all people.

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

>Implying the horse crap from Colors like "bAlDiE McNoEShAir" or "hOw AbOuT We Go AnD ReCeDe EgGmAn's HaIrLinE HOOBA DOOBA" didn't get old from the getgo Also, Amy has been reduced to a useless cardboard like everyone else.

[@YuzuMelodious]

@@DanieleMulas-up7np I wasn't defending Colors & Generations stories/writing. Oh and btw thats why I literally said "reduced to the sidelines". No need to repeat what I said.

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

@@YuzuMelodious That's good to know

[@inendlesspain4724]

It isn't weird at all... considering that the current writers don't know or care about how the Sonic cast was like in past games, or in general. At this point every character in the franchise has been turned into an almost complete blankslate of a character, or flanderized beyond recognition. And don't even expect anything meaningful from the Adventure games to come back in the current games like character traits; Tails's portrayal in Forces showed me that nobody at Sega knows anymore who these characters really are.

[@Mepphy99]

@@inendlesspain4724 It pains so much how true this comment

[@gwimbly519]

Disliking the art style is not a fundamental flaw. Its personal opinion dude

[@driveasandwich6734]

That "Sonic goes to bizarro-world" idea could just be a game set in the Special Zone.

[@NiceLadSM]

Honestly the dessert level being in the desert world is pretty clever ngl

[@shady9044]

Hey SplashDash I asked your friend LS Mark why you aren’t in his Discord server and he said you guys aren’t friends anymore, what happened

[@sergiorubens8475]

@pot p splashdash and ls mark are the sme person and splash dash being ls mark's friend is a running gag

[@tuser8]

@@sergiorubens8475 joke

[@sergiorubens8475]

@@tuser8 i know i just explained to them

[@tuser8]

​@@sergiorubens8475 Oh shoot I missed pot p's comment

[@sergiorubens8475]

@@tuser8 its fine

[@yetravellingsonc8372]

Generations' classic world design: Takes cues from the original while making it fit in with the modern half of the game; Realistic, yet still carrying the unique concepts of the OG. Lost world: g e o m e t r y.

[@naturalace5375]

The Deadly Six are just the Koopalings and Bowser. They’re supposed to be based from oni which are Japanese ogres or demons, but no fans ever would have known about that because Japanese Yōkai is SO goddamn obscure in the west.

[@Mepphy99]

Yokai watch was created before Sonic Lost world, so i Guess that could have helped? Deadly SIX are still shit tho, and why the hell they rappresent the Seven deadly Sins if they are Ogre

[@moofusgoofus]

This entire game is just Mario but you go fast

[@tiruliru1189]

@@moofusgoofus Correction: The entire game is POORMAN'S Mario, except you go fast.

[@thefollower2933]

@@moofusgoofus calling this a Mario game is an insult to all other Mario games.

[@moofusgoofus]

@@thefollower2933 true

[@spaceghost566]

Hey sorry for the doulbe-post but your dad is back from the store.

[@starkiller6tothe9gaming81]

What took so long

[@churupinha3510]

Mine's still in prison :(

[@g74hz]

Mine is still at the airport

[@Mynti_Dragon]

Impossible

[@VioletVGVilla]

Screw firing the writers they're just the symptom, we gotta fire Iizuka.

[@xhouston5663]

Say SA2 is good or ill expose your true identity

[@HutchIsOnYT]

It’s mid

[@TheT3rr0rMask]

-mechanics that dont work -enemy designs that dont work with Sonic's abilities -no explanation on how to execute certain mechanics -pitiful boss designs -most boring antagonists in the series -difficulty based on poor design -empty boring gameplay when it works Kinda hate this game. Was irritated during my entire playthrough. Least the graphics and music were great

[@unknownwill4th549]

@SpiteHook Ratio for ignorance

[@galaxion2857]

the final boss music was decent though.

[@cypher838]

All those points describe sonic heroes to me

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

@@cypher838 no explanation? The gigantic signs and repeated voice lines aren't enough? boring antagonist? Metal sonic is great. mechanics don't work with sonic? You have a team

[@s1mon512]

you just suck at the parkour mechanics thats why you think it sucks

[@ultrasphoenix]

“Shadow The Hedgehog & Sonic Adventure 2 are obviously trash games” Me: So you’ve choose death huh

[@MegaVirus700]

SA2 was good but Shadow the hedgehog was hot trash. I loved it, but it was trash

[@ultrasphoenix]

@@MegaVirus700 I enjoyed it because shadow really never gets love anymore from Sega and them making that was just amazing for me

[@MegaVirus700]

@@ultrasphoenix i guess if you don't really mind how he was portrayed. Shadow wasn't evil or selfish like that game portrayed him to be

[@ultrasphoenix]

@@MegaVirus700 Yeah true

[@truearea53]

@@MegaVirus700 Shadow the hedgehog was not bad. Not good but not all bad. It’s lost world and forces that are utter hot garbage

[@reeltimeoffical]

You sound a lot like LSMark, you and him collaborate together! *wink*

[@JudgementSkull]

ikr

[@Sonic_the_hedgedog]

They are the same person

[@zhipcomics3001]

Sonic the Werehog r/wooosh

[@JudgementSkull]

@@Sonic_the_hedgedog . bruh get out

[@bucketbutters866]

Dear gosh that pfp is one of the most crused things i've seen

[@andrewb6194]

I’m still sad that this game wasn’t about Sonic encountering dinosaurs…

[@Sonickuforever]

Sonic unleashed was and is an amazing game. Playing it 12 years later and still loving it. PS3.. the Wii version wasn’t so bad though.

[@symbiote1982pk]

It was half an amazing game and half a shit god of war knockoff.

[@sgoc9499]

@@symbiote1982pk i couldnt disagree more,i say unleashed is a total Masterpiece, probably the Best game on the series,both on PS3/360 and PS2/Wii And before you say anything about not having played the other games,i did,i played all the mainline games up until generations,exept colors wii,and enjoyed unleashed the most. Great gameplay, soundtrack, graphics,level design, everything great exept framerate on the HD versión

[@thefollower2933]

And then there's I, who likes sonic and the black Knight.

[@thelvadam5834]

@@thefollower2933 nice

[@KingGoji54]

Bro, same

[@Syner_7]

I feel the 3DS version of Sonic Lost World is superior tbh. I only ever see people talk about the Wii U version. I’d like you to cover it one day

[@blackdot105]

I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking that. The level design is so much better than the Wii U version, more traditional and fast paced. Even the parkour is better. Some people thought the levels were too long but I never personally had an issue with length.

[@nosemeocurrenadax]

look guys, i agree with both of you, but it only applies to like 5 levels, and the rest are either plagued by overuse of a gimmick (like the snowman level) or a wisp (like the casino level with asteroid) that being said the sky road act where you ride on rockets, run while avoiding the dragons fire and in some cases can only access certain shortcuts and powerups by outrunning him is genuinely generations levels of extremely good level design

[@zacariasvelazquez8400]

Im the only person that actually loves the 3ds version

[@megasoniczxx]

Nice to see another fan of the 3DS version :) On top of everything else, I really liked the special stages in the game although I can't deny that they probably would've been better if they had traditional controls since I don't know how I would've played them without a swivel chair.

[@sakurachan1145]

I mostly agree. Level design on the 3DS gets really atrocious. On Wii U it's still bad time to time but you have a Yoshi and Zelda stage at least. There's literally one level on 3DS where you have to slowly move as an asteroid for several minutes. But the 3DS version has proper special stages. Some bosses are better on 3DS. Although forgettable, I'd say the soundtrack on 3DS is actually better.

[@churupinha3510]

It's depressing that Sega has completely lost grasp of what this series even is anymore to the point of trying to replicate the Classic aesthetic and coming up with the disgrace that is this game's artstyle.

[@GetShrekd]

this game is literally beautiful

[@lozm4835]

If I had a dollar for every time Sega hired a bad writer who openly doesn't play Sonic named 'Ken' to write for Sonic, I'd have two dollars. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird such a specific scenario happened twice.

[@saltystick_99]

I'm a broken record with this, but seriously Add momentum/physics, remove the run button, make the levels _actual_ Sonic levels instead of this Mario Galaxy bullshit And you seriously have a good engine that might potentially be on par with the Adventure engine

[@Onaterdem]

There are level mods, but you are right, different levels+actual momentum based physics with this same gameplay could be incredible.

[@hydrorobot6610]

Honestly, i think the 3ds version captures the same feeling as the adventure engine in some levels, shame that because those levels are pretty short and also one of them has you pushing fruit

[@white-eyesbluedragon1767]

@@hydrorobot6610 honestly it sometimes feels slippery and they need to remove gyro controls

[@hydrorobot6610]

@@white-eyesbluedragon1767 yeah, I agree, honestly, I loved the gyro controls but I can see why people wanted normal ones, there was some instances where I wanted those lol (Car trips and stuff)

[@Mepphy99]

In the Lost hex actually makes sense the game Is Galaxy like ... The world Is floating, the physic Should be fucked and the run button Is there because the levels are damn Mario copy But yeah in normal game they really Need to put some physics

[@justinc.5591]

I still think Sonic Boom would be a mediocre game even if it was on PS4 and Xbox. Even without the glitches the game is just kinda boring.

[@theutubepower1243]

Rise of lyric had a bunch of stuff cut out when ported to wii u. It might have been good with all the things that was removed added back.

[@robertlupa8273]

@@theutubepower1243 Yeah if Sega didn't screw it over in almost every way, it could've been at least decent.

[@Nativefall]

Not even 20 seconds in...and im like "Wow...sonic adventure 2"

[@theminecraft2516]

I think this game is good like 7/10 good, but it’s a step in the wrong direction At least I can actually play LostWorld unlike the automation that is Forces But the story and artstyle is still garbage

[@modernnerd5592]

How? The game literally plays itself. (I’m talking about Sonic Forces btw)

[@modernnerd5592]

I’m talking about how Sonic Forces literally plays itself! That’s the joke!

[@theminecraft2516]

Ohhhhh Now I get the joke!

[@JudgementSkull]

@@modernnerd5592 I was confused the joke was edited in lol

[@Sydney_Angelyt]

And Forces 2 got debunked

[@FletcherReedsRandomness]

Lost World’s story was the only one actually written by Pontac and Graff themselves. For Colors, Generations, and Forces, the stories were written by the team in Japan, and Pontac and Graff were brought in for the jokes, but for this one, they were given free rein. That’s why I find it weird that this is the only game they’ve had a hand in that actually attempts character drama, even if it didn’t work.

[@blackdot105]

I personally think the 3DS version is worth a try. The levels are designed more traditionally and are faster paced. Parkour is also better imo.

[@sebastienholmes548]

Until the 3rd world.

[@boogieboy4161]

Aww man, I wish my ""friend"" sounded just like me

[@Finfection]

This was the first modern 3D Sonic game where I felt like the gameplay was able to spiritually match the momentum based feel from the Mega Drive games. Like, I don't mean that it plays like the mega drive games, but I mean it actually gave Sonic a sense of momentum and control not really seen in any of the other 3D games that just had you shifting lanes or boosting through obstacles. The run button was actually pretty smart since it allowed you to precisely control Sonic's movements. And the spindash is pretty powerful in general in this game. I remember around release the reviews for the game were pretty interesting. It got shit on by critics in the USA, but international reviews favored it pretty well. I recall there being a small meme where IGN America gave it a really low score while all the international divisions of IGN across the world gave it much higher scores. I would have loved to see a sequel or successor released that improves this gameplay style. If you took this same exact gameplay style and put it in an open world setting where you can traverse nearly anything as Sonic, I think it would do pretty well.

[@WuhHuh]

and then Frontiers blessed us with an unlockable spindash

[@greythomas5113]

You know you beeped up when kirby has more consistent lore

[@SJC82]

9:00 so, one time i was talking to someone about sonic lost world, and they asked me "what do you like about the game?" and i responded with "the controls" and then they responded with "sonic with a run button? bruh" i'm really fucking sick of people judging lost world based on this one control change they added.

[@thefollower2933]

"And then zavok rips off every Mario game by becoming giant" Mario games: *over 200* Number of games where bowser becomes giant as the final boss: 3

[@RandomUser8P]

Most people: “SA2 is better than Heroes!” SplashDash and Mark: “Heroes is better than SA2” Me: “SA2 and Heroes are both equally flawed”

[@FoxCunt]

Me: "Both are boring after the first level and sucks"

[@MysticPhantm]

me: Somehow gets annoyed even though this is a joke

[@Banana807]

Agree, like heroes is flawed from the start bc of the fact well, you have to play the exact same game like 4 times ans some levels drag on too much, and SA2 the only good parts of gameplay are the speed stages while the rest are either mediocre or tedious

[@robertlupa8273]

@@MysticPhantm me with most jokes that make fun of one side (or even both sides, like "nooo/haha go brr" meme)

[@NezumiVA]

To be fair, the Deadly Six in IDW Sonic is basically the most interesting they've ever gotten. Ian definitely does what he can with the terrible ideas given to him.

[@NezumiVA]

@@jaccblacc8424 Oh I'm very familiar with GOTF, it's probably my _favorite_ fanwork on the comics side of things to date

[@YuzuMelodious]

I personally felt the way most of the Deadly Six were dealt with came out a anti-climacticly. Still, at least they fared better there than whatever their debut game provided them with.

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

@@jaccblacc8424 Ian Flynn is a FUCKING hack. Seriously, during the last days of Archie, he gave Shadow a Black Arms counterpart that uses Evil Wisps. What kind of stupid shit is that ? IDW Sonic has practically the same issues of post reboot Archie Sonic but so fucking worse. No worldbuilding, repetitive boring arcs, paperthin characters, lame and uninteresting new ones, anticlimatic or overdone climaxes. It just sucks. Oh right, there's also that Deviantart reject. No, she's bland too much of her characters are dorky tards, and she REALLY needs to stop shoehoring crappy OCs like Tangle and Whisper. With or without SEGA's idiotic mandates, they're both shitty writers.

[@Gorypaladin346]

Daniele Mulas aww is the sad little hater angry cause a lot of people praise the idw comics. Sorry kid your never getting your Archie comics back. Now take your bullshit temper tantrum someone else, no one wants to hear your whining

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

@@Gorypaladin346 BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Look at this sore ass corporate slave !!!! He thinks I miss Archie 😂😂😂😂 As if I miss that god-awful reboot, IDW is literally the same crap. Also, I have some bad news : mobile.twitter.com/TheBorvoc/status/1255655682361233415 From 24k copies sold, to barely 9000. Hmm, it's almost as if all that praise they got is worthless, overblown bullshit. Its days are counted.

[@rainehappy7097]

SONIC SHOULD BE SHONEN. I AGREE.

[@YTSirBlack]

raine happy What? Blood? Sexual/adult jokes? Discrimination? *NO THANKS*

[@yoavssj5893]

@@YTSirBlack do you know what a shounen is it means combat anime like dbz which is very similar to sa2 heck even sn3k could be considered shounen like since at the start sonic loses in his super form to knuckled and yet when they fight again sonic beats him. With the exception of colors and generations every good sonic game is shounen like hell even some of the devideve sonic games are shounen like the storybook games and unleashed

[@YTSirBlack]

@@yoavssj5893 the only shonen i can recognize is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

[@yoavssj5893]

@@YTSirBlack that show is trash and is an exseption not the rule most shounens arent that bloody and arent racict at all theyre just battle based shows

[@YTSirBlack]

@@yoavssj5893 oh... and Konosuba

[@MarvinMartinez2001]

Him saying we’re living in the worst Sonic timeline really got me it makes totally sense

[@dr.oswald5400]

You know her use the badnick designs from this game for Sonic Dash now completely ruined them.

[@autobotstarscream765]

Yes, which is where they belong.

[@tamiK6]

You know what, I'll die protecting Unleashed. It's such an underappreciated game. If only some were more open minded we wouldn't get the blank Sonic stories we get now. And guess what, I consider Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations the most bland and boring stories ever in Sonic's franchise.

[@sgoc9499]

I agree,i played all the mainline games up until generations (exept colors Wii)and unleashed is really underrated,the werehog is a Lot of fun. And for me colors DS story isn't that bad (it doesn't have baldy mcnoisehair so that is good). I can forgive it for being simple because it's a portable game that had to be based on a game with aparently almost no story.

[@jiyeonpark6595]

@@sgoc9499 I played Colors Wii, excluding the story, it's actually a pretty fun game

[@truearea53]

Although I agree that unleashed is the greatest sonic game, but I disagree with you on generation and colors. Those are very decent well made Sonic games. Lost world, Boom and forces however, those are terrible Sonic games ever

[@mario-oc2if]

That's cause (talking about colors and generations) one is teen titans go sonic edition and the other is a clip show mini series stretched into a full game

[@TDRR_Gamez]

@@mario-oc2if "That's cause (talking about colors and generations) one is teen titans go sonic edition" I wouldn't describe those games that way. At least they have redeeming factors (like, oh I don't know, actually being good beyond the story), TTG doesn't. I'd rate Colors 7.5/10 and Gens 9/10, both have their little problems but I think they're still really dang awesome and probably on the top 10 best Sonic games ever made.

[@JoshSketchShow]

"There are Sonic games most sane people can agree with are bad, like Shadow the Hedgehog-" Guess I really am insane.

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

I think it's better than Heroes, because I actually have control over the character

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

@KennyBeckshotz Who are you referring to?

[@frenzyproductions]

I physically hurt everytime he says "geam"

[@megasoniczxx]

4:11 Okay, this has bothered me for a while now but do people just forget about the scene before this one that clearly shows tails doing something to the machine to keep from getting robotocized or am I just missing the actual point of this critique because I always see people bring it up despite the fact that you could very easily reason that tails just disguised himself (with the arm cannon being an invention of his) as one to sell the ruse. Don't get me wrong, there are lots of problems with LW's story but this particular point being brought up just has me confused a lot of the time.

[@personman2454]

Honestly Zavok specifically is a lot better of a character in the comics. He’s genuinely intimidating and absolutely terrifying.

[@_.Daki._]

You are the new Sonic lore master

[@leoespinosa1570]

In my opinion cybershell is still the king this is just a decent replacment....

[@blackdot105]

@@leoespinosa1570 A king needs to be there to rule a kingdom...

[@resortisland8977]

@@blackdot105 SpashDash is now regent of the Sonic Lore

[@hurt4322]

@@blackdot105 heh

[@blackdot105]

@@hurt4322 hehe

[@ChrisHillmon]

“There are Sonic games that people agree that are bad.” Me: Ain’t that the truth.. “Shadow the Hedgehog,” Me: Yup. “Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric” Me: Thank god Boom is dead forever.” “And Sonic Adventure 2” Me: Excuse me?... Also me: Tries to not click off the video.

[@theminecraft2516]

Shadow The Hedgehog is a masterpiece what you talking about???

[@onyxangelle]

He lost me when he said SA2, I just can't agree with that. No way.

[@theminecraft2516]

onyxmoon SA2 is SA3

[@SquidwardProfilePic]

When he said sa2 I was even more on his side than before, 90% of that game is whack

[@theminecraft2516]

Yung Wun Why?

[@rainehappy7097]

SONIC SHOULD SCREAM SEGA, NOT A NINTENDO KNOCK OFF.

[@thefollower2933]

I'm my opinion, sega can knock off Nintendo games as much as they want, as long as they actually do it properly.

[@BayScrilla510]

This game didn't even bite Nintendo like that, they did their own thing and just because it took some inspiration from "good" mario games and made it their own doesn't make lost world bad, the only nitpick I have is the weak bosses everything else is fine with lost world, another game hated so much for no reason. The sonic fanbase is annoying and make the wrong decisions telling Sega what to do and most importantly they don't know what they want. The fanbase at times should honestly shut up, yall make things worse smh.

[@cgnfake6721]

Cybershell is fundamentally missed on a spiritual level

[@PlanetZoidstar]

Sonic Lost World feels like it didn't know what it wanted to be. "Super Mario Galaxy was a smash hit! Let's copy that!" "No wait! Retro fans want games like the 16-Bit classics! Bring back the Sonic 1-3 aestethic!" "Hold on! Fans complain the storytelling has gotten too dark and pretentious! Make it a lame saturday morning cartoon!" "But not too goofy! Throw in a psychotic rant from Eggman saying he's gonna genocide the Zenni! Soooo edgy!" "People hate Sonic's friends! Let's sideline them!" "Actually people love Knuckles and Amy! Throw them in!" "But don't let them do anything!" ...See?

[@seba2366]

The argument that Sonic Adventure 2 is bad is kinda modern, i am sure this video is future proof

[@ultrairrelevantnobody1862]

Ruby of Blue exists.

[@mechajay3358]

@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 Yeah, that video if his pretty much demolition the notion that the Adventure series were terrible

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

It's a pretty dumbass *CoNTrArIaN* argument. The fact that most people who don't like SA2 are okay with Colors' god awful level design and the Wisps show their hypocrisy.

[@twoguysthatwearhoodies]

@@DanieleMulas-up7np i liked both colors AND sa2. what does that mean? that i like "linear" and "good" platforming?

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

@@twoguysthatwearhoodies No, it means your tastes are bipolar af These games couldn't be more polar opposites. But implying Colors has "good" platforming is kinda....silly.

[@LorenzoDoesntExist]

You said Sonic Heroes ironically but it has largely positive reviews from critics and fans. Just because it's not better than SA1&2 doesn't make it bad.

[@ADragonNerd]

6:05 Izuka has no idea what the series even is anymore XD so that's why that's a load of BS. Shadow has friends and yeah I miss when Sonic was like a shonen anime too

[@theabsoluteclown5107]

I like SA2

[@acidpain6059]

A lot of people do SplashDash just has a bad case of poortasteitus

[@traktor420]

@@acidpain6059 he actually has a case of knowing that the mech and knuckles stages are absolute shit

[@drewgibbons6860]

Most people do. His strange opinion is liking SA1 and heroes and somehow not liking SA2

[@micjimster4845]

​@@traktor420 I'm I the only one who likes tails stages?

[@mysteryperson1958]

​@@micjimster4845tails has some good stages. But eggmans are way more fun.

[@switchspeedster2671]

Funny you say that at the end. Ken Pontac and Warren Graff left at their own. So now Ian Flynn is working on Sonic Frontiers' story now. So there you go Splash Dash, you got your wish

[@Lemench957]

So about the Wisps being in EVERY Modern Sonic game, there's an actual reason there there. In a mobile game named 'Sonic Runners' it explained that the mother wisp loved Sonic's planet so much she decided to live there, and the rest of the Wisp species followed her.

[@AMotorDrive]

problem every modern game since takes place in a different world doesnt it?

[@butcherax]

The villains in this game are downright offensive. Fat guy, suicidal teen, woman.

[@I_Seraphim_I]

I'm not very sure about most people hating sonic adventure 2. nah man its actually one of the most loved video games in the franchise.

[@Shadowdarkish]

Nice video and whatever, but SEGA knows what you really want: - Green Hills Zone - A Sonic Colours final boss and Egg Dragoon clone - Classic Sonic for absolutely no good reason

[@TheMysticObservatory]

Sonic Adventure 2 is truly not a bad game. In fact it's one of best Sonic Games of all time! Someone saying that SA2 is a bad game is messed up. Unless of course, they've only played it once and didn't go back to play more in order to practice. Now yes it has certain flaws but doesn't make it entirely a bad game

[@doomfatlikesbluesphere9984]

At least it's not as bad as blue sphere. Far too grueling, and just drags after the first hundred thousand stages or so. Far too repetitive- especially after the 128,016,000th stage. Definitely would not reccomended. It will completely eat your life away from it's addictiveness. 0/10 stay away

[@Terminal_Apotos]

I just found out Super Sonic Has 2 Mouths in Lost world. I always thought Mar- SplashDash just drew those 2 lines on his face to make it look like he had whiskers haha

[@deslardesslok]

1 YEAR LATE SQUAD WHERE YOU AT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[@CarbonRollerCaco]

You probably like it because you see decent glimmers of what it could've been in it. The Parkour was a good idea, but it doesn't work that well as-is without, ironically, the very mechanic that was sidelined for this game. No, not Tails; he got sidelined for the whole decade and half of the last. *The Boost.*

[@legomeaker101potato]

Um... everyone prefers 60fps over 30? I mean colours doesn’t have it because the wii is an underpowered system but the pc version of generations had it and it is better for it. Lost world might be a bit bland but at least it si smooth instead of choppy if you don’t see the greatness of 60 fps? Try playing sonic 1-3 at 30 fps

[@acousticslayer5883]

But sonic 1-3 don't play at 60 fps...

[@legomeaker101potato]

@@acousticslayer5883 yes they do

[@acousticslayer5883]

@@legomeaker101potato no, they do not, the genesis couldn't even handle 60 fps

[@legomeaker101potato]

Aw man, I'm a ring! Yes it can. Just look at the water effects in labyrinth or the shield in 30 and 60fps videos. The fact that a lot of 64 bit era games went to 30 or 20 doesn’t mean older games had the limitations (most 8-16 bit era games usually go to 60 except for the graphically intense ones like star fox) It’s also the reason why most emulators have 60fps options but no 120fps option

[@acousticslayer5883]

@@legomeaker101potato hmm... Really? Then I'm sorry

[@TheRealKingDedede]

9:46 I personally liked the multi homing attack. I thought it was a neat way to make homing attack chains a little faster

[@YourUncleBenis]

You know, playing it, I kinda felt like the idea in Sonic Team's mind was that the Zeti themselves were transforming the landscape to be weird, thus why you had a weird donut land and stuff. I just don't think anyone told the writers so they could explain that. Also, I think they gimped the visuals on the PC release. It looks a bit brighter there. Could just be my screen, though.

[@armandotejeda3832]

People hate sonic adventure 2 now? Wasn’t that like the best 3D sonic game? Damn... sonic fans confuse me a lot...

[@ryo1ymz]

Splash dash you and Ls mark ‘must be good friends’

[@calistusjay60]

Imagine a world where Sonic Generation's gameplay was built upon and perfected.

[@capnbug]

What if you’re the fundamentally flawed one..............

[@Tayes20]

Plot Twist Title: Sonic Lost World Is *Fun* damentally Flawed

[@pokekiller787x]

Cringe

[@TheFloodFourm]

@@pokekiller787x nah bro trying to troll people in the comment section of a sonic youtube video is cringe

[@pokekiller787x]

@@TheFloodFourm ?

[@WayPastMeh]

You're gonna make the 9 year wait for cybershells return a lot less long

[@XPool]

Who's here after the "probably thumbnail change"

[@switchstar190]

0:08 yea nooo! I respect your opinion but it is wrong 😌

[@seba2366]

I think the adventure series is fundamentally flawed but is exectued perfectly since adventure was planned more than the less like a console demo and they shove in all the different playstyles where in Adventure 2 you are forced to do to complete a single campagin

[@SteveCrafts2k]

@@seba2366 Well, at the time, those WERE their first two attempts at the whole storytelling gig. And before you say "But Sonic is a cartoon blue hedgehog, he shouldn't have depth", tell that to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, or Megaman, or Kirby.

[@Kaisona2017]

How can anyone call Sonic Adventure 2 if it has a mixtape’s worth of raps for the Knuckles stages.

[@SteveCrafts2k]

@@Kaisona2017 either he doesn't really like the gameplay that much, or he's jumping on a bandwagon.

[@Kaisona2017]

I’d say he’s jumping on a bandwagon. If SA2 is getting this much hate, then how come the first game isn’t. Shouldn’t the first game have just as much, if not more hate, since it’s not as polished as the sequel?

[@angrydiddykong262]

"Teels" instead of Tails, you know that's LS mark. Listen buddy, Heroes is bad. SA2 won.

[@qwertyzillaofficial2969]

Heroes is not bad

[@Logo1770]

I think the biggest reason I enjoyed this game was the parkour, the feeling of fluently running from wall to wall was really fun and I wish it made a return

[@jhkuno88]

Sahnic and Teels......my favorite geem

[@_.peachey_sweett._2375]

SONIC ADVENTURE 2 IS THE BEST IN MY OPINION

[@YTSirBlack]

Sandrat Mills because was the first one you've played when you were young? That's ok

[@sgoc9499]

@@YTSirBlack Maybe because it's a legit great game that simply doesn't fit your tastes.

[@LollinoDamb64]

Actually, concept art of this game shows classic sonic in it. So this WAS supposed to be a 3D classic sonic gane.

[@matthewgarner7215]

I actually think Lost World has alot good going for it. The whole trope behind the Zeti might be dumb, but it’s a cool trope in my eyes that can help create some unique and diverse character designs. Speaking of which, their designs are probably the greatest in any Sonic game, with my favorite one being Zazz. It was also a time when Eggman wasn’t the main villain, which was a trope for many Sonic games under the sun. I also like the whole tunnel and diverse level design thing. It’s a unique concept that I think has never ever been done before, unless you wanna count Super Mario Galaxy. Also, the music.

[@KperaOfficial]

I love how people never mention the lost world comics that explains how eggman learned about lost hex and how he met the zeti

[@Alizamk1]

you shouldn't have to read comics to understand the story of a game

[@KperaOfficial]

@@Alizamk1 im not trying to defend it and yes, putting parts of the story in comics is bs

[@andrewrodriguez5381]

Just wait til you find out about games like Left4dead ​@@Alizamk1

[@jamiegioca9448]

6:42 And that's my biggest problem with this game. I always think to myself: "How did we go from (insert the sickass Buzz Bomber from Generations) to THIS?"

[@Perrier_enjoyer]

Imagine thinking heroes is better than SA 2

[@beuwm]

imagine thinking SA2 is "undeniably bad"

[@alfiehicks1]

Honestly, hearing "consistently good" and "3D" in a sentence referring to Sonic Colours made me laugh more than anything Pontac and Graff have ever come up with.

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

Good to know I'm not the only one. And then this tool is baffled at why this trash heap has the same issues of Colors, magnified x100.

[@crfstewarje4597]

@@DanieleMulas-up7np You're calling him a tool? Ah yes; let's attack someone's character over the fact that they have a different opinion.

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

@@crfstewarje4597 Boo hoo, how dare I point out the double standards of some dumbass. I'm soooo meanie. Grow tf up

[@crfstewarje4597]

@@DanieleMulas-up7np You in a nutshell; "Wahhh, I can't handle the opinions of someone else, so I resort to name calling". lol, you're such a child. Are you 6 years old?

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

@@crfstewarje4597 The only 6 years old crybaby here is you because this isn't your usual echo chamber of Nintendrones touching themselves over Colors. Get a grip and a life lol

[@blaambliim7523]

Sonic Lost World feels like Super Mario Galaxy without the Grand Stars and space feeling.

[@GodittoC]

You know what the story of next Sonic game should have? Elements from get this... *C O S M I C H O R R O R*

[@maude7420]

Wtf

[@dragonx3015]

Sonic 2006 tried that.

[@Mepphy99]

So Sonic 06 Even nailed well with Mephiles ... But yeah no Let's make Sonic Mario

[@TheFloodFourm]

Black Doom called

[@avianm4123]

HA get out of here SpLoSh DuSh. The real CyberShell is back. 😎

[@scoundrel8440]

You said a majority of the Sonic Fanbase say SA2 is bad, however, that doesn't seem to be the case. In fact, 96% of the reviews on Google is 5 stars.

[@Banana807]

It is kinda true tho, while not saying its outright bad, the fan base does say SA2 isnt as good as people make it out to be, imo SA2 is fine, best parts are the speed stages and story

[@POTTERANDMATRIXFAN]

I like Lost World a lot more after just playing through it a few times, I just think the 3DS version handled the parkour way better but had worse level design.

[@bobfii]

Played the 3ds version. It's pretty epic.

[@Bot-xl1ix]

The snowball level...

[@bobfii]

@@Bot-xl1ix well that level was kinda weird but the rest of them were a lot of fun

[@spritvio639]

@@bobfii Even the special stages and the part that made Cobi Ragequit?

[@bobfii]

@@spritvio639 yes, there are some bad parts of the game, but that doesn't mean that the whole game is bad. I personally enjoyed it. Even the special stages.

[@spritvio639]

@@bobfii Wow your a rare fan. Im glad you can see some good in it.

[@thevioletskull8158]

Ok the Sonic goes to a bizarreo idea is really cool.