The Contrarians Presents: Bands You Are DISILLUSIONED With (as you have gotten older).

The Contrarians Presents: Bands You are DISILLUSIONED with (as you have gotten older).
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[@metalassassin9537]

Zack should have kept Pride and glory together. They were a power trio that played southern rock and there self titled debut is a classic.

[@quantumparadox2518]

Well I woke up early this mornin……..

[@CharlesTRose]

agreed 💯

[@Jermeister12]

I CONCUR!!! 1000 %

[@danielsolano602]

Does anybody remember the episode of Eddie Trunk's "That Metal Show" when Kirk Hammett and Michael Schenker were the guests? Somebody came up with the bright idea of having these two cats jam something on guitar. They did this little blues groove in A and every time Kirk Hammett play the solo his fingers fell into an E pattern. I happen to be a blind guy and I would've given anything to see Michael Shanker's face during this. Good times! Good stuff my brothers!

[@patriotpizzaman]

I saw Neil on that tour with Social Distortion and Sonic Youth too. I was working at a Chi Chi's Mexican restaurant in Harrisburg Pa. the day before they were playing in Hershey. Neil and his whole crew came in for dinner. They had two birthdays among the group and the wait staff came into the kitchen looking for people to sing the Chi Chi's happy birthday song to them. I jumped at the chance and rushed out there. We sang the quick little ditty loudly and enthusiastically while Neil and the rest of the table clapped along. Neil was laughing as he clapped, clearly enjoying the spectacle. About a half hour later the waitress said Neil wanted the names of everyone who had sang for them. He left us tickets at the door! I too have grown disillusioned with Neil's tireless meandering but, everything from Arc/Weld back was pretty good.

[@scottmcgregor4829]

I think when musicians or bands lose their curiosity and discovery about music they just get sterile. Rush never did. I am not a fan of everything that did. But I am glad that they didn't release the same album for 45 years

[@RobNY5150]

Great topic! I don’t know if “disillusioned” is the right word, but I generally haven’t been able to get into the new albums from the bands I grew up listening to, including Metallica, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, Ozzy and others. One exception is Whitesnake.

[@johnfoster5295]

When they did the Corabi thing Vince could still sing. I'll bet people would welcome Corabi back now.

[@quantumparadox2518]

I still think the corabi album is their best record. The early ones are great but musically adding that second guitar and another song writer took them to another dimension

[@ciaranmeeks9431]

The only mistake they made with the Corabi album was releasing it under the Motley Crue moniker. If it had been released under a different name, as a different project the general public would have received it far more positively. It might have even hit the big time as it's a fantastic album that very much straddles the zeitgeist of the time, and arguably the best thing they ever put out. But unfortunately, Motley were and are, one of those bands where each original member is like a character in a cartoon series - as per The Beatles, or Kiss - and, just like trying to pitch The Superfriends without Batman or Superman, the fans just weren't going to buy the Crue without Vince. It's a damned shame too. One of the best albums most fair-weather fans have long forgotten.

[@johnfoster5295]

@@ciaranmeeks9431 Well, the whole "Super Friends" thing went out the window when Mick was replaced by John 5. Like I said, back then you are right, people weren't ready for a different singer. Now, however, I think people would be welcoming of a John/John/Nikki/Tommy lineup. Mick is gone and Vince can't sing.

[@drewrose374]

Forget a new Black Sabbath album, I would rather hear a new Iommi Hughes album!

[@quantumparadox2518]

Absolutely!

[@Jermeister12]

I LIKE THOSE A WHOLE LOT!!!😀😀😀😀

[@marcusmorgan2373]

I'm in this camp also

[@deathtodigital4097]

Kiss would be the first on the list for me. Motley Crue, second. What makes it worse is both these bands think they are edgy and relevant. Amazing legacy but give it up

[@p.g.7974]

Great topic and episode

[@bobsavage1007]

Eddie’s tone blows away Rhoads

[@thecontrarians2438]

yep

[@chielvandenboomen4925]

Iron Maiden after Brave New World. I can't listen to Bruce Dickinson anymore and Empire of the Clouds is by far the most overrated Maiden song ever. Pretentious drivel based on a piano part a child would come up with. Please don't hate me for this comment, it's The Contrarians show for god's sake...

[@jimmycampbell78]

it's your opinion, nothing wrong with that. I do think there is some fair and very unfair criticism about the post-2000 Maiden albums. It's not really a contrarian view as I come across a lot of people who share your opinion along with the loyal Maiden fans.

[@kevinthetruckdriver353]

My Top 5 Bands........ *#1):* Boston (Tom Scholz) - You listen to people and they come to the conclusion. Scholz was before his time. How the debut album was this, that & whatever. They might say a word about the carbon copy of Don't Look Back. But they will not say anything about the remaining 4 dreadful albums (Third Stage, Walk On, Corporate America & Life, Love & Hope). Maybe you can make an EP out of that crap. *#2):* Aerosmith: The Geffen Years - This is the era of this band that I just hated them. Use to like *"Rocks"* & *"Toys in the Attic"* albums. The hate was so deep that I couldn't stand nothing on *"Rocks"* & *"Toys in the Attic".* Then they did Armageddon & Run DMC collaboration. I'm done. *#3):* Asia - reunion years with original members. I liked the first 3 albums. Then the lineups started to change. I did give John Payne's era a chance. Lots of good songs but not strong albums. Until 2004's *"Silent Nation"* from the Payne era. One of the strongest Asia album there was. Downes decided for a reunion tour. Nice to hear the original members. Then came the complete downfall if Asia. The reunion studio albums (Phoenix, Omega, XXX) totally blew. Now Downes is touring with an Asia tribute band in 2024. Even Howe (Yes) & Palmer (ELP) didn't want nothing to do with Asia in 2024. Since both are touring in their own tribute bands. *#4):* The Beatles - Some bands should fade into the sunset. They are from a different era that time has moved on. Their recent single *"Now & Then"* has proven The Beatles should fade away. They have by me. *#5):* Rolling Stones - A band that's nothing more than being a cash grab band these days. They haven't been relevant since the 1980's. Haven't played one of their cd's since 1978's *"Some Girls".* Those are my 5 disillusioned bands.

[@NaughtyVampire-zf8pd]

Now & Then really isn't a beatles song. it's a song that was worked on at various times by individual former-Beatles. For me it has nothing to do with the band's legacy. I don't think time has passed the Beatles by at all. they remain the greatest band in rock.

[@terrencereardon6374]

Led Zeppelin were better than The Beatles and didn't go into the Now and Then territory.

[@ledzeplover58]

Saw Kiss on the Rock And Roll Over tour in '77. Best overall show I've ever seen.

[@jimmyagates]

Motley Crue, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, Iron Maiden

[@MrFrikkenfrakken]

Times and tastes change so bands almost have to change to stay listenable to the ears of a new generation of fans. There is always the risk to alienate the 'older' fanbase who wants to hear 'their group' play the old comfortable way but I can appreciate artists wanting to create so it has to be really a pothole in the sound for me to be disillusioned. Curious how the panel will tackle this one.

[@inmyhouse11]

I became disillusioned with Motlrley Crue after Shout at the Devil.

[@LoLavilla82]

Me I got disillusioned with Dream Theater after Octavarium. I have hopes for the new album with Mike Portnoy. It was a good move to get him back on board I think. We'll see how it stands out but I'll listen to it.

[@quantumparadox2518]

I’m stoked that he’s back, the astonishing was astoundingly boring so I hopes he gets them focused again

[@lostcauseforkl]

Outstanding show in its looseness, could've gone on for hours

[@thecontrarians2438]

haha... thanks for the kind words!

[@ashleygeisler1003]

Kiss Hot in the shade. Pink Floyd The final cut. Metallica The Black album I have become disillusion with all 3 of these bands due to those albums

[@terrencereardon6374]

You love Britney Spears, Katy Perry and Justin Bieber.

[@ashleygeisler1003]

@@terrencereardon6374 do i??

[@patriotpizzaman]

Patient Number 9 has some decent performances on it but, nothing up to the original Blizzard of Ozz band. If I'm being honest, Ozzy hasn't put out very many songs I've been into since Ultimate Sin. Those albums with Jake E. Lee weren't up to Randy's albums either but, I like them a bit. There are a few good songs with Zakk too but, not many.

[@guillermomaldonado6277]

Definitely, Ozzy Osbourne. When I was a kid he was the coolest of the cool rockers, "oooh, he eats bats! Oooh, he sniffs ants!" As I grew old , well, I start seeing those stunts for what they were and understood that the guy is just a product, he's a great product, but just that. 'nuff said 🍺🤘

[@daanthing6002]

Bit disillusioned by this episode. Thought this was about artists you used to love back in the day, but now looking back at that work, it doesn't really impress you anymore. This was mostly about not liking the modern work of an artist you were a big fan of. But still love the old stuff. First one that comes to mind is Red Hot Chili Peppers. At the time of Blood Sugar i was in my late teens and became a big fan and bought all their albums. After One Hot Minute i lost interest. I still like some of the old songs (Sexy mexican maid kicks ass and the best songs on One Hit Minute are their best stuff for me). But i can't play a whole album. Just doesn't work for me anymore. I get bored. And i really don't like the later stuff.

[@jordanpratt3821]

Yeah that's what I thought. Everyone in the comments is doing the same thing.

[@philip-edwardphillis4313]

This is what I said about Zakk Wylde. Everything he's done doesn't move me anymore, either early stuff or more contemporary. Ditto with Metallica but I think I didn't clarify that enough.

[@daanthing6002]

@@philip-edwardphillis4313 Indeed. It was clearly your topic 😁

[@SomeSong2]

I know that Aerosmith will come up a lot in this one.

[@MrFrikkenfrakken]

Yeah, a good example as I can truthfully say the drugged up Aerosmith is the sound and band I like.

[@SuperStrik9]

Definitely. 70's Aerosmith is awesome. Afterwards... Not so much.

[@thecontrarians2438]

...probably also depends on when you started to listen to the band. Those high school kids in the lates 80s and early 90s may like that later stuff more

[@scottmcgregor4829]

I would like to see a show theme the longest courtship before you fell in love with their music.

[@patriotpizzaman]

72 Seasons is a great album and I have kept it in my rotation since it's release, I play it at least once a month. Kirk stopped growing as a guitarist when they finished the Black album. He is a lazy guitarist. Bob Rock pushed him hard to get things out of him and he hasn't been bothered to try since. I still think he's done some decent solos on 72 Seasons.

[@quantumparadox2518]

I think the obvious answers are Metallica and Ozzy with a healthy dose of kiss. Id add cannibal corpse, it’s boring and repetitive now and in a genre where you can still make great records they just make the same thing over and over.

[@timhewtson6212]

I suppose there are two different strands here: bands you liked once but now you don't really enjoy their original music; and bands who have overstayed their welcome. I thought Neil Young was an excellent example. I liked his early stuff, and still do, but has he done anything interesting in the last 20 years? I doubt it. It looks like Styx have made a one-off comeback, and Iron Maiden too, and arguably The Rolling Stones with 'Hackney Diamonds.' I can only think of two artists who have produced album after album at 7.5+ over fifty years - Ian Hunter and Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan's albums still have 2-4 really interesting songs per album. Ian Hunter has about 8/9 good songs per album. Ian Anderson tries pretty hard too, but it's not the original magic. As for bands I got tired of within their original catalogs, I would nominate The Kinks, The The, and The Waterboys.

[@ChromeDestiny]

The last two Neil Young albums I got really excited about were Psychadelic Pill and LeNoise.

[@terrencereardon6374]

How about Roger Waters or David Gilmour or Pink Floyd

[@ChromeDestiny]

I defended Yes for a long time but now with both Chris and Alan gone and probably no chance of Jon Anderson coming back it's gotten really sad. There's bits I'm looking forward to on the Fragile Super Deluxe edition but I wish the audio Blu-Rays in the series were straight up reissues of the Steven Wilson edition Blu-Rays and that they'd found a live version of Heart of The Sunrise with Bruford. A soundboard master of a 70's live version of Heart of the Sunrise with Bill would be one of my Yes grails along with a complete version of the live footage shot for the Sounding Out special and pro shot footage from the '76 tour.

[@SB-kr1dw]

I didn't realize that Bob Odenkirk was such a big Neil Young fan!

[@normandrichardson3721]

Red Hot Chili Peppers lost me around 2000...

[@johnjackson3735]

The two biggest example of me no longer being fond of musical artists I used to like are Led Zeppelin and Neil Young. Honestly, I don't enjoy listening to any of their songs now, even though I used to be a fan of their music. I would likely have been in a big argument if a time warp set up a confrontation between my old and "young" self on this topic.

[@jimmycampbell78]

To me that's an example of overplaying something or tastes changing. In Zeppelin's case at least, they haven't released any new material since 1982 so their songs remain the same (sorry). Your tastes have changed.

[@michaeleaster1815]

20:35 Yes! The Vince fail/misheard lyrics videos are truly LOL but esp. in the comments, which are vicious. Phillip-Edward and I are united on many fronts in this episode! It is almost weird... I've said the same things

[@michaeleaster1815]

19:17 The Crue are absolutely the McDonalds of hard-rock: it's demonstrably not good, there are better options, and yet its popularity defies all logic. Aside from the performance, there is the final tour "contract" BS, and the way they treated Mick. John5 is a killer, but I can't recall a single riff he's written. By contrast, Mick was always third-rate compared to his contemporaries, and yet wrote a ton of great, memorable riffs in the early days.

[@tanktuba]

I started to become disillusioned with Queensryche and the Promised Land album. Fully disillusioned with Hear in the Now Frontier and DeGarmo leaving. And then everything that happened after that is just weird.

[@matsetizar65]

Didn’t care much for HITNF either until I watched a Tate interview a couple of years ago where he was talking about the album’s creation. I like it quite a bit now.

[@quantumparadox2518]

The Todd latore albums are really good

[@NaughtyVampire-zf8pd]

I don't really get disillusioned with bands . . . but two that disappointed me have been REM and Muse - bith because the quality of their music took severe downturns. For REM that would be the three albums from 1998-2004 (rebounded somewhat on their last two albums) and for Muse everything from 2012 and after.

[@aaroarponen8610]

I saw Ozzy's Scream tour and he was really energetic and did a more than stellar job. Then when I saw Black Sabbath during the End tour he was like a shadow of that previous guy. I didn't like Ordinary Man at all and Patient Number 9 isn't really sticking with me either, but I do enjoy everything pre-13 and Damaged Soul from 13. For me personally, Ozzy is not doing any favors to his legacy nowadays

[@gpili]

I was going to say Styx as well. I used to love them, followed them obsessively but as I get older the songs feel a bit kiddie to me. There are a few solid gems but Come Sail Away and Babe and The Best of Times seem such a sell out. I only listen to select songs anymore.

[@user-vz3bg2vy3w]

I guess that I cant relate to this topic, I still like what I always have and on the other hand I havent started liking something that I didnt like either. Interesting to watch though

[@chrisman3965]

Led Zep for me. Grew up on LZ and was fanatical about them. I never even consider listening to them now.

[@terrencereardon6374]

Black Sabbath I am tired of. As for Led Zeppelin, I have bootlegs of Zeppelin live (Madison Square 1975, Earls Court 1975, LA 1977 and Knebworth 1979) and it's a rabbit hole I have not gotten out of and recently got into the solo works of John Paul Jones and am now ecstatic. Because I got distracted with other bands, I never heard Robert Plant albums post Shaken and Stirred but got Now and Zen (I appreciate it more now than I did in 1988 when I was into Metal and buying the Pink Floyd catalog), Manic Nirvana (has some decent tunes), Fate of Nations (my third favorite Plant solo album) and Dreamland and Fate is a masterpiece (best album since Principle of Moments). I am trepid about the bluegrass albums of his but time will allow. Jimmy Page had the killer Death Wish II soundtrack plus the two Firm albums, a misstep with Outrider and redemption with Coverdale Page. I wish he makes another album. I did enjoy Unledded/No Quarter and Walking Into Clarksdale which were the reunions with Robert John Paul Jones' Scream for Help was an overlooked solo gem in the Zep family. Zooma is awesome. The other album he did is coming in and discovering that and also Them Crooked Vultures has its moments. Problem is that radio won't do a real Zep show and play the solo works of its members and guest spot tracks. Floydian Slip succeeded in that department.

[@ciaranmeeks9431]

Basically for me it's mostly the bigger names in Metal who have dropped the proverbial ball most heinously. Worst culprits would have to include Metallica who totally lost the plot years ago despite smatterings of brilliance over the years. To a lesser degree Megadeth who have at least been more prolific. Ozzy (although his last album actually wasn't bad), Slayer, Zakk, Motley, and of course Kiss. I think a lot of them just ran out of gas at a certain point which is to be expected of anyone eventually I guess and we can definitely still love and respect all of these guy's legacies. Fortunately it's a pretty big and varied genre with TONS of young up and comers out there and there's plenty of great new music to explore and enjoy.

[@JimBagby74]

100% on everyone mentioned, except The Who. At 49, I’m the biggest Who fan I’ve ever been. Why? I Can’t Explain...lol

[@DBTdad]

Drive-by Truckers lost me after Blessing and a Curse. Great southern rock albums up until then.

[@esteeb67]

So many... Ozzy in particular. His last listenable album to me is Ozzmosis. After that, I liked one song: Gets Me Through. There are other bands I loved that I eventually stopped listening to because their output just got worse... Bands like Weezer (when they began focusing on pop and gaining a younger audience I dropped off), Radiohead (I loved the boops n beeps of Kid A and In Rainbows, but afterward it just became duller and duller), Jack White (White Stripes were great, Raconteurs were really good, Dead Weather - not bad, but he just kept putting out more and more stuff and eventually lost the plot) Manowar - the first four are outstanding and still fun to listen to, Fighting The World was the first sign, a bit of a rebound with Kings of Metal and Triumph of Steel, but afterward... the pandering just got worse and worse. They tried to go all out with Gods of War, and it was just a boring, pompous mess, then they tried to go back with Lord of Steel and that failed even more miserably. However, there are still some bands that have been joyously creative in their later years: Deep Purple, BOC, Maiden, Priest...Some may slog Maiden a bit these days, but I still like them. They are not without their problems (flat production, meandering intros) but they are still trying to do something new and there is something on every record that I like.

[@nelsonmaud1]

I listen to kiss I'm that way also it's would be interesting to see artist or geners you hated back then you like. Now kiss always sounds the same agree on young Springsteen don't really like anymore i hate artist talks down you about politics acdc though people kill for all the same but still love them I'm strange 😂

[@terrencereardon6374]

Roger Waters is worse than Springsteen and Roger says antisemitic things, attacks Trump and Biden equally and wanted Sanders who is extreme left wing. Roger lost it when he lip synched.

[@michaeleaster1815]

3:01 I couldn't agree more about Zakk... Randy Rhoads and EVH used fills to be showy but also in a highly creative way (checkout Ozzy's Tribute). Zakk's pinch harmonics (he calls them "pings") were great initially as a fill but it is just one type, whereas the others had 5-10 types. It is now a caricature, much like Kirk Hammett's wah pedal.

[@michaeleaster1815]

I wrote the above before hearing 32:15 LOL... though Kirk's wah pedal is a meme-level (i.e. widespread) criticism

[@terrencereardon6374]

Here is mine of artists who IMHO should have stopped a while back and got worse with age : Def Leppard (after Retro Active they began to decline and after Euphoria, I was done) current Styx (I tried to like the post-Dennis albums, I really tried but it is just pedestrian but will listen to all albums from 1972-99) Roger Waters (if he had ended with Amused to Death it would have been a great way to end, his last four releases from 2017 on have been despicable) Aerosmith (after Pump they went to crap) AC/DC (started decline after The Razor's Edge and with Brian Johnson no longer writing lyrics, it just got worse and worse) KISS (Carnival of Souls was terrible, Psycho Circus was decent but post 1998 they released crap) Megadeth (no good albums after Cryptic Writings) Alice Cooper (he made more bad albums than I thought) Radiohead (I hated them then I became a fan then I got sick and tired of hearing them, Portishead, Chris Isaak and Lauryn Hill from five years of working at Quincy Records and Tapes and I was forbidden from playing any Sabbath post-1978, any Rush album, all Pink Floyd post-1983 and pre-1973, any Queen album, any Maiden or Priest album) Queensryche (was a huge fan from 1983-97 material and I threw in the towel after Tribe) Rolling Stones (last four albums were tired and uninspired) Van Halen (I was no fan of III or A Different Kind of Truth) Bands who knew when to quit : Pink Floyd (when Rick Wright passed away, The Division Bell was his last album in his lifetime and I do love The Endless River which was a tribute to Rick) Rush (they almost ended up on disillusioned list but mercifully they redeemed on Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels and ended with an epic) Led Zeppelin (In Through the Out Door and Bonzo dying was the reason to stop and without Bonham Zeppelin may have gone crap) The Police (nowhere they could have gone after Synchronicity) Queen (original lineup with Innuendo, I look at Made in Heaven like Coda and The Endless River, an afterthought) The Who (if Who is their swan song, they went on a high)

[@michaelbaucom4019]

Used to like the Eagles...no more(other than a few Glenn Frey(RIP) songs). The soap opera of their behind-the-scenes BS, combined with changing taste(I'm primarily a prog rock fan, I've gone deeper into that genre, the Eagles aren't anywhere near prog) turned me away. One other factor for anyone tired of artists: overplay and over hype plays a part

[@terrencereardon6374]

You hate Pink Floyd by chance? Or just like the pre-Dark Side era or just the Roger era.

[@michaelbaucom4019]

@@terrencereardon6374 reread the comment please...it is about the Eagles, not Pink Floyd

[@ericrobertson2024]

Nightwish from 1998-2011 were among my favorite bands,from 2015-24 were horrible.

[@markwilburn4962]

I have felt that way about Zak Wylde for a long time.... Metallica is a band that I couldnt get enough of for years. Bought every release, saw them on every tour until Load/Reload....Ozzy is another one. Havent cared for anything since No Rest For the Wicked (the first and only ZW album I liked) However, I will say that they helped me branch out into other bands and genres, so it wasn't all bad😉

[@timguzz8844]

The Van Halen live album may have great muscianship, but because of Roth, its unlistenable

[@tommyaddison6539]

I like Metallicas last three records

[@Kurt843]

Randy's tone was amazing. I don't know what you're talking about

[@frankingenito]

These are all artists that I still have in my collection but I just never seem to want to listen to anymore. The artists are Jimi Hendrix, Cream, The Doors, Queen, Pink Floyd, AC/DC, U2 and Red Hot Chili Peppers.

[@terrencereardon6374]

We know you love Lady Gaga and Britney Spears.

[@frankingenito]

@@terrencereardon6374 Of course I know you're kidding but for the record I don't listen to either one. I'm a 66 year old drum teacher and I don't spend much time listening to seventies music. I mostly listen to artists from the last 25 years. I listen to a lot of female artists lately. Some of my favorites are Thea Gilmore, Larkin Poe, Beth Hart, The Pretty Reckless, First Aid Kit, Kasey Chambers and Margo Price.

[@terrencereardon6374]

@@frankingenito You are a Britney fan you incompetent fool. You are a 24 year old Millennial Liberal who voted for Brandon and Obozo.

[@terrencereardon6374]

@@frankingenito We know you are batting from the other side of the plate for the rest of us Sausage Jockey.

[@terrencereardon6374]

@@frankingenito I am not joking you being a Britney Stan you Pickle Whistler

[@DBTdad]

28:35 David Lee Roth owes Black Oak's Jim Dandy a career

[@patriotpizzaman]

Outside of a few tracks here and there, Pete Townsend and the Who haven't done anything truly brilliant since Who's Next.

[@Starman2112ofKings]

I think Quadrophenia is brilliant but realistically if you have Tommy Live at Leeds (expanded version) Who’s Next Quadrophenia Maybe By Numbers and Who Are You that’s all you REALLY need. IMO 😁

[@GarganoA]

Not into Neil Young but really like Sonic Youth. Anyone in the know, how did that 1991 tour come about? It surprises me that so early in the '90s before grunge's real explosion that a promoter put together a bill featuring SY and Young.

[@briandunlap8534]

Thank you, Rand Rhodes' soupy tone always kinda bothered me too.

[@mainzergirl9610]

GnR, Neil Young, Def Leppard, and Dream Theater. I no longer listen to these artists, period. Also agree on Zakk Wylde.

[@mirko1382]

I have a theory. Bands only have a 10 year period of where they are good then fall off a cliff. Look at some bands that ended during a 10 year run where people still think that these bands are untouchable: Led Zepplin & Beetles and compare them to artist who are still going on like Iron Maiden, AC/DC & ZZTop

[@jimmyagates]

Saxon disagree

[@mirko1382]

@@jimmyagates I agree. There are some outliers to this theory, but it's not based on the quality of the music, but also the sales of the albums, as fans get older the majority of them would stop buying albums because of other responsibilities. There would be a dip in the sales for these bands until the nostalgia factor would kick in about 10 years later. Plus, they don't pick up too many fans towards the end of their "prime years" as the generation don't want their older brother heroes.

[@terrencereardon6374]

Pink Floyd ended unofficially in 2001 when David Gilmour said no more Pink Floyd Tours and then when Rick Wright passed away, the band was finished and they did The Endless River as a tribute to Rick and is the final album.

[@mirko1382]

​@@terrencereardon6374 The later Pink Floyd albums declined in sales. (These are US sales figures) from Division Bell sold 3.3 million copies, as Endless River only sold only 355, 000 copies. Though it has been 20 years between releases, but I think it give a bit more weight to my theory. Most people have moved on from Pink Floyd but would only go to the shows to hear the classics.

[@ravensnhokies]

Yes used to be my favorite band when I was in College (late 80s/early 90s). I worshipped Steve Howe and thought he was unequaled in the guitar department. I delved deeper into Prog and put Yes on the listening shelf after 1993. I started back up during their Masterworks Tour before seeing them, but strangely, I started to not dig Howe's guitarwork with Yes. Still always respected his talent, but I cannot stand his tone (other than Machine Messiah). Also, the way his composes a solo, it was like a random jumbled mess of notes. I think I saw a few more tours afterwards but I could not get over how shitty he sounded live. No bite what so ever. Yes was shelved again. The past 15 years I still break out Yes tunes and enjoy them, but its not with the same fervor in my youth. Songs like The Ancient are simply unlistenable with Howe's goat in heat slide guitarwork (75% of Tales is awful, 25% is awesome). I'd rather get the Clap then hear that instrumental ever again. I love a lot of Yes tunes now despite Steve Howe, so I'll say I'm disillusioned. And its not a I've heard them a 1M times since Yes are in the Mt Rushmore of Prog Bands so it gets old listening to them phenomenon. Hackett era Genesis was a slight notch below my Yes fandom during my heyday. Nowadays, I still love all of Steve Hackett's Genesis, and solo work. Hackett >> Howe in my 2024 opinion.

[@terrencereardon6374]

Any opinion on Pink Floyd after Roger left?

[@damienfoyer]

Metallica qualifies. Nailed about Zakk, I am alright with his first album with Ozzy as something different. "No more tears" after that was already too much. And speaking of Ozzy, he has worn out his welcome a long time ago.

[@antonnee]

I saw Ozzy in the mid 80s, and he sucked just plain sucked. Singing out of tune/off key on every song. So, disappointed that I wanted to leave halfway through the concert.

[@tommyaddison6539]

I don’t think you have to “evolve” to be a great, or entertaining player.

[@noheamike5036]

Van Halen with DLR is my biggest disillunsion. Saw them on the Diver Down tour, and DLR was drunk and horrible. Forgetting lyrics, coming in at wrong times, and just screaming too often (I can't stand a DLR scream of any sort from anytime anymore). I can't listen to any VH featuring DLR. I just hear every single weakness of his and can't hear the good anymore. DLR can be a great front man, but didn't have the consistency or singing ability to carry that title.

[@patriotpizzaman]

I didn't enjoy the last few Megadeth albums nearly as much as 72 Seasons. They all fell out of my rotation within a week.

[@aleksandarfrick2656]

Band should exist max 12 -15 years . REM went in a gracious way . ABBA too. STONES should stop around 1990 . after "Steel Wheels " or best around " Tattoo You " -1982.

[@patriottex4813]

I'm disillusioned with the Roth era VH albums. I tried listening to all of them one after the other. I quit at 1984. Roth's shtick and his over the top screams grate on my nerves after awhile. Not every song has to be like Runnin' with the Devil! I listen to them one at a time now. I reach for 5150 and For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge more now. As a vocalist Sammy is better, but I still love the band, I just can't take that much Roth shtick back to back.

[@SuperStrik9]

Metallica are the first band that comes to mind.

[@lance98541]

The fans would hate to hear me say this, but Metallica were already running of ideas by the time And Justice For All came out, and it has been downhill ever since. Their albums are just a total yawn fest now.

[@floydshambles]

I went to Billy Cox Hendrix tribute. Saw Dweezil Zappa, Kenny Wayne Shephard, Johnnie Lang and Eric Johnson. Amazing players all. Then the Zak guy came on. I was never into metal, so was not familiar with him, but he flat out sucked compared to the others.

[@careyvinzant]

The fact that Motley Crud is "iconic" is the best possible argument against democracy. That many fans *can* be wrong.

[@griefforest1870]

I could never fall out of love with Neil Young, because for every four records he releases one is uninspired, one is brilliant, one is utter crap and one is alright... Not necessarily in that order. If I look back into the last 5 years he had a killer album with Colorado, Barn was meh, World Record was bad, Before + After was pretty special again. So I'll never know - plus all the archival releases, most of which have been either essential (Homegrown, Chrome Dreams) or at least paint a bad record in a better light (Toast). But that stabiliy he had in the 70s and I'd even say late 80s to mid 90s is long gone. Especially in the 2000s every second album was utter crap. The others were fine though...

[@christianhaynes1954]

Zack 👍, Neil young 👎.......

[@jimekberg]

The 3 latest Metallica albums are great.

[@timguzz8844]

Metallica agreed, i cant even listen to the first four, that are great, anymore

[@dennisheflin2680]

Metallica ..that's it.

[@bryanmcfadden4071]

Its completely unavailable to accept the facts that every band grows, changes and keeps up with the Joneses .the perseverance of genuine new riffs will always be the driving force approval going forward with the progress

[@nelsonmaud1]

I listen to kiss I'm that way also it's would be interesting to see artist or geners you hated back then you like. Now kiss always sounds the same agree on young Springsteen don't really like anymore i hate artist talks down you about politics acdc though people kill for all the same but still love them I'm strange 😂