The Controversy of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA (2003)

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After the original Battlestar Galactica went off the air and Galactica 1980 failed to catch on a devoted fan base kept the property alive.
So much so that various creatives tried a few more times to get Battlestar Galactica back on TV. One of those attempts finally made it to air.
Battlestar Galactica hit the air in 2003, lasting 4 seasons and bringing with it much controversy, first from casting and then from tone but went on to be one of the top series of the 2000's.
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[@AlexJimenezLit]

The fact that this came out days after I finally finished watching this show proves that I'm living in my own Truman Show.

[@frankgesuele6298]

Are you gonna break out?🤔

[@christopherneufelt8971]

@@frankgesuele6298 Look behind you. Hi.

[@Knuck_Knucks]

We live in a simulation.🐿

[@frankgesuele6298]

@@christopherneufelt8971 👋🏻

[@b.thomas8926]

You know, there are people alive now, working/going to college who hadn't been born when this show came out. I feel so old.

[@scottcampbell9515]

My back hurts while reading this.

[@ChagrinElectric]

There are grandparents that weren't alive when the original came out in the 70's either😂

[@geesterfunk]

time passes, it always has

[@michaelinterbartolo3]

@@ChagrinElectric you dont have to be a grandparent to be old enough for the 78

[@wstine79]

I graduated from college a year before the miniseries aired.

[@skippermatt7939]

In 2008, my girlfriend and I went to our first DragonCon. Edward James Olmos led the crowd in the big auditorium in a rousing chant of "so say we all!" It was amazing. 2 years later, we got the congregation at our wedding to repeat it back to the officiant. Our older relatives were confused but our nerd friends were beaming.

[@markh995]

My wife and I were there for that chant at D*Con 2008. Best times ever.

[@antr7493]

Mandolorian pretty much ripped it off

[@dungeonsanddobbers2683]

Did ye, aye?

[@DefaultProphet]

Weirdly I've been to three different weddings where that happened lol

[@williamwalkup988]

Loved to have been at your wedding just to say, So say we all... It is a great bonding confirmation.

[@bamesbamesbames]

I lived just outside of Vancouver and got to go to the set of BSG with my high school film class in 2004. There wasn't much going on that day but two actresses happened to be there. Katie Sackoff (Starbuck) was bumming around the set chatting with the PAs, and quickly turned sour when she saw she had to play meet and greet to a bunch of teenagers. She basically said hey hows it going, hope you like the show, then she quickly peaced out. We were all rather disappointed and even the PAs said she was a handful on set. Later, just as we were almost done the tour, Tricia Helfer (Six) came around the corner unexpectedly, gave us all a big smile, a genuine welcome and shook all of our hands. She chatted with us for a few minutes and answered a few questions about the show and the industry. Pure Hollywood class, as our teacher put it then.

[@Halbared]

Nice insight.

[@NotoriousNickNorris]

I crossed paths with Katee once near Mayfair Mall in Victoria. She was incognito, so I respected that and left her alone. I got to work as a PA on the pilot for 13th Precinct, with the wonderful Tricia Helfer. She is indeed as lovely on the inside, if not more, than she is on the outside. Very kind, considerate and personable. A pleasure to work with, I assure you.

[@JustMonikaOk]

Video title 'Controversy of Battlestar Galatic' introduced during video 'History of Battlestar galatica.' Nice clickbait.

[@wstine79]

One of the last shows to air before the network changed to SYFY.

[@mahatmarandy5977]

Not really. You also had Stargate Atlantis and Eureka and Sanctuary and others

[@ishotmyboss]

Sifee

[@satansshadow2163]

Cee fee

[@seibervideo]

Where my Being Human and Lost Girl fans at?

[@reggaemortis4117]

​@@seibervideo Being Human ❤

[@darkhierophant4914]

What a small world we live in. I'm rewatching the show. I'm in the 3rd season right now. Love it. Richard Hatch was a regular customer at a music/video store back in 2002-04. He was a cool guy. He told me he was working with others to try to get a new BG show going. RIP

[@synisterworldwide]

I'm surprised there was no mention of Bear Mcreary.. AMAZING and innovative score to the show and this one really kicked off his career.

[@billkasperdotcom]

Bear Mcreary also did the music for Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and The Walking Dead. Immensely gifted artist.

[@realGBx64]

especially how the music itself becomes part of the story in season 4!

[@bonglesnodkins329]

McCreary deserves plaudits, but people should remember that it was Richard Gibbs who came up with the signature sound of the show, for the miniseries. McCreary was his assistant/understudy, and took over when Gibbs was unavailable for the main show when it received a green light the following year.

[@XMattingly]

God bless Michael Hogan. ✊ Colonel Tigh was _far and away_ my favorite BSG character: deeply flawed, conflicted and uncompromising, but in the end resolute, loyal and the ultimate wingman. Tigh is the ULTIMATE embodiment of “I am not merely a witness to my fate, I am who I _choose_ to be”. POWERFUL stuff, and Mr. Hogan played that character like a fiddle. *So say we all.* ✊

[@eerieeric834]

This show seemed ahead of it time on what topics it was talking about

[@Hadgerz]

Ahead of its time, and now nothing dares touch on what it did. We regressed.

[@btetschner]

Tricia Helfer lived an actor's dream to nail their first big role like that, so iconic! She is one of my favorite actors.

[@liahfox5840]

I agree with you. I think her acting ability gets over-shadowed by her beauty, or she'd get more credit.

[@btetschner]

@@liahfox5840 Agreed! Society values female beauty so much that it tends to blind the viewer to other talents. I don't know how old you are...but there was a very memorable 80s commercial that had the tagline "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful."

[@ocularpatdown]

She is such a kind person!

[@btetschner]

@@ocularpatdown Would be great to meet her!

[@ShallowSedai]

No person could have played that role better than she managed. Magnificent performance. Stage play one room scenes (in space).

[@itsdantaylor]

10:11 Also Edward James Olmos read the initial script and said 'The second you write a alien into the script, I'm done. I will see the alien, I will scream, faint, they can carry me off set, then I'm done with the show entirely'.

[@Mecha82]

That's actually funny.

[@TerranIV]

I hate when actors dictate story. You are in a sci-fi show, sir! Get off your high-horse about aliens being "too nerdy" for you to handle! Sheesh.

[@zenquantum1246]

@@TerranIVtotally get what you’re saying. However, Olmos’s point was that he wanted to be a part of a show that was about characters and their experiences in extraordinarily stressful circumstances with a definite end, but not a monster-of-the-week, deus-ex-machina, VFX-fest that makes new episodes just to keep going. (Think of what The Flash TV series on WB became)

[@makasete30]

Ok Olmos, how about angels, God and a human resurrection? Just joking. At this point the writers weren’t sure if the religious themes would turn out be be true. I wonder how he felt about it as he took on a father role for the crew as it went in and often helped the younger actors in scenes (they often mentioned it). I get what Olmos is trying to say, even though I disagree. At that time, sci if tv within aliens was looked down in in some corners of the old school of acting. The actor for Baltar and Lee Adama also had doubts about the series and mentioned they had images of the 1970s camp series. Olmos revealed on a panel discussion of the show that during the reveal of the final 5 in the script, the actor for Tigh walked out of the room when he found out he was one of them. He kind of implied that he didn’t like the choice.

[@phoule76]

an alien

[@nathangriffiths6218]

There were some great characters in the reboot but Edward Olmos's Adama was really the core of this show in my opinion.

[@PaulHFleming]

Absolutely agree, Olmos was right on cue as Cmdr Adama. I liked the realism, especially military prodicols

[@pike100]

​@@PaulHFleming protocols*

[@danielarizmendy5399]

I love that you including the Portlandia stuff. It’s because of that episode that I watched BSG and I’m so glad I did.

[@NebLleb]

Never thought I'd see the day when the Galactica 2003 show gets proudly featured on Secret Galaxy.

[@JeffersonRedeyes]

What about the day Galactica 2003 got a pinball table? Dropped last month on Pinball FX and it's really good. Before anyone asks, yes there is a "FRAK" ramp.

[@ChairmanChico]

We all knew it was coming…

[@kaibotski4939]

A new reboot is coming btw.

[@NebLleb]

@@kaibotski4939 Oh, yes. I know. I honestly hope that after doing the military grit with the 2003 Miniseries and Show, that they go back to the adventurous tone of the 1978 series.

[@jjohnsonmarine]

I loved this show so much! I was deployed to Iraq in 2005, but my Uncle sent me "dubious" copies of the series on dvd, and we watched it in the FOB. My entire squad was 100% on board. This is maybe the most consistently amazing sci-fi series ever produced...tbh....there hasnt been anything even close to this good in the sci-fi series genre except maybe the Expanse and Altered Carbon, but BSG is always going to hold my #1 spot!

[@LukeJohnson-tw5bo]

Farscape is fantastic

[@musicisfree91]

The Expanse was a worthy successor to BSG. I was hooked right away by both of them.

[@tedwojtasik8781]

@@LukeJohnson-tw5bo Farscape was about the best puppet sci-fi ever made. Loved the show, hated the puppets.

[@MBKill3rCat]

Altered Carbon was overrated schlock, imo. The Expanse was great, but BSG still holds the #1 spot in my heart.

[@AFNacapella]

plottwist: BSG 2025 will be 100% written by AI

[@seandalziel7414]

It's so frighteningly possible.

[@LukeJohnson-tw5bo]

By cylons you mean?

[@pete3011]

Considering the job the humans have been doing recently, sounds like a good plan

[@frankgesuele6298]

Ironic🤖

[@karendarrenmclaren]

And played by AI actors to cut costs😂

[@CUniverse]

10:35 a fandom upest about changes to characters? *IM SHOCKED! SHICKED, I SAY!*

[@parvizdeamer]

That’s the real cycle that repeats itself 😂

[@The1Remainder]

I can’t believe it’s 20 years old.

[@AleksanderNevskij47]

Yeah, it looks like it's about 60 years ago...

[@miller-joel]

I can't believe what kind of delusional pampered baby someone would have to be to see 9 11 as the end if civilization. Completely unaware of the rest of the world, too.

[@wstine79]

"What the Frak!" I hope they have this T-Shirt that was featured on 30 Rock in the 80sTee shop.

[@Briansgate]

What the hell!? Where have I been? over 20 years....gone in a flash!!

[@mosando]

I only realized the 20years after reading the comments, I know he said the dates but seeing it written made me feel old. 20 years wow

[@frankgesuele6298]

As if it were a dream🤯

[@DoggoDogman]

I always thought of the new series as a "sequel to an imaginary reboot." Like, it still felt like there was a story that came before it, only the details were all different from the original.

[@protorhinocerator142]

The prequel Caprica series was just shoehorned in. I could definitely see that originally as another "AI gone bad" show set in our future, maybe 20 years out. Someone must have realized it could pass as a prequel the BSG and they renamed it Caprica. If you were to place that whole show on Earth in 2040 you really wouldn't need to change that much. Replace all the other planets with other countries and keep all the racial tension. It was a pretty interesting story, but it might not have been funded if not for the tie-in to BSG.

[@kayvee256]

@@protorhinocerator142 I tried really hard to like Caprica. I stumbled on a thing somewhere where the... producers? I think it was the producers. Anyway, it turns out that there were two scripts floating around, one for a virtual reality AI gone rogue thing, and another with a Galactica prequel thing with AI gone rogue thing, and those producers just decided to smoosh them together into one show. It showed. It was a long time ago I watched that show but there was this jarring back-and-forth between stuff that felt like Battlestar and stuff that felt completely different. It was such a botched project right from the get go.

[@Yvory6]

That why they call it "Reimagined" to place the old Battlestar as the first war against the cylon but yeah some detail are no more canon like that they discovered modern earth back then and probably some other things as well.

[@SoloRenegade]

all of this has happened before, all of this will happen again....

[@protorhinocerator142]

@@Yvory6 If you listen to the original opening for the show, it took place in the sixth millennium of time. From a biblical view (and probably Mormon) the current time is in the sixth millennium. Basically the idea for the show was Space Mormons. The new show takes place over 100,000 years ago, which is completely different time-wise. The newer show isn't as Space Mormon as the original.

[@billyheaning]

This was the very first show I ever watched from the day it priemiered to the series finale. Even used a VCR back then to record the episodes. It utterly blew my mind---I was instantly hooked. I know when I'm watching quality spaceship television and when I'm not, and this show delivered. The only other show in this genre that gets even remotely close is The Expanse, with a dash of Space: AAB and Firefly.

[@TagardMC]

Anyone else here ever play the BSG board game? Shit rocked.

[@tartrazine5]

"When does my Alcoholism take effect?"

[@mccallosone4903]

super good, but cant get it anymore. its been reskinned as a game called "Unfathomable", also good

[@Kresegoth]

Still own the complete game and all expansions. It's literally a crown jewel of my board game collection :)

[@Yvory6]

Gala Games are working on a Battle Star video game, I don't know it if will be good.

[@joanmoriarity8738]

Meh. I liked it better the first time I played it when it was called Shadows Over Camelot".

[@cdadamly]

SO SAY WE ALL!

[@mosando]

SO SAY WE ALL !!!!

[@MiniPainterGamerDadD20]

SO SAY WE ALL!

[@Rocket_Man232]

🔔 TRIVIA: EJO was utterly convinced that he could bring a BSG sequel into existence. He even had a script. It starts out with him in his cabin on (our) Earth and there's a knock at the door and it's Saul Tigh, who says, "Bill, we've got a problem."

[@tedwojtasik8781]

Followed with, "That twat Baltar invented some shit called disco, some other shit called cocaine and all hell is breaking loose!"

[@tenebrousoul9368]

Alien Nation please

[@MaximumWarp2099]

YES!

[@thelaughingrouge]

Absolutely

[@excessmaterial]

Don't forget the TV movies too. Those are solid too.

[@kevinbartoe7881]

Hell yeah!

[@tenebrousoul9368]

@@excessmaterial there were plural movies?! I only saw one

[@freddiejohnson6137]

Was never a huge fan of the original despite my mother loving it when I was younger and having it on every time it was on TV. I loved this reboot though it actually manages to do something many Sci-fi shows don't and that is keep you gripped and does not run for too long before becoming a watered down version of what started. One of the few times a reboot has worked for me and not just done to cash in on the name it is using.

[@Jkaninteangemittnamn]

But last season were sleeping pill and the eding the same -but logical .I I bought them on DVD relese and last season i dont watch - bad produced and uninterresting plot

[@badhareday7509]

I think new BSG set the gold standard for a lot of modern scifi and fantasy shows. And the casting choices were abolutely perfect. Just frakking amazing!

[@jinpei05]

Everyone was nuts for Tricia Helfer, but for me, it was all about Grace Park 😍

[@kerry-j4m]

It was Kandyse McClure who played Dualla that did it for me. She was-GORGEOUS-and-FINE-and those pretty,green eyes had me in orbit. LOL.

[@CantankerousDave]

The dimples.

[@mem1701movies]

I didn’t like her with the 6 hair. But she was fine with her real hair.

[@tartrazine5]

Nicki Clyne for me. Before all the NXIVM unpleasantness.

[@Sephiroth144]

I was definitely on the Grace train- that said, much like Baltar, I could branch out.

[@PaulCashman]

I was one of those fans of the original series who was irked by, say, a female Starbuck and other changes. I resisted watching it until a few years later I picked up the 4-hour miniseries cheap on DVD...and was totally blown away. They paid homage to the original series while removing the campy silliness and improving virtually every aspect of the show. I bought it all on Blu-ray and never looked back. Easily one of my favorite sci-fi series ever!

[@Strideo1]

I never got past the season where they give up and settle on the crappy planet. That totally killed the show's momentum for me.

[@PaulCashman]

@@Strideo1 wow, too bad. That sequence provided some of the most gripping moments of the entire series, culminating with the now-legendary Adama Maneuver.

[@josebrown5961]

I was one of those fans of the original series. I was 14 when it came out. I was damn near 40 when this came out and I was willing to see what they would do with a female Starbuck, and Boomer. I ended up liking both of them. Now that I am posting I don’t remember a black character in the new series. Oh wait, there was a Cylon male and Dualla.

[@Doughy_in_the_Middle]

Just started binge watching this with my wife and daughter (20). The three of us typically watch NCIS, but all are on hiatus. My daughter and I have already watched Supernatural, all of modern Doctor Who, and Firefly, plus she and I are just starting TNG. I decided this was next for the three of us. Wife and I loved it back in the day, and I'm glad that daughter is enjoying it too.

[@medleystudios72]

When it premiered, it was just when sci-fi channel was turning into a pay channel on my cable netwrk, so I didn't get to see it until years later on DVD. It was then that I binged the entire thing, including The Plan (which I'm surprised you didn't mention.)

[@rouenrobinson]

I watched all of them except for Blood & Chrome... as a kid I really wished the hover bikes in BATTLESTAR GALACTICA 1980 existed lol

[@tipulsar85]

While I have MOST of this series on disc downstairs, the one thing that still is interesting is how well it translated to a tabletop game. In 2008, Fantasy Flight Games adapted it to board game form using the then latest craze, secret roles given to each player on top of character sheets so that you could play as most of the regulars in the cast. The base game only covered the first season, with expansions covered a season each, meaning it had four boxes the size of Ticket to Ride by the time they released the final box in 2013. However back in 2007, it had already been adapted into an RPG by Margret Weiss Productions that had all of a single core book using the same system they had already tested out in 2006 with the now cult classic film Serenity which was the film finale for 2002's Firefly. While the RPG is not all that sought after, the Board Game and its expansions are. The one problem with a tabletop RPG is that most people coming to the hobby are coming to it from the co-operative storytelling side, and might not want to deal much with PvP unlike board games.

[@blameitonthebadgers]

How did Jason Voorhees make it into an X-Men movie reel 🤔🤔

[@alfonsorodriguez799]

Never liked the original show much, did not look real enough, the 2003 reboot was superb as well as the stand alone tv films that came out later. Favorite character? No. 6 of course, cannot get any better than Tricia Helfer.

[@jamesoneavatar8644]

I watched all the series, including Caprica

[@jamesdietz29]

Why is the thumbnail entitled "The controversy of Battlestar Galactica" but the video it's self is titled "The history of Battlestar Galactica"?

[@SethMcFartlane]

Meddling Cylon agents.

[@SickLiq]

Was also wondering. Very little controversy was discussed. It was like 1 minute of the video.

[@dustinherk8124]

clickbait?

[@jamesdietz29]

@@dustinherk8124 This channel is popular enough it doesn't need to do clickbait, so it's sad and disheartening that they've taken to doing it.

[@stewartsmalls2024]

The title also says controversy in print. Only the nattator says "History". So now we have a controversy over the title. And in true nerd fashion we will debate it until the fall of man and eventual victory of the cylons. When they will declare...

[@FoolECK]

Nice thumbnail - check. Good clickbaity title - check. Essay not following the topic - check. This video is a "History of BSG" not a "Controversy of BSG".

[@KenoshiAkai]

I grew up with the '78 version and loved it, loved the science fiction and the mystical religious themes. Battlestar Galactica 1980 was largely a waste except for the final episode, which was so good that I misremembered it as being part of the original series. I was one of those who was skeptical of the reboot and all of the changes but man, when I started watching it, I was hooked. It was my favorite TV series at the time and I loved the cast. I loved the space ships, and I have a collection of a bunch of the die cast vehicles that came out. The Galactica is to this day one of my all time favorite spaceships. An absolute brick of practical design. And the space combat was up there with Babylon 5 as being the best in science fiction (sorry, Star Wars). The ending of the reboot was hard to watch because of how emotional it made me, but I loved it for how beautiful it was. I have the soundtrack and those final pieces of music transitioning from the past to the present still makes my eyes water. "So much life."

[@Reinshark]

But... what was "the" controversy? I was expecting a video discussing a specific controversy, not just an overall history of the show.

[@906087]

I'd say the controversy was letting this kind of junk on TV

[@mikepalmer1971]

@@906087I guess you prefer things like the Kardashians.

[@philsowers]

It was quick but it was character gender swaps, tale as old as time...

[@KomarBrolan]

The ending certainly was controversial, people were expecting more than “God did it”.

[@pike100]

​@@906087Junk?!? The very campy original show with the robot dog was cringe worthy, but the sequels with the Cylons that looked like humans were fabulous. Well written sci-fi with complex characterizations. 👏

[@TheSybermedic]

I am happy to say that I am old enough to have watched both shows live.

[@fernandowhitmore9281]

It's my favourite show. The first two and a half seasons are absolutely amazing.

[@benlime1235]

So, where is the controversy? Did I miss it? It can't be that 30s or so talking about the gender-swapped roles? If so, that's pretty weaksauce. I really liked how they were all changed up.

[@Harpoquondrax]

My now ex-husband was always trying to get me to watch new shows, I always vehemently refused, until I gave in. I'm glad I did because I fell in love with the show and binged it all much like the Portlandia characters. Same with Farscape.

[@TitularHeroine]

Leaving a Like for the Farscape reference :)

[@dmac7128]

I am a fan of the original, and I was deeply skeptical of the reboot especially the changes that were rumored about prior to its broadcast. But I gave it a chance, not knowing what to expect. On boy was I hooked after watching the pilot and the first episode "33" I don't think I have ever watched a show that exceeded all expectations and surprised me as this one did. Season 3 and 4 were not as good as 1 and 2, but first 2 season were of such high caliber that really couldn't be sustained. Those seasons were as close to perfection as one can get. And the last 2 seasons are better than the best seasons found on most other TV series. A testament to its longevity in popularity is that the blu-rays sill sell pretty well on Amazon and anyone who is in to good television that hasn't seen it yet would like it today.

[@ronjon7942]

Yes. I think it will continue to age well for decades. I’ve watched the entire series five times, and probably will continue doing so every 2-3 years. I’ve just started getting interested in Lore channels about Star Wars and Aliens, and have seen a few BSG ones, but before I watch BSG again, I want to immerse myself into all the fan content that’s out there. I find it really enhances the enjoyment of watching a series again.

[@ronjon7942]

I watch the entire series at least every 2-3 years, just finished my fifth iteration. Such a phenomenal series, I could (and have) write pages on how marvelous I think it is. And as much as I pay attention to, I always run across something new. What I have not done yet is immerse myself into the BSG Lore channels as I’ve done with The Old Republic of Star Wars, and the Alien franchise. That should really make my sixth viewing so much better than the previous five. 2003 is done so well, it’s difficult to realize it’s over 20 years old. It has aged well, better than Star Wars, I think. I think the only other opera that will age nearly as well is The Expanse. BSG is such a complex story, with such good writing, brilliant acting, and excellent effects. What I always liked about the series’ effects is while they’re fantastic eye candy, they don’t overwhelm the story and character development. They complement them perfectly, letting the writing and the acting be what’s central to the storyline. Shoot, here I go…

[@jefffalks1519]

10:36 lost their FRAKING minds…missed an opportunity there

[@MrCSeiberlin]

I liked nBSG but didn't love it. It had plotting problems, the biggie with the teased 'we have a plan' secret of the Cylons was it was kill all humans...just dumb. nStarbuck should have been a new character as the Starbuck-Apollo dynamic never worked...Starbuck was supposed to be Apollo's devil may care best friend, not semi-family member, rival, love interest (and the show's best pilot, sniper, special forces, etc.)...could never pick a lane. It messed up Apollo's character a bit as well, somewhat isolating him. Season 3 the show fell off a cliff and the Finale resolution was unsatisfying. Not to mention throughout the show the 50k or so remaining survivors who basically couldn't agree on anything while fleeing for their lives just suddenly to universally decide 'y'know what...lets abandon our ships and technology and just start over on this planet'. Yeah very believable that they'd do a 180 like that. First two seasons were good though.

[@Alucard-A-La-Carte]

The fact that the alleged tech genius got literally honeypotted by technology might be the most trenchant insight of the entire show. I do love that looking back at every "controversial" classic reveals: humans aren't getting worse, the worse ones are getting louder.

[@gabegerszewski3755]

Really enjoyed the 03 version for the most part; had an absolutely amazing cast. Felt like the story got a bit weird in season three (I believe), but it was still worth the watch.

[@MatSpeedle]

I watched pretty much all of this BSG reboot, but when they got really close to the end, for whatever reason I just stopped. Never did finish season 4... Probably should go back and watch it all again. 🤔

[@stein1919]

Eh

[@MatSpeedle]

@@stein1919 oh

[@mysteriiis]

The ending's a bit controversial. Personally, I dug it.

[@jocramkrispy305]

I dropped out too. Not sure why. Maybe I'll dig my box-set out and finish it at some point

[@shaider1982]

Tricia Helfer is also the voice of Sarah Kerrigan in Starcraft 2.

[@Hadgerz]

And Dare in Halo 3 ODST (I prefer the original Kerrigan tbh)

[@joeblankenship377]

I watched the new show because of Portlandia. Then I understood the Portlandia sketch. It was really good, really addictive. I was bummed when it was over. I definitely need to sit down and re-watch it someday. I loved Katee Sackoff on it.

[@robroymccandless8495]

I was in grade school when the original was airing. It was ALL we talked about after each episode. I was so desperate for a Colonial warrior's jacket (and sidearm) that I tried to make my own out of a brown cardigan . . . which failed miserably. My parents got me the Starbuck Halloween costume, those PVC things that ripped all over the place and the mask that made your face sweat. I was really invested in the series, and pretty crushed when it didn't return. I was SUPER skeptical of the new series, but was a part of a fandom forum, and we all agreed to give it a shot. It was NOT the original, which sucked. It WAS it's own thing, which was awesome. I'm glad that I watched throughout the series, and even if the finale was less than satisfying, it was all very good, and well worth the effort. Would watch again. I'd also watch a new series if it was offered. The show now lends itself to pretty much any current set of obstacles and issues we are facing.

[@poposterous236]

Finally watched it the whole way through last year after a lifetime of having it in the background. Fantastic television, great performances from a perfect cast giving career-best performances, incredible space combat and fulfilling character arcs. The only thing that holds it back for me is any mystery plot associated with the Cylons - it never really convinced me that there were satisfying answers to any of the questions they were asking (and it turns out I was right). That and the fact the series lands quite awkwardly in its last moments...

[@protorhinocerator142]

For me the crux of the show was its willingness to "go there". Many other shows like Star Trek TNG would race back to the safety of the status quo. Not BSG, no sir. Like when they found that arrow and magically teleported to Earth. Wow. The Adama Maneuver, of course. One of the best maneuvers in all sci-fi history. I liked the thing where Starbuck was captive in that "house" and finally killed her Cylon captor. Only to have him re-emerge from the bedroom and call her up. And then he said, "Either way you'll be sleeping with me tonight." TWISTED! There was another point that really stood out for me, mainly because of the F-ed up situation and the strong acting. Baltar was sent to examine that Cylon ship with the disease that was killing Cylons. And that one model 6 started screaming at him, "You're the one who killed us! This is all your fault!" And so he shot her. Then he just stood there, trembling, and contemplating what he just did. Wow.

[@JamesNoms]

I really didn't like the ending when I was much younger, it did feel wrong to me and irked me. However I rewatched it through fresh eyes this year in a much shorter time frame it felt much more fitting and things I missed before as a kid, themes I didn't understand came through. Still won;t give it a 10/10 but its a solid 8 for me now.

[@rozodru4790]

to me the BSG Epilogue (if that's what you're referring to) is just RDM "I need to finish this off with my trademark" schtick. if you've watched DS9 and some of his TNG episodes it's a lot of the same "is God real? or is it just some regular person with powers? are you a God? can this person be God? Religion is fun!" I don't think it needed to be there and when I originally saw it I rolled my eyes. It was just typical Ronald D Moore shit, he couldn't resist. I'd take that epilogue with a massive grain of salt. dont' get me wrong RDM is a talented guy and made some fantastic sci-fi but story wise, he's a one trick pony.

[@ChaptermasterPedroKantor-kv5yw]

For all his skills Ron D Moore is like Jar Jar Abrams. He plays with mystery boxes (the Cylon plan), but as he makes the show up as he went along he did not have a coherent satisfying ending planned out. So the Cylon plan was never answered or addressed, it was all just deus ex machina, and it all revolved around getting some human/cylon hybrid DNA into our ancestors. The story and history of the Colonies snuffed out. They might as well have all been obliterated in the pilot. Now RDM is WAY better at it then Jar Jar Abrams, but that is still no substitute for planning a story with such big mysteries out from start to finish before you begin. Like Straczynski had done with Babylon 5. Now the ending of Galactica proved as divisive as the Star Wars Prequels, as we fought bitter online debates about it at the time. And unlike the SW Prequels time has not been kind to the BSG reboot, as while most SW fans have come to terms with the Prequels, no small thanks to Disney, half of the then BSG fandom walked away at the time and never looked back, leaving a much diminished fandom to carry the torch against cultural forgetfulness. At the time I religiously watched every episode as soon as it became available. I have not seen a single episode since. I just can't be arsed. Still love Bear McCreary's music though.

[@churblefurbles]

Hot chicks always survive the apocalypse.

[@Formakiwi]

I was slightly disappointed that Cylon Centruions never spoke in this version. Their distinctive electronic monotones always gave me a chill as a kid, a bit like the Daleks from Dr Who but less strident and less obviously intended to echo the vocal character of Goebbles.

[@thesilverblack708]

Something I just realized: Gaius Baltar = A foretelling of Elon Musk. I hope I get proven wrong.

[@TitularHeroine]

Oh.... Oh sh*t. I don't think you're wrong.

[@GromMolotok]

I watched the original and 1980, loved them both. I didn't have cable when this reboot came on. I see it's on Tubi now, so . . .

[@TexasRy]

the New BSG is a TOP 5 of All Time, the topics, characters, all the twists and turns, I watch the ENTIRE SERIES at least once every few years, DAMN GREAT SHOW! I also do this for Farscape 🙂

[@chiefs300]

My dad, who turned 34 in 1978, had the opposite problem. He remembered watching some of the episodes from the original Battlestar Galactica and thought they were cheesy and dumb. He figured that the 2003 iteration would be the same. I kept trying to convince him that a show could not get more far away from cheesy and dumb than the new BSG but he never has watched it. Maybe someday. To me it is the best show ever.

[@guybates111]

Me too. At the top with GoT and Lost. The close of the series was beautiful, unlike the fall off of the other two.

[@srhatfield]

The Writer's Guild of America organized a strike in 2007-2008 and it absolutely torched BSG's final season. It was sooo bad! Any time you have a show that goes "God told me" you know that the writers had left the building 😂

[@btetschner]

Battlestar Galactica (2003) is one of my favorite tv series of all time.

[@johnr.merlinojr.7668]

It’s the best television show of all time. Period. Every show since has been copying the format.

[@The_Brainsturgeon]

The Space Dock KZbin Channel constantly praises BSG for how realistic the space battles are and how grounded the sci-fi tech-level.

[@jenniferanderson7010]

This was one of my favorite shows, ever. Right up there with DS9 and Babylon 5.

[@stewforwords]

Earth:Final Conflict or Space:Above and Beyond are two hidden gems.

[@seibervideo]

Space: Above and Beyond is one of my all time favorites.

[@kojo7485]

❤🎉Caprica🎉❤ Next 😅 📺 🖥 📺 😊

[@redwingcharlie1]

I just finished another run through the BSG re-boot... Wrapped it up maybe 2 weeks ago. Fortuitous timing.

[@BrettSauve]

Very good show. Own all DVD'S. What I love the most is there is no background music in the scenes unless they are actually playing it ona device during recording. No distractions. And it's more realistic to how we would truly fight in space. Just like how some anime like PLANETES & INFINITE RYVIUS do similar.

[@MungkaeX]

Controversy? Was it controversial for being too awesome? I’ll find out more over the next 18 minutes🍿.

[@williamjohnston5490]

Before it was SYFY channel...it was SCI FI channel.

[@brianlarsen9952]

Glen A Larson (no relation) was the creator of many of my favorite shows in my childhood. Glad you covered this

[@constantinegiotopoulos3033]

I don't get the title, what is the controversy, the gender-switch from the old series to the new? That covered what, 1-2 mins from the 19 min video? This is borderline clickbait, thumbs down.

[@johnharris6655]

Dirk Benedict called the new Starbuck "Stardoe"

[@CoreyKearney]

Dirk Benedict was ass that was butt hurt that he didn't get tapped for the role and furious that they gender swapped it. They decided to do something that wasn't camp. And it worked. They told a story built around the mormen believe structure and got away with it. No ever talks about that part.

[@Freakazoid12345]

Get it?!

[@Shryce]

"Stardoe" never made any sense though.. deus ex machina plot device.

[@pike100]

Disappointing to learn that Benedict had misogynistic and sexist leanings. That kind of attitude indicates a lack of intelligence IMO.

[@johnharris6655]

@@pike100 He was making a point about how to many male roles are being reimagined with female actors. Having an opinion you do not like does not make him Sexist or a misogynist.

[@apersonlikeanyother6895]

Why was it so great? Why did it get so much worse? Why do most American shows devolve into mysticism? Why am I the only one I know who loved Caprica?

[@mahatmarandy5977]

Something I took issue with at the time was the way *some* fans of the RDM show would rag all over the original BSG. I’m fully aware of the problems and embarrassing bits of the original, hell, I’ve made fun of it myself from time to time, but the good outweighs the bad and it was spectacularly ambitious at the time, with it large ensemble cast, VFX, occasional arc-driven stories, etc. So it naturally bothered me when some of the fans of the new show would shit on the old when it became extremely obvious that they had never even seen it. I remember talking to this one guy and said, “well the original show couldn’t have been without some good qualities or else they wouldn’t be remaking it” to which he responded, “this isn’t a remake. They’re going back to the original source material, not the goofy show with the robot dog and the disco haircuts.” I pointed out that the show was the source material, that it’s not based on the series of books or whatever, he did not take that bottle. Insisted I was wrong. I really hate those kinds of exchanges. If people don’t like something that’s fine, that’s a matter of taste, bothers me when people tear things apart without even knowing what they’re talking about

[@jocramkrispy305]

Wasn't the original a film, and they based the original series on that (and endelssly resued the same VFX clips) I may be wrong, it was a long time ago

[@mahatmarandy5977]

@@jocramkrispy305 no. The show was originally a series of three TV movies in one season, which was a fairly common way of testing out a new series in those days (for instance the Love Boat had two, Fantasy Island had two, the six million dollar man had three, and man from atlantis had four) midway through the filming of the third of these TV movies, the show got picked up as a full season. John Dykstra did the FX for the three tv movies, but they couldn’t afford him for the series proper, so subsequent FX were created in house by Universal, who were frankly not up to the challenge. So they reused FX from the movies *endlessly.* The first TV movie was released theatrically in some markets after the show ended, so that’s probably where you’re getting that idea from.

[@AdamBladeTaylor]

I honestly couldn't get into the new series. I tried, but I just found it... boring. Too much drama and angst... not enough sci-fi fun.

[@spitt0110]

paper without corners man... My friend and I were addicted to that show. 2009ish. We were exactly what that portlandia skit was. every moment we had off together we would be watching that show. he was just like, hey, i heard this show is good, lets watch it.

[@DerekScottBland]

They did a collectible card game of BSG, and the cards were cut just like their paper was. It was really weird holding them.

[@noname-JS]

I didn't like Starbuck as a woman with Katee Sackhoff or Lee with Jamie Bamber. My least favorite characters. As a 9/11 epicenter survivor, I feel I got more out of this series than most!

[@KennethDPedersen]

Watched all, loved all, 2004 is still one of my favorite shows of all time

[@archlich4489]

I liked the beginning and the end. Some in the middle dragged for me.

[@Theon435]

11:46 the problem was there mean's of including women was by getting rid of the 2 black guys

[@DigiRangerScott]

There must be some kind of way out of here. Said the Joker to Dafief

[@markh995]

That was moment they FTL jumped the shark.

[@DaNinja60]

And to think i grew up through both of them. I loved how they made it through to the end in the reboot. It was a bittersweet ending.

[@Shryce]

Dirk Benedict was right... the Original Series nailed it the right way... the reboot just never found it's balance and was way to unhinged.

[@bbbabrock]

I watched this mostly due to the thumbnail hook, "Starbuck wouldn't even call". Did I miss that? If so where is it? Or was that just click bait entirely?

[@garrykanter5773]

I watched the original. That big budget that got them cancelled wasn't spent on the episodes I watched.

[@the_once-and-future_king.]

Every episode was a minimum 33% reused shots. I imagine a lot of the money found its way into the coffers of the Mormon cult.

[@makasete30]

go back to the 70s and compare it with other sci fi shows - it looked great. They had the special effects guy from Star Wars John Dykstr. It was the most expensive show on tv at the time.

[@ActionfigureinsiderTV]

I was VERY underwhelmed by the 4-hour miniseries when it was released, but I still gave the new show a chance when it went to series and I'm glad I did! The first episode of the series is named "33" and the premise is that the Cylons have found a way to track the Galactica and they show up and attack them EVERY 33 MINUTES! Once I saw that episode I said "I'll watch anything these guys make!" Dan, I will take issue with one line... you said that "Diamond Select Toys produced a full line of action figures." Only it WASN'T a FULL line as they never ended up releasing the 2 pack of President Rosilyn and Baltar, two main characters that were sculpted, and never produced leaving a huge hole in all of our collections!!! Enjoy your watch of the show. I really think you will dig it.

[@TerryWindell]

No...the robotic Cylons were created by a reptilian race (known as the Cylons) who were jealous of the human form and how adaptable it was. They created their robots with interchangeable parts so they could live forever and the robots later came to be known as just Cylons when the reptilian Cylons died out. This was explained to Boxy by Capt. Apollo in the ORIGINAL Battlestar Galactica series...which in my opinion was far more enjoyable that the "re-imagined" stuff. Just one fan's opinion.

[@michaelhausman8360]

He's talking about the origin in the reboot. Watch Caprica.

[@SSJKamui]

Toys for adults... When you said these words, I pictured something very different.. and I realized I have a dirty mind😅

[@dendostar5436]

Damn Cylons.

[@texasbeast239]

🤖🦾🍞

[@TheSuf]

GASP you’re a Cylon 🫵🤣 Everyone was a cylon turns out Great show ❤️

[@BobGeis]

It was a good show! Not every episode was awesome. The ending was a little flaky. However, it's worlds better than any of the Disney Star Wars garbage.

[@thebadgamer1967]

Loved the OG back '78, yes I'm ancient, but the reimagined is my favourite show of all time especially the miniseries and razor movie just absolute perfection

[@tannerdowney2802]

What was the Dogs name, Daggit?

[@Sephiroth144]

@@tannerdowney2802 Daggit II; Daggit actually died in the Cylon attack on Caprica in the '78 pilot

[@tannerdowney2802]

@@Sephiroth144 you're awesome

[@protorhinocerator142]

Dis you also see "The Plan"? It was pretty much the entire BSG series, condensed, and told from the Cylon point of view.

[@protorhinocerator142]

@@Sephiroth144 That was pretty lame, because "daggit" just means dog. They had some conveniently swapped out words, like "centon" meaning minute. A daggit is a dog.

[@therealcroman]

I tried watching this series as it was airing, but I didn't like any part of it. I wasn't invested in the story or world, the visuals looked cheap, and the characters were universally awful. I don't remember when I abandoned it, but I never looked back. If it wasn't for this Secret Galaxy episode I wouldn't have even remembered that I had once watched Battlestar Galactica. As a franchise, this has had less impact on me than the 2 Ewok movies did.

[@specter7-1977]

Thank you for talking about this show, this show really inspired me when it originally aired.

[@brettleisy356]

I liked Katee Sackoff as a pilot and a character, but she was never "Starbuck". personality. I would have kept the genders of the main two characters 100%, and then given Katee's character a new name and made it an upfront position as a pilot turning the duo into a trio. the other MAJOR downfall of the remake was the absolute lack of meeting new people in space. one of the genius things of the original series was watching their interactions with different people on inhabited planets and occasionally in space. the new version seemed to be way more introverted so there were little self examination of our/their societies. which made it to predictable and in turn... BORING.

[@lifedragon99]

I just watched a clip the other day and was thinking I could go for a rewatch of this. I think you've just confirmed that's what I need to do.

[@snarkleton26]

I didn't like seeing the beautiful Cylon woman being tortured... such a human thing to do.