The Cost of Healthcare in Canada vs USA.

[@MakeThatChange]

Which healthcare system suits you more? 🤑

[@nicktankard1244]

The one where I don’t have to wait months and years :) money I can always earn more. Health I can’t

[@mdf3006]

​@@nicktankard1244Lol, you can "always earn more." Ok. Maybe for now.

[@KamBar2020]

Incoming Trump's Second Term : Oh CANADA 👀

[@Mechone11]

Canada 100% if you need it ,it's there . There are many issues like no abortions for women, no paid maternity leave, lose your job no mandated severance pay guns guns guns 48000 killed in 2023 by gun in US 248 in Canada ..No Thanks

[@camilocuesta]

I get that you don't want to side with one country or the other but this is an evident reality. In USA there are people who kill their health insurers' CEO because of bad the system is.

[@Mechone11]

I can tell you last year I almost died in a bad accident. I was rushed to Sunnybrook where I had 5 broken ribs ,3 vertebrae, ruptured spleen ,adrenal gland ,and had a 5 hr operation removing 1/2 of my large intestine. 10 days on hospital 6 months of rehab...not 1 cent out of my pocket😊I also had a stroke in my eye lost vision was given emergency care and it recovered , at the same time had a bump under my eye removed 1 month later it came back as cancer,again no waiting surgery right away in bowmanville removing it all.not a cent out of pocket.by the way I fully recovered

[@DP-je2sk]

Glad you made it out alive. All the best!!

[@MrHeaven407]

Kudos to you for the qualitative and impartial information in this video. It is so refreshing to see this in such a politicized context about any subject nowadays online. I will support your channel and your work as much as you supported me as a newcomer in Canada. Thank you so much.

[@MakeThatChange]

We glad we could help you feel like home in Canada. Thank you. Let us know what topics you want us to cover more of.

[@MrHeaven407]

@MakeThatChange thank you, It would be interesting to tackle more subjects about newcomers mental health and the culture choc when we settle in Canada. Also at the professional level, how to tackle our "ego" when we arrive with a highly qualified resume and experience but facing the challenge to "restart" everything from scratch or junior positions, and how to cope at the psychological level with that

[@GiLifeline]

In Canada I am paying over 200 a month for insurance. I have no doctor, if you’ve ever watched someone you love die waiting for treatment, you will come up with what’s cheap isn’t good and what’s good isn’t cheap.

[@Mechone11]

@@GiLifeline you mean 200 a month for drugs ,and dental because health care is no cost

[@GiLifeline]

@@Mechone11correct. I don’t have to pay to go and wait in the ER and wait for 9 hours. My benefits (insurance) only covers pills and dental. I would rather pay the 80$ to go and see a doctor though because New Brunswick has an extreme lack of them so there is only emergency care.

[@twitchyrascal]

US Citizen here - I had to pay $4k+ for a uterine biopsy, which is supposed to be a pre-step for me to have much needed surgery. I didn't even spend more than 10 hours in the hosptial. According to my insurance, the hospital sent a bill of 22k for this. Neither the hopsital nor my insurance would give me a rough estimate of what I would owe until I did my post-surgery app which was litterally a week before the biopsy. Lots of people don't have the ability to just pay $4K up front in less than a week. Sure - the hospital might have a payment plan but that can get insane too.

[@MKaribou]

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[@MakeThatChange]

Thank you! We appreciate you!

[@ianmcnulty799]

Great video! Any plans on comparing Canadian health care to the UK or France?

[@lipefranca2957]

I watch your videos to study for my IELTS exam. Good opportunity to learn english vocabulary

[@MakeThatChange]

That's awesome! I hope you ace your exam!

[@golammahmed2802]

If you are low-income middle class your best 👍 option is Canada 🇨🇦 for health care And if you are rich upper class then the USA is your best option for health care simple as that.

[@michaelre7556]

As someone with ALS, I am suffering greatly from the weaknesses and limitations of the Canadian healthcare system. That said, I probably would not be any better off on the other side of the border, it would just be different problems.

[@NicholasSharpe-m1g]

Universal 100 percent

[@murraytown4]

This seems a no brainer to me. What does world class US care mean if you cannot access it? Besides, care in Canada is not chopped liver. As for declining life expectancy, the elephant in the room in the US is violence…particularly gun violence. In Canada (and the US) look at COVID (and possibly the opioid crisis) for declining life expectancies. I’m currently receiving cancer care in Ontario. I’m exceedingly grateful for that care. But as a priority, I’ve experienced minimum wait times and virtually no out of pocket expenses, but I have medical coverage with my former employer (GoC). I’ve no family doctor, but otherwise the system is working for me, and is reason number 1582 why I have zero interest in becoming state number 51.

[@rayraymond3062]

What does world class US care mean if no one can have access to it ?

[@SchnuffiJames]

Canada got the covid vaccine three months after the US but still did much better than the US because we listened to scientists.

[@ToddTravis-l5f]

I hate the Canadian health care.. the wait time's are too long.. I just had a cousin who died from a heart attack because he was forced to wait in the ER.. it took 4 hours of waiting.. and then he sadly died in the ER waiting room

[@Figuremakr]

Also the US "Cost Sharing" part of the ACA is broken. HMO and PPO health care companies have no interest in talking to each other if one is primary and the other is secondary for a person. Flat out does not work, and leaves it up to the individual to sort out the mess. There is no way to "opt-out" of it either.

[@kimc555]

The issue with US medical insurance is even if you have insurance, you use ‘in network’ healthcare companies, and your insurance lists the treatment as covered - you can and likely will be declined coverage when it’s time for them to pay. Having insurance doesn’t mean the insurance company will actually pay for the bills. The decline rate of insurance companies are very high. Canada’s lack of healthcare services in a timely manner happens in the US as well. Just not for the rich.

[@User12345fan]

The wait in the US is minimal compared to Canada and you can always find another practitioner if you have to wait

[@kimc555]

@ correct but that doesn’t mean the visit or meds or treatment is covered by your insurance.

[@Eddardstark9308]

⁠@@User12345fanmove to the US then. If you are then don’t come back here.

[@emcooke2941]

I live in Canada and just had a baby. I cannot believe how amazing the healthcare system is for pregnancy, birth and postpartum. I felt very well looked after (I’m originally from the UK and so used to ‘free’ Healthcare) and I’ve also had several non emergency medical appointments that I was impressed with and seen in no time. So maybe I’m lucky… but I never saw an issue with the Canadian system, I think we’re insanely lucky to have it available to us.

[@emcooke2941]

@ Maybe you’ve just worked at shitty hospitals. Like I said it’s MY experience and I’ve always had a good one. Not a troll.

[@kenyup7936]

@@emcooke2941 it might be different from city to city right.

[@terrymockler]

I have had both systems and don't like either one. Neither prioritizes preventive medicine. My father is 92. So he gets chemotherapy and they discover he is diabetic (this is in Canada) with numbers that are a trainwreck A1C 11-13. Couldn't believe they never detected that before. A1C's are routine. Well maybe it was the chemo. Takes a licking and keeps on ticking. My generation? I can't tell you how many people I knew who are dead some in their 20's. We are talking dozens here. One might expect that over the generations with all that medical advancement we would outlive our parents but not always. I had an interview with a doctor on a cruise and discovered that I wasn't taking my medicine properly. I followed his instructions and my blood sugar numbers were cut nearly in half within a week. And I see an endocrinologist quarterly (USA). I think this is one of your better videos. Nice work. Innovation in the US sometimes means they try anything on you. Quick service sometimes means they are a high-volume practice and churn their patients. You might have also examined which country has the higher malpractice rate. The US system can also sometimes be cold. I am diabetic and tried to get a second vial of test strips because I was going out of the country, but I was refused. Only one per month. Insulin ditto, Ozempic ditto. So I paid out of pocket for the test strips, 130 bucks for 100. A week later, I found the identical product on the shelf at Walmart for $29. It's shameful. That is why I call America a medical prison. We are about to lose our First Amendment rights here, which are the foundation of our democracy. So you won't even be able to complain. Sometimes you don't appreciate what you had (like good health) until it is gone.

[@RaviSingh-iy1nl]

One thing to add on life expectancy: sadly, the US has more of certain social issues than Canada. If you remove the unluckiest people (those who die young from violence, drug addiction, etc), life expectancy is roughly the same across both countries.

[@MKaribou]

As a Canadian I’m grateful with what we have, but it’s absolutely true that the health care system is not having good days nowadays with the long wait times and lack of enough of everything in healthcare. It definitely needs lots of improvement, but when a Canadian needs emergency medical help they know that they will get it no matter what without paying a dime out of pocket. This is why we have a peace of mind that we don’t have to worry about how we’re going to pay if something happens to us or to a loved one, because help will be there at that moment no matter who you’re instead of getting bankruptcies or filing a bankruptcy because of a medical bill. Of course, it’s not a great health care system, it absolutely needs huge improvement but we’re better than those who are filing bankruptcy because of a treatment they needed to be alive. For low-income Canadians like me, couldn’t be so proud of my country, Canada, because I know that help will be there when there is emergency medical care needed. Hope they improve the waiting times and expand it a bit more because our eyes and teeth and our brains are all part of my body as well, and I hope that they remove the ambulance transportation fee, which are too high. I don’t know the whole country, but I’m Alberta they charge you $350+ or more if an ambulance transports you to the ER or to the hospital which ridiculous. That’s literally adding an insult to the injury because when an ambulance is required or called you’re between life and death, almost closer to death, and to be asked to pay for that service when you’re really in the most vulnerable time of your life that you really need medical care emergency, it is really cruel and adding insult to injury, hope they change that part. In general, I’m and will be proud of the Canadian healthcare system, and I know it needs tremendous improvement but it saves us when we need!

[@SchnuffiJames]

Better a long wait time than no health care at all because of pre-existing conditions that only exist in the US because everywhere else that's called your medical history.

[@icevoss9917]

Confusing, i wouldn't know which to choose. I'm a Canadian in New Zealand, we have to pay to see the doctor here. If the doctor sees fit, you get a referral, say to get a scan or x ray, or specialist. But the specialist can deny you or the wait times are month to a year. I had heart palpitations and after waiting 1 year to see the cardiologist for an heart ultrasound, he decided no. He drew a picture of a heart on a piece of paper and said, there is your problem coming from. No medicine, no nothing. So i went home and prayed, I'm a Christian, so i know the Lord sees and hears everything. And yes He answered and the heart palpitations stopped that i had since 15 years.

[@terrellmiller7361]

Perspective: here in the US I have a high-deductible health insurance plan, an extension of my coverage before I retired. Monthly premiums (all in USD) of $550, with copay, high deductibles and out of pocket caps. In November I had to go to the ER late one night with what turned out to be a kidney stone. I was there for about four hours. Blood test, CAT scan and a quick 10-minute consult with the ER doctor. Total the hospital billed was just over $11,000. Insurance covered $9000 of it, but I had to pay over $2000. For four hours mostly just lying on an examination table tryna stay awake. And kidney stones being the way they are, by the time I got to see the doc I felt fine, no pain at all.

[@nicktankard1244]

@@terrellmiller7361 in Canada you could’ve waited 12 hours or more in the ER without seeing a doctor or any tests. But it’s free. 4 hours in ER is almost unheard of here unless you’re actually dying and it’s easy to diagnose right away. There was a story recently in Canada where a man waited something like 10 hours got tired and went home because he wasn’t feeling that bad. And he died at home. I’d rather be a few thousands poorer than dead.

[@KamBar2020]

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[@KamBar2020]

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[@terrellmiller7361]

@KamBar2020 not even close

[@KamBar2020]

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[@T0MapleLaughs]

I've recently read that healthcare has eclipsed housing as the biggest spending category for US consumers to spend money on. It's also responsible for around 40% of their recent jobs growth. Obviously the pandemic and post-pandemic eras contribute to that, but it's not like Americans are getting all that much healthier. Canada's biggest problem is wait times, and that won't be going away because wait times are the only public pressure methods doctors and nurses have available to them to put on governments to get more funds. But as we know from the US example, more funds doesn't necessarily mean better healthcare. Ultimately I'd expect more and more people from both the US and Canada to consider Mexico as a source for their healthcare, as that would alleviate both expense and wait times concerns.

[@carlvillamor2808]

what about Australia?

[@dr.afzaaldar]

Post about Homoeopathic colleges treatment and its status

[@cheekymonkeygirl3378]

I live in Canada and the healthcare system denied me the biopsy for many years. 😢

[@shredandspin]

That’s odd. Biopsies are usually no issue.

[@hannaantonova5953]

You are right, If I have enough money (If I ever have 😢) I will use private medicine with the best equipment. But for now, of course, I am glad to use free medicine.

[@Keyblackcmyk00]

When it comes to North America, I appreciate Québec's private healthcare for its balance of quality and affordability compared to the U.S. (I've a private insurance, and almost everything is covered in the private cliniques) However, in general, I find the private healthcare systems in some European countries offer a better value for the quality of services they provide. In general, I'm not a big fan of public healthcare systems. For example, countries like Denmark and Sweden, often cited as models by some North American socialists, actually outsource significant portions of their healthcare services to private companies. They achieve this through well-regulated partnerships that maintain high healthcare standards. So, yes, Sweden and Denmark have notable private joint ventures integrated into their healthcare systems (so less public control and more entrepreneurs). Lorenzo 🇮🇹🇪🇺

[@btfrost]

Most healthcare in Canada is delivered privately but paid for publicly. It’s barely socialized medicine; the UK has real socialized medicine.

[@KamBar2020]

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[@catherineDEISS]

je suis Française et je suis très heureuse de notre système de sécurité sociale et de nos différentes Mutuelles en rapport à différents pays nous sommes privilégiés dans notre système sociale, même si commence à changé un peu à cause des abus de certains hélas!

[@KamBar2020]

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[@newworld6474]

if the doctor determines you need to live in. a nursing home is that fee in Canada ... maybe you can compare old age retirement. homes/nursing homes for America and Canada?

[@nicktankard1244]

Nursing homes in Canada are not free but subsidized. Not sure about the actual cost and wait times to get into them

[@KamBar2020]

Tell that to Pierre Polievre 🤔

[@camilocuesta]

yes, it is very simple. In Canada you have universal health care. End of the debate.

[@pacoflores5059]

Thank 🎉❤

[@MakeThatChange]

Thanks for watching!

[@carriepybus8929]

Canada has another hiccup, every province only covers its own registered citizens. If you are in another province or territory you pay for everything just like any foreign tourist. Like any tourist unless you have private insurance that gives some help. In emergency situations when an out of province hospital is closer you will not be given a choice and just taken to them and given a bill a few months later.

[@catherineDEISS]

Mis à part tous les problème actuels en France, en ce moment nous sommes très contents et heureux du système de sécurité sociale, la chance que nous avons depuis toujours, bien sûr il est préférable d'avoir et de prendre une Mutuelle de santé qui viendra compléter le manquement de la sécurité sociale. Et aucune différence sur tous les départements de la France, et pour l'Etranger nous avons la possibilité de demander avant de partir en voyage, une prise en charge spécifique d'accord santé.

[@BilboSwagginsTheThird]

That's not really true though, most provinces have agreements with each other to send the costs over, what they will pay for is province dependent, but for the most part they have agreements for at least emergency hospital visits. As far as I can tell, in general, they usually cover fully most of what they cover fully in the origin province, but won't always subsidize anything out of province, so in BC they don't cover out of province pharmacy or ambulance, but a hospital/doctor visit is covered as long as it's not private.

[@carriepybus8929]

@BilboSwagginsTheThird I'm from BC & I know BC makes citizens pay now after the fact if it is decided it wasn't necessary for life even though first responders said otherwise (as the equipment needed or procedures needed to determine that were not readily available in province.)

[@carriepybus8929]

@BilboSwagginsTheThird Also, in province, people like me without private insurance who are permanently disabled do not get everything covered for medication costs. Some months I have paid over a third of my income for some medications necessary for life. The only way some would be completely covered is if in the ER and they prescribed it for that day. BC's provincial healthcare paid in part by the federal government is managed behind the scenes by an American insurance company. Most other regions in Canada are doing similar.

[@BilboSwagginsTheThird]

@@carriepybus8929 So nothing I said was wrong then. The province chooses what you do and don't pay for, in and out of province, if BC decided that you could have received care at an in province facility and were instead taken elsewhere unnecessarily (according to the ones making decisions on payment), maybe they won't. I've never seen medication even alluded to being entirely covered in BC, it's subsidized by the province, but it's not completely covered by MSP for anyone afaik. From the government themselves : "If you are eligible for coverage while temporarily absent from B.C., MSP will help pay for unexpected medical services provided the services are medically required, rendered by a licensed physician and normally insured by MSP. Reimbursement for physician services will be made in Canadian funds and payment will not exceed the amount payable had the same services been performed in B.C. Any excess cost is the responsibility of the beneficiary." "Most physicians in other Canadian provinces and territories (except Quebec) will bill their own provincial/territorial health plan for services provided if you present your valid B.C. Services Card. The provinces/territories recover the funding monthly between each other." "If you are admitted to a publicly funded hospital in Canada, the cost for most outpatient and inpatient services will usually be managed by the provincial or territorial health care plan. If you receive an invoice from a public hospital in Canada for insured medical services, please contact: Ministry of Health, Out of Province Claims, PO BOX 9647, STN PROV GOVT, Victoria, B.C. V8W 9P4 B.C. residents are strongly advised to purchase additional health insurance when travelling to other Canadian provinces/territories to cover the cost of services not included in the reciprocal agreement between the provinces/territories." None of that sounds like being treated like just any other foreigner if you travel out of province.

[@charzanboo9940]

Oh boy!!

[@KamBar2020]

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[@biankakoettlitz6979]

Drugs are cheaper in Canada than the US, as we learned during the pandamicwhen the borders were closed, but why, if you must buy them in both countries?

[@baronofgreymatter14]

I have never heard an American going to Canada to get healthcare. There are TONS of stories of Canadians coming to America because of wait times and availability

[@MakeThatChange]

It would be difficult to do that, since you need to be a resident in one of the provinces to have access to free Canadian healthcare. And people keep quiet about such illegals things as fake health cards and IDs to get a free treatment in Canada. Haven't you heard about Americans buying drugs in Canada because they are cheaper?

[@baronofgreymatter14]

@MakeThatChange I haven't. I have in Mexico tho. The fact that it takes 6 months to get an MRI etc is pathetic. Does the USA have issues yup. Canada is far worse. If Canada is so wonderful why is there private health insurance in Canada ? Why do those that can afford it skip to the head of the line?

[@MakeThatChange]

Private insurance covers what’s not covered by public healthcare. Private insurance is complementary to public. You can rewatch the first half of the video where we explain that.

[@baronofgreymatter14]

@MakeThatChange go ask the rich folks. They don't use public health care at all.

[@MakeThatChange]

rich folks do many things, not quite sure what value this argument has here..

[@User12345fan]

That’s not the US life expectancy, it’s not 76 years, it’s 79.25. You shorted the US by 3 years.

[@MakeThatChange]

You might find this article from American Medical Association interesting: www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/what-doctors-wish-patients-knew-about-falling-us-life-expectancy

[@Figuremakr]

IMHO: If you are younger and have a higher paying job in California, KP is the best by far.(if offered by your employer) If you earn under $75K then living in Calgary w CHCS is the best option. If you are retiring, you will need tons of $$$, be one of the -1% with a good plan, and live in California/Washington to survive. Otherwise you will need to get creative, and or live in Canada. I grew up in Canada before moving to CA, and I have used several US plans for ~30 years now Blue Cross, Priemera, etc They ALL fell short, and where very difficult to determine costs and coverage. Simply horrible for everyone. Utter shit-show. Even the Nurses and Doctors WORKING in those systems hated it. However Kaiser Permanete. is actually pretty good. Expensive yes, but easy to determine coverage and costs.

[@upcycledcopycat8389]

It's not so much a difference between us and them... The care one gets between provinces is more striking. We've lived in BC and Alberta and have family in both as well as Ontario. Alberta has the best care IMO, though BC is not far behind. My husband is 81 and has many issues. Has never had any wait times ever. As a senior the care in this province is really good. "Preventative" is the optimum here. Alberta medical will keep you alive as long as humanly possible. Heart disease, diabetes, stroke prevention. In Ontario (my daughter worked in health care for years in a clinic her partner worked in NICU. whenever he brings up anything to do with it you can see he experiences PTSD) patients aren't so much denied but experience less"enthusiasm" by doctors & specialists to get the care they need. Or are given the run around. That's just not the norm here in Alberta. At least not in Calgary. Both rural Albertans and BC are routinely sent to specialists for assessment and care to larger cities. That's what family in both provinces experienced. Can't say the same for rural Ontario though.

[@Eddardstark9308]

I don’t know how doctors are over worked when they don’t even work half the week but I hope someone can correct me on that

[@MakeThatChange]

You might find this article "How Many Hours Do Doctors Work" from Canadian Medical Association interesting: www.cma.ca/healthcare-for-real/how-many-hours-do-doctors-work

[@mikearchibald744]

Canada doesn't have a national healthcare system, it has ten provincial and three territorial ones. THe healthcare in the poor provinces is WAY different than the healthcare in the rich ones. THere is emergency care that is relatively standard, but its triaged and so there are waits. The reality is that nobody stops you buying american healthcare insurance and going to the US for care if you have to wait too long in Canada. Which by definition makes it better.

[@albertescribalemina9886]

Depend on how much money you have I understand for 80% of population it's better canada , for 10% more or less equal , the last 10% is better in USA

[@classicalguitargirl]

Another crazy thing in Canada is that it’s not national coverage You must live in your province required number of days annually and if you get sick in another province you have to rely basically on travel insurance!! What you said about having travel insurance in US is essential and the payment in so crazily complex but the treatment is excellent

[@BilboSwagginsTheThird]

That's not entirely true and depends on the province you're living in alongside the province you're traveling in. Most of the provinces have agreements with most of the other provinces to pass along the cost to each other for services available in their normal coverage (if you're using a publicly funded medical service), so if you live in Alberta and are traveling in Ontario, an emergency doctor's visit should be covered under Alberta's provincial coverage. However, it mostly depends on your province, Alberta seems to have a blanket "if it's covered in Alberta it's probably covered in the rest of the country (except Quebec)", while some other provinces do not do the same, good to look into it for your province.

[@philippeperrot3020]

Canadian health system isn’t good for everybody, specially the foreigners. I am myself working in canada, or more precisely in quebec for more than 3 years, and i still do not have any access to healthcare, even if having paid dozen of thousand of cad taxes. Quebec has made laws stating: * Foreigners on temporary work permit have right to pay taxes, but not to have access to healthcare. * New permanent resident do not have access to healthcare the 1st year, and would be billed for any care they use if the leave quebec during the 1st year because of lack of employment because of quebec xenophobia. Also, quebec sets their own prices for medications. For example, generic hiv medication are sold 10-15 times the price normally sold elsewhere in the world, because of probably corruption in the system, The first 1200 $ of medications of the year are not covered. for myself, even if i might next year have acces to quebec health system, after 4 years of work in canda, i will probably not use quebec ramq as it is way more expensive to buy medications at the quebec price, even with the ramq coverage, than travelling abroad and pay medications at the normal market price(10x cheaper than in quebec). The only useful thing with quebec health system is that, if finally, after 4 years of work in canada, ramq finally accept cover me, i would have eventually free blood tests (worth 300 $). But i would also have to wait weeks or month to see first the doctor or specialist to make the prescription to be able to ask blood tests to labs. In quebec, labs refuse to do blood test without prescription, even if you offer pay them the full price. I have the feeling that quebec healthcare might be good for some specific types of populations, like ederly 60+ years or people born in quebec that do nothing in their life, basically, the population category that would vote for actual quebec government. For that kind of population, they effectively have completely free healthcare. But for many other categories of population like temporary workers, the healthcare system isn’t good at all despite the very pricey taxes that both foreigners and quebecers are paying.

[@nicktankard1244]

The problem with measuring stuff with stats is like that famous saying “average body temperature across the hospital”. Doesn’t help you individually. The objectively best healthcare system would be the one where you don’t have to wait at all and everything is free while the quality of care is top notch. Unfortunately neither Canada or the US are nowhere near close to that. For me personally my view is that I can always make more money but I can’t get more health. So on average I’d prefer to pay in money rather than time and/or suffering.

[@MakeThatChange]

Well said!

[@mdf3006]

It sounds like you've never had a real, significant health problem or injury in your life. In both systems, including and especially the Canadian one since you're preoccupied with wait times, you DO NOT have to wait for treatment for anything more serious than a sore throat or a sprained finger. When my father was diagnosed with cancer, he was in the oncologist's office that same week scheduling his treatments. He survived. Had it been the US, he would have died or we would have gone bankrupt, or maybe both.

[@KamBar2020]

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[@nicktankard1244]

@@KamBar2020 not gonna happen. Also I wouldn’t want the US style healthcare with Canadian salaries. Salaries in Seattle are 2-3x more than in Vancouver so you can afford to pay more for healthcare there for a better experience.

[@shaffand.7375]

well it wouldn't be free either way. Either you pay private insurance or you pay the government. but both healthcare systems are sub-par imo

[@KSpaceyRules]

Very informative, thanks!! It will be interesting to see if Trump will make any cuts to Medicare or Medicaid. Canada's life expectancy has continuously fallen since Covid. Obviously Covid itself, the increased substance abuse during Covid, and the mental health issues exacerbated by Covid are most likely the contributing factors. Though anecdotal, from my experience, I have noticed that due to a lack of medical staff, we have hired too many mediocre (if not incompetent) and apathetic people. Hopefully both trends will reverse.

[@CAMILOMUNDO]

You can't even compare the two systems. USA it's about money; Canada is about humans.

[@KamBar2020]

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[@marcosandrade5918]

Don’t you think it is hard to say it is a « Canadian » healthcare as each province has its own system?!?

[@MakeThatChange]

totally!