The Council of Nicaea

In this video we will discuss what historically happened at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD.
Sources:
Letter of Alexander of Alexandria - www.fourthcent...
Eusebius on the Council - www.newadvent....
Arius quote/beliefs - en.wikipedia.o...
Nicene Creed - www.fourthcent...
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[@purpleguy-bu5fe]

Saint nick really said: im known for two things giving presents to kids, and slaping heretics,,,,and im all out of presents 🎁

[@twistedbydsign99]

That chanting in the background, I had an old co worker who used to chant like that at his desk and when the boss was talking. Everyday I had tears of laughter, I miss that guy

[@francisjudge]

I appreciate your presentation style, and am glad to have found your channel

[@SanctusApologetics]

thank you , that’s means a lot !

[@formicapple2]

I really enjoyed the video. Not too long not too short. You explained the Council very well.

[@SanctusApologetics]

i appreciate the support , thanks for watching !

[@mavhunter8753]

This was fun! I’m subscribing! These videos are for Bible study, because understanding the Bible requires this kind of historical backing!

[@SanctusApologetics]

thank you so much, glad you enjoyed !

[@DavidFuller2036]

Yes history is so important. I met Arias

[@lewisdawes8713]

Didnt know that about St Nicholas haha very cool

[@loulasher]

So Arius was the first person to get a lump of coal for Christmas. History is so amazing sometimes.

[@SanctusApologetics]

😂best comment

[@jamesfahey5686]

More like got slapped with a lump of coal😂

[@mikelord9860]

"Merry Christmas, HERETIC!". -Ol' St. Nick.

[@jeremiahrowesr.3130]

Yeah I love how the Mormons the Muslims and the Jehovah's witnesses take the Nicene Creed and the council of nicea out of context. The Jehovah's witnesses in the Mormons go and blame Constantine saying that he forced the doctrine of the Trinity upon the church, when that's actually not even the case. The reason why they don't give you the actual story is because they already know what the actual story was, and they also blame Constantine and saying oh the Roman Catholic Church created the doctrine of the trinity. So that means that the Trinity is pagan when that's actually not at all what that even means because if they knew any better which they actually do and if they weren't as ridiculous as freaking Arius himself then they would also understand that aryanism was forced upon Christianity and that Constantine was baptized into arianism after Arius died. So that's what Jehovah's witnesses in Mormons do they already know what the story teaches just like the Muslims know what the story teaches but they give a generic view of it. To make Christians out to be the bad people, when point of fact we aren't and the doctrine of the Trinity is actually taught in the Christian doctrine if you look in the Bible you can obviously find it. Jehovah's witnesses will say up and down the word Trinity is not in the Bible so I'm not going to agree with that. Neither is the word bible. So are you going to believe the Bible is the word Bible's not in the Bible? This is what pathetic wrongdoing cults in false believers do all the freaking time just like one this Pentecostals they say the same stinking thing when they already know what the story is and they already know what it teaches and it does not teach what they think it teaches they give a generic story about it.

[@FOLKTALES456]

​@jeremiahrowesr.3130 This is your argument just because the word the Bible is not in the Bible is reasons enough to say the others are wrong.

[@mr.boboman5701]

Honestly love your videos ❤️

[@SanctusApologetics]

I always appreciate your support , God bless!

[@natanaeltorres3914]

I love your Videos, please keep making them, because they are really helpful and informative, especially because i have to do a lot of presentations about these topics.

[@SanctusApologetics]

Of course ! Im very happy that they are able to help you with your school lol!

[@garybrown585]

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[@apostolicfollower]

awesome!

[@ElenaAshe]

Great video!

[@douglassiqueira2347]

Lovely music in the background.

[@ironymatt]

This is the first I've seen of your videos, and I liked the succinct overview, woowoo music and all. (Seriously, background Gregorian chant is perfect - don't know why it bothered the other guy) My question is about the word begat, since that seems to be what Arius' objections hinged on. Is there a theological definition or understanding of it that differs from the secular meaning of causing, generating, procreating, fathering etc?

[@SanctusApologetics]

Thanks for the support , i appreciate that , the word begat stems from begotten, and it means to bring into existence, the problem with Arius is he took the word too literally obviously, because when Christ was begotten, he was begotten into the flesh, and not literally into existence. Hope that helps

[@ironymatt]

@@SanctusApologetics thanks, it does! I thought maybe it had some kind of eternal implication if applied theologically, but the simpler explanation makes perfect sense. I sometimes tend to overthink... God bless!

[@M-i-k-a-e-l]

@@SanctusApologetics Arius may have been right, Just because a pagan leader organized a council that voted a certain result doesn´t give any evidence to its accuracy.

[@SanctusApologetics]

@@M-i-k-a-e-l The new testament doesn’t agree with his beliefs tho , john 1:1 for example clearly contradicts his beliefs , Jesus claims to be God and is called God on multiple occasions

[@M-i-k-a-e-l]

@@SanctusApologetics Well, we both know that many variations about biblical interpretations exist. I know some very devoted folks who would interpret this john 1:1 in other ways, more esoteric, using paradoxical logic. Personally, I don´t see any single sentence in the bible claiming Jesus is God. But does that mean I am right just because I feel very convinced and share those beliefs with other's who confirms my bias? No. However, I think we humans just don´t know the highest levels of metaphysics and the most honorable we can do is admitting that and start to really soften down with our divisive and childish ways to go about these things.

[@History_MadeMe_Catholic]

“Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.” ‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬-‭8‬ ‭ -Historian Ramsay MacMullen, ‘Christianizing the Roman Empire: 100AD-400AD’

[@jackdollins]

Thx. Good job.

[@alexanderh2345]

Arius’ position became the established position in the empire post-Nicea before it reverted back to Athanasius. But for awhile Athanasius had to hide because he was deemed the heretic.

[@knockout4121]

Respect to saint Nicholas

[@zekdom]

Potential correction: Saying that Nicholas almost lost his position as bishop over slapping Arius… well, I don’t think that certainty is warranted. Last I checked, the slapping of Arius could be a legend. I don’t think there’s a historical consensus on that point. Do you have a source for this?

[@SanctusApologetics]

comment feed back!

[@TheMargarita1948]

Do we need the woo-woo music?

[@SanctusApologetics]

i’ve gotten good feed back about it too , but i’ll take yours into consideration

[@user-sf2pn5le2h]

@@SanctusApologetics Don't listen to him

[@TheTrueOnyxRose]

@@user-sf2pn5le2h: *her

[@M-i-k-a-e-l]

Woo woo? Sacred chants.

[@frodowayne]

Ofc an emperor such as Constantine didn't influence the council, he just converted to Catholicism because he experienced Divine Revelation and not for any political reasons

[@alexanderh2345]

I rolled my eyes when he said Constantine had no influence. Lol

[@M-i-k-a-e-l]

Theologically speaking, I happen to believe that Valentinus was the one who was closest to actual metaphysical truth(s). Can I prove it, no. Can the nicene creed christians prove their points, no. And just because there is a majority deciding something doesn´t mean it is true. We all know that, we see it on a daily basis. So why this council is still accepted as defining the most accurate christian faith is beyond me.

[@Thedisciplemike]

It becomes interpretation vs interpretation unless you hold to an external source of authority

[@M-i-k-a-e-l]

@@Thedisciplemike Not really. All external authorities consists of lone individuals like you and me. Humans with their unique position towards the divine, with their pure openings for the Holy Spirit to move freely through and their defenses and distortions of the human ego and false self. This makes for both listening humbly to all humans AND not to take everything as truth no matter how convinced the person is. Numbers doesn't say anything either, as we should have learned by now, watching the rear view mirror of all history and also the current state of the world. Collective traditional habits are not necessarily authorative essentially speaking. Can be. Can be not. The journey to truth is often pathless and utterly lonesome, although good companions and guides may come our way, they cannot walk for us. That is the cross we bear. Yes, I can namedrop very heavy names among mystics, esoteric christians, researchers etc, but it would just be another round leading nowhere. I wish you a blessed way ahead, fellow human.

[@Thedisciplemike]

@Mika El if we are left to live in such darkness, why does Christ stress truth? It seems you don't really know who to trust, nor have you a strong epistemological case for any sort of worldview. But what if there is an external authority? Say, the Church, which was promised to be "guided into all truth"? Since you admit there isn't a way to know for sure one way or another way, why not put your faith in the statements Christ? "I will be with you always, until the end of the age." In your worldview, there is no guiding into truth. Christ wasn't with us.

[@M-i-k-a-e-l]

@@Thedisciplemike I can tell from your answer that I failed to communicate what I wished to do. So, to not add to the misunderstandings I think it is best we stop here. English isn't my native tongue either. Take care!

[@Thedisciplemike]

@Mika El I initially said "it becomes interpretation vs interpretation unless there is some kind of external authority". You said "not really" and then went on to give me an idea about how we are all free to choose what sounds good to us the best we can. This very reply proves my initial statement. It's just my interpretation vs yours unless we have an external authority to appeal to for our interpretation, i.e., the Church

[@kyleadamslivaric365]

Bro, what's the name of the chant in the background? 🙏

[@JandroD]

Did he ever give you the name?

[@rogermccullough7789]

And what does the LORD require but to do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly. This is where Christianity went wrong - they became obsessed with things we cannot know and things that have nothing to do with loving God or following the teachings of Jesus. I would wager that 90+ % of Christians who recite the churchy sounding Nicene Creed have absolutely no idea what they’re saying or how or why it was developed and I would guess many wouldn’t agree with it, if they did. How can anyone say what I BELIEVE is wrong and what they BELIEVE is right since belief by definition is a mental representation we hold to be true in the absence of factual evidence. I practice love of God and neighbor. I don’t believe it into existence. I act justly and I practice compassion, mercy, and kindness. I don’t believe them into existence. As in Isaiah 1:11-17, I can hear God say “I don’t want your creeds and catechisms, your liturgies and hymns. I want you to do what I told you to do.”

[@Th3BigBoy]

You are a son of Abraham.

[@christophersalinas2722]

you good bro?

[@alexanderh2345]

The greatest of all commandments is “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord.” We are required to believe in God’s true monotheism. You’re right about Nicea being rubbish and trinitarians don’t truly understand it. But Christianity must return to the worship of the one God revealed in Jesus Christ.

[@rev.stephena.cakouros948]

The Council of Nicaea was guided by what the scriptures teach so also was the Council of Orange [529] but the Roman Church fell off the rails in Second Nicaea [787] and it has been downhill ever since. The Roman Church is now a Montanist sect acting as if it speaks for God even o where it adds to scripture or when allowed to can overrule it. The Council of Trent [1545-1563] virtually denied the truth of Galatians 2:21, 3:11, Titus 3:5-7, Romans 4:16 etc.

[@TheTrueOnyxRose]

The Lutherans also accept the Council of Nicaea. It’s probably also true of other older Protestant denominations like the Anglicans, Episcopalians, and Presbyterians, but don’t quote me on that.

[@SanctusApologetics]

ya makes sense , they hold to tradition similar to catholics and orthodox

[@SanctusApologetics]

ya makes sense , they hold to tradition similar to catholics and orthodox

[@danielpk6725]

it's interesting the high level of the theological discussion back then, nowadays Christ "the Logos" is seem "too muh as a person" a very materialistic view kinda similar to mohammed or buddah (" just prophets"), modern christians forgot that Christ is the Logos (Logos= reason and language, the "logic" by which all things are made", order, the "wisdom of God") "and the Logos is God" says John1.1 Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ho ὁ Λόγος... καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος En archē ēn ho Logos... kai Theos ēn ho Logos. "in the beginning is the Logos ...and God is the Logos" "Logos" doesn't mean just "the word" 1 Corinthians 4:20 "For the Kingdom of God is not in "the word/s" but in dynamic." the original greek specifically uses the term "dynamei" (δυνάμει)=dynamic, power,force. biblehub dot com /interlinear/1_corinthians/4-20 dot htm mormons in a way follow the footsteps of Arius, they do not belive that the Logos is God, they translate the greek as: kai Theos ēn ho Logos. "and a god is the Logos" so they see the logos as a separate entity from God "the father". so curiosuly enough we are seeing a lot of the same issue that the first christians dealt with coming back, all this discusion is in greek because that's the language of the new testament this is important because there is no latin translation for the term "logos", the correct way to translate John 1.1 is adopting the term.

[@SanctusApologetics]

@@danielpk6725 love how you incorporated greek into your arguement , thanks for the comment !

[@christophersalinas2722]

Not really. The Nicene Creed’s ending is in opposition to Lutheranism. “I believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.” Lutheranism isn’t the one true church established by Christ, nor is it Catholic nor apostolic. The Canons of Nicaea are in contradiction to Lutheranism. For example Canon 8 Concerning those who call themselves Cathari [a heretical sect separate from the Catholic communion] if they come over to the Catholic and Apostolic Church (proving that there is one visible Catholic Church established by the Apostles), the great and holy Synod decrees that they who are ordained shall continue as they are in the clergy. But it is before all things necessary that they should profess in writing that they will observe and follow the dogmas of the Catholic and Apostolic Church…..and a time [of restoration] fixed so that in all things they will follow the dogmas of the Catholic Church. Wheresoever, then, whether in villages or in cities, all of the ordained are found to be of these only, let them remain in the clergy, and in the same rank in which they are found. But if they come over where there is a bishop or presbyter of the Catholic Church, it is manifest that the Bishop of the Church must have the bishop's dignity; and he who was named bishop by those who are called Cathari shall have the rank of presbyter, unless it shall seem fit to the Bishop to admit him to partake in the honour of the title. Or, if this should not be satisfactory, then shall the bishop provide for him a place as Chorepiscopus, or presbyter, in order that he may be evidently seen to be of the clergy, and that there may not be two bishops in the city.“

[@corym8358]

Please work on your enunciation. Speak every word very clearly and completely. You have great potential.

[@darrellperez1029]

You know what be cool. If you did a video on the Syond of Carthage leading to the origins of the bible. The same one other religions outside of Catholicism change to their teachings.

[@alexanderh2345]

Let me correct your lie. Constantine was THE influential figure at Nicea. He attended the debate every day and made a show of his entrance at the beginning so that all would know who’s in charge. Each side did their best to make back room deals with Constantine so that their side could win out. Not only that, but Athanasius’ side was hardly the norm of Christianity. It was simply one sect of Christian belief and not even the largest. Nicea did not have every Christian belief represented, only the two fallacious sides of Athanasius and Arius. Why do you lie about things that history bears out so clearly?

[@israelc3rvantes99]

Failed to mention the passover interesting !

[@christophersalinas2722]

Huh?

[@focus9375]

W

[@claytonbenignus4688]

"Of Same Substance" is misleading. It is not the recipe for making God. It is that The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit share all of the Properties of Godhood.

[@SanctusApologetics]

that was the language they used back then interestingly, we would use different terminology now i would say

[@Thedisciplemike]

Of the same substance means that lol

[@siervodedios5952]

Would you be willing to eventually cover the Black Hebrew Israelites/Hebrew Israelites?

[@SanctusApologetics]

Potentially , their theology is very disgusting

[@siervodedios5952]

@@SanctusApologetics Oh tell me about it. The extreme BHIs are really out there, especially with their bs Esau/Edom being white people doctrine. Genetics and history disproves it yet many believe it anyway. 🤦

[@ScottRock-mr6qk]

So I have a friend that's my wife's boss and he is a naturalized citizen from Israel. And I have bad news for you and that black Israelites theory. There weren't many, I asked. There's a pyramid in Egypt that has a muriel of the Hebrews being forced to work as the Egyptian guards with sticks were making them work. And the Egyptians are a darker color than the Hebrews. The only Hebrews that are known are those that are in Ethiopia! And they are converted Jews/Hebrews. True Israelites are olive colored skinned. Not black. And I am not a racist either so please don't think or say I am. I'm simply stating a fact. There weren't many black Hebrews in Jesus's day. I'm not saying there weren't any. Just not a lot.

[@siervodedios5952]

@@ScottRock-mr6qk What BHI's don't realize is the fact that king David had red hair and lighter colored eyes. His son, Solomon, had jet black wavy hair. There's only one group of people that are well known for having lighter eyes and red hair naturally. And it ain't Sub-Saharan Africans. It's Caucasoid type people.

[@FOLKTALES456]

​@ScottRock-mr6qk, do you have sources, I'm interested.

[@ΓραικοςΕλληνας]

Why all the ecumenical councils where in greek in the greek east not one in the latin west in latin?

[@SanctusApologetics]

because there was no mandate to speak latin at this time , churches every where spoke their own dialect

[@ΓραικοςΕλληνας]

@@SanctusApologetics why in the greek east in greek the language of the ecumenical councils .you actually did not answer we are talking about even the 7th at 787

[@SanctusApologetics]

@@ΓραικοςΕλληνας i would assume that koine greek was the common language , even among the west , i don’t know what your trying to point out though, or if your trying to make an arguement for orthodoxy?lol

[@j0m3m53]

Cool, so Jesus was made God by the peeps that united in that Council. Another reason why the Bible is the wolf in sheep clothing.

[@SanctusApologetics]

If you watched the video , they came to that conclusion because the bible teaches Jesus is God , not that they made it up

[@beslanintruder2077]

JWs remind me of modern day Arians.

[@SanctusApologetics]

yep lol

[@ScottRock-mr6qk]

And that's a close interpretation for them. And they are pretty close to the truth. Jesus is a created being because it says so not once in the Bible but twice. Colossians 1:15 and Revelation 3:14. People somehow like to twist those scriptures to fit their doctrine and it disgusts me that they do it. If the scripture says it, that's what it means. You know how I know?? Because God doesn't Lie like men do. And those are God's words or are inspired of God. Not men.

[@rethinkingjesus]

The council of Nicaea could be called the marriage of Church-State. This council Imho is the reason Christianity is so dysfunctional and has been since the Christianity spelled out in the creed was mandated for all Roman citizens to convert to (385 ad edict of Thessolonica). They became enemies debating doctrines that Jesus never spoke a word about. Was He born of the Father before all ages? How can we possible know unless they could have made a time machine and traveled back before all ages to see if Jesus was around back then. Why didn't the counsel discuss the simple non religious teachings of Jesus like if you want to fulfill all the Law and the prophets wrote simply love God and your neighbor as Yourselves.? Why didn't they brainstorm together saying Jesus said in the kingdom of Heaven the greatest will be servant to the weakest and plan how they could serve the people and how they could reach out and love their enemies like Jesus commanded? Instead they set up a priesthood that controlled the minds of the people through guilt, shame and fear allowing those at the top to live lives of obscene wealth and power. This is the polar opposite of what Jesus lived and taught his disciples. That is why Peter and John could say to the cripple man; "Silver and gold have we none but what we have we give to you (freely). In the name of Jesus get up and walk". The church Constantine formed his partnership with would say silver and gold we have in abundance but we don't have any power except political power to burn anyone at the stake if they don't believe the doctrines we tell them to and the beautiful name of Jesus has been distorted beyond recognition by church doctrine and dogma and horrific atrocities done in His name. When we stand before Jesus do you think He is going to quiz us on whether we believed doctrines based on stories of talking snakes or is He going to want to know did we love, did we forgive and if not why did you call me Lord, Lord and not do the simple things I commanded you to do? 🙏

[@christophersalinas2722]

Serious?

[@munawer121]

You forgot to mention that paul was the first to have made jesus devine and he was the among the first to build the churches which eventually lead to legalisation of Christianity and the trinity at the council of nicea. Early Christains differs tho. And so is the bible contradicts in itself too.

[@SanctusApologetics]

The whole new testament teaches Jesus is God.

[@munawer121]

@@SanctusApologetics it means you haven't read the whole bible yet. Half of the bible books (gospels) are written by paul and in some way associated to paul. Paul vision was that we are all sinner and the punishment of sin is death therefore jesus must have died for our sins. Jesus all his life emphasis people to follow the law of moses and to follow the 10 commandments of moses. However, it was paul who said no need to follow the law of old testament. It is enough to beleive in jesus and that he died for our sin and he rose from dead to get salvation. Therefore, just follow new testament. Go and read bible to see what jesus taught 3 years in his ministry? The gospel of john even took paul vision of jesus to extreme. Made him even more divine. Majority of those verses are jesus speaking to him in dream. And even there is a lot of interpolation and fabrication in gospel of john and it is among the least reliable gospel. Anyway, the time passed by after jesus death people who never seen jesus claim things on jesus name and made him more and more divine. Now ofcourse anything buttered up made the people happy. Imagine if i tell you jesus came to my dream and told me i am god you will say hallelujah but if i tell u he said i was a muslim you will say fuck off. People went so beyond in jesus love that they made him god instead. It was paul who made 20 first churches to preach his vision of jesus and it was those churches who end up making jesus a trion god at the council of nicea. If you go and read what jesus taught people within his lifetime you will be shocked. Its totally opposite to what paul says and what john says. The current bible even in its corrupt form still give the hints of what jesus taught to people. If you want i can quote you the verses of bible too. Seek the truth and truth shall set you free.

[@munawer121]

@@SanctusApologetics just 1 verse for an example: Matthew 21:10-11 When Jesus entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, “Who is this?” The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.”

[@SanctusApologetics]

@@munawer121 Jesus was a prophet , amen.

[@SGOV86]

​@@munawer121Jesus says in John 8:58 ; "before Abraham was I Am." Jesus says this in His prayer in John 17:5; "O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself with the glory which I had with You before the worl was."

[@prostytroll]

Ultimate hair splitting...

[@SanctusApologetics]

in what manner?

[@prostytroll]

@@SanctusApologetics In theological manner...

[@SanctusApologetics]

@@prostytroll what was hair splitting in the video ?

[@prostytroll]

@@SanctusApologetics My comment was about the arguments made during the Council of Nicaea. It is not always about you, or your video. Modesty my brother...

[@SanctusApologetics]

@@prostytroll ohhh , i see , much agreed 👍 lol

[@r.p.c.9077]

Sadly, the chanting distracts from the content.

[@SanctusApologetics]

i’ll try turning it down , and i’ll see if that helps

[@Thedisciplemike]

No it doesn't

[@darrellperez1029]

The chanting is fine.

[@larrylegend6248]

So St. Nick gave out pimpslaps?

[@joehewitt189]

They created Jesus!!!

[@readlesspraymore4686]

Yes the Triune theory became tRuTh by threat of force. The 1 True God is Jesus Christ's God. Rev 3:12.

[@JustKJ109]

Did they realy humm mindlessly like that like they dont want to leave the toilet room .

[@darrisellis8810]

God is an Exalted Man. Christ was Begotten of the Father or created so Areius was correct!

[@SanctusApologetics]

the flesh of Christ was begotten , not the divine essence , that’s eternal, just read john chapter 1

[@darrisellis8810]

@@SanctusApologetics You uninspired unauthorized leaders are blind! I've read John along with everything else. God is an Exalted Man who is married to an Exalted Woman. The two of them sired the Spirit body of Christ. It is not Good for Man to be alone and a Father cannot be a Father without a companion who is a Mother! Christ is the LITERAL human offspring of God. The creeds are the ramblings of uninspired reprobates who do not know anything about God or Eternity. Christ was born Spiritually to a Heavenly Mother and then born into mortality through Mary!

[@SanctusApologetics]

@@darrisellis8810 what is your basis for your claims ? scriptures, church fathers ?

[@darrisellis8810]

@@SanctusApologetics The Scriptures, The teachings of the Holy Prophets and common sense! How does God know its not good for man to be alone? Why did God organize the first family BEFORE Adam and Eve were cast out? Name one living species that doesn't pair off in two's to procreate? How can you be a Father if you do not have a woman to also be a Mother? ALL SONS have a Mother. Christ is the FIRSTBORN OF THE FATHER. God is not a bachelor but a parent and partner in an Eternal union with His Wife. It is the order of Heaven. The version you have recorded in the gosple of John is incorrect. It's proper reading is as follows 1 In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made which was made. 4 In him was the gospel, and the gospel was the life, and the life was the light of men; 5 And the light shineth in the world, and the world perceiveth it not.

[@SanctusApologetics]

@@darrisellis8810 Ok , so what verse shows and tell us plainly that there is a “mother” like God , the problem i have with your arguement is that god does not get lonely like us , he is all powerful, so he has no need for women or lust and such , so that verse your using only applies to people , not God himself

[@hornplayer1228]

Arius had gotten the relationship between God and His Son perfectly correct. Modern teaching by God's Ministering Spirits reveals that Arius was right all along and the corrupt church under the influence of Satan got it all horribly wrong. When a church enters into communication with one of God's angels or Ministering Spirits one of the first questions asked is the relationship between God and Christ. The Ministering Spirit will only tell the truth even if it is unpalatable to the listener - and therein lies the answer as to why the Church today does not avail itself of the Spirits of Truth promised by Christ.

[@christophersalinas2722]

Arius was a heretic.