The Coyotes New Arena Deal Is An Absolute Mess | SDP

[@gabetalks9275]

The fact that the Arizona Coyotes have survived far longer than the Quebec Nordiques, Hartford Whalers, and Atlanta Thrashers is an embarrassment to hockey.

[@aso2954]

They need to move the rink

[@September2004]

I think it would be slightly more accurate to say that the fact that the NHL spent all this time and resources just to have the Coyotes survive this long and still fail is an embarrassment to hockey. Surviving in a dessert by itself could be a good thing... if they weren't on life support so many times.

[@MySundin13]

Massive Embarrassment. They NEVER should have stuck a team there.

[@September2004]

@Junior71392 You're right. And if this was a Canadian market that was failing, they would move that franchise out of there in a hurry.

[@NIGHTBREED3R]

Not hard when Bettman wont let the team fold. I guess the desert NEEDS hockey alot more than most of us think. 😂😂

[@TacZippy]

Seeing ARI play my team at ASU's stadium would be fun in a sort-of novelty experience, but $400 per ticket is absurd.

[@NIGHTBREED3R]

400 a ticket ?? Is the land the stadium is built on owned by Canada or something ?? 🤣🤣

[@StonedSpagooter]

Gambling ads blow and so do you guys for having so many of them Bring back the Panago days

[@remi-D]

Sadly pizza ain’t as lucrative/addicting anymore😭

[@malman0789]

Panago isn't paying the bills and sponsorship deals work both ways - I'm pretty sure they've said they would love to have them back as a sponsor.

[@mafmaf6417]

You cannot even watch a Hockey night in Canada game without seeing these adds.

[@LegalAmerican4]

I was just thinking that when I read your comment. I'm so tired of constant sports betting ads while listening to these podcasts. That's an instant unsub for me.

[@hankarmas]

Just a heads up, the Coyotes did make a deal w/ ASU so they WILL have their logo be on center ice.... Along with ASU's as well.

[@Emily-ms1nj]

Yeah it was def misreported. Apparently they were always allowed to have their logo, they just didn’t want to also have the ASU logo.

[@hankarmas]

@@Emily-ms1nj Well they didn't really have a choice. They had to have their logo on center ice, but they're playing on ASU's rink, and they're renting the spot for now.

[@DuyNguyen-yx2vd]

@@Emily-ms1nj The "rule" that was reported was about adspace, anyway. They were always going to have shared logo space, but ASU maintains that Coyotes can't modify the ice for stuff like sponsors without ASU's approval.

[@sz7313]

@@Emily-ms1nj Not quite. They can't alter anything ASU puts on the ice. And as far as ad space goes, the Coyotes are contracted with the same company as ASU to handle in-arena advertising and partnerships. It was a smart business move on their part because it avoids any potential conflicts.

[@LudwigBeefoven]

The Vidéotron Centre in Québec City has 18,259 seats available for hockey games.

[@gcnd9031]

I watch Canadian media to ESCAPE my problems, how DARE you mention Karlsson's contract

[@renegademan83]

At least the Coyotes won more rounds in the the past 18 years than the Leafs.

[@Dylandontplay]

Ahahah I'm a leafs fan and your right lol damn

[@bobmarley7787]

So what? At least the leafs don't need to use a college facility because hardly anyone watches them 💀

[@justgrady4281]

Doesn’t matter when your franchise won’t exist ☠️ bum franchise

[@renegademan83]

@@bobmarley7787 So what if they do use the College facility?Its only temporary until they move in Tempe. While you guys can't keep crying.

[@bobmarley7787]

@@renegademan83 lmao it means the organization is so poor they can't even afford their own possibility and they are so poor because almost no one watches them making the entire franchise on the brink of ceasing to exist Lmao yes we can we beat Tampa short of being robbed by the refs Try harder 💀

[@JordonHynes]

Stop the gambling ads it's gross

[@day1avsfan907]

They gotta keep the lights on somehow

[@hibiki8473]

Boo hoo a legal thing from a legal company that there legally doing a ad read on grow up and be responsible for your own actions. They advertised alcohol alcohol ruins lives just as much but no one cares about that

[@people3865]

@@hibiki8473 Have to agree. I more find it annoying because the ads are piling up, not the content of the ads.

[@hibiki8473]

@@people3865 yeah they need to find a better way to place them or make them not as long

[@ronryan7398]

There’s a brand new building in Quebec City with billionaires that want the team. Nope, let’s continue to fail in Arizona

[@ianism3]

it's because Bettman thinks he's playing "the long game" by gradually building up interest in the US south to the point where people actually care enough to fill the arenas regularly so the franchises make money. the problem is that even when they are doing well they struggle to break even. San Jose followed this pattern for two decades, barely making any money even when they did turn a profit. this has been the case for over 20 years for most of these franchises. Bettman needs to admit his mistake in keeping this team in AZ for so long or step down. move them to QC. they have a great fanbase and a fully-functional 18000-seat stadium.

[@jhathaway8026]

The only successful, profitable southern US hockey team is the Lightning. They just happen to have a great owner that does what it takes to win on the ice and in the local community.

[@matthewschincariol4619]

As much as Quebec is my number one choice for a returning franchise, I think the most logical and arguably successful option would be to return the NHL to Kansas City

[@chriswhitebird1021]

Imagine Arizona making it to the Stanley cup in that arena 😣

[@Doooooooooooood]

How has the NHL allowed this to happen....

[@pomerlain8924]

Bettman and the owners don't want to admit that their Arizona experiment has failed. No other league would continue beating a dead horse and carry a franchise that has never made money and never drawn consistent fan support for this long. We're not talking 5-10 years. We're talking over 25 years, a quarter of a century. The NBA, NFL and MLB would have pulled the plug over a decade ago. There are plenty of markets that could have already made over ten-fold what the Coyotes have had they been moved.

[@September2004]

@@pomerlain8924 I also think it comes down to owners. Owners seem to think that if they admit they’re wrong, that their reputation for being these visionaries will hurt. They don’t get that fans already don’t think that highly of them and they’re only making it worse. Admitting they’re wrong early and making corrections is what will impress fans.

[@ElmerFudd16]

@@September2004 Letting the Yotes relocate between 2009-2012 would've created a lot of goodwill with the league's fans.

[@September2004]

The NHL is more bothered by then Coyote John Scott appearing in one measly All-Star game than all the problems with that franchise.

[@justgrady4281]

This franchise being allowed to exist is just the pinnacle of Gary’s denial

[@terryslota2224]

Spineless bettman

[@flynnmccoy5013]

I could listen to this disaster deal for an entire hour Love the updates

[@awesomematthews1238]

You could have a Hamilton, Mississauga, Markham and an Oshawa team and all four would be more profitable than half of the American markets.

[@arcticmonkey3]

Not Oshawa. No money there

[@carter7944]

Not true at all americans make more money period

[@mafmaf6417]

If AZ was a Canadian team, they would have folded long ago. Absolutely ridiculous to have a team there, or KC, or Huston.

[@neilallen507]

Houston is set to overtake Chicago as the third largest city in the USA in the next decade or so. No way the NHL won’t want to tap into that market

[@mafmaf6417]

@@neilallen507 it's not a hockey city.

[@neilallen507]

Apparently neither are Hartford or Quebec. Players don’t want to play in Canada anymore. And it’s been made quite apparent the league has no intention of expanding into Canada

[@anikinkhan]

Houston.. Why not?

[@mafmaf6417]

@@neilallen507 Quebec leaving was purely political. It had nothing to do with the lack of interest from the fans. There have been more US based team failures than Canadian. A NHL star in Canada is just that, a star. Other than Toronto, the NHL is the professional sport in Canadian cities. Sorry CFL, but it is true. A millionaire in Canada is still a millionaire. If players do not want to play in Canada, that is because of the current anti Canadian culture in the NHL

[@AndrewSmyk]

You should look at the analysis of how Arizona gets to the salary floor by trading for retired player contracts.

[@evanwatson6634]

The Arizona Coyotes are the NHL version of the San Diego Chargers moving to LA to play in Carson, embarrassing and shameful. Bettman should, but never will, own up to the failure of this franchise in Arizona. How this team hasn't been moved back to Canada, where it will be profitable, is beyond me.

[@danblackmore6099]

Close with the analogy except the Chargers had made a deal to be a tenant in the new stadium for the Rams. If we knew for certain that they would be allowed to build in Tempe, this would be understandable, but right now, there is no definite future.

[@remi-D]

I love you guys and pretty much all the content you put out. But if I have to see David Bastile’s face one more time I’m going to lose my mind

[@tubingforever]

Just sell the team to Quebec. Would love to see the Nordiques rise again!

[@relaxandsleep978]

never going to happen... you have 25 US owners who take at hit at the gate and concessions when teams like Winnipeg, Ottawa and Vancouver come to town, and you think they can be convinced to vote for Quebec City over Kansas City or Houston? People like to blame Betteman but he has nothing to do with it, his job is to do what the owners want him to do.

[@deltagolavista1]

The team won't move East unless the league expands (or contracts).

[@DEVILSHOLIC]

@@glaframb and kansas city

[@Pman7519]

This has been determined to be a lie. They can have their logo. Asu controls the ads. But why would I expect anything else with a podcast that pushes gambling every episode?

[@DuyNguyen-yx2vd]

And it was reported as a lie like 10 minutes after the original report, but these guys couldn't be bothered to read past the first headline. They had the whole weekend to NOT post this video.

[@kyokyo718]

so many things wrong with this comment that could have started with not watching this clip of a podcast you either already listen to, or hate listen to. Cool they can have their logo on the ice, how about the dozen other things that make this situation a clown show, the dozen things off the ice that made last year a clown show, or the dozen things on the ice that made their season a clown show. The white knighting for the Yotes is small but good lord is it filled to the brim with copium. There's only a few things good about this entire situation and they're all players that may or may not be sold by next year's deadline.

[@shaynekempton3368]

Well, you can't blame them. Would you expect anything else from a franchise that's been a clown show of a failure for thirty years and made defaulting on their bills an Olympic sport?

[@Pman7519]

@@kyokyo718 Bro, I am just stating that the title for the podcast is wrong and clickbait. I didn't expect some bozo to go on a rant, lmao. I'm not even a yotes fan. Quit being pressed 🤡

[@CoolsBreeze]

I will say that I'm extremely disappointed with the SDPN with them pushing gambling. And with how much press and access SDPN gives them it's not hard to believe that they will be biased or go with stories that don't affect their sponsors. I was expecting differently with a podcast.

[@tylercasson6057]

This....... This is going to be absolutely hilarious.

[@relaxandsleep978]

BTW - Quebec City is not going to happen. You have 25 US owners who take at hit at the gate and concessions when teams like Winnipeg, Ottawa & Vancouver come to town & if you think they can be convinced to vote for Quebec City over Kansas City or Houston, you're dreaming. They learned their lesson with the Atlanta Thrashers. If they could go back, you'd see a similar situation in Atlanta until an owner showed up in a US market & not move them to Winnipeg. People like to blame Betteman but he has nothing to do with it, his job is to do what the owners want him to do.

[@mafmaf6417]

That's the fans fault for not coming to those games.

[@relaxandsleep978]

@@mafmaf6417 that's the point... if the fans won't come to those games, the owners don't make as much money. You can't sell Quebec City to an American fan base like you can sell a more relatable city for them, like Houston.

[@pomerlain8924]

All owners take a hit having to subsidize a money pit franchise that has never once finished in the black in over 25 years. And that includes all 7 Canadian teams, who make up a third of the league's revenue. There is no way in hell a Canadian team would be hemorrhaging as much money as the Coyotes have for the past decade. Winnipeg, in one year, made more money than Atlanta did in a decade.

[@relaxandsleep978]

@@pomerlain8924 splitting to subsidize 1 franchise over 31 other teams, especially with all the recent expansion money is nothing compared to their long-term revenue goals that a franchise in Quebec City just wouldn't produce. Yes, Winnipeg made more money than Atlanta... and there are probably a dozen US markets that current don't have an NHL team that would make more than Winnipeg ever could. TV contracts also have to be taken into consideration. Same principle... NBC, FOX et all will pay more for a league with more American teams, period. More people in the states will watch 2 American teams, even the coyotes, than a team from a small Canadian city where most of them can't locate on a map.

[@mikefrontera4349]

You cannot compare American fans to Canadian. No matter who plays a Canadian team in Canada, the fans will come out to see them. The fact of the matter is in the US, hockey is not the predominant sport, where as here in Canada it is.

[@Jrodsly]

What I find crazy is people in these comments spending so much time defending the trainwreck that is the Coyotes and throwing personal shots in while they do it. I hope they know that the Yotes will never give them free tickets or know they exist when they do that. I don't think they know that.

[@ElmerFudd16]

For real, over 95% of people I see defending the Coyotes here, Twitter, Instagram, etc. fling insults at people who are rightfully trashing the team. "Oh, you don't know what's REALLY going on in Arizona! You're an idiot if you're think they're in trouble!" No wonder others don't take them seriously.

[@Jrodsly]

@@ElmerFudd16 Exactly. It reeks of shill behavior at this point. Even the respected journalists covering this story are getting pot shots thrown at them by fans and it pisses me off. It's not their fault the Coyotes can't pay their rent and are forced to play in a 3500 seater arena IF the Tempe proposal actually goes through.

[@guntotengranny_]

I don’t know about anyone else but I’m headed to AZ to watch my MN Wild in February next year. This will be fun, I think.

[@neilallen507]

Better weather

[@SM-xx9fq]

I might go regardless of who's visiting just to witness the spectacle in person.

[@arcticmonkey3]

Schedule isn’t out yet. Are you from the future?

[@guntotengranny_]

@@arcticmonkey3 maybe wishful thinking! Wild or Bruins…Feb is when we have the shittiest weather where I am. 🌨❄️⛈🌬

[@Emily-ms1nj]

This team is a joke, BUT this story was misreported. They can have their logo on the ice, they just also have to have the ASU logo.

[@arcticmonkey3]

Not true. At the start it was no logo. Cmon Em

[@ryanjefferies2788]

I almost thought this was going to be about hockey, but less than a minute in, Jesse is winning money on sports interaction about something completely different than the video clip... This is getting pathetic at this point boys.

[@P00katube]

Just cancel the ASU and move the Coyotes to Quebec City already.

[@carter7944]

Quebec city isnt an option theres no building fit for it

[@carter7944]

Stop the delousional idiocy of thinking quebec is a optiom

[@P00katube]

@@carter7944 Yes, Quebec City is an option! That city's 19,000 seat arena has been open for at least 5 years and has hosted many hockey games, some filled to Standing Room Only Capacity.

[@carter7944]

​@@P00katubeno its not american bettman only cares about franchise money and not fan money

[@carter7944]

​@@P00katubeonly american cites are options

[@tkirchmann]

In restrospect this is definitely better than letting Balsillie move the Coyotes to Hamilton.

[@PieEater900]

They don't put the NHL Playoffs wordmark on the ice of any arena anymore lmao

[@liamroarke7991]

ASU may as well tell the players each of them needs to kick back a percentage of their salaries, too.

[@XaviRonaldo0]

Just move the team to Houston already

[@terryslota2224]

as far as this new complex the cuban wants to build, skyharbor airport and the city of phx. is 100% against it...BUT...i'm sure that the cuban has already told the politicians in tempe, he will take care $$$$$$ of them,,,,

[@christophermerlot3366]

For $400 per ticket my friend and I could buy the Coyotes. In all seriousness the Coyotes are Bettmann's pet project and they aren't going anywhere until he retires.

[@unoriginalandrew]

As a small business construction worker, the material shortage is really not doing us any favors.

[@wings31]

Lost opportunity to use McDowell's instead of McDonalds...

[@alaynaj7049]

if there are unnecessary “u”s and “centre” i automatically tune out your opinion

[@Dogcitydisco]

I’m moving to Tempe so I’m kinda stoked

[@Nikhilinho]

Just move.

[@alexracco5975]

Arizona Coyotes is the NHL's Atlanta Trashers

[@lildurpy]

*The Hamilton Coyotes*

[@waynejones5635]

I am sure thd people in Hamilton can come up with a better name than Coyotes.

[@sumotong1475]

They should just move them to a city in Canada.

[@michaelhiltz7846]

"You can't move the team to Quebec because its a smaller market than Arizona." Is it though?

[@stuffnsuch631]

Good grief . Just fold the team and hold a draft for their assets. It's embarassing, teams should just forfeit the games they have against the team. That way coyotes get 82 wins, best season the league ever saw, in the playoffs and put the embarassment on full display

[@Loyster14]

Don't have a aren no problem you can have an NHL team . Tampa did it . Coyotes have moved a 3rd time now . But won't put a team in Quebec !

[@pomerlain8924]

Tampa had a new hockey-specific building being built though. Phoenix only had the America West Arena, which was never designed with hockey in mind.

[@sz7313]

I highly recommend you all listen to today's PHNX Coyotes podcast, where the crew mocks all the crap people have said about the Coyotes, including all the inaccurate and lazy reporting in The Athletic.

[@WinterWoolies]

Until the playoffs the Ted Lindsey was maybe a question mark. Not anymore. Lol

[@ianwilson9571]

The PHNX Coyotes podcast lied throughout their "debunking" of stories about the Coyotes. Had Glendale city council not intervened, the Coyotes would have moved to Winnipeg in 2011 or Seattle in 2013. For Leah, Steve, and Craig to say the Coyotes would never have relocated is laughable. I'll take Katie Strang's sources over Craig Morgan's every time. Also, Craig Morgan saying that fans will pay $400 to see Crosby, Ovie, Matthews, and McDavid is insane. They won't even pay the cheapest ticket prices in the league to see them in Glendale.

[@Jrodsly]

And even worse, people are coming after Katie Strang for her reports because she isn't kissing the ass of the team when she reports on them. I genuinely wonder if they think defending this failed team will get them free tickets. They have to be dumb enough to think that.

[@TheCrazyCanuck420]

400 a ticket to watch that team?

[@Christoph5782]

It’s more like $400 a ticket to watch your team play the Yotes as the building is pretty much always filled with away fans

[@TheCrazyCanuck420]

@@Christoph5782 As a transplant myself that makes sense.

[@stephenlevine3116]

I'm not gonna lie If they lower the price I'll go for a game just to experience it especially if my team is in town

[@sz7313]

Tickets in the ASU student section are being held back for student rush and game-day sales at a much more typical rate.

[@ianmudd1383]

If there’s a fan base that has no right to complain about Arizona, it’s the Leafs. Imagine having to deal with Laine instead, while AM34 is playing baseball.

[@notwoke7005]

What was wrong with the other building? It was new and in downtown phoenix

[@blegi1245]

Coyotes not paying their rent and taxes in time.

[@pomerlain8924]

Glendale's tax payers were done footing the bill for the team just to stay in Glendale. And the Coyotes, a professional organization, mind you, was late paying their rent and taxes.

[@sz7313]

@@pomerlain8924 As a Glendale tax payer, let me just let you know that you know nothing about local politics.

[@MikeysLab]

Move Arz to Hamilton Ontario. Problem solved.

[@kerrygaleotafiore7883]

ownerships been wingin' it since the start .

[@Loyster14]

Blame is totally on Bettman. 5000 seat arena can't put the teams logo on the ice or boards ..

[@shaynekempton3368]

Turns out they can have their own logo, but they may wind up having fewer than 5000 seats after necessary renovations (which may to be completed n time for the next season).

[@joeysoprano1335]

Just move em to Milwaukee!!

[@KevinJL]

Arizona has won a playoff series more recently than the Leafs

[@carter7944]

2012 the only time youve made a run leafs do suck but your still more of a embarrassment historically

[@LoyalSif]

Can you please bring on someone who actually knows about the Coyotes instead of putting in your ill-informed opinions. It's just sad that you choose to be wrong and have no intentions of becoming informed.

[@moodlampActual]

Quebec city

[@September2004]

I wonder if Connor Bedard will be drafted by them.

[@ianwilson9571]

I hope not. He deserves better.

[@kraken2264]

Stahp the gambling ads

[@Loyster14]

Bettmans Team his baby

[@calmorale7724]

I can guarantee that the Leafs will suck when they play there lol

[@coleton2144]

A lot of this info is false guys, come on down to Tempe and see it for yourself, people don’t understand the situation unless you live here and follow the situation closely

[@chrisdavis273]

What a joke

[@jtnauss]

How are strippers Immoral Adam. Those men or woman gotta make money too.

[@tommytrump2123]

Good lord, it's painful listening to dangle.

[@xtrickster6556]

I feel sorry for them

[@moodlampActual]

Who?

[@xtrickster6556]

@@moodlampActual Arizona they should have a nice arena

[@moodlampActual]

@@xtrickster6556 gonna have to be more specific here. I need to know if you're right or I need to unload on you for a horrible opinion.

[@xtrickster6556]

@@moodlampActual lol

[@GuruFromEHRPG]

Lets be better guys This was reported to be false before you guys recorded the podcast and ESECPIALLY before you put this damn clip up I get it the Coyotes are a punching bag but this is just sad. Plus the good behavior agreement was confirmed to be an agreement ASU does with anyone they work with O_O Again, before you even recorded this X_X

[@luc00144]

I hope the Arizona experiment succeeds. Quebec city is deserving of a team but not at the cost of other teams failing

[@shaynekempton3368]

It won't.

[@isidro9911]

When Matthews goes there in a couple of years Arizona will build him a stadium!!! Book it!!!

[@tkirchmann]

Wait wait wait. So the Coyotes are going to get a bunch of money from the other hard working profitable teams and the worse job they do the more money they get? They should rename the team the Arizona Democrats.

[@nickross656]

There’s always that one person that has to make everything political

[@tkirchmann]

@@nickross656 There's always that one person who can't take a joke 🤣

[@Christoph5782]

@@tkirchmann I mean jokes are funny, you can’t really say something in bad faith and expect it to be funny

[@tkirchmann]

@@Christoph5782 Seems like there are people who found it funny. Just because you didn't find it funny doesn't mean noone does. Also there is an entire genre of comedy that is about making jokes in bad faith like Stephen Colbert or The Rubin Report.

[@Christoph5782]

@@tkirchmann Your comment is at the very bottom of the top comment list, that speaks for itself

[@NOTRYANANYMORE8991]

is adam ok he has gained alot of weight fast ??