The (CPSC) Epidemiology Elephant In The Room

[@zenmagnets]

Let the CPSC's intellectual dishonesty not go unnoticed.

[@OysterWallace]

... What could be their motive? Why unfairly target/fabricate statistics against you? Any answer will not be debated, just used for clarity of understanding.

[@NikoKun]

Kali Doom It litterally seems to be either out of spite.. or some twisted moral superiority, where they've convinced themselves it's dangerous, and they'll never change their mind..

[@jamest3002]

Kali Doom The government, like any large entity that draws from the public, is a spectrum of the population. The very best, worst, and all the averages in between. The ruling could be similar to an annual budget review where they have to show activity. The flawed statistics could be the work of a someone who has no formal knowledge of study methods. All of it could be arbitrary politics. We have no real way of knowing why except that this is a staple of bureaucracy.

[@_mr3_]

Great work, keep up the good fight. At this point with the amount of history that's occurred the situation is obvious--this isn't about product safety. The majority of action by the CPSC here is dishonest, mis-representative politics driven by fear. When an aspect of government fears for its well-being (in this case legal action from sparse cases), it stops serving people and starts defending itself. In comparison even to the reach of current law this new law is an obvious contradictory outlier, but it doesn't tend to matter in situations like this. Duty to people doesn't tend to matter either. To a government body fearing risk to itself, the only thing that matters is its own well-being. All of the concerns they only voice about your freedom to sell responsibly and our freedom to buy responsibly does nothing in the end except highlight how they value the well-being of their organization above their duty to us and to our freedom. We've given CPSC the power to represent, and they will represent what they want unless we bring our collective voice to oppose and right it.

[@TherealRTZ973]

"Intellectual" Good one

[@UberDanger]

The fucking FMA clip at the end :D

[@amaganaz]

lol Uber wat are you doing here haha

[@TaterGumfries]

That ban is crazy. They're magnets. Don't let your kids eat them.

[@Icejosh1883]

If only parents were still expected to parent their kids...

[@BettyCogburn]

My grandson brought some of these home a few days ago. Do I need to remove them from my home? Am I in danger of being arrested by the police? I told him not to bring any illegal substances into my home after he got caught smoking the devil's lettuce at school.

[@MichaelJohnsenOslo]

You'd be well advised to flush them down your toilet asap, or let a friend hold them while the swat teams search your neighborhood.

[@BettyCogburn]

Michael Johnsen Thank you for your advice, Michael. I will do so immediately.

[@spacelazer]

Michael Johnsen As a waste water operator; please do not flush these things. They can damage your City's collection system.

[@MichaelJohnsenOslo]

Bushido Beef Don't tell me, tell Betty! For the love of God, hurry! She might create Magnetos all over the city.

[@Khachik2003]

This is just a ploy from the feminists to uphold the matriarchy. As a moderator, reddit gold user, and gentlesir of reddit, I dare ye to take a stand and fight against oppression. -Sir Brian Bard, upholder of law and order, reddit gold user, and moderator of /r/cats

[@jonamahee]

I suffer from depression and anxiety and have discovered that the tactile and creative nature of the product helps to center my thoughts, easing my anxiety. In the ENTIRE time I've had the magnets I have not lost a single one. Nor have I swallowed one. Nor do I intend to. By CPSC logic, anything labelled as a potential hazard IF MISUSED should be banned. My best wishes go out to Zen Magnets and I hope that logic and common sense wins. How else can I buy a Mandala set otherwise?! :)

[@amag140696]

This is so ridiculous, how big do the warning labels have to be?!?! Oh, if we engraved a warning on each individual magnet the CPSC would HAVE to change their minds right?!?!

[@trilbymctip8317]

Redditor here! Well if they would stop making them look like candies, then maybe we would stop eating them! I agree with this ruling as I have already been to the hospital 4 times to have these removed from my intestines. Thank god (figuratively speaking, as I am an atheist obviously) that I collect social benefits to cover the high medical bills from these surgeries. - Trilby McTip, Redditor, Brony, Atheist

[@Patchuchan]

You should try the magnets in hard drives I heard they're delicious.

[@Bazuzeus]

another reedit moron... Are you such a vapid person you think saying "I'm a redditor" will grant you any interest from anybody ?

[@alexis2kool]

I highly doubt you'll stop eating anything you fat fuck.

[@stinkleaf]

Or you can stop buying them and keep eating real candy since its far less expensive. Then you can enjoy your diabetes.

[@wofwolfgang13]

Bazuzeus dude he's joking look at his account

[@tylertressler6873]

Watch and be appalled, comrades

[@vaughnmcgill-adami7760]

Um... why not just NOT let your kid play with a small bead... Said the person with common sense...

[@NoNameC68]

I'd be having a nerdgasm over the FMA reference if I wasn't so preoccupied with worrying about this potential ban.

[@Bwayzoe1]

This is why we can't have nice things. Thanks, Big Brother.

[@torikenyon]

I really hope that 5mm Zen Magnets will come back

[@Spectrumsci]

Well done. This is a much better approach to the problem than the ranting hysterics of the, um, other magnetic sphere company. Hopefully someone actually is listening.

[@SnazzyZubloids]

I have to say, I really appreciate the big middle finger to the CPSC via Compliance Magnets. It really gave me a good chuckle. Such obey. Very conform. WOW.

[@64946chris]

Full metal alchemist really ties in the points.

[@shaunni7812]

Really interesting, I had no idea about any of this. What a ridiculous thing to ban!

[@michaelpolakowski7301]

Involve any of the U.S. House delegates from Colorado who claim to be pro-small business (they typically have an "R" after their name). Tell them the CPSC is willfully destroying a minority-owned small business in Colorado for no discernible reason other than to exercise their unchecked power. If that doesn't work, look into suing the CPSC. It's expensive and complicated, but it can be (and should be) done. If you're successful and awarded a monetary judgement in excess of $50 million, offer to deduct $1 million for every Zen magnet eaten by the CPSC Commissioner.

[@SonicXRage]

Rare earth magnets? What about smoking? I don't think smoking should be banned, but the fatalities it causes are far, far worse. If you want to protect us from something, protect us from things that make a significant difference in the lives lost yearly.

[@JayzenFreeze]

keep fighting the good fight. I subscribed to the continued fight to keep zen magnets alive. If they manage to ban magnets,MAGNETS, whats next more children get into household chemicals, will they stop people from being able to clean there houses next? What is Americas problem.

[@RuffDiamondSound]

Is the ban limited to a size parameter? Can 3" diameter magnetic balls or bigger slip through the ban?

[@DaleOfHope]

Soooo.... What's their motive??? If you think there's another reason they're banning these besides for safety reasons, what is that other reason...

[@Inconquerable]

Seems to me like it could be spite --- the most prominent company making these, Buckyballs, had a long and drawn out fight with the CPSC during which their founder gave approximately zero ***** about. What better way of getting the last laugh than an outright ban?

[@ProducerTerry]

So cpsc can look like their actually doing something.

[@stinkleaf]

Their motive is to save their jobs and justify their existence. They can't ban products owned by multinational corporations who have endless resources to fight back and have the media in their pocket. When it comes to safety this is the parent's fault. They should be held accountable. That's why we have warning labels. If a child swallows Draino are you going to ban it?

[@citizencr4o]

The CPSC cannot target the more established and more dangerous toys, so they go after toys that could be dangerous in theory before they become big. It's sad, really.

[@thematstop]

I don't know what else to do but thumbs up this video, spread the word!

[@JonathanMurray]

Nice to know BuckyBalls is sharing their mailing list with you...(how else would I have received your email?) I have a number of sets that I simply consider collector's items now. Keep up the good fight, let us know how we can help!

[@wulfone5961]

Why not ban everything kids get injured with. No more scooters, bikes, balls, pogo stick, skates and so on. I remember back in the 90's when roller blades became popular and it was all over the news about how kids were getting hurt using them but no one tried to ban them. Then I remember how when the razor scooters first came on the market and all the kids being injured using them. No ban happened. This is just insane. I feel sorry for the people who were injured but the ban is totally unnecessary and wouldn't even be necessary now. The whole magnets thing has kind of ran its course hasn't it? I mean I don't see anyone talking about magnet spheres anymore. I just bought some Nanodot Megas and I will try to get some Zen Magnets before the ban. I wanted Nanodots but I can't buy them.

[@Zandeves]

i was playing with my zen magnets while watching this.

[@uuooctium1182]

They still try to ban it. I wish this company Godspeed on this fight. I recommend zen magnets to basically all of my friends and they are fascinated by them.

[@n0isyturtle]

And yet the question remains: How do they work?

[@jeffsmith210]

I read the list you scrolled through at the end, and it does appear that most were magnetic balls?

[@joshk4478]

Yes, I think that's the point. In that three-year period, only 72 cases were actual magnetic ball injuries (the ones listed). Not 1700, as reported by the CPSC.

[@jeffsmith210]

Randy Marsh I don't think so. They looked at a sample of hospitals and extrapolated the findings to the rest of the country, which is an acceptable form of statistics. The case they made in the video was that they included bad Positive results for things like "marbles" or "ball" and such. There may have been a few of those that were false positives, but it looked like most were actual magnet injuries?

[@zenmagnets]

Randy Marsh Actually, the projection to 1700 from 72, isn't necessarily faulty. But the 72 they picks is faulty. Most are magnetic balls, but magnetic balls have been around for long time. It's hard to say how many of the 72 *Are* actually from high powered magnets, but performing the same analysis on the 3 years prior shows that the analysis method is garbage.

[@joshk4478]

Jeff Smith Gotcha. My apologies, I misinterpreted what was going on.

[@MegaDman42]

Randy Marsh Further, in looking through them it appears as if the likelihood of actually serious injury is extremely low. In that list there was one possible serious injury, but the vast majority of them were things like "mother thinks kid swallowed one or more magnets" and no actual injury. One case was a 2 month old that swallowed several of them and had no injuries, the magnets passed safely within a day or two.

[@AeiouCommander]

"April 1st" G-good prank guys, we totally got 'em.

[@laszlozoltannagy2393]

Lol, Roy Musty :D Why is this video unlisted?

[@_mr3_]

Grats. I can almost taste the refund of court costs, even if it's from our own pockets.

[@anastasiyasacha]

People who like and use magnets, why don't we protest sign petitions or do something against abandoning the magnets, no we just talk about it and do nothing. We really need to help zen magnets because they gave us magnets they inspired us ( the users of the zen magnets) and we just don't do a thing.

[@AmbitionKills209]

Damn, guess I should buy some before the ban starts.

[@LysolPionex]

The CPSC has already put their competitor, BuckyBalls, out of business. We cannot let this idiocy spread.

[@RemyBop]

I'm still trying figure out who he's talking to.

[@pTea6]

Wait wait wait wait wait wait... what's that figure at 4:10? That's the coolest thing ever... How do you make that?

[@MegaDman42]

It appears to be some planetary gears. There are a lot of different designs, and this person seems to have made them out of magnets is all. Still really cool, and there are videos on here about making gears by using magnets instead of interlocking teeth.

[@Sheecacaa3]

That particular shape was made by Mathnetism. kzbin.infovideos There's still a whole community of people who make creative shapes and post them. Check out zenmagnets.com and also gallery.zenmagnets.com for cool stuff, and opportunities to get free magnets.

[@colonelcat8639]

Darn it- all I want are these hi-quality magnets- and not the tiny "weak" ones. I am clearly old enough to to use them- there are warnings for them not to be for kids under 14- and even kids over 12 shouldn't be stupid enough to eat them. Magnets are not food!

[@hcazmail]

When it comes to understanding magnets, looks like the CPSC is about on the level of ICP.

[@gorlack2231]

I like the clip from Full Metal Alchemist.

[@yvettetee7699]

Sorry about that

[@BG213121]

God this is the world in which we live.

[@spencergc]

is there any way they can be stopped

[@lolshark33]

They couldn't have taken a worse date for the ban to go live. April Fool's Day? Really?!

[@charlesdawkins8576]

It is not only dangerous for children. Even tho it says "not for children" you could easily imagine that it would be safe to eat, since they look like candy. But it will just make you end up in the hospital again and again. The body does not get used to it. I speak from exp... eh... I know a friend who... -Charles Dawkins, knows a friend

[@Barnalicus]

Why not ban all cars too? After all, they are the highest cause of accidental death in the US by a factor of 5

[@snowballeffect7812]

Lol. Love the FMA references.

[@DrBenWilkerson]

best point "at no age can anybody in america" use magnet spheres and that the rates of injury decreased with the products introduction.

[@ShadowTitan100]

Good to know our government money is going towards things like this instead of education. I mean what would happen if people were smart enough not so swallow random non-food items???

[@MegaDman42]

The CPSC is NOT a government authority. They have a lot of pull with those that are, which is how they get things like this passed, but they are a private organization.

[@burlapsack7759]

So I guess the next logical question is.. why? Why would they bother banning these? Seems like a complete waste of time and resources.

[@SwagOnRoids]

al pacinos speech from any given sunday shoulda played at the end of this vid

[@Judgeharm]

Was listening to this whilst alt-tabbed then I was like.. WTF THAT SOUNDS LIKE MUSTANG!? (More importantly), That tonally sucks I remember using these as a modeling tool and as an awesome way to kill some time in yr 1 of uni. This is a real shame and the data misrepresentation is appalling.

[@Floofie]

Wait, did they get banned?

[@johntauxe]

Ironically, if you look on ebay for these, you will find numerous examples for sale "from China" under the name of NeoCube, with the specific words "gift for children" and "gift for kids".

[@thelivingzambie3200]

So they are getting banned?!

[@awesomefilmsomega5559]

its sad that there banning zen magnets

[@RupertBundem]

zen magnets ar going baned?

[@Mungify]

So sad :-( This really is unfair

[@Coeford]

That sucked I'm glad you beat it

[@shufflingfate4703]

This ban is such BS!

[@LukeDie]

>Be 5 >Be american >Decide to eat a bunch of magnetic spheres because why not. >dad riled by the football game >Stands up and knocks over tv tray >fires his pistol into the ceiling in a sportsrage >those bullets arc over to my and get caught in my gravitational pull >run outside to escape the swirling death tornado that surrounds me >neighbors dog runs past me and is shredded to pieces >the bullets pick up speed and start pulling in other shit into the bulletstorm >A flock of eagles are sucked into the bloody lead-nado >i run, crying to the nearby park >accidentally decimate everything in my path and kill everyone i every come near for the rest of my life. >fucking magnets

[@BloodRose26]

I recognize the council has made a decision; but given that it's a stupid-ass decision, I've elected to ignore it.

[@hermanwienen8187]

So I’m thinking you just go to a CSRM (Concealed Strong Round Magnet) class and get certified to have them on your person. You could have open SRM carry laws but that will make anti-SRM people nervous. Of course, it’s not responsible SRM owners that we have issues with…it’s the criminals that don’t care about the ban or the SRM laws. In addition, the ATF will now be ATF-SRM and I’m sure the South American Magnet Cartels are going to smuggle them across the borders. It all comes down to illegal magn-igration…and Health Care…because it costs more under the Health Care Act to remove magnets than it used to. Then again, Colorado and Washington may legalize the use of medicinal SRM(s) but only if you have less than 10z on your person at any time. The government will end up spending millions on the enforcement of the SRM ban and eventually it will divide Americans yet again on the power of big government. Previous politicians will give testimonies on how they once “Used Magnets” but didn’t stick them to anything or swallow them. See, the use of SRM(s) is really a gateway to more powerful cool scientific (made in nature) things that we can’t risk the young people of America being exposed to….because of China…they are the #1 producer of SRMs in the world and we can’t have them beat the US in something else. Now that I typed all that out as a Satire…I think I feel sad that it’s kind of how the world seems to work.

[@wandahart9739]

Woa I spelt a lot of thing wrong in that sentence dam autocorrect customs stops the magnets from getting through

[@firelite906]

don't hate on roy! he's a cool guy!

[@jdh100000]

Magnetic spheres were marketed and sold as toys starting in 2009 but they had been around for ages. Not saying I'm for the banning just thought it should be mentioned. Hopefully this gets reversed, best of luck.

[@norxcontacts]

How many people tried to sue you?

[@san01ramon]

Better start offloading my box of these before the ban,Or maybe keep them pristine unopened and sell on the black market come the 15th of April next year.. hmmmm

[@MegaDman42]

I can take them off your hands for you if you need a place to get rid of them when the time comes. :)

[@mertoayuf6379]

watch that guy making flips on 1:03 he broke his back omg

[@karlstein6832]

You can still buy these online, whats the big deal?

[@pandiem]

Zen looks like the Asian version of ImmortalHD.

[@BoomBoomBrucey]

Make them free with the purchase of legal marijuana and alcohol. The government will be fine with that :/

[@JC-fp9en]

why are they going after you guys?

[@Yace]

If,a child drown in water. Would they ban water?!?!?!

[@ShotTower1]

Let's say the figures are completely corrct (they're obviously not but bear with me), why should the ban happen when it's the fault of the parents for buying these for the kids.

[@TayG-y9q]

Can't people sign a petition against the ban like people do with drugs . ( I know drugs and magnets are totally different but there put into the same place.

[@omnipotente666]

Wait, then you can still send me more magnets to México? I have some of your magnets before and they are awesomw, and if the magnets are going to become a rarity then I want my collection to be huge, in my country magnets are legal so... please let me know if I can still order some magnets.

[@MochachiiinoWorks]

Mag-fcking-neto

[@ez2killgod]

Come on.

[@CodyMoniz]

start selling them on the darknet markets, i'm sure you'll find some audience

[@MrBranboom]

CPSC: Go fall on a pencil.

[@tinydancer7426]

They are going to take our scissors from us next ....... can't be having those dangerous things in the home where there are children. And then there is bath soap ...... oh, the humanity, a child might get some soap in their mouths.

[@Balgore8]

Is there anything we can do? Or is the war over?

[@MVrockersPS3]

Wow

[@bertalovejoy5315]

The CPSC are quick to ban magnets, so what's stopping them from stopping gender discrimination in the workplace? This is the only reason i'm unemployed and living off the state, I'd be supporting the patriarchy if I was employed, knowing that my male colleagues are being payed more for no reason. I advise every female out there to quit their jobs and be like me, working as a full time Internet activist so we can end gender discrimination once and for all! Berta Lovejoy, Feminist, Promoter Of Equality, Love, and Peace.

[@theblobishere]

Okay, jokes aside, How the hell do you make a living as an "internet activist"?

[@redgie987]

Is there one post in which you don't open your hippo size orifice of a mouth ? Get a job and shut up you waste of skin and air

[@CaptainAwesome9653]

Bahaha what a load of bullshit. Your one of those dumb arses that confuses feminist with sexist. Living off the state because you don't want to support the man. Do you have kids? Do they look at you everyday and feel ashamed that their mum is too lazy to get off the couch? How is sitting at home helping feminism? It doesn't it's far from it. Your just fulfilling the stereotype "stay at home woman," do you do the cooking and cleaning too? Or just the eating. You poor excuse for a human being, you make me sick.

[@Balgore8]

lol what are you from the 1950s? Women have more rights than men in today's society, get over yourself.

[@Muktukfukluk]

Captain Awesome That thing is troll, polluting the comments section on every video that makes it to the front page of reddit. Don't waste too much energy being irate.

[@Mattyew]

'Murica!

[@BlikeNave]

DON'T FEED YOUR KIDS STRONG MAGNETS. That is all.

[@kristjanaas651]

now i officially hate cpsc

[@insect212]

Even if their figures were true so what? If you are stupid enough to swallow these or a bad enough parent to allow your kid to have these then you deserve repercussions. Too often do we try to save idiots from themselves.

[@minhvu241]

I don't get this why they just ban magnet . Why they don't ban gun,nuclear weapons those is more danger than a small magnet .

[@comface]

lol 'Merica

[@skaarraven]

oi what about cigarettes, are they safer?

[@brosghost]

Welcome to american media

[@Azmoslam]

All these reddit fedorawarrior accounts are fucking hilarious.

[@thechosen1509]

I know, right?

[@Ctrl-h]

im pretty sure its because its extremely easy to make a gauss gun... that was my plan! then they got stolen and i couldn't buy more:( im 22

[@ThatFeelBr0]

So, if you could define them as a weapon then they would be OK to sell. You people are weird...

[@marcekbbillings5009]

As the documentation shows that most cases involved magnetic balls, and if Zen Magnets argues that these were not necessarily "high powered" magnets, then how could Zen Magnets argue the ban against their product or any other magnetic balls of this size? Why does the three years prior matter, if in fact the cases almost always involve magnetic balls? Don't get me wrong, I bought lots of Bucky Balls before they were no longer available, and I think we should be able to purchase magnets. But, the argument here seems flawed. Zen? The better argument, in my opinion, would be that the product is not inherently dangerous (no more than most anything else), with lots of data to prove it. Deaths/injuries occur with many objects, and that is not typically grounds for eliminating the objects. If magnets served no other purpose than to cause innocent deaths, then sure...ban em. But that's a ridiculous stretch from the truth.

[@MonologueMusicals]

The "documentation" shows an equal or higher number of hospital visits for the three years prior to the existence of buckyballs or zenmagnets in 2009. You'd have learned that by watching the video. The criteria for blaming a visit on ingested small round magnets would include reports with the words "strong & marble", "rare & round" or even "high & ball". Many of these reports are likely sports injuries such as a high ankle sprain while playing basket ball or tripping on spilled marbles.

[@marcekbbillings5009]

topdeck55 If you had viewed the supporting data, and reviewed ZM's comments which agree, you would know that most incidents involved magnets. The video did not correctly characterize the data. Check it out before replying so ignorantly and arrogantly.

[@wandahart9739]

I wish they would unban them I live in nz and customs chat he's me almost ever time I try to import them

[@Tckskater411]

murica...

[@phaztom313]

Lets see here. Trampolines, guns that can shoot plastic rounds at high velocity, things you can burn your fingers of with. What do they focus on? Magnets. Fucking Magnets. That's like saying, Oh yea there is a child in this room with a loaded gun, Here is a butter knife. Better focus on that because there is most definitely nothing more dangerous that we could be using our time and efforts on.

[@MAGNETO-i1i]

It should be banned for little kids. Not for all.