The Cr[AI]tive Revolution - The Future of Art (Full Documentary)

[@JonasTyroller]

I don't have all the answers. Your opinion matters. Keep the discussion civilized and let's talk!

[@slimboarder.o7]

Ai good

[@epicfilms4life507]

I think Ai is alright...

[@DissonantSynth]

My argument has always been that AI should **enhance** the creative/artistic process, not **replace** it.

[@AngryecksButActually]

@@DissonantSynth person who draws stuff here, I love you.

[@DissonantSynth]

@@AngryecksButActually I'm a singer, pianist and music producer, so I'm extremely passionate about all this AI stuff as well. I'm really just trying my best to look out for artists. That includes Jonas.

[@sammtavv]

Dear jonas, I really have to congratulate you. You've worked your hardest to keep posting content on KZbin and making cool games and programs. This documentary is probably the peak of your effort. You are really a success of a person.

[@JonasTyroller]

Thank you! :)

[@titok0018]

@@JonasTyroller the beggining of humans is kinda cool if you tell the ai make a picture about this

[@DoodleChaos]

Amazing job on this documentary Jonas! Your hard work on this really shows!

[@junyong0716]

hello

[@cerostymc]

Hard work, yes. But that doesn't mean everything he says is right. Sadly there were a lot of dismissive arguments regarding the "is AI art theft" debate...

[@Dindonmasker]

coming from you, this is a massive compliment.

[@Zoova]

Love your work DoodleChaos

[@SineEyed]

@@cerostymc yeah but there really is no debate. Ai art is not theft in any way, shape, or form. Those who think differently should first remedy their own ignorance, before doing much of anything else..

[@YaenGamedev]

It's a pleasure to be included as a little part of this massive project. Thank you, and great work on the documentary, Jonas. I hope this reaches, informs and inspires as many people as possible.

[@Goodgis]

I really appreciate you taking the time to make this, Jonas. It's incredibly import as it effects the future for everyone. Thanks so much!

[@fieryimmortal]

To be fair, the only reason I was able to guess that they were all AI generated, was because I wasn't playing the ''image guessing'' game, I was playing the ''predicting the youtuber trying to prove a point about that you're not able to tell the difference between the real and fake images'' game.

[@rodnee2340]

Some of the facial gestures are typically AI I think. For instance it does this eyebrow raising thing that just looks a little off or predictable.

@@rodnee2340 Depends. There is no such thing as a typical thing though. It could be a feature of the model (the trained network used) if that was what was wanted.

[@rodnee2340]

@ well that explains the fact it looks unnatural and predictable. Uncanny valley so to speak. I think we are a very long way in making avatars and machines look human. But CGIs of humans are getting there. But they never look quite natural. And it's hard to put your finger on it.

[@nomindseye]

AI is easily spotted in bigger resolution. That's why it's still not even close professionally usable. 2k is not big enough for print, and when even it's that big it's obvious that it's an AI image. It's not actually about the mistakes, it's the... Well the algorithm. It generates these sort of impressionist images, but with a "style" of "brushstrokes" that are super obvious to anyone who actually looks at art critically.

[@dungeoneering1974]

It is hard to have a nuanced discussion when a bunch of artificial artists ("prompt engineers") enter the field of art and intentionally insult professional artists, antagonize them, steal their work, and then claim to be art gods. All while threatening to end their careers.

[@netanelaker4437]

The only good take in this comment section. Thank you.

[@maxponce1668]

Me thinks that's the usual toxicity when something new drops, specially when you read the really shitty stuff that artists say and then the ai users answer something ever worse and so on. TLDR the internet being r*tarded

[@sonar3108]

I hear you. They are colonizing the core of the world of each artists' creation, but people expect artists to be nice about it. Check out Decolonial AI Manyfesto, which some Stanford students created. The main voice behind it did a talk that is worth watching and that you can find on KZbin. It's titled "Sawubona" Ubuntu Ethics for AI by Sabelo Mhlambi. I'm learning that the parallels with colonization are very real and the exploitation is at every stage and global, including underpaying Kenyan workers to sift through horrific content to clean up ChatGPT. Imagine if we all joined forces.

[@netanelaker4437]

@@sonar3108 I'll read about it. I knew about the Kenyan workers. The thing is - A.I tech bros think that companies like OpenAI wants to usher a new era of prosperity and a utopia. One should only point out that a foundation built on slavery and exploitation isn't a utopia, and it never will. Also, if they think a corporation would build the tools to dismantle Capitalism, the very system they worship - that's just won't be. The thing that we need is ethical, FOR THE WORKERS A.I generative models and companies, possibly decentralized. Show the people that A.I shouldn't be synonymous with destabilization and exploitation and that there is another way.

[@sonar3108]

@@netanelaker4437 Yes, it's mind boggling how many people just trust the tech industry as though it is any different from any other exploitative industry. I guess this is partly because so many of us are wedded to our phones and laptops that they seem like an extension of us. We've become so reliant on tech that we take them at their word even when they brazenly break the law.

[@thomasbrush]

Thanks for having me Jonas. You are a master of KZbin and game dev. I’m just in awe of what you’ve made here

[@soirema]

34:00 the protest on ArtStation isnt to just boycote AI, its to protect their work from being stolen to the database, and signify that it was human generated

[@SineEyed]

I love that they did that because it shows unequivocally that they have no fucking idea how ai image generation happens. The artists against ai have taken their position out of blind ignorance. It's both hilarious and disappointing at the same time..

[@flow185]

@@SineEyed bruh they litterally get their work stolen

[@SineEyed]

@@flow185 no images were "stolen". You must not know what that word means.. 😒

[@strawbeare]

​@@SineEyed you definitely do not know what your talking about for you to have the audacity to say they're art weren't being stolen, and EVEN MORE audacity to say that they don't know what it means to steal something

[@SineEyed]

@@strawbeare in your opinion, maybe. If anyone were to make an objective analysis of the facts, however, it is quite unlikely that they would find themselves in agreement with you..

[@netanelaker4437]

Gotta love how the corporates' priority, and by extension, humanity's priority, isn't to cure cancer with A.I, fix climate change, fix human suffrage in third world countries, etc, but to replace creatives and fight who is going to have the better means of control upon us. And you also gotta love how we all must say "these corporations are too powerful, and the toys they are giving me are too fun" instead of putting checks and balances. Gotta love humanity overall.

[@sonar3108]

I feel like we're digital twins. Solidarity.

[@Paradox1012]

Play xenoblade 3 and then come back and tell me that corporate and humanity are "the same thing". You aren't seeing the whole only a Half.

[@netanelaker4437]

@@sonar3108 Solidarity brother :) may we survive this insane time!

[@netanelaker4437]

@@Paradox1012 Corporations literally run the world. I don't care where you live - your government is lobbied hard by corporations. This comment is on KZbin, a corporation. Everything you consume is a corporation. I can go on and on but spare me.

[@Paradox1012]

@@netanelaker4437 But corporations are not humanity itself. You worded it this way and I vehemently disagree with that position.

[@VertexCarver]

Having spent the past 6 years with a part time job to enter the creative industry, there's always going to be room for the best. However, I can't see how this won't kill the majority of entry jobs in the creative industry. In my opinion, cleaning up the A.I's illustration to me, sucks any joy out of the job. There's a huge difference if you're just tangetial to being a specialist & hold loose opinions about this. But don't go full Dunning-Kruger & state that it's fine as it is. Btw, the A.I. is very skewed toward the top 1% of art in its data set as it's the desired outcome. The majority of it's training is done by the body of work of professionals without our permission. All traning data is not created equal so it's not as far removed as you guys insinuate. It's happening regardless is not a valid argument for exploitation & misuse.

[@Antares-vj7su]

Exactly, people put some emotional music in the background and start talking about how art is deep inside human emotions so artists will be happy 4ever and ever. Art is business, artists are hired and if there is a solution around that is 100x cheaper, faster and doesn't even require sleep well they will wipe thir butt with human emotions. AI is already replacing creative jobs and it will be a doomsday for the industry.

[@ennmatien9941]

Yup, also its not like its gonna "create new jobs" As tech evangelists would claim. No one is worried about their job taken by them, the job will dissapear in the first place. No one is gonna pay someone to do abysmall labour like typing prompts, Just cut the middleman. What would likely to happen for big studios is that the already senior artists would be required to generate and fix the mush that ai vomits with their technical skills, while firing all the junior artists. For indie studios, well no need to commission artists anymore. No one is getting a new job by adapting to this, it is not just a tool, it will mow entire industries.

[@crepooscul]

@@ennmatien9941 Tech evangelists say that "this will create more jobs" while also saying that "AI art is good for indie devs, because they no longer need to pay artists" which is just hilariously contradictory.(undeservingly that is, because like it or not, the most important part of generating AI images is the actual artwork of artists that's used by the software while they get NOTHING in return for their hard work). So this is pure baffling insanity. We as humans are charging into chaos with nothing other than baseless optimism as an argument for why doing it is a good idea.

[@joyfulnoize6958]

​@@crepooscul it's almost like the ones in charge could give zero f's. Crushed under the monster truck wheels of 'Progress'

[@crepooscul]

@@joyfulnoize6958 Of course they don't give an f. Just like the common fool who pushes for this nonsense should learn that those in charge will not give an f when they'll lose their jobs, they won't get their utopian "UBI", and instead they'll starve.

[@bobnolin9155]

Designers will not be replaced, but the artists creating the work will. CGI (while not AI) already automates what was once hand-drawn, but it allows the creation of images economically impossible by the old hand-drawn method without putting anyone out work. As a lifelong artist and writer (I'm 64), I stopped using digital tools a few years ago, returned to the watercolor I love. Traditional artists have nothing to worry about. In fact, hand-made art could see a big comeback. (We can always dream, right?) I would not want to be in publishing right now, trying to figure out which manuscripts are really written by people.

[@naytron210]

This is, by far, the best piece of content that you've made Jonas. And that's saying a lot, your stuff has always been consistently great. Deep, thoughtful, explored from all sides, funny, friendly, and professional. Next level my friend, your passion really shines in this one.

[@ghb323]

I’m not against any tools or systems themselves, I’m against the lazy people that are flooding art sites with garbage. Hands with extra fingers and blending with other body part, continuity issues on the negative space, and overall weird errors on the image. Plus they’re often generic (100s of pictures whose character have the same faces). Any bad person can rapidly “spam” garbage content on the site and render finding actual art as finding a needle in a haystack. Even if the copyright problem is fixed, gaining an audience (views, subscribers, patreon supporters) is much harder than ever.

[@ghb323]

This can also cause moderation headaches. Because of its speed and its resemblance to real art, automated moderation isn’t able to tell what work is AI generated, stolen content, or real art. Imangine these so-called “YTPMV” (youtube poop music videos, music videos made using samples from other sources such as sound effects) veg replace shuric scans (appears extremely often if you look up “YTPMV” and search by most recent, thumbnails consist of 3 canvas stacked in the center and 2 canvas on either side of it, all being 42 seconds long) made by amateur users. But a lot less obvious. With a platform infested with garbage at such a degree, may very well make finding content as hard as finding a shiny pokémon.

[@KiewieGames]

My guy casually dropping this masterpiece like it’s a normal video

[@Dani17]

This video is amazing, the effort put into it is truly speechless. I've understood and learned lots of things from this. Great video Jonas, keep going.

[@_remblanc]

What is being meant when people talk about AI being a grift is not that the technology itself is a grift, but rather that many grifters have caught onto it and are trying to deliberately devalue the work of artists and probe the publications working with artists and paying them money. These people see generative AI as a get-rich-quick scheme to speedrun art without putting in much of a real effort, and that really sucks. P.S. Cryptographic proof doesn’t need to be tied to a blockchain, let’s stop forcing this “Web3” meme for good.

[@JonasTyroller]

Fair point.

[@SineEyed]

@Jane Smith tell me where your biases are, without telling me where your biases are. Sheesh! lol But anyway... the information you're presupposing with your little hypotheticals there, has been around for a while. You could have gone and read those TOS yourself, but for some reason, you decided not to. And then you made the choice to comment here, letting everyone know how lazy and ignorant you actually are. Go figure.. 😒

[@hellomate639]

AI is worse than that. AI would be a horror in a society where people don't have to work. It creates numbing stimulation in the place of meaningful connection - and it uses the sacred expressive moments mechanically morphed into a machine to do it.

[@3oxisprimus848]

This video should be preserved for ALL future generations. Well Done, My Friend.

[@SantaKask]

A masterpiece. You going all-in in the tools you showed us, instead of the usual KZbinr route of minimal effort into maximal content is my favourite part.

[@Shinesart]

This is the best video about AI related I've watched in KZbin. You really balance for both sides and pros and cons. I just hope people would think like you with fair mind. We have to be really careful or all of us will lose our mean for lively hood.

[@overglocked]

Awesome video man. You can really feel the heart and effort that went into it, the passion behind it, the human in it. And that makes art. So thanks Jonas, for something deeply nuanced in a time of turbulence.

[@swissyode]

sure, this will be a rare jem once all the videos are being cranked out by AI.

[@doviart-fashiondesignersli5161]

Your documentary got me thinking really hard. what exactly is art? I had the same anguish the last year at the art academy while working on my diploma work and now your documentary awaken that question again. In my understanding art is everything that goes beyond the visual, audio or text. It's the emotion, the intention, the message, the energy that distinguishes the art from a copy, from eye candy without any substance. What I see here that those images will oversaturate the internet and beyond and the visual tiredness, plus the social consequences will take over and the search for what's "real" will take over. Same as with fast fashion, it dominated for a while and now the problems it created are paving the way for desire of quality. For an artist to watch all this unfolding is very challenging, but it also a call not to fall asleep on achievements, not to despair, but learn, get creative and figure out how to use this as a tool, adapt and keep creating art that touches another human being on a soul level.

[@jhhwild]

I think AI art will likely drive artists offline to create "organic human made" art to distinguish themselves from AI. If AI art is indistinguishable from the real thing artists will have to go out of their way to prove they actually made the art themselves, maybe a video of the entire process of making the art will be included as a certificate of authenticity. Or even live art making in front of an audience. People forget that we appreciate impressive human talent.

[@mikexhotmail]

Indeed. ps. It is kind of funny to realize that those amateur Tiktokers are much more "Original" than digital artist?

[@kellyanquoe]

First heard this opinion in 2005

[@jhhwild]

@@kellyanquoe Was AI art a thing back then?

[@mikeduke57]

A lot of artists post video clips on Instagram and other Social Media of them drawing / painting etc a work in progress at different stages of development.

[@johncasey9544]

I think there will be a huge evolution in electronic music about manipulating ai to make weird alien unheard stuff. As a musician that's what I'm planning to do; much more interesting than learning an instrument better.

[@AlanAztec]

My 10 minute wake up coffee routine turned into a 1.5 hour entertainment and educational morning. Really good watch.

[@idkbruh173]

I think AI is going to be perfect for feeding the masses, like you describe in 27:20 In my opinion, a lot of self expression has already turned into "content", just make a new tiktok account and look at the stuff you get. For this type of stuff, AI will be perfect. It will make stuff that grabs your attention, you give it a like, and scroll to next one. I am already sick of effortless,attention grabbing content on the internet, and I think as time goes on, it will only become more effortless and more soulless because of AI. This would probably lead to more and more people getting sick of the content, and looking for stuff with personality, and creative expression, which would lead to more creators making that type of content again.

[@ITR]

One problem is that the more trash there is, the more difficult it will be for actual good content to be discoverable.

[@Paradox1012]

​@@ITR A War Of Siphoning And Dividing Data Will Ocurr Then.

[@tomatom9666]

@@ITR The trash is darwinian, it's survival of the fittest, if you get stuck mindlessly scrolling, it's a lot like falling in to pit of quicksand, it's crucial that all of us develop very precise abilities to separate the gold from trash

[@ITR]

@@tomatom9666 The problem isn't being able to separate good from bad, the problem is how many bad you need to look at before finding something good.

[@ZephyrinSkies]

I don't think we should discount the potential damage to people's collective mental health where they may be less capable or motivated to seek out quality content.

[@skjoldgames]

I've been reading Human Compatible, listening to Lex Friedman's interviews with AI giants and overall researching the hell out of basic things like the alignment issue, but I didn't expect to find such an insightful and well thought out video on the subject from another game developer. Good work Jonas, and also Thomas for his part.

[@TheShelfman]

This documentary is insane. Great job on it Jonas! Proud to be able to say I helped. Looking forward to seeing what people think. (Now go take a nap)

[@oneir0mancer]

When people discuss AI, a lot of the times they present it as some abstract magical entity that one day will replace us or something. But in reality AI doesn't exist in and of itself. There's always a human actor involved. Whether it is a person creating and training AI or a person just using it, there always is someone "pushing the button". So the issues we're now facing aren't really about the AI. They are about how we as humans interact with each other. Be it something practical like copyright laws and art theft, or something philosophical like what we consider "art". AI just managed to push these issues to their extreme in a really short span of time, applied enough pressure to reveal the problems we've been sweeping under the rug. In that regard, it is unfair to blame "AI" for anything. It is actually helping us by forcing us to face these problems.

[@Survivalist_Redo]

You remind me of guns It just manifests the symptoms of a disease that was already there

[@JonasTyroller]

Interesting point, yeah. AI is not autonomous yet, however I wouldn't be on it never getting there. If that's something that interests you, I can recommend to watch some stuff by David (link in description) who talks about mental architectures a lot. Besides that I think you are probably right, for the foreseeable future AI is mostly a human problem. The AI is fed with human data as well, so the fact that this first version of Bing Chat is emotionally unstable is more like a mirror in front of our face.

[@MrAldafox]

My thoughts exactly. AI is thought of as to be some nebulous thing where as like you say, it ultimately has people behind it. In a way what you're seeing is a group of people (the class of those behind the development and funding of AI technologies) consolidating their power and convincing all of us to buy into it and bolster them up.

[@tomatom9666]

It's an extrusion of humanity. If you know something about 3d modelling you know what I mean.

[@jayedwin98020]

Hopefully, "AI" will have the ability to expand each person's talents from where they currently are. Although, I'm afraid the "negatives of AI" are very real, and just waiting to pounce.

[@hyperbotzz]

I did not watch this video at first because of the length, but thank god I finally decided to do it. This was a very informative and mind blowing documentary. Jonas your hard work really shows. Thank you for this masterpiece of a video

[@TalEdds]

​@John Sinatra Great outlook and sentiment. Should have posted it as a comment on its own. People need to think more like you instead of being their pessimistic and dystopic self. 👍

[@singbike5832]

I have a real problem with this sweeping use of AI. The way it can be used to distort reality, how it is being used to "replace" human creativity and expression. This is crossing a line. Art, voice acting, music...these things are supposed to come from the human soul, not from a soulless machine. This ties in with the whole "transhumanism" idea that some have become enamored with...a dualism of loathing our humanity yet worshiping our own technology. We are erasing ourselves and even reality. And even beyond these obvious concerns, we don't know what other kinds of consequences there will be...hardly a sign to go plunging ahead. We are in dangerous waters.

[@heavenseek]

Very well said. We're gonna see a lot of unexpected, negative disruption.

[@Paradox1012]

Transhumanists would argue that we are giving the machines souls so it equals out or some shit lol. I wonder how that would effect the collective unconscious.

[@Vigilence]

Pretend it’s women’s makeup, but used on everything else now.

[@NeolineTheChaos]

We might start to have people who are dependent on AI, who dont know how to do anything

[@Jessthewitch]

My argument against AI has always been the same. In a age of incresing anxiety and depression due to a lack of meaning. Do we need MORE content to consume mindlessly? Or do we need BETTER crafted content, done with purpose and intention? Is AI the next step of the ever growing human spirit that aspires towards greater things. Or is it the next step of an untreated cancer cell? How social media has taken away meaning by making artists mindless creators who have to please a machine should say a lot about the intentions that drive technological advancement. We are trapped in a delusional ego trip. Nature tells us to learn from our very clear mistakes but we continue to push against it, deluded into thinking that we can patch every single imperfection without ever taking an inch of responsability as individuals for our way of living.

[@innerpull]

To me what's completely depressing (you touch on this) is that now when you see a beautiful work of art or photo, you'll have to wonder if it was made by an artist or photographer - OR, AI (something I've already found myself doing). And because the lines will blur further and further, the unspoken response turns into something like it 'doesn't matter' whether a human made it or AI did. SO ubiquitous, that in fact it smothers both the beauty or visceral nature of art/photography, the gravity of accomplishment, AND, the value. This is why we can't have nice things. (poor attempt at a joke while feeling abysmally defeated)

[@METTI1986LA]

That’s exactly what I thought! The value of art is completely gone! AI Is like a calculator for Art and anybody now thinks he is an artist only by writing prompts 😢

[@narael2348]

This is really scary, art is not only about the end result, it's also about the journey of producing said artworks. By blurring the line with AI, people will care less and less about the methods and only about the superficiality of emotionless artworks. The only future i'm seeing, is just an army of people creating everywhere, but no one to admire, because too busy creating their own. Who wants to see what others do when you can do it with your own ideas. Scarcity is not a bad things and people seems to forget.

[@tomatom9666]

Press the windows start button (if you're on windows), go to the shut down option and click it. Wait a few seconds and all of your problems are gone!

[@narael2348]

@@tomatom9666 Thanks for such an interesting comment. I hope your contribution in the AI art world will be as interesting as that !

[@tomatom9666]

@@narael2348 I don’t know if your comment is passive aggressive or not lol I was trying to say that this whole thing is happening digitally and if you just go for a walk, look at some birds and plants it’s still all there and you‘re fine :) AI will not change that

[@kzonix]

I never expected something like this, but this is by far your best video. Respect for disabling ads on this hour and a half masterpiece.

[@The_1ntern3t]

Probably one of the best videos on KZbin right now on this topic. The intro already sold me and the rest of the video was equally as amazing.

[@ihateithereseason2]

This is one of the best A.I opinion vids I've seen yet . A.I , we seem to be applying it to art first . Thats very human.

[@I_am_YoYo_now_you_know]

Fantastic video on a very intriguing and important topic. Timing also could not be any better(considering all recent advances and Microsoft vs Google stuff). AI changes the world at the insane pace and no one really knows what comes, but it's here to stay, that's 4sure. I watched the whole thing almost in one go. Just excellent! From overview of technologies and their applications to deep philosophical questions about morality, potential future and overall role of h00mans on this journey... Bravo! This is definitely one of your best videos Jonas! You are truly a gem of community. Everyone involved did an amazing job. Thank you for the video!

[@JuanUys]

Jonas, this is great, and I love your optimism. You only spoke to a handful of devs, however, so I'm quite looking forward to a follow-up where you ask more indies about their outlook on AI.

[@Mekhel]

The quality of this video is absolutely incredible! It was a pleasure watching it from start to finish!!

[@Mekhel]

You know you've succeeded on KZbin when scammers are using your name to scam ppl.

[@madscientistmikhail]

You are one of the few people I know and have heard say that our opinions can be different but we can be friends. My wife and I have best friends that have nearly opposite opinions and viewpoints as us. We wouldn't hate them for anything. I wish everyone could be that way. Thank you for your content!

[@hanh7395]

Thanks for making this video. I'm an illustrator and I was thoroughly depressed by AI art. Now after watching this video, I'm still depressed, I'm not sure if I'm more depressed or less. But hey at least now I know I'm not alone. We can all be sad humans together. Ignore my profile picture, I am not a cat.

[@swissyode]

as someone who has always aspired to be an illustrator, but never felt talented enough, I feel now I'll never be good enough and so there's no reason to try and that I should give up on all my dreams.

[@Cyliandre441]

@@swissyode Don't, your art doesn't have to be profitable or popular to have value. Even of your art doesn't make money or is wonky it is something only you can create. Your dreams are more important than anything else, everything should be in service to them. They should always have a place in your life, no matter how big or small.

[@hanh7395]

@@swissyode I feel you dude. And that's a sad fact. I'm afraid more and more people will spend less time trying to learn how to draw and instead learn the technical shit behind setting up how to make AI art. But I guess it boils down to interest or passion. If you're really interested in learning art I guess you'll continue regardless if there's a financial incentive or not. And think about it, if more and more people use AI to create art, those of us who still can do it will be part of the uncommon. But like the video have mentioned, it doesn't hurt to learn how to do both. At least we'll be part of the spectrum of AI + human art. Don't give up 👍🏻

[@dustasdu]

I'm going through a masive meaning crisis. This whole AI thing shaked my entire world. Im a trained artist, I work in theater and I make music in my free time so art is my reason to live. There's nothing more important to me. I dont think about this shit every day but I know there's a storm coming. I hope for the best, but I just dont know yet. I send you my love!

[@defaulted9485]

@@swissyode I feel you dude, it's a vicious cycle of suffering knowing we human will be fractured and now exposed to real people who does not even see another human as you talk to them. As a preface I say AI is evil because we paid it thrice to extort us. First they took our copyright. Second they took a culture and profit off without the people who preserves it. Third and mainly, it costs a lot of server power, graphic power, energy drain, and absurd electrical power to train the AI, to remove eco friendly people who power their art using their own sweat, blood, and tears. It's just an abomination to the environment, and look what governments do. Sell Carbon Credits for eco friendly company. Forget the individuals who already does it in a practical and environmentally safe technique. THEY ARE MONETIZING COMMON SENSE, MONETIZING WELLNESS, MONETIZING KINDNESS, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO JUSTIFY THIS? I haven't found any answer to combat this since its a systematic international bureaucratic financially motivated evil, but I can say for certain the age of "Dead/Bot Internet Theory" is at hand. Now we may only see artists in real life, who worked through sweat and tears as we see them. For all things impermanent, including AI, but I will always remember the artists who helped me become what I am. Citation and Reference fails evil people, and such will be my guide. Thank you Junji Ito, janyhero, Yoneyama Mai, Kuraiaku, whoisshe, shnva, Scootkenn, Popukyun, Ask, jacknife, azLing, Wincalblanke, Kuroblood, Kim Jung Gi, Masashi Kishimoto, Eiichiro Oda, Kubo Tite, Alex Hirsch, Isaac Asimov, Niccolo Machiavelli, Salvador Dali, Vincent van Gogh, Pablo Picasso, Rembrandt, Michelangelo, Akira Toriyama, Osamu Tezuka, Hayao and Goro Miyazaki, Makoto Shinkai, Quentin Tarantino, Martin Scorsese, and Stephen King. I have come full circle. Thanks to my parents to not believe everything on the internet, now I shall help them not believe anything in the internet. I guess this would most likely be the last year where we anonymously see others as humans anymore. So long, anonymous user. May your real life now escapes this fakeness anonymity of chaos.

[@austensperry4163]

Excellent documentary, Jonas! I admire your diligent effort to investigate the pros and cons of this topic while remaining generally neutral in the process. Also, thank you for making yourself vulnerable enough to admit to your fears. I also fear the possibility that I will never know what is true and what is not via the internet. Thank you for the monumental effort you put into making this video! It came out great, and I’ve learned quite a lot from it! I’m not sure how popular my opinion is, but as AI and computer technologies become more prevalent, I find I want less and less contact with them. To me, the convenience comes at the price of keeping me from growing as a person, from thinking, and from experiencing things myself versus just watching others experience them.

[@jayedwin98020]

You're worried that "AI" has the potential for stopping your growth as an individual. As an artist, an "AI" designer, or just a person, if you continue to push your own limits, and then once reached, try and go beyond them, hopefully you will never be satisfied with "just watching". Never let yourself become complacent, no matter what your endeavors might be.

[@saultoons]

Very nice Jonas, I like how you presented the information as unbiased as possible from competing sides, if there's one thing I'm certain on, it's that we need more of that type of presentation and discussion. Cheers.

[@gnastygames]

I have nothing to add to the conversation right now, but I just want to say that this was a great documentary and I hope it blows up and gets a lot of views, awesome job!

[@Skeffles]

Absolutely brilliant video Jonas! AI is a huge topic and you've really managed to dive deep into many conversations around it. Personally I think there is a lot of worry right now because we don't know how far AI will go, it seems like it has a lot of space to grow and that is understandably worrying. If we take a moment to understand the tools we have right now, work out how best to use them and how we want to use them then I think things will be okay. It's just going to take a moment to adjust.

[@EMunch-pv7lq]

Time stamp 5:30... hands down the best explainer I've found yet on how AI's work and the 'training' process. Chat GPT itself didnt do as well of a job explaining this, which tells me it still has a way to go... thank you for this!

[@coryjamescooper]

Just as much as an artist continuing to make art because they enjoy it should be able to still feed, shelter, and care for themselves, so should the people stocking the stores shelves. so should the people packing amazon orders. so should the people growing food. so should the people delivering food. so should the people serving food. so should the people creating automobiles. so should the people caring for others. This notion of "entry level jobs" not being deserving of being able to afford to live is ridiculous when just 50 years ago someone doing the same labor was able to afford such things.

[@netanelaker4437]

Yap. Notice how tech is evolving while the quality of life remains the same.

[@fynnjackson2298]

This is th eproblem. Art is what puts food on the table for artists. If we can support humanity with solving and innovating the finacial system, the living system, the education system and all other systems. Then everyone can create art and be an artist to their hearts content.

[@DaveShap]

Thanks again for the great talk! Cheers!

[@JonasTyroller]

Thank you for your wisdom! This video would not have been possible without you.

[@ApersonOfColor]

its david

[@IndyStry]

Great documentary! 90 minutes well invested, funny, informative and to the point! Sharing it with friends!

[@tobiasfilms8825]

Incredible video. Currently an hour in, and im stunned that while working on your next indie game, while releasing videos on your channel regularly, you dropped this 1.5 hour bombshell out of the blue. AI will never overtake Jonas!! ;)

[@fabiodeoliveiraribeiro1602]

Artists produce works of art. Artificial Intelligence can produce something that looks like art, but something qualitatively different. When he works, the artist does not just exercise the technical skills he has learned, perfected or developed. His emotion is incorporated into the artwork. Artificial Intelligences can be trained to create new and unusual images but the products they create are devoid of emotion. The artist's mental state influences the creation process and contributes to the production of a specific and unique work (and not another). AI can eventually simulate human consciousness, but it doesn't have an unconscious mind. A human being has consciousness, and an unconscious portion as well. The motivations and themes present in the finished work can spring from both. This is the point. What differentiates humans from AI should also be considered a criterion for differentiating what they create. Art is something made by a human artist. What AI does deserves another name: iArt, for example. The value of the artwork must obviously be greater than that of the iArt.

[@SpricesExist]

For profit companies only value art in terms of how much it costs to pay the artist, vs how much money they can earn through the art. There is not nearly enough demand for average art that isn't already popular due to some sort of branding. Illustrations used in blogs, thumbnail art, and so on can be created using ai. All those who currently perform these jobs, already not earning enough, are at risk of losing them. THAT is the issue. Not some abstract bs about the 'value' of art.

[@DissonantSynth]

Re: replacing artists. Human-produced art will never stop being created, but its prevalence and the motivation to create it will certainly be inhibited by economic factors. No job = no money = no time and resources.

[@MrDelord39]

No time is just wrong. You just have less time because you have to do it in your free time.

[@beaverson]

@@MrDelord39 Will all just be stuck working at amazon warehouses forever, having are futures and voices stripped from use.. All slaves, forever working for the 1%..

[@jaison3905]

Thank you for taking the time to create helpful video. Artist needed a full picture of what is coming and you were very thorough in exploring all the industries that will be affected. This will be a classic documentary in the years to come. Keep up the great work you are doing.

[@ProfessorMacQ]

What people don't seem to understand as a major issue about AI, aside from the existing ethics concerns already raised, is that AI is being advertised as smart, and accurate, and better than the fields it is replacing. To those who are unskilled in those areas, that looks true. Only those in those fields being replaced are going to notice the actual problems with the results. The average joe sees no issue. So why is this a problem? 1. People who are not skilled in any field will see AI as a "good enough" replacement for entire industries. People with money to hire others, normally hire for an area they're not skilled in. If they don't have to spend money and can use AI instead, no one skilled gets work. If they do have to spend money, but AI is cheaper, and perceived as "good enough, or better" they will always go with AI. Society now devalues skilled workers. AI companies become the only place to get decent work. Where are these displaced workers going to get jobs? What is their quality of life? 2. If we outsource all creative and technical fields to AI, people are going to get dumber and dumber and dumber, because they will rely on AI to do everything for them, and there's no societal reason to develop those skills anymore. They're not compensated properly. Society won't reward them anymore. No one is impressed. We have "outsourced" intelligence. As both an artist and a programmer, I can tell you which skill I decided was "worth my time" to develop more. We base our personal development off of what society values. Consciously or unconsciously. That's a fact. Creative fields will be "hobbies" certainly, but no one will feel any need to become a master at learning any skill to do "manually" what an AI can do for free in seconds. Why would you? AI is way more convenient. Then what happens when there are no more skilled people left creating new stuff? What happens when all the people who actually know how to make the stuff the AI trained on are all dead, and didn't teach anyone their skills because we don't value that stuff as a society anymore? Now these generative AI models have to find data to base their output on, and the bulk of the data left will be AI generated. Not always entirely accurate, but close. So more and more AI generated stuff is fed back into the AI model, because increasingly, that's all that remains. Every heard of "lossy" image compression? Ever seen a "crunchy" JPEG meme that's been through so much lossy compression it's incomprehensible? The results will get worse and worse, not better as time goes on. Then what? We're fucked. People need to rely on and develop their own skills, and we need to treat those skills as valuable as a society, because they are, and we should compensate skilled work properly. I strongly believe reliance on AI will be the death of humanity. AI is a tool, it is not an end product. Don't blindly trust anything a computer does for you.

[@awesomemike3857]

I totally agree you

[@awesomemike3857]

I am quite annoyed that we are just going to lay all our arms down for total AI reliance Humans are lazy but we have an understanding that doing something with your hands are more fulfilling Because something is easy do, means it losses it's value And when it loses its value then it's not fulfilling

[@awesomemike3857]

And that's means entertainment as a whole would lose it's value because yeah I can do it too Why would I watch someone walking, if you can also walk In the end, if everyone has superpowers it won't be special

[@JonasTyroller]

Very interesting takes. Thanks a lot for sharing. About humans getting dumber and dumber: Not entirely sure that's what will happen. Challenging yourself is fun, see video games for example, so humans are gonna keep doing that and that also leads to acquiring some skills. Now could it be that the skills we acquire will be kinda useless, like let's say the only thing we're gonna be good at will be playing video games? Yes, that is a possibility. At the same time if AI has taken over everything else cause it can do everything better than us, maybe that's actually okay. About AI training on AI generated data: At the moment you are right. Constantly feeding AI generated stuff back into an AI will probably eventually make results worse and worse. However, humans somehow do that in a constructive way, right? Human generated stuff can be used to teach and train other humans and they can learn from it and eventually do even better to generate new data. Unless there is some sort of "magic" happening inside of human brains that AI can never replicate, I think AI will eventually be able to do the same, where it can learn from its own data without progressively getting worse and worse. Humans prove that it is possible. So if it is possible, AI cam probably eventually do it. About technology being gone and all of us being screwed: That is already the case. None of us knows how to survive without technology anymore. We don't know how to do farming. We don't know how to hunt wild animals. Most of us don't know how to start a fire etc. The reason for that is because we don't need to. So humanity no longer learning skills they do not need is not necessarily a new thing, nor something that is inherently bad. Don't learn stuff you don't need seems like a rule that makes sense to me at least. While playing devils advocate a bit here, I still see your point and there is definitely some truth to what you're saying. Interesting discussion to be had for sure.

[@goldwhitedragon]

@@JonasTyroller Average IQ is already decreasing due to mutational overload and spiteful mutants. KZbin has a Channel called Edward Dutton. He talks about why people are getting more stupid. Peak IQ was reached in about 1850. Many that should have died off were saved due to technology. That means unfit stayed alive and reproduced until now. That is why infrastructure etc. is beginning to crumble.

[@jkRatbird]

Best take on the subject ive seen so far. You're a great video essayist!

[@pigizoid9924]

the getty images a.i. watermark is just too funny "you played yourself"

[@Husmanmusic]

What an incredible video this is! Appreciate it

[@jolozs]

Honestly, I hope that with the age of AI, people behind art, code and even making AIs themselves get appreciated more by having people see that "someone put work into this".

[@shieldmaidensnusnu]

none of it would exist without those people on which it gained it's value, without them it would have no value or not nearly as interesting as it is right now. BUt instead of appreciation I see most of the time how artists, writers, aso except for the coders get bullied, disrespected and even completely dehumanized. As someone who comes from the game industry, dealt with AI aso and watching this whole show for at least 9 months and all the problems my collegues and friends had to face I have only complette utter disdain for the main AI devs and the AI community which is indiscribable. I never thought I would find myself hating humans so much.

[@NycroLP]

@@shieldmaidensnusnu Amen. The AI community is truly the most disgusting shit Ive seen.

[@crepooscul]

@@shieldmaidensnusnu The most disgusting thing I've seen in relation to this AI garbage is the sheer amount of people harboring juvenile ideas of utopia and baseless optimism. "We'll all get replaced by AI. That means no more jobs and free money for everyone!". Absolute batshit madness.

[@mazerumaze]

Here's one issue with that. No one who is reasonable is denying that to get actual good results with AI, you need to figure out how to do the prompting well and spend a lot of time adjusting and sifting the prompts. But that does not mean that they deserve the same *type* of respect as artists, or that they should be respected for the same things. They shouldn't. They are very, very different things; with some overlap, to be sure, as with many other tools, but it's like how someone who is good at doing photoshop touch-ups would not be respected for the same things as a painter, but it's not impossible to have elements of photoshopping in digital painting creation. It's a scale. And the quite honestly with the snobbish and condescending attitude almost all of the AI community seems to exude... they have forfeited any right to be respected as a whole and have long now entered a category of only exceptions deserving it in the eyes of many actual creators.

[@InjuredMuffin2]

@@mazerumaze I myself use ai as part of my creative process, and i also noticed the snobby attitude a large number of AI users have, i completely agree with you that they don't deserve the same amount of respect as genuine artists, a prompt can be made in 10 to 30 minutes (for a reasonably good prompt that is) a genuine good piece of art can take days if not longer, and on top of that it needs skill and mastery of the medium, which is why i doubt AI will replace artists, people will want the human aspect of art, Ai art to me isnt that impressive now that its so commonplace, i know how its done, if anything AI should really mostly be used for placeholders (like temporary textures or sprites in games) and inspiration (when you know what you want to do but can't figure out the details of it), good luck using AI art in a finished product cause you really won't get what you truly want out of it

[@onesocialunited]

You made the best AI documentary on the Internet. As a creative you presentation was fair, balanced and with a-lot of humor that explained a-lot of sensitive subjects and complex subjects. Great job brother and thanks for all your hard work you put into this video. 👍🏻⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️❤️

[@chrisrakkestad]

As an artist, I try to learn AI tools and use them if I can. My biggest issue with it is that it doesn't really satisfy my main drive to create, that inspired me to do art in the first place. It feels more like comissioning, or even just consuming art. I'd want the experience to be more physical, somehow. Like an AI paint brush, or a VR sculpting experience that extrapolates on your movements. A bit like animation works in Cascadeur maybe.

[@lilowhitney8614]

I'm in a similar boat in that my main drive with art is to create (Although I'm coming at it as a writer mostly with little ability to draw) and I totally get you. One of the downsides of most AI art is how little control you get. But there's actually some stuff that allows to keep a good amount of control! Try looking into stable diffusion and img2img. It allows you to give an image as a prompt as well as text and I'm in love with it. It allows me to create a very basic sketch or photobash the right composition and get something that looks good. Since you know how to draw I imagine your use would be pretty different. More along the lines of speeding up your workflow or using it to take over parts of the process you like less. For you it's also possible to train a model to mimic your own style to make it fit in better with whatever you create by hand.

[@chrisrakkestad]

@@lilowhitney8614 That is a good way to do it. I did try to make some simple sketches and feed them to MJ3 to get som great and crazy shapes and textures, and then feed that into MJ4 to turn it into a character design. But still, it makes the act of creation into a wholly cerebral process, whereas I really feel like great art comes from the process of infusing a piece with the tens of thousands of tiny decisions embedded in each brush stroke. And it's also a very meditative and enjoyable process. With an animation software like cascadeur, it sort of builds upon and enhances what you animate in a very direct way. If something similar could be achived for image making, that would be really cool. So that instead of the AI serving you something based on a prompt, it tries to interpret your actions and enhance them.

[@lilowhitney8614]

@@chrisrakkestad Yeah, AI is really best used for automating the parts of art you don't enjoy or don't have the skills to achieve. It's at its best when it enables the artist to do more of what they want to do rather than completely replacing them. Considering some of the capabilities I'm seeing being developed, the stuff you're describing seems very possible. Some of it is probably possible right now, but doesn't have a good interface to make it easy to use. It also doesn't help that most of the people using AI are ones with little artistic skill or familiarity with the creative process because then most of the features are created with that demographic in mind. It's pretty unfortunate most artists hate AI so much, if more of them were involved in the community they could ask for the kind of features that would be useful in an already established workflow. Honestly I feel like the main advantage of AI is that it allows artists to take on much more ambitious projects by themselves or with a small indie team. I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future a single person could make an entire animated movie by themselves without dedicating their entire life to this single project. Stuff that was previously limited to bug studios. I'm really excited to see what kind of stuff people can come up with when not limited like that.

[@AIAdev]

Thanks for making this video Jonas. Very well done and needed

[@eboatwright_]

This is amazingly high quality!

[@TheForeboding]

The one thing that I do recommend improving is to allow a second of breathing room between sentences instead of meticulously editing out every natural silence. What US tv does is not how it should be done.

[@shaunralston]

Beyond amazing, impartial, insightful, and even spiritual. Great job Jonas (and collaborators). Thanks for the hard work, insane hours, and passion that must have gone into this video. I'll share wildly and look forward to the discussions to come. Bravo!

[@richardpaczynski5486]

Outstanding work Jonas. Extremely informative. No doubt you are correct that these technologies are not fads. They will not just fade away in a couple of years mainly because they Can’t. The creative capacities are already established and embedded in Everything. But here’s a shout out to genuine collaboration between creative people and AI. Collaboration and guardrails that keep intact the livelihoods and dignity of the human family are essential. It is not hard to predict what will happen if the power of AI gets concentrated in the hands of too few.

[@GDColon]

Incredible video. You covered pretty much everything I (along with many people I know) would wonder about when it comes to AI, and kept it funny and engaging the whole way through. I can't express how much I appreciate and admire the effort that went into this.

[@whamikaze]

Woah. Never realized that GD Colon watched Jonas.

[@JonasTyroller]

Happy you enjoyed it. Thanks for the kind words.

[@NZIA]

i love gd colonge

[@willykitheka7618]

You're intro was absolutely fantastic! How did I not discover you;re channel earlier!

[@GamerReality]

You made a 90 minute documentary? Sweet! I love your content and this was a timely topic with some fresh perspectives, even if I skipped 20 minutes where you explained the tools since I am already well versed in the tools.

[@WakingUniverseTV]

Great work. Your passion and sincerity got me to subscribe. Keep up the great work.

[@ske2004]

A big part of art is the process of making the art itself, there's no process for AI art

[@therollerlollerman]

A big part of enjoying your vehicle is the process of cranking the vehicle yourself. Turning a key or pressing a button doesn’t have a process

[@ske2004]

@@therollerlollerman false analogy.

[@therollerlollerman]

@@ske2004 hard to make logical analogies for something as entirely subjective as “a big deal about art is the process”

[@ske2004]

@@therollerlollerman then don't do it

[@therollerlollerman]

@@ske2004 well I didn’t try to make a “logical analogy” but lampooned the obtuse original point

[@jchartcarver]

This is such a cool documentary! It started playing automatically while I was at work and too busy to monitor what was about to play, but once it started, I was hooked. It was very informative, helpful, and had some really good talks on the ethics of AI and stuff. 5 stars!!!

[@piranha1337]

I have to write this in german: Lange hat mich kein Video mehr so auf der Sofakante herum rutschen und "holy shit" rufen lassen. Wenn man bedenkt das du eigentlich Spiele entwickelst und dann Mal nebenbei eine Doku in Spielfilmlänge produzierst, dann bist du einer der krassesten Fi**ker auf KZbin. Geiles pacing und mitreißend ausgeführt. Die 1,5 Stunden vergingen wie im Flug. Meine Hochachtung vor deiner Leistung und Applaus für dieses Werk!

[@EngineerNick]

That was an incredible overview, thankyou :)

[@RomanPapush]

Enormous effort for a fantastic result! ✨ …or you just asked Bing to do it, we’ll never know!

[@MODEST500]

woah thanks for hosting david , really didn't expect to see him, i knew documentary will be miles better. i knew this documentary would explore the subject realistically instead ending up as just another video online. you really made a wise choice for choosing someone versed in cognitive architecture .

[@chuzzbot]

Most of the hateful attacks I see are from Ai users insulting and abusing the trained, hard- working artists they imitate and for some unintuitive reason, wish to destroy. after all, if they really wanted to be artists themselves, they would have worked and studied just as hard.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Great job, you have gained a new subscriber!

[@GamerReality]

I like the perspective of humans wanting to play human made games because of the connection people have with the creator. After all of the consideration, I'm not really concerned about the change that AI will bring. I don't see how AI could run itself with quality while being unprompted unless you're talking about filler content. I'm not even sure it would be allowed. Also, with AI making things easier, simpler, or helping us consume less information, I think it's all necessary to make us better people. If we're using these things successfully then it means we could have used it all along. Even though cars are a recent invention, it just makes sense to own and use one, and they haven't replaced our legs (heck, we need our legs to operate the thing).

[@tomatom9666]

​@Arn Saknussen Thomas Sowell once said "There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs" i.e the buddhist concept of samsara. All we're doing is pursuing faster and faster cycles of solution-consequence-solution-consequence. with AI we are just accelerating this cycle. To what end, I don't know.

[@mjames3662]

@The Hermit uhhh... where did his comment say cars made our lives amazing??? He said they are useful but have not replaced our legs... but since you brought it up I'll go ahead and say it... "Cars absolutely make our lives AMAZING!!!" and anyone that disagrees is being a ridiculous technophobic blowhard and most likely a car using hypocrite. Did you know that Automobiles only account for about half of the worlds petroleum use each year? The other half is basically everything you interact with on a daily basis... Shampoo, Toothpaste, Film, Ink, Plastics, Synthetic Rubber, Upholstery, Clothing, Boats, Airplanes, Trains etc... so the battles waged for control of the petrol industry happen regardless of cars. As for pollution... historically transportation account for about 28% of damage we do to the atmosphere a number that while high I'd argue it's a bit of a necessary evil for modern life to look anything like it does. Additionally we can expect this figure to continue to get smaller over time as technological advancements promise a cleaner healthier modern world! 🌎🌄🦄🚙🌈🌞👨‍🔬.... 🥳👍

[@leonardofraga5130]

Awesome video. Thank you!

[@ondrej_hrdina]

I don't know why, perhaps because I'm an artist and I spend a lot of time looking at art, but I can still tell every time when art is AI generated. It's just that a human could never achieve the texture, either traditional or digital. There's just this weird quality that all generated art has. Its strokes are impossible to do when using tools by hand, consciously placing each one. Now photorealistic images are a different story, but even there, even the plushies have lighting or lense or texture that just seems off. It is just a matter of time, though.

[@mrmopp9818]

Do you think the next generation of artists will be "ai prompters" instead of painters?

[@ondrej_hrdina]

@@mrmopp9818 I don't think a person who only prompts will be able to get on a level a traditonally trained artist can. Art is not just rendering out a subject. Art is making every choice deliberately from the idea to the execution. And using a random element can be deliberate too. An artist has to be knowledgable in composition, storytelling, lighting, body language and many more aspects to convey an emotion or an idea. And these are skills best trained when actually practiced by hand. One has to get an eye for such things. Yes, there will be a new generation of artist. But only in the means of the chosen medium, that being AI. Traditional artists used to call people painting digitally not real artists, because they were using tools that made the process too easy in their view. The same is happening now that most artists work digitally. AI is just a tool. But in my opinion, the actual skill of artmaking is more than just a good prompt. In time, good prompters will arise and higher skill will be recognized and called art without second thought. Right now though, it's all just too new. For the time being, the best art will be made with the help of AI as a tool used for specific purposes, which is what I have started doing. AI to me best works when used as an iteration and brainstorming tool. I take the good stuff and make it my own. Deliberately.

[@Nikkikkikkiz]

Maybe it is because you look at art generated by the default checkpoints. There are two types of checkpoints files, pickletensor(.ckpt) and stabletensor(.stabletensor). These are also known as models. Real third party people are able to train these models by themselves. Everything is open source. There are even ways to add models into the prompt. It is called lora. You just add or whatever if you got a pushups model trained to create realistic pushups. When two models get combined, it becomes better. Most of the people just use the vanilla models that the big companies gave to everyone. Companies create their own models and sell them as subscriptions. I dont buy subscriptions. I just do it on my own computer. There is also negative prompts. A lot of things that many people dont know about.

[@maeregsahilu9252]

3:00 most concise and understandable explanation of stable diffusion I've heard so far.

[@dennismakesgames]

Great video Jonas. It's exciting times but also scary in some ways. I really think AI as a tool can really help developers and creative with creating, hopefully it will make it easier and better product, lets see :)

[@rosk1]

One if the best videos I have seen on this topic. I feel more enlightened and hopeful for the future of creativity. I see creativity as inherently human. We will always be a creative species! Human art basically needs to connect with other humans, rather than just look cool.

[@juanpablocardoso152]

Hi Jonas, thanks for the work you put into this documentary.

[@JonasTyroller]

Was a pleasure.

[@dreamisover9813]

I didn't expect this video on your channel, but it is such an important topic and I am looking forward to watching all the way through.

[@camgreen5853]

Speechless watching this. Hats off to you human Jonas

[@JonasTyroller]

Happy you enjoy it.

[@FredPauling]

1:35 long and it felt like ten. This video felt like a seven course gourmet meal that nailed every course. It touches on so many deep questions and insights, and never wavered from balance, honesty, humility, awe and wonder. This is the right path to begin the discourse about the profound changes we are just beginning to see and feel. David Shapiro was a gifted choice of guest.

[@Luukskywalker]

I've watched the whole video, I think you did a amazing job.

[@xThelastlordx]

This one is for the algorithm. I never, ever write comments, but this is a great work through of a very important Topic that I would not have expected form an Indie Dev Channel. Love from Germany.

[@JBaptisteMonge]

Before I talk about the video, I have to say this: I think that if all this effort and money to deploy AI so quickly and in such a magnitude had been put in place to eradicate hunger in the world, to improve the general living conditions of people regardless of their country of origin, to find cures for the most serious diseases like cancer, to cure people with neurological disorders, paralysis or to seriously address the problems of climate and species depletion on our planet, I would have applauded and shouted genius telling me that humanity had just taken a big step. But as usual, this is not what motivated the companies in their choice to forcibly implement AI in one of the fields where it was least needed, they were simply attracted by the lure of easier gains. Of course they wouldn't have deployed AI in the medical and research field because it is well known that "curing" pays much more than "healing", and then the creative industry is a field that brings in a lot of money, but is not as well protected as other sectors. Creatives are easily more independent and they don't usually work for the salary or job security for that matter, but simply because they are truly passionate. They are therefore at this level more difficult to control. Of course, not all those who work for the cultural industries are 100% artists, but in general they share the same values, which are rather humanistic values. And even if most of the high level creatives are clearly underpaid compared to other categories of jobs... To get an idea of this, you just have to look at the salary of a programmer versus that of an artist with the same level of talent to quickly see that they do not enjoy the same status in the company and in our society. Nevertheless, the specialized artist is still overpaid in the eyes of producers and financiers. The big entertainment industries have already stripped their creative artists of their intellectual property rights for a long time by using contracts with increasingly abusive terms, depriving the creator within a large group of any paternity. But it seems that this was not enough for them and that they still want more and more by trying to take over the rights of the creators who do not even work directly or indirectly for them. Of course, at some point they will have to get their act together, if they don't want chaos to ensue between them and the impossibility to protect their rights on their products. However, I am sure that when the time comes, they will all easily find a common ground that will be very profitable for all of them, but that this agreement will be made at the expense of the creators and this time of the creators of all horizons... So yes, this video has a clear, interesting and quite coherent speech. Some of the arguments presented are even really sensible, but it remains very much in favor of The Machine... and does not, in my opinion, put enough emphasis on all the useless or even dangerous sides of AI as it is now proposed to us. This video is well shot and the effort is nevertheless deserving. That's why I wanted to share the link with you, leaving you free to make your own idea. Of course, you have to know how to read between the lines when watching it. This technology is currently available to everyone, with the idea of saturating the market and making a whole part of the creative body disappear and reshape it into something that corresponds much better to the expectations of the modern business world. That's why even if I find this video interesting I still find it too much focus on the so-called "benefits" of this machine, while for my part it simply doesn't have any, there are already some interesting algorithms in photoshop, but they don't do and by far all the work for us. I also regret that in this video the creative process is only seen through the prism of the future user of this KM image generating machine and never from the point of view of a creative who is not more or less an AI pro and that every time we talk about the role of the machine, we represent it as being the main "tool" that will make any artist a potential art director. Here, I allow myself to have serious doubts... First of all, let's be a bit realistic, a good art director is not simply or necessarily a good artist graphically speaking. What defines a good AD is rather his ability to understand and communicate with his team, to see the best agreements within this same team and to keep a coherent vision of the project while being innovative and making the best possible choices. I think you will agree that AI is of little use in these different roles. At most it can, in the right hands, improve the speed of production, but in no way replace the creativity of the group, nor even, I sincerely believe, improve it, because a good drawing never necessarily makes a good idea. And an excess of images can just as well completely ruin a production by making the choices difficult or even impossible to make. Besides, improving the production speed is only of interest to the producer and we all know why, but it is always to the detriment of the project and the people who take part in it, and that won't change. But the fact that this machine is in any case considered, a priori and without any questioning in this video, as definitively and without appeal, better than the artist himself is a real insult to our intelligence and to our profession. As for presenting it as a real necessity in this field, it is in my opinion a real idiocy. It is nothing of the sort. It just comes to unbalance completely and much too quickly a milieu which did not need it at all, whereas this milieu would have deserved rather a complete revalorization of the status of the artist and a true recognition of his potential and his contribution in all the cultural and related fields, which need him. The artist, even the one who works for the industry in the creative fields, is always considered as a lambda worker who, as in all the circles or almost, has and must have a career plan... But we are actually quite different. I don't want to say that there are no such people among artists, that would be silly and also completely wrong, but it is much less present than in most other professions. The artist, whoever he may be, is more interested in art and in his own production than in anything else around him. There are people among us who are less concerned, who just want a good salary and a little security in their job, and of course we also have in our ranks, rats, vultures, sharks and long-toothed wolves, as everywhere else, arrivistes and upstarts from all walks of life, but they are very far from being in the majority and they are rarely unanimous. From the artist's point of view, the contribution of personal work is important and we do not calculate success only in profits and marketable benefits, because our community knows how to make the difference and recognize the contribution of an artist and his work within our own culture. In general, artists among themselves do not value success that are only based on power and money. Having a career plan might even appear to be the exact opposite of the choice of path and the state of mind that defines an artist. Of course we all want to work in a field that corresponds to us and to be finally recognized and loved by an audience, but a true artist's soul will first and foremost make this journey for himself and for what he considers his art and not only to suit the expectations of an audience. AI offers the opposite of all this, it is too commercial in nature and manner at the moment, and as I said before, it was not deployed here for sound reasons, but for a highly lucrative purpose. It is something that can be dangerous and promotes values that run counter to good practice, honesty, and decency, values that our society has taken centuries to establish and reinforce. The companies that set up "AI" and promote it so vigorously and brutally do not think about, or care in their plans about, artists and their future. They just want to use our creations and creativity to make a lot of profit and we, the visual artists, are the first ones to go under the AI wheels. Unfortunately, the evolution is very fast, this machine is an insatiable ogre that devours everything in its path. Its companies touting the machine know how to manipulate groups well and more importantly, they know how to divide them and profit from it. So to get back to this video, it doesn't focus enough, in my opinion, on all the evils that follow the machine too closely. It's well shot, well presented, but it seriously lacks a strong counter-power, a voice that would make the voices of aggrieved artists clearly heard, and a real look at the future of creativity. The author also makes, without showing it too much, a little too clearly the apology of this technology, even if it presses from time to time a little on its harmful effects, but in the end it is always the machine which wins... I would have liked to clearly hear that it is still, also, possible in our medium and that of the arts in general to do without the machine. To be completely frank, fair and honest, it seems to me that it should be in the order of things to talk first about what these societies have done to the rights of artists. We need to fix this REAL problem first before we can move forward. We must now, without further delay, completely reorganize, and why not reinvent new rights, to protect CREATION from overly invasive technologies such as AI, which would like, for the benefit of financial groups, to replace human creativity from all walks of life. So if Jonas Tyroller want to do a new video, more turn in this way I will share it with a real pleasure...

[@therollerlollerman]

It’s not gonna be that bad (for the human creative industry as a whole at least). Losing a monopoly you confidently held onto for millennia to machines is a very old tale since the first Industrial Revolution but the main protection you need is not from AI but from richer, more talented, more flexible creatives. As your your personal skill being a measure of value and worth that demands revalorization, that’s a very subjective issue that will never have public consensus. Maybe people will just have to find personal joy in doing most things without worrying about payment or recognition for it when the entirety of automation comes along like we already do with sports or playing games

[@JBaptisteMonge]

​ @Nam Trinh I am not sure that you understand something in the process of creativity, because it nothing to do with sport or playing games! And when you speak about a monopole that we lost... The machine is not creating anything just by itself, so what is your point here ? If all is made by a machine what will you do and in what sort of things will you be able to rise your mind?

[@joshgarnocomputergraphics8318]

This is the best description of AI. This video is even better than the actual creators of AI trying to explain what they built. Very good job.

[@SacredVStudio]

Really great documentary on all their is to know about A.I and its impact on the art world. Can't imagine how much work you put into this video, Thanks so much for your work Jonas!

[@jcoder12]

As a roblox game dev roblox recently announced adding AI tools so that people with no experience can make a game and that’s great but the problem is if everyone’s good at making a game nobody’s good at making one imagine all the developers with respect just lose all of it because everyone can do what they can.

[@exaltedchipz8726]

I've been consuming videos like these for awhile and all I really have to say is that this definitely needs to be regulated or else it might get too out of hand. It's inevitable that this will affect the industry and other fields, which is why I think it will be more important from now on to make artists' voices and style stand out and be personal with them. To defend their work even more so than ever now. Maybe it will get to the point where anyone (and mind you it has never gatekept anyone) can become an artist, but there will always be a value to things made by a person, and enjoy the process of doing said things. Aimbots and wallhacks are still a thing in video games, but people will always enjoy seeing a competitive play between players using their skills alone. And it isn't to say that we should COMPLETELY abandon A.I. altogether. I myself do enjoy some stuff created by A.I., like the donald trump and biden videos and whatnot (I'm sure those will get old fast though). Calculators are super useful and the upscale A.I. is super handy. I think the sweet spot will definitely be human+A.I. collaboration. I will be incredibly sadden if it's just all automated. It is scary to see it threaten SO MANY jobs, but Im sure this isn't anything new. New advancements have always threaten something that challenges the past. I really do hope everyone who is affected by this turns out alright. This has also made me realize how other industries were affected by automation in ways I had not realized like farmers and such. I will always draw, its something I enjoy and constantly hone my craft. I do hope in a way this just enhances the creation but does not out right replaces it. Not sure what will happen, but I'm just gonna keep doing my thing and hope for the best, while keeping what I hold dear to me close. Sorry for the ramble, but I thought I would put something out there so I can stop watching these videos xD. Y'all have a good one.

[@Danuxsy]

I disagree, the only purpose of our civilization is to reach post-scarcity and that is not possible if you rely on apes like ourselves. There is no greater purpose than building these machines to do everything and anything at a whim. Your stance is fundamentally elitist and does nothing more than limit the freedom of the large majority of the worlds population by restricting technology like generative models.

[@Just_strawberry_eating_turtle]

I dont know if this video has made me less or more worried but it has given me hope and i am thankful for that

[@LeoGang89]

The thing is that you still have to be an artist, and not just an artist but a really good one to effectively use ai to it's fullest potential. Photographers are having a blast typing in the aperture, lens, lighting style etc.

[@BowOneFire]

Nice work, this is the most unbiased evaluation of AI I could find!

[@arknark]

This is not what I would have expected from your channel. Here we go! Edit: You have a way of holding my interest in your videos, and that proved true in this longer video as well. If I had it my way, there would have been less background music (like maybe some music only in certain parts), but it was still good nonetheless. Also, I learned a bunch of things I didn't know! Truly valuable information to me, thank you Jonas :)

[@jonasdavid1536]

I love the clean-up tools, the ordering and searching, the personal assistant ... but then there are flip sides. My perspective as a screenwriter and filmmaker: I have to make clear that everyone who is making something from a point of mastery probably feels that to a certain degree, their efforts have been made meaningless in retrospect. Creating a stunning experience to share with people was the goal for many of us - and this now no longer requires the sacrifice we made for all these years. My concern as a filmmaker is that films are going to go away as we know them for 95ish percent: Who funds a 50 million Dollar effort if you can do it with 5 ppl, 15.000€ and some AI tools? Not with an AI concept trailer anyways which - depressingly - is probably going to be just about as good as the final 50 million-dollar project. Who is going to get to create these AAA things where they still get to feel like they are part of something enormous? Where they get to step on set and think: Wow, all of this is really happening, ey? The costumes, the helicopter, the fake moon we built and these incredible, live, human performances from these talented artists who might soon disappear because it was already hard enough to make it as an actor ... Another thing: I have been working on building a bigger company and we do films, games, and graphic novels in the same universe: Let me tell you: Doing revisions is not the same thing as creating something. The process of creating is much more rewarding - but these tools will just get better until you have to deliberately put hurdles in your place - which is very uneconomical. So you will art direct but never actually create. Instead, you will get to curate and forget what it actually meant, to speak to that ancient part within yourself - whatever it may be. It is difficult to get good at something and follow this creative process that you have to pour decades of your life into to master without any possibility of monetization in the end - not before the post-money economy. Also: Renegotiating the contract of wealth distribution? Yeah - that has always gone well in history. People always agreed on that so well - but maybe this time it's different because ...?

[@dondecaire6534]

Just shared this, it's too good not to. Thank you to you and all who contributed.

[@johnmp8842]

This was one of the best documentaries I have ever watched and I would like to see more. Thank you!