The irony of the crunch at CDPR is that the game is all about suits exploiting the average people and how we should rebel against it
@ajaxmaxbitch Жыл бұрын
What's also ironic is during the time the crunch was happening, the ceo or whatever said they don't have crunch anymore basically
@felipecouto1102 Жыл бұрын
Only in capitalism you can exploit people to make work that's supposed to upend it.
@Kage-jk4pj Жыл бұрын
Interestingly enough, this exact scenario is repeating itself with ZOM 100 anime.
@felipecouto1102 Жыл бұрын
@@Kage-jk4pj Thought the same when I saw it. Capitalism can twist anything
@chancecarr3000 Жыл бұрын
I'm missing the irony
@Zalinki4 жыл бұрын
I like how Marty is now just another little character in the wacky Noodleverse
@chubste4 жыл бұрын
Hello papi
@rubenssilveira57654 жыл бұрын
Hello papa
@oddrottenmilk15874 жыл бұрын
Hello dad
@chubste4 жыл бұрын
When are you coming back with milk
@isaacgsly4 жыл бұрын
Hello dada
@C4184 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. Talking about it matters.
@theultimatebagelmaster4 жыл бұрын
Did you have to deal with crunch during the development/updates of Minecraft?
@fruitsnackbandit49874 жыл бұрын
Hello c418
@victor_.4 жыл бұрын
I love your music!
@PaulSSalazar4 жыл бұрын
Same, I'm not even a game developer but is very relatable to me. Right now I am working for Amazon and there is just too much work that wants to be done.
@otavio304 жыл бұрын
Hello funny Minecraft music man But in all seriousness, i agree with you, if we don't talk about problems like crunch and workplace abuse then it won't ever stop
@JBX073 жыл бұрын
The only crunch culture I like is in my breakfast cereal.
@sunso19913 жыл бұрын
what about nachos? and hard shell taco?
@Lurch4563 жыл бұрын
i like crunchy kit Kats :)
@thatguy23773 жыл бұрын
Screw Nestle tho
@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear3 жыл бұрын
Well, crunch is owned by nestlé, which doesn't care about killing children. A 2018 report found that they promote their powder milk to replace breast milk in certain countries, but breast milk helps babies build their immune system; you should understand where the problem is. When they first started doing it in Africa (in the 80s? 60s? I don't remember) they even gave free samples lasting just long enough that the mother stop producing her own milk, so that they would have no choice but to buy artificial milk. Such practices were internationally banned (at least in theory), but i guess nestlé is going to toe the line as much as it can.
@nullsnaggle51983 жыл бұрын
Uh greed
@_peachjam_2 жыл бұрын
"There's nothing like a good foie gras" is so cartoonishly fucking evil I almost can't believe a real human being said that
@majorghoul90172 жыл бұрын
It was said by an Activision Exec, so it makes sense and is even more disgusting
@Data-Expungeded Жыл бұрын
its like the kick the dog moment in a cartoon to show how evil this next villain is.
@FrostGlader Жыл бұрын
@@Data-Expungeded Dio Brando moment.
@crunchybro123 Жыл бұрын
@@FrostGladerit’s literally just duck liver I don’t get it why is everyone saying it’s evil
@FrostGlader Жыл бұрын
@@crunchybro123 did you not watch the video? The “Goose” is a metaphor for the developers. The Activision Executive basically said they’re willing to cook that Goose.
@ChrisRayGun4 жыл бұрын
End bit with Marty is so good.
@Scooter_Alice4 жыл бұрын
Chris Ray Gun Noodle collab when?
@alexc63904 жыл бұрын
Yo, hey Chris. Have a nice whatever.
@divertingcreations9364 жыл бұрын
you and noodle need to have a rematch
@Junkyardproduxtions4 жыл бұрын
I knew that clip was going to be important when he said it.
@NotKameron4 жыл бұрын
I wanted to see him take a fucking 12 gauge shotgun and blow down the door and take his goose back
@OperatorDrewski4 жыл бұрын
Bruh marty ain't playin with that bat
@jasper10644 жыл бұрын
oh shit hi drewski
@GruntyGame4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he should probably just give him back the goose.
@gavinpennycuff44074 жыл бұрын
*insert big smoke meme here*
@rosettastoned4254 жыл бұрын
Hello there
@Stealthy_tree4 жыл бұрын
Ay isn’t this that dude from the scp overlord video
@DrGandW3 жыл бұрын
“Sometimes, there’s nothing like a good foie gras.” -A guy who knows he’s a real life villain and loves it
@simonwesterlund21513 жыл бұрын
Almost like he knew what he meant and deliberately destroyed the whole conversation, what a guy.
@massivejuicer16353 жыл бұрын
This comment both has me cackling and in fear cause of how accurate it is
@benedict69623 жыл бұрын
I didn't think I was going to hear anything new from this video. Then I heard that line.
@bluelandyaandgreenlandya17883 жыл бұрын
That sounded like a genuinely good villain line, he should get an acting job
@Courier6FNV3 жыл бұрын
And of course he was an Activision dev
@ericfelds62912 жыл бұрын
I no joke had a psychotic episode due to crunch. I was taking adderall to keep my brain alive after virtually no sleep for a week, then my perception of reality completely warped and I erroneously assumed my roomate/ best friend was planning to kill me so I attacked him and spent 3 days in the psych ward. Thank God my friend understood and didnt press charges. Crunch isn't some back ache, or mild inconvenience, it absolutely devastates your sense of wellbeing and for what purpose? For leisurely golfing executives to make more moola. They view their workers, people, as instruments in a plan who exist only to help fatten their wallet.
@unuks97312 жыл бұрын
What kind of job do you have
@ericfelds62912 жыл бұрын
@@unuks9731 during graduate school I worked as an acute intern therapist at a psych work
@fangthrob2 жыл бұрын
Dude, I've been thru psychosis, it's fucking hell
@ineedabetterusername4803 Жыл бұрын
Holy shit that must have been terrifying. Sleep deprivation and psychosis is the fucking worst. I'm glad your friend didn't press any charges
@mr_blank4413 Жыл бұрын
You good and talented people do not and will never deserve the shit they put you through. Know that.
@sweetpeabee49834 жыл бұрын
"You can't be creative if you're dead...Stay alive and stay healthy." That shit's so easy to forget but so important. Needed the reminder -- thanks.
@omiorahman62834 жыл бұрын
Yes
@moss53563 жыл бұрын
hey I’m gonna keep the goose
@crimsonlanceman78823 жыл бұрын
High level companies' individuals are ignorant pieces of shit that think economy runs on fairy dust and artists are ammunition that they can pack into their shotgun, shoot at the wall of expansion and then just go find more bullets.
@burgerboy_203 жыл бұрын
@@waxcutter9813 game designing
@yoshimallow Жыл бұрын
@@moss5356 It's not yours! GIVE ME MY GOOSE BA~
@SrPelo4 жыл бұрын
I like that Marty character and his Goose. But yeeeh, crunch is horrible, I've been having crunch time for some animations and it's horrible, even more cuz it's personal work and makes me feel bad if I get it late. Latetly I understood that if it's gonna be late then just work at your own time. Sometimes passion can give you that fun crunch, but it's not healthy trying to do it all the time, resting is good to recharge and keep doing it, or just taking it slowly.
@snomvish4 жыл бұрын
It's both super depressing and really strange to see you crunching on your nonsensical videos that only last a few minutes, more depressing than strange, obviously
@aidanniblock61864 жыл бұрын
It's ok if your toons go out a bit late. I mean spooky month and ccccccchhhhhhhrrrrrrriiiiiiissssssmmmmmasss only comes once a year, so you got a full year to make it.
@doyouknowdawae66604 жыл бұрын
Yeah i remember how much people demanded underpants genocide path i cant imagine the stress
@snomvish4 жыл бұрын
@@doyouknowdawae6660 I wasn’t there for that and I still know it was stupid, it’s a twisted and depressing irony that people sent death threats for him to make a video on undertale’s genocide route
@Ray.64064 жыл бұрын
Estoy seguro de que todos entenderán si te tardas uno o dos días. No es necesario forzarte ni hacer crunch
@muddashucka97432 жыл бұрын
"No one's got a gun to their head" No, they're just threatening to cut their workers off from food, power, water, and housing.
@parencolonthree2 жыл бұрын
So they have a gun to their head but it kills them slowly
@audiosurfarchive2 жыл бұрын
Tooootally not threatening at all; the fuck you mean? /s
@muddashucka97432 жыл бұрын
@@parencolonthree yes
@theolympiyn8670 Жыл бұрын
It’s not a fun it’s a poison dart
@Slacked2196 Жыл бұрын
exactly. at least if you had a gun to my head and i refused your demands, my troubles would be over the moment you pulled that trigger. this is worse than a gun to your head.
@abot40294 жыл бұрын
I'm in the US Navy and I thought it was pretty weird how familiar this all sounded, until you said "stress casualty." Then I laughed.
@xanderpostelwait23474 жыл бұрын
HOBBES? THE ARMY? WHY?
@abot40294 жыл бұрын
@@xanderpostelwait2347 Calvin can't keep a job
@robertwebb64874 жыл бұрын
Lol also in the US Navy and I was looking for this comment. SSN 775 says hello
@blakdayy4 жыл бұрын
Hobbes... man that’s a nostalgia trip
@jedispartancoolman4 жыл бұрын
Also a navy lad a bit ago. Crunch defs was just the norm and it actually changed me as a person for the worse end of things. depressed and have no drive to do anything these days. Not even stuff I like to do
@krombopulos_michael4 жыл бұрын
The problem with "passion crunch" that people take on themselves is that it still changes the culture. Now anyone else who wants to work and succeed at the company will be expected to work to the same level, regardless of the effect it has on their work-life balance or mental health. It's the job of regulations and management to make them stop. Like, it's the same with performance enhancing drugs in sports. Sure, some, maybe even most athletes would take them to improve their performance if they were allowed. But if you just allow them, you're basically putting everyone who isn't willing to potentially harm themselves at a disadvantage. Even if it's not written down as mandatory, it's effectively mandatory for anyone who wants to succeed.
@alexc60883 жыл бұрын
Passion crunch is how we get employers to bully the shit out of you for all you are worth combined with depressing wages in compensation. People need to wake the fuck up and realize that work isn't the be all end all of life. FFS I see this stuff in education and especially my students, they are so buried into their work that they actually brag about how much work they are doing and it's demoralizing. Not to mention the abnormal hours I see some of my co-teachers put in and I'm just like, why? They're just abusing your generosity to afford to not pay you anything back in compensation. Then you see how capitalism fits into this and you hate it, even more, you are passionate about what you do, employers abuse that and take your passion for granted, don't pay their workers what they are actually worth and the cycle perpetuates. After all, if you're in charge of all of your employee's wages, why pay them extra when they'll still do the work anyway? Might as well use their passion and grind it into the dirt for all they're worth.
@sourwasabi52293 жыл бұрын
Yeah if management is not great then the second 1 person does it everyone else is expected to even if there isnt a gun to their head
@Deadbeatcow3 жыл бұрын
haha damn that's crazy good luck with that
@thatguy95793 жыл бұрын
Had a manger who saw me working harder than the rest of my coworkers. She tried to mandate my level of work ethic to everyone else. I told her that if she tried that shit I was gonna leave, needless to say she removed the mandate. It’s sad that it doesn’t always happen that way though, with people becoming more and more stressed as their coworkers turn against them because corporate or the manager decided that everyone should be able to work at the fastest pace possible. This work culture that has cultivated over a few decades is becoming increasingly unfair not only to those who are currently employed, but also, those who need to find a new employer. It took me over a YEAR to find a job out of high school that didn’t let me go within the first month because I wasn’t able to keep up with highly unrealistic expectations and even now my current job doesn’t even give me enough hours so I can earn enough money to live off of.
@davecullins16063 жыл бұрын
I bet Japanese death-by-overwork culture had that origin as well.
@luissegura70594 жыл бұрын
I'm calling you "funny cartoon man" from now onwards
@fullchomp4 жыл бұрын
ill just stick wiht cartoon man
@Sebastian-uq8xu4 жыл бұрын
we
@KIMCHlN4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to remember your comment and look forward to your comments in the future
@shargons284 жыл бұрын
@@Sebastian-uq8xu Comrade?
@bootstrapparadox86564 жыл бұрын
I got the privilege of getting the like number to 1k
@MetalDEmpire4 жыл бұрын
BRUH. CRUNCH WAS TAUGHT AS PART OF THE VIDEO GAME DEGREE PROGRAM AT MY COLLEGE.
@jackl75664 жыл бұрын
thats fucking scary
@hemangchauhan28644 жыл бұрын
Can you elaborate?
@wanderingrandomer4 жыл бұрын
I did Game Dev at uni, and crunch was kind of just taken as part of the industry. There was no real pushback to the idea, the lecturers just dismissed any serious discussion of it as a necessary evil, paying lip service to the idea of "crunch bad". Very demoralising for a student.
@MetalDEmpire4 жыл бұрын
@@wanderingrandomer This one speaks for me.
@griflet14 жыл бұрын
@@MetalDEmpire seems like game dev education is way too market focused
@TheMartyODonnell4 жыл бұрын
Wow, I was forced to crunch to be in Noodle's video. He's a slave driver. (Added later) Ok, I’ve read enough comments that discuss my bad mic or recording. Not true. Julian actually did some cool sound design and post processing to make it sound real. Is that hard to believe?
@platysheep70924 жыл бұрын
Hey check this out. Noodle got this cool pet goose. It's pretty cute.
@fabianch36574 жыл бұрын
Love seeing you round here Marty!.
@AccurateBurn4 жыл бұрын
OMG
@TheJonesChannel114 жыл бұрын
Did you get your goose back?
@thedoom5234 жыл бұрын
Marty is the type of guy to always have a witty comment to break the tension.
@malohn20683 жыл бұрын
Crunch is like squeezing a rock to get water, you could technically do it and get a drop of water trapped inside. But you're left with rock powder afterwards. And then you complain that there's only a single drop of water inside the rock.
@hakametal3 жыл бұрын
Sunk cost fallacy.
@flame73463 жыл бұрын
i would imagine you hands would also hurt from squeezing a rock
@badv1b3s513 жыл бұрын
@@flame7346 yeah just a tiny tad
@Shorty15c40072 жыл бұрын
@@TaronArts Its not about effectiveness, its about reputation and quality. You want to buy a car made in Japan or Indonesia? Yeah it sounds racist to say but no one is going to bat an eye to assume the one made in Japan is of better quality.
@squidy90782 жыл бұрын
just because you run your comment through a spellchecker doesn't make you a genius The furrys comment makes 0 sense to me tho
@mr_blank4413 Жыл бұрын
I am disgusted by the fact that 2 years later this video still gets commenters trying to either make crunch not seem like a big deal or not needing to be addressed at all. apparently just the idea of 100 hours a week for 3 months AND NO OVERTIME PAY isn't enough to make people thing "wow, that's bad".
@majorghoul90173 жыл бұрын
This is why it always makes me really happy when fans of a game are like "Take all the time you need, you're doing great! :)" to the devs
@gaetanodepaola2ndchannel1793 жыл бұрын
This. I want more of this. Death threats aren't gonna fix anything, like honestly, how fucking hard is it to just be patient and instead encourage the devs to seek their own creative image of their own creative work in freedom (as it *should* be, because it's *their* product), rather than force them to crunch out a half-assed game just so the so-called """fans""" can stop blowing up their Twitter feed with death threats and psychological torture? That should just be human decency, honestly.
@hyjinx18893 жыл бұрын
@@gaetanodepaola2ndchannel179 agreed
@No.000003 жыл бұрын
@@hyjinx1889 agreed +
@vishnutheetharappan70743 жыл бұрын
The best thing about cyberpunk is that i see this all the time now, people asking for gta VI and god of war ragnarok have disappeared, and devs are listening (halo infinite)
@francisharkins3 жыл бұрын
To bad alot of it isn't up to the devs or the fans/consumers and the executives and shareholders.... :/
@birchbarks5503 жыл бұрын
The only animator for a whole season D: Jesus fucking christ
@phoenixnight92373 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the series is? It took me 2 hours to make a 1 second hand animation.
@nooneinparticular33703 жыл бұрын
How does that even fucking work.
@sherochafernando63463 жыл бұрын
There's this old anime called Twinkle Nora Rock Me. "When you fire all the animators"
@highdefinition4503 жыл бұрын
@@phoenixnight9237 On ones or on twos?
@wilcowhiteheart8073 жыл бұрын
@@phoenixnight9237 Im not good at 2D stuff, so I wont say anything there, but I can do... about 30 secs of 3D animation in... 4-5 hours. And thats just like a gun showreel style animation
@looshbits98243 жыл бұрын
I really need to think more about how I react to postponed deadlines in games.
@WARSinRIOTS3 жыл бұрын
In the last year or so I've oddly gotten more excited when I've heard of delays or postponements. My prime example is Infinite. I was telling friends after that initial reveal that if 343 wanted to do the right thing, it would be to delay the game and take their time. Then, they actually did it. I was so happy that more time and thought was being put into the game other than "we gotta get this out!"
@babytricep4373 жыл бұрын
@@WARSinRIOTS still, they should release a thing on time if they say they’re gonna, delaying games isnt good and let’s them know they can delay and make as much hype as they want, even if the game is a complete garbage heap mess. Ala Cyberpunk
@louna50983 жыл бұрын
@@babytricep437 did you watch the video mate? I'd rather the devs not die and they just postpone the game
@Siike_3 жыл бұрын
@@babytricep437 i think you would be angrier to get a game that IS a hot pile of mess and garbage, and buggy as initial release cyberpunk was, than waiting so long upon multiple delays but actually get a fantastic game which came out almost flawlessly. Cyberpunk had an issue due to how the hype building up to it was so overwhelming that it was almost impossible to delay it further, or the community would go berserk. Such a task like game development is one which is by no means consistent and easy to guess how long it will take. Its an unpredictable and grevious process, so its hard to blame them if calculating when they are precisely done is humanely imposdible.
@Allustar3 жыл бұрын
Everyone does. Sending death threats to people just isn’t okay.
@amoeb.a Жыл бұрын
i wonder how many death threats team cherry has got for silksong never really thought about that
@thecluckster3908 Жыл бұрын
Oh shoot hope not many.
@mrglick5050 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure most of the HK community understand and appreciate the time team cherry is putting into silksong.
@RPGgrenade Жыл бұрын
probably far more than you can imagine. I honestly hope they're taking their time and NOT crunching on it.
@ConsarnitTokkori Жыл бұрын
@@RPGgrenadei know i saw someone threatening to "spray water on the team's pillows" if they rushed it which is fair enough, i wouldn't want my pillows to be moist :(
@Soy__Boi Жыл бұрын
People are encouraging TC to take their time, and make sure the final product is great. TC themselves told a random fan at a convention that they are not crunching, and are trying to release something good over something quick
@GremlinOfYore4 жыл бұрын
The bit with having Marty outside the window was hilarious, I've gotta say. And great sound design! For a company with a really good culture when it comes to this stuff, I'd put forward Wube, the devs of Factorio. Obviously most indie games will not achieve their level of success - they had the freedom to put good practices in place because they had the financial stability to do so, right? But regardless, they still were very careful about giving their employees the time they needed to not only complete Factorio within their deadlines, but also give them plenty of time away from the game to recharge.
@kawaiicrocodile14764 жыл бұрын
And it’s a very fun game to boot!
@autismspirit4 жыл бұрын
@@kawaiicrocodile1476 almost like happy devs with basically no deadlines make better games
@Ooffoop4 жыл бұрын
Ironic that Factorio is the game that let people sleep
@TheAVJ24 жыл бұрын
heart machine took time for hyper light drifter and only had to update the game to add more weapons they were thinking about
@TheAVJ24 жыл бұрын
@Amoe Moth i think of the chocolate
@wawawuu15143 жыл бұрын
"People don't wanna actually kill the goose." After the foie gras metaphor, I'm not so sure anymore.
@this_is_patrick3 жыл бұрын
Nah, the exec implied that they don't _want_ to kill the goose, but if it dies, they could still get the foie gras from it anyway, so who cares? Not to mention they can easily buy another one to replace it.
@emPtysp4ce3 жыл бұрын
@@this_is_patrick You make foie gras by months of preparation force feeding the goose beyond its normal limits. If you're eating foie gras, you know it well in advance. The exec is definitely implying they'll gladly work the goose to death and strip it for parts before moving onto the next goose. They know they're killing it, they just want to sometimes.
@thewerdna3 жыл бұрын
While Marty never named names, I can only assume the exec in the story was the devil himself, Bobby Kotick. Seems 100% in character for him
@wawawuu15143 жыл бұрын
@@thewerdna "In another incident, Kotick has stated during the 2009 Deutsche Bank Securities Technology Conference that "The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games." Kotick continued to say that they "have been able to instill the culture, the skepticism and pessimism and fear that you should have in an economy like we are in today. And so, while generally people talk about the recession, we are pretty good at keeping people focused on the deep depression."[52][53][54][55] Following the backlash on the statement, Kotick has commented that "Sometimes that commitment to excellence, well, you can come across as being like a dick. And when I say things like 'taking the fun out of making video games,' it was a line that has been often-quoted lately, but it was a line I used for investors."[56]" Source Wikipedia. HOLY SHIT. I had to read that thrice to make sure I didn't misunderstand this. Wow. I'm absolutely against torture, but I find it difficult to argue against force-feeding this person with foie gras until he dies (even if it's not the same person, who cares, deserves it anyways). Oh btw, he voted for Hillary, this just for all the people who think she's the lesser-evil alternative.
@adamnielson422 жыл бұрын
@@wawawuu1514 bruh don't bring politics into this. I don't care who one bad person voted for. The KKK supported Donald Trump, and that doesn't instantly make him more evil than any other.
@simonwesterlund21513 жыл бұрын
”Nothing like a good foie gras.” - The Devil probably.
@swift_sam3 жыл бұрын
So, Bobby Kotick then
@aprilraine88893 жыл бұрын
It does taste really fucking good though... way less fucked up when it’s a farming goose rather than a human.
@runforitman3 жыл бұрын
yes, EA
@zzxp13 жыл бұрын
But that shit is hella good, the only thing that keeps me from eating it is that the procedure of how the make it is kind of f up.
@Cheshieruu3 жыл бұрын
-hannibal
@NameName2.02 жыл бұрын
Can we all focus for a second how actually horrifying and villanesque "there's nothing like a good foie gras" is? Like, holy shit, that's an actual villain line. LITERALLY a villain line.
@cryptidkoi84182 жыл бұрын
Felt like I was watching a disney movie for a second
@dorotrusty7872 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I even took notes.
@mollusckscramp41242 жыл бұрын
Activision amirite
@tacopizzasandwich621 Жыл бұрын
Never knew that lex luthor worked as an EA executive
@AVdE10000 Жыл бұрын
I feel like companies purposefully hire sociopaths as their higher ups who manage the work force. You "have to" in order to make this crunch culture we're in possible. No reasonable human being is able to force that on such a massive scale
@SilliS4 жыл бұрын
You gained a new subscriber for that ad break alone
@CigaretteCrayon4 жыл бұрын
I really wish I didn't know that much about you...
@joshhiroti4 жыл бұрын
Me too
@jesflo44 жыл бұрын
It was beautiful.
@painted_aim5734 жыл бұрын
same
@deku9763 жыл бұрын
Ei voi olla... Sillis
@annef0x3 жыл бұрын
In Asia, this thing is so so much worse. There is this weird romanticization of putting yourself through literal hell just for the sake of a few grades. Ive seen many of my classmates literally collapse out of exhaustion after exams
@derboe_thebeast68693 жыл бұрын
Ikr , ive heard people rather die than continue
@sanujakhanal87453 жыл бұрын
Yeah my mom told me about this, in Nepal she lost many friends and family by the end of school.
@papasscooperiaworker36493 жыл бұрын
@@derboe_thebeast6869 That's not surprising.
@sonetagu13373 жыл бұрын
@@sanujakhanal8745 _we died idk_
@iseeyou94883 жыл бұрын
Ugly pfp
@tytantin14423 жыл бұрын
One huge red flag of an abusive workplace culture is if the bosses refer to your coworkers and themselves as family. If it feels like a family then it doesn’t need to be said, otherwise it’s a guilt trip to take shit.
@anonmouse152 жыл бұрын
To be fair, people also abuse / kill their literal families.
@UrMom-bp2bu2 жыл бұрын
Where’s my mom in this office
@huyle-ob8rg2 жыл бұрын
@@UrMom-bp2bu You get Asian mom instead. If you're not a doctor, you'll get disowned.
@KäptnKrückschwank2 жыл бұрын
@InforaLoopermuscle man, that you?
@danitiwa2 жыл бұрын
Tbh every abusive work environment I’ve ever been in has had the cult leader of choice referring to participants as “family 🤮 huge red flag
@chriscobb2 жыл бұрын
The "If I take time off the workload would fall onto other people and no one wants to be that guy" quote was too real
@idontevenknow92112 жыл бұрын
“Sometimes, there’s nothing like a good foie gras” in context sounds like a line a super villain says to make you realize how fucked up they are. Gave me shivers
@Sean-Ax2 жыл бұрын
I probably would've shot the guy right then and there or at least threatened.
@DuchDude2 жыл бұрын
I've returned to this video multiple times and I'm still deeply descasted and disturbed about his line, it is really fucked up and, mostly because the goose here is a human being, sounds like *actual cannibalism*
@harrietjameson2 жыл бұрын
rich people and their ignorance amiright
@tecno56952 жыл бұрын
Ah yes I too love the cooked kidneys of my severely overworked employees
@ThePlasmicAlchemist2 жыл бұрын
Actual psychopath
@aldguton3 жыл бұрын
I legitimately shivered at "there's nothing better than a good foie gras'" The implications of that are so absolutely horrific
@scoobin3363 жыл бұрын
THID
@scoobin3363 жыл бұрын
*THIS
@bassfight29363 жыл бұрын
That's legit fucking evil.
@iTzNikkitty3 жыл бұрын
Executives are actual fucking psychopaths, seriously.
@nicolasenriquegarciacastil9743 жыл бұрын
I kinda expected it since it was an activision executive
@cee_ves3 жыл бұрын
This is why I respect team cherry so much They have like a million people ready to explode from excitement, really, and I mean _really_ , badly wanting to know when silksong is coming And they’re just like “It’s done when it’s done, now go before I slap you with a slipper”
@zaplepikachu3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, like even though people make memes about being disappointed when the Nintendo Directs don't mention it, we know that we'd rather wait in the darkness and be surprised when it's ready than beating them over the head to get it out asap
@moss53563 жыл бұрын
Exactly 🐛
@waggledance2963 жыл бұрын
God this is perfect
@onyourleft92733 жыл бұрын
They’re like 3 friend so i wouldn’t be surprised if they’re really causal about it
@Xpndable3 жыл бұрын
Done when it's done used to be the norm, see Soon(tm) from Blizzard as the staple of this trope.
@Moonzokast2 жыл бұрын
The fact you actually got marty to be voice act being upset over the goose makes me laugh so hard.
@levilukeskytrekker Жыл бұрын
+.
@StinkySlinky12187 ай бұрын
@@levilukeskytrekker This is valid brainfuck code. It doesn't do anything useful, but it does run.
@cirme94603 жыл бұрын
Mojang be out there delaying one of the biggest updates yet for minecraft to avoid Crunch, deciding to split it in 2 parts and I respect that
@fartbasket923 жыл бұрын
I'm completely fine with it however sort of disappointed with it as well
@theweakestbrazilianmale33983 жыл бұрын
Waiting 6 more months to see bigger caves is definetily better then Mojang working 18th century coal miner hours
@hjj92693 жыл бұрын
@@fartbasket92 You shouldn’t be disappointed, it’s coming, don’t worry.
@badjuju27213 жыл бұрын
I'm Glad they are delaying it, I'd rather have a delayed game then a game made with slave labor
@AqibA.C.3 жыл бұрын
Aw man, as much as it kinda' sucks to hear that, I'm definitely glad they did it to make sure it was done right and avoid the human cost behind it. As great as a game can be and everything it can make and foster within it's subsequent communities, people shouldn't have to sacrifice their whole lives and wellbeing in service of it, just to keep it going.
@patrickharris78234 жыл бұрын
I've been in the industry for over 16 years now, and I've done my fair share of crunch in crunch culture oriented studios. You mentioned how contract workers were overtime exempt? Well, I was an actual full-time employee, but I was also technically overtime exempt. The closest to compensation we'd get was called "Project Days", which were arbitrarily awarded additional vacation days (often kept off the books, you know, in case you tried to quit and cash them out) that our manager would hand out at the end of a project. Did you work 60+ hours a week for months on end? Your compensation would be 4-5 extra days off once the game shipped, or maybe just 2-3 if the producer didn't like you. Thankfully, I now work at a studio where crunch culture is explicitly banned: If a manager or lead implies you are required to work overtime at all, you can go straight to the CEO and he'll sort them out. I've been back to working normal weeks for years, and it's one of the most fantastic boosts to my mental health that I have ever experienced.
@theJ1B1A14 жыл бұрын
Would you happen to know any other companies like this? I am about to jump off into the industry and the crunch culture here in the US is making me think maybe I should work abroad...
@Tavdogg114 жыл бұрын
If I ever ran a video game company in the future, what hours and what days off for the week I should give to the developers and designers to make sure that everyone is doing a-ok? Also, how many days of a break I should give after the game is released to make sure that everyone can return with a freshened drive to create another game? I want to make sure that in the future when I do end up becoming a CEO or a head of a project that I don't overwork anybody, so everyone can have fun making great to good games.
@patrickharris78234 жыл бұрын
@@theJ1B1A1 It's something that very much depends on the company. My advice is that if you are interviewing at a place, ask them directly what the policy is regarding crunch. How is it compensated? How many hours are people working per week right now? How many hours to do they work as a project is wrapping up? Don't just ask managers, ask everyone who interviews you and see if their answers line up. I once interviewed at a place where people were working 60+ hours a week TWO YEARS prior to the launch of the game. I did not take that job.
@patrickharris78234 жыл бұрын
@@Tavdogg11 If your question is "How many hours can I expect my employees to work past a normal work week?" then my honest advice is to shift your perspective or just not run a studio. Planning for crunch is the absolute biggest failure that management can have, and it's guaranteed to burn out your team and produce lackluster products. You should expect developers to work 40 hours a week, just like a normal full-time job, and that's what you use when planning. In terms of breaks between projects, offering a competitive vacation package is the correct way to go. Most companies give 3+ weeks per year, depending on seniority. The main thing is to make sure people can actually take the vacation without being pressured out of it, or called in while on vacation (I have seen this happen first hand, it's insane. People vacationing out of the country and then being told they have to get back to the office, and they schedule earlier flights home, etc. I would quit on the spot if this happened to me.)
@Tavdogg114 жыл бұрын
@@patrickharris7823 Yeah. I am not that knowledgeable on work hours. I am still in college and I haven't learn specifics on jobs yet. I am actually going for creative writing since I am not knowledgeable on work hours and what I should expect for work hours, plus I prefer creation of stuff on my own time rather than being forced on specific hours, so I probably need more training on leadership skills and work hours. However, that does lead me to another question. How many hours should I work on alone when creating works of my own pen? More specifically, as a creative writer trying to work on a novel or at least some short stories? I don't want to overwork myself, but I am unsure on how much effort is too much and how little effort is too little to get anywhere.
@robbieaulia64623 жыл бұрын
Remember, we're not even talking about Japanese crunch culture. Because boy, it made the suicide rate super high.
@burgerboy_203 жыл бұрын
japan is cool but not cool at the same time
@RoflcopterLamo3 жыл бұрын
@@burgerboy_20 their really just not that cool. Still haven’t apologized to China for what they did in WWII or anyone for that fact.
@FENT4NYLG4MING3 жыл бұрын
@One vibing cactus juice boi and his pet, lord momo is your brain in 240p
@kristaljensen37273 жыл бұрын
@Mr. Muhammad Iqbalyeah like a few years after the crunch culture had already established on that country
@Heehoo11143 жыл бұрын
It also doesnt help that japanese men arent supposed to look weak, so they never reach out for help Edit: Reword
@willboler8302 жыл бұрын
Earlier this year I left my "dream job" over burnout. I was doing AI research, but doing voluntary crunch to try to get models and code implemented. My manager was telling me that he didn't want me working that hard, but when I stopped crunching, I noticed that my reviews were becoming poor. I got more recognition and praise on projects after I crunched, and they'd call me things like "10xer." But eventually it all caught up with me and I had a mental breakdown, and my later projects started to fall to shit. I was pretty much done. After I quit, I tried to get my PhD at my old college, thinking the more free time and work to apply to what I wanted to do would help me out of burnout, but it only made it worse. I kept doing more of the same thing, training models, not getting the result I wanted, tweaking data and code, running experiments, averaging 80 hr work weeks, only to end up with trivial or bad results. I took a semester off from college, and just played videogames nonstop. Now I'm at the point where I need to return back to college, but I'm still burned out. I'm guessing this is that "stress casualty" that they're talking about.
@upsher Жыл бұрын
Hi! It's been a year since then, and I hope you do better
@upsher7 ай бұрын
A year and 7 months
@enrikdaka21836 ай бұрын
Are you feeling better now?
@13Dstyle3 жыл бұрын
I always hated the places where I worked and they say stuff like "we are basically family. We spend more time here than with our real families so we want to TREAT you like family." Idk, it's just disgusting.
@Handinmapocket3 жыл бұрын
It really just sounds like a red flag instead of a pro for working there.
@cixlo3 жыл бұрын
Prisoner of love and war
@PsypherWolf3 жыл бұрын
"This isn't a business, I always thought more of it as a source of cheap labor, like a family" -Hubert J. Fansworth.
@elainajoseph67383 жыл бұрын
Bro, I wonder WHY they're there with other devs than with family IDK MAYBE IF YOU CARED ABOUT YOU"RE WORKERS THEY COULD HAVE A FUCKING SOCIAL LIFE
@necrothescistt81643 жыл бұрын
it's worse when you're actual family. My dad is a farmer, each time i try to have a peaceful day for myself he goes on about all the work that I have to do and how he buys me nice things so I have to return the favor. Even when i'm working all day he tells me that i had all these things that I didn't do. When I came back from my other job he always needed me for something. having your boss follow you home for dinner isn't great.
@vurrunna3 жыл бұрын
Fans: "C'mon, it's not like anyone's holding a gun to your head!" Developers: "Y'know what, you're right, we're gonna take some time off and push back release by a day--" Fans: *Cocks gun* "I will literally kill you"
@lordhater42073 жыл бұрын
Not really it's mostly draconian tyrants that are detached from actual work in the top management that are the issue, faster they push the game more money they make at the end, since there hopefully will be less competition and more microtransactions at the end, of course draconian tyrants in the top management have their ditched servants at middle management to direct psychopaths and sociopaths at lower management who actually do all the whipping.
@kimi73963 жыл бұрын
@@lordhater4207 And you don't think the absolutely insane, rabid fanbase, who are known for sending mass death threats to the developers of a new release have any involvement with that? It may not be a root cause, but it most certainly promotes the culture. Guarantee it was a part of why 2077 was such a shitshow. The problem (and very large) cluster of companies who turn their developers into slave labor already don't give a shit about them, so what's a few death threats if not "encouragement" to continue the overtime crunches? I mean, the consumer wants their product out faster, and their wallet is our bottom line, so of course we'll keep churning shit out to an ever-increasingly impatient audience than ever think to treat our workers with a shred of dignity in regards to their mental health! That'd be outlandish, surely.
@cactus25493 жыл бұрын
@@kimi7396 tru tho.
@lordhater42073 жыл бұрын
@@kimi7396 There is some truth in that as well, however which of the two is more likely : 1. That 100% of management acts in the way i've described in the comment above, or 2. that 100% of gaming audience are impatient little brats? I'd say number 1 is more likely and i would further reinforce that with fact that ditched morons in top management make deals with shareholders or lacking those by themselves or amongst themselves in advance, they make their "perfect" plans despite not having ANY experience nor knowledge on how long and how hard the discussed project would be, nobody of the people who do the actual work is involved promises of time and profit are made then and there, a budget is made for the project that only exists in the fantasy land and "perfect" planning of degenerates that shouldn't be in charge of anything let alone a software development company not to mention gaming company, the demands are made of lower management to push the teams to their limits to complete tasks as fast as possible before the budget is spent, and all so that little shits in top management running a company whos inner workings they do not know don't have to spend few bucks more to improve the quality of life of their workers, i say issue lies in worthless and useless management from top to bottom, you say rampant murdering fan-base, i'd say that incompetent management is the issue, and that a person with IQ in double digits cannot hope to manage those with tripple digits IQ, all software engineers eventually leave their jobs and start their companies that are either related or totally unrelated to their previous work, and there is a reason why, nobody wants to have idiots above them, it's humiliating to a software engineer and it demeans the profession as a whole.
@eye7763 жыл бұрын
Fans aren't the big issue for most games. Fan pressure is a thing in the AAA game space, not so much for games like Barbie's Horse Adventure, but those developers crunch too. Few fans push for the timely release of mobile game milestones but, guess what, crunch also happens in that space. Even in the AAA space it's management and marketing spurring fans into action by promising fixed release dates while the game is still in alpha.
@The_Belkster4 жыл бұрын
Knowing more details about how foie gras is made makes that metaphor SO much more abhorrent.
@tehynprk4 жыл бұрын
Yeah and it’s also illegal in many countries for being animal abusive
@akaheadlesschicken4 жыл бұрын
Oh God damn, I just learned the truth and your right that quote is stone cold.
@InternetKilledTV214 жыл бұрын
@@tehynprk this is pretty graphic but for those who don't know, foie gras geese are force fed until they contract liver disease. it tastes good because of the fatty buildup that results from the disease (hence "foie gras" literally translating to fatty liver). it's horrendous, and in my mind is absolutely animal abuse.
@alibouk2274 жыл бұрын
@@InternetKilledTV21 excuse me what the fuck, why don't they fry it with extra grease or something, seriously, what the fuck.I'm all for eating meat but that's just fucked.
@InternetKilledTV214 жыл бұрын
@@alibouk227 no amount of grease could create the amount of fatty deposits that foie gras has (or if you do use enough, it'd wreck the whole plate)
@geoffreyguestion2843 Жыл бұрын
Crunch culture being treated as a rite of passage reminds me of F1 fans who didn't like the halo-a safety device-when it was introduced, and one of the excuses was that "racers are gladiators" and _should_ face death.
@swishfish8858 Жыл бұрын
We should get those people put in prison. Holy shit.
@staringcorgi64758 ай бұрын
I’d understand that reaction if racing is a dare devil sport but it’s not
@twotailedavenger7 ай бұрын
And that's when you respond with "If we'd had the halo in '94, Senna would still be here."
@ruffalo16436 ай бұрын
Why do fans like to see everyone suffer?
@Calv_5 ай бұрын
@@ruffalo1643 I think a bit of it was the drivers seemed against it at the time to (some not all), but also the older drivers who'd lived through much worse safety standards who commentate and help form the general public's opinion seemed against it. Though a year or less after the introduction there's a crash with Charles Leclerc in Spa and I'm pretty sure that's when everyone in the sport was sure it was the right choice. There was pushback from the drivers (before my time + also if i remember this correctly) when the HANS device was first introduced which basically drastically reduced the chances of drivers breaking their neck if I remember rightly it was something like "well I need to be able to see more / turn my neck more, it's uncomfortable, etc. etc. Talking of safety in F1, rest in peace Jules. I'm sure without his accident a lot of the improvements in the past decade wouldn't have happened. A sad and scary reminder that a lot of safety rules are written in blood. I wish we could've seen him race in a Ferrari.
@arthurdurham2 жыл бұрын
The "they don't put a gun to your head argument" is like when your sibling puts their finger right next to you head but yells "I'm not touching you". You're still causing the negative reaction even if you're not directly striking them
@Daylen1512 жыл бұрын
"I'm not in your room" while standing juuuuuust outside the door frame.
@Ghostly_scarf2 жыл бұрын
Why is this so damn accurate
@DocMario2 жыл бұрын
Nah playing with someone’s lively hood is arguably close to having a gun put to your head, especially when cost of living is consistently going up, you don’t have too many chances to slip up
@anonmouse152 жыл бұрын
Say what you like about corporate, but they are masters at denying responsibility and passing the buck.
@I_am_somebody_12342 жыл бұрын
@@DocMario Specially with how hard it is to get good jobs at game companies, contract working is bs
@xxTC-96xx3 жыл бұрын
Yeah some folks can underestimate how terrifying pressure from fans can be and how aggressive they can get if you don’t provide a released date or miss a date, and then they can tear you apart for the finished product that’s most likely been rushed out just to give them something, but it’s not good enough
@ObservationofLimits3 жыл бұрын
All those fans, that are that invested in that shit, are fucking insane and should be sent for a psych eval. I had a friend who had invested over 2k into Chronicles of Elyria and was hyped about it since day 1. Amassed enough IP to start as a Duke. When it started looking bleak, he kinda just accepted the loss. I could never imagine him acting like the people Noodle showed screencaps of. And I would guarantee, none of those assholes in the caps ever got that invested into a game.
@cassini47513 жыл бұрын
"oH my gOd WheN is EndErtAle gOnNa coNtinUe" Please keep on with the Mewtwo comic things they are adorable :>>
@gauntlettcf56693 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree, and I find it disgusting. Have you ever played Fortnite? I literally love the game, it's probably one of my favorited, but even seasons ago, when they were cruching hard their employees (I think they stopped now? Because the updates have been set to be much slower now, so hopefully they understood to stop being slavers) and when they used to release a HUGE update literally every week, people still complained and whined about them taking too long to correct mistakes. Especially till the 4th season of chapter 2 (we're in seasons 6 now, so not too long ago btw) people were so toxic towards anyone who supported the game and the developers, and just wanted them to be able to take a breath and get a slower pace. Now the situation is hopefully getting better, because many of those toxic-waste-fans are abandoning the fandom (and those who hated the game without playing it are just getting bored on being haters on it, just going somewhere else to ruin some other fandom), but trust me, it was extremely hard staying a fan and a supporter (loving the game and advocating for slower and more human updates) with all this hate going on. I can't even imagine how hard it must have been for developers. The gaming community seriously sucks sometimes...
@TwiztedHarlequin3 жыл бұрын
This is mainly a problem of today's "I want it and I want it NOW!" culture. Example : I'm 38, a different generation, I still remember times without smartphones and where games often took minutes to lead a level, or where downloading a single mp3 file took HOURS. And Many other things, I LEARNED to have PATIENCE. But nowadays kids and young adults are so spoiled with instant gratification that they literally go insane if they don't get what they want RIGHT NOW. This is also one of the reasons why dating / marriage and relationships in general are going to shit, because those things take time and effort. I'm one of the people that were waiting for Cyberpunk 2077, do I want to play it? Fuck yeah I do! Could I play it right this second? Sure, it's on my SSD ready to go. Did I fire it up even once yet? No I didn't, I'm going to wait another half a year or a year until the majority of bugs are fixed and some extra content is available. And no, I'm not stressing about it, I'm not even thinking about it most of the time. I just keep myself busy with other things, in my head I'm like "It's done when it's done, not a second sooner" and I have no problem with that.
@TheFloodFourm3 жыл бұрын
@@ObservationofLimits thy aren't fans and the only thing they're invested in is themselves. You have to be brain dead or unempathetic to think that rushing their work would do anything but squader it's quality. They don't even get that far though.
@Minekings1014 жыл бұрын
Marty's voice acting was pretty good in this, your writing always makes the interactions between characters amazing. At first I thought it was just you and Ice Cream Sandwich being funny but now im convinced you would have perfect comedic timing even if you were bouncing jokes off Barney the god damn dinosaur.
@kamilslup7743 Жыл бұрын
that point about realistic graphics = good is just stupid, there's even a sentence that describes it perfectly: "The pursuit for hyperrealism is a fruitless struggle that results in bloated file sizes."
@americankid7782 Жыл бұрын
That’s how we get COD games with updates over 100 Gigs. And it’s still shite.
@TheRegularHedgehog5758 ай бұрын
Yeah. A good art style will keep a game timeless. An attempt at realism will not be realistic in a few years.
@commentingaccount5563 жыл бұрын
How to not piss off the majority of gamers: you can't, they just shouldn't know you were making a game until it's done
@exyzt98773 жыл бұрын
see um, that's kind of "A Problem™"'. In a perfect world you could just do that, but we don't live in a perfect world. If you don't market the game both before AND after release, then you're not getting the fanbase as large as it realistically should be, and your game will end up rotting away unnoticed. There's many stories of poor marketing ruining entire franchises and even studios, to prove this ain't a good idea. This is double as important for indie devs where their funds prior to development come from things like Kickstarter and Patreon. People only invest in that kind of thing if they know their investment is in good hands, so they need to generate hype quickly so more people are willing to get invest. If they can't do that, the game is dead in the water at worst, and shoddily scrapped together at best.
@heistingcrusader_ad32233 жыл бұрын
@@exyzt9877 if that's the case then how the fuck did apex legends survived
@GlenJHenderson3 жыл бұрын
@@heistingcrusader_ad3223 they literally made both titanfall games, i think they had a bit of a community before hand, this is something that devs don't have on a first game, unless they try to advertise and market it properly
@mrsammy76003 жыл бұрын
Team Cherry, on Silksong: *So i took that personally*
@heistingcrusader_ad32233 жыл бұрын
@@GlenJHenderson then market it with a no release date and put a statement to be patient. Pretty sure in this day and age the majority would be patient to wait as rushed projects have proven to be bad and inferior
@this_is_japes74093 жыл бұрын
a quote from one of my co-workers: "self-care is about giving the world the best of you, not the rest of you."
@cateyedboy41683 жыл бұрын
That ain't self-care, that's caring for everybody but yourself
@this_is_japes74093 жыл бұрын
@@cateyedboy4168 i think you misunderstood the quote. You cant give your best unless you take care of yourself first.
@this_is_japes74093 жыл бұрын
@@cateyedboy4168 it's a quote for people who work too hard, like giving their best, are inherently too selfless, to tell them you're not achieving your goal by neglecting yourself. I guess it comes off as confusing to people who aren't like that.
@-Zakhiel-3 жыл бұрын
@@this_is_japes7409 I get what the quote is trying to say, but I agree with CatEyedBoy. Self-care is self-care, period. Trying to convey what self-care is by saying that, if you don't take care of yourself you won't be able to take care of the world is non sensical... What if I don't care about the world? What about people who do good for the world at their own expense?
@this_is_japes74093 жыл бұрын
@@-Zakhiel- then this quote is not for you/them simple as that. quotes like these aren't meant to be universal. no one can summarize a complex issue for everyone in a single witty sentence. language is limited and we're not spartans. this quote has a target audience, people who do too much for the sake of others in neglect of themselves i.e. the people who tend to suffer from overworking in the first place, the victims of crunch culture, the topic of the video, the relevant subject. everyone has different values, this quote seeks to appeal to the values of those type of people in order to make them realize their self destructive behavior is working against them. also saying self-care is self-care is reductive (i mean so is the quote, but I digress). everyone has different ideas for what self-care should be, self-care isn't just self-care, because there isn't one definition. like you say, not everyone cares about the world(sadly), someone who is self-indulgent, and ruins their health in overindulgence likely needs a different motivation to stop their self-destructive behavior, so they need a different quote that appeals to their values, but they're typically not the victims of crunch culture i.e. they're not who this quote is for, they're not the reason I commented this on a video about crunch culture, and they're not the reason I was told it.
@dirktheodale70664 жыл бұрын
When you think about how many "AAA" games in the past years have been bugged filled, rushed and crappy experiences, crunch proves not to work.
@caramelldansen22044 жыл бұрын
money comes first, not quality and especially not the health of labour
@doodlizeddd3 жыл бұрын
@@caramelldansen2204 I don't know if that is against the argument or with the argument, but it is true.
@caramelldansen22043 жыл бұрын
@@doodlizeddd It is an argument against the way we currently organize production
@UrFriendXD3 жыл бұрын
yeah... tbh it takes a lot of time to just implement a feature and then to have it work flawlessly takes even more time. Even it's a simple feature, still takes time, and the more you add, the more interactions and so on you need to make sure works. I suppose without those crunches, those games would either never have been released or been pushed back a lot, and seeing Cyberpunk, I don't know if the community would be happy with that... Oh, and profit too, the longer it takes to release, the more the company bleeds money. Games don't make money until they release or Early access.
@cee_ves3 жыл бұрын
Hell cyberpunk took like a full fucking decade of crunch and it still came out shit
@LiamVickersAnimation4 жыл бұрын
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@dovahkiin_brasil4 жыл бұрын
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@treef00t_4 жыл бұрын
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@alphalilly82074 жыл бұрын
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@FallenMeeps4 жыл бұрын
LIAM??
@sequences89422 жыл бұрын
This is two years old but I have to share. Marty is 100% the kind of manager some software teams need. Personal crunch bleeds into a crunch culture, because once some devs start putting their lives on the backseat, it creates expectations from the clients and even other managers. I worked with a lead developer who would set deadlines around his crunch behaviors. His goto deadline was "2 weeks." What the client and managers didn't know is that those 2 weeks included 20 hours on weekends, and an extra 2 or so hours each day of the working week at home doing more work. I didn't want to do that, I wasn't even expected to do that, but suddenly I couldn't say "this will take 4 weeks" without having to argue "why? he can do it in 2," because I wasn't trying to crunch my way through it, and my managers ultimately were more interested in the client being happy so they didn't really push back or fight for a longer deadline. This built an expectation in my products that I had to crunch, because he set a standard that was not feasible without putting in that extra time. It ultimately made me a miserable person and led to me being fired because the stress overwhelmed me and affected the rest of my work. So, I'm glad you pushed back on that guy a little bit, in a respectful way of course, and I'm glad people like Marty are out there setting reasonable expectations for their employees to prevent that from spiraling. Sometimes passionate people don't realize how their seemingly personal toxic behaviors can become something that is no longer personal. It's fine to be passionate and want to work extra, but businesses are about results and it can transform into something much worse real quick because they won't see the human cost, either on purpose or otherwise.
@DavidHidde3 жыл бұрын
It’s insane to imagine that people actually think that spending literally all your time working can be healthy.
@coolman90203 жыл бұрын
You can tell that people who say this are the same ones who want their video game to come out a few months earlier, and don't care if the developers are being overworked.
@amrilhaziq81143 жыл бұрын
imo gamers are some of the most entitled consumer community around so most don’t even care about what goes behind the scenes, they want games gud they don’t care about the developers health etc.
@tsrenis3 жыл бұрын
@@amrilhaziq8114 Yeah lol remember 2013
@ayamedaika17563 жыл бұрын
Cough cough meet Japan cough cough
@chavaspada3 жыл бұрын
@@amrilhaziq8114 if you believe that you're very ignorant. IMHO make up users are way more entitled I'll just mention mica mining in India and the beauty industry. Last I checked, the videogame industry don't use child labour nor do animal testing.
@wheretowatch55683 жыл бұрын
I am alone, in my apartment, on the second floor of my building at midnight with my pants off and blutooth earbuds in. Then your fucking knocking happened sound happened and I had such a fucking heart attack.
@gooeygo25153 жыл бұрын
I literally jumped out of my bed to answer the door
@Hno333 жыл бұрын
I kept asking who who and nobody answered I was so confused I feel so stupid
@mariannecontrino62973 жыл бұрын
You know, this isnt at ALL where I thought your comment was heading, so I just gotta say, I'm definitely relieved it ended up where it did.
@MBulteau3 жыл бұрын
Practically the same situation happened to me right now. I am still shaking from the brief panic attack I just had. XD
@icyatlasartworks3 жыл бұрын
Did you at least have time to wear pants?
@EKimatH3 жыл бұрын
As someone who served in an actual military that actually fights in an actual battlefield, to hear the term ‘stress casualty’ in any context other than euphemism for PTSD is.... Incredibly unsettling
@tsrenis2 жыл бұрын
It probably is still a euphemism for PTSD in this case ngl
@EKimatH2 жыл бұрын
@@tsrenis [[[sorry if anyone checks the comments and gets triggered by this. We used to refer to soldiers who committed suicide as ‘stress casualties’. Really uncomfortable that the gaming industry is claiming this term.]]]]
@foxcroasmun40972 жыл бұрын
@@EKimatH I was thinking along the lines of the other person as well. That explanation makes the adoption of the term even more fucked.
@billxrl41542 жыл бұрын
@@EKimatH Yikes! I pictured stress casualties more like mental breakdowns. If it actually means suicide then holy shit, it sounds so much scarier.
@scarlettefoxx55852 жыл бұрын
Ah man that stuff is awful.. Its.. bad, I've also heard things about workers in japan who will straight up die from working too much, so maybe.. unfortunately.. it could be an accurate term... Then again it's hard for anyone like me to know either side when i haven't experienced any of it..
@dumpsockpuppet56192 жыл бұрын
"Crunch is not a triunp of the workforce, but a failure of the management" -James Stephanie Sterling (Thank God for Them)
@corvicore68133 жыл бұрын
my dad worked in the games industry for about 15 years, basically my whole early childhood. he was a smart man who picked his projects very carefully, but even so, I don't remember him being around much when I was a kid. the crunch culture was so bad that even though my dad had it relatively easy, he still was under a lot of stress and didn't get much time off. shit sucks, dude.
@moosesues88873 жыл бұрын
What game he work on
@slavcabbage26193 жыл бұрын
aand this is why indie is a thing (and thank god its actually going so successful ya know with the whole big corpo crunching and all but I think it can still happen but a bit less likely with small groups like the dudes that made Risk of Rain 2)
@RaeIsGaee3 жыл бұрын
@@slavcabbage2619 Like mentioned in the video, crunch culture isn't only caused by greedy Capitalists working poor people to the bone and implicitly threatening them with starvation if they speak up. It also is a result of consumers getting violently angry about a game being delayed or people attacking anyone that criticizes disgusting labor laws and advocates for unionization. Imo, it's a by-product of sweaty reactionaries getting more and more attention and support since gamergate and cultivating a pro-consumerist, anti-worker sentiment that annihilates creative people's mental and emotional well-being.
@slavcabbage26193 жыл бұрын
@@RaeIsGaee Thats true but im just saying that im glad that indie is actually being accepted and the other half of the major cause of stress, big corpos edging on crunching. However, I think that indie devs, like you said, do have a whole lot of stress from game delays and update delays from people. I even think they might have it worse off than the big games because if you look at a big high graphics game then as a consumer you might understand or give them more tolerance than smaller game devs who are making smaller games "and because they are making smaller games they should be able to do it easier". But yea indie games are cool and im glad they caught on.
@RaeIsGaee3 жыл бұрын
@@slavcabbage2619 Oh absolutely, I'm glad too and I'm super thankful for groups like the devs for Deadcells. And absolutely, like indie devs always feel more vulnerable and personal because its their personal projects, and its much easier to target them than it is to seek out a specific overworked creative in a corporation.
@ESCapistEv3 жыл бұрын
“Celibate” immediately followed by “Sex-haver” is the funniest thing in this vid. Apart from Marty, Marty gud.
@chardaranimations59813 жыл бұрын
In Asia it’s worse. A former classmate from my old school just died, crunching for the school for a competition and had a heart attack...
@ME0WMERE3 жыл бұрын
jesus.
@garybrown20393 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that. I personally heard stories from other college students that some foreign exchange students can’t get credit for a paper they helped work on (in terms of science ) because the professor just took the credit. I believe the person was Chinese but I’m not 100% certain.
@chardaranimations59813 жыл бұрын
@@garybrown2039 I agree. There is this issue about how we value Asian productivity less than white people. We take not only Asians, but contributions made by people of colour for granted a lot of the times. Edit: This is not to say it doesn’t happen to white people. Whenever there’s a hierarchy and systematic discrimination, this problem appears.
@garybrown20393 жыл бұрын
@@chardaranimations5981 I think you misinterpreted what I said. I meant to say that it happened a lot in China or Asia itself. Not here in the west because every foreign exchange student in person of color got their name on papers when they were here.
@chardaranimations59813 жыл бұрын
@@garybrown2039 Oh. That’s unexpected and even more unfortunate. Thanks for the info
@dougthemoleman2 жыл бұрын
Psychonauts 2 was made without crunch. It is one of the most incredible games ever made. It's the epitome of video games being art.
@GopherThegreat3 жыл бұрын
I have studio grade headphones and "the goose" section with all the knocking on the door seriously fucked with me while drawing.
@linusostberg17803 жыл бұрын
I dont even have that great headphones and i thought sombody was outside my window at midnight
@averageda93283 жыл бұрын
fr, scared me so much
@jman21503 жыл бұрын
I looked up every time there was a knock. Legit thought somebody was at the door. Every. Single. Time.
@purplexus3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I did several double takes during that part
@scoutszewc89893 жыл бұрын
I have iPhone earbuds and I freaked out
@pairjax80653 жыл бұрын
Weird to come back to that "Foie Gras" comment now that we've seen what Blizzard is capable of. This video is more relevant than ever right now.
@emPtysp4ce3 жыл бұрын
They seem to _love_ being supervillains
@PloverTechOfficial3 жыл бұрын
Give my goose back
@ProsecutorValentine3 жыл бұрын
Such a shame cancel culture has targeted Marty's goose.
@TeardropLabs3 жыл бұрын
Would you mind filling me in?
@pairjax80653 жыл бұрын
@@TeardropLabs Of course! Warning, it is very disturbing. Blizzard was accused of a series of workplace violations, including: - Encouraging employees to be drunk on the job with actual alcohol kiosks - Men going around the office harassing the women - Intentionally keeping women & people of color from getting pay raises and rising up in the company. - Lots and lots of sexual assault claims. - The higher-ups at the company were found to have a room they had at Blizz-con, the annual blizzard convention, known as the "Cosby Room" where they brought women visiting the convention to be assaulted. All of this, combined with immense crunch times in the office, paint a very terrifying and bleak picture of Blizzard as a company.
@ajeje19964 жыл бұрын
Imagine being a "stress casualty" of a game that's as dead on arrival as Anthem... Christ, that's depressing
@LTV7464 жыл бұрын
Happens more and more
@caesarspeaks4 жыл бұрын
They can’t blame the publishers tho, they can only blame themselves. They had seven fucking years and they didn’t do shit
@hurricanemeridian87124 жыл бұрын
@@caesarspeaks WTF is wrong with you did you even bother watching the video?
@DoctorPhileasFragg4 жыл бұрын
@@hurricanemeridian8712 This is what I've heard too. I feel the video conflated the usual conditions at the company and the conditions for that game, but maybe I actually heard this story wrong to begin with?
@strikeforce15004 жыл бұрын
@@caesarspeaks uhm, no? Anthem was only actually develop for like a year, because management was just so shitty that they couldn't decided to even basic stuff. It is not the fault of the development, it is the fault of people management everything
@spoonoftheuniverse7233 Жыл бұрын
I remember starting to crunch in elementary school. I put my love of learning into homework and school and got praise and suddenly you have a fourth grader who doesn’t know the concept of not doing homework and staying up til midnight doing an assignment worth a couple of points. This lasted as far back as I remember up until I physically couldn’t anymore. Health got in the way and I became physically disabled. Crunching probably didn’t cause my disability but it sure didn’t help when I had to learn the concept of pacing myself by physically not being able to do it anymore. I had to learn not to care and it might be now I care too little but at least I can take care of myself.
@amf86483 жыл бұрын
Rooster Teeth crushing the shit out of their animators and acting like a smoll indie company : "Don't be a meany to us, we're your fwends :D"
@amistrophy3 жыл бұрын
Uwu
@amistrophy3 жыл бұрын
CoMpaniEs arE PeoPle TOo!11!
@abrahamlincoln91603 жыл бұрын
H A H H A H H A H
@macarooni75783 жыл бұрын
"Letsy be fwendy!! Uwu! Me hooman twoo! Uwusy!"
@ggs273 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they're literally owned by Warner. They're not indie
@kinglybuzzard52903 жыл бұрын
This is why games should operate on a "Its ready when its ready" system instead of deadlines
@nokashii33753 жыл бұрын
Deadlines are a good thing, as long as you actually manage to decide on a realistic date. Setting an unrealistic deadline is bad management. Not being able to set one in the first place because you have no plan of how long anything takes to get done is just as bad
@Sheenulus3 жыл бұрын
@@nokashii3375 Companies are usually willing to delay and rectify unrealistic release dates, which is a good sign.
@michakrzyzanowski85543 жыл бұрын
See the original Cyberpunk trailer
@waidwml21663 жыл бұрын
problem with that is publishing there is a time to strike with advertising and if you miss it publisher will want to release it anyway mainly because about 50% of a AAA games budget is for advertising it's why Halo Infinite is the most expensive game of all time
@Raccoonik3 жыл бұрын
Sure, we'll just stop releasing new hardware and having yearly part with your money holidays.
@dreadgrave33794 жыл бұрын
The best part of foie gras is that it's mostly known for being the product /of/ abuse. The goose is stuffed silly while it's alive to make sure the liver is put under as much stress as possible.
@zamfir20054 жыл бұрын
I both agree and disagree with you. 1 you are right, it suffers, but 2 you are wrong, it is not abuse, its an animal, it cant express or have an opinion. 3 even if it is abuse, think about it, every good thing has a darker side. Christmas, for example, which is comming in a few days, when you spend time with family, and if you are a christian, you will most probably eat pork, which is given a lot of food, so it gets big and fat over the year, only to be slayed 2 weeks before christmas. The meat is delicious. So is the foix gras. For everything, there is something to sacrifice, for every + there is a - and to this there are no exeptions.
@eyemaysin4 жыл бұрын
@@zamfir2005 bro stfu
@zamfir20054 жыл бұрын
@@eyemaysin please try and use something called constructive criticism, or if your iq is not high enough for that, i recomand going to school, yes, its actually a thing even in 2020. Thank you!
@eyemaysin4 жыл бұрын
@@zamfir2005 ok, what makes you think humans are the only animals with feelings.
@clochard40744 жыл бұрын
@@zamfir2005 It's so unscientific to say animal abuse is not a thing that it's hard to answer properly, that's all. Next time tell us of the moon made of cheese. We can't compensate for your shortcomings.
@reepusvanguard Жыл бұрын
gamers that like crunch are insane, like seriously do you want good games or do you want more redfall and gollum?
@DarrenSmith-j8m Жыл бұрын
we need more redfall=likes
@ThanosTheManos3 жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for artists who lose their passion and come to the point of hating something they worked so hard to become, something they truly loved with all their heart because some inpatient corporate assholes needed to push them so far they broke.
@TheRoomforImprovement3 жыл бұрын
Not only that, but also the demand from equally impatient, entitled gamers.
@passengercars43633 жыл бұрын
Thanks Thanos
@Daveo_is_my_nameo3 жыл бұрын
Would be cool to have a “certified crunch free” on the game case. Kinda like certified organic or gluten free
@scinary70523 жыл бұрын
I bet game studios would find an easy loophole to get that falsely
@TheAlison14563 жыл бұрын
@Scinary publishers.
@tracyblanchard76633 жыл бұрын
@@scinary7052 Oh 100%, they'd just use the "We don't _formally require_ crunch" argument to make it the Milk Chocolate standard of games.
@おいしいですか3 жыл бұрын
I actually really want this
@theMuBot3 жыл бұрын
@@tracyblanchard7663 it could work if it wasn't just a calculation of maximum hours worked per staff member, and if studios/publishers weren't the ones deciding (which should be the case with any certification). There would have to be a third party (maybe... perhaps... a game developers' union?) that individually reviewed studios/projects and made it possible for staff to safely and anonymously report issues and concerns and have those reports reviewed by human beings with compassion and critical thinking. It wouldn't be perfect, because people aren't perfect, but it would be _something._
@boxboi2863 жыл бұрын
literally all of my friends were all complaining about the new among us update but there’s literally only FOUR ppl that work at innersloth
@thegermanbasket7323 жыл бұрын
Jesus. But the sign in thing kinda messed it up and is now annoying to change name.
@jacobh.29733 жыл бұрын
I do complain about it and I understand they weren't sure on a deadline (probably bc once again the 4 workers) I just wish they didn't say early 2021. But, this video definitely gave me a new take on it
@crimsonlanceman78823 жыл бұрын
Re your frienda also lobotomites?
@Unpopular503 жыл бұрын
Look at all the comments for Valheim, five person team and people act like the 3+ years they spent making what we have now just isn’t good enough. They can’t believe it’s been three months and they don’t have every single expansion that was planned out right now it’s crazy.
@Xman34washere3 жыл бұрын
bruHuHuHuHuHuH
@drmonkeys8522 жыл бұрын
As my dad always has told me: when you crunch you're not gaining any extra work/ value on the work you're doing. You're taking on debt and you'll eventually have to pay it back off + interest
@TheXXIJackpot3 жыл бұрын
What I hate the most is that boss that constantly complains because I keep making mistakes after working 27 hours non-stop... Like, half my brain is not there anymore, idk what you expect of me...
@MinMaxerGaming3 жыл бұрын
:(
@gaetanodepaola2ndchannel1793 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that sounds like actual abuse. This kind of workplace behavior should be illegal. People working at a company are still human people, and thus need to have decent lives. Higher ups can't just ask literally anything of them and expect them to do the impossible and not drop dead on the floor. People have a life outside of work. You deserve better, honestly. Many do.
@Handinmapocket3 жыл бұрын
@@gaetanodepaola2ndchannel179 Agreed, a footbal coach making players do drills that are dangerous to their health gets fired and sued. Why don't other positions in different industries get treated the same?
@MiguelAngel-go4ck3 жыл бұрын
Unless you live in mexico or some sort of third world shithole i think making employees work that much without relax is illegal
@crunchyfreeze3 жыл бұрын
D:
@partiallyslicedbread3693 жыл бұрын
“It’s the thing that immediately follows the feeling of ‘oh god oh fuck’ when you realize an assignment is due in two days and you haven’t started yet”, noodle says as I realize I have an assignment due at midnight that I haven’t started yet TwT
@valravnsshadow94223 жыл бұрын
Did you manage?
@partiallyslicedbread3693 жыл бұрын
@@valravnsshadow9422 Barely lol
@el_mr64393 жыл бұрын
@@partiallyslicedbread369 😎 nice
@Fae-Fey3 жыл бұрын
"Two days definitely still a lot of time" - College procastinator
@valravnsshadow94223 жыл бұрын
@@partiallyslicedbread369 Noice
@mashprotato4 жыл бұрын
You should just rename your youtube channel “funny cartoon man”
@cybrnekomusic4 жыл бұрын
“Funny cartoon man and marry music guy”
@nicbigmc31694 жыл бұрын
Hello mash protato when Among us series? Me want it. U need to crunch
@mashprotato4 жыл бұрын
@@nicbigmc3169 Listen. Listen. We have gone through a lot of issues. This is my first time doing something like this and we made some big mistakes, first one being adding to many people because we thought “more is better” which ending up just making things go slower. Second issue is just pure unmotivation and sometimes lack of directive. Third thing is that the writing team has gotten reformed like 3 times now so the story may be a little weird because of it. We basically plan to fail at this point so we can move on, but if everything goes well we’ll continue. Got it? Cool. To answer your question, I’m not sure when it’ll come out.
@thomasoreilly857 Жыл бұрын
This is the reason I'm fine with Silksong taking the "It's ready when it's ready" approach. I loved Hollow Knight so much that I'm willing to wait basically forever for it to come out. Some time this century would be nice though.
@wifi914 жыл бұрын
This video comes outta the blue, and describes exactly what's happening in my life right now. I work as a programmer for a digital marketing company. We are just 2 programmers there. I always have to cut my lunch break and work every day overtime comoleteo for free and without insurance. The bosses got so good at this that they managed to brainwash all my colleagues who do the same, and made them think this is a good thing, because it's for the good of the company. They're actually HAPPY to do that. I'm literally using all the money I get from this work for paying a psychologist, and I still feel like I'm not living anymore, because, well, that's the truth. The only thing that makes me keep going is the fact that I'm getting the mandatory work experience that all the other companies want if you want to work for them, so that I can leave this company and get to another one, hoping I will get luckier. How much will I be able to sustain it? What will happen when I will break? What am I even living for? To work?
@stephancalitz71134 жыл бұрын
I understand the feeling, dude. Its a, shitty, overused saying but stuff gets better. And hey, you're at least striving and aware of the crappy situation rather than just accepting it
@lososthefish34 жыл бұрын
Do you think it's any different when you work in any other sector or even on the cash register? Right now all shop staff/post offices/delivery guys work overtime, before holidays. The difference is you are getting paid at least double to 10 times as much.
@wifi914 жыл бұрын
@@lososthefish3 I actually get paid minimum wage, but yeah, I agree the problems can be found in other sectors as well
@stephancalitz71134 жыл бұрын
@@lososthefish3 "your situation isn't bad, its easy you ungrateful cretin" -you Everyone is allowed to have things suck
@combativeThinker4 жыл бұрын
The purpose of work is to earn money. The purpose of money is to facilitate trades. The purpose of trades is to obtain material wealth. The purpose of wealth is to bring the owner enjoyment. Therefore, if you hate your work and it makes you unable to enjoy life...what’s the point?
@zanaeris96003 жыл бұрын
I was an animator.. it was my dream job. But now, it's my nightmare. 3 years staying in thinking "It's my passion" while throwing away other significant things in my life - my family, my friends and my relationship, my health physically and mentally. Glad I left it behind
@stfuincels_13 жыл бұрын
Jeez I feel you in another level. Animation used to be my biggest passion since my sweet childhood. I did a bachelor in 2D/3D at an animation school and worked 4 years into a company... it costed my mental health. Me and teammates were 24/7 overwhelmed and we worked around 80 hours a week for 4 years. It became quickly a living nightmare that I still have to recover...
@zanaeris96003 жыл бұрын
@@stfuincels_1 I wish you a speedy recovery and best of luck.. I took 5 months to rest after I resigned before I decided to changed my career.. being jobless is a nightmare too but I don't wish to continue to work in this industry anymore.. so I just grab any job that at least can provide me a decent life.. I still love animation too, but just chose to not let a corporation to have control over my passion.. :) Take your time in picking yourself up again okay?
@ReikuYin3 жыл бұрын
I'm in the same position. Freelance. I'm glad you are recovering. I hope the industry changes, but I'm wise enough to know better till the culture of the world changes.
@Gromek9994 жыл бұрын
This escaped my notifications somehow. Thanks for this vid Noodle, you're the man.
@markg54654 жыл бұрын
haha didn't think I'll see you around after Robocraft. Nice grow up!
@apillow87244 жыл бұрын
Woah, holy moly. That's a name I haven't seen in a while.
@Barbarossahhh4 жыл бұрын
Cool to see you here, loved your Mordhau videos!
@derp30444 жыл бұрын
same buddy, forgot to hit the bell!
@mathisbuilder4 жыл бұрын
Yo Gromek, I see you everywhere recently
@wisdomax2891 Жыл бұрын
"Sometimes, there’s nothing like a good foie gras" is something you respond to with throwing a drink or spitting in their face because HOLY that is not a person
@thecluckster3908 Жыл бұрын
That’s something a super villain would say
@yourlocalbirb7923 жыл бұрын
jesus christ bro. i used to be a hardcore "dude cmon i want to play this game now" kinda gamer (without the death threats) but now i feel bad even though i only got mad that it hadn't come out yet. i had no idea that people, REAL PEOPLE, were being pushed to their limits like this. it's horrible.
@tagon23813 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think if more people learned about how the conditions sometimes actually are, it’d be easier on devs
@halapenopepper3 жыл бұрын
lots of people willingly turn a blind eye. Gamers are... by and large not nice people. The loud ones anyway. I tried explaining crunch culture to my coworkers (retail) around the time Red Dead 2 came out, the only thing they'd say was 'if they don't like it they shouldn't be game developers, it's not like it's a real job anyway'
@ObservationofLimits3 жыл бұрын
Eh I mean, it's fairly standard fare in Japan. I'm not saying it's right, but you'd have to know going in.
@ko-fl8hu3 жыл бұрын
@@halapenopepper what the FUCK do they even mean with "not a real job". do they think game devs are fucking magicians or something
@ko-fl8hu3 жыл бұрын
@@ObservationofLimits yeah standard fare, and japan is intense enough with that overwork crap that they even have a term if you die from it - 過労死, or "karoshi"; "overwork death". and i don't think it's that they 'don't know', because i think they do know - just, sucks that it has to be something people just 'deal with' in the first place just to feed their families and themselves.
@Evan_2-the_sequel3 жыл бұрын
When I heard "some come back, some don't," that really shook me.
@XiaolinDraconis3 жыл бұрын
Really makes me wonder about the countless times I've seen "In memory of" during credits.
@harribo65273 жыл бұрын
@@XiaolinDraconis holy wow, now that i think about it. That's just... whoa
@labombaboy94334 жыл бұрын
I WANT MY GOOSE BACK !! -Marty O'donnel
@Circuitssmith4 жыл бұрын
“Julian!!!”
@shannonparkhill55572 жыл бұрын
Similar shit happens in heaps of workplaces, where the execs, concerned only about their bottom line, refuse to hire the amount of staff really needed.
@majoraswrath61823 жыл бұрын
That "foie gras" line is like something a supervillain would say, wtf
@islandboy93812 жыл бұрын
You can hear the mustache twirling when that is said
@ironlisa7s2 жыл бұрын
I bet you that executive walks in front of the mirror day to do there "Oooh im a cool video game bad guy" voice
@YourMajesty1432 жыл бұрын
Idk how many people know this, but foie gras isn't just the liver of a goose. It's the liver of a goose that was force-fed "human-caterpillar" style. Along with basically waterboarding the geese using a funnel shoved into their esophagus, they're also restricted to living in a confined space that restrict their movement. This process creates rich fatty livers that are considered a French delicacy, but is honestly just glorified liver puree.
@morgierwin66412 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was struck by the evil brilliance of that line. Sharp and soulless.
@tacopizzasandwich6212 жыл бұрын
@@YourMajesty143 oh god you didn’t have to go into that much detail That image is now burned into my mind, thanks your majesty
@rumble88654 жыл бұрын
That goose liver comment sounded like it came from a villain from a well written series
@zynski34514 жыл бұрын
Sounds to me like the Exec wanted to crush dissent so he came up with some cold-blooded line the night before.
@noblebork74444 жыл бұрын
Why are people so corrupt that they can't put a line between free time and availability?
@agustindalessandro40734 жыл бұрын
@@zynski3451 Oh yeah, it was totally a setup... and kind of a threat maybe. Total psycho
@Greatsword5854 жыл бұрын
Welcome to corporate assholes, and why I as an animator/illustrator intend to never intentionally work under a bigger studio.
@kroktal88964 жыл бұрын
The scariest thing in my opinion is that to convince them to not destroy their employees, you have to explain them that it's more profitable that way
@Jarekthegamingdragon4 жыл бұрын
I agree with the point on crunch you want to do vs crunch you need to with both being damaging if you're not careful. I used to go from one video project right to the next without any breaks. Eventually I started forcing myself to actually take breaks and holy hell I immediately felt better. I got more sleep, I had a regular schedule, I had more time to talk and keep up with my friends. As it turns out, week ends are healthy, who'd have thought? These last few months I've just been working non stop on videos thanks to holiday releases and I've created a plan to take 2 weeks off while still having content to post during that time. A year or so ago I wouldn't have done this. I'm very looking forward to it. And when NINTENDO of all companies are able to do right in this regard, you know something is messed up.
@iris_ofthestorm42604 жыл бұрын
Hi Jarek
@isaach.73244 жыл бұрын
Hi Jarek
@NotAFanNAF4 жыл бұрын
Hi Jarek
@spartan22994 жыл бұрын
Hi Jarek
@templarkid.4 жыл бұрын
Hi Jarek
@alotario Жыл бұрын
Had my mom watch this video after getting laid off from a creative-based job loaded with crunch. She was genuinely surprised when she realized she had been working this type of job, and now she plans to work using a self-hobby-based job with her own deadlines. Great video.
@RadenWA3 жыл бұрын
As an independent artist that started to work in a studio, I confirm that the first thing I need to learn is how to make my work _intentionally shitty_ just so I can meet the deadline.
@airplanemaniacgaming78773 жыл бұрын
please do. just to piss the people off who feel the *NEED* to hound devs until the deadline.
@zanaeris96003 жыл бұрын
YES.
@brickitect4203 жыл бұрын
look at how the sims4 is. it's shit but everyone keeps buying the new DLCs anyway so it's seen successful corporate-wise and they keep pumping out more, it's a money printer no matter what they do.
@BlitzkriegOmega3 жыл бұрын
For some reason my brain is defaulting to Dragon Ball Super episode 5. There is no way that wasn’t intentionally made as terribly as possible to meet a deadline
@RyanGatts3 жыл бұрын
I've done it. Not everything needs to be the best thing you've ever done. It's frequently best to just get in something that serves the requirements with as little work as possible so that you can give your limited attention to things that actually matter.
@Captain00Chaos2 жыл бұрын
"There's a gigantic difference between a day long marathon and a two month long death march" this line is great. Running a day long marathon might leave you exhausted, sweating, and gasping for air; but walking a two month long death march will hurt you in more ways than you thought were possible.
@patrickmcpartland1398 Жыл бұрын
The biggest key difference, you sign up for marathons and are forced into death marches, and a company couldn't force you to do a marathon, so probably not a great metaphor to use for something you ask your employees to do.
@thecoolestguyyoulleverknow69093 жыл бұрын
I work in the military and these guys work similar hours to us on deployment during crunch. The difference is we're mostly doing tasks we're specifically trained to do, and the tasks are simple enough. Not draining, thought-provoking work that's difficult to get right. We work this hard for national interest and so our families can live to see us, and so other people can live to see their families. They work this hard so a handful of impatient assholes can get their game faster. We work this hard knowing our families respect what we do and why we're doing it. Not only that, but we volunteered, and everyone knows how hard we work. Some of these people's families don't really know how hard these people are working, and their families might not even understand, or respect what they're doing. Point is, it's wrong for civilians like this to work as hard as they do for not even half of the pay or benefits we get.
@airplanemaniacgaming78773 жыл бұрын
oh yikes. now THAT's the kind of thing i never thought of. keep up the great work man, and stay safe.
@CryingButterfly05083 жыл бұрын
@@replyorratioifugaysaycrymo1684 That was a really long way to say, "I'm an ignoramus douchebag who purposefully acts like an asshole on the internet to get the attention my parents never gave me".
@onyourleft92733 жыл бұрын
@@CryingButterfly0508 Don’t pay attention he probably played 1 cod game and thinks he know what’s going on in the military
@Matanumi3 жыл бұрын
woahwoahwoah thank you for your service and all that shit bit don't get it twisted when you say you defending your families of your in the US military- that's a completely different story. But yeah I work in a similar industry- when you get work its 12 hours a day minimum and when you don't get work its nothing
@AnonW3 жыл бұрын
You're just a pawn being used by the generals, think about all the wars America has started on the middle east for no other reason than to steal their oil lines.
@mrpoopy1802 жыл бұрын
I think team cherry has done an amazing job at stopping crunch culture while producing silksong. They didn't give an exact deadline and aren't hyping the game, so now they have as much time as they want without having to crunch.
@tacopizzasandwich621 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately their attempts at not hyping silksong by not putting too many trailers out only served to make someone make a youtube channel reporting silksong news every day because hollow knight fans are starved of content Still good that they arent crunching tho
@ayoxe3 жыл бұрын
The foie gras line was hecking terrifying. Now we now why Activision is so bad.
@romxxii3 жыл бұрын
It's not even a good metaphor, because a good foie gras doesn't involve kicking geese. You get it from overfeeding geese. So the metaphor would've made more sense if that Activision exec gave his entire bonus _and_ salary to his devs, _before_ working them to suicide.
@EsperHubb3 жыл бұрын
@@romxxii I agree, but the thing is that I am sure that exec may value the devs very little. So "overfeeding" in this case may be something like a weekend off or false promises of bonuses after the game ship. It's like feeding race horse 1 lettuce leaf and then expect it to run 500 laps around the race track, cracking that whip.
@bilalak90903 жыл бұрын
right now, their being sued for fucking sexually harassing women who work there
@plasticpirate3 жыл бұрын
“Crunch makes games better“ Sounds as just as ignorant “If your homeless buy a home”
@theraginginfernape94962 жыл бұрын
*sounds just as ignorant and yes
@the_dark_jumper22112 жыл бұрын
@@theraginginfernape9496 \*sounds just as ignorant *as* If you're gonna play the grammar Nazi, start on yourself.
@pheilimobrien66342 жыл бұрын
@@the_dark_jumper2211 How the fuck did you draw that conclusion?
@jamespfp2 жыл бұрын
At OP -- Absolutely god-damn right, though. All people who Rent are effectively Homeless. GO BUY A HOME. :D
@theraginginfernape94962 жыл бұрын
@@jamespfp no
@pewpewplasma37933 жыл бұрын
After watching this video I’ve formed a little visual equation of crunch. Work is like a fire. That fire keeps you warm at night, cooks your food, and provides light. It is great for all of these reasons because it is comfortable and provides you with life. Crunch is you adding more fuel to the fire. Sometimes you need a bigger fire to feed the travelers that come your way, or provide more light for those lost in the dark, or simply because it is freezing cold. But add too much fuel and the fire becomes an inferno, totally out of your control as it consumes everything and everyone in its path to feed the flames that provides you with so much. Until theres nothing left. Sometimes this inferno is started by a poor decision to pour gasoline on the fire. But sometimes it wasn’t you who poured the gasoline. This fire is important. It provides you with everything you need so that you can achieve happiness and safety. But while it is your greatest tool it can become your greatest danger if managed improperly, either by you or a misguided traveler. Don’t let the fire rage beyond your control. Edit: So I had to come back to this video after learning about the scummy underhanded tactics Noodle used in his “bigger games” video. It’s hard to take this video and argument seriously when the guy is actively advocating for all the bad practices in the game industry with a different video, especially when Crunch is a symptom of those practices. If you see this comment: unsubscribe from this guy. I already have. He’s nothing but a hack and a liar, and is only interested in money. He’s not Mr. Anderson, he’s just another Agent Smith.
@whyudoit40093 жыл бұрын
This is a good visual equation
@Sandwich_People3 жыл бұрын
This comment is incredibly underrated you phrased this so well.
@jebediahmothman2 жыл бұрын
you should become a philsopher
@Jakespeed2072 жыл бұрын
If I may add, once a bonfire becomes an inferno, it's going to burn through the fuel it has at an accelerated rate. In that instance, you may have limited fuel that will quickly wane and might burn out at the most inopportune time. If someone else fueled your bonfire with your spare fuel to the point of it becoming an inferno, and it burns out, reigniting that bonfire won't be an easy task, and even if you manage it (a.k.a. managing to come back to the development team after becoming a stress casualty), that fire won't ever burn the same as it did before.
@CoralCopperHead2 жыл бұрын
Solution: adapt to survive without fire.
@Who-vt9oh Жыл бұрын
This isn't just a problem in the gaming industry. I experienced this in the finance sector, too. I was a commercial real estate analyst. It was my job to analyze commercial real estate loan requests and make a recommendation of approval or denial based on my findings. One of our department's main sources of revenue was loan origination fees, so there was a massive incentive to try and process, and approve, as many loan requests as possible. Of course, I didn't receive any portion of the origination income, yet I was constantly under pressure to push through as many approval recommendations as possible by the loan officers, who did revive a portion of the origination income, and the department heads. I felt like it all fell on me, and I was constantly behind. The stress got so bad I started having panic attacks. This culture is so pervasive in the US, it has got to stop. It's not healthy, it's toxic.
@synesthesiacoyote75753 жыл бұрын
The more this video goes on, the more game development sounds like working in Healthcare. I think the only way this is going to change is if we unionize.
@kittenwizard47033 жыл бұрын
Unionization has only led to layoffs, and bankruptcy, it doesn't work, and protects abusive lazy workers
@Kiwi-lj9jc3 жыл бұрын
@@kittenwizard4703 u legit calling the workers abusive under this vid -w-
@blackjack14823 жыл бұрын
@@Kiwi-lj9jc No. I work for a union in a Non-RTW state. I can attest to this. Definitely enables the lazy.
@randomstranger6233 жыл бұрын
@@blackjack1482 Oof. Still though, better pay and benefits though. Especially if they get a lot of overtime.
@blackjack14823 жыл бұрын
@@randomstranger623 That is true for lower workers, but it can also hold back the most ambitious workers from better pay/benefits. Unionizing needs to be carefully considered. There's more to it than just bad employees. It can also allow companies to let go of free-market obligations to their employees by blaming the contract's un-changeability (ex: current inflation demanding higher wages than was negotiated), or even engage in shady practices to skirt union protections.
@sEaNoYeAh3 жыл бұрын
That Nintendo story also brings to mind the famous Miyamoto quote: "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." Practical, but also works on the human level in this case.
@kenobigaming57553 жыл бұрын
But it kinda sucks see that quote get shadowed thanks to games like cyberpunk. While that quote is true, games like cyberpunk ruins it
@drcheesenut8963 жыл бұрын
@@kenobigaming5755 until you realize the reason Cyberpunk turned out the way it did is because it wasn't delayed more, didn't get more time. I think Cyberpunk is proof of that statement, it doesn't ruin it, but instead helps it's case. Cyberpunk was delayed and delayed, and the execs were mad, fans were mad, and the devs were tired after years of work and tons of crunch time, so the game was forced out when it still needed more time
@ChadIs2 жыл бұрын
I mean. Miyamoto actually never said this
@thetntexpress70012 жыл бұрын
"A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game is forever bad....but a game too much delayed need to be spetacular to worth it"
@ChadIs2 жыл бұрын
@@thetntexpress7001 truth
@regularjoe55172 жыл бұрын
That foie gras metaphor makes me shudder every time. So unashamedly cruel. Like a cartoon villain
@mr_blank4413 Жыл бұрын
That man belongs in a reformatory
@SOoshi_art Жыл бұрын
We should unalive them
@Gamedox20 Жыл бұрын
@@SOoshi_artjust say kill
@WhateverIWantChannel2 жыл бұрын
I feel lucky that somehow I've stumbled my way into a healthy work environment, and I definitely think that a lot of it has to do with the producers at my workplace making sure I don't overwork myself, and genuinely looking out for me to make sure I don't crunch 24/7. I know I would, given the chance, because I simply love what I do. But I love it even more when I can have a life outside of it, eat, sleep -- generally take care of myself. They're able to make decisions about pushing things back, and have the sense in their heads that I lack about a work-life balance. I know they won't see this comment, so I'm going to write them a really nice Christmas card to thank them for the health they've given me.
@aidengray39982 жыл бұрын
I've got the same kind of boss. I work catering, and multiple times I've come into work feeling unwell. Chef looks at me, points at the door, and tells me to piss off until I feel better. I've worked twelves and thirteens, and every time he tells me to not do that. He'll stop us working to make sure we all eat. I worked really bad places before, and have never actually felt loyalty to a boss before, be he's earned it time and again.
@americankid7782 Жыл бұрын
I’ve also managed to find my way into a healthy work environment. We don’t really have to deal with “crunches” very often but when we do it’s at absolute most a Month but usually about a week or two. I’m lucky as hell.