The Curious Case of Magnet-shroom

[@koalapvz]

The lack of zombies in PvZ2 that it affects shocked me. iirc just about every zombie in PvZ1 with a metallic object would be shut down by magnet shroom. But as you displayed there are a bunch of zombies with clearly metal objects that aren't affected. I guess I never knew all this stuff because I couldn't be bothered to use the plant to begin with which is a sentiment I reckon many others have

[@razRBLX]

hi koala

[@justafurrywithinternet317]

I agree. Why does it not affect football zombie?

[@Bofa_]

​@@justafurrywithinternet317 IT WHAT

[@MrEditss2.0]

@@justafurrywithinternet317 i think bc its helmet doesnt protect it anymore

[@Joosher56]

@@justafurrywithinternet317 I’m pretty sure the helmet is supposed to be plastic in pvz2

[@epicgamerzfail4575]

Magnet shroom not working for like half of the magnetic zombies in the game I think highlights a bigger problem where a lot of plants are designed only with their world in mind, and don't have much interaction with stuff outside their world, even when it would make sense.

[@gammaf1365]

infinut the ultimate plant

[@MustacheOnMars9]

I agree and disagree at the same time. While yes, there are quite a number of plants in both PvZ1 and PvZ2 that seem to be made with their world specifically in mind and nothing else (Sea Shroom, Plantern and Perfume Shroom come to mind), there's also quite a lot of instances where this doesn't happen and a plant has surprisingly quite a few interactions with other worlds, even when you don't expect it to. Such as: - Cabbage Pult, Kernal Pult, Melon Pult and Winter Melon (PvZ1): Can directly attack Snorkels, Ladders, Screen Doors and Newspaper Zombies without attacking their shields first/needing Snorkel to be chewing. - Spikeweed (PvZ1): Can pop Catapult Zombie tires, even though this would only happen in Survival which is the only instance where Catapult is not on the Roof where Spikeweeds/rocks cannot be used. - EM Peach: Stuns Bulls and Bull Legends in Wild West - Rotobaga: Can fly over water in Big Wave Beach. In fact it feels that Rotobaga was made more for BWB in mind than it's homeworld FC. - Hot Potato: Can melt Octopodes - Blover: Can blow away other flying zombies in other worlds such as Seagulls, Balloons, Swashbucklers, etc. It even has a weakness in Lost City where Lost Pilots and Lost Passengers will fall of their parachutes sooner when Blover blows. It also synergises with Dandelion where Dandelion will release all of her petal bombs in one go. - Chard Guard and Primal Peashooter: Can be effective in boardless lanes in Pirate Seas, knocking zombies back will push them overboard into the water. So, yeah. It's very inconsistant on whether plants will work well in other worlds or not.

[@impossiblehanley2732]

@@MustacheOnMars9 there are plants you didn't mention that are greatly hindered by their world-locked design. Instead, you choose to mention plants that literally nobody would even mention. -Kernel-pult: The main use of Kernel-pult is not to ignore the roof, that's just because it's a Cabbage-pult variant. It's for support. -Winter/Melon-pult: Same as Kernel-pult. -Spikeweed: Do you really only use Spikeweeds to pop Zombonis? That's stupid. -Rotobaga/Chard Guard/Primal Peashooter: This one is the stupidest. None of those plants counter anything in their own worlds. Might as well say "but sunflower works outside of the day stage and the tutorial".

[@himedo1512]

@@impossiblehanley2732 someone just outed themselves as shit at pvz1. Kernelpults butter is really good and melonpult is one of the highest damage plants in the game, and wintermelon is even stronger.

[@peckypork]

@@himedo1512 bro do you even read? How tf did you misread that person's comment?

[@watervssodies]

Reminds me of how angry i was that EMPeach didnt turn off Boombox zombie’s boombox or the arcade machine. They are quite literally machines in the same way that the far future ones are. Its really a shame to see how poorly old plants were treated whenever new content came out.

[@loogi_is_die]

It was 7 years ago

[@byronlee991017]

@@loogi_is_die I mean, magnet shrooms can take punk zombies head and they were years apart... it's not that hard to program that

[@loogi_is_die]

@@byronlee991017 I'm referring to the fact he said when new content came out when he was talking about neon mixtape

[@Narvalo_Lastar]

@@loogi_is_die He said "whenever new content came out" so when neon mixtape came out, EMPeach was treated poorly

[@loogi_is_die]

@@Narvalo_Lastar neon mixtape is 7 years old so it's not new, that's my point i use found tha funny

[@kaijurider5153]

My personal thoughts on Magnet Shroom is that it was a Leftover from the first game that was nerfed unnecessarily much. I remember that in pvz 1 it was one of the plants I'd always have a row of, somewhere right behind my wallnuts usually. It shutdown problems like prospector, ladders, footballs, and let you save your one-shotters for the bigger problems like the gargantuars

[@impossiblehanley2732]

Magnet shroom was buffed though. The problem is that it only affects 4 zombies on PvZ2.

[@laytonjr6601]

@@impossiblehanley2732 The fact that it doesn't affect as many zombies can be considered a nerf

[@impossiblehanley2732]

@@laytonjr6601 no, that's not a nerf. A nerf would like making the pogo or the jack-in-the-box zombies not affected by it.

[@brunobruno-c1d]

@@impossiblehanley2732 informal: cause to be weak or ineffective. "the constant zone running nerfed Michigan's pass rush" the small number of pvz2 zombies that can be affected by it, indeed would fit the definition of a nerf - its both weak and ineffective cause that just imagine the whole game was buffed in many ways, while the plant was left mostly the same, in a way its nerfed they didnt actually make it weaker, but the world around it made it weaker anyway, to the point nearly no one uses it

[@Geothermal1159]

But Magnet Shrooms was also literally nerfed in the way that it can no longer steal football/all star zombies helmet when it used to be able to do that in the first game.

[@GNVS300]

He’s still the best Dark Ages plant IMO but I think he’s a lot better on the first game as there he counters pretty much every tough zombie but on PVZ2 he’s limited to headwear and Punk Zombie. His plant food is pretty cracked in levels with lots of armoured zombies though, but then again, Shadow Shroom exists

[@74jparralel38]

true, i would only put 2 or 3 magnets shrooms because you dont need that many

[@Telogor]

"Best Dark Ages plant" when Sun Shroom and Fume Shroom exist? Not likely.

[@GNVS300]

@@Telogor Fume Shroom is basically just Laser Bean with less range (still great though), and Sun Shroom is extremely overrated. Broken in Arena and Endless when you can boost him straightaway to get tons of sun but his sun production is way too low at the beginning in most levels, I don't see why he would be useful in Adventure outside of Dark Ages. With the amount of zombies thrown at you in later worlds, his sun production won't be able to keep up with hordes the way Reg, Primal and possibly Moonflower could

[@angtienvinh3087]

puff shroom free, quick recharge enough DPS to take a basic down can carry early game easily can be use as a meat shield the reason modern day is beatable without sun producer and you say magnet is better than him?

[@10thDoctorWhoovez]

@@GNVS300 I really agree with your point with SunShroom. With how fast paced PvZ2 levels are, 10 SunShrooms won't be able to fully grow at the end of the game.

[@boi16hyper16]

Fun fact: If the Excavator Zombie's shovel is actually made of gold, the Magnet-Shroom wouldn't be able to take it bc Gold in real life isn't magnetic. Then again, the punk zombie's piercings are magnetic even though most metals that are used to make piercings (Titanium, Platinum, Gold, and Silver) aren't magnetic.

[@mdb45424]

magnets only work on ferrous metals. so mostly iron, stuff made with iron and other magnets. for the punk zombie steel peirceings are popular with guys so that make sense

[@boi16hyper16]

@@mdb45424 oh that makes sense

[@happygav123]

Also, there is a chance that Jurassic Buckethead Zombie's bucket rock is a magnetic rock, and can be attracted by Magnet Shroom. The sane would apply to Frostbite Caves Buckethead Zombie, whose bucket is also a rock.

[@Skaetbull]

However it gets weirder if we talk about robots in far future

[@christianthomas8069]

Honestly thought that it worked on Punk zombie specifically because of the term “Metal head”

[@matt7399]

I always thought it was interesting how the magnet-shroom and the blover swapped in their strengths between the original and the sequel. They're both situational plants that only work on specific zombie types. Magnet-shroom was real good in the original, however blover was unfortunately very limited in what it did and it's 100 sun price tag and slower recharge didn't do it any favors. Then comes PvZ2 and while the magnet-shroom barely affects any zombies anymore, the blover is now the GOAT being able to insta-kill any zombies that are even just an inch off the ground (or even the entire screen at once back in older versions) for half the price and a very fast recharge.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

Wotchu talking about? Blower is a GOAT in PvZ1, better spend 100 sun once in a while instead of wasting an entire column just to plant cactus

[@MultiCool55]

@@danielsurvivor1372 And also gets rid of the fog for awhile, I never used planturn because of blover lol

[@tomasbeltran04050]

@@danielsurvivor1372 cattail demolishes it in all non-fog levels.

[@Tyranitar.]

@@danielsurvivor1372 “better than cactus” is a low bar

[@CozmicRealities]

To show Just how under designed Magnet-Shroom is, when I was flaying PvZ2 a few years ago I would encounter a zombie and just go "Magnet-Shroom would probably be good at this because ____" and all of the zombies I felt that way with wasn't affected at all.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

I felt the same about EMPeach too. It was supposed to disable every electronics in the affected range yet it can't do a single thing to boombox zombies and arcade zombies. Both of the two ultiliy plants have so much wasted potential.

[@pizza5658]

The main reason I don’t use it is because eventually, the plants you have will be powerful enough that you end up destroying the metal before the magnet shroom even can destroy it.

[@zachduperron8543]

That is the exact same conclusion I came to

[@cardboardtoaster2169]

Shadow shroom

[@Exshem]

Only time I ever use Magnet shroom is on Penny Pursuits, especially at higher levels where my low level plants struggle to handle coneheads. Still quite a shame Popcap could have improved the zombie diversity being available for Magnet shroom to counterplay with. And I think All Star helmet not being magnetic could be their plan, as a fully plastic one isn't out of the question, thus explaining the removal of its interacton While I do think Acidic Citrus has a nice gimmick, I am expecting more on fire-based plants to handle plastic armor, and winter plants deal less damage to metallic ones ( since metal hardens when given a cold treatment ).

[@660nj]

This is something I hadn't even considered, though if even fire plants could do twice as much to armor it'd make Magnet really redundant

[@mif_sovremennosty]

Hmm... I think zombies should freeze and get damage from cold... so zombies with metal should die faster

[@heheheiamasuperstarwarrior9281]

Ooh, that's a good idea, I'll have to keep that in mind now that the lost city hocus crocus thing is over

[@leon--osseusii4664]

magnet shroom was litterarly a silencer plant in pvz1( like kingdom rush for example) as it compleetly removed this or that gimmick of a zombie meaning that other plants that were countered by this zombie where still viable and it got rid of the problem of baisically bringing every counter plants to every zombie that had one counter, this would've synegised well with plants like walls that got absolutly demolished by gimmick zombies and also softened them up for low dps cheap alternative plants to finnish them off, honestly the combinations would've been endless and insentivised us to use other plants more, it's kinda veird how some internationall silencer plant wasn't in a game where hundreds of different plants and zombies were prenent as it could've helped some plants to not be so outclassed by some counter zombies....

[@ThatBeePerson]

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[@ANightDazingZoroark]

i feel so bad for magnet shroom. hes really decent in pvz 1 against many of the dangerous zombies like the jack in the box or ladder zombies but in pvz 2 i cant think of something that it can deal with effectively besides bucketheads and king zombies. popcap did him dirty

[@gdmalin7128]

Also pogo zombies if you didn't use tall nut

[@Qiibli]

punk rock i hate punk rock he just kicks the plants around and i like using bonk choy and a wall not even bonk choy just a wall also endangered plants

[@MarioSantos-zx4bj]

The whole robot world, all of it. Like what, are you telling me they are all gold? Silver?

[@MB32904]

what I find so sad is the severe lack of mortar mushrooms in both games I mean in pvz1, sure, it's stopped updating, so nothing can happen anymore but in pvz2, they're still adding plants. I don't see how they don't know about this niche that should obviously be filled, I mean they don't even add sea shroom, for goodness sake!

[@MB32904]

@Scratchy the only reason it was shit in pvz1 was because of it's recharge time. EA could change it to be equivalent to puff shroom's in PVZ2 & boom.

[@Muhammad_Nuruddin]

@@MB32904 Here we go again. Everyone who thinks 'EA bad, PopCap good' doesn't know the difference between a publisher and a developer. PopCap is the one making the decisions in this game.

[@MB32904]

@@Muhammad_Nuruddin what? I never said anything about EA being greedy or incompetent, but at least you told me something. something that, in hindsight, I knew, & for some stupid reason, I said EA

[@heheheiamasuperstarwarrior9281]

Ehhh sea shroom was... Bad... It was 25 sun, had a pretty long recharge if i remember correctly and it was literally just a puff shroom you could only put in water, and there is a mortar mushroom in pvz2, the spore shroom unlocked in neon mixtape tour

[@heheheiamasuperstarwarrior9281]

@Scratchy huh i could've sworn it was 25, anyway yeah now that i know it was actually 0 it 100% had a long recharge

[@chosen_one.666]

Magnet Shroom against high level zombies from Penny's Pursuit is really overpowered. If you're playing Penny's Pursuit and you have level 3 - 4 plants and you're going against level 9 - 11 zombies, then magnet shroom is almost always your first go to plant to pick since magnet shroom essentially wipes out approximately 85% of any bucket head zombie's toughness, regardless of their level. Magnet Shroom is also really good against the pretty common (in Penny's Pursuit) Centurion Zombies too, since Magnet Shroom can also steal their galea helmets. Also this is just my opinion, there are probably people who have already said something like this (i'm not reading other comments at the moment).

[@hansate]

When Magnet-shroom said "It's magnin' time" I bursted into tears. So inspiring!!!

[@TurkishReeves]

My god, these again.

[@crispybacon2]

These jokes are like the bane of my existence

[@i_aint_andrew]

This joke isn't funny anymore

[@KrisPBacon69]

@@crispybacon2 I freaked out when I saw this comment because I don't remember commenting in this particular comment section lmaoo, thought I got hacked or something, but we just happen to have exactly the same name and pfp

[@Just-a-random-guy.]

Magnet shroom made magillion dollars in the Dark Ages!!!

[@enlongjones2394]

Dang. Magnet was so nice in the first game. It could de-armor stuff, but you could also disable pogo zombies, prevent diggers from tunneling, and remove the ladders from ladder zombies (before AND after they placed the ladder on a plant). In harder modes, it was a great way to take out zombies that would otherwise get around defensive plants or over attackers.

[@MMYpvzh]

It's such an easy plant to buff up too... Just give my man his abilities back, he deserves it all.

[@sriiraamgeevan930]

I think the only way to push the armor removal gimmick and make magnet meta is by reducing the recharge/ make it instant recharge or pull multiple armor then recharge

[@katifis27-levyoftheabyss98]

Tbh I always imagined the Jurassic Buckethead’s rock to have iron deposits in it which is why Magnet Shroom affects it

[@Qiibli]

i mean true but also its a buckethead soooooo yea if it didnt work people would be mad if it didnt they still would be

[@thepizzaman6310]

The saddest thing is that on my first playthrough, I never used magnet, even in dark ages, unless I was forced to. There was just no good reason to bring it instaid of, say, melon or repeater. Or iceberg and chard.

[@AceFuzzLord]

1. Magnet shroom is probably the most underwhelming support plant I can think of that you get from adventure mode 2. Acidic Citrus also interacts with the BWB water by turning it yellow and probably acidic when the plant food is used 3. Although a lot of the exclusive plants from PVZ2 Chinese edition are overpowered and would completely break any sense of balance, I think bringing plants like the asparagus machine gunner to the international version would be cool, even if it would be outclassed by other plants. Same with cool concept plants like the wax gourd or card throwing magic mushroom or even cryoshroom. With enough work you definitely could bring those over and make them useable in a fun way, especially acidic citrus. I used to use the lemon quite a bit when the arena came to the Chinese edition because I didn't really have much better plants and had that one specifically high enough that it was decent enough to make me win on the lower tiers fairly consistently if I wasn't going up against a p2w player with all maxed out plants

[@DrPootis]

Its sad how a plant like magnet shroom isn't really good outside of its home area. I wish it were like infinut where it could counter very problematic zombies in multiple areas of the game ontop of being a good wall.

[@inkygrimmananas4928]

okay, I always go off about it, but Magnet-shroom has became one of favourite plants just because how adorable it is, he just looks so happy for some reason and because of that I use him anytime I have free seed slot in my strategy I'm that weird person that chooses their stragety partly on the design of the plants

[@phantom_jay13]

love magnet as a concept, and especially in pvz1. I mean you could neuter several zombies. Screen door, pogo, miner, and ladder had their abilities removed. Even just football and buckets armor removal was better as there wasnt really any major threats asides from the general hoard. You had a few that could get past defenses but that was often disruptive more than threats. meanwhile in pvz2 you have more threats and more disruptions. Dinos, lots of plant movements, potions, torquise skull, torches, barrels, pianos. Definitely should have more objects affected by magnet shroom. Excavators ofc being prime examples. footballs being back in there too. maybe the exploding labtop from Penny's Pursuit. Maybe have it disrupt shield robo's shield and/or arcade cabinet's spawning. And ofc surprised they didnt bring back more retros. Also personally fine with jurrassic being immune to magnet. not like your need it there.

[@mq8858]

Magnet shroom was so helpful in PvZ1 as a support plant. PvZ2 has so many more supports, and of course Magnet shroom just falls behind, especially because it is not only a weaker version of it's PvZ1 self, but overall both plants/zombies have grown in the arms race of power. Basics now have a 4th stage, which only the Dark Ages version works with Magnet shroom. Obviously, one way to fix it is to add more interactions, more things to take away from zombies, but I have another idea. The large robots in Far Future get pushed back by magnet shroom, possibly taking damage as well (like, from bolts flying out and such). This slows their march, and if they get EMPeached, pushes them back. 1 Magnet can push 1 machine at a time, and if it pulls something it stops pushing. What's really important, though, is at least fixing the metal objects already in game. Maybe a mod will? I trust modmakers more than modern Popcap...

[@GaminGuy_]

its kinda weird how magnet shroom only affects 4 zombies, which is even less than in the first game where it could affect 7 of them

[@thatsaladprophet7051]

The overanalizing every zombie and plant series by flag zombie is a great way to learn all about the Chinese exclusive stuff.

[@patrovich]

To make things worse, a level 3 acidic citrus does not only deal more damage to metal and cones, but also EVERY ZOMBIE IN THE GAME

[@alphaundpinsel2431]

a quirk of the Chinese version, "want to do a fuck load of damage to everything? try microtransactions and level up your plant!"

[@mr.jitterspam9552]

​@@alphaundpinsel2431fr

[@Asdiqe]

@@alphaundpinsel2431its free but okay

[@Green24152]

​@@alphaundpinsel2431That also applies to international, except that the plants don't gain any new abilities and just have their stats buffed until you get a 25 sun Peashooter that 1-shots a Garg and has more health than Tall-nut.

[@togarashi6437]

I haven't thought of this until very recently, but there is a plant in pvz2 that can remove their gimmicks, that being Imp Pear, which not only neutralizes zombies but reduces their health to 190, the same as an Imp. (I know it was added 5 years after Magnet) It's a shame too because there just really needed more thought around Magnet's surroundings and there is a plant that can do just that, although it is overtuned.

[@adweck]

Magnet-shroom

[@660nj]

Magnet-shroom

[@gofindadecentname7559]

Magnet-shroom

[@LeoBezan]

Magnet-shroom

[@peanutputter2690]

Magnet-shroom

[@xploitcat]

Magnet-shroom

[@whisperjas]

Awesome video and great analysis! Loving these videos : )

[@unavailities]

Magnet-shroom

[@whisperjas]

@@unavailities Yes, Magnet Shroom.

[@Jann75]

@Scratchy Shroom of Magnet

[@xploitcat]

Magnet shroom doesn't even make sense for being a plant, as it has its eyes on the magnet itself, the none 'plant' part (I said plant in quotes because mushrooms aren't actually plants). The magnet and shroom are only connected by sitting on top of it.

[@unavailities]

Magnet-shroom

[@Haystack_]

For all we know the magnet is organic and part of the fungus

[@lgflbrandyascognac]

I initially thought the magnet and the shroom were both living

[@D-S-G.]

I feel like Magnet Shroom should have had some sort of effect when it comes to machines in Far Future. I left pvz scene a long time ago, so im sorry if this is wrong, but it could have been a mini stun, kinda like the newer levitator plant. It wouldnt be good to the point Magnet shroom becomes needed in Far Future, but just a little gimmick.

[@ksawerx9277]

"it's a unique ability that no other plant has" watch popcap add another plant that reacts to metal. They made tomb tangler so they can make a magnet Shroom 2.0

[@spaghettiisyummy.3623]

Plant idea: Mugshroom. It mugs the Zombies. It'll get arrested after 3 muggings. Recharge: 8.5 Seconds. Sun Cost: 75. Description: He is wanted in 197 Countries.

[@spaghettiisyummy.3623]

@ScratchyElaborate, please!

[@spaghettiisyummy.3623]

@Scratchy Oh, Ok.....

[@TheRealBlazingDiamond]

it's kinda like how they nerfed spikeweed and lobbing plants. They used to ignore the shields that certain zombies had in PVZ1, like the screendoor, the newspaper, etc. But in PVZ2, one of the returning zombies is the newspaper zombie, who got buffed to turn into a rabid killing machine who runs at mach 3, whereas in the first game, he wasnt anything to worry about, so there wasn't really a need to ignore his newspaper shield. In PVZ2, you don't want him to get angry or else he tears through your defenses, and has a lot of health even without his newspaper, so what do you do? Plant spikeweeds and catapults! Except no, that doesn't work anymore, those eat away at his newspaper. It's just so stupid that they did this, man

[@DesperateDirt]

Yeah this video really put it well. I've used Magnet a lot in PvZ1 but in PvZ2 I barely ever use him outside of Dark Ages and some NMT levels. Would really like to see them buff him at some point to grab more things.

[@only1cyrus]

magnet shroom was always my favorite plant its sad to see that popcap kind of forgotten about it and it didnt get the buff it deserves im honestly still sad tho

[@ripernew7272]

There’s another reason to why magnet shroom isn’t a interesting support plant, bucket heads aren’t even the hardest type of armor that normal zombies can have anymore, just look at pyramid-heads, block-heads, fossil heads and brick head, they are considerably stronger than the bucket heads , making the basic function of magnet shroom not only more specific but also worse.

[@StanleyG23]

3:43 the animation technically wasn't unused since it was possible to break Excavator Zombie's Shovel (even if it had a ridiculous amount of HP). However, I agree that Magnet Shroom should've been able to to take his shovel.

[@ahuman32478]

Magnetshroom is a great supporter for the magnifying grass - sun shroom combo. For 100 sun, you can get rid of bucketheads, which reduces the sun needed to kill them by 100

[@legus4861]

Honestly, I feel like Spore-Shroom is a really nice idea that just... Doesn't work. The zombie needs to be killed by it. The tile has to be empty. It doesn't deal a lot of damage in quick succession or precise big damage that you can control (Which is why no matter what Citron gets outclassed by Coconut Cannon and such) by itself. If there's a Spore-Shroom clone on tile, partially eaten, it won't get healed by its' mechanic of spawning a Spore-Shroom on tile. Yeah.... Too many "If"s to happen.

[@user-tzzglsstle585e38]

magnet

[@kSevinVII]

fun to use also this video is about magnet shroom lol

[@GNVS300]

My issue with Spore Shroom is that he's only really good if he's the ONLY offensive plant you're using

[@butternut3726]

Maybe it could be something like,Spore-shroom applied an effect on zombies he hits,if a zombie does while the effect is on them from any source, it summons a Spore-shroom. Similar to the Mother Witch from Clash Royale.

[@kSevinVII]

@@butternut3726 way too op considering you can even get sporeshroom to work on bwb

[@leandromiguel4481]

You know what plant I would like to see , Celery Stalker

[@paul_particularlyunhappynut]

me too, celery stalker is strong but it takes a lot of skill to use

[@sirdragonmoon7092]

Acid lemon was my favorite china version exclusive. I got it to level 4 cause it was so good, level 2 not only does extra damage to coneheads but also makes it fire twice, level 3 majes it fire 3 times and corrodes regular zombies (which means each damage does double for all zombies and gets hits 3 times each time it shoots). His plant food effect was good cause it was acid rain that affected all the board, however I believe it didnt stack so if you had 2 lemons using the plant food attack at the same time it wouldnt last longer or do extra damage. But considering that at level 3 you had a 125 plant that shoots 3 times and does extra damage to all sombies you knew it was incredible. I dont fully recall what the costume did but I did have the costum unlocked for him. (Think he just lasted 1 more second during acid rain)

[@fanndx]

Aside from that not much zombies has interaction with Magnet-shroom, i just don't use it since it's ability is contradicting with another plant' ability; Sun Bean, which you wouldn't make much sun if the armor being removed

[@wootwoot3391]

Before the recognition of magnet shroom one of the version of pvz2, pancho wasnt even affect by the magnet shroom. And i was like very confuse, “pancho has a metal but doesnt attract the magnet shroom? How does that even make sense?!”

[@An_Actual_Fish]

U mean my favorite plant in the game? LITTTERALY the cutest thing

[@FrozenLeafArts]

Babe wake up,660nj just uploaded a new video

[@the_godbodor7026]

All I can say about Magnet-Shroom is “PopCap, look how you’ve massacred my boy!” I love Magnet-Shroom and seeing how much it was just…forgotten in 2 really hurts my soul

[@yuridc1780]

i think another problem is magnet-shrooms range, you sacrifice space on the frontlines just to remove buckets, and extra punk, poncho, and helmets. if you can afford to put magnet shroom and waste a seed slot for it, you should have a better option to deal with the buckets in the first place. What if he has unlimited range but extremely long seed recharge or magnet cooldown? replace one or a couple of sun producers with magnets and you can deal with the metals without sacrificing space for your offensive and defensive plants. although this has a problem with thw game itself, and that is plants contesting each other for the seed slots than finding their specialty to settle in and be a worthy plant when their opportunity comes in or simply make every plants specialty remarkable and experienced on levels against zombies, while the zombies in each world is mostly all about swarming you are creating chaos and pressure which may make sense for a zombie but damages the game itself and gameplay. i wish the zombies are more coordinated or balanced properly to fit their rank, a gargantuar should be the third strongest enemy just before minibosses/special bosses and the doctor himself, yet the gargantuar has low hp for its rank and easily countered often with annoying abilities while special zombies like the mic zombie and shovel being dominating and annoying than a contender that makes the world and experience different, special, and fun.

[@vasatria]

nothing will change the fact that magnet shroom is still the coolest and drippiest plant for me since pvz1

[@hollowknightfan5938]

Dude how do you make such amazing content so fast Literally a god

[@bakes1324]

Ya it’s really dumb that excavator zombie isn’t affected and that the ladder zombie not returning also doesn’t help

[@Sp3ctralI]

This is similar to how they left out Umbrella Leaf, which could’ve been utilized extremely well in big wave beach (you know…beach umbrella?)

[@sailorenthusiast]

While magnetshroom had a small number of zombies it could affect in PvZ1, the game itself had a relatively small roster of zombies to deal with compared to PvZ2, so magnetshroom’s niche ended up being quite valuable in a lot of cases. It’s a real shame that it’s niche got nerfed hard by its lack of interactions in PvZ2.

[@cormacmccarthy1889]

Magnet shroom CAN take: Buckethead's bucket Punk's head Yeti's head Poncho's grate when he has it Knight and Centurion's helmets Carnie Imp's helmet How I think I can buff magnetshroom by making it take: Excavator's shovel (duh) Fisherman's fishing hook Gladiator Gargantuar's helmet Boombox's boombox Bull's head Taking Bug Bot Imp and eventually killing it Chicken Wrangler's barbed wire in which he encases Chickens (and therefore stopping the Chickens from spawning) Maybe some other things, reply to this if you have any ideas

[@LeonardoMartins-md9xn]

I used magnetshroom on that Penny's pursuit with Circus theme boss and was really good there but i agree that it's too niche for most scenarios.

[@chargegarg8234]

Vid about coconut cannon would be fun to see

[@hatster401]

my right ear really enjoys this video

[@waluigiisthebest2802]

Magnet shroom is like the opposite of blover. Blover is only good against fog and ballon zombies in PvZ 1, but it is cheaper, and a lot more zombies are weak to blover in pv2, and can destroy knocked back zombies. Magnet shroom is good in the first game, as there are many zombies weak to it, but most of them were not brought back for pvz2, and very few were added.

[@Barakon]

Acidic citrus should be renamed to lemonaid. ;3

[@deRykcihC]

in pvz2 u have so much to care other than sucking metals, so many unique zombies that oneshot or ignores some kind of mechanic

[@Stanfordscienceman]

I’m just gonna say it Magnet shroom should have worked off the thing of magnets fucking with technology by having things like arcade machines or boomboxes get weakened or disabled when it’s nearby

[@Liverator]

I've only used Magnet Shroom in mods, where his stats were reworked and his range of pullable objects was increased.

[@dovahkat9635]

I remember several years ago when I was playing through the lost city levels for the first time, I saw excavator and thought "This looks like a perfect place for magnet shroom" only to be baffled as this lad with an indestructible shovel just doesn't care. They did magnet shroom dirty in this game.

[@ssneakyandfriends1626]

I' like to see more flying/(semi-)aquatic plants, ether that be entirely new ones or ones from the ch. version. out of all of the plants there are only 6 to my knowledge (ones lillypr so theres technicaly 5). solar sage isn't even one. it clearly floats. that would've made BWB sooooo much easier to complete without Lilly pad

[@springd5318]

In pvz1 magnet-shroom beat the s##t out of bucketheads,football zombies,doorzombies,pogo zombies,jack-in-the-box zombies,excavator zombies and ladder zombies. It was very versatile and it was a counter for really annoying zombies. But in pvz2 only counters high Heath zombies that you can kill with insta plants.

[@thedutchgamelife6264]

Seeing you mention the zombies i used to hate the most, its sad they didnt get a chance in pvz2. They were fun enemies despite being a pain to deal with

[@kontrol3401]

List of zombies magnet shroom could effect but doesn't (not including those shown in the video) -Mecha garg -All far future mechs -Ra Zombie -Sarcophagus zombie -Zombie Bull -Barrel Roller -Mummified Garg -Arcade Machine Zombie

[@paul_particularlyunhappynut]

even though some of these aren't metal like sarcophagus or barrel I 100% wouldn't mind if it did take away these things

[@Muhammad_Nuruddin]

- Excavator's shovel - Rodeo garg's brand shtick - McZombie's microphone - Cart head zombie - Treasure Yeti - Jetpack zombie - Glitter zombie's rollerskates - Boombox zombie's boombox - Hair metal garg's guitar - Cardio zombie's treadmill - Z-mech - Roman shield zombie - Healer zombie's staff - Zcorp helpdesk's laptop

[@larrymantic2635]

Fret not, fellow Magnet-Shroom fans, because the upcoming Nutcracker Zombie has Magnet-Shroom as a weakness!

[@thedutchgamelife6264]

One of my favorite pvz zombies were the door zombies. It had a unique type of weakness and defense, making you think about your choice. While i agree it doesn’t fit in most worlds, it could work in modern day. Yes, there are a lot of better choices, but thats the point of the game!

[@PixelShiftss]

Magnet-Shroom was always my favorite plant in the original and in 2, I just really like it’s design and ability, even if it’s nothing special in PVZ2z

[@jackjones2454]

If magnet shroom was given a buff so that it could affect more zombie types across all worlds, I bet it would become very popular very quickly, imagine if in far future you could rip some metal parts off of any of the robots they send at you, crippling them in some way.

[@Sculler14]

As someone who has used acidic citrus ALOT, i can say its what magnet should have been, It makes it so that conehead and buckets useless

[@cetadel6597]

Zombies Magnet-Shroom should target: King Zombie- Magnet-shroom should yoink their scepter, it would help a lot and only need a small recolor. Excavator: Obviously. Imp Cannons: It'd be cool if Imp Cannons got shut down, their imp unloaded, etc. Football: Stop its charge with a quick redirect? Fisherman: Has a metal hook, could stun the zombie for a while. basically all the Neon Mixtape Tour zombies: Actually, do I need to explain this? (Also, Arcade Zombie's arcade should get scrambled by it. So should Office Worker's phone.) Bull Rider: The bull's nose literally has a metal nose ring.

[@DannyCheezits]

why spend an entire seed slot and a couple tiles deleting buckets from bucketheads when having 2 columns of repeaters and an infinut / column of primal wallnut in the front is always enough to beat a level

[@mikeobannion2129]

Congrats on the 14k subscribers

[@lebollsong]

I've been thinking of a magnet shroom use and I'm thinking of making it immobilize mechs for a few seconds.

[@Amalgam03]

I feel like some sort of slowness effect on mechs from the far future could have been an interesting bonus effect and give it more niches.

[@xenxander]

It's just PopCap not giving a fuck about their own plants, and just trying to sell you more plants. Let's just be honest with this.

[@660nj]

Not when this was released. I wouldn't say that's the case until 2017, and adventure mode was completed in early 2016

[@BardiiaOmega]

It looks cool, and it does cool thing, so it's cool.

[@Jarczenko]

My left ear loves this video Which editing/recording software do you use? You sure that pan is on 0.0/center? Even if there's problem with microphone recording you can easily balance it using editing software.

[@660nj]

the thing with my mic is that it's perfectly balanced for some headphones and completely screwed up for others

[@Mattyzer0]

Magnet shroom is similar to homing thistle in that it has 0 self preservation whatsoever, even worse than homing thistle as it doesnt actually kill any zombies. This is made even worse by the fact that you have to place it relatively close to the zombies as it has a range. It'll definitely fare much better if it can affect more zombies and this may be a bit controversial but i think itll do better if its range is changed to a single lane but for the full lawn.

[@mofvu]

Ah good timing, i was about to open e6

[@unavailities]

Magnet-shroom

[@whisperjas]

LOL???

[@mofvu]

@@unavailities Magnet-shroom

[@monkeyman3257]

Magnets shroom is great in neon mixtape tour, as it definitely spams bucket heads and it makes punk zombies just not a problem

[@paul_particularlyunhappynut]

I 100% agree with the missed opportunity section. It really needs a buff where it effects more zombies. IMO it should also take away all types of brickhead zombies (not just knight and poncho) and should do something to far future zombies (idk, like stun conebots and mecha-footballs for a small cooldown kind of like em-peach. Like c'mon, they're all metal so it should do _something_ ) I think it would be an amazing counter-tool plants to a lot of zombies, just like in pvz1 while stilling being niche and not OP

[@mystrallsnowlight]

I must say Magnet-Shroom have good potent but never been taken seriously for example aside on the video: > Strip percentage of HP on giant robot zombie, +Bull Zombie (except Imp Drone, Jetpack Zombie and Garg Prime) > Pull Zombie, Immobilized it for 10 Seconds, then convert them to basic version if not killed in 10 seconds (Jetpack Zombie + Drone) > Render Arcade machine to unable to summon pixel zombie if it placed adjacent with magnet. because CRT TV break if it too close with magnet > Stop entirely or triple the Fisherman zombie's hook pull duration > Break that Imp-on-barrel from Pirate Era (because they strip the iron connector?)

[@-adolfo-]

I still find it funny how Magnet shroom can grab the bucket from the Primal zombie

[@Padeiro_Igno]

"Jurassic Ages" *thinks for a second* "...What?"

[@Shmoreo]

swagnet shroom moment

[@liber2350]

I think magnet shroom would fit best if it was more expensive, being more of a sun tax (meaning you have to save up for longer, and spend more, both weakening your defense), as well as making the seed slot less usable. I think if it was a higher risk/reward, it would be a great plant.

[@impossiblehanley2732]

This is PvZ2, not 1.

[@xray8012]

The only reason Magnet Shroom existed in PvZ was to pull of Ladders, Picks, Screen Doors, Buckets, and Football helms, and Pogos. Except the only time Magnet Shroom is actually good is during Pogo Party and Column Like You See Em for the specific circumstances

[@magma_slime5642]

Wouldnt it be cool to have magnet-shroom take the kings crown disableing his ability to give peasant zombies knight helmets?

[@BramLastname]

As you said there's so many more items for the Magnet Shroom to take, But instead Screendoor, (Trash Can,) Jack-in-the-box, Ladder and Football zombies are no longer targets, And new zombies like Jetpack, Excavator, Ra Zombie, Cart-head, Rappers and boomboxes are all arbitrarily unaffected. Hell you could even make the case that a lot of the Gargantuars and zombies like the roller-skaters should be affected, But they evidently didn't want this plant to be useful in other worlds. In PvZ 1 being unaffected by magnetshroom was a buff, in PvZ2 it is the norm. Edit: I know it at least still works against Knights and Punks, But Ra and Excavator have no reason not to be targets too.

[@togarashi6437]

What benefit would taking Ra's staff have? If anything, the staff makes him weaker because whenever he takes sun, he stops for a good two seconds. And even then, you can counter him by just picking up sun. He doesn't lock the player from picking up sun. If he did, then Magnet should affect him.

[@BramLastname]

@@togarashi6437 Well it's more that because the shovel and staff are both golden, And you want the shovel to be taken, It only makes sense the staff would be taken too. But honestly they should've just kept the ladder and Screendoor Zombie, That would've made it already so much better.

[@tropicalbytsanity7845]

Honestly on the topic of PvZ China Why can’t they just add Sky City? Its the only good balanced world from the Chinese version, plus it already has the coding. Though there might be legal reasons they might not be added, or Popcap/EA is just Lazy

[@TheRamblemanWhoSings]

I always liked Magnet-shroom, but even in PVZ1 where it was at its best I rarely used it

[@colelynam6385]

Magnet Shroom can attract the following metal objects from zombies. 1.) Bucket 2.) Screen Door 3.) Football Helmet 4.) Jack-in-the-Box 5.) Pickaxe 6.) Pogo Stick 7.) Ladder 8.) Trash Can 9.) Metal Grate 10.) Knight Helmet 11.) Yeti Zombie’s head 12.) Punk Zombie’s head 13.) Goth Punk Zombie’s head

[@mobgabriel1767]

"i am the best at what i do but what i do is not needed" logan/james "magnet-shroom" howlett

[@MikhailAurellio]

5:18 wait what, he didn't eat the Magnet Shroom?

[@joannis46678]

The banana launcher killed him first

[@MikhailAurellio]

@@joannis46678 I mean why he didn't eat the Magnet Shroom while in air? That's weird

[@SnoFitzroy]

@@MikhailAurellio They don't attack until the swinging animation is done

[@MikhailAurellio]

@@SnoFitzroy Nah bro, they did... Have you ever seen a Pillot Zombies spawn and then they just start eating you plants immediately?

[@MikhailAurellio]

@@SnoFitzroy This is the proof 6:14

[@raystinger6261]

I've never played PvZ2, but in PvZ1 the bucket zombie was enough of a threat to justify magnet shroom.

[@petelee2477]

We have more options for bombs than doom shroom and cherry bomb. There is also a fertilizer mechanic that essentially acts as another bomb depending on the plant. Also we just have so many more zombies to watch out for. You can't use a seed slot to counter the 4 zombies magnet shroom is good for.