The Current Progress | Wind Waker: Unflooded

[@arcanine_enjoyer]

I love the idea of the railroad. A technology lost to the flood that revolutionized Hyrule, and then it was lost, until they discovered New Hyrule.

[@Sumire9287]

@Kromgar1337one of the mos underrated games. Very unique and I appreciate that

[@arcanine_enjoyer]

@Kromgar1337 Pun aside, that game and Phantom Hourglass NEED to be bundled into a more Wind Waker style remake, and hopefully before the successor of the Switch becomes the latest console from Nintendo.

[@1supermiguel]

@@arcanine_enjoyer I've been wishing for this for the longest time. Although they haven't yet brought Wind Waker HD or Twilight Princess HD to the Switch yet. It is my hopes that they do, before the Switch's end of life, and it'd be amazing to see a remake of Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks from there as well, but it'd definitely be a lot of work. So many DS mechanics they'd have to rework to work with the Switch. Like Skyward Sword HD except even harder, but I still hope it's possible someday. I also hope that a remake of Four Swords Adventures eventually makes it on to the Switch as well. It'd be the perfect game for the Switch, and it could even be remade in the Link's Awakening style. I'd also love if the Oracle games were remade in the same way as well. *Sigh.* So much lost potential! A man can only dream! 🥲

[@doggerlander]

You said it was lost twice

[@Kruegernator123]

A tie in to Spirit Tracks would be really great.

[@imoutofangs]

todays modders are tomorrows developers, amazing stuff dude

[@biggusdickus1689]

No kidding, Toby Fox for example started off as a modder for earthbound

[@AgnesBooth-zu7tw]

When developers follow a goal, did it right and didn't care about earning tons of money.

[@im1fadedRob]

@@AgnesBooth-zu7tw That still describes most game developers, just not the companies that employ them.

[@Tea_SR]

This is a 3D modeling project, not a mod.

[@POPCULTURETUBEX]

It would be a damn good mod...​@@Tea_SR

[@JKDrixter]

This project is looking amazing. I have a idea on what to make Star isle. Considering the name and history of the series, I feel like Star isle and a little of the surrounding area should be an observatory place where it also doubles as a research area to study Star fragments that have fallen down from the sky. And their could be like Star maps and tents everywhere.

[@windwakerhyrule]

ooh i like that

[@ethankline5336]

Neat idea!

[@babyminya539]

@@windwakerhyrule i think this gameplay as zeldafan want see want gameplay look like

[@RyzenZegend]

The island should start to flood after a while. During the slow flood there should be missions where link has to save people. Also there could be parts where link goes under water to retrieve items that can't be lost to time (Master Sword). Maybe even the Name should be called Wind waker The Flood or Lost Time. Great project regardless

[@cripnite]

Or something inspired by the STAR mini game from Twilight Princess

[@mariotaz]

Undoing the work of the gods; I like it

[@Flapjack3734]

Man’s doing god’s work

[@mariotaz]

@@Flapjack3734 lol

[@tomas_iss7469]

Literally (un)doing the god’s work (I know this is essentially your comment but I couldn’t miss the opportunity to play the common saying)

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

We can't expect the gods to undo all the work.

[@ProfessorXenoblade]

Knowing there are picto boxes in Wind Waker and just cameras in some of the Zelda games, it might be a cool idea to make a Hyrule Photo and Film Development Shop

[@windwakerhyrule]

good idea!

[@rmat9023]

I remember as a kid, getting to the part of windwaker where u are walking between Hyrule Castle and Gannon's Tower. and u can see so many things in the distance, in the background, and I was always like, I WANT TO EXPLORE MORE. But too bad, gannons tower u go

[@trajectoryunown]

For Bird's Peak Rock, few in-game details are given so you've got a lot of wiggle room. But if you look at the details of its inhabitants, we can gleam some details that might help guide you: 1) Its inhabitants include only Blue ChuChu, Seagulls, and Kargaroks. 2) Seagulls are ubiquitous in this branch of the timeline but only make 1 appearance for each of the other 2 branches: In Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening. 3) Kargaroks only exist in Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, which are _entirely_ separate branches. There's no precedent for their existence beyond the games they appear in. - In Wind Waker, Kargaroks are feathered and used as surveillance by Ganondorf and also as transport for his lesser minions like Moblins and Bokoblins. They're clearly utilized as part of Ganondorf's army. Furthermore, these birbs bear a striking resemblance to the Helmaroc King that kidnaps Link's sister and works directly under Ganondorf. - In Twilight Princess, Kargaroks are featherless. Their behavior suggests they are territorial beasts wild beasts rather than having any sort of overarching commander. (Absent the influence of Twilight, of course.) In terms of physical traits of the island itself: 1) The island is little more than large vertical pillars, an _abnormal_ land formation to say the least. 2) There is a cave entrance, blocked by a man-made gate. 3) Inside the cave is a man-made room with a hidden chest that requires the Wind Waker to reveal it. 4) That chest contains a Triforce Chart. 5) There is a wooden post affixed horizontally on the main island, further indicating someone had done some construction here. 6) There is a postbox, oddly enough. This seems to imply that whoever was there was present long enough to receive mail on a regular basis. 7) The Kargaroks have nests at the top of the pillars mentioned prior. 8) Also at the top of those pillars _in the middle of the nests_ are man-made crystals that operate as a switch for the gate that blocks entry to the island's cave. This could have only happened if the crystals existed _before_ the birbs showed up or there had to be compliance from the birds to put them there. My theory: The kingdom of Hyrule hid the Triforce Chart and sealed the gate. Then the birds then nested there naturally. After taking command of them, Ganondorf became aware of the chart from but couldn't recover it due to lacking the Wind Waker, so he stationed the Kargaroks there to deter anyone else from the area. (The Fishman claims that the gulls told him that the "golden Triumph Forks" are on the island. Rather, they said a map to them was. If the gulls can communicate that, I'm certain the Kargaroks are even more able to.) Because those Kargaroks are so territorial, no one person has settled the island. Only birds are there, apart from the lone Blue ChuChu. Hence, the name "Bird's Peak Rock". It belongs to the birds. BAM! Lore-friendly history of the island from in-game information. Hope that can help you in some way.

[@javiervasquez625]

2) Pretty sure seagulls appear at the end of the Oracle games Linked ending and the Wild duology so it's clear you haven't played either game. 5) Lol, a single sign was placed there ergo, that equates to "someone" having done _complex construction?_ All you find there is a chest puzzle involving hitting a few crystals in order to get said chest so i can't understand how you can make the leap of assuming there's "complex construction" on the island at play. 6) It's just a _post box,_ doesn't justify the confirmation bias that because a tiny island in the middle of the Great Sea has a magical post box able to teleport specific mail depending on the person recieving it (someone who can't realize the mail teleportation at play) that magically means it was for someone living there. 8) As stated above this island is nothing more than a mere puzzle to get the chest also kept in the island awaiting for the Hero to come and collect it without any sign or hint that the island was once populated by anyone aside from the kargaroks. It doesn't take a genius to realize this place is just gameplay-oriented for the player to collect items very much like _half the islands in the game._ You're taking it way too seriously with the confirmation bias to be making these leaps in cognitive dissonance. It was a fun read to be sure but please, give yourself time to do something more productive in the future.

[@AnotherDuck]

@@javiervasquez625 You missed the point. You're talking about assumptions and assertions, when the post you're responding to talks about indications and speculations. So you're off target there. Or strawmanning, pick your poison. If your argument is, "It's just for gameplay, bro," that's all you need to say and then everyone can ignore you. That argument is irrelevant when discussing potential in-game lore and trying to make sense of it from an in-game point of view. You talk about spending time to do something more useful, but apparently that doesn't apply to yourself, since you spent enough time to write all that for the sole purpose of refuting something you imply is unproductive. Pot calling the kettle black and all that.

[@javiervasquez625]

@@AnotherDuck _"You missed the point. You're talking about assumptions and assertions, when the post you're responding to talks about _*_indications_*_ and speculations."_ "Indications" which are dead inaccurate giving anyone, including myself, the right to correct said inaccuracies so as to spare potential readers from being mislead with false information. _"You talk about spending time to do something more useful, but apparently that doesn't apply to yourself, since you spent enough time to write all that for the sole purpose of refuting something you imply is unproductive. Pot calling the kettle black and all that."_ Likewise my dear self-contradictory friend.

[@AnotherDuck]

@@javiervasquez625 Good for you.

[@WusterWasti]

@@javiervasquez625 The problem is that Nintendo doesnt take the lore of Zelda seriously, so if we want to do a project like this we have to assume things. There will never be an absolute answer on what these islands were. Heck if you look at TotK you will see how little they cared about what happened to the world of Botw. its always gameplay over story and lore, but that doesnt mean we as fans have to life by these rules.

[@davepumphernickel9568]

It’s crazy knowing that this was Nintendos original plan to some degree to make an underwater hurdle you could travel too, or that they wanted to make a second game and never got around to it.

[@renbelmont]

I hold out hope that they'll still make one some day

[@Espartanica]

I'd love to see Hurdle revisited some day, too

[@thymosgd]

dude this is so unknow, this deserves so much recognition you are doing an amazing work dude

[@Arexsis]

Nintendo lawyers: "Kill this man"

[@shukawamura9042]

I wish the community would make a game with this map someday, I would want it so much

[@twilightyuki_]

Assuming this will eventually be playable, this is genuinely incredible; seeing this level of effort into a fan project is jaw-dropping and I love watching each video about updates as they come out. If it's not playable, it's still awesome seeing all of the work being put in to reimagine Hyrule as if it never flooded based upon knowledge from Hyrule Historia as well as custom interpretations.

[@Keanine]

I'd like to see a fully original dungeon entrance somewhere beneath the games water level, inspired by the fact that 2 dungeons from Wind Waker were cut due to time restraints. I don't know if there's any info out there as to what they would have been thematically, but that means it's a clean slate for creativity! You could take inspiration from how other games do their themed temples and dungeons, or go nuts and make something we haven't seen before!

[@CallMeNoa]

I really admire all your work, this is such a cool project. I've really enjoyed seeing it come together.

[@Zakading]

Man, this would be such an insanely cool total conversion mod for the game. Absolutely stunning project!

[@jacobjude6319]

Bird peak rocks gives off the feeling that there would be a dungeon under it

[@renbelmont]

I don't care if this ever gets beyond just being a model, all I wanna do is run around as link there. Doesn't even need quests I just wanna explore from his perspective

[@AndreasVNesje]

As a kid, something like this was my biggest wish when played Wind Waker. This looks great, keep up the good work! I have nothing useful to add, just wanted to say I appreciate this :)

[@MariaSky7579]

While it's saddening that this won't become a playable map, I still see potential, even seeing it being used in a WW ROM hack😊

[@brianmckinley4141]

I have no doubt someone will be inspired enough by the finished product to make it playable and possibly populate it with NPC's and monsters and such.

[@MorbidAnimosity]

I feel like HE most definitely cannot make it a playable thing, as this project would immediately... get nuked by nintendo. Someone else i could see definitely taking up the reigns

[@MariaSky7579]

@@MorbidAnimosity I faintly remember him confirming that the map won't be playable though I don't think it was because of the risk of getting in trouble with Nintendo but yeah, I can see it being of good use one way or another

[@MariaSky7579]

@@brianmckinley4141 Here's hoping that'll happen one day

[@SunJaycy]

if he releases the model or the blend files it could be done

[@frayrank1757]

This is something else man. I'm looking forward to the progress You will make. As a young Dude, I always wondered what WW Hyrule looked like.

[@slenderMax28]

Maybe this sounds like the easy way out, but I think it would make a lot of sense to fill some of the empty space with a few mountain ranges that span the peaks of those lone, small islands. If you take a look at BotW's map, there are lots of relatively small ridges that help break up the land into its different regions.

[@DANBAN119]

Idea for Star Island: Could be surrounded by a town themed around astronomy full of astral observatories, like the one building in Majora's mask.

[@aSuspiciousPickle]

This is actually insane. I've always loved the Wind Waker, super stoked for the end result. Thank you for your amazing work!

[@PadChennington]

this is so cool

[@nisus8]

This is SO FREAKING COOL. I've always wondered how one could perhaps fit together the various Hyrules seen in "Ocarina of Time," "The Wind Waker," and "Twilight Princess," in terms of a unified map/geography, and this project is scratching such an incredible itch for me. Keep up the great work!

[@zephyrlink7726]

Idc how long it takes you! Thanks for doing this, im ehading directly to your patreon. Keep it up man! Great job until now.

[@windwakerhyrule]

aw shucks!

[@forrestgump5283]

This. I am so excited about this project! You've got my support.

[@ixxnae]

would love to explore this map from the traditional Link perspective some day. WW is one of my favorite 3D Zelda and every time i get to the castle i long explore beyond the bubble. your work and the contributions of your community here is much appreciated. thank you!

[@slerplederp6655]

This is so awesome, I've been following for a while and love watching the progress of this project!

[@chuchuyeah3430]

Amazing progress! I love seeing these updates and am so amped to see the final project. Keep up the fantastic work!

[@zephiask1758]

Such an awesome project, i hope when its done someone or you are gonna make a port to VR-Chat so that we cann appreciate the entirety of your 3D Modeling project in Virtual reality

[@BR-jw7pm]

Keep up the good work man!

[@dwite3657]

I would love to see some kind of fast travel feature like using medli to travel between dungeons or fixed points around the map. Some kind of aerial traversal would be a fun switch up from the king of red lions aswell

[@tysonasaurus6392]

This is amazing, can't wait to see more of this project

[@monarchofrymden]

the tracks... the spirit tracks

[@youngkappakhan]

this is an insane undertaking, really look forward to seeing how the full thing looks

[@TheTodarac]

Genuinely one of the coolest game projects I've been keeping my eye on. I have beaten WW ~10-11 times. I would play it nonstop as a kid. I know the whole map like the back of my hand. And I really respect what you are doing here. Its impressive that it doesn't just look like a 7x7 grid of pointy mountains. I appreciate the variety. But that also makes it a real challenge. From one 3d artist to another, great job and please keep it up.

[@Caztendo]

you know this could fill in the gap for botw ik your map isn't cannon but it makes sense this was all here then washed away then dried up again and became Current botw and took hyrule

[@ShirubaGin]

I saw this on my recommendation and I was immediately hooked. Blind blowing stuff honestly

[@Mr.Chicken815]

Looking good Joe, keep it up!

[@bottombarrelbudgetfilms1854]

Love that you're pulling from everything!

[@evenglare]

This is one of the most amazing things I've seen. Maaan, I have a homebrew zelda tabletop game I've been working on over the years. Id love to see a finished map of this that I could play in. This is amazingly awesome!

[@vindurverndari]

Ever since we got a meager 10 minutes of gameplay in the frozen, underwater hyrule I have wanted to explore that version of hyrule before the flood. Thank you so much for making it.

[@Vulgun]

First off, I'm liking the project and can't wait to see where this goes. Second, I have an idea for Bird's Peak Rock, I have an interesting idea for them if you haven't thought of anything yet: Bird Peak Rock could become a place where it's said Rito who have recently gotten their wings will "train" in order to get better flying capability. So this could act as several sorts of things in one. One is that this is a mini-game island where your goal would be to complete a flying obstacle course and/or see how far you can "fly". Two is that this is a mini-dungeon island where all sorts of flying enemies can be seen trying to knock you off of the area as you slowly make your way to the peak. Which would make a lot of sense for the whole theme of the island if you think about it. And you can even add a sort of basecamp to the bottom that's full of Rito who are readying up for their travels up the mountains, as well as perhaps some Hylians or other races that look on at the spectacle that is the mountainous region. You could even have some statues of Rito who established this as a course, a telescope that looks up to see how far up it really goes, and even some wind-themed puzzles or obstacles to really add to the atmosphere.

[@wendtils]

It brings me so much joy when I see fans getting inspired to start their own creative projects.

[@xPancakes4lyf]

peicimg all these sections together to create a one giant map is super dope! this looks amazing, keep it up!

[@snappyT3]

First time I've heard of this! I adore Wind Waker, and can't wait to see this project through! Keep up the amazing work

[@erossenpai2884]

Absolutely amazing. I never got into the "toon" Link series of games, but the idea of seeing WW Hyrule with the water drained is fascinating as an old Zelda fan.

[@StarfishTrance]

Not sure how feasible it would be, but one idea for Birdpeak that came to mind is a crashed sky island. The peaks could be the underside of a sky island that crashed. A cool one to use might be The Palace of Winds from Minish Cap. Blue Chu Jellies are also in Minish, and Kargaroks nesting on a sky island would be plausible.

[@TKDbirdy]

This is really underrated! I just found this today and I'm excited to see what's next.

[@youngkappakhan]

i'd like to remind everyone who sees this to STAY down low and don't blab about this project where a lot of people will see it, nintendo lawyers are scum you know how it is. it's a blessing that stuff like AM2R and Super Mario Eclipse reached completion without any trouble and I want the same for this project

[@Crust_Crease]

I hope in the distant future that a mod will sprout from this. To play through a full game using this wonderful thing.

[@JetSetWave]

Wind Waker being my absolute favorite Zelda game, this is AMAZING to see! Looking forward to seeing the rest of this project unfold! Subscribing immediately!

[@chrislogan4837]

Looks amazing. Thanks for sharing!

[@darthimperious1594]

Holy moly, I am so impressed. I never would have dreamed that such an ambitious project would be even possible...

[@Instafail]

Beautiful work. Much respect.

[@CZ-PC]

Awesome job!

[@HoneybeeSorceress]

Excellent work so far!

[@ElliotKeaton]

This project is awesome! Great work!

[@thegreatsaxtonian]

I've just discovered this project and I love it already! In regards the islands like Star Island and Bird Peak Island, I do think it's possible that some of these islands simply could have been mountains off in the distance of no great significance in the past, but given significance by the flooding of hyrule finally making them accessible. Perhaps erosion over time from the elements turned one peak into many on Bird Peak. Perhaps one of the mountains could be home to Snowpeak Ruins from Twilight Princess, and a colder region, or the Icy mountain range from Breath of the Wild. Whatever you decide, I cannot wait to see the results!

[@spaghettiking7312]

Sharing this. You're doing humanity a great service here.

[@safebox36]

I was hesitant when you mentioned using landmarks and locations from games that came out after WW, but seeing that low-poly Gerudo Town is adorable and changed my opinion pretty quickly. I look forward to seeing how this project progresses. Edit: Bird's Peak Rock reminds me a little of the Breach of Demise or Mount Crenal from Minish Cap, so maybe a barren area?

[@gyufrec]

That's a great idea. Always dreamt of what could be under the giant sea, but this means you'll have to add loads of stuff, like Gerudos and Zoras.

[@OparStanley1008]

Extremely talented!

[@Toesty5]

This is cool, what a wonderful project!

[@The_cgull]

THAT'S ACTUALLY SO COOL WTF???

[@babbygremlin]

I really like this, I appreciate the detailed thought and work ethic that is going into realizing this.

[@johnwilliamson3895]

Bird peak rock feels like the upper right area of the original Zelda game, the death mountain area with lynels and boulders everywhere and a few waterfalls.

[@Hardcase_Kara]

Amazing video, wish you the best og luck on your project btwI'm glad the railroad tracks where added cause I love Spriti Trackd since it was the first Zelda game I ever had.

[@thomaslecomte1570]

Such a cool project! I know it's not the aim but I wish there was a way to explore it. Keep up the great work, you're doing something amazing!

[@connemignonne]

The original locations and ideas are by far my favourites, they somehow feel more carefully considered and fitting than the parts that are literally remixed from other games

[@illustrious-jaco]

would love a first person exploration mode of this

[@tanookired4590]

Another inspiration to me, I love your work and your vision!

[@rouge939]

This is something I dreamed of as a kid. Amazing job

[@lebendigesgespenst7669]

About halfway? Leeeets gooo!

[@RedSoul001]

This is incredible. Just now finding this project I have to say that I would play this game to death if it ever happens.

[@GermanPeter]

I love the inclusion of locations from other Zelda games like the Arbiters Grounds and Snowpeak Ruins. What I love the most though is how you tied them to the Wind Waker locations, like turning Hateno village into the Private Oasis, which is just super clever. I think my only real complaint is that the recreations of those buildings doesn't always fit WW's artstyle. You can see it at 2:55, where you have the cartoony castle next to a much less cartoony and more angular Temple of Time. Also, when I heard "train tracks", I perked up. Spirit Train????????????

[@thomastegroen1274]

My friends and I used to fiddle with the Action Replay a ton for Wind Waker. Specifically, the Mega Jump was so much fun. The fall damage always capped at a quarter of a heart, so we'd just go blasting off into space, seeing how much of the game we could skip or which bosses we could cheese. Maybe you could add some kind of mega jump, or turn the hookshot into something more like out of the Batman Arkham games. One, because it would be dope. But two, because it could really help with getting to high places quickly so you can show off the islands & work you've done from a bird's eye view.

[@ClayParr]

this was an awesome idea to commit to, dude!

[@jacoboniaplay]

Pretty sure Akkala Citadel was meant to be a repurposed Tower of Hera. And Overlook Island seems like it could be some of its upper spires, or a structure that was built at the top of the same mountain after the flood. Would be a cool opportunity to incorporate it in the northeast! There's also the Eastern Palace, which I think may be part of the Lanayru Promenade in BotW/TotK based on the architecture, and could go somewhere between Eastern Triangle and Thorned Fairy islands.

[@robbinscott160]

This is such a exciting but also calming project 😍.

[@Buphido]

You definitely put more thought into making this map lore-friendly than Nintendo ever did. xD Amazing job, looking forward to the final product!

[@SpoonTaco]

I remember dreaming of making a paper windwaker game where the main story is that they have to find a way to unflood the great sea in order to see if Ganon was resurrected due to weird things going on suggesting someone released him, and half way through the game after u unflood everything u find out he was, and then u explore hyrule and meet new people and creatures trying to track him

[@hcmmascaracardenes8900]

This is BEAUTIFUL

[@RosiYYAP]

i love this sm, i wish you the best with this project 💜

[@youraveragejoe9286]

Maybe moblins and miniblins are from Star Island? It could be a legend told to scare young Hylian children... As for Bird Peak, make them dangerous peaks that could have a Mount Rushmore vibe?

[@Grimvin]

Star island, or as it was called back before the flood "Star point Mountain" was a sight of prayer to the 7 sages. A statue depicting six of the seven facing inwards towards the 7th of their leader. Paper lanterns would be sent into the clear night sky, like stars rising into the heavens, to carry the prayers and thanks to the spirits of the land's protectors. A stairway hidden under the statue depicting the sage of spirit would lead to a hidden shrine, made by both the Gerudo and the Sheikah as a reminder of the eternal cycle of Hyrule. This idea comes from the look of the island, 6 points with a larger point in the middle, and also involves the hidden grotto under one of the rock formations.

[@JosephReference]

You can always put stuff in the sky or deep deep underground. Incorporate tears of the kingdom.

[@brysonschmidt857]

This fills my heart

[@Dhieleos]

what wind waker looks like after spirit tracks era

[@soulelm7287]

this is so unbelievably cool to me

[@FoxyAlice93]

I've always held this theory that the entire underground area of TotK was Hyrule itself after it had been flooded with the water drying up and the land being built over it as a result of the King's triforce wish

[@2drpeppersplz]

thats exactly what i think too. i fully believe the depths is where the og hyrule used to be since in windwaker the koroks had ceremonies to plant seeds all around the great sea in hopes to build new land, thus totk. also the oot style soldier ghosts, the poes, and the link outfits all being down there convince me that its where old hyrule rests. the kings wish at the end of ww is most likely why the triforce is basically forgotten in totk.

[@glitchy_weasel]

What an amazing project! It's always great to see the entirety of the Zelda franchise interconnected.

[@jackzicrosky]

I'm just imagining being able to run around the map of WW with the movement in BOTW/TOTK. It's likely never gonna happen, but the idea is so cool to me. Toon Link is my favorite character in any video game, and BOTW is my favorite game ever made, so combining those things would mean pure bliss for me as a gamer.

[@will-iy9gu]

damn this is an amazing project. subbed

[@jesselindsey9760]

2:40 I'm personally of the opinion that while a static Hyrule exists, we haven't seen it. Think of the scale of it in the games. Villages in Zelda games have 12 buildings and 7 villagers. You can walk from any settlement to the next nearest one in about 45 seconds. If you walk 4 seconds out of a village, you get bomb-throwing moblins attacking you, and yet they haven't overwhelmed the defenceless villages they're squatting right next to. Logically, the villagers should have been slaughtered years ago, considering how close everything and everyone is. The geography changes with literally every game, but each of them are canon, and so is their respective depictions of Hyrule. I think that each game is a retelling of events, like we're being told the legend of Zelda. That's why each game operates on a Disneyland scale, and why everything radically changes between games. You know how you can't leave the Great Sea, even though it stretches to the horizon? I've seen people try to discuss what happened to the rest of the world when the Goddesses flooded it. I've seen answers like "they didn't raise the water, they sunk Hyrule", "Hyrule is AKA a lakebed or in a deep valley", and "The goddesses are dicks and everyone in the world drowned". But if the game we're playing just an interactive story being told to us, then of course they'd say "the entire world flooded". Even in the Bible, they say "the whole world flooded", even though that would result in an atmosphere so moist and humid that you would drown by breathing the air. What happens in the game, I personally believe, is a story. And inconsistencies are embellishments by the story-teller. That being said, I love the detail you're including in your map, and I'm excited to see elements from different games brought together.

[@Palendrome]

You are right, that goes for most open worlds. The scale and time discrepancies are because it is a representation, condensed version of what "really" happened

[@scraskin]

@@Palendrome No, most open worlds have scale and time discrepancies because they are video games, and it wouldn't be entertaining if you had to travel actual, real world distances to get anywhere. The same goes for Zelda, the above is just a nice explanation for those discrepancies and happens to fit within established canon. Why do people seem to think developers (or any kind of storytellers) start by establishing canon and then use said canon to justify their design choices for the world? It's pretty much always the other way around. Stories are told in specific ways to share specific meaning. Not because the author wanted to make a good self-consistent canon. Sometimes an author will make a good self-consistent canon anyways, but it isn't necessary for creating a satisfying and meaningful story.

[@Palendrome]

@@scraskin of course gameplay is the foundation of these decisions, I didn't say it wasn't. Accommodating modern gameplay is WHY they designed it this way

[@scraskin]

@@Palendrome You said “scale and time discrepancies are because [most open world games are] a representation, condensed version of what ‘really’ happened.” I’m telling you the cause and effect in this sentence is backwards. The Zelda games could be considered a “representation, condensed version of what ‘really’ happened” because there are scale and time discrepancies. Not the other way around. Forgive me if I sound snotty, I’m just exhausted by the modern trend of treating canon as some immutable reality that a story must conform to, rather than a single tool among many used for writing more engaging stories.

[@Palendrome]

@@scraskin i see what you're saying. I actually completely agree with your sentiment. I don't like when players try to over explain something "canonically" without even giving the real world answer.

[@Sebastian-ib2ww]

This is so amazing!

[@SwissSauce]

This is absolutely amazing

[@ViviBuchlaw]

What I'd like to see is just filling in gaps and finishing mountain sides. Not a big thing, but it helps to look at completed areas and see them for what they should be instead of the uncanny half finished areas with massive chunks missing that makes it impossible for me to imagine it as a real a place. Good work so far!

[@clay2889]

Such a cool project!

[@vladizle]

It is coming along so well!