The Current State of Job Balance in Dawntrail 7.0

[@99_Vit]

Don't let this stop you from playing a job you enjoy! I expect much of this to smooth out a bit in the next few weeks and as the expansion progresses. They already announced some jobs are getting slight changes in the next patch, and we often see potency tweaks with most patches throughout the expansion. All of the jobs are still viable. These numbers only matter if you're in a hardcore savage or ultimate group trying for week one clears with bare minimum gear. I think this is a really good starting point and they've done a nice job with the overall balance. With a couple of tweaks we should be in a good spot!

[@Nyxesgaming]

Average players will see this and think they will get that damage on picto. These graphs are nice but if you cant play the job well you won't get the same result. Ppl really should play jobs they can play well as that will result in higher personal dps.

[@jimmorrison4ever529]

@@Nyxesgaming Oh well in that case, looks like I'm going into Savage as a Weaver.

[@gcDaydays]

Should preface this video that expansion launches tend to have unbalanced damage among the jobs, and is usually course corrected after a few patches.

[@mhenke10]

The spread between PCT and the other casters is crazy

[@DracoSuave]

Or something you're used to if you've played this game in EW. PCT is just getting the BLM treatment of course, the fact is PCT has HUGE variance which is bad for prog, not good so...

[@Nyxesgaming]

​@@DracoSuavedps doent matter for progging. Learning mechanics>dealing damage.

[@TheArnoldification]

@@DracoSuave PCT is rather easy to play well unlike BLM. Granted its well designed and does have a faiely high skill ceiling but it takes a lot less effort to get there than with BLM which was commonly regarded as the hardest job to master. Yoshi p himself said that job performance was tied to how difficult said job was to execute which made sense in BLM's case, not really in PCT's case (not to mention their strong utility: 20% self/10% raidwide mit, 5% damage for 20 seconds and 15y free aim dash with 5s sprint is arguably the best utility kit of any dps job not accounting for res)

[@MrInsiipid]

@@Nyxesgaming Ofcourse DPS matters for progging, lol. But if your group is bad, naturally you'll need to lean on classes with ress's until they learn it.

[@blannk]

@@TheArnoldificationdoesnt matter cause shit like samurai used to be the too dps despite being one of the easiest to play. they gotta just buff blm and balance will be restored

[@MrCeltius]

BLM is rough on ex 1. So much movement.

[@Ultimusvivi]

@@MrCeltius start left or right prepull leylines and fire opener. F3,ht,sc+amp,f4,pot,f4,f4,xeno,triple,f4,despair,mana+sprint,f4,f4,star,para,manipulate to party center,ht to fine adjust to ages after 2nd one be top of the hit box arrow then finish fire phase. This saves a needed triple+sc for first volcano. Manipulate to healer for buddies. I did this with a 2.46 gcd and got like a 96.

[@foop87]

@@Ultimusvivi it’s EX1, not a savage fight

[@Kongrisser]

My takeaway from all this, besides a couple obvious outliers, is that they've done a surprisingly good job of balancing a LOT of jobs. So many of these are so close, we're talking about like a 500 DPS difference sustained over time. Looking forward to some slight tank tweaks and whatever they decide to do with the caster spread.

[@kokayinewsome9308]

If they don't want everyone to play DPS, they need more exciting and cool tanks and healers. Is there any way to let Square know about ideas for new classes? For the next class they make, I would love if they added a class that runs on stacks for all their atks. And the stacks are like ammo was when MCH first came out. No combos, just you have ammo you use and a helper pet or robot or familiar that makes more ammo as you fight. As you level up the class you get more stacks. You get all the skills you'll ever have when you hit 50. But from 50 to 100 all those existing skills level up to do extra effects. Like canceling enemy casting, speeding up allies casting, raised critical, extra chance of back to back direct hits. Etc. as you use magic ammo, when bullets break they spread their effects. But those effects only last a short time. And a gauge you have for the class allows you to spend that gauge to extend all buffs or debuffs. This class would be like a mix of healer and a tank. Low on damage and speed but high on utility and require practice and planning. Not just spamming. I call it, the Ammo Ace.

[@solseppies]

MCH should not be this low.

[@notalent7369]

Same, I am pretty surprised

[@Richard-sq1ml]

I feel like this always happens in the beginning of every expansion. :/

[@breakthecode4634]

Same with summoner.

[@bitpokit]

Personally I’m disappointed with Machinist this expansion. I’m kinda tired of all the abilities that have you pull a different weapon out of nowhere to use it. Like, I have a rifle, let me use my rifle. Pulling out a flamethrower, gatling gun, grenade launcher, etc., for every other ability is kinda getting old. I just want to have cool turrets and cool rifle shots. I want some slick Resonance of Fate style gunplay, something creative and original, not to just have an invisible suitcase full of random weapons.

[@JamesCrouch-e2r]

@@bitpokit It isn't invisible! Its that weird little box that MCH glues to your hip! In all seriousness I agree, they are moving further and further away from the gunslinger aesthetic for Machinist, and getting closer and closer to some kind of Mad Tinker

[@Zoomie_Rest]

This channel is gonna be huge by the end of dawntrail buddy! Thanks for the info!

[@denomi808]

Picto is op af lol. I could tell from the beginning of playing it. I'm sure it'll get nurfed but it should be fine. I'm still enjoying my WHM even tho it's at the bottom lol. Awesome vid Vit, thx for the information as always. ❤

[@Ultimusvivi]

blm needs serious buffs. if this balance is allowed to go to savage launch blm will not be played at all. picto is funner smoother higher damage gives raid buffs offensive, defensive, is easier to play and is the new shiny job. they can't nerf picto with out upsetting the player base. they can only really buff blm with some qol changes like umbral soul at level 40 or 50. cause doing msq level 50 blm is pain. its so clunky now. blm needs to be at least 1% higher than picto to justify it because of the 5% raid buff it gives. otherwise blm will be dead on arrival of savage.

[@Justlight2893]

Cant wait to block BLM on party finder recruit :))

[@ShadowPuppet1000]

As an Ex WoW player I can tell you right now that this is more balance than I am used to. In WoW the damage differences would be around 35% from the top 3 classes and the bottom 3 classes.

[@knowlen]

ESO too. You can just pull the logs and see

[@patrickhardy3407]

This comes at a notable cost though. FF14 classes have zero customization whereas WoW has a metric ton

[@knowlen]

@@patrickhardy3407 true

[@breakthecode4634]

​@patrickhardy3407 not only that but the tight damage windows and enrages that every bit matters.

[@lifeiaskedfor]

@@patrickhardy3407 i mean, wow's specs are just FFXIV's Jobs, we also see how in wow if your spec isn't up to snuff for the content then you're immediately rejected. personally i would rather 14's linearity then wow's nonlinearity if it means i get to play the job i enjoy and don't have to play job i hate because i wanna play content

[@ridoranalighthouse]

thank you for this video!! your commentary and explanations are very nice, i think you're my new favourite youtuber to have on in the background while doing other things and still be able to retain some information from what i listened to!

[@NeoAstrisk]

I haven't touched Picto yet, and while it's busted, I think other jobs should be raised and Picto nerfed only slightly. Nobody likes massive nerfs.

[@Jambara]

would someone please inform SE that machinist is meant to have the highest personal DPS out of the ranged physical DPS... not the lowest.

[@Anorak7777]

Yup they give little to no party stuff have no res, are basically a ranged greed class, and yet do shit damage. Very dumb.

[@Myst97]

I really like your videos, I don't understand how you do not have more subscribers especially in comparison to how many views you get. Come on people.

[@Im____ltm]

This is exactly the video I was looking for while waiting for the latest update to download! Really enjoying your channel

[@tastypeeper2881]

Thank you for the great video and insight into this data ! My first expac launch + first extreme with Valigar as a red mage and it's been insanely fun, I think dps check isn't tight enough for people to tunnel vision on trying to play a class that isn't to their liking, but these kind of statistical analysis are very cool !

[@turkillaa]

picto max percentile statistics are inflated by 1-2% because of the non-standard rotation that will get patched soon according to yoshi p, also red mage and summoner damage is always trash at the start of an expansion because the tomestone gear doesn't give you the ideal gcd speed and causes alot of drift

[@emotionlord5686]

Definitely should buff DRK damage since we aren’t as survivable as WAR

[@Zarrakon]

DRK is less survivable than WAR, PAL, and GNB

[@Shoobedooby]

Yooo thanks for this. Always a pleasure hearing your thoughts. Edit: wow! You even explain what the different dps types are! Superb!

[@MCDLXXXVIII_]

simply sugoi

[@lyconxero457]

I appreciate you breaking down this info and hopefully you’ll make a follow up video after the patch and normal raids. They’re definitely going to adjust jobs twice before savage drops so I expect a good amount of movement. Honestly, I think these numbers aren’t all that bad considering the sheer number of jobs and I expect things will be much closer come savage. However, I do wonder how accurate of a picture we’re seeing for Black Mage right now as it has a terribly low number of parses as many long time Black Mage mains just aren’t happy with the job in general irregardless of numbers.

[@Trakan1]

IMO it's important to say that everyone should always play what they enjoy. The jobs are a little unbalanced right now being a new expansion launch but overall I think they're in a great spot outside of stuff like bugs or extreme outliers. It's important to note how the jobs are balanced, outside of the raid buffs like Vit mentioned. Viper and Picto have the benefit of being the new jobs and they want them to be good to sell the expansion. In Endwalker, I don't think jobs were often nerfed, they mostly buffed the underperforming jobs. I hope that will be the case again. If you have long cast times like BLM and PCT along with no res, they're going to do more damage than SMN or RDM. "Selfish" DPS jobs like Samurai are going to do more than the others because they have no raid buff or debuffs like the other DPS jobs. The same should go for Phys ranged. Dancer is lowest damage because of the utility it brings, etc. How difficult a job plays also plays a part like mentioned in the video.

[@technewsfortechnoobs]

And imagine that...Dancer still has a ton of people playing it despite it having the lowest DPS. Just continues to show enjoyment of playing a class is not bound to "i did more damage than you!"

[@Fexghadi]

Nah that's just all the egirls who can't play anything else (and perform abysmally on dancer anyway which is why it's so low)

[@ytnazz]

@@Fexghadi is that how percentiles work?

[@FullMetalEdits]

@@Fexghadithe male/female percentage of each job would be interesting to know

[@Death2all546]

Problem is, a lot of endgame content (especially savages) have a “if you don’t do enough damage then the entire party wipes and you have to repeat the last 8 minutes” mechanic that makes doing more damage very appealing. Which makes me sad to see how low mch is on those charts. I enjoy mch, but I also enjoy not getting wiped by an enrage.

[@Cobra0798]

@@Death2all546 but is one person doing 500 dps less than they could really going to be the reason that a party wipes? probably not. Wipes happen because of poor play, not jobs being unable to hit dps checks.

[@nafslee]

Ninja and Reaper need to swap. Ninja is arguably the hardest melee and Reaper the easiest, the rDPS should reflect this difference. THere should be an incentive to play a harder job because it's more challenging but its worth the increased damage output.

[@MrSpensix]

by your logic BLM is supposed to be at the very top.

[@Moxo_]

@@MrSpensix honestly? yes, it should be in terms of damage at the very least at top 3

[@quesopasso]

So the tank dps is the same as it was at the end of last tier. DRK really has no excuse being below WAR and GNB given the lack of utility (comparatively) to them.

[@DrZlow]

please help i am in pain. 7 year monk main with a withdrawal syndrome

[@austinsmith8436]

Play viper till fixes come through brother

[@DrZlow]

@@austinsmith8436 nah viper is snooze. i picked GNB which is mad fun at 2.40 GCD

[@kuyap9455]

appreciate content like this - getting big picture read on the meta. btw, the fact that summoner in a FF game is not easily the coolest/fanciest job is still baffling to me.

[@ineedhealing792]

Pictomancer benefits insanely from dance partner purely because of the crit buff, like, it makes such a huge difference with the hammers you have no idea

[@zurricMAGA]

picto is funny, my max hit without food buff is like 184k crit and an average of other crits being well over 100k

[@TheArnoldification]

@@zurricMAGA Someone hit 268k with star prism, pre-crafted gear patch BTW

[@zurricMAGA]

@@TheArnoldification i havent direct crit with star prism yet but thats crazy lol

[@gsil247]

Damn good video. This came up in my recommended, take a sub.

[@hkoizumi3134]

I main black mage since 2.0 and I have cleared all the raid with it. If I remember correctly, BLM had infinite Flare glitch back in 2.0 where they suffered the first nerf. They adjusted the tick rate of MP. Soon after, more nerfs was applied then BLM no longer became what it was. At first, it felt like Pictomancer in terms of DPS. BLM was the only Job in the game that could AOE spam. Rest were heavily checked by MP and TP pool. When you saw BLM queued in for dungeons, people got their sigh of relief because if that. BLM were also preferred for FATE farming because they were able to tag all the mobs with Blizzard II which could be cast infinitely. All I am saying is Pictomancer is seeing this protoBLM treatment right now. If they get nerfed, they will become the next BLM where nobody will bothered to play because of the nature of spell casting job. Without that big reward with big damage isn't there, that's RIP for Pictomancer.

[@Deep40000]

You say that, but picto isn't a selfish DPS. They have party utility. BLM has no party utility besides addle.

[@Justlight2893]

Picto's casting is a joke compared to BLM lmao

[@zeroazure0]

I feel like BLM feels terrible atm. Because the gear can only have so much spell speed it makes the rotation feel super tight with little room for error. Flare star doesnt feel good and doesnt get enough benefit for landing all your fire 4s.

[@SniperYanda]

I think the DT extension of all raid buffs to 20s helped RPR/hurt NIN, since NIN loads so much burst into basically 3 GCDs, so it doesn’t get as much from the extra buff time. Meanwhile a double-shrouding RPR is bursting for over 20s easily, so they get way better filler for buff windows than most.

[@xsteelersx6]

You never want to have to nerf a class that's brand new, but we might see it w/ pct here. And maybe a hot take but SMN playing basically like a phys range w/ a rez being in the middle of the actual phys range seems fair to me 😆

[@coalsome]

Keep in mind too: many PCT players trying to optimize are taking advantage of the buff reset bug. PCT will still be strong after the fix though

[@MrInsiipid]

The thing is they don't have to and they'd still be overperforming.

[@Kortexx611]

MCH needs a buff. It should ideally be above the other phys ranged/rez casters since it has less unique utility.

[@Austin-fb5fm]

Pictomancer isn’t actually over powered, it’s a statistical error. The average pct deals 0 damage per second. Pictomancer Georg, who lives in a cave and deals over 1 million damage per second, is an outlier adn should not have been counted.

[@iantaakalla8180]

When Pictomancer Georg is able to spam that buff bug faster than humanly possible

[@spectri1990]

pct is the blackmage equivalent. I dont know why they gave them a party. reaper also has the same party buff and they are the second highest dps. they need to quit making overpowered dps classes and pushing the older ones down. and buff black mage. also black mage should have the highest dps in the game as it is a harder class to play and they have to plan everything out versus melee that can easily react to every situation

[@markmessi9020]

ORRRRR you can join us former healers and black mages and join the pictomancer bandwagon. I'm drawing you an artists rendition of you enjoying how busted this job is rn mossieur 🎨 🖌️

[@spectri1990]

@@markmessi9020 blackmages have always been rare and once they get buffed im sure they will go back. healers will go back to healing because they liked feeling needed. pct will just replace smn as their sub class. and i do play pct. ill missed playing the caster role ever since the dumb down smn.

[@noctisheadshot9355]

Why not buff all other jobs and have every job to be strong

[@LucasBernardesRosa]

As a Machinist main I ask you... First time here?

[@TheArnoldification]

@@spectri1990 It's likely a lot of black mage players will remain playing other jobs (mostly picto lol) They kinda ruined its gameplay in dt in addition to making it underpowered. It has 0 flexibility now and essentially created a bunch of noob traps potency-wise with how they changed things with procs. The changes weren't as sweeping as ew summoner rework but in my mind they're kind of comparable to how much they alienate their old playerbase

[@soulholders]

While playing PCT in dungeons I have to be very careful to not pull aggro off the tank during pulls. 😂 No buffs or anything, they just really hate getting hit by a big hammer.

[@ryuuzaakii1656]

I thought people were capping until it actually happened to me, the tank was doing everything they were supposed to and I still caught a few stray hits in the middle of fights.

[@celeswylder748]

Lol I have done that a few times myself. I was starting to wonder if they just didnt have stance on. XD

[@MrInsiipid]

You either have bad tanks or bad self control if you're pulling off of them.

[@omensoffate]

Why would you hammer while the tank is pulling?

[@soulholders]

@@omensoffate Well, I don't anymore! It's an instacast spell so very tempting to use while jogging. Now I just wait for them to hit the wall before doing anything.

[@Kradily]

Balance is a term used when NOT playing PCT 😂

[@TricksterEth]

Came here for the FF content, but stayed for the sick TTNG shirt

[@pandas_and_napalm5663]

New player here. Does BiS gear and materia contribute to the rankings or is this just general with the lvl 100 gear not augmented.

[@99_Vit]

@@pandas_and_napalm5663 these are the damage numbers that were recorded during a fight. Gear, food, potions, etc all play a part in it. Looking at the top percentiles, most people will be geared

[@michaelbart7014]

If you are clearing these fights, and worried because your number is low, keep in mind you are probably not BiS, not melded, not with current food and pots being used optimally in optimal group comps. Use parses for personal development and growth, dont worry about a funny number thats based on if you crit or not.

[@Redwolfxx]

Wonder how good RDM+Picto Double caster does

[@Kenshin6321]

I have mixed feelings about stuff like this. On one hand, it's cool to see what everyone is playing, but on the other hand, it discourages people from playing classes they really like. If you really like Summoner, don't stop playing summoner because it doesn't do as much damage as another class. If you really like playing Black Mage, don't stop playing Black Mage because it's not as popular as Pictomancer. On the flip side, don't start playing another class just because it's what everyone says you should play. I think it's more important for people to just play the class they like to play. All of the fights are structured in a way that you don't need specific team comps. Unless you're into speed running, you really don't need to worry about charts like this. Considering Pictomancer and Viper are new classes, everyone expected them to be super popular. I don't think they'll nerf it any time soon, but probably in the next few patch cycles we'll some hits to Pictomancer to level the playing field.

[@WizelBalan]

Picto is currently bugged with being able to cancel buffs to get to parts of their rotation with high burst, they are fixing it soon so Picto will drop down. There is a post from Yoshi on job balances coming this month, addressing the issue with Picto and improving viper positionals as well as other job changes.

[@abdulazizalbelushi7005]

Awesome new haircut & I'm happy with the new Bard but I wonder how come VPR doesn't have a damage taken mitigation skill like Shade Shift for Ninja. VRP should also get back dash to get out huge circle/line aoes.

[@MacTaipan]

I don’t care much about this high end stuff in the first place, but in my opinion, a ten percent delta between the very top and very bottom is exceptionally good in terms of balance. And I find statements like „If you are playing Magic DPS and not playing Pictomancer, I don’t know what you are doing“ a little odd. It’s not all about DPS. My conclusion from these stats would be the opposite, something like „When it comes to pure DPS, all jobs are within a 10% range from each other, so just play what appeals most to you in terms of playstyle, visuals or even party needs. No disrespect, I like your videos and appreciate the information!

[@evangel1460]

The thing is FF14 is a DPS game so DPS is incredibly important at the end of the day. Sure, for prog, things like rezzes and other niche util like easier mitigation from a bard or something can be useful, but DPS is a big deal in the game. The reason why people are so annoyed and confused about the "magic ranged" debate is because there's literally no reason to not bring picto. It does more damage than BLM, has a raid buff, has a heal on an ability in burst (for some fucking reason), a group wide shield + addle from its role, an easy free target movement tool that is probs the best in the game, and just pumps damage cause for some reason everything on that job is hitting like 1,400 potency no buffs. Bring summoner cause oh this fight has AOE and we need some support but not too much so the rezzes aren't needed. Oh we are progging an ultimate and feeling uncomfortable let's try RDM for the rezzes plus another great raid buff. You LITERALLY only bring black mage because it does damage, and the high % damage BLM players spend a lot of time looking at how to do what they are doing, it's not easy and hasn't been easy. They gutted the jobs complexity and damage and gave that over to picto which is much easier to play in theory because you have so many movement options and legit pseudoleylines but they are the size of a god damn football field. Of course, people should play what they want, but the actual discussion around magical ranged meta RN is important because pictomancer is just eclipsing everything, and SE already really shit on summoner in EW and seem to want to do the same with BLM in not only complexity but damage. It's insane.

[@smoky2310]

@@evangel1460 they shit on Summoner cause its fucking easy to play. They should buff BLM to Picto level or maybe higher, but it makes no sense to say that picto should have the same rdps as RDM has. They said that Picto should compare to blm in dmg thats what they said when they announced Picto back on the Fan Fest. Why would it be good to have another low dps Magejob if you nerf Picto to Rdm Level? I mean why would you bring Picto over a RDM who has a res and mitigation and a raidbuff? I get that BLM should do more dmg but why would you want to have picto on Rdm Level, it just makes no sense.

[@evangel1460]

@@smoky2310 no no I mean SE shit on it when they reworked it in EW. It was a great class before then but it was mangled

[@REMfakeplastictrees]

When every skill is 600-1400 damage with minimal casting, it’s gonna be the top…

[@cometkazi]

I agree with your thoughts about the tanks. DRK should do the most damage

[@celphalonred1999]

It does actually. Warrior is hardly above paladin, gun breaker is hardly better than paladins. It's why dark knight is used in endgame content over warrior and the rest.

[@omensoffate]

@@celphalonred1999it doesn’t do the most damage 😂

[@StrangeLeader]

@@celphalonred1999 DRK isn't the most damage out of the tanks. From what I can tell from the current charts; it's GNB, WAR, DRK, then PLD.

[@danmarshall4812]

Great vid - cheers

[@michaelbart7014]

I think the thing that always frustrates me with damage differences between dps classes is that there really is 0 justification for making things radically different. I know some people will say "oh this job is complicated" or "well melees need to keep uptime" or "phys range dont even need to ever worry about uptime" but like, those are dated arguments. Most jobs have a lot of movement tools whether they are caster, melee, etc. I know there are people that only pick a job because "its the top dps so thats what I play" and i think that definitely does still hurt game health. I think they have so far done a good job it seems like, but the jobs on the bottom end of the scale should come up more. Tbh as a RDM main its VERY VERY weird looking at and seeing summoner and phys range below RDM lol and BLM not that much higher.

[@VainEldritch]

Machinist is disappointing.

[@jordym22]

always is.

[@DrZlow]

Gunbreaker is so Peak right now it is unbelievable. Especially when played at 2.40 GCD. While the advantage of having 2.40 is debatable it is just a proper high APM fun.

[@jesserebelo3583]

Should also mention the numbers arent indicitive of optimal setups, the most buffs you shove into an 8 man the more damage is going to be output by your selfish dps, most parties are running with a viper a picto and some variation or samurai reaper or machinist, and since sage and whm are the most popular healers you dont often see a chain strat or other augment being thrown out there

[@wavypavy4059]

Casters were always going to be the worst balanced role with how difficult it is to balance around only some members of the role having raises, the huge difference in difficulty between summoner and black mage, and a new job (with a damage boosting bug) getting thrown into the mix. Summoner having really low damage I don't think is an issue since there will always be times when someone wants a very straightforward job to learn a fight on, and having raise in that scenario's a good bonus, but it inevitably does get a bit philosophical over whether simplicity and party utility should be paired with low damage. Feels bad for black mage, but it's great to see how well the other roles are looking.

[@ComposerCharlie]

Given how strong Sun Sign is with Neutral Sect, AST/WHM is surprisingly viable, but I agree that AST/SCH is the more attractive comp. Despite the…..questionable card changes, Astro is stronger then ever.

[@Soprani_0703]

buckle up bois vit just posted

[@gundamexiaa]

Pictomancer is not going to be nerfed, the expansion is way to fresh yet and the new job been broken is good marketing, instead other classes should be buffed or bring to the same level.

[@CTN404]

I’m playing some Dragoon. Good times

[@cftncfjlphgfb]

Really random question, but is that a TTNG shirt?

[@99_Vit]

Sure is!

[@richkettle5908]

Best FFXIV content creator

[@lvl99link]

This will probably change wih the viper/picto "fix". Picto has a current busted mechanic

[@TheArnoldification]

manual buff removal is a 1% gain and the vast majority of people don't do it because it's not fun to do and completely unecessary outside of competing for #1 parse or something. It'd only slightly reflect the outlier point you see in the bar graph and factoring it into account would probably still put it above reaper slightly.

[@kennys6288]

I know SMN has rez but man is it low. I think it needs at least a little buff.

[@brycemoose7026]

Needs another fuckin rework is what it god damn needs no way the only thing the devs saw fit to add to this empty ass job 2.5 years after it was gutted was searing flash every 2 minutes and another demi summon that's identical the the other 2

[@timon9193]

@@brycemoose7026 i agree smn has become so boring and bland ever since they changed it

[@iamjdn94]

In fairness, with how easy smn is to play...it should have lower damage 🤷‍♂️

[@fabachso9184]

@@iamjdn94 it was probably the hardest job in the game until they butchered it and made it what it is now... SMN did not deserve that

[@gaufregenerique2474]

BLM should be top obviously as it is the most complex job and has not party buff, I feel like summoner is undertuned as well

[@misterbxiv]

I’d like to add, idk how accurate this is to the *actual* dps of the jobs themselves. I went in with one of my rings still being 660 ilvl, and only 1 tome item. So if the type of people who play a certain job are also the type of people to get full-tome gear for a couple ex’s, then the damage will be higher. Nin players are usually more casual, so I wouldn’t be surprised if most of them didn’t have full tome, this pulling their numbers down

[@REMfakeplastictrees]

They also patched the aetherhue and other “glitches” PCT to had with this hotfix 4 hour maint on a Saturday on the eve of a new expac.

[@MrMuricon]

The fact blackmage is that low of the chart is an ABSOLUTE sin.

[@agelosvs2080]

BUFF DRK HOLY SHT

[@pumpkin2474]

Just remember pictomancer and black mage compete for the second melee spot, so they need to do equivalent to melee damage, RDM and SMN raise are too strong and offensive caster can't compete with that, if pictomancer and black mage's damage aren't equal or more than melees jobs PCT and BLM can't be picked for 2 caster comps and, so can be viable after people finishing farming gear, what majority of players stop playing

[@kokayinewsome9308]

They need to spend two expansion with nothing but tanks and Healers added.

[@settkundesu]

I main ninja and have been playing ninja only since shadowbringer cuz i like commiting to a single job and master it. Seeing ninja being the lowest melee dps is underwhelming and unrewarding 😭 Its sad to know no matter how perfect i play i still wont top the board. i had hope its at least in the middle not even need to top. At least we're mid tier dps job 😭

[@xcetrax]

They’re gonna need the fuck out of pictomancer lol. I think it was intended to fall below blm and above rdm and smn. It definitely was intended to out dps melee

[@Emma-rr6kf]

Picto is cracked and I love it lol

[@Emma-rr6kf]

Still love my black mage tho

[@gideo5792]

We should enjoy PCT while we can, a job doing this well even within its own class means the Nerf hammer won't be far behind 😔.

[@davidj.a.8442]

I'm not sure these three design pillars are reconcilable: 1. You should be able to bring any job to any content. 2. Square needs to make jobs more engaging/difficult for those who want the challenge 3. X job is harder than Y job so it should do more damage. I mean I guess you could achieve all that if the content were so easy that the extra damage was just window dressing. Bottom line is the community is always going to be crying about at least one of the three. People don't want challenge for is own sake - they want challenge if there is a tangible reward that goes with it. A lot of fighting games are like that, where the best characters require incredible skill to master, but they ARE the best characters. The result: a lot of the roster doesn't see play at the highest level.

[@shaunperron7080]

Ideally, I think, PCT and RPR should be scaled back just a tad to maybe where the rest of the melee are. And BLM should be fighting over the top slot with SAM and VPR, with no clear winner, they did seem to have nailed the balance of those two in regards to each other as well as the other jobs. Both SMN and MCH should be brought up to roughly where BLM is currently, and for the tanks, DRK and PLD should be brought up to match GNB and WAR respectively, with a slight edge to DRK for the reasons you stated. I think healers are probably pretty good where they are. Obviously, this is just my opinion, which is just as subjective as anyone else's.

[@TenebrisGladius]

So now DRK doesn't even offer the highest damage to make up for its pretty pathetic sustain.

[@roguephoenix]

they always do that so people try the new job then when they get invested that's when the nerfs happen.

[@danielbentley3222]

mch extremely low again :(

[@Theheadless1858]

I wonder if PCT losing the ability to cheese its burst by manually removing aether hues will affect its numbers down the line. I just couldn’t get into it but I am enjoying Viper just fine.

[@bigtiredpotato]

Machinist is a lot of fun so it makes me really really sad that Machinist is just....so weak compared to every other dps.

[@delunk5906]

Welp, I made some bad choices. Summoner is my old faithful mage, and I just went hard on learning and leveling Ninja instead of going Viper or Reaper like I considered. I also play Pally for my tank, and Scholar is my most played Healer. . . Fml

[@mapleXIV]

Somewhat disappointed that the busy raid buff melee is at the bottom... I am by no means a great ninja, but I think the 2 minute windows in each ex fight make it rather difficult to keep TCJ under trick. It's doable, but in ex1 you need to trick slightly late into puddle bait so you can TCJ immediately after puddles(before ice if you get it 2nd). In ex2 it comes up right in the middle of gateway 1, which sucks but might just require practice. With the current rotation, much drift at all risks pushing Tenri Jindo out of buffs, so its vulnerable to the RNG that both fights have.

[@loopywatwat]

I am here and worried about spoilers 🙋 Love your content and I am looking forward to more of your takes/videos.

[@Drago02129]

He meant the fflogs site not his channel lol

[@dazzlemasseur]

People will also get used to the jobs and numbers will change

[@luniers4629]

from my point of view it the damage numbers should should always be ranked like this: 1. Viper (on top due to no defensives or true independent gap opener ) 2. samurai / Black Mage 3. Monk/Ninja 4. Dragoon 5. reaper / Pictomancer 6 Red mage/ summoner 7. Machinist 8. Bard 9. Dancer. For tanks it should be: 1. Dark Knight 2. Paladin 3. gun breaker 4. warrior For Healers in my opinion I'd like it to be : 1. White Mage 2. Sage 3. Scholar 4. Astrologian

[@simonkeenan7406]

They should just leave picto on top, theres no reason a caster cant be on top for change.

[@tennooperator8182]

I wouldn't be surprised if picto gets a good 20% nerf in a few weeks.

[@TheArnoldification]

20% would be way too much lol, it should probably be around where ninja currently is. The bigger balance issue in my eyes is how bad black mage is right now

[@ruk_necahual]

@@TheArnoldification It's worth bearing in mind that BLM, in particular, is a high skill ceiling job that requires in-depth, detailed knowledge of encounters to play well. You should not take BLM data from the first couple of weeks of the expansion as representative of the job's actual performance, as right now BLM mains are learning the fights and still in the process of optimising. Even without patches, you will see BLM work its way up the charts as more and more loggers become comfortable with the fights.

[@TheArnoldification]

@@ruk_necahual I was a BLM main and cleared multiple savage tiers with it. They removed all of the actual optimization out of the job - your optimal damage is just maintaining uptime on your extremely rigid rotation. The extremes are fairly easy so current parses are likely represebtative of the ceiling until 7.01.

[@ruk_necahual]

@@TheArnoldification We'll just have to wait and see. A week of Dawntrail, thus realistically maybe 3 or 4 days of consistent clears with different strategies for most while they're getting used to the fight, I think the data on it is incomplete and it will course correct over the coming weeks, as people settle into their gear and refine the fight. When I'm talking about optimisation, I specifically mean movement optimisation -- I'm aware that BLM has taken a bit of a hit in the rotation in recent expansions. And as a BLM main, you know that the better you know a fight and the more practice you have with it, the better you know where to stand to get the most casts off and how to move, so the more damage you do. Basically just don't doomsay right away, we barely have any data. This is an early sample, it's neither big nor detailed enough to draw any conclusions. You're looking at the result of a handful of days on fights that we're still learning. Which you are; a handful of days is not enough time to get everything down perfectly. This data also includes everyone who submitted their logs. It likely overwhelmingly includes players who are not experts at their job yet, or who do not perform at a savage/ultimate level.

[@MrMilkyCoco]

Id say probab;y just 5% to 10%. The thing about picto is it also buffs and its good because of that. A good pictomancer will take advantage of that.

[@yoonigan]

As a WAR main, you leave my WAR alone 😂

[@GoatOfWar]

Then why the fuck ever play anything else?

[@kokayinewsome9308]

As long as they don't ruin Ninja, Machinist, and Viper, im ok.

[@GeorgeUnruh-f5l]

Everyone jump on picto before Yoshi nerfs it to the ground lol

[@eleventhbiscuit5242]

DRK continues to be done dirty T_T

[@CassiusKent]

The fact that you can just move with the crit hammer is so funny. People are saying picto is hard to play, just like Viper you're mostly pushing the glowy buttons with the benefit of not having to worry about missing damage due to positions. I'm actually surprised by how fun and easy the job was to get in to.

[@brandohernandez9991]

This log crap doesn’t matter in extreme. It only exists for nerd who want to max there damage at ultimate and dsr to flex

[@Starshadowslight]

Me as a ninja main: 😔

[@DillonBranford]

Pint is going to need to delete his 10,000 hours of black mage video, because now we are playing the hardest job for virtually no reason.

[@VampireNoblesse]

Pct is OP (as all new classes are at release),.. its ok, as it will get nerfed, ..as usual for a new class ... (& Blm will get buffed.., as it stands now, their dps output should be swapped)

[@hypersleep9336]

mch never gets any love and it makes me sad

[@ParisLeShea]

Poor Dancer lol

[@VampireNoblesse]

Smn needs a buff .. lol (it can rez, sure .. but the rest of its utility is useless or weak, ...and Smn suffers from Boss fight phase pushing / delaying, making the timing of Ifrit difficult / un-mobile) ... common, Smn can summon BAHAMUT, and its the LOWEST dps, aside of only Dnc!? ... I get it, in the past Smn & Dnc were the most played dps.., so to make other classes more appealing, other classes are stronger aka Smn & Dnc are weaker

[@UltimegaSeven]

People dont know this is actually bad. FF team likes to do buffs and if Picto is doing damage, that means there is no need to buff it and will be outbuffed by other classes. Just look at what happened to Reaper.

[@TheArnoldification]

Reaper was still pretty good after other jobs got buffed. That and picto is arguably the best designed dps job right now and I think a lot of pictos would still play it even if it were considered to be relatively weak

[@Lenodan100]

I’m going to preface this by saying I absolutely love Pictomancer and even if they nerf it I would still play it cause it’s rotation is fun and the class is nice to look at. Should it do more damage than black mage? Perhaps, but only when played optimally and while black mage has to correct its positioning to cast better, which I think is more so the problem. Pictos movement opportunities in its rotation are way more forgiving than black mage and that’s something that will more than likely never change about either Job. Picto brings a weak party heal, a 5% damage buff, and a small party shield every 2 minutes, while having no rez. This off the rip makes it worse in utility unlike the other two casters, yet it’s damage is still higher than black mage, a case can certainly be said about tuning down its potencies, but Picto I think is always going to ride a fine line between is it worth bringing cause if it’s damage is worse than black mage and it’s utility is worse than the other two then why does it exist at all? I think when all is said and done Picto and Red Mage are gunna be the progging classes while Black Mage and Summoner are gunna be the raiding classes but we will see I suppose