The Dacia Spring EV has one MASSIVE Issue that nobody seems to be talking about.

[@trixiepickle8779]

I have the Spring and winter is not an issue frankly. I live in the French mountains ⛰️ and temps drop here in the winter to - 10 and below with snow and ice. I simply plug it in and put the air con on high for around 10 mins and I am good to go. Mine is the 2nd gen of this car. No problems at all with it. I put winter tyres on the front. But then I live near Michelin so it would be rude not to. 😊

[@adasha1417]

Renault Zoe doesn't have liquid cooling but it has very low degradation.

[@ElmarBon]

Yes i can confirm, had a 22 kwh zoe with 150k km with 80% health

[@pachy444]

But it's a non issue.... Battery management and cooling is only an owners concern if the battery had no warranty, but these have an 8 year warranty against dropping bellow 75% So any concerns or battery issues during that 8 yrs or costs are met by Dacia not the owner. Just like other EVs. The car is an entry market EV and risks associated with battery design are Dacias not the owners.

[@mandamados]

The heating effect of quick charging is more severe than the ambient temperature or daily usage heat effect

[@anderssryanssons]

Do you know if the new eC3 will not have liquid cooling? I was considering that car and live in Greece, so for sure I would stop considering immediately if so

[@bellshooter]

Not a bad video, but the cell chemistry does not degrade in any meaningful way at 25C, Teslas heat the battery to about 35+C to facilitate charging, just watch Bjorn Nylands videos. Or see 'out of spec'. I have a 30kWh Leaf so understand battery deg, and Rapidgate.

[@dv2045]

"heat the battery to about 35+C" = spanish laughs in summer XD

[@bill_heywood]

Really interesting, I didn’t think any car maker would release an EV without active thermal management in 2024 😮

[@BikingChap]

The Leaf has issues not only because of no thermal management but becuase the early ones used LMO chemistry with a cycle of around 500-750 charge cycles. That, combined with the limited range, meant the Leafs batteries are all but done by around ten years or 50-100k miles. Without knowing what chemistry is used in the Spring it's hard to say what the impact is. If it's LMC or LFP cycles life is going to be extended and this will start to be less of an issue. As for the BYD comparison I've not heard of a release date for the car in the UK let alone a confirmed price or spec so I'd respectfully challenge the alternative BYD competitor and will believe it when i see it.

[@johngonon1507]

I thought it was a given that any EV nowadays should have thermal management ...

[@benjaminan4606]

So for the UK which current or upcoming cheap ev have thermal battery management?

[@TheChargeShow]

Hyundai Inster will, and the Kia EV3. Not the Leapmotors, although it will use some cooling with water and ambient air. May not be terrible in the UK long term, but not as good as air conditioning. Especially on the hot summer weeks. The batteries will be cooking.

[@benjaminan4606]

Still not quite there yet with cheap then. Both the EV3 and Inster look great but suspect the models that most will want will be pushing £25k.

[@smurftums]

The iMIEV had the AC do some of the cooling of the battery pack. Nissan LEAF variants all had no cooling system at all. The Nissan N200 had assisted air cooling of the battery.

[@ziggarillo]

The lack of battery preconditioning in the winter is more of an issue. 21c is actually the optimum operating temperature for EV batteries, 25c is not going to degrade them. The Springs tiny battery, it's not just a low kwh battery, it's actually very small, wil have no problems with heat management in Northern Europe. But if will suffer from significant loss of range and slow charging speeds in the winter.

[@TheChargeShow]

The chemistry in the battery breaks down when too hot. This is the issue, because this is irreversible. In winter, the loss of capacity really is temporary until they warm up again. That's the difference.

[@AlexPacker]

The lack of liquid cooling is the reason it has low charging speeds and obviously the motor is also not capable of pulling much power from the battery. I think it will basically be a non issue for this reason. The internal resistances will never be enough to cause significant degradation. Davia will have also done a tonne of research about who is likely to buy these cars and what their usage demands will be before they even started engineering it, so I think they've made a reasonable call. I don't think this should put off buyers for whom this car makes sense in the first place. Lessons will have been learned about battery longevity since the EVs of 15 years ago

[@TheChargeShow]

I think you make some great points here. It's important to remember though for anyone who lives in a warm place, such as Italy, Greece, South of France, Australia, Texas etc, that by the car just being there, not being driven is detrimental to the battery health. Or if you drive over the road which has been heated up immensely by the sun all day, and then pull up over it which going places, the heat raises into the batteries. In these instances, these cars should be seriously considered. But again, given that the car isn't going to cost huge money in the first place, this makes the battery degradation less of a concern for a lot of people. My argument, and the reason why 90% of people in my recent poll agreed with me, is that it really doesn't cost the earth to add a fairly simple battery cooling solution. BYD offer it for $1000 more, with an extra 8kWh in the battery too. It's not overly useful to argue FOR the lack of cooling, given that it will be us the consumers paying for this in a few years time, and the big tax avoiding businesses that will again be raking in more profits when we need a new car.

[@crm114.]

You only have to look at the second hand market to see that you can get a much better car (with few miles on the clock) for the same money or not much more.

[@oefzdegoeggl]

Not a big fan of the Dacia. If you compare it to the Seagull, the Seagull is just miles ahead, especially technology wise. It's not only the battery cooling, also the battery itself and the software. Dacia tries to sell you some plastic knob where you can attach all kind of accessoires as a "cool feature". What? So a piece of plastic where you can hook overpriced stuff to is "innovative"?? Naah. You have to pay extra for DC charging and even if you do so, the speed is just crap? Also naah. Also not too convinced with the overall build quality. This is just not a car with a good price, but a cheap car.

[@dv2045]

Im looking at the BYD Seagull. Pretty good option. I need an electric car ASAP but I need it to last long specially the batteries due I live in Spain and we have HOT summers (+40 degrees celcius). HOWEVER, most reviewers say that battery degradation is made mostly by bad charging practices like charging below 25% or over 80%. If you do lets say 50km per day then you should charge the car when it hits 75km left remaining.

[@MrGigi-dz9cv]

I think, they may put a sensor, to indicate overheating of the battery. I know, i will.

[@pachy444]

All EVs have that, drive a Tesla flat out for too long and you get a warning

[@MrGigi-dz9cv]

@@pachy444 This îs Dacia.

[@GabrielIonescuisro]

I dont't think 25 degrees C will degrade batteries, that is consider the normal testing temperature, above 26-28 I think it starts to degrade. Cooling is an issue for this car, also NMC batteries are a bit dated, LFP should be much cheaper, less risky and more durable, even if we sacrifice a bit on the capacity.

[@jaywalker1233]

battery life is guaranteed 8yrs/75k miles

[@anthonybrown4874]

I think that the Dacias biggest problem is not the battery cooling but the discounted and used EVs around a 21 plate Seat mii fir around £9k 22 plate Zoe for £11k e208 22 plate £15k, i just cannot see where the Spring makes a compelling purchase thats not even including the leafs at £17k essentially new cars. So battery cooling or not im sure they will be ok short distance cars but i would wait for used ones to hit the market and see where it decides is a fair price. I am glad to see a sub £20k EV but am sure there is more to come from China at some point, though no Tesla model 2 is disappointing but not surprising why steal sales of your own £40k model 3 with a £25k rival its not rocket science car makers want us to overpay for what should be cheap usable durable goods.

[@TheChargeShow]

Well said mate. Very good point.

[@uzytkowniksmartfona1908]

I paid for my Dacia Spring just ~ 9000 GBP so I don't think too much about battery cooling

[@jaywalker1233]

battery life is guaranteed 8yrs/75k miles

[@dgupta42]

The 'baby lambo' BYD Seagull makes a whole lot more sense than the Dacia Spring or Renault eC3.

[@dv2045]

I just came from a Citroen dealer. eC3 withYou PLus pack = 25250€ minus governement helps. My partner said that she needed a smaller car so we thought the Dacia Spring but didnt thought about the chinese. I'll take a look

[@martinbrookes1372]

I would have thought a good reason to avoid was the fact that they will be worth F all at 5 years old . Only good for landfill .

[@megapangolin1093]

Thanks for this vital information, no reviews that I have seen raise this issue with this car, and neither have they said, dont worry because it wont be a problem in the UK. Just nothing. That is the fault of poor quality reviews. I will raise it with Dacia and with each video I watch. Well done and thanks. No subscribed.

[@trackingcalin1988]

Worry about those 500-kilogram batteries, not the 50-kilogram Dacia battery. When it breaks, you buy another one for 200 euros.

[@MrGigi-dz9cv]

In few years time, batteries may improve much more.

[@DrFroyd123]

Yes, the seats. Front seats are awful

[@michaeltravers6109]

Electric cars would need to improve much further, before I would have to confidence to buy one. 🚗

[@simon-c2y]

The cheapest seagull has no battery coolingin china at least.

[@adonisnetworks]

It would be a great car with a clean and efficient 0.9L 3 cylinder ICE , and remove the battery junk

[@jinx20001]

I used to think exactly the same way until i actually owned an EV and started to understand the appeal. we currently own a hyundai ioniq 5 and its honestly been incredible, charge it once a week overnight costing us around a £5 (uk) and it gives us around 270 miles if we take it easy, its quiet ofcourse, smooth throttle response that has to be felt to understand and ours is the dual motor awd version which also happens to do 0-60 in around 4.5 seconds so its also got the nuts to leave most cars standing if you feel the need. As an honest to god petrol head i said the same thing everybody else says about electric cars but living with one it all just suddenly makes sense. Two biggest hurdles are the cost for larger range models and depreciation as those batteries get old, two things that can only get better with time and its something we all have to start living with eventually as the manufacturers are full steam ahead on leccy cars, jaguar going full EV only from next year on for example. Honestly, go and test drive one, not a shit box... a decent one you probably cant afford (i mean no offense with that) and your outlook may change on the future with these things if the price comes down and the batteries start getting better.

[@rcosnett]

Can not buy a byd seagull.

[@rcosnett]

In the UK

[@khizarcheema5634]

Happy I did subscribe ☺️

[@tonyb3629]

Or just don't buy an EV at all - any of them. The 'cheap' ones are even worse as manufacturers trim everything they can to get costs down. Just avoid.

[@itayizinzombe947]

1st

[@serrie999]

no numbers. Just rumors. Complete BS video

[@TheChargeShow]

How is this just rumours? These are facts that are well documented by the manufacturer. Why waste your time writing these sorts of comments if you can't be bothered to research or even just quickly google something. Complete BS Comment.