The Dangerous Influence of RED PILL Ideologies in Fitness | And Fitness Elitism

[@TheBioneer]

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[@thenationalistnetwork2651]

Its a shame they got to you Adam.

[@Nick-o-time]

​@@thenationalistnetwork2651silence fascist.

[@DreamTerrorist]

Silence, communist. @@Nick-o-time

[@DreamTerrorist]

He chose the woke-mind-virus Blue pill. Ya hate to see it. @@thenationalistnetwork2651

[@JiraiyaSama86]

Why don't you engage with what they're talking about? Tell us exactly what's wrong with their ideas or what they say instead of what you've presented. Talk about the ideas. Break them down.

[@ericwilliams7705]

I am an amateur sumo ... our community has a very different view on fitness than most. It really comes down to function and not form. Fitness is not appearance ... it is function. Function .. is an individual choice. Different types of fitness for different functions. We joke that in sumo ... every day is leg day and that eating is training, sleeping is training, resting is training ... all of which is actually true if you want to sumo for a long time. If you watch an interview worth the professionals they always talk about "doing my brand of sumo" because the real opponent is always yourself. The other person is just there to help you along that path of self discovery. Winning and losing is less important than doing your brand of sumo. We need more of that in our culture Strength ... I have really gown to loathe this word and the societal concept (almost imperative) that is associated with it. Strength is not just muscles ... strength of values, character, conviction, kindness, emotions, resilience, community, vulnerability ... we need to step away from the meathead muscle bound notions of strong. Strong is not just anger. I loved this video. It is what is needed and needs to be heard and promulgated. it is a stand for decency.

[@TheBioneer]

I love this philosophy, thank you for training :-) A video on Sumo would be extremely cool, sometime!

[@angryskeleton5676]

I will say that being strong has been useful many times in my life and at work. It's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy, once you're strong, people rely on you to be strong for them.

[@philiptideswell8395]

Personal circumstances play a huge role as well. I recently changed jobs, working a different roster, with different hours, and it completely Torpedoed my workout routine. It became so much harder to keep it up, I have a new found sympathy for people who say they don’t have time to workout, which I didn’t appreciate before.

[@ThatGuy-yb8xt]

U just have to adapt your workout routine to your new living environment and not look for excuses. U cant take even 15 mins of your day to do a simple workout.

[@justpractise6773]

People who say they don’t have time to workout are often coping. You don’t need that much time to workout. How many pull-ups can you do in 60 seconds? Some work is better than no work. If you’re truly limited on time (doubt) doing high intensity is the way to go. Most people can’t even sprint for longer than 20 seconds. You’re telling me you don’t have 20 seconds to run 😂😂 We have time

[@ThatGuy-yb8xt]

@@justpractise6773 easier to complain online and call people who have discipline to work out far right /fascist

[@gracewhite1601]

Find time,its thats simple

[@MrBradogg]

My wife is extremely fit and attractive to most people. She is often openly body shammed by overweight or obese people as being too skinny. My point is it not just the fit who can be a-holes.

[@TheBioneer]

Yes, this is true!

[@Lolek080195]

Way more often the un-fit arę rude nowadays.

[@stevenscott2136]

​@@Lolek080195 Because they feel like the have the crowd on their side. Media has convinced them they're the "cool kids".

[@xxsqf]

Being a hole isnt locked to a gender race or creed you just chose to be one

[@lemeilleur92]

Isn't it funny? Once when I was a at a kickboxing class I was minding my own business just stretching and apparently a larger lady didn't like how I was stretching so she called me a "show off".

[@TheKiltedGerman]

Being an "alpha male" or "giga chad" doesn't make you morally superior. But without a doubt, there is a minimum level of fitness the average person should actively seek to achieve.

[@roberto-vk7xd]

I agree, but some people went thru some shit and we can't ask much from them, it's good to have standards but it's also good to be compasionate

[@lukeh3020]

If you’re a sedentary person you don’t need much fitness to be able to live your life. Health should be the goal, not fitness.

[@TheKiltedGerman]

@@lukeh3020 health is fitness.

[@TheKiltedGerman]

@@roberto-vk7xd to an extent. But, I don't remotely agree with the body positivity movement, especially the "healthy at every size" claim. I ain't expecting anyone to go from 30 to 10% lean. Just what is medically considered healthy BMI and other markers. Being able to pass a high school PE test as an adult wouldn't be a bad standard for (most) adults pre-retirement, I think.

[@Guerillatoker]

Some people value different things to physical fitness, and whose to say they're wrong and we're right? They might be at a higher risk of metabolic disease and have lower life expectancy, but maybe they're ok with that. I personally value physical fitness, but then it's easy for me to say as someone who has always naturally been active and a healthy weight, as well as always having enjoyed physical exercise. As Bioneer says in the video; it's easy to believe the valuable pursuits are the ones we already enjoy.

[@GM-wg8gy]

I think consuming too much social media is the problem. I don't and as such rarely think much about these issues

[@tuneboyz5634]

I agree Social media platforms profit from these polarizing topics

[@Rivers9679]

Agreed

[@fiddlesticks7245]

The consequences of oersocialization and Internet addictions have been a disaster for the human race

[@chavzone]

This is true but it's certainly not like mainstream mass media is much better these days. Limited, controlled exposure to good, reliable sources of both kinds of media is probably the best balance to strike (other than becoming a hermit recluse from society)

[@Jellybane1]

@@peenerparker846communicating in a comment section does not equal craving attention. He’s adding his perspective to the discussion.

[@joshuahunt9609]

Thank you very much for this video. I've been involved in this culture for years and I have looked down on others because of my obsession with fitness. With this video I've realised that I have been in an "us vs them" mentality for my entire life. And this video has made me realise how I've had such a massive lack of empathy. And I have been trying to work harder to cure my sadness for YEARS, and today this video has helped me figure out that working harder ≠ good mental health. It's gonna take a very long time to figure out how to get this idea out of my head and how to be more empathetic towards those around me, but this video is step 1. So as an 18 year old male who's trying to figure out my position in this life, thank you ever so much for helping me learn how to critically analyse those I listen to. Because that's what I haven't been doing when listening to these people and that's why I've been struggling with mental health for years.

[@bandanabanana3162]

Being a person that has become physically disabled, I know that there are many more ways to be helpful and to take care of their families. Emotional and spiritual support to your family is much more important than being strong. If your family feels neglected, not what you think about how much of your time they deserve, but if they lack the feeling of being loved and cared for, wives are often driven to cheat and children grow up feeling lost and will connect with anyone they can no matter how bad the person or group is. That is one of the main drivers that cause young people toward gangs and terrorists groups. Adversely, it also can cause children and people to become withdrawn and feel hopeless. Those are the types of people who often are more easily to commit suicide, murder, and mass shootings! While physical health has an impact on your emotional well-being, not being well mentally is in a large part of why the world is in the state it is. Broken homes and families often come from those affected by it themselves and perpetuate broken homes infinitely unless one in the line recognizes this and makes a change.

[@do_odman]

would you prefer not to be physically disabled?

[@bandanabanana3162]

@do_odman of course, I miss being able to do anything I want to do, but I have learned so much from my new circumstances that I had never thought of before. I think that change is a good thing for everyone to go through. It wakes you up to different senses and a different point of view. Often, people who deal with a drastic change like I am become very bitter and angry. I know that because I did. I was the guy that everyone called when they had a problem or needed help with their house, car, work, or whatever. I could work 12 hour shifts seven days a week and still accomplish helping others, keep my lawn always freshly cut, play with my children, and make love to my wife every day and after 4 hours of sleep get up and do it all over again. I was in great physical shape, and I had great health. I was so busy that I didn't realize just how much I was missing in my life. My children needed more than a couple of hours to spend together, and my wife needed more than to just make love! If I were to get better, from whatever this is that the smartest doctors in the US can't figure out, I would no doubt fall back into that same routine. I miss my work, and I miss helping others. Now I am the one who has to ask for help. December 28th will mark 13 years since I was last able to work. Sadly, it has only been in the last couple of months that I have gotten my head out of my ass and realized all of the things I mentioned above. My children are pretty much grown and have their own personality and the flaws I see in those personalities that I now see, were because of who I was when they were little and who I was before I woke up. I can't get those years back. All I can do is be a better example now and be present mentally and physically to help them with the problems they face. I don't know why my wife is still here up to this point, but I am glad that she is. Now, I am learning how to be the husband she needs and not just the husband she has. We have always loved each other for more than 29 years. My bitterness almost cost me the love of my life. We are coming up on our 22nd anniversary, and I realize that I have so much more to give than what I was. So, if I could choose to go back to the way I was, a couple of months ago, I would have said yes, but now I would not. By being humbled, I feel like I am becoming a better man, dad, and husband. Now, I have more time to devote to God through prayer and study. I have become a better person in every way.

[@do_odman]

@@bandanabanana3162 bless ya, bro.

[@langying]

​@@do_odmanwhy would you ask that in a situation like this?

[@do_odman]

@@langying Because I'm mentally disabled? idk, what do you think.

[@nealsandidge3951]

One of the best "fitness" videos I've ever viewed.

[@nichi8404]

This needed to be said and I'm glad you said it.

[@lambo-nq9zy]

I’ve said before in another video of yours. I can tell there are many things outside of fitness we would disagree on, but you did bring up some good points I agree with. You’re the only fitness KZbinr I follow that acknowledges an understanding of being a husband and father while trying to balance those responsibilities with fitness. Your videos still continue to serve as inspiration for my own routines, and I appreciate your focus on “the regular guy” instead of the alpha male wannabes.

[@DomFortress]

What's medical malpractices done on children without parental consent, such as developmentally stunning puberty blockers and irreversible sexual reconstruction surgery, have anything to do with "protecting" entitled leftists' hurt feelings? The gays and lesbians communities are now united to condemn the transgender agendas, especially now that "gender is a social construct" is itself a social construct.

[@KamiliumAMVs]

I see the point you are trying to make with this video. it was summed up well near the 17 minute mark. But it seems you have completely missed Jordan Peterson's points. Make your bed, respect others, speak the truth, think clearly, pet a cat, follow a routine, don't waste your time as a young person. I used to listen to him at length, especially in a dark part of my life where I had no direction and didn't know how to be effective and it made a hugely positive impact. Listening to "extremist" content creators like Jocko WIllink, David Goggins, Andy Frisella, Hamza, Jordan Peterson, Bedros Keuilian saved my life. I don't know about Andrew Tate, I don't care to ever listen to his content but to throw out the point of the message because they said several things you disagree with or didn't like is ridiculous and one of the main plagues of this echo chamber society. You made good points Adam, it is not wise to let one's own ego control one's life. and that is the root of all the problems you mentioned. people tie they ego into their work ethic, their body, their relationships. It is a weak person who lets their ego control them, they wrap up the idea of "being a man" or a "boss babe" or whatever into their entire identity. Of course they would be so judgmental and elitist to those who don't have the same traits they so worship within themselves. Live your life, live in a way that you can respect, live your life fulfilling your particular purpose, whatever it be.

[@person1858]

Man Hamza, Jordan Peterson, David Goggins and Jocko Willink, are in a very different category than Andrew Tate. I, like the bioneer, dislike a lot of the manosphere in general, but I've watched all of the above and respect them. They're actually examples of positive masculinity. Nowhere near as toxic as Tate, in fact I think they're a force for good, and its important to recognise that there is a difference in the values they propagate. Peterson tells us how to get our life together and live honourably. They're telling men to take responsibility and be good, strong men. Tate is just encouraging people to be materialistic psychopaths, who treat women like property.

[@helmeteye]

I think Adam is saying he is against free speech.

[@j.elliottcole9506]

"Forget being a good man..." - famous last words of a dying civilization.

[@martinriley8449]

I'm so glad you decided to make this video, it's really important to talk about this. And I agree with you 💯 👏🏾

[@owenturner3919]

While plenty of the kinds of "gurus" you are critiquing can say that they are trying to help people to develop their physical and mental strength, I think you're one of few that also considers broader virtue, moral compass and proper realism (i.e. the fact that most lives are not ideal). I understand that, from a commercial standpoint, it would have been easy to stay out of these divisive and political areas of thought. So I extend a heartfelt thank you for taking the time to calmly and reasonably debunk the harmful ideologies that can tip young men like myself from a virtuous path. I honestly think your videos have helped me become a more calm, caring and strong man, far removed from the misogynistic and insecure Mr.Hyde that I may have become. When I think of Nietche's Ubermensche, your example springs to mind (sorry to gush, just wanna convey my sincere gratitude). As a KZbin creator, do you think the challenges faced with trying to deradicalise young men in the fitness sphere might be different from say, those interested in politics or philosophy (and thus guided down the rabbit hole from another direction)?

[@sfbuck415]

being a man means living life on your own terms. if you're anxious about what others think of you, worrying if you're conforming to a standard you didn't set for yourself, then you aren't living your own life.

[@sethhat9620]

This is exactly right, the goal is to cultivate your own garden and be secure in your own identity.

[@abaddontheannihilator8144]

We found the best comment on this video right here.

[@saturationstation1446]

sounds childish more than manly. to be a man means to protect the vulnerable even at your own expense. selfishness and callousness about others needs is the most spoiled child behavior a human can exhibit

[@imjustsam1745]

I wish I could like this more than once.

[@rokhamler3352]

That is major bullshit thinking most of the time. And it is part of the priblematic thinking he is describing in the video. A lot of the time things are simply out of our control.

[@MYWALLS]

I feel like people are so used to content creators going over the same topic over and over again that it becomes weird to them when someone decides to make a video that is controversial and isn’t something they like too many content creators avoid making controversial videos because there afraid of losing subscribers But it’s always cool to see someone that take risks and share his opinion about a topic even when their getting hate

[@TheBioneer]

Thank you! 😁 I must be a glutton for punishment lol

[@GE0attack]

its not about making making call out vids but hes not providing help.

[@GE0attack]

@@TheBioneer bro but where the part where you actually provide valuable advice to guys and help young men you skipped that part

[@Paul_H634]

@@GE0attack you should maybe check out the rest of his content where he does exactly that!

[@IdekPhoenix]

​@@GE0attackcheck his content, he has stuff like that.

[@CJ-uf6xl]

"Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Be one."

[@jasonbrooks609]

Basically the only comment that matters

[@JasonPCVideos]

The amount of comments completely misunderstanding your points is too damn high. It’s like they only half-listen and when you criticize their favorite talking head, the media literacy part of their brain shuts off and they delve into some minute point that is completely irrelevant to the overarching point.

[@DaniArkadia]

It's a bit of an appeal to authority to point out that psychologists never took Carl Jung seriously (the implication being that we shouldn't either). If you want to discredit someone's work it would be better to give more concrete reasons why.

[@ProteoEuthismos]

Good video overall, but i live in Spain. 2 days ago they change the article 49 of the Constitution. ""Public powers will promote policies that guarantee the full personal autonomy and social inclusion of people with disabilities, in universally accessible environments. Likewise, they will encourage the participation of their organizations, in the terms established by law. The specific needs of WOMEN and minors with disabilities will be particularly addressed." In Spain there were already 300 organic laws that favored women. Now its constitutional= men are inferior to women. I have a yourger brother. Since he was 12 the he has received speaches from organizations that are are at least, are gender confrontational. They acused the boys of the class of missoginists. Age 12. There are articles that say that generation Z is going to be the most polarized between men and women in Spain. Left-wing actresses scandalized that their children are right-wing. 16-17-year-old kids making life miserable for philosophy teachers with pink-painted hair and hammer and sickle tattoos on their waists. All this is happening in my country. And all this was not started by the four right-wing philosophers in my country. This is a counterculture and there are people who will want to take advantage of it. There is a very big problem and the dominant social and political structures in my country, most of them are left-wing, have not known how to respond. What's more, not only do they not respond adequately to iron out rough spots, but they constantly antagonize. The thing is that the ones how offer the RedPill are not good people. Tha is a different question. Regarding Peterson talking about Climate Change... Sure thing. We also have Noam Chomsky spilling the most brainlet political/social statements and for some reason he is still relevant. Same thing with Neil deGrasse Tyson and pretty much every mainstream "intelectual". I think Peterson can be a neutralizer of this people. Like Base and Acid. 14:54 This is what Perterson sais... for him being "Alpha" is not about being a dick or agressive. Masculinity means being reliable, resilient... That takes work, consistency... There are multiple videos of him talking about masculinity in multiple perspectives, even warning women to be wise kzbin.infoK6IIveIULbk

[@helmeteye]

They left has been about nothing but destruction, since the French Revolution. All the stuff Bioneer just talked about are part of the demoralization of the West. Red pill had nothing to do with fitness until recently, it was about politics and philosophy. He is blue pilled. The transgender craze isn't about equality, it is about demoralization. Yuri Bezmenov will clue you in. He is a former KGB agent, who is job it was to demoralize India. Look him up on KZbin.

[@Mbstr1]

Hi Bioneer, while I for sure agree with you that "just work out" is not a cure for mental illnesses or depression. However, I do believe that making exercise a habit can be a cornerstone for beating it. I say this because I can attest to it from personal experience. When you exercise your body releases feel good chemicals (adrenalin, dopamine and serotonin). Also it makes you feel a sense of accomplishment. This can carry over to other aspects of life as you now have momentum. So while "just work out" might not solve the issue, I also feel like vilifying people who say "just work out" isn't the right approach either. The way the message is delivered may be inconsiderate blunt and simple, but there is value in it. I think it is a shame whenever this message is provided in a narcissistic and arrogant way and with a lack of empathy or thought.

[@indriadrayton1132]

It happens too often to not speak on it. That being said, I feel better when I work out and let the dopamine run free. At the same time, I will tell you, without Christ, the Redeemer, it will be in vain.

[@TheBioneer]

I may make a video about mental health and fitness in future - there is certainly more to discuss. You’re absolutely right, it can be a huge help for many people for a host of reasons. That said, depression comes in many forms and has many causes. In some cases you have chronically low levels of serotonin and other neurotransmitters. Intrusive thoughts, extremely low energy. Saying “working out might help” is excellent advice. Saying “if I had a life like “those people” I’d be depressed” or “working out is better than antidepressants” is so not okay. That’s from another fitness KZbinr who I don’t want to name and shame (I nearly did in the video but thought better of it). That’s my issue - the idea that it’s a) their fault and b) they should “just workout.” If someone is struggling with depression they should seek professional help

[@Mbstr1]

@@TheBioneer It is a very complicated topic indeed and I look forward to your follow up video on it. Recently I heard someone say "If you have a complicated issue with a car, you seek out a professional mechanic. This is because that individual fixes thousands of cars, and may have seen that issue plenty of times before and is much better equipped to repair it then you trying to fix it yourself. When you see a psychologist that person have helped a number of people with a similar if not the same problem as you and may be much better equipped to help you than you trying to fix it yourself".

[@mbg4681]

Don't shoot the message.

[@faithalone5081]

Millions must pay for jewish therapists telling them they are transgender

[@romarickostenko9032]

Honestly, going with the mainstream media and dunking on the general community that give a nice word to men, is not controversial.

[@TheBioneer]

Well if you read the comments, I’d say it’s at least a *little* controversial!

[@helmeteye]

​@@TheBioneerIt's only controversial in the context that men are your customers. In the context of the society at large, you are echoing Borg speak.

[@martinvulu1848]

Fitness is for EVERYONE, where you are on that journey is up to the individual. The most important component is...CONSISTENCY. Be consistent & you won't have time to shame others.

[@jamesg4012]

This is one of the best fitness related videos I've ever watched. An emotionally stable, empathetic and level headed perspective. All too lacking in social media fitness that is awash with narcissists and con men. I'd encourage any of your younger viewers to be open minded about your arguments and give them some thought. Older viewers who disagree are probably much fewer, but less likely to be persuaded by these excellent points if they haven't figured out already. Great content.

[@ravennaprojects]

Great video Adam! Even in my mid 30's I'm still unlearning a lot of the toxic internet fitness lessons I'd learned in my teens and early 20's. There's so much content telling you to get bigger, get leaner, get stronger, adopt extreme diet habits, starting strength / barbell training is the only valid fitness training etc. I gradually started to get uncomfortable with the rhetoric of fitness forums and some creators like Elliot Hulse and pulled away. Now my fitness goals are focused on feeling good in my body and feeling strong and healthy enough to enjoy and excel at the activities I love long term. I get a ton of value out of content like yours and KOT guys. Appreciate your healthy and balanced approach to fitness and movement! (Also, to be clear, nothing wrong with powerlifting or bodybuilding if that’s your jam, but there are many paths :)

[@zacariasnelson5753]

When you boil it down, men aren’t allowed to have men only spaces. Anytime men’s issues are brought up with serious grievances the *only* people that listen are people that are in the same boat, while everyone else retorts “men aren’t the only ones suffering” You literally said it yourself, bringing up one group’s issues doesn’t mean other groups aren’t suffering, yet men’s groups are constantly being dismantled by outside forces like society as a whole or governments or activist groups etc

[@lionofistanmusic7311]

Respectfully disagree. There are a number of men’s only groups in my city and nobody is trying to dismantle them. You could always start your own. Hard work? Yes. Scary? Yes, but there are many men who would benefit from male bonding spaces. Just create it, nobody will do it for us.

[@zacariasnelson5753]

@@lionofistanmusic7311 it’s fine to disagree, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that men’s spaces have been dismantled already. Boy Scouts, sports, comic stores, tobacco shops, churches, gyms, gaming clubs; Need I go on? You’re continually choosing to miss the point of whatever men do, it’s taken away and they have to do it all over again, however the complaint of that is not that work has to be done over and over. The complainant is that the work is continually required while *also* being expected to be the bigger person when issues are brought up Responsibility without freedom, if you need it simplified

[@barnzss]

@zacarianelson5753 that's just not true mate there are loads of men only spaces. Look at sports teams for example. The reason a lot of mixed spaces offer women only sessions is that a lot of mixed spaces can quickly become male dominated (unintentionally)pushing women out. As a demographic middle income cis gender white men do need any extra help in taking part in anything except care of the young and old which is done primarily women often limiting their ability to take part in other aspects of society. Of course on an individual level are just as likely to need help or support as anyone else. As for "men's issues" most genuine campaigning is done by feminist's, women and particular mothers (the greatest supporter of young men) whether it's in the form of employment rights such as paternity leave, equal pay, flexible working, male suicide,you name it. Online "mens rights activists" seem to be solely about setting up a false notion of feminism and then knocking it down.

[@lionofistanmusic7311]

@@barnzss Very nice take. An argument can be made that both genders have unfair expectations made of them, and I think it's true for both, and that too often in these kinds of discussions, people frame it with a false dichotomy, that only one gender has it bad etc. It's just simplistic thinking. People of both genders suffer for different reasons, and people of both genders are capable of putting too much focus on that suffering and areas outside of their control, too much focus on lack (victim mentality), and not enough focus on self-responsibility, self-determination, inertia etc. When we externally blame, we give away all our power, our power to create and be a part of the future we want.

[@Ninjaananas]

There are so many men spaces. What are you on?

[@micah.101]

At the end of the day... Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson are such huge figures on the internet because there's obviously a huge problem with society for young people like myself and millions of other men. We can either blame technology and social media or blame the educational system or maybe even blame parents for following the advice of men who 'preach'. However, we spin it the society we are all living in is being neglected by all of us. This idea of becoming 'strong' and resilient comes from the fact that is it a cold world for most young men. Unless you had a loving family home and stable upbringing sometimes the ideas of just work hard is a safety blanket that does give at least in my experience short term relief from pain I've felt in my life.

[@FringeWizard2]

Juden Peterstein is controlled opposition and also not relevant to fitness.

[@d0ubtingThom4s]

The ultra rich are trying to get the poor to blame everything on other poor people. That's why the support "feminists" saying that all of societies problems are created by men, and they support the "manosphere" that tries to blame all of men's problems on women. But at the end of the day the only person who can *fix* your problems, regardless of cause, if you. That message of personal responsibility is hard to deliver effectively, but I think people often try to deliver it in a way that works for them. When it sounds harsh, maybe sometimes the harsh message is what finally got through to the person giving it.

[@skullthrower8904]

Theyre both grifters given a platform on purpose to work as containment ideologies so youth doesnt strive for whats good May not look as obvious when at the beginning they only recieved negative attention from even worse people and media groups, which in turn makes them look somewhat legit to young men, in reality theyre both part of the same filth and should be avoided if not cast down

[@alexandresavardo]

The courage to be a moderate and nuanced person. Thank you.

[@JosuaKarlson]

Thank you for this video. That makes me feel better about watching KZbin fitness content. There is so much heartless crap out there. I wished more KZbinera in this bubble would be like you....

[@iliasseferiadis6204]

I have been watching your channel for some time. It has very fresh and useful tools for fitness. However, I would like to provide a point of view that might make you reconsider some of the points in this video. When I was 16 years old, I was in a deeply messed up state. I had no direction, goals, accountability, discipline, or character. I was also very frustrated in my social circle, because I was always excluded from the group of my school. Then, I discovered Jordan Peterson, through his series on the symbolic meaning of the Bible. In each lecture he was giving great advice on how to conduct yourself better and find meaning in life. Thanks to him I sorted out what was really important in my life, what I needed to pursue, and how to do it. From the content of this video, it is quite clear that you view the Peterson/men self-help space without much nuance. It is compelling to put together everything that comes from a different ideological view and call it all "bad", but in reality things like Stoicism, Personal Responsibility, and beliefs that stem from Conservatism and Religiocity have the capacity to make greatarguments and provide good guidance. Ultimately, I fear that this video is very much driven by political ideology, and not by objective and fair reading. I hope this was helpful!! 👍

[@kasebakaseba9009]

Nonsense

[@jacobwilson989]

​@@kasebakaseba9009a truly considered and explanation filled reply.

[@TheBushwizard]

Thank you for saying what I’m sure more than just the two of us were thinking.

[@mtwata]

The bible 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@TheBushwizard]

@@mtwata I’m sure your friends think you’re very edgy and don’t smell like cat piss at all.

[@burningproblem]

As a fellow fit ape, with the same peeves, thank you sooo much for taking a public stance on this! Too many content creators are not only turning a blind eye to the toxicity of some of these "alphas", but often actively platforming them to ride the slipstream of their big names.

[@DomFortress]

What's medical malpractices done on children without parental consent, such as developmentally stunning puberty blockers and irreversible sexual reconstruction surgery, have anything to do with "protecting" entitled leftists' hurt feelings? The gays and lesbians communities are now united to condemn the transgender agendas, especially now that "gender is a social construct" is itself a social construct.

[@dobo9150]

Okay, I generally agree with your overall point, but the claim that Jung has never been taken seriously by other psychologists is ahistoric unless you define "psychology" as only consisting of a cherrypicked lineage like "Freud then Skinner then CBT then EFT" or something. Just the existence of clinical practitioners who overlap with Arnold Mindell's process work approach, discredits that. You're overall point stands, but these here are some academic fightin' words that maybe got used a little too casually, ya know?

[@TheBioneer]

I do admit they were used too casually, and I actually like Jung in parts. Others have mentioned the same, and I feel a little cringe about it now. My issue is with the way Peterson wields him. Just as he wields various personality theories as though they are indisputable - because he knows that saying a name the layperson vaguely-recognises-but-hasn’t-read will win him arguments. But yeah, my bad there. I got carried away, sorry.

[@dobo9150]

Hey, no worries. Rhetoric kinda exists to carry people away, including the one who speaks it, ya know? 😊 Hard agree about how Peterson uses... Gosh, most everyone I've heard the man cite. Absurd misunderstanding seems his academic speciality; it'd be really funny if he turned that toward standup instead of spiritualizing.

[@EonRifft]

I agree with some stuff, don't agree with some others, same for Jordan Peterson, I can filter through the bs that is meant as rallying cries to the incel fanbase to look at him as a father figure. I don't agree with JP's stances on blaming Ukraine for the war or on climate change, but some of what he has wrote in his books (I've not watched much of his videos comparatively) is pretty good to apply to your life i.e. 12 antidotes to chaos and improving a room or aspect of your life at a time. Of course he has a bias, he is religious, does that mean Adam does not have a bias? Everybody has a bias and people that claim not to have one should not be trusted. I used to watch more of Adam's content, but one that rubbed me the wrong way was a short where he complained about people in the fitness industry being toxic, then to make his point more he mentioned some nihilistic thing about how nothing we do matters cause we will be dust or something later. Dude, you have a psychology degree, you're talking about toxicity, but you will happily invoke existential dread in people (whom might not even be toxic) just so you can bring your point home more.., cause that was a dickhead move. You mentioned assholes, in my experience at college and university (top 20 UK one, comp sci), the biggest assholes were the people studying psychology or sociology. From the bitch that made up lies of sexual harassment so she could get extra days to study for an exam, or the American queer guy that had adopted the pretense of making friends then tried to put his hands down my pants and then use his sexuality as a defence so he could avoid punishment/blame, or one of the various psych student lunatics that I lived with that was so disturbed she resorted to complaining that I was some type of proverbial gremlin of the wing of the plane and sabotaging everything even when I was not in town. See, I can stereotype entire groups too if I want to. I don't take steroids, I don't encourage anybody to take them beyond what a doctor prescribes for an injury, but if you are damning steroids as being risky in one instance then why defend transgenderism in another, so there is no problem with the current path forward where kids will be be given puberty blockers, screw with their organs and make their bones weaker, but steroids, damn those are the real evils of the world! Is Noel Deyzel dead? This is meant facetiously, but you know Batman was chemically enhanced :3. No, they are risky, but if people want to make informed decisions to take them then that's their decision, hopefully they consult a doctor a long the way. I get you are speaking from a point of compassion and you just don't want people to discriminate against people because they belong to x group, but if you are advocating for something then maybe do more research. Go look up David Reimer that was forced into trans and later suicided, you've got kids dude, a lot of people do, and they are not comfortable with that stuff being pushed on them at school. If people want to be queer or pretend they are the opposite sex, I am fine with that, go pretend, just don't complain if you can't use your biological advantage in competitive sports, and leave my kids alone.., kids are not mentally mature enough to know anything. I have had people try to get me to "transition" before, so I know it is bs by a lot of fetishists. You demonize a but are fine with b because it is virtue signalling. We know there is toxicity in the fitness community, but people on the left can be toxic, centralists can be toxic, it is not a political thing, people can have different values or beliefs to each other but be perfectly civil. I mentioned psych and social science students were douchebags at uni cause they were, they analyzed people like they were animals in some cases; a form of intellectual snobbery. The problem is not the "manosphere" or the "feminazi" or whatever conspiracy theory people can think of, the problem is our increasingly digital lives and how people do not connect with one another on a personal basis anymore; social media is a disease. The problem is people forming parasocial relationships with certain online influencers and believing all they say, or that it is so easy to enter an echo chamber nowadays since you can find your own group that agrees with everything you say, and thus you avoid any form of nuanced opinions. Anyways, if you read this Adam, I don't care if you have differing views to me on some stuff (pls avoid invoking depressing shit in your shorts though), I appreciate you being different and I want to thank you for your books and your regular no bs fitness content. You're one of the online fitness paragons with Jax, Sean Nalewanyj and some others that don't spring to mind atm. I don't know you personally, but I think you're a cool and nice dude. If you find you videos on your YT recommending you don't like then just keep clicking do not recommend/do not recommend the channel, eventually it will align with what you want. You are in great shape, but you're not Atlas, you can't bear the weight of the world. Take care of your own mental health too, if the stuff online bothers you too much then take a break from online.

[@Morgainz88]

Fair analysis. Adam is coming from a good place, same as JP.

[@Exalt92]

Thanks for being a voice of reason amidst all the BS! I hate it that seemingly everything on social media must take on these extremes and get blown out of proportion. I think you made some really good points here. It's just so sad, that the good messages this all started with (to paraphrase): "You will have a longer, more active, more awesome life if you stay healthy and in shape" get blown out of proportion to "you will only be happy if you become an alpha that deadlifts 300 kgs, runs marathons, has 3 women at all times. and owns at least one business." The amazingly great point about fitness for me, was that it allowed me to explore places and do jobs that my couch potato-ass would not have been capable of without. The thing with fitness, as with everything in life is this factor of "good enough". Your fitness should match your goals and lifestyle. Unless you are (or want to become) a professional athlete in any field, you don't have to go crazy in order to achieve those, you just have to be fit enough (... to go on a hike, work a long shift, be a good husband and father etc. etc. etc.). Same goes for the depression argument. Will a workout routine cure real depression? Likely not. You can't magically cure your brain by lifting weights. But: Will it get you out of a slump you are in because you don't have structure und don't know what to do with your life? Very likely yes, because it will act as a starting point, give you structure and discipline and just allow you to do more fun stuff. But these days the terms just get thrown around interchangeably and as you very truthfully stated, can do more harm than good.

[@JonathanCodes-ol1cm]

I agree but the "take it easy and relax" message that he preaches can also be taken too far, to the point of laziness and complacency. As with lots of things it's a matter of balance between both extremes

[@calumbarclay4966]

People have went to court for refusing to use preferred pronouns in Canada so he was right about c16.

[@TheBioneer]

That reporting, from what I’ve researched, is innacurate. One father is often cited here and the reason he went to court was actually over a debate regarding his child’s right to transition. It had nothing to do with pronouns.

[@calumbarclay4966]

@@TheBioneer I think I know the case you are talking about, he was held in contempt for refusing to use the pronouns? Which is punishable by jail.

[@calumbarclay4966]

@@TheBioneer side note, do love your content and your book makes interesting reading whether you are about to hit the gym or not.

[@TheBioneer]

Thank you! 😁

[@TheBioneer]

Actually, he was held in contempt for - I believe - spreading information about the case when he was not permitted to do so. People have jumped on the case and used it out of context to prove their point. That said, I might be missing examples to the contrary and apologies if that’s the case. When I researched, I found nothing that held up.

[@allenmciver1888]

I know almost zero obese people who have better mental health.

[@TheBioneer]

I don’t struggle finding people with better mental health than me 😂

[@JonathanCodes-ol1cm]

@@TheBioneer Are any of those people obese though?

[@TheYoubregje]

As a woman that's got a special interest in fitness I really appreciate this video! It's so off putting how quickly manosphere content got pushed onto my feed after watching just a few lifting explaining videos. I think it's so important that someone like you, someone from the training community, openly says you don't agree with the messages that are being spread in this content. Thanks for showing a healthy and normal response to this content and for setting a healthy example!

[@Magnulus76]

I'm a guy, but that kind of culture in the fitness space mostly turned me off to fitness for years.

[@dylanburns7253]

Check our Noel Deyzel, or Sean Nalewaynj. Lean beef patty is a pretty positive female influencer. I haven't heard Johnny Shreve push redpill either. I'd say coach Greg but he's getting more redpill-ish each time I watch him. Oh Daniel vandal from Fitness Faq is another positive one Obviously it goes with out saying Adam Sinicki (The Bioneer)is the best 👌 he recommends a few good channels in his book "superfunctial training and beyond". I highly recommend that book btw

[@gracewhite1601]

Id rather be a strong healthy woman than a woman looking for excuses to be depressed

[@kurtallen12]

Only bad part of this video was the apology at the end. Young men need to hear this right now, there is so much bad info being pushed onto their youtube and tiktok feeds. And a good chunk of it comes from the online fitness community. Great video brother, the message is much needed these days!

[@hyrog7795]

Whilst I don't think fitness always cures depression I do feel like it's very hard to get out of depression when you're eating like crap, sitting on the couch all day, sleeping late and not getting any sun. And this is not redpillism, it's science. Fitness won't always cure your depression but ignoring fitness completely when dealing with depression it's not a very smart choice. PS: Fitness and discpline DID cure my depression, anxiety and self steem and I do understand that it worked by me does by no means mean it will work for everyone.

[@TheBioneer]

Agree - it definitely helps and is invaluable for many people. My issue is with those saying it doesn’t exist, or that depressed people aren’t putting in the work. I actually cut some direct quotes from the video as it felt like I was attacking other creators. I think I lost a bit of subtext in doing so.

[@zesky6654]

Idk about cure but it did take the edge off. That being said pushing fitness onto someone who already has issues with self image and self worth can easily lead to other serious problems like body dismorphia and eating disorders.

[@Denidrakes69]

The test is, if something unexpected comes up, and you've planned to train, can you stop without notice, without anxiety kicking in? I couldn't. I could drop anything for exercise, but I couldn't drop exercise for anything or anyone. At that point, I was just madly trying to use the serotonin and dopamine I got from exercise, to calm my depression. That works just as well for depression, as any other drug a person might be addicted to as a coping/survival mechanism....as in, it doesn't. You tend to need to do more to get the same effect and when you can't a type of withdrawal sets in.

[@Paroex]

I think it comes down to the fact that there's a wide spectrum of what depression can mean in everyday parlance, from feeling kinda blue but for a prolonged time, to literally not getting out of bed when needing to urinate because it is completely overwhelming. While the mind is extremely strong and influential over the body, this can also work to our detriment. If it's in a bad enough place, it can prevent a person from doing things just as effectively as a debilitating disease or injury. For someone in a deep clinical depression, getting up early, exercising, and otherwise "having your shit together" is as impossible and insurmountable as running a 5K for someone with a severed spine. Physical exercise is a great preventative, but less of a great treatment, when it comes to more serious clinical cases due to a chemical imbalance. If you're in a bad enough place mentally, ignoring fitness is not a "choice" any more than it is for someone in an iron lung.

[@al-imranadore1182]

What you did works for the overwhelming majority of depression sufferers.

[@tombfowler]

Cheered my way all through this, it's always a worry that anyone making fitness content is about to reveal themselves to be signed up to all the insanity you talk about. Great to hear sensible level headed commentary on the topic. Nothing you said was in any way controversial, and don't let anyone tell you different!

[@helmeteye]

I don't believe you watched it all the way through.

[@KurtAngle89]

Honestly, to criticize Peterson this way means to not know a heck about him. And to put him in the same can as Tate is astounding. Honestly, Adam, I thought much better of you. Apart from the fact that Peterson speaks seldom if ever of training and it's role in society. You are using this video, which could be useful and necessary, to attack someone for something entirely unrelated. And BTW, every single thing you said about him about...things not existing and being used incorrectly...you DO realize it's not enough for YOU to say it is like that, you know? You have to PROVE IT. And yes, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE ATTACKING MALES. There just are, it's ridiculous to deny it. And Peterson'S influence has helped so many people in trouble. How can you diminish and deny that? And BTW, yes, there ARE, scientifically, things that can help people out of depression, and phisical training IS one of them. Now, does this mean if one just starts working out, all of his problems will be magically solved? No, and WHO EVER SAID THAT?

[@nedb8653]

I second this so much. Jordan’s helped me tremendously, and having seen Adam’s article on him and Andrew Tate (again, miles apart, as Jordan himself has pointed out), it made me want to vomit. I’ve bought both of Adam’s Superfunctional Training books, and commend him for sparking such excitement in me for fitness, but his takes on Jordan are so superficial and cookie-cutter. Whenever I see arguments like these, I’m consistently anxious, since I need to evaluate if I’m being indoctrinated into the “alt-right”, but having seen so many, I’ve come to the conclusion that people criticising him very often are just casting stones. I know that Jordan’s words have brought me out of some very dark places, and I know that Adam’s stuck to this for long enough that he’s likely not to listen, so I genuinely wish him the best and hope he might change his mind regarding these issues.

[@FringeWizard2]

As someone diagnosed with persistent depressive disorder and schizotypal guess what has helped me the most recently? I bought a Garmin Epix Pro and started to train cycling, running, swimming, gym, bouldering, and yoga constantly. Years of talking with therapist, of psychiatric drugs, etc. did nothing for me. Exercise is dramatically changing me. It helps me control my hallucinations better, it improves my mentality, it makes me feel better, it keeps me so busy I spend less time around methheads. Exercise has done more for my mental health than all this other bullshit.

[@joseroman4854]

Love the video. Thank you. I had also noticed what you discuss on the video. I was feeling disheartened with fitness content and the macho/alpha mentality. Thank you again for this excellent video. I have become a much bigger fan now. 💪

[@toranotsumedojo]

The truth seems to me, is somewhere in the middle. On the subject of mental health, we know that being physical is linked to better mental health. And in a chaotic environment, where things seem to be out of control and hopeless, the one thing you actually have control over and can do something about is your health and fitness. You control what you put into your body and how much movement you do. It may not be a fix for depression, but attacking it with a healthy body is not a step in the wrong direction. Bioneer has a point that emotional intelligence is absolutely necessary. I would add to that, that it's great when trying to maintain lasting relationships, but it's hard to make a second first impression. The world treats a man different when he is fat vs fit. That's the truth. No one sees a fat guy and instinctively thinks control, discipline, capable. That's why Samo Hung is so awesome. He's fat and crazy acrobatic. He is an anomaly. If he were the same size as Jackie Chan and Yuen Biao. He wouldn't have gotten the roles he did. And people can live their lives as they please up to a point. Depending on how much they let themselves go, they will be someone else's problem.

[@17year_cicada]

>But he only ever does this in a way that encourages hysteria and props up the _status quo._ >Saying certain _power structures_ favour certain groups more than others is in no way an attack on masculinity. >The terms like _post-modernist neo marxist_ are intentionally loaded and _unfounded_ with the expicit purpose of fueling hate. As a _technically inaccurate term_ used for no other reason as to generate hysteria, preventing a _proper discourse._ >And while it might be nice to pretend _climate change_ isn't happening it's the younger generations that will suffer _if we get this wrong._ >Exposing _white privilege_ isn't an attack on you or your earning potential. >Minorities that are likewise just trying to get a bit of _representation._ >The _hierarchies are arbitrary_ and you're not entitled to anything nor should you want to be. Congratulation on coming out as a leftist.

[@LittleMan2300]

Oh dear, not a leftist! The worst kind of person, a leftist. I sure wouldn't want to be one of those people, if you could even call them that.

[@danielburgess8108]

Fun to see such a polarizing vid from Bioneer. Adams books challenged mainstream ideas about fitness, to the extent that the core message about kinda goofy, fun and rewarding pursuit of self betterment endures, I'll like this channel.

[@hedgehogs1066]

How can you criticise psudo-intellectuals creating an us-them narrative, then pretend the psudo-intellectuals spouting an us-them narrative on the other 'political' side aren't equally to blame? I've never once had a Jorden Peterson video autoplay after a fitness video, or any other equally ridiculous political grifter, of any persuasion. This is stupid.

[@dekufan-f7i]

lucky you

[@cas1652]

I love your content normally but wrt depression study after study shows that exercise is the cure for it. On par or better than SSRIs. Of course there is severe clinical depression where people literally get unable to move but let's be honest, most of the internet "I am depressed" crowd does not have that. What they have is too much porn and junk food and too little constructive effort. Eat real food, move your body outside, occupy at least some of your time with constructive pursuits and you will be fine. If you can't do it all at once, that's okay. Start with what you can do and then keep moving in that direction. I know how it is, I was on the couch all day, contemplating suicide. I started with walking just 5 minutes at noon. If I could do it, you can do it too. And no, fitness is not relative. Your BMI, your VO2max, your grip strength, the amount of vigerous exercise you do are determined by science as the most important factors in how old you can get and how healthy you'll be. We know, as much as we know anything, that if you neglect your body you will get sick and die like a dog. We know that lack of excercise doubles (!) your risk of death year over year. And yes, for men, strength is the answer. The only alternative to strength and stoicism is endless suffering.

[@bxla1]

very eye opening message. amazing. you are great with all your content and the way you approach everything. very optimistic! you deserve the best.

[@viljamtheninja]

As someone who struggles with depression and alcoholism, working out does indeed help with that. It makes me feel good about myself, it helps me sleep better. And I do think it could be helpful for plenty of people struggling with depression. Even if the causes for depression lie elsewhere, feeling more physically strong has also helped give me the mental strength to deal with those issues better. At least sometimes. It's not an instant cure and it doesn't make everything better but it does help. The mind is connected to the body; if the body feels bad, the mind feels bad. If the body feels good, the mind feels good. There are of course plenty of OTHER reasons why the mind might feel good or bad, things that have to do with social life, with our childhood, with trauma, with whatever the hell else, and saying "Just do some pushups bruh" to someone dealing with trauma isn't exactly helpful. But it is still true in my experience that working on the body and making that aspect better also helps to improve your mental health. That said, I think there's been a large movement toward fitness from young, aimless men with mental health issues, guided by guys like Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson, and much of their anger is directed at the previous aimlessness of their lives, which is translated to a social problem of anti-masculinity by previously mentioned guys. And there might be some truth to that, but unfortunately, much of that lost 'masculinity' is let out in the most toxic of forms, because these young men still do not feel mentally well and have a lot of anger toward the world, and more dominant ideologies of feminism or wokeism simply tell them that they're bad, while Jordan Peterson or Andrew Tate fuel the fire of their anger while making them feel worthwhile. We lack a philosophy or ideology to take care of these people that could direct their energy to something more positive. All they hear now is a negative: DON'T be this, DON'T do that. Traditional masculinity says DO that, BE this. It gives you something to aspire to, and people need that.

[@TheBioneer]

Absolutely it helps - it’s just not the instant cure some influencers sell it as. Glad it helps for you!

[@viljamtheninja]

I have to disagree, though, with your criticism of Jordan Peterson's talk of freedom of speech being somehow hypocritical considering how vehemently he attacks people he disagrees with. Supporting freedom of speech doesn't mean you have to agree with everyone, it means you think everyone should be able to say what they think and feel, and everyone else should be able to disagree with that, and no one should risk being fired because of it. Edit: I just want to make it clear that I have no love for Peterson or Tate, they're terrible people and they're a terrible influence on young men. But I understand why they're popular.

[@viljamtheninja]

@@TheBioneer Oh absolutely true. It can help make one better equipped to deal with mental issues, but it doesn't make the origin of those issues disappear. But I want to say that you are an excellent fitness internet person and fitness internet needs more people like you. Always excellent content, and I really respect you making this video, tackling an important subject on young men's health in a great way.

[@jeremisilva4836]

I've always loved your videos even before you posted this! Now, seeing you tackle issues that have screwed me up two years from now really brings a smile too my face! Keep up the good work and don't be afraid of giving us another one of these in the future! It may make some guys feel heard, or at least start actually questioning their ideas about the world we live in, it all helps with mindfulness and gets them a little closer to feel good with themselves.

[@charlieparkeris]

"feel heard". Sorry for the lack of empathy, but LOL.

[@jeremisilva4836]

@@charlieparkeris Yes, "feel heard". I understand your lack of empathy, it ain't like young men (specially white) are the most endangered group of all, quite the contrary. But if we don't acknowledge their issues and try to fix them as well (taking actual endangered groups as a priority, obviosly), we won't progress much. Combine their unattended issues with a deregulated fire-arm market and you got school-shooters. They're so easily manipulated by Peterson and Shapiro and the like for a reason, there's emotional need that are not quite attended in the first place.

[@jasonthayer762]

Long time fan here, don't worry I'm not going anywhere. I do disagree with some of what you said. I disagree with J. Peterson and A. Tate as well. But you said there is no one blaming young men. That may be because you are from England but it is a real struggle over here. I was taught in public school that men are the cause of the World's problems and I and a good number of my friends have been treated horribly all for the sake of "Justice". I agree that red pilling is not the answer but there is an issue over here. And until more people try to help us with good answers instead of ignoring the problem, more people will turn to the Tates and like of the World for answers. Do you have any suggestions for what might help those told that they are evil simply because they are a young man? Love the channel, thanks for listening!

[@irishpotato8786]

I knew you were a good, smart man. It was only a matter of time till you made a video on this topic. F those guys, corrupting vulnerable men and getting rewarded for it. Shame on them. Youre a real positive role model, but unfortunately youre not saying clippable, unhinged shit and going viral for it. Its so much easier to be a red pilled grifting content creator than what youre doing. The spreadability of those idealogies is scary, overwhelming, and needs to get reeled in. This is AI algorithms and private tech companies monopolozing our attention spans and promoting engagement in dark ways. Its killing our mental health. Thank you for being real

[@OfTheNarrowPath]

Hey binoeer thank you so much for your videos over the years. Your research and in depth videos have been instrumental in my mobility , weight training , handstands , calesthenics and over all fitness journey. Thank you and please keep doing what your doing. Im so stoked to see you pass the 1mil marker. You deserve it, alot more than alot of these multi million subscriber creators. God bless brother!

[@OfTheNarrowPath]

Also you are the one who inspired me to get a pair of vivos like 2 years ago. I remember pausing your videos zooming in on your shoes and searching them up. Way before you were sponsored. Congrats on that sponsor. I'm never going back to non barefoot shoes!

[@warpigs330]

Love seeing you branch out and talk about this. This is so massively important. I think many men look to fitness as an outlet for their energy, and for community. And these type of grifters prey on that need to make people more insecure. Also really love that you mention that being fit is just one way to be useful, and not even a particularly good one. The fantasy of being the big strong man who fends off invaders is a very powerful one. But that reality is much less likely to come true than the one where your family just needs someone to cook dinner and change diapers.

[@alexanderwalter2700]

Easily your worst video that I have seen by a large margin. I usually really enjoy your content, especially when its more fitness specific. The perspective you offered is in no way alternate, nor is it "career suicide", nor are you a victim if and when people react negatively to this kind of content. You just offered up the mainstream perspective that gets shouted at me from all other media already. This video makes me question how much I can trust your other more fitness specific content to be honest. I would encourage you to read more conscientiously on the idea of disenfranchised young men especially, as this topic is not exclusive to Jordan Peterson.

[@Ren-0]

You say this a mainstream opinion and that can be true to some extent. But I don’t think you realise how many people are exposed to the manosphere and live in that echo chamber. Ironically you’re kind of proving the point by not being emphatic and aware of the situation of peoples lives. There are many boys, young men who are exposed to red pill content and are hurt by it. You dont know what culture they’ve been brought up in, what their friends are like and what they’ve been told from a young age. Red pill content is definitely popular on many platforms so being against will bring hate. I’ve seen men fully say crying is weakness and make pseudoscience about how it will lead to video game addiction. Seriously. If your point is that he’s just repeating things have already been said consider this. He genuinely cares about what is happening and wants to make a video about it. The ideas he’s saying aren’t new but that doesn’t matter. He is saying what he truly feels and that’s sincere, read the other comments of people appreciating this video. The fact that he is a fitness creator also helps, men seeing him open up about this is powerful. At the end of the day if you don’t like it fine, but many men appreciate this video and it shows.

[@helmeteye]

I hadn't realized he was so clueless. I'm in my 50s and was red pilled long before it was associated with fitness. It was more about politics and philosophy. This guy is Cypher. He wants to blame fitness influencers for young men doing steroids. I remember steroid abuse long before this guy was old enough to say the word. Lots of my classmates did them, when I was a teenager. He's got the woke mind virus. He seems to think the gender confusion is about equal rights. The gender confusion is part of the demoralization of the West. He mentions Nietzsche. Nietzsche called out the cause and the consequences of this nihilism we see today. Yuri Bezmenov, back in the 80s, describe the word confusions this pronoun BS was supposed to have on the West. He was a KGB agent charged with demoralizing India. Look him up he's got a couple hour long videos on KZbin from the 80s. They will blow your mind.

[@arthurdramaline3092]

It's so refreshing to see someone questioning these quasi-intellectualls in fitness KZbin and beyond

[@theemutsenfabriek]

Great video and thanks for being an explicit pro trams voice in the fitness space. This video made me realise that no other youtuber i know of has done that and that's really saddening.

[@arihaviv8510]

People should check out Art of Manliness which stresses the importance of strength of character... strength of body is just a consequence of strong character

[@dylanburns7253]

Pretty sure watching channels like that is why KZbin recommends Redpill content to people.

[@damienfarron]

i hate the 'lack of empathy' narrative, it's not a 'lack of empathy' its a not wanting to deal with peoples whining when they dont want to make a change, i have empathy for those struggling but if you dont want to change i dont want to sit in your bubble and cry with you

[@VVabsa]

The lack of empathy also hits those who are unable to change due to circumstances other than not wanting to.

[@stephencooney1768]

I appreciate you talking about this. As a nerdy fitness dude with so many viewers, I think you were in the perfect position to address these topics and have a positive influence on young men who just want to better themselves. You'll probably get a lot of hate comments, but change takes time... even if people are initially defensive, they're likely to think about what you've talked about, especially the more they observe these things.

[@edwardstewart4737]

Thank you for speaking out against this, seems like there is a never ending tide of these damaging ideas that is giving fitness such an ugly shadow right now

[@joshuagies4900]

Thanks for this @TheBioneer 🙏

[@al-imranadore1182]

Most people who claim to have depression don't really have clinical depression, they're just terrible at living and unwilling to do things required to improve their situation.

[@maciejstanczyk6663]

It's cool to see a fitness influencer being a reasonable person even outside the gym. Also, I like the "it's bodybuilding for your mind" quote, stealing that one.

[@Tbone11756]

One point I disagree with is Jordan Peterson’s take on Bill c16. I believe his rationale is that there is no exact and clear definition of what could be seen as a hate crime against transgender people. Therefore the repeated misuse (intentional or not) of someone’s pronouns could be seen as a hate crime which is obviously against the whole idea of free speech. Generally a great video though. I’d love to hear other peoples opinion on this.

[@Etazoz]

The legislative summary of bill c16 gives as an example Ontario Human Rights Commissions "Policy on preventing discrimination because of gender identity and gender expression", where refusing to use someone's preferred name or pronoun is given as an example of discrimination. Bioneer can have whatever opinion he wants, but that is the Canadian government saying that the legislation should be interpreted according to those guidelines, making it criminal to not use the preferred pronouns and names. Bioneer also claimed that JP is notorious for having refused to use the preferred pronouns of his students, something which never happened and was just a hypothetical that was discussed in relation to his critiques of bill c16. He don't seem to have done much research for this video unfortunately.

[@andy2172]

​@@Etazoz As I stated in my other comment, full of mischaracterisations, strawman framing and misinformation. But it's just dandy when people on the Left do it. I should lump him in with the extreme far left, as he seems to be happy lumping everyone to the right of him politically into the "hateful" extremist camp.

[@sapinva]

Yes, you can go to jail in some places for simply denying what is obvious. The pronoun thing is a form of bullying in itself.

[@totttrax]

Working out definitely can help with mental health just depends on the person

[@bobbybagseed]

It will help everyone but not if done right and when they're malnourished. Protein, b vitamins and fats fix 90% of cases in our office!!! God can get the rest

[@TheBioneer]

Of course it definitely can help. My issue is with people saying it cures depression, or that it’s better than meds etc etc without understanding the topic at all.

[@0xszander0]

He didn't say it doesn't...

[@joseppebatman]

He never says it doesn’t. He just says it’s not a cure all that some fitness folks say it is

[@PaxHeadroom]

I've seen people say that it cures depression, and that depression isn't real though.

[@spencerlemon2679]

You and Fergus Crowley could have an amazing conversation about toxic masculinity in fitness

[@cliveandersonjr.8758]

I disagree with your analysis on various points but I appreciate your point of view. Thank you for sharing it. Specifically though, I don't understand how you can think that Dr. Jordan Peterson is a malevolent actor in some way, shape, or form. The evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. Nonetheless, you discussed important topics in this video and I thank you for your work.

[@TheBioneer]

I likewise respect your opinion and really appreciate your civil disagreement! If only that’s how the internet always worked 🥴 Likewise, though, I see so much evidence that JP is stirring the pot as a grift/uninformed on the subjects he talks about. I guess time will tell who is right on that one! Thanks for engaging so positively :-)

[@cliveandersonjr.8758]

@@TheBioneer Thank you for taking the time to respond. I understand your point and we shall indeed see. Your videos have been an inspiration and an education. Keep up the great work! 💪

[@PaladinLeeroy42069]

If you read the actual C 16 legislation, it addresses that “Although the courts have held that freedom of expression includes the freedom to express hatred, even against vulnerable groups, such expression ‘falls far from the core values underlying s. 2(b)’ and ‘does little to promote, and can in fact impede, the values underlying freedom of expression’. This makes restrictions on hate speech easier to justify under s. 1 of the Charter” and then literally says “Individuals found guilty of hate propaganda offences could be punished with up to five years of imprisonment.” *AND* if you actually listen to Dr. Peterson’s issues with the bill, he’s talking about the slippery slope of having a vague and subjective definition of hate speech opens the door to your government deciding what that is, allowing it to silence or punish voices it disagrees with, which is a backdoor from democracy to a totalitarian state, which is what we’ve been seeing with the proven one-sided censorship the gov has been doing with social media.

[@Morgainz88]

Sadly too many people take what they read in MSM to be gospel. Peterson got a rough shake here.

[@tylercairns9104]

I enjoy The Bioneer content and will continue to do so. I have to admit that i was disappointed by Adam's take on Peterson. I think if he were more familiar with Peterson's views he would realize that Tate is not only the exact type of man he warns against becoming, but that the views Adam is expressing in this very video are not in opposition to the things Peterson talks about. Unfortunately i'm hearing a lot of the same misinformed takes that people get from reading inflammatory and divisive articles that take Peterson out of context and distort his actual views. I've heard them so many times before. It's unfortunate when you see two people you admire so much not get along over what you feel is a misunderstanding, and that is what i believe this is. Jordan Peterson and the Bioneer have both made me more humble and more in tune with my sense of empathy for others around me. That is because of their message, not in spite of or in contrast to it. I'll continue listening to their advice in their areas of expertise as i struggle uphill on my journey. Thanks for all the great content.

[@kcinad]

This was a very needed video for the fitness world. I see some of my friends way too invested hard on themselves and unhappy in the end doing the supposed thing that could cure their overall sadness of life. People need to establish their own self base before consuming information or doing things other people say so that they actully do what's best for them. A great video and change of pace, hope this gets out there.

[@zadig08]

So excited for this! Thank you!

[@putrid2529]

Eh, i dont think "work out to help with depression" is all bad advice. While a lot of depression can come from your circumstances, a lot of people would benifit from the increase in testosterone, goal acievement, and vitamin D imcrease you would get from working out, compared to a sedentary reclusive lifestyle that many people live today. I think where a lot of the red pillers are coming from, is seeing a decaying world that becomes more lazy and toxic by the day. If everyone worked to take accountability for themselves and focused on self improvement, the world could become a better place.

[@mlouw8218]

I love that you made this video! Thanks for having the courage to be a voice in the desert 🌵❤️ Even as a woman I can at times fall prey to this mentality.

[@nomad155]

I love you content and am happy you shared this. Seems like folks either weren't bothering to listen based on the comments. It's ballsy even mentioning the individuals by name too. Hopefully people look back and see you were one of the few who would call this nonsense out.

[@PawelSlab]

As much as i agree with some of your point you completely disregarded the effects of the current leftist culture on mental health.

[@w4rh34d4]

Thank you for this video bioneer. It's great to see Fitness influencer talk about this. Fitness is about bettering yourself, not crushing others.

[@armandosolorzano570]

Thanks Adam. It probly took a lot of guts to make this

[@keenanmiller6231]

You are very wrong about Bill C16

[@rturae]

How?

[@psychologydropout2354]

Fattest unsub ever. I just cannot support anyone that is okay with laws that restrict freedom speech which is exactly what Jordan Peterson was fighting against. Putting him in the same category as red pill (which couldn't be further than what he is) is misleading. For example people in the red pill community complain about the "pickiness" of women but JP says that women being picky is their super power and that men should put themselves together and be genuinely competent like caring, reciprocal, generous and productive not just signalling status through narcissism which is what the red pill teaches. He directly called the red pill MGTOW stuff to be spearheaded by resentful losers with failed marriages trying to push their resentment onto younger and less experienced men. Either you're genuinely misinformed or wilfully ignorant to these facts and use it to push your ideology on your viewers and I hope it's the former.

[@mason2971]

this is such an important message. easily one of my favorite videos of yours.

[@christopheweinbach4065]

im so glad i stuck with your channel

[@jyrikeskinen4554]

I disagree on some points, but all in all this is a great video. While there are things in this video i disagree with, it is important that someone once in a while makes contrary points, as Adam says towards the end of the video. Great work, Bioneer! 😊

[@Ymirson999]

I don't know what you're talking about. I agree with you about depression; I have it myself and have had it all my life. But as for being fit and strong being unimportant to be a useful member of society, emergency and military services, all require a high degree of fitness. But even for those who are not in uniformed services, you never know when you might need physical strength; you get in a car accident and you have to extract your children from the vehicle because it's on fire. What if the door is jammed shut? How are you going to get it open? Or if you're injured or catch any given disease, your survival might depend on how fit you are. The majority of people who died from Covid did so because they had underlying conditions. If you're not fit and strong you easily become ill the older you get and then you're a burden to your friends and family. Again, endless variables. So being fit and strong IS important in your role as a member of society. As for your issues with the "red pill" surge, all of that is an inevitable reaction to decades of the "canellation" counter-culture, where being unapologetically masculine is "toxic masculinity." We've been commanded by the Woke crowd that we must applaud morbidly obese people for the sake of "body positivity" even though such a condition inevitably leads to serious medical conditions. The whole red-pill phenomenon was generated as a reaction to having social political values and ideals rammed down our throats and forced to comply to standards a good many people don't want. I share your disdain for Andrew Tate, but Jordan Peterson? We never completely agree with anyone, but a lot of what he says is true and bear in mind how he first came to public notice; by ridiculing his country's government for trying to criminalize "misgendering" trans people. He rightly said that you cannot morally and lawfully regulate speech through law. He doesn't advocate violence, just a healthy mindset that includes men, who are told by the Woke crowd that they should be ashamed of themselves for being partriarchal. Honestly, I think you're on the wrong side of history for this one.

[@d0ubtingThom4s]

Glad to see this comment section full of reasonable people that defend peterson but not tate. And absolutely they are a symptom and not the cause of anything.

[@thatsagoodone8283]

I think you are summarizing Peterson poorly. I have my own issues with him but I'll address them later. Regarding bill c16, it was about freedom of speech, because people would have gained a right to be legally offended by misgendering that they would be punishable. And that would have dictated a certain kind of speech to avoid punishment for basically expressing your own works views. I think that peterson during cathy newman and after his health issue comeback are two different people. I think he was really good when sticking to science and facts. But when he started to talk about religion, it became distorted and now it's a mess infused with opinions, unclear words (hes very sophisticated in his choice of words but it leaves too much for interpretation). I think peterson and also Tate resonate with a lot of people, because ppl tell ppl bullshit. We live life with a lot of bullshit rules and expectations. If you break free from those that subconsciously trouble you and you obtain a life, that makes you happy, trivial things that bother you will fade out. It's responsibility. We all know, that most good things come with effort. But not everyone can do that. At least they don't believe in that. And then you become very receptive to blaming another group for being responsible. Peterson actually made the best recommendation: don't look for a perfect partner. Try to make the ideal version of you to attract the best partner for you. I think this goes to every aspect of life. Don't harbor ill thoughts about ppl you are not going to change. Consider what you can change and if someone brings a lot of negativity, always be careful. Forks and torches are a dangerous thing

[@d0ubtingThom4s]

I've been really enjoying his bible series as an atheist, it's made me find way more in common with my christian wife. But I don't use twitter and have no idea what hie puts on there. Twitter seems a bit toxic for my taste. Though a bit ironic to say that in a YT comment

[@its42duh]

Thank you so much for addressing this topic. Compassion and empathy are part of the whole package of health. Stay authentic and healthy, friends.

[@BlissBlessHappiness]

You lost me completely when dismissing Jung; absolutely outrageous, nay preposterous. Jung`s valuation is monumental, and rightly increasing. Only fanatic, narrow-minded materialists fantasize that he is/was not taken seriously. Jung`s insights have shaped numerous aspects of our discourse, in fact, many of his formulations are taken for granted in our everyday language, and we have only begun to fully integrate his work. In this respect, you are living in the blinding darkness of a barren materialistic tunnel. Geniuses and leaders of their field, such as prof. Iain Mcgilchrist, take Jung very seriously, and their work, as just one example, closely align...

[@JambiOfficial]

Man, someone who criticizes both Andrew Tate AND Jordan Peterson without seeing the whole situation as black and white! And I get it, I am into fitness, martial arts and MMA, so naturally the YT algorithm deduced I want to see videos of "alphas" and the whole red pill bullshit. I hate it Your channel is godsend mate. I've learned tons of stuff and always click immediately whenever you post something new.

[@DomFortress]

What's medical malpractices done on children without parental consent, such as developmentally stunning puberty blockers and irreversible sexual reconstruction surgery, have anything to do with "protecting" entitled leftists' hurt feelings? The gays and lesbians communities are now united to condemn the transgender agendas, especially now that "gender is a social construct" is itself a social construct. And let's hit on your personal realm of MMA combative sports, do you think it's fair and balanced when adult males transgendered into a once all female competition then dominating the whole field, an example of female empowerment?

[@Morgainz88]

Dude, don't talk about nuance vs black and white, you're a lefty, own your bias. You believe in covid vaccine mandates, you believe in action for climate change, you believe misgendering should be against the law, you believe in refugees, you believe Trump should be in prison, you believe in my body my choice for abortion. How close did I get?

[@jackf6788]

Good insights and inspiring content as with all your videos. You should reconsider your views on Peterson though - he’s incredibly thorough and measured in the advice he offers and, whilst he’s not perfect, you’d have to work pretty hard to reasonably discredit/find fault in his logic and the majority of what he says.

[@TheBioneer]

Thank you! Honestly, I think that’s what makes Peterson dangerous. Why is a psychologist even talking about climate change and economics? I really wouldn’t trust the guy. But hey, we’re all entitled to our own opinions and I respect yours 👍🏻 Thanks for a balanced comment!

[@mlouw8218]

What you say reminds me of hearing a wise person say to “make friends with mediocrity”. No one’s going to give you a prize fir vacuuming, changing diapers, talking to a friend who’s going through a hard time, or showing up to someone’s funeral, but these things really count over the course of a lifetime. Like so many people, I’ve always wanted to transcend and reach excellence in some way, but the longer I’m alive the more I value what it takes to show up and be an ordinary and decent person.

[@bruhmoment1208]

I think all that really isn’t mediocre at all. For me being mediocre is to become another number, to live and die and leave nothing behind. To have made an impact on a few loved ones is more important than widespread recognition. I think to exceed mediocrity is to make any impact with your life, be it to your kids, to your loved ones, to your friends. Maybe that is what it is to be a good person. That the life and legacy you left has been a net positive. I think to be great is a different idea altogether. It is to be highly skilled at something. It can be a skill, or it can be at business, or in some academic field. I think it is when you combine great and good that you become truly elevated.

[@mlouw8218]

@@bruhmoment1208 Yes, I think I agree with everything you say. Perhaps the making friends with mediocrity though… it’s kind of a way of subverting the part of us that wants to be better than other people, get loads of accolades (even for being a “good person”), always think we’re the best, or the worst etc. The ordinary is, of course, actually miraculous ☺️

[@edkun456]

Excelent video, you are my favorite fitness youtuber.

[@bucherregaldomi9084]

12:15 "what happened to the difficult conversations we need to have" dude that was so powerful

[@agent__47]

I was waiting for this . Great video

[@rocknrollermaster]

Thank you for saying those things, we really need voices like yours to speak up

[@endresbielefeldt2050]

Sorry Adam, I think you are off base. Recently, our company got rejected for a business loan. The ESG criteria beeing the reason. When i asked, I got told because we have no women or trans people in leadership roles. I asked "if I would hypothetically identify as a woman, would that count?" They told me yes and by double the points and we would qualify. This is so silly that I can not really put my frustration into words. The idea of red pill and all it tries to save and shield has touched my livelihood, so I am in fact worried. The sheer fact that I can outmanouver well meant policy reflects my view of modernity and what the red pill tries to reject.

[@HeartlessKnave]

13:30 okay, but you can't deny that other struggling groups are being taught to blame cis/hetro/white/old/men for their struggles. It absolutely is the case that these other groups and minorities are being taught and told to use scapegoats and exactly who and what those scapegoats are. The go to is to literally attack the person for having any of the above traits as the reason for why their ideas or opinions are wrong and why they shouldn't be listened to or allowed to speak or have an opinion on the topic, rather than to refute the idea or argument itself.

[@TheBioneer]

I really don’t think that’s the case - at not for anyone reasonable. The attack is aimed largely at those in power who are able to create more fair systems. Not “all white men.” I’ve certainly never felt attacked and I don’t feel responsible for the state of the world. Nor should anyone, except the politicians that literally have the ability to make improvements.

[@DreamTerrorist]

You thought wrong. Its not White men in power btw. @@TheBioneer

[@walteri9727]

​@DreamTerrorist White men like Peterson are playing the victim card now.

[@HeartlessKnave]

​@@TheBioneerthen you're either blind to it, fine with it, or don't recognize it for what it is when you see it. Off the top of my head, go to audiobookbay and look up all the copies of "White Fragility, Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism - Robin DiAngelo" and read their comments sections. It's all over them. For decades now I have seen the exact behavior which I have described all over social media, especially Facebook which generally has pictures of the actual person. Ofttimes there is someone who will say "of course the straight white male needs to voice his opinion" on topics wherein those attributes have nothing to do with the post, topic, or argument.

[@snake_plant]

​​​​@@TheBioneerthe key point is "at least not anyone reasonable". Unfortunately just as the extremes of the right are amplified and spread, so too on the left and within minority spaces. I've seen some quite extreme or frankly bonkers takes once harmlessly confined to naive (predominately American) college students being tolerated or promoted inside large respectable institutions. Look at the harrowing Richard Bilkszto case - an extreme example but one highlighting how harassment, bullying and intolerance can be normalised or even rewarded today in the right circles. I think part of the problem is the many reasonable people just wanting the world to be a better place often are understandably reluctant to challenge or critique minority sources, opinions from those they see as more oppressed, or figures/institutes they otherwise would align with (the "good guys"). It's partly how we end up with controversies like the US BLMGNF at a most generous take "misplacing" donations made by those with good intentions - people unfortunately don't scrutinise certain figures enough when they promote positive messages.

[@BigDome1]

You've said Jordan Peterson is doing more damage to "civil discourse among society" then he is doing good, he literally became famous for defending free speech, and protesting against legally mandated speech. He has spent his entire career defending free speech. You might not like everything he says (and why should you? What kind of ideological hegemony are you looking for here?) but he has absolutely done more to defend civil discourse than almost anyone alive today. He has been attacked by a snarling, hypocritical mainstream media and radical leftist mob throughout all of this, and has been demonised and scrutinised more than pretty much anyone I can think of, all the while maintaining an openness to debate and discussion that very few display. I actually dislike a lot of what he says, but I have infinitely more respect for him than the large majority of public figures who basically stand for nothing. I am fairly sure that you would not have put as much on the line as he has to defend something you believe in, because if you would then you would at least respect what he has done. It's easier for you to buy whatever absolute nonsense the system tells you about why it's needs to control what you do, say and think. Safer that way. Almost everything you are saying in this video fits very neatly and easily into a prescribed, of-its-time, "progressive" (although not really), globalist world view. There isn't really anything smart about that, it's basically just the belief system that was given to you when you were born, and that there is almost no negative consequence for believing in. Trust the science, trust the media, fear the boogeyman. It's not a mindset that will hold up to any robust debate, and it's not really anything other than just a tepid, generic product of the era we lived in. In the 1950s, a guy with your personality type would probably have been banging a completely different drum, quite different from the one you're monotonously banging in this video. Stick to exercise man, you have some great content, but this video is bloody ridiculous.

[@TheBioneer]

I’ve answered a lot of these, so I’ll keep it brief. Your observation is a surface level of Jordan Peterson. Read a little deeper and what he’s doing is nothing like defending free speech. He’s pandering to a specific audience, rolling back progress, and disguising it as free speech. He is repeatedly caught out distorting facts, misunderstanding sources, and outright lying to support his points. It’s hard to credit him with any integrity, at this point. This is not the philosophy I was born into, at all. Don’t presume to know my background. This is the conclusion I came to on my own. And don’t assume I’ve done less research, or thought less deeply about this than you.

[@TheBeefCentral]

Uses hegemony and supports Jordan Peterson. Someone is confused lmao

[@BigDome1]

@@TheBioneer So, because you dislike some of what he says, he isn't defending free speech? I think you know there's no logic to that whatsoever. You're essentially saying that in order to credibly defend free speech, he has to meet your standards of credibility and conform to your worldview in every other area of his life. That's not how free speech works. In fact it's pretty much the opposite.

[@TheBioneer]

No - I’m saying if you listen to what he’s really saying, the content has nothing to do with freedom of speech. He uses it as a convenient excuse to stir the pot. He only presents one view and if you look at the pattern of topics he covers, free speech is clearly not his priority. In the example I gave, he misrepresents Bill C 16 and then later says in passing he did that - at least partially - to prevent gender confusion. He shows no interest in freedom of the press. Free speech in totalitarian countries. Etc etc. rather, he goes on to talk about climate change (which he knows nothing about) economics (which he knows nothing about) etc. Then he will say he’s just “sparking discussion.” Except there’s plenty of discussion and he’s actually always putting forward the less progressive view. He does this for marketing (be controversial, get views) and he does it to appease his fans and those funding him. In fact, he says no one should protest unless they have “tidied their rooms” (ie have no baggage). He openly tells students they have no right to protest with their limited worldview. Yet he’s perfectly allowed. Because of course his house is in perfect order… Not exactly a champion for free speech there. Recently, he tells people to become Christian even if they don’t believe in god and adopt those values because “who cares what you believe.” His actual words. Again: he doesn’t care about free speech. I don’t care what his views are, but he is extremely disingenuous in his representation of them.