The Dangerous Problem With Behringer

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[@davejennings6570]

Beihringer made me, an old man, very happy and answered my teenage dreams.

[@WrvrUgoThrUR]

Same here. I was a teenager drooling over the pages of Keboard magazine the way other guys my age were drooling over “other magazines”😂 now I’m a well-to-do 57 year-old with a room full of synths. Only one Behringer, but the competition has had to respond to their price/value challenge.

[@crnkmnky]

☺️

[@ElectroPanPipes]

As a teenager my dreams were to shag Claire & Lucy from sixth form. Dream bigger dude. Behringer never answered that dream btw

[@jpdsnz]

I'm not a big analog guy. Every synth I own is digital. I wanted at least 1 analog synth, and one of my favorites is the prophet line. I was able to finally get my prophet sound without breaking the bank. When the time comes, i'll purchase a vintage prophet 5 to display in my studio, but for now, I'm content with my Behringer pro8.

[@TaughtByTech]

yep, they are making great products

[@periurban]

I'm on Team Behringer. Whenever I look to buy music gear Behringer is my first port of call. They make good stuff cheap. They do cut corners in the quality of build sometimes, but I think they offer the kind of value for money that I find it impossible to ignore.

[@mohip050]

really? Behringer is the worst company? it’s not Lockheed Martin? not Dow Chemicals? oh no, it’s behringer because they… (checks notes) clone synths...

[@RealHomeRecording]

Right? I would certainly venture to say that some company that makes war machines is a lot worse.

[@alexanderthesk8]

I agree with you both that, No Behringer is not anywhere near as bad as a lot of companies out there. In that regard they are simply making consumer products. The problem is how those products are manufactured. As well as the living conditions of the people who do the manufacturing. The conditions inside the plant where the workers live and eat and socialize and work is under rigid and strict control. The treatment by management is not reported to be humane. There are also numerous reports of death and casualty that get covered up so as not to draw negative attention. When you do a little digging, it seems that the overwhelming amount of evidence points toward a company that is very negatively impacting its workers, its community and perhaps the world itself. I understand that people can't afford expensive items and they want to have an option they can take home. The problem is, the savings and huge price difference seem to be coming through the dehumanization of others. I don't need a keyboard that bad.

[@MsAdrian1958]

This is just regurgitated stuff we've heard many times before.

[@Steve-of8zo]

That's what KZbinrs do when they lack imagination for something original

[@DanteWilliams728]

Moog Muse $3,499. Behringer, reasonable and affordable.

[@AudioPilz]

God, I love Uli

[@komplexxor]

🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@bubuAudio]

😻 same here !! thanks Behringer !!

[@fatkev1983]

DFAM can bite my banger... Edge ftw.

[@philipd2252]

yes, and it ticks all the boxes 😛

[@G8tr1522]

😂😂😂 so many will miss the sarcasm

[@matthewrowles6881]

Team Behringer for life. I dont care what KZbin drama they get in, I don't care if they say something insensitive, offending people is awesome, and I definitely dont care what drama they have with influencers and content creators. I love thier products and the price they sell them so I will spend money with them, period. The "ethics" of the company will never ever once be a remote concern so long as that stays the case.

[@thesmallerbear3978]

For alot of us out here, we can't realistically afford to spend $2k - 3k on a synth or any other gear and still manage a household. For those of us that fit into this category, Behringer is a huge blessing. Sure it's a clone, but do people really think this hurts these original manufacturers? If someone can't afford a $3k synth, then they simply won't buy one and the manufacturer will get $0 from them whether they get a Behringer or not. Lamborghini isn't gonna go out of business coz there's a car out there with the same hp but way cheaper. The only people who would get upset about that are the people who can actually afford a Lambo in the first place. So for those who bring in less than $75k a year (which is 95% of all musicians), I'm glad that Behringer has products that can fit a much tighter budget. Now poor people can make music too 😁

[@TonyThomas10000]

Most electronic products are derivative. They copy the products that came before them and use the same circuit designs and even components. For example, in the world of guitar amps, look at Marshall. They copied the Fender Bassman circuit and made some modifications. Other tube amps also owe a lot to early designs by Fender and Vox.

[@ferenclucas2842]

A tb303 was $500 in 1986. That's $1500 today Td-3 sells for $149 That's 90% off Used real ones are $4000 Did we get totally ripped off by the "oligarchy" in the 80s? In 1986 I could have got my jx8p or a used car. Now roland wants to convert you to renting a screen picture of your favorite synth run on your own hardware because of the profitable subscription model. Then it shuts off when you stop paying. Are we improving music or improving profitability. Because still feels like being ripped off 35 years later

[@t1merickson]

Roland is such a terrible reference point when we have Korg making original, innovative, affordable analog and digital synths. There are options beyond Behringer.

[@zackcolbourne6921]

Roland sucks, too, but you have a lot of options if you want a 303 sound in hardware form.

[@jumpstar9000]

@@t1merickson Korg is a terrible example. The Opsix Mk2 and Modwave Mk2 modules are £700 each, the King Korg £1000. Heck, even a Minilogue XD is £500. That is a lot of money. A better example would be Arturia. The Minifreak provides a lot of synth for less than £500, and I even consider that expensive for most people. I don't know what world you are living in that you think it isn't. Inflation is through the roof across the planet, and many people barely get by. Ditching on poor people isn't the flex you think it is when everyone is broke in this economy.

[@miffebarbez]

And you could have had an tt analogique clone for years before Behringer... Best sounding 303 clone imo... Sure it's more "expensive" but not unnaffordable....

[@zackcolbourne6921]

@@jumpstar9000 What about the Volcas? Also, Korg synths are easy to get used. I see a lot more of them around than Behringer ones.

[@chuckwagon7860]

Behringer can make products so inexpensive because they manufacture in-house a huge portion of the chips and components other manufacture purchase from....no middle man. Scott from JHS Pedals did a great video on this.

[@Michael-xr5yx]

Because of Behringer I own a 16 voice OBXA copy, a minimoog copy, and a DFAM copy (that's better than the actual Moog product because it syncs to midi clock), and they all sound incredible and work perfectly. That's pretty awesome in my book.

[@DankePlace]

Until they need repairing.

[@Michael-xr5yx]

@@DankePlace They haven't yet. If they ever do, the model d and edge (dfam copy) are so cheap I may as well buy a new one. The UBXA is so much cheaper than the alternatives (there aren't even any alternatives if you take into account the fact that UBXA is 16 voices) that it would take a hell of a lot of repeated repairs before it reached the initial cost of any competing unit.

[@DankePlace]

@@Michael-xr5yx that's where you're wrong, the Teo 5 competes with the UBXa quite easily, 5 voice vs 16 garbage, and the SEM filter with that mod matrix. You make zero sense.

[@Michael-xr5yx]

@@DankePlace "durrrr more voices are stupid so you're wrong" it appears you're an idiot. I'm sorry I spent the time to respond to you like a real human being.

[@DankePlace]

@@Michael-xr5yx seems you missed the SEM filter? The 16 voices in the UBXa sound average, compared to the Teo 5's stellar sounding. Why does that upset you? If you want to behave like a child, I'll treat you like one. The Teo 5 ( that's the Oberhiem offering) has 5 voices which are far more capable than the non SEM equivalent of the 16 voice UBXa, both are very similarly priced, but one with lesser voices sounds better, why?

[@catapfract]

Love Beringer ,I would never have touch synthesiser if it wasn't Beringer ...so God bless them

[@krazywabbit]

Behringer will copy your channel next.

[@DankePlace]

and his soul.

[@McSalty087]

And make it cheap

[@stacypuckett]

Beaver Wheats!

[@DankePlace]

@@stacypuckett Heaver Bweats

[@MrJonnyharry]

And add a sequencer.

[@CAMMYSINCLAIR]

Should I burn my Yamaha Strat?

[@melvinvasquez8518]

People don't give a dam about business ethics. We care about value.

[@flazay_da]

As a broke hobbyist, I love Behringer

[@vitaobassbr]

I live in a third world country. The only way to I put my hands in some good and cheap analog device its Behringer or some very, I mean, very limited models from other manufactures. I don't care about cloning and I have some behringer gear for twelve years and they still work great(four guitar pedals and a mixer). Some Boss and Digitech pedals that I have didnt last so long. thank you behringer, keep the good work.

[@heymynameisharry]

don't thank behringer, criticize your government

[@vitaobassbr]

@@heymynameisharry While it's true that local policies play a role, I believe the larger issue lies in the historical and ongoing exploitation by imperialist first-world countries. These nations have benefited from systems that suppress the economic growth of developing countries through unfair trade practices, debt traps, and neocolonialism. So, while I can criticize local governance, I also recognize that the global economic system is rigged to benefit wealthier nations at the expense of the poor. That's why I'm thankful for companies like Behringer that make technology more affordable, despite these challenges. Fuck USA

[@vitaobassbr]

@@heymynameisharry While it's true that local policies play a role, I believe the larger issue lies in the historical and ongoing exploitation by imperialist first-world countries. These nations have benefited from systems that suppress the economic growth of developing countries through unfair trade practices, debt traps, and neocolonialism. So, while I can criticize local governance, I also recognize that the global economic system is rigged to benefit wealthier nations at the expense of the poor. That's why I'm thankful for companies like Behringer that make technology more affordable, despite these challenges.

[@candragoras]

Behringer just sounds great! And that annoys those who sell more expensively.

[@FlySky-rb8wb]

How is this a bad thing? Basic economic theory demonstrates that when companies have to compete for customers, it leads to lower prices, higher quality goods and services, greater variety, and more innovation.

[@mjrisinsd6836]

I think the subscription plans rolled out by companies like Roland and Native Instruments are more “dangerous” than Behringer. Maybe if these companies actually made the gear we rely on Behringer instead of antagonizing legitimate competition, we would have more choices in the market. Also, synths are too expensive, and it is has everything to do with greed and nothing to do with necessary cost recoupment. Team Behringer ALL DAY

[@UndulaeMusic]

eagerly awaiting next week's video "Behringer Is Suing Me"

[@e.apollis2877]

you go Berry! Now make us poor fellas some SSL desks!!!

[@Stuart68-s6f]

What company doesn`t copy these days !.....look at Dyson he didn`t invent the fucking hoover !

[@urbannpa]

What Beheringer does business wise is none of My business, I'm happy when I can afford (on a fixed income) to buy and enjoy a synthesizer that I can afford, Just waiting on the Grind!.

[@lundsweden]

Behringer is the BEST company, Roland is the one serving reheated plastic trash for inflated prices!

[@DankePlace]

By best, do you mean best at producing shit? Then 100% agree with you.

[@lundsweden]

@@DankePlace Behringer Pro-800 is one of my favourite synths, I have everything to from vintage Roland, modern Roland/Korg etc.

[@DankePlace]

@@lundsweden cool story but what does a Sequential synth have to do with Roland or Korg?

[@HazeAnderson]

@@DankePlace they are getting cloned for the masses to and there is nothing you can do about it.

[@river718]

The part where you said that Behringer doesn't spend money on research and development is very untrue. I have a friend who is an engineer that works for them and they spend a lot of coin in developing their tributes. Where they do however save money on is in the area of chip manufacturing and parts. The irony of this is that Roland, Korg, Moog, and other brands use parts manufactured by Behringer which owns a manufactoring city in China and I'm talking about a literal city where people work live, etc...

[@G8tr1522]

there is certainly a lot to research as far as lowering the noise floor, signal quality, reducing EMI, grounding. You have to admit though that trying to steal a guy's last name is pretty low 😂

[@HazeAnderson]

@@G8tr1522 "You have to admit though that trying to steal a guy's last name is pretty low" turns out he made it possible for that guy to get his name back, in the long run.

[@maxmeier532]

@@G8tr1522 they werent trying to steal a last name, they wanted to use a name that is associated with a product by choice of the guy with the name. They also didnt try to steal anything, they wanted to be able to use the name legally and that legal filing failed. Stop this fake drama.

[@G8tr1522]

@@maxmeier532 okay, fair enough. But why does behringer single out individuals on the internet and harass them? they have every right to do so. But why? grow a pair! no?

[@richardthayer5907]

cool.

[@kaszaniarz]

I only have Behringer 2500 modules, because only alternative is oryginal ARP 2500, which people sell sometimes for around 60000$

[@dirtyharry1881]

I only have Behringer D, because the original costed sth like 20000, and the new one from Moog sth like 5000.

[@totalSLACK]

you can use this logic for ANY of their synths. That's the whole point. No one REALLY cares unless it gets them to b given free gear to push on their KZbin channel..

[@cresshead]

their range of affordable products made other manufacturers look at similar price points to compete with their own products - korg, roland etc. for the consumer it's win win.. and if your a dentist or pharmaceutical distributor you have the luxury of the $5k synths too.

[@e.apollis2877]

why do i have do support a product that is overpriced when Beringer came to the rescue??

[@linix4037]

Dude. Did you move my toothpaste? Where's my toothpaste?

[@Timecop1983]

You can say whatever you want about Behringer and their practices. But they do have R&D costs. Albeit much less than the original creator. But they do have to develop the clone, which is just putting the same IC's and resistors on a circuit board and thinking that works.

[@crnkmnky]

😳

[@cosmoschtroumpf]

No, it's not just putting same ic 'so because many don' t exist anymore....

[@xkidmidnightx]

Maybe these other companies should have put out the things people wanted long ago.

[@Heathcliff_hensel]

What a mind blowing concept!

[@pinatacolada7986]

I know right. It's like - "You weren't born in 1949 so you will never have a EMS VCS 3."... Why not?

[@katiebarber407]

synths are wayyyyy too expensive though . idk if clones "need" to exist, but synth prices certainly are too high, even digital ones

[@t1merickson]

Analog synths are a super niche market. There's just not enough interested buyers for economies of scale to work for most small synth brands. That said, there are affordable options from Korg and others that are able to order production runs of thousands at a time.

[@HazeAnderson]

@@t1merickson So what is wrong with having affordable synths made by KORG, Roland, Teenage Engineering AND Behringer?

[@katiebarber407]

@@t1merickson i mean, theyd be way less niche if they werent so expensive, theyd sell more, and probably end up with more profit. just my opinion

[@katiebarber407]

@@HazeAnderson teenage engineering has realized they can just keep selling calculators for the price of cars, and make all the money they want from people with more money than ... frugality

[@maxmeier532]

@@HazeAnderson since when is TE affordable.

[@e.apollis2877]

and Warm audio is an angel???🙄

[@krysalanhawk]

Please stop this tired old argument bandwagon.

[@talldarkstrangerpr]

Don't you dare to be anywhere near my bathroom. Use the guest bathroom!

[@cakebabyman5090]

Reverse engineering isn't easy or cheap, that's comparable with R&D time and expense so you are wrong. Behringer are bringing products to market that users want at great prices. There's nothing stopping the original manufacturers doing the same.

[@marizuokereke7347]

Nonsense. Much of the time, they are ripping devices that have full service schematics available. The Behringer TurD3 ripped off the open source xOx Heart. Costs of doing this are way lower than designing something from scratch.

[@Bloor005]

Again, another YT user with strawmen arguments. This video isnt about clones, its about behaviour. Do you Behringer Bros have a guilty conscience or something?

[@novalogue]

I wonder how hard it is to just put the same or equivalent electronic component at the same place in the exact same order

[@maxmeier532]

@@marizuokereke7347 that is disproven by the fact that a lot of these synth take years from first prototyping to actual mass production. you're just talking straight of your smelly ass.

[@maxmeier532]

@@Bloor005 and this behaviour is your concern in the world we live in today, because? because you have no real problems to worry about? because the world isnt on fire and we should drown out all the noise with this fake high school drama about who did what? come on now.

[@NexxuSix]

7:50 @Jerred, its 1AM… *What* are you doing in my bathroom? 😂

[@tjcarr70]

Probably crying over his 40 year old synth.

[@bLiNdEDM]

I have a TD-3-MO and I only use it when waiting for things to install. It’s never made it to a record lol

[@emiel333]

@3:51 “All music created with UB-Xa” *guitar playing in the background on a neat beat 😂

[@crnkmnky]

❓

[@danielscott7985]

I dont get all the the hate videos for behringer. I love my deepmind12. All they do is make things affordable. Find someone worth trashing cough* teenage engineering cough*

[@tjcarr70]

Apple or Tesla would be a start!

[@crnkmnky]

Well, you already know Weaver will talk about TE soon enough.

[@mo_kin]

Yeah what the f**k is with the teenage engineering pricing? Feels like they justify the cost for the aesthetic looks. Form over function

[@Arcessitor]

@@mo_kin But their form is trash? Their desk looks awful.

[@jasonbeatty831]

I actually really liked the deep mind and the neutron. They clearly had some good people making some synths with great ideas, pity they couldn’t double down on that instead.

[@crnkmnky]

waiting on the Proton…

[@thainmlh]

when is someone going to make an outrage video about how EVERYONE clones Stratocasters... :-/

[@wrmusic8736]

"making VST of a hardware is not the same as making a clone of a hardware" - yes, making a clone is a lot harder. You basically have to reverse engineer every component and then spend the next year or two with a breadboard and a soldering iron making sure your stuff actually sounds like one versus not caring and releasing your synth as is. So 'cloning' is actually a part where Behringer deserves a nod. It's anything non-hardware related of theirs that is the big problem.

[@MULTIMAN-MUSIC]

They don’t reverse engineer though, they copy existing schematics. The proof is how they never implement MIDI CC other than MIDI note in.

[@wrmusic8736]

@@MULTIMAN-MUSIC how can you implement existing schematics if you don't have the IC to build these? Behringer had to reverse engineer CEM3320 and CEM3340, as well as BA662, not to mention supporting components that aren't being made anymore

[@MULTIMAN-MUSIC]

@@wrmusic8736 I was speaking about reverse engineering, not having to manufacture obsolete ICs, which yes it’s mandatory if they want to sound identical. But please explain to me all the modern Moog clones, the Arturia USB MIDI controller… how does the at help? Well they use the same attitude for cloning absolutely anything and try to kill the smaller brands.

[@wrmusic8736]

​@@MULTIMAN-MUSIC reverse engineering is literally the main requirement for manufacturing "obsolete" ICs. It's not like Behringer has schematics and tools for e.g. Roland's chips casually lying around (that Roland apparently doesn't have anymore either). Modern Moog clones? These are weird and pointless and only result in "why?". Because due to InMusic being as legally horny as Behringer themselves - they don't sound the same, they are not the same under the hood and they are not the same on the hood either. They just hint they are supposedly alike. Which they aren't. So yeah. But please let's not pretend Moog exists at this point. InMusic is basically manufacturing "Moog" synths "across the street" from Behringer and I'd rather be pissed that a Chinese-made One is sold for the ridiculous profit margin which is probably like 4x at this point. Arturia? Yeah that one sucks. It's probably very different underneath too, but that one IS like a Chinese "iPhone" from 2010.

[@MULTIMAN-MUSIC]

@@wrmusic8736 Ok man whatever rides your boat. I’m a mechanical and electronics engineer myself, believe me when I say I know what reverse engineering is and how easy is to clone anything just based on data sheets and schematics. I haven’t got anything against Behringer personally, but you know as someone who has been in the industry for way over 20 years, I’ve seen plenty of clones and knock-offs by Behringer for eons… from Mackie consoles, to genelec speakers, to boss pedals… I particularly loved their own products, I owned a BCA and BCF2000, also one of those xeynix mixers. And unfortunately none did it to the 3 year mark without something crucial breaking. The most Important thing, have fun and make music. Accumulation of gear just for Instagram posts with boring loops is 90% of what I see from hardware enthusiasts.

[@jloiben12]

In many ways, this is just their marketing. It is part of their business model

[@Anamnesia]

7:26 "What is this?" - that chick looks like the woman in the *_"Try AN ALE"_* where the "E" is folded away on her shirt...

[@templarCH]

"Neid" is the German word for "recognition"...

[@myownbiggestfan]

"Conflicted" is a great way to describe my relationship with my Bee Ringer 303 clone. It's fun as hell, and sounds as good as I need it, and yes, cheap af. I make myself feel better that the only way to get this sound and form factor is to spend more on something that's also a clone.

[@myownbiggestfan]

@@DankePlace Sir, this is a Wendy's....

[@myownbiggestfan]

@@alexwestconsulting Dang. Good points there. I wasn't aware of that level of plagarism. Sigh. Still, I'm broke and a nobody, so I'm not going to burn my 303. 😔

[@myownbiggestfan]

@@alexwestconsulting Yeah, the Bad Gear video almost sold me on it.

[@Smiteforce]

Wait ... Copy behringer? Isnt that a nine inch nails song? Copy of a copy...

[@Swodie_Jeetin]

Sucks that people feel the need to shame others for wanting gear they can afford. No corporation is an angel under capitalism. This just feels lazy and at this point, bringing up the same stuff from 3 and 4 years ago, you're creating the drama, not Uli.

[@ElectroPanPipes]

That’s the backstory. The recent drama is them, again on FB. That they since deleted. Same as the deleted Loopop comment months ago. They purposely do it for drama. As it’s their only avenue of marketing. Then they play victim. Some love it, some don’t. But it’s on them either way.

[@FreakOTechnology]

If you haven’t already figured it out, the “social media manager” is Uli

[@DankePlace]

Yeah and he does a shit job of it.

[@HazeAnderson]

@@DankePlace Their synths are selling like hot cakes, hat of as.

[@DankePlace]

@@HazeAnderson You mean smelling like hot shit? hat as I got a degreeeee. As you were muppet.

[@crnkmnky]

"Always has been."

[@VincentsVideoVisions]

Ive owned Behringer products for well over 20 years at this point. These original companies have had *decades* to give people what they want, and some of the companies aren't even around anymore. Copying happens all of the time, in every industry. If you look at Eurorack in particular you can find hundreds of examples of 'borrowed' circuits and designs, but nobody cares. Behringer is just the industry whipping boy. Its true that in the past they did release several products that were known for being of relatively low quality, or having a higher than average failure rate... but that isnt the Behringer of today. Are there still issues? Sure, but not as many as there used to be. I have several newer Behringer products and they all work great and are a total bargain. I will be buying more too!

[@Bloor005]

Did you miss the entire point of this video?

[@maxmeier532]

@@Bloor005 you mean the big nothing-burger?

[@jayodea503]

I have a few of their clones sitting around, RD-6, TD-3 x 2, Pro800, UBxa, Pro VS mini and I have a Deepmind 12. love them all and could not give a single flying fuck about what goes on in the background with the company or any of the drama.

[@VincentsVideoVisions]

Same. Imagine being mad that a company is releasing affordable analog recreations?

[@tgfjrfjfgjgfj]

Yeah as long as the product is good i don't see the problem here, concurrents like this one are great for customers

[@TheStoneTapeSimulacrum]

Is everyone going to get their knickers in a twist about the impulse responses of classic units being used in plugins? The interfaces of said plugins being marketed as sounding like the original units with design elements that make them look like the original units? Or do we only get annoyed by physical products?

[@dannyatx]

real

[@ChumpyDumps]

You have to write code for software. That falls under different product grounds than physical stuff (trademark vs copyright). But you bring up a good point, if great software VSTs exist why are people buying a bunch of Overpriced Behringer clones. I can get almost every synth Behringer has cloned in the Arturia instruments bundle for the price of one Behringer synth.

[@TheStoneTapeSimulacrum]

@@ChumpyDumps I for one prefer hardware these days even though I could spend considerably less and I guess that's why Behringers price point makes them attractive. Agree re the software aspect but the ethical dilemma, whether legal or not, remains: we're lapping up clones/ copies/ emulations in the software realm yet I don't hear any arguments like this one.

[@djlick2]

This video, and the issue, isn't REALLY about the cloning they do. It would be one thing, if that was ALL they did. But trying to sue a company and people in a forum for defamation, trying to copyright a name of another company or person, and generally just messing around with how they say stuff online.....that's where they get themselves into trouble. If it was just the copying, no one would probably say anything. Something that you do have to keep in mind, if you do get a behringer synth, they aren't known as the highest, most reliable synths, or that their build quality is great. It's OK for the price points they have, but there's a lot of drift in their analog circuits, as well as other issues with functionality, like absolutely no interface controls for working with a computer. They're weirdly not modern, while trying to update the synths, which indicates cutting corners. I own a behringer synth, I'm not a hater, I'm only stating what's happening. They step in it on social media, and their products are good, but are priced cheaply for a reason, and you can get better for not a lot more money, if you just look. Ethically it's a little weird to buy a behringer product vs a software developer, who, if they use the name of the synth, they pay a licensing fee for that, ala the V collection from Arturia. Still they just need to stop posting stupid stuff online, and trying to do weird legal things.

[@Bloor005]

No. My issue with Behringer is the quality control, and the way Uli behaves like Little-Elon. IRs and plugins are not the same as cloning either... they are using a different method from a completely different angle.

[@taboo_tech7274]

I love behringer ❤❤❤

[@Necrobot777]

Here's a novel idea.. Stop worshipping brands, manufacturers and/or corporations. If you want to be a fan, be a fan of a person and the art or music they create... or maybe the philanthropy they engage in... not a corporation. Corporations are not fans of you... the relationship is strictly business. They sell their products in such a way so that they can maximize their profits. CEOs always need the latest yachts. In this relationship, you the consumer decide whether or not to purchase the product based upon the merits and quality of the product. If any manufacturer wishes for a sustainable business enterprise, it is their responsibility to ensure that they provide a quality product, or that they address defects in a fair, equitable and professional manner. As a consumer in this relationship, you decide IF you wish to purchase the product or not... based on the attributes outlined above and how these are calculated within your own cost/benefit analysis. Corporations and organizations are not your friend or relative. They do not care about you... they care about your money. That's how they sustain themselves within the world of business... and grow their market share. That's it! Everything else is some form of an activists crusade or virtue-signaling. Admittedly, Uli Behringer has been a bit of a troll and some of Behringer's retaliatory behavior has been very 'unprofessional' and 'unadult'... not to mention petty. I can't speak for the KZbin community, but I have worked for several abusive and oppressive organizations and manager structures. If the employees at Behringer are treated in a similar manner, lets all be thankful that they are not our employer. But everyone should recognize that most of these organizations are not your friends... they don't love you and you shouldn't love any of them. If you enjoy a product... if it takes you where you want to go... that's a win!! My friend enjoys his Toyota Rav4... but I think we all would agree that Toyota's recent chesting on vehicle testing is shifty and dangerous... and definitely more concerning than Uli Behringer KOing some old or overpriced synth from an elitist or has-been manufacturer. But would someone be a fan of Toyota? Wear Toyota swag? It seems silly to be a billboard for a corporation to me... unless they're paying you. Again... Behringer might not engage in the most ethical business practices. But at the end of the day... these are business practices. You know who else has engaged in some awful business practices... Comcast/Xfinity... KZbin/Google/Alphabet... KPMG... Apple... Amazon... Open AI... and I probably would not want to work for any of these organizations as a low-level/mid-level employee either. But, as an economically challenged person very interested in industrial and electronic music, should I simply forego this hobby and leave it to those with more surplus cash to spend on higher priced synths from Erica Synths/Moog/Oberheim?!? FUCK THAT!! So, I have purchased and will continue to purchase Behringer products that I like... I will watch and read reviews for several months before committing. But, when the price is in my range, I also purchase from other synth manufacturers. I recently acquired the 'East Beast' from Cre8audio for $250.00. That item is priced in such an affordable manner, Behringer couldn't possibly undercut it!! If more organizations paid a higher wage to the low-level and mid-level workers, and limited the highest corporate salaries, we might all have more surplus cash on hand to purchase the Moogs/Oberheim/Waldorfs out there... but that's not gonna happen. As it stands, AI is in the initial stages of creating all kinds of efficiencies for corporations. You know what important factor is not being considered as more organizations pursue AI? Human beings. As AI is further developed, those efficiencies will replace the need for many low-level and mid-level jobs. Think of all the money that corporations will save when they don't need to hire any of us. We won't be thinking about Uli Behringer too much after that happens. Life is hard and only getting harder. There are waaayyy bigger issues out there than Behringer. Stop worshipping brands. Stop purchasing items at elitist prices... and maybe if these companies could offer their products at far more reasonable prices for the people in my financial status (or lack thereof), there'd be no market for Behringer.

[@crnkmnky]

tl;dr Just kidding. This might be the only worthwhile comment on this video! 👍

[@Necrobot777]

​@crnkmnky I can definitely be verbose... maybe I need a KZbin channel where I engage in constant op-eds rather than just footage of my hands using equipment to make actual DAWless IDM and acid jams. 😂 But it's like... all these cats go after the low-hanging fruit when there is shit going on that is far worse and much more complicated than Behringer's business model.

[@EarlyMist]

Well said.

[@edenhunter9904]

So why have they not been successfully sued for intellectual property theft? I don't get it.

[@andelys6310]

Hey Weaver, you kind of act like Behringer... we've already heard these stories for a few years now.. Nobody creates totally new things

[@jumpstar9000]

There is literally a quote by Tom Oberheim on the Oberheim website... "Thanks to Uli and the team at Music Tribe and Behringer, I own the worldwide rights to my name for the first time since 1985,” added Tom. “It is a wonderful homecoming, and it is a thrill to once again be able to have the Oberheim name and logo placed on my products.”

[@G8tr1522]

hmm.... interesting.

[@G8tr1522]

good research.

[@Luapbeatz]

Thx for the Info... good to know... Nice

[@Bloor005]

Does not mean he collaborated does it. Does not affect his reputation or history either. Behringer can still be fibbing and Tom still be telling the truth about collaborations.

[@jumpstar9000]

@@chokocat9064 BDS

[@cefngwyn]

Not everyone with a home studio can afford a Moog Modular System 55, an ARP 2600, an RSF Kobol, or ANY of of the original iconic synths from the 60's, 70's or 80's. What Uli Behringer is doing is enabling budding musicians like myself to flesh-out their electronic dreams and make them a reality. Your arguments fall on poor, deaf ears my friend.

[@Necrobot777]

Benn Jordan's take on Behringer is more nuanced... definitely worth a watch after this one. It doesn't defend Behringer... rather it puts these tired complaints into a better perspective.

[@bestkoreanjesus]

everyone can make copies except for behringer!!!

[@Bloor005]

Nah. Clones are generally not a problem (esp if patents and copyright arent an issue). Cloning has never been an issue at all.

[@triplebeam23]

Ya you must be talking about vsts and that's like comparing apples to oranges.. you don't give a shit because you don't own or work for one of the companies behringer is stealing from

[@donnydarko7624]

@@alexwestconsulting I would say warm audio, but for one warm audio is basically only cloning $1000+ products, and they send Cease and desists to users of synth forums for being vocal about some pretty disgusting business practices, or try and copyright a person's name for vindictive reasons. Also they have never cloned products currently made by a company and sold for only a couple hundred lessand (most likely) in doing so played a contributing role in that company's bankruptcy.

[@mjrisinsd6836]

@@triplebeam23it’s not stealing because no one buying a Behringer is in the market for a $5k synth. They are serving a market IGNORED by the greedy companies that price their synths equipment so high AND have all but stopped making new stuff, so overly focused on continuously cashing in on old designs.

[@mjrisinsd6836]

@@triplebeam23why is it apples to oranges? Looking for a vst or sampled solution is the first thing I do before ever considering a hardware purchase. Most producers I know have large sample libraries…most of which are sounds they autosampled at a studio from gear they can’t afford. I would think soft synths take way more business away from manufacturers than a clone, which still requires a decent amount of money and adequate storage space. How many $5k synths can a person have? At some point, we need to address the fact that prices are too damn high. A Roland Fantom is nearly $4k…for basically a bunch of the same plug-ins we replicate ourselves now. These companies are getting what they deserve imo.

[@Tripwelleverday]

Weaver trying to get synth companies to send him the prereleases when I’ve only seen him play a monologue……

[@crnkmnky]

Weaver is not a hardware man at all. But maybe that could change after studying a few pre-releases… 😂

[@Usul]

I am disappointed this drama virus keeps spreading. Those of us who have actually been following the development of the UB-XA and Behringer's statements around it realize that this one is more than a little blown out of proportion. Things like this just make more bad blood and upsets people.

[@bpsd24k]

Behringer is making gear for musicians... the other brands are like "make money, money, make money, money, moneeeeyyyy...!"...

[@SpaceCapsuleOne]

I refuse to pay Balenciaga prices - Teenage Engineering? Buickla? I have a vintage Minimoog and love it - But I'll also say its not worth 5k (for a reissue) or 12k for a vintage.

[@DankePlace]

You should add all the other stuff you posted too. @SpaceCapsuleOne 7 hours ago Its not Behringer that is the problem. Its people's reaction to Behringer that is the problem. ^^ No Behringer IS the problem. @SpaceCapsuleOne 7 hours ago Behringer provides access to the vintage collection of your dreams at prices your accountant will approve. ^^ You must dream of shit. @SpaceCapsuleOne 7 hours ago Screeming at Behringer is like howling at the moon. You can do it all day and all night long and in the end, nothing will happen. The moon is still there! ^^ Screaming*, but you are pigeon holing people for their opinions, gate keeping like some desperate brown nosing Uli supporter. UBXa sounds like shit, Teo 5 runs rings around it and they cost about the same, screech screech.

[@SpaceCapsuleOne]

@@DankePlace You should add all the other stuff you posted too. *****Let's do it! I stand by my statements. @SpaceCapsuleOne 7 hours ago Its not Behringer that is the problem. Its people's reaction to Behringer that is the problem. ^^ No Behringer IS the problem. ****** I beg to differ. .... Look, I understand that Behringer has made some dumb moves, but nothing in my mind is a reason to hate on them. Laugh at them yes and laugh I do - not hate on them, not to the point of cancelation. Is anyone dying here? Nope. What is the problem again? Oh, some journalist who bagged on a company gets a little push back? Sounds like weak sauce to me. @SpaceCapsuleOne 7 hours ago Behringer provides access to the vintage collection of your dreams at prices your accountant will approve. ^^ You must dream of shit. ******* If dreaming of vast sonic soundscapes created by synthesizers both new and old, expensive and cheap, domestic and import is considered shit, then call me a pig!!! You know what they say about wrestling with a pig don't you? :D @SpaceCapsuleOne 7 hours ago Screeming at Behringer is like howling at the moon. You can do it all day and all night long and in the end, nothing will happen. The moon is still there! ^^ Screaming*, but you are pigeon holing people for their opinions, gate keeping like some desperate brown nosing Uli supporter. UBXa sounds like shit, Teo 5 runs rings around it and they cost about the same, screech screech. ****** I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at me being the one who is pigeon holing people for their own opinions. (which is exactly what you appear to be doing here). Have you had a chance to hear and play a UBXa in person? I have. I didnt have any problems with it but will say you are right about one thing - the TEO* 5 does run rings around it and I do plan on adding it to my lineup (over the UBXa) - so at least we agree on one thing.

[@crnkmnky]

@@SpaceCapsuleOne your reply to @dankeplace is invisible. I disagree that the Kirn retaliation is harmless or justifiable, otherwise you make sense.

[@DankePlace]

@@crnkmnky I don't know the context of what was said, but this guy supports a channel that only alienates others, it is in full support of Behringer only and shuts out any other manufacturer in the process. It's a sad cult, one that objectifies women, which is funny given what we saw that guy screeching about Peter Kirn and his rebuttal to a woman who is transphobic. Peter Kirn was sticking up for his trans friends in his posts, but the guy screeching about Peter Kirn thinks it was an outright attack on a woman. I mean to get the whole context wrong, and then the same guy objectifies women himself, see the irony?

[@DankePlace]

@@SpaceCapsuleOne **** I beg to differ. .... Look, I understand that Behringer has made some dumb moves, but nothing in my mind is a reason to hate on them. Laugh at them yes and laugh I do - not hate on them, not to the point of cancelation. Is anyone dying here? Nope. What is the problem again? Oh, some journalist who bagged on a company gets a little push back? Sounds like weak sauce to me. ^^ But it's not just Peter Kirn, it's all the associated lies that come with it, and if you think trying to trade mark a journalist name is no big deal, then you're apart of the problem. So Behringer lied about working with Oberhiem, lied about Loopop, lied that they were listening, lied about being honest, too much weak sauce for you? Funny that you use the word "hate", but it's not what is happening here, you use it as a crutch to formulate an overly used "opinion" that doesn't exist, ie hyperbole. Just because people wont put up with shit, doesn't mean that's hate or cancellation,

[@OtisKanno]

I need Behringer to clone expensive analog DJ mixers and homes.

[@bubuAudio]

🤣

[@gctechs]

homes?

[@VincentsVideoVisions]

I'd live in a cheap behringer pod home on a couple acres of land lol

[@DetroitMicroSound]

I'd love a Playdifferently Model 1 that isn't insanely expensive, for only 6 stereo ins, and a pair of fully stereo auxes. .

[@OtisKanno]

@@DetroitMicroSound Yep if behringer makes one I'm copping sorry Richie Hawtin

[@AbsurdTV1]

Wow, you fixed my sink thank you!!!

[@kentaccordionist]

So you don’t want awesome music gear at awesome prices. That’s your business but don’t be bleating about it to those of us that do. Like millions of musicians worldwide I will always buy ulis excellent products.

[@Hello-pl2qe]

Competition in business, including cost cutting, helps the world move forward. Imagine a world where your favorite musicians couldn't even afford their first instruments. As long as behringers products don't crap out in a few months after buying they provide a great value to their customers and make things accessible to many people who would have to go without otherwise. Would I rather spend life wishing I had an original Model D for 3k that I couldn't scrape together or just buy something for 1/10th of the cost? Most people aren't complaining about 90% of the products in their house made affordable by China after stealing our tech. Competition makes the world turn. Embrace it.

[@HazeAnderson]

"As long as behringers products don't crap out in a few months ..." my Model D and Neutron are six years old now and still going strong. I have not even had to calibrate my Model D, but yes, the center point for "in tune" has drifted considerably enough to warrant a recalibration if I were anal retentive about that kind of thing. 😆

[@hulkslayer626]

Wait... so their UB-Xa is the same as the original? So they lied when they said they updated it, added additional features, made prototypes, revised them, sent them out to people for feedback, revised them again, tested them again and then finalized the design? They lied when they said they did all that research and development into updating it and making additional features? Yeah, that is messed up. Didn't realize they skipped all research and development and just made a copy to dave money...

[@tjcarr70]

Tis just a bad attempt at click bate tbh, he must be lacking views. All your points are valid.

[@DetroitMicroSound]

This dude's entire persona is sensationalist. What I would love to know is WHERE'S ALL THE PERSONAL MUSIC CONTENT, THAT SHOWS HE HAS A SOAPBOX TO STAND ON?

[@crnkmnky]

@@DetroitMicroSound 💁‍♀️ *It's. On. Spotify.*

[@DetroitMicroSound]

@@crnkmnky I use spotify as much as I do X, which is not once, ever. Where is his KZbin music-making content, tracks, performances? GEAR????? It's all just shit-talking, drama, and gossip, here. Talk is cheap, and a very large number of his videos, are clickbaity....Which is really why so many people watch his rants. A lot of people need drama in their lives. I guess they are bored, because they are not making music.

[@crnkmnky]

@@DetroitMicroSound Fair enough. Weaver is quite capable of producing interesting electronic music, but he knows nothing outside of software, and he knows that the audience is not here for his music.

[@HububkiFilms]

This particular “controversy” is COMPLETELY MANUFACTURED by the haters. There’s TONS of legitimate criticism, why gin up a fake story…honestly it has the opposite effect. The language in the post exactly matches the authorization they received from Oberheim…full stop. Tom Oberheim essentially contradicted himself in his post because he portrayed it like Behringer’s post was inaccurate, but then inadvertently verifies that they did INDEED have permission (aka AUTHORIZATION) to release the UB-XA. They never claimed it was a collaboration…that was all Tom’s misrepresentation🙄Stick to the legit stuff, this is annoying.

[@uyscuti5376]

Behringer has some great synths out now. My one concern is the drama. If I take Behringer gear to a show, will I get grief due to people's polarized opinions about the company? If someone sees me performing on a Behringer instrument, will they just keep scrolling, at least more than they already do? A lot of people have complaints about Behringer, and a lot of that criticism is correct and valid. I wish that if you're gonna go in on Behringer, you could focus more on the technical aspects. For example, what are the differences between an UB-XA and an original OBXA, besides the obvious modern touches? I'm assuming since the OBXA was DCO that it's "voice on a chip," so does the UB-XA use the same chips? Things like that. The terrible social media shit really does make Behringer look gross, but it just gets lost in the chaos of the internet.

[@sevengrin]

gonna be real with you: nobody cares what gear you're using, just as long as you're making good music

[@Dubotic303]

Nobody cares what you are using. And why do you care what people think as long as you are making good music and enjoying it. I have seen lots of lives made on Behringer equipment and I have no once cared about what equipment was being used. I care only whether I like the music or not. I have seen music made on $100000 setups and it was pure shite.

[@uyscuti5376]

@@Dubotic303 you say nobody cares but I think people care. And I almost never see videos or lives with Behringer gear.

[@kristianTV1974]

​@uyscuti5376 it's called a difference of opinion. I'm afraid you need to learn to live with it too.

[@MichaelWashingtonAE]

​@@uyscuti5376go to a different city, you'll see it

[@MrAw3sum]

I feel like the long nose in that joke synth was more a reference to pinnochio lying rather than antisemetism, unless of course the guy is jewish, then yeah it looks kinda like that.

[@mudi2000a]

I rather think it’s the strange obsession of Germans with finding antisemitism everywhere.

[@Barney-ii1no]

its anti semitic to breath at this point

[@DjDoggDad]

Yep, tried to reference a fairy tale and call him a gear snob. Clearly not a cartoon stereotype of doing jewface. Makes oneself wish keyboard warriors and cork sniffers would learn about stereotyping a little better instead of crying wolf.

[@TheValueOfN]

The stereotypical "nose of a jew" looks nothing like the image depicted by Behringer. I agree with the theory about a reference to Pinocchio.

[@mundoinmundo5463]

Is it not more "antisemitic" associating a big nose with jews???

[@macmoll]

Weaver Beats getting called out by the “Synth Samurai” KZbin channel is interesting. This beef could be bigger than Drake/Kendrick! Bigger than Biggie/2Pac!!

[@crnkmnky]

Synth Samurai seems like the type to start a fake beef "for the culture!" 😏 But I am kinda curious why Weaver felt the current situation at Behringer warranted a whole recap video…

[@DankePlace]

@@crnkmnky SS is just a bottom feeder, when he addresses how Weaver defends Peter Kirn in Weaver's live stream, SS was pretty adamant and even pulls the Wienstein card without knowing context. Kirn was sticking up for his trans friends which obviously Ewa Justka was against. What's funny is SS is projecting a whole bunch of accusations without backing anything up. He is using Peter Kirn to deflect, rather than address the elephant in the room, why is Uli such a peon when it comes to social media?

[@crnkmnky]

@@DankePlace I _only_ know who Peter Kirn is because Behringer and their flying monkeys keep going after him. Now I have to figure out who this trxxsphxbe Polish lady is? 😵‍💫 SS confidently and repeatedly compared Kirn to a -rxxxst- with no evidence… that sounds like -Q- UliAnon.

[@TheJanda777]

The dm12 and the xa are fantastic machines. The drama is annoying. Look at the history of competition in capitalism and you will have something to hate for years of content to come.

[@DankePlace]

DM12 is decent, Xa is trash.

[@72ndHUMAN]

when you hear that wooden block you know it’s only ghoste

[@ratatatuff]

I can only talk about guitar pedals but Behringer was always one of the options I'd get if I couldn't afford more expensive gear. They have been fine and did the job. Some people just can't afford more expensive gear.

[@phd_sound]

Behringer Super Fuzz is more than fine, it’s a modern classic… I just got their Grampian Spring clone too and it is incredible

[@ratatatuff]

@@phd_sound Yes, the Super Fuzz is really great, I like that one too. My favourite was the EM or EN 600 (I think something like that was the name) which was awesome because it had a reverse reverb on it. I regret giving it away and they are hard to find now.

[@buckycore]

Yeah, this feels like gatekeeper shit. I'm sorry, but 4,999 for a piece of musical gear? No. Thanks. If I had a larger income...I'd rather invest in properly treating a room and write even better songs with the VST version

[@ratatatuff]

@@buckycore Exactly, it's gatekeeping. While I do understand that musical instruments have their price I don't think it's wrong to make them affordable. There are a lot of people who wouldn't be able to make music if only premium instruments would exist. But yeah, some people just hate the poor.

[@kristianTV1974]

Enjoying the UB-XA that arrived over the weekend very much.

[@TheTerracide]

when you don't have a clue wtf you are talking about you really should not make videos about it.

[@Mclennnan]

Behringer are brilliant. Vive Le Difference. I'm leaving this channel now as it seems Weaver has too much of an axe to grind.

[@The-word-I-does-not-exist]

Regardless of how you feel about them, they have figured out how to market their products to their fanbase, nostalgia sells which is essentially their whole business model, the association with legacy gear used on countless hit records is more important to them than creating original new products it would seem. A shame given their resources, and when they do make something original like the Neutron it is far more interesting. The copying of in production gear like the keystep and moog stuff is really cringey though, and a lot of their “tribute” gear doesn’t really sound much like the original, although it is fair to say a few of them are close enough for most people. I don’t think they are particularly low priced overall, but they do have a selected range of low priced products to give the impression their whole range is, a tactic used by supermarkets for decades because it works so well. For example the TD3 is very cheap to make, and appears cheap when compared to a 303, but not when compared to a Donner B1 which is cheaper and better. Same can be said of their drum machines, not expensive to make, there are other analog drum machines in the same price bracket, but when compared to a 808 or 909 they seem cheap. Lots of their monosynths are similar priced to other modern monosynths etc etc.

[@crnkmnky]

What specifically is better about the B1? Asking so I can sleep better at night. 😅

[@The-word-I-does-not-exist]

@@crnkmnky Better sequencer, built in delay, better sounding distortion.

[@riseofthemachine2623]

I have absolutely zero issue with Behringer reverse-engineering and releasing clones of gear long dead, with no desire by the original manufacturer to resurrect them. All I expect is (1) there is no trademark infringement, and (2) Do not clone active products. The latter has been done (Example: The Swing vs. Arturia Keystep) and also a clone of Makenoise Maths. As for the Pro-1 and System 100 modules? I welcome them to my studio and use them often.

[@BarstoolAstronaut]

Are all the preamp companies, large and small, that copy Neve and API also a problem? It feels like selective disdain tbh.

[@MichaelWashingtonAE]

Yep, exactly ☝️

[@techinfusions]

Behringer represent the rebirth of vintage synth gear, pieces of old tech that the original manufacturers long since stopped producing, they offer a way for everyone to own a piece of that technology at a fraction of the price, its not that Behringer are trying to infer that current Synthesiser manufactures are ripping people off, they have actually proven that this is the case, if anything Behringer being in the market place has caused other manufacturers to reconsider their pricing structures since they have to compete with Behringer, I say if you want the original vintage gear then save up for it and buy it and hope it does not break down and need an expensive repair job, the rest of us can buy the newer versions for much less that also come with a 3 year warranty, may Behringer live long and prosper.

[@Fred82187]

People are very unhappy with the way nintendo behaves regarding intellectual property they are no longer manufacturing or offering as a product in any form, I see no difference between the code for super mario bros 3. and a schematic for a synth that's approaching higher values than a modest boat. Especially since actually creating a physical version of these circuits is usually cost prohibitive, so the redesigned circuits are completely different.

[@DankePlace]

You can only patent a circuit design, once that expires, it's open for anyone to use without license.

[@the_glove]

Capitalism

[@scheetmcborsten7977]

Bob Moog is rolling in his grave knowing I'm enjoying my $300 Behringer Model D.

[@crnkmnky]

@@chokocat9064 This.

[@dancetech]

Bob Moog didn't design the model D though.

[@scheetmcborsten7977]

@@dancetech But Behringer is ruining Moogs legacy by cloning their synths but making them cheap :(

[@dancetech]

@@alexwestconsulting not really, read up on it

[@dancetech]

​@@scheetmcborsten7977 lol, that's a somewhat over the top suggestion. Moog's 'legacy' you are talking about was 70 years ago mate. They've really done nothing since & are now a failed company owned by InMusic. Secondly, if MORE people buy hardware synths cos of Behringer then it means a much wider user-base who have invested in hardware & who will then buy MORE hardware from a variety of other companies going forward which is healthy for everyone in the business. For example someone might invest in a basic modular starter setup because Behringer makes it so affordable & then they get into it and go on to invest in modules from a variety of smaller companies. Also they need other hardware to support the hardware synths they own, mixers, fx, processors etc Nobody makes the stuff Behringer are cloning now so who cares? They are doing incredible work in most peoples' opinion.

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

0:29 “I’ll let you make your own judgements about that…” As you cry about it for the millionth time now… jesus, bleach yerselF plEase

[@midnightsocean2689]

Plugins and emulators are making synths affordable, not Be4inger. For the sake of argument, I tried owning a few be4ringer synths. They all under-performed (compared to their original counter parts) AND broke within a year. No one can say I didn't give them a fair chance. You get what you pay for.

[@Steve-of8zo]

Where have you been all the previous years when they were making clone guitar pedals? Guess who likes Behringer pedals Josh Scott. He actually has skin in the game. I think you throw out a provocative title for click bate (yes I am an idiot that took it). If you want real viewers and subscribers come up with original content

[@francobuzzetti9424]

this is why i got a cheap knock off of their guitar link "interface" i fully knew what i was getting into and i don't regret a thing i also use "their" software with it, which i got from a forum

[@WrvrUgoThrUR]

Behringer: the answer to the question…”What if Elon Musk bought Apple and turned them into a synth company.” ANSWER: “Take my money please.” Those of you who are looking for the perfect company. I think you need to get aboard one on Elon Musk’s spaceships and start searching the final frontier. Ain’t none on planet earth. [EDIT] and if you want to overpay for a synth, by a Moog(and yes I pronounced it wrong) and then you’ll have 9 more fingers free to do whatever ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@kastheone]

more behringers for me

[@rokkimason4199]

They are making affordable gear for the masses. Why is that a bad thing????

[@ilikebassmusic]

hi weaver thanks for the video

[@earlsfield]

Spot on. They are not just ripping off synths, this is what they have been doing forever. I remember early 2000s, they knocked off Yamaha 01V and made one of the first digital mixers 6x cheaper than the original. This was their MO since forever. Now they are worse than ever because not only they piggy back on the R and D of others, they are literally destroying small developers. Now they got into modular world, their modules are 4x cheaper than modules a small developers like Make Noise or Xaoc Devices just cannot produce and sell that cheap and stay in business. Then I see people just buying their shit and be like "oh well, if you have problem with the way Behringer does stuff, then boycott Thomann and others selling their gear". Mental gymnastics. I saw all their products announced for this year and aside from a few toy-like things that extent Prophet VS mini version, they literally have like 20 synths in a product line that are ownership of the companies that still exist - from Yamaha and Roland to Sequential.

[@subtlesun]

Becoming incensed over corporations is an odd and rather unproductive indulgence, especially when there are far more pressing matters worthy of one’s ire-taxes, for instance. I happen to own both Oberheim and Behringer instruments, including the UB-Xa, and I must say, the UB-Xa possesses a beauty all its own.

[@containercore6832]

It's scummy when they copy something current like the Moog Grandmother. But with old, out of production gear like the TB-303, I think it's perfectly fine.

[@Weaverbeats]

Agreed