The Dangers of Andy Stanley | Ep. 85

In this episode of the G3 Podcast, Josh Buice, Virgil Walker, and Scott Aniol explain the long-standing dangers of Andy Stanley and why believers should avoid him.
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[@spiritman-em4qr]

My counselor recommended one of Stanley's books, and I told my counselor that I didn't agree with Stanley. My counselor then told me to... "take the good and leave the bad", so, I left my counselor by following his own advice.

[@goosieschmoo8239]

It's really arrogant when folks think they can sift what's "good" out of a false preachers content as if they are able to spit out the bones. Had a relative think that way about Joel Osteen... Glad you got away from that one person.

[@Mutasis_Mutandis]

👏👏👏

[@Robandje1]

You should have counselled them.

[@tamaramalone-qj3hv]

After I read your comment I thought that's one of the first steps on how to get Christians to backslide... Taking the good And leaving out.. God said you are either for Me or against Me and their is no in between or Middle ground. No compromise..

[@tamaramalone-qj3hv]

​@@goosieschmoo8239now that's a very good point Listening to them is how you become one of them 2 Peter chapter 2

[@willpowerstrengthandfitnes6773]

Those of us who know the truth need to start and continue to speak up for His word. Christ is and will always be the cornerstone. No compromise!

[@cat-bg3rv]

Amen ✝️📖🌱👑

[@cameronvandevelde4186]

As a former member of Andy's Church, I can assure you everything they said here is correct and what they do / have done in their services is 100% correct. one of my good friends from high school /college said he never liked him and thought he had zero respect for God's Word and I thought my friend was crazy when he said this. My friend said this around 5-6 years ago. my same exact friend recommended that I should watch the American Gospel Documentary when the first one came out because I did listen to other WOF/NAR pastors, specifically Todd White and sometimes Joel Osteen & Andrew Wommack, along with going to Andy Stanley's church and after watching the AG Doc, I realized how deceived I actually was...after growing in more faith & discernment throughout the past couple of years reading God's word, now I see why my friend never liked him and how Andy is a False Teacher that needs to be avoided

[@jakebull2571]

Praise God for delivering you from that falsehood

[@Savedbygrace22]

Amen and praise God! I would love to see Andy’s false church close and his congregation come to the true Christ but I know God is sovereign and Christ is building his church despite what we see and hear at places like Northpoint. ✝️

[@miltronix]

Please don't mention Andy Stanley and Joel "O" in the same paragraph! Andy has an M.Div from Dallas Seminary and he had a distinguished tenure as Youth Pastor at FBC Atlanta. Joel "O" didn't even bother to do to seminary and thus was not evaluated for fitness for ministry by any objective group/faculty. He does a great job with prosperity theology, though :-(

[@cameronvandevelde4186]

@@miltronix Rick Warren, Francis Chan, and Tony Evans to name a few also went to seminary but they teach a lot of heretical things in the church....so just because someone went to seminary doesn't automatically mean they are 100% sound in doctrine and preach the right gospel

[@lorimacduff1180]

​@@miltronixDo you see then, that all of Andy Stanley's education did him absolutely no good at all. Because once he allowed his life to go against the Lord & the truth of the Word, Satan took him over. So now he says what the enemy is teaching & telling him to. Teaching gone right out the window. He's dangerous. 😢

[@Mutasis_Mutandis]

It’s not “harsh”, brothers. It’s the truth. Thank you! Keep up the good work.

[@alfredoreliford3329]

Tuff love…⚔️🙏🏽⚔️

[@bradrob2863]

When u grow up in the church sometimes its hard to see the real power in the gospel ...THIS MAN ISNT BORN AGAIN ..

[@frankG335]

Have you seen the book of Life? How dare you! Listen to yourself! Look at how black your heart is!it

[@sierragrey7910]

He has always pushed the envelope of orthodoxy. His disparaging of the Old Testament several years ago was a clear violation.

[@charlesratcliff2016]

Andy comes from a father who loved the word of God and taught so many. This is so sad that Andy abandoned such a foundation.

[@michellecheriekjv4115]

...Every man must be Born Again individually. He is simply not saved....you can only fake it Soo long. Eventually everything Dark comes into the Light. 📖✝️

[@wanda520]

Do you know if his father ever addressed Andy’s apostasy?

[@deborahparrish2201]

He did not, as far as I know. In fact, he actually praised him in a video.@@wanda520

[@PetiteFlower333]

Charles Stanley was instrumental in my early days after becoming a Christian. Heartbreaking that his son turned his back on his father’s solid teaching.

[@john318john]

​@@PetiteFlower333Charles Stanley says the Lord showed him what turkey to buy for thanksgiving. Some of Charles Stanley preaching was worrisome.

[@russellhenckel2887]

I had a meeting with our church leadership almost a year ago because they laid out books by Andy Stanley, Rick warren, David platt and others. My concerns and warnings went unheeded and now even more has come since. We left that church but it was very disappointing to see their lack of conviction

[@wanda520]

I warned the United Methodist Church too. Went unheeded

[@Yesica1993]

You did the right thing. God sees. Hopefully they will eventually wake up.

[@joshhigdon4951]

They have poisoned the punch bowl in the SBC. Stanley has so many faithful supporters that you can show them everything he has said over the last 2 years and they will refuse to believe it. "What is the context" they ask. "He means something else". What context do you need when he says he wished he had the faith of the homosexual couple coming to church to worship their heavenly father? Or one of his satellite churches having women baptize a practicing homosexual.

[@brettmagnuson8318]

I bet they labeled you arrogant, divisive, and quarrelsome when you left.

[@russellhenckel2887]

@@joshhigdon4951 You nailed it. Excuses and cowardice

[@g.h_-heart-_bunny]

I pray that G3 continues to speak truth in love!

[@Diligent-dp7gi]

# "love" = SPEAKING TRUTH; regardless of whether someone regards it as 'loving'. TRUTH TRIGGERS!!

[@berniegonzalez5186]

Thank you guys for exposing the error and evil spirit on Andy

[@mariosangermano]

Let's not blame Andy's false teaching, heresy,etc.. on an evil spirit. Let's put the blame squarely on Andy who Is spiritually dead in trespasses and sin. Andy , In his own mind hates God and hates the truth. Is the devil behind this junk Andy says? Yes, but Andy Is responsible for his beliefs and actions.

[@Pastor_Grant]

Glad you guys came around, unfortunately people should have been saying this years ago instead of waiting until it's acceptable. He has always been a false teacher.

[@rachelodell6879]

The problem is that he flew under the radar for so long. Most other pastors and evangelists weren’t aware of his theological drift. And many of us who left NP were ringing the bell but trying to also hope for the best for Andy and his “church”.

[@Doratheexploer-j4d]

There was some people that did but they weren’t popular enough where everyone could hear them but truthfully if people would just read their Bibles they would know something was wrong.

[@collectibles4u]

Let's just be honest Andy has been confronted many times and it breaks my heart especially the legacy his Dad left. Please community pray for him.

[@dulcerock2989]

I can only hope that true believers will leave that church. Do not sit under that man's ministry. Please, remember that your presence there may well lead others to believe that North Point is a legitimate church...

[@mmttomb3]

Andy himself said that an atheist, Sam Harris, literally caused him to, not only deny the authority and inerrancy of scripture but abandon scripture altogether. Which shows you he NEVER had true saving faith.

[@TheJpep2424]

Correct. If you believe he is a christian you will be frustrated that he rejects the Bible. Once you realize he isnt saved it makes sense. He's an agent of Stan being used to ilgiltrate the church and deceive people.

[@jackiesterling1555]

It's weird to say, but not exactly surprising in current times, that an increasing number of people are leaving churches not soley because of spiritual abuse (which is still hapenning a lot) but also because of the lack of their local churches in discernment of false teachers, false doctrines and false teachings/erronous practices. That's what we did. Twice.

[@Broken_Berean]

Same here. You know what we've found to be a pretty good litmus test for the leadership's discernment and vigilance? Asking them what their ladies are studying in "Bible" study. 🧐

[@bridgetwilkins312]

​@Broken_Berean yes, I agree!!!

[@GraceAlone50]

My sister and brother in law started watching Stanley when the pandemic closed down their church and I worry about them.

[@loiscarteaux9389]

Now you have an excellent podcast to send them!😊

[@jodyel]

Pray fervently for them to be led to a bible believing and teaching church.

[@person6768]

Show them a pastor you like. I find getting people onto Voddie Baucham really helps people start to use there brain.

[@jodyel]

@@person6768 I like Voddie, MacArthur, Sproul, and Lawson.

[@markp1845]

One hundred years ago J. Gresham Machen wrote a little book titled, "Christianity and Liberalism". He was mainly addressing the Presbyterian church but it applied to the whole church. His warnings were prescient. The Presbyterian church did not heed his warnings. Today all of his warnings have come about in the modern progressive church. He warned of the rotten fruit that would be produced. Andy Stanley has produced rotten fruit and it will not lead to salvation but to destruction.

[@frankG335]

What rotten fruit, exactly? Your heroes here show NONE of the fruits of the spirit.

[@craighelgerson2698]

20 years ago, I was working at a company in Atlanta. One of the factory workers knew I was a Christian and came in to speak with me. He was a nominal Catholic who had been a drummer in a Punk Rock band in Detroit prior to moving to Atlanta. He said his neighbor had invited him to North Point church and wanted to know what I thought of it. I gave him my thoughts at tempered to an unsaved person. Once done, he said, "Ya know the music made me want to look for my lighter & the mosh pit... it didn't seem much like a church".

[@KnowingGodExplorers]

Check out Justin peters

[@kcdonegan]

That’s exactly how I felt when I went to Northpoint Church a long time ago when they first opened their gigantic place in Alpharetta, GA. I’m from the area and thought I’d give it a try. It was definitely like a rock concert and Andy was on a big screen preaching via satellite. I left after about 25 minutes of listening to the sh•• spewin from his mouth. The whole thing was like an inspirational speech with a few scriptures(paraphrased poorly) thrown in. Obviously never went back and never listen to a word he says.

[@captainfantastic7843]

I love Led Zeppelin, but if I heard it in a church service I'd leave immediately. 🙄

[@virginiaohliger9630]

Feel so sad for he and his Dad

[@lorimacduff1180]

The more I talk about the things I've learned from John MacArthur, Paul Washer & other's, the more my Word Faith friends are moving away from me. Anyone who says that the Old Testament isn't important anymore, & Andy Stanley said that, I don't dare listen to them. He's WOKE. We aren't. It's part of being in the last days. Jesus is the only way.

[@aibhilin1211]

Same here. I keep thinking of Matthew 7:21-24 and how few (like a remnant) of true, Bible believing, Christ Followers vs. today's 'mainstream' Christians will really get to Heaven? I was misled for years myself.

[@frankG335]

He doesn't say the NT isn't important. He literally QUOTES JESUS in saying that we are no longer under the law (the old covenant, which means agreement), but we are now under a NEW LAW, that of Jesus, the Messiah, who sacrificed Himself so that we could stop sacrificing animals, amd He declared a new covenant under the Holy Spirit, under the Blood of Jesus. Instead of the 10 commanments, JESUS said He gave us a NEW LAW: You shall love the Lord your God with all your strength, soul, heart, and mind, and you shall love others as yourself. These guys are literally saying that Andy is evil to preach that!

[@juliangodsend9418]

WONDERFUL CONVERSATION BROTHERS

[@helenpeddycord2241]

G3+ is awesome!

[@jameseverhart9814]

Good for y'all for standing up for the truth

[@hamidehvaland9510]

GOD BLESS THIS CHANNEL AND SPREAD IT'S BOARDERS WIDE, BECAUSE IT EXPOSES THE FALSE TEACHER'S AND OPENS FOR GOD'S TRUE MEN TO PREACH AND IN LIGHTEN US GOD'S EVERLASTING WORD FOR WHAT IT IS AND HOW IT SHOULD BE PREACHED, IN CHRIST JESUS'S STRONG NAME, I pray, Amen ✝️ 🙏❤️

[@frankG335]

It has boarders? It serves food? You Trumpers are so easy to spot because of your weak grasp of the English language. You can't even see how these guys twisted everything, never provided any evidence, and only played snippets of songs without saying that they aren't using the same lyrics as the secular songs. You're embracing lies just to keep your political idolatry intact. Just like the early Nazis did. There's no love in your hearts. You've given yourself over to hatred, judgement, idolatry, and lies. It

[@TCLawmaster]

In a nutshell: Andy Stanley is a self-appointed, unregenerate, ear-tickling entertainer of goats.

[@TheJpep2424]

Bingo!

[@ivajloberberov1732]

The Goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Man ♂️♂️👞 El Goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐😊😊😊😊

[@lee-lee2418]

Like the book of Mormon, I'm sure he'd love to publish "the book of Stanley." 😞

[@roxannefinley9753]

Did anyone walk out of the service during any of these meetings held in his building? I won’t call it a worship space!

[@Wrenmouse]

Prayer is needed.

[@tim8971]

I read that Andy told his father that he (Andy) didn’t feel “called” to ministry, but asked if he could volunteer.

[@sonofnun1917]

I saw that too. Explains a lot.

[@TheJpep2424]

His father put him into ministry anyway when he wasnt saved or biblically qualified.

[@willjohnson6854]

Yep,heard him say it myself.

[@loiscarteaux9389]

This is so helpful. Thank you!

[@caitlin6151]

Andy Stanley is the great apostasy on full display. My heart cries for all the true Christians still there.

[@michellecheriekjv4115]

Won't God draw them out? Trust God...📖🌷

[@TheJpep2424]

If they're true christians they will eventually leave. Most their are lost.

[@michellecheriekjv4115]

@@TheJpep2424 Amen...The Holy Spirit comes with Power and authority....📖✝️

[@shintanglestudio9643]

Come out of her my people ❤

[@frankG335]

Trump and Qanon are the great apostasy.

[@davidgodoy826]

He is a perfect example of a 🐺 wolf in 🐑 clothing!!! I’m glad y’all brought that up

[@tim8971]

Or a shepherd in sheep’s clothing. Even worse.

[@goosieschmoo8239]

@@tim8971 not a good analogy. A legit pastor (like a Shepard) is supposed to tend to the flock of sheep. He's also supposed to be a sheep (born again Christian) as well. He shouldn't be a wolf or a goat.

[@rlrieth]

Didn’t Jesus say He came to divide Father from son and Mother from daughter? Luke 12: 49-56

[@lynneeify]

I commend you and thank you for coming out against the evil teachings of heresies. You have nothing to apologize for nor do you need to apologize nor should you apologize. We will be persecuted for standing for the truth of God's word, but the truth of God's word will prevail. God bless you and other saints and we'll see each other in glory and will live eternally unfortunately they will live in darkness and hell and the fires of hell which they most likely do not believe in. You have to not believe in hell when you don't want to go there and you don't want to do what you have to do to go to heaven.

[@jacquelinefelber4851]

Love you two❤ Thanks for sharing!

[@willjohnson6854]

Thank y’all so much for this

[@ericevearitt3317]

Our prayer for Andy Stanley is that our LORD GOD would cause Andy to repent of his sins and deceptive ways. That Andy would recognize the error of his ways, step down from the pulpit, get in the pew and be humbled by and learn from the WORD OF GOD.

[@frankG335]

You need to repent of idolatry. You'll do ANYTHING to serve nationalism over humbleness and serving the needy of the world. You'll do anything to serve a man who has never shown any of the fruits of the spirit, yet you'll obediently hate who he tells you to hate.

[@EyreEver]

Bad doctrine always leads to worse doctrine.

[@lisfong]

Thank you for this podcast!

[@Savedbygrace22]

Andy has already stated in a sermon that we only need the resurrection. That’s the gospel condensed he said. So in actuality he’s unhitched from the NT as well.

[@tazlizard]

Our call to worship is usually scripture from Psalms. Glad I am reformed!!!

[@rinihogewoning6528]

Much of the churches in the west have abondoned or ignored the pastoral Epistles that declare God's will for the structure, stewardship, and order of church. The absense or lack of qualified elders, church membership, and church discipline has left the church vulnerable to corruption, error, and heracy. Thank you G3 for emphasizing obedience to following God's inerrant, sufficient and authoritative word.

[@lornadoone8887]

What do the Scriptures teach is the “pillar and ground of the Truth”?

[@janawalczuk833]

That is a cogent observation of the state we are in.

[@frankG335]

You can't even spell in your native language. It's hard to take anything you say seriously since none of you are even remotely educated, obviously. You don't read or you'd know grammar and spelling.

[@Beeloved936]

I was raised in an Assembly of God church. Married ,became a Baptist (garb), then the Lord led us to an Evengelical Presbyterian Church. Once introduced to expository teaching, I became a follower of Christ. I'm ashamed to say I knew of Christ. Now, I actually know THE FATHER. THE SON. THE HOLY SPIRIT. True revelation directly from the Word!

[@palirvin6713]

Love this ministry and your commitment to exposing false teachers! God richly bless you.

[@frankG335]

It's no ministry. It's a smear campaign on behalf of their idol.

[@bobbyg1123]

Gentlemen, I was first saved back in 1994 through the ministry of Dr. Charles Stanley! Dr. Stanley preached the harsh truth of the Bible. The problem with Andy and many others, is that they don't want to be the guy who is unpopular because he's telling the harsh truth of God's Word. "Go along to get along" is the recurring theme in our idiotic society nowadays! In order to preach the truth of the Bible, you have to not care about people's feelings and care more about the Truth!! I continually speak the truth to family and friends, and many of them avoid me many times because they don't want to hear the harsh truth of God's Word! But for me it's OK, because I don't care what anybody thinks of what I'm saying! If the Bible says it, we're done! I dish it out the way it's written… Whoever rejects it must face the Lord one day! And that will be a lot more difficult than listening to me! Fight the good fight, boys! 🇺🇸✝️🇺🇸

[@ivajloberberov1732]

Charles Stanley can speak up for hours without making a POINT ☝️☝️☝️👉👉👉👉😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@bobbyg1123]

@@ivajloberberov1732 ... What are you a joker?? Nobody cares what you think anyway… I've listened to the man for years, and you're dead wrong! So have a nice day dingdong!

[@jodyel]

Me in 1992 by Dr. Stanley's ministry. God used Dr. Stanley greatly. God bless you, brother.

[@helenpeddycord2241]

So appreciate this candid, “Out of the horses mouth” vile, unbiblical warning. Unfortunately, Andy Stanley is not the only WOLF. 🙏🏻

[@matthewalston1226]

Vile unbiblical warning? What are you talking about?

[@katearmstrong5565]

.....what?

[@goosieschmoo8239]

Uuuh last time i checked the guys running this channel are actual Christians.

[@twstephanie50]

@helenpeddycord2241 I APOLOGISE THEN.

[@helenpeddycord2241]

@@twstephanie50 - Perhaps you’re misunderstanding?? The “vile, unbiblical” subjects I was referring to are the exact ones being called out.

[@g.h_-heart-_bunny]

I really pray that this video helps people to realize how dangerous he is.

[@christyvonderchek5740]

Thank you!

[@user-uk4dd1kw1o]

“Go and sin no more”... Jesus

[@collectibles4u]

I'm very wary of a church that doesn't do expository preachingYes it's OK to have a topical preach and every now and then but I want to know the word of God In its proper context

[@guydellhill7925]

Excellent, so good!

[@murtomedia4217]

Andy's first move waa to "unhitch the church from the O.T."

[@lornadoone8887]

Following right in Marcion’s footsteps….There is nothing new under the sun.

[@josephzilafro2720]

Very good discernment

[@jackcarr7060]

Thanks for reporting

[@steveduecker9872]

Great video!

[@rK-em4yy]

2 Thess 2:10-12 "and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love The Truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed The Truth but have delighted in wickedness. (The Truth - "Sanctify them in The Truth; Your word is Truth," John 17:17)

[@pam2viph]

he's been up to it for over 10 years

[@donalexander4083]

i take issue with the statement that there is nothing wrong with listening to secular music the Bible says that we are to come out from among them and be seperate and touch not {don't listen to} the unclean things

[@Cozy4evr]

I used to listen to all of them I’m glad I woke up and left

[@realfetchboy]

Andy's point about thousands of Christians existing before the Bible, makes no sense. The entire Old Testament existed and Jesus and the apostles taught from those Scriptures how Jesus is God's Messiah in fulfillment of the Scripture (John 5:39-40). So he must have the New Testament in mind. But how would he even know that? Only from the gospels and Acts which last I checked was in the New Testament. So he cherry picks what he wants from the NT to cast doubt on the rest that he doesn't want. No, can't do that. Either all of the Bible is true or it isn't. There's no middle ground or you've just cut yourself off at the knees.

[@TruthEvangelism]

Couldn’t have said it any better brother, I forget which theologian said this but, the Old Testament is like a dimly lit room, the New Testament turns the light on and illuminates that room. We know that the Old Testament is filled with the mysteries that the New Testament reveals in full, so you cannot extract the old test at all. Andy is not saved

[@TheJpep2424]

He makes up lies and strawman arguments in order to justify rejecting the Bible.

[@lornadoone8887]

Stanley is correct insofar as the Church was founded on a particular interpretation of the OT given by Christ (not just the dead letter exposited by human reason, see Luke 24:25ff and John 5:39), their eye-witness testimony to the events of the gospel, and the ongoing work of the Holy Spirit in their midst through God’s gifts of grace-prophecy, healing, knowledge, and discernment of spirits, etc. There were thousands of converts to Christ as a result of the Apostles’ preaching on Pentecost long before any portion of the New Testament existed. And while the Apostles taught the Scriptures were inspired by God, and were profitable for teaching and equipping believers for every good work, they also taught our understanding of the Scriptures needs to be given by the Holy Spirit or we cannot interpret them aright (2 Peter 3:15). This means that our ultimate dependence cannot be on the words (dead letter) of the Scriptures (original autographs which no longer exist or otherwise), but on the living and active Spirit of Christ guiding the Church, which was a promise Christ made collectively to His Apostles. There is no Scripture that teaches the texts of the Scriptures in themselves are self-interpreting, or that they can be read by individuals using “common sense” as some modern schools of interpretation have taught. In fact, they would have assumed the opposite (see Acts 8:30-31, 2 Peter 3:15). To be understood, the Scriptures, Old and New, need to be read within their own proper context, which was the living work of the Holy Spirit of Christ in the Church through a succession of leaders/teachers, themselves taught and mentored by Spirit-appointed and led teachers before them. This ministry of guarding the true meaning of the Scriptures has always been understood to be held by the office of the Elder/Overseer/Episcopacy, first held by Apostles appointed by Christ Himself and then by their successors-the Elders they appointed in every place they planted churches.

[@michellecheriekjv4115]

Amen ...Well Said....He is most definitely a wolf. Watching him talk and his mannerisms...makes me wonder if hes hiding something. Either way ...its completely unbiblical. Like he had no understanding of the Supernatural move and working of the Holy Spirit. The power of God to change a life. He is still the unregenerant man. But also a wolf....Thank you for speaking out. 📖🌷✝️

[@Citizen1910]

I think Andy has battled the demon of homosexuality.

[@jica4141]

​@@Citizen1910 Interesting. We thought that maybe a child or nephew ~

[@frankG335]

Your innuendo and slippery ways of sly accusations are satanic, not of Jesus. Your rahe is because you idolize a political system instead of Jesus.

[@eth39232]

Even when he was associate pastor at his father's church 30 years ago and substituted for him on In Touch, something about Andy Stanley always rubbed me the wrong way. I really wonder where the money came from to set up Andy Stanley's ministry and build all of those buildings.

[@carolcollins6243]

Thankfully the church I attend has pulled out of the SBC completely. I wasn’t raised Baptist but felt led to go to a certain church in the town where I had moved to. I was thrilled that the elders, deacons and members voted to cut ties with SBC.

[@berniegonzalez5186]

I believe Andy have much more to get out of the closet.

[@oliviaedralin1436]

🤦‍♀️😂

[@stevenpage1932]

Andy Stanley will soon come out as gay.

[@Outrider74]

Andy Stanley is essentially a slick repackaging of 19th century, higher criticism and theological modernism

[@lanaeustachy892]

I am so glad you are speaking truth! Your doing it out of love because this is going to save people’s lives. It’s a matter of life and death! ❤

[@taysansim]

Es necesario denunciar los lobos y falsos maestros! Aquí en PR la Escritura está en un segundo plano y es bien difícil encontrar pastores y maestros que expongan correctamente las Escrituras. Aquí, en una congregación, ya recitan la "Declaración" de Joel Osteen....😢

[@captainfantastic7843]

Thank you for this point of view! I greatly appreciate it! Woke theology and woke church needs to be avoided at all costs. Matthew 10:34 !!!!

[@aubreyleonae4108]

We had to close our church because of this. It was the only church in town. 150 miles to closest one now.

[@bryang6061]

One text comes to mind: And many shall follow their pernicious ways. (KJV) Note the use of the word pernicious.

[@Thegospelfund]

Y’all are awesome

[@PapaPoohBear962]

In my opinion, expository preaching is the most Biblical, purest form of preaching there is. Nothing else compares. It keeps preachers focusing on scripture, not their scripturally unsupported opnions. The thought one of the gentleman had concerning being ok with listening to secular music I totally disagree with. Either we are listening to music that glorifies and elevates God or we listen to man/world centered music that glorifies self/world/satan. Giving up ALL secular music, social media, TV movies has been a major blessing, and I believe directed by God for me to do. I am thankful. ,

[@JimiSurvivor]

"...We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of GRACE and TRUTH" (John 1:14) We will not find GRACE without being confronted with TRUTH because our God has nature is full of both grace (lovingkindness compassion and mercy) and truth. When God revealed Himself to Moses we see this same polarity: 6 Then the LORD passed in front of Moses and called out: “The LORD, the LORD God, is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in loving devotion and faithfulness, 7 maintaining loving devotion to a thousand generations, a forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin. Yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished...(Exodus 34:6) Note: the "guilty" are those who have not repented of their evil but persist in it.

[@nathanphillipsgo]

Hope everybody is doing well.

[@LemarSipes]

The world likes Andy Stanley just as worldly religous people who claim they are Christians like him. Any discerning believer can see thru him in a second. These obvious wolves discount the Word of GOD & try to discourage others in it's absolute Holy Truth. This guy is in a role that requires heavy accountability. I count him accursed

[@marcoemiliovalle7708]

Please stop saying “problematic,” which is a new, pop culture term. Rather please say UNBIBLICAL. And thank you for calling attention to all of this in such a gracious, truthful, and biblical way.

[@TheJpep2424]

Its more than problematic, its satanic.

[@kentemple7026]

good analysis. I think it started even earlier when Andy became convinced of Zane Hodges' theology of easy believe-ism. John MacArthur did a great job of exposing that theology in "Faith Works: The Gospel according to the Apostles". I confronted Andy on the Zane Hodges stuff around 1988-1990 (?). He did not agree. He later adopted the "Seeker Sensitive" model of Bill Hybels and those 2 elements laid foundation for his later developments.

[@TheJpep2424]

The issue is he isnt saved. You have an unregenerate apostate leading the church.

[@seansullivan1055]

The path is narrow sounds like a line to me

[@janawalczuk833]

We keep losing sight of that

[@harringtonjune1]

I had noticed my church was using book resources written by Andy Stanley. I tried to inform the Pastor of my church about Andy and asked the Pastor to look at some of Andy Stanley's theological beliefs. My Pastor looked at Andy's theological beliefs and saw nothing wrong. Needless to say I was flabbergasted. I was thinking why would my Pastor listen to little ole me over Andy Stanley who has 38,000 people that follow him. I'm so thankful for these Christian leaders who stand up to the pressures of speaking out. God Bless.

[@Faithinthedock]

I think Josh's opening statement about Andy Stanley sums up the issue. I've come across a lot of Stanley's teaching/courses in Ireland where he has been pretty popular in the very small protestant community. I think Stanley is a dangerous teacher/speaker for the very reasons you say. To me he dips in and out of truth, he is a very good communicator and he can draw in the listener with some truthful statements before leading you away from orthodoxy. Many who have been openly labled as false teachers like Osteen, Johnson, White, Copeland are generally pretty transparent in their teaching. Like it or hate it, you kinda know what you're getting (in the most part). Stanley is a very different cookie. In some ways he reminds me of politicians who use techniques like telling you that you are clearly agree on an issue or skimming over a point in stating that it's obvious and doesn't require discussion. But I listened some time ago to a discussion on a radio show called 'Unbelievable?' between Stanley and Jeff Durbin. One of Stanley's arguments was that quote, "the Bible didn't say anything... John did. Moses did.." etc. So initially you think that sounds ok. But a few sentences before he mentions (very casually) the 'problems' of the Bible, such as 6 day creation, young earth vs new earth and........homosexuality. These he sees (almost glibly) as 'problem' issues in the Bible and so let's not get hung up on those 'little problems' and focus on what certain people in the Bible said about Jesus. That subtle distinction opens the door for Stanley to pick and choose from the Bible what is important and at his leisure he can use compassion and 'love' to overrule anything that he doesn't like. That has swung the door wide open for same sex 'marriage'. He's a very slippery character and I think he is far more dangerous than a Copeland or Hinn etc as he can quite easily draw even fairly conservative Christians into his way of thinking..

[@cheryla596]

Thx for your commentary on this disturbing wolf. One important thing in his last damage control sermon that you didn’t get to…Andy said that it wasn’t sustainable for gay people to live without love and family and gay marriage after while if ‘trying’. So damaging!!

[@ivajloberberov1732]

Sodomites don't belong in church!!!

[@chbears07]

So why not mention the vendor who backed at the ladt moment, so others will not use someone who affirms Stanley?

[@brandonleejudy]

Example after example of WICKEDNESS!!!

[@teriswift9401]

48:52 thank you so much for being faithful to the Word of God…do you have resources available on how I talk to my husband about all the false teachings he listens to.

[@kagnew4]

If only America could have a "news briefing" as clear and consistent as what Israel puts out.

[@laurendean3724]

I’m surprised they didn’t bring up his 2019 talk at DTS “Your assumption is showing” where he implored us NOT to tether our faith to the infallibility & authority of the Bible.

[@lynnmcintosh]

I could not believe they didn’t stop or run him off stage at the DTS talk. He influenced horribly the younger men there only to seek out HARD the call God already had placed on all their own hearts. It’s spiritual abuse to dumb down other Christians who only want the meat of Gods truth, .. he can’t understand what we all need the most and are able understand on own own, by God us the understanding his word drawn to us, gift of Jesus’ spirit) to be drawn in by our faith, without Andy full on (kinda of looking fluffy long long stories) taking up precious time of giving people the firm foundation of believing knowing scripture, so we can stand against the evil of this world without doubt or fear, -he chooses this way. Making his decisions over the blatant unleashing and influencing others walks-w/ a theology I’m unable to repeat, it hurts my heart so much, and is so off He’s used me with falsehoods i can’t talk about now, but hurting God’s people of another thing. Sorry for long posts I’ve prayed so long for him.

[@shirlenefarrar1404]

The truth of the matter is that if The Lord Jesus or the Apostle Paul were to show up in 95% of the churches today and teach the unadulterated word of God, they would be thrown out with the quickness. The world has crept into the church and you can lay the blame squarely at the feet of the pastors, bishops and elder of these churches. See Acts 20:25-32 l Peter 5:1-4 l Corinthians chapters 5,6 l Timothy 3:1-7 Titus chapters 1-3 The titles of Bishop(an overseer), Pastor(Shepherd, a feeder) and Elder refer to the same office. They just give descriptions of the various duties, and responsibilities of that office. If the Church was operating according to the instructions laid out clearly in the word of God, no unregenerate sinner or professing Christian, who is engaging in sin, would be able to sit comfortably within the congregation of the righteous. The unadulterated word of God would convict their conscience and have them squirming in their seats. An unregenerate sinner would be keenly aware of the difference between someone who is truly born again and walking in righteous, and themselves. They would not be able to get out of that church fast enough.

[@chrish5791]

Thank you for being that watchman, or watchmen on the wall as they are desperately needed to warn those following and those who are seeking Jesus Christ. It should be even more of a warning to us that this comes from a ministry not given to this area of church doctrine.

[@melindat419]

Thank you so much for this discussion. Do you know what Andy's material Starting Point is like?

[@rachelodell6879]

Used to be ok. Like 10+ years ago. Nowadays I wouldn’t put any trust in it. Based on what the church puts forth as gospel, I would expect it just tries to present mental affirmation of the resurrection of Jesus as being all one needs to be a Christian.

[@jamee6]

39:00 ish -- Andy Stanley obviously believes that the important thing is for kids to "keep" their faith...just like the two married gay conference speakers who 'held on to their faith' through it all. His purpose is not conviction, repentance and forgiveness. "Been there. Tried that. Didn't work."

[@seansullivan1055]

I believe Andy Stanley is struggling with his own sexuality that is why he does what he does.

[@oliviaedralin1436]

Hmmm. I’m wondering about that…

[@rachelodell6879]

You’re not the first person I’ve heard suggest that

[@TheJpep2424]

Correct

[@janawalczuk833]

WHOA!

[@josephbellino2347]

He's not struggling with anything. He's just being compassionate and empathetic with a group of people who have been marginalized, hated, and persecuted for just being who they are. If anything (and there have been studies on this) many people who have vehement objections to homosexuality are just suppressing their own homosexual feelings. Witness Pastor Ted Haggard for just one of many.

[@rK-em4yy]

Maybe leaders would be more alert&sober of the weight of responsibility their position carry if they would use "The church of The Lord Jesus Christ" instead of "My church", " our church" or "your church" when describing their congregation/meeting place.... Only God can grow the church.. All growth brought by man made manipulations will not withstand the fire..😢 1 cor 3:5 - 6 "What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe-as the Lord has assigned to each his task. I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow" (1 cor 3:13- "their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work" Please let us pray for those seeking the knowledge of God and are being deceived, also for ourselves not to be deceived, but for God to help us rightly divide the Word by His Spirit.

[@bruceellenburg429]

The calls to worship and the secular stuff is what's drawing the crowds

[@ConnieM777]

Looking at the fruit of his ministry I see is strife, division, confusion and distraction among other things. What I don’t see in Stanley’s teaching is the way to salvation and a closer relationship with God. Music is powerful and should be used to edify God and draw the worshipper closer to God. I like to use this as a test to discern if the music is from to God or the enemy. Thank you for the video.

[@Mr2ndkings]

My daughter and son in law along with my grandchildren are members of a Andy Stanley satellite church. My wife and I have pained over this. How do I communicate the danger and fallacies without turning them against us?

[@imforjesuschrist5298]

I’m so sorry you’re in the position you’re in. It’s so hard but the word of God divides. If I were you I’d just speak truth to them. I know you may face anger and rejection from them but I would say it’s serious enough to be talked about.

[@Francine1117]

I kind of heard a hint from Andy that he questioned himself in the past if he were actually gay. (I have a son who is, so I am not judging) His arrogance and defiance of the Holy Word of God is frightening! Like you said, he’s a great speaker and can persuade people who are not in the Bible daily! This was a great podcast! Thanks!❤

[@ceciliaramos2280]

A lot of times when a straight person (or so we think) strongly supports homosexuality it eventually comes out that they are struggling with the same thing. I wouldn’t be surprised.

[@regg32457]

Moving with the wind of the culture will cause your lampstand to be extinguish.

[@MikeAcousticMusic]

Thank you for sharing this I've known this and warned others for a while now about Andy Stanley Much appreciate the clarity on some things My favorite thing however, was the comment at the very end of this, where he says you need to know if you're going to draw a circle or draw a line😅! That's excellent

[@teresawicks-kq3bq]

You: Imma pause, that's all i can take Me: That's all i can take, too. These ppl are being lead astray and will b held accountable, and Stanley will b held accountable for leading them astray. NO FEAR OF GOD 😳 WOOOOOOOW!!❤

[@rachelodell6879]

Why Virgil didn’t want to be filmed? It’s weird because you see his picture. 🤔

[@carolcollins6243]

We, the church body, are to be in the world even though we are not to be of the world. Many churches are finding it difficult to find men who feel called to ministry. However I have seen husbands and wives team who are called to work together. H