God Told Me: The Pentecostalization of Evangelical Theology of Revelation | Scott Aniol

I am convinced that contemporary Evangelicalism has been Pentecostalized in significant ways that even man non-charismatics don’t recognize. One significant way this reveals itself even among those who would claim to be cessationists is in common evangelical expectations regarding how God speaks to us and how he reveals his will to us. It is very common in modern evangelicalism, for example, to hear Christians talk about how God “spoke” to them, revealing his will in mystical ways outside his Word.
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[@bartdanison3236]

Good job. As a former Pentecostal minister I can attest to the amount of mischief this plague is working in the church.

[@ProphetGreg94]

Psh

[@katiepruett7429]

As a former Pentecostal, I concur.

[@Savedbygrace22]

Blackaby is a name I know too well, I had his book Experiencing God on audiotape and listened over and over. As a new believer I was inundated with this type of teaching and it was common to hear god told me or I feel god is telling me. Charles Stanley’s, Blackaby’s and Beth Moore’s teaching caused me great pain and doubt in my salvation. I was sure God must not love me as much as them because I didn’t hear his voice like they did or like they said I should. I prayed and cried and listened and agonized because I couldn’t hear him! Slowly I heard good teaching like RC Sproul, D James Kennedy and John MacArthur and realized God’s promise in the gospel is true and isn’t dependent on my hearing or feeling him. I finally found freedom and peace in the person and work of Christ alone.

[@chrisk8376]

Check out "God Doesn't Whisper" by Jim Osman. Excellent book, it helped me greatly, and I hope it helps you as well

[@robjvmedia260]

I launched my copy of Blackaby across the room after reading "Decision Making and the Will of God" by Gary Freisen. I've lost count of how many copies I've given away. Changed me forever. Check it out. It's a dense, biblically-stout read, but well worth the effort.

[@yakangler419]

Being a Reformed/Covenantal/Confessional Baptist I would concur with all of this. I believe a lot charismatics are looking for personal power and experience apart from Christ and the Bible. But, however anecdotal this may seem, I had a time in my life where I was far from God in major sin. One night I “heard” in my spirit “you’re done with this”… I began sweating profusely and was brought in 30 seconds to repentance. This was all in line Biblically and with God sanctifying me. I was running from Him and not asking for this experience or revelation. That is why I would still be a cessationist today, but there’s a complexity to life that can’t be distilled down to a simple dichotomy.

[@jamesburton8168]

Well said brother. God bless you. You explained it how I feel about it.👏🏾👏🏾

[@tomtemple69]

Or your own spirit told you that because God regenerated you and you came to faith

[@michealferrell1677]

His spirit beres witness with our spirit that we are children of god .

[@charleshowarth8461]

Thank you for the" BIBLE VERSE".

[@MrEddyKnox]

Simple and profoundly so Micheal.

[@michaelfalsia6062]

God spoke to me last night. He even wrote it down so I would not forget. 😅 Scripture and nothing but the scriptures! Sola Scriptura.

[@bibletruthreformed]

This doctrine created a lot of confusion in the Church. I used to be a Charismatic who believed in all of those things, hearing God’s voice through dreams, visions, impressions, intuition, promptings, etc… it is a very serious and dangerous spiritual experience if you open yourself up to it! It’s like topping into the psychic world, you can feel something, hear something, see weird dreams and pictures in your mind. Before you know it, you’re into mysticism/ occultism. It might even lead you to the path of mental illness. Most Charismatics/Pentecostals I know, especially those who claim to hear God’s voice don’t act normal. My previous Pentecostal pastor for example concerns me. He thinks the Holy Spirit causes his heart to be so disturbed and troubled when he is about to get into a car accident! Then he prays urgently so that he can escape the accident! He always gives this kind of testimony from the pulpit. You can imagine what kind of Holy Spirit that is!😏

[@MrEddyKnox]

I quite agree with this, there is a real danger present, when people are encouraged to follow natural instincts, random thoughts, and read into things(omens almost)as supposing this is desirable and to be sought as normative for the work of God for faith. I thiink your right, this can lead potentially to mania or obsessive behavour, and if there are people with background issues already, this could just be the thing that triggers serioius problems. One should exercise great caution and self honesty in regard to subjective process and also interpreting personal circumstances and events. Even so, there has to be some kind of exceptable scope for Gods personal presence in Christian experience. For example, guidance and evidences of Gods power and witness of the Spirit ? Once again, I am grateful for you testimony and honesty. I am finding many others are finding out the shortcomings of the charrismatic movement, and have been honest enough to admit where they were going wrong. It is encouraging to see this and that there is a way forward afterwards -without losing faith and walking away from God. He is still real and knowable beyond the hype and error we may have fallen prey to.

[@bibletruthreformed]

@@MrEddyKnox YES! Thank you for your encouragement!

[@thedumbassspeaks]

I do believe the Spirit speaks to us; within the confines of His Word. How do I find a wife or what job should I take? Know the Word, and stay close to God.

[@G3Ministries]

Exactly.

[@user-dy3jy9jf6t]

If if we don't believe the Holy Spirit guides and directs us on things, major things to do. We're missing the whole boat of our Comforter

[@KarinAllison]

He does - thru the Bible, not angelic visits or audible speaking. That's at issue here. If we can get an honest discussion going that nobody denies the existence or work of the Holy Spirit but the fact that it's far less spectacular than charismatics make it out to be, that would be great.

[@tomtemple69]

2 Timothy 3:16-17

[@markrogers7546]

As an ex-charismatic I have long-believed that one of the ways charismatic beliefs are subtly influencing the Evangelical community is via the CCM and praise and worship songs.

[@wiekhiongwong548]

Totally agree. They love to manipulate people's emotion.

[@rosemaryrojahn584]

Just the other day a friend of mine was talking about a "word" spoken over a former music minister who is now a pastor of his own church. She meant it as a prophecy. This type of thing used to make me feel terrible when things didn't happen or actually got worse because I thought it was my fault. God graciously brought me into the light. His yoke is easy. Glory be to God!

[@robjvmedia260]

SO VERY THANKFUL that this topic has seemed to gain traction (or else Im stuck in a KZbin algorithm). So much confusion and frustration out there because we won't just accept what God HAS said. God took so much trouble and put believers through so much trouble so that we could benefit from their accounts and insights. How dare we ask for more instead of charishing what we've been given in Scripture.

[@FBCTrona]

I am an IFB pastor. some might consider IFB movement to be the strongest cessationist movement yet I now constantly hear many IFB speakers constantly claiming that God told them, or spoke to their heart and claiming Jesus name or the blood is dealing with demonic influence.

[@Ahuntrgw2013]

Thank you for posting this video, sir! It made much sense to me. I too was a member of succession of “charismatic” style churches (A/G, non-denom., COG, etc.) over the last 30 years (give / take), but have been growing in my present state as cessationist. I am always willing to listen to a “preacher,” even if he speaks really fast, but if he doesn’t properly quote Scripture to back up his topics, or at least give a reasonable amount of time to let it “sink in,” then I am remaining skeptical of his stance.

[@michealferrell1677]

Could you elaborate some more as to what illumination means ? Seeking the proper application of the Word would require the Spirit to bring the word in such a way as to apply its meaning.

[@svenpatersson140]

Great video. They just want to show off. They want to prove how much more spiritual they are compare to others.

[@TheKingoftheShorts]

Thank you. As a pastor, I have found quite a few opportunities to share this video in just the brief few days that it has been on your channel. This is something that I’m sure many pastors have addressed, but I appreciate it the fact that you put this out there so that I can just share it pretty much immediately upon someone talking about this kind of thing, unfortunately it happens too much so once again, thank you for this.

[@MarkTurcio]

I find this to be very good and true observations . We are seeing this becoming increasingly popular in reformed circles

[@G3Ministries]

Yep!

[@cindyajumbo]

Thank you, this was very helpful.

[@charleshowarth8461]

Keep up the good work!PTL

[@NarrowPathDoctrine]

One word. Excellent.

[@discipleoftruth1985]

How does the Holy Spirit convict us when we sin if He doesn't speak to us directly in some manner?

[@TruthEvangelism]

Through the word, the ministry of the Holy Spirit and scripture are directly intertwined Ephesians 5:18- Colossians 3:16. Notice how both these passages mirror eachother and equate being spirit filled with letting Christs word dwell in us richly with all wisdom teaching and leading us to admonish one another with hymns, psalms(scripture) and spiritual songs. And look what Galatians 5:17-26 says 17For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; 20idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us walk in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying one another. As believers who have been endwelt by the Spirit, the Spirit will fill us with fruit that are evident, and will fill us with the truths of scripture, and whenever we do something contrary, you will have a grievance. You don’t need audible speaking we have the word which the Holy Spirit authored!! Hope this helps, God bless🙏

[@G3Ministries]

He has spoken directly to us in his Word, and his Word tells what is sin so that when we do sin, we are convicted.

[@TruthEvangelism]

Also to add, He has spoken to us through the word 2 Peter 1:21

[@TruthEvangelism]

Ephesians 5:18 and Colossians 3:16. Notice how both these passages mirror eachother by equating being filled with the Spirit with letting the word of Christ dwell in you richly with all wisdom teaching and hymns and psalms(scripture). And if you are endwelt by the Spirit, you are a new creature in Christ that bears fruit as evidence and will walk according to the Spirit rather than flesh, deeds of the flesh being contrary to your new nature according to scripture which was authored by the Spirit. Galatians 5:17-26. And when you do stumble into sin the Bible tells us that we grieve the Spirit which convicts us of our wretched sin against a Holy God🙏hopes this helps

[@techrider2088]

2 Timothy 3:16 16 All Scripture is [a]inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for [b]rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness; By the word of God, the Bible. Read it. When you are familiar with it, it will come to mind.

[@abrammakgalemele3491]

This is deep. Even as cessationists, we are guilty. I ought to listen to this often and many times. Thanks Scott ❤.

[@jaym3632]

Thank you brother

[@johnuduagene1562]

The Scripture is sufficient and authoritative. Any other word from God outside from the Bible must be rejected and refuted.

[@HearGodsWord]

It really is that simple, but people still get misled

[@Hconklin-mp5yk]

We are to learn scripture and hear God speaks through His word.

[@jburghau]

It might have been better to wait until this video was available and to watch it carefully before posting your comment. You have the right to disagree and comment but please show some respect. Thank you.

[@jeffturner1894]

That's how Satan tricked Eve by getting her to listen to him.

[@georgeskopelitis8585]

I believe God speaks to us through His word. People who say God told me, is not God, but their god. So if it's not God Almighty, then it's a dark demonic spirit.

[@QuiltingMawmaw]

I love and appreciate this teaching as I hear many women use these phrases. When I was a new believer they made me “feel” 🙄 very unspiritual. Years later I see how it just glorifies self, that the Holy Spirit would talk to little old me. Also, the transfiguration explanation, wow! Thank you!

[@engaginglifesmoments7657]

Hmm..Yes God’s word is the ultimate authority. However, God does direct us through his Holy Spirit to speak to us in His will for our lives. Of course what he speaks through us should align with God’s character and that is only confirmed through His word. But to say that the Holy Spirit doesn’t speak to his people through impressions or leading us with the still small voice is wrong.

[@fernandoalarcon8534]

I agree. Unfortunately, certain characteristics have hijacked this. God speaks, and it must align with His word and His character.

[@Tilly-767]

Amen. He is the Living God. He created us to spend time with Him and communicate 'with' Him. And He does. But I agree that everything must line up with Scripture and with God's character. Reading His Word is helpful in knowing Him and what is from Him and what isn't.

[@tomtemple69]

"still small voice" is a common Twisted out of context saying, that is not prophecy

[@ChristianityExplained]

I saw an earlier video on the "Pentecostalization" happening among Evangelicals. Then I saw this video. Yes, I am Charismatic do believe that the Spirit is capable speaking to God's children through the still small voice. At the same time, the Spirit will never contradict God's written Word or go against God's revealed character and revealed will. What is this trend that Scott talking about? I haven't really been following; as I'm busy with my channel. I am just looking to understand what's happening to inspire Scott's video. I really didn't think much of it when I saw the video on contemporary worship. I'll check back and watch this video, later.

[@mattleitner5194]

I agree to sticking with the word, that is why I do not accept cessationism, as it is a deviation from the word. God promised power to his church, and the book of acts shows what that looks like. Personally, I lean towards the logical side, and do not have a lot of spiritual experiences myself. However, I rejoice in those that have had true spiritual experiences, especially experiences that have moved them towards salvation. The late Walter Martin did some excellent teaching in the area of cessationism.

[@erhardtharris8727]

Which is greater: God Speaking and Confirming, or God Healing and Confirming? I suppose that God doesn't desire to act contrary to external effects of fallen nature until Jesus returns, or how does cessationism play out?

[@cobyhelton9246]

Well said.

[@thedumbassspeaks]

This is a good explanation: however, there are those who will take the more sure Word and argue that the only way Scripture can be applied today is what is written. In other words, if the Bible is silent about any subject or situation we face in our age, we cannot make any judgments outside of what is written. Then there are those who, by examining the principles taught in the more sure Word, use them to guide their judgments in this age.

[@jkrjhn8]

Question: @13:00 you state that the Apostles did not ask for direct revelation when choosing a replacement for Judas, but that they consulted the Word and made an informed decision. When reading Acts 1:12-26 I see the Apostles consulting the Word and confirming the need to replace Judas. (Acts 1:20,21) However, after that they prayed and asked God to show them which of the two they should choose. (Acts 1:24,25) It appears that they are indeed asking God for revelation of some sorts. Then to make it more confusing (for me at least, LOL) they cast lots to see who it should be. I'm assuming the Apostles were trusting God to reveal his will through this act. Not trolling here, I'm a cessationists and I'm just trying to understand this issue as Biblically as possible. Maybe my definition of "direct revelation" needs to be adjusted.

[@utipessien6231]

They were Jews. Jews used to cast lots in the OT to make some decisions- Example - Leviticus 16:8. Now we know that this was in a controlled environment, and it was a direct command or instruction from God, and it wouldn’t be applicable now because we do not need to do that. We have the Bible, the people of the book did not. And perhaps the apostles were just following their Jewish traditions, as we see Peter going to the temple in Acts 3:1-12.

[@0oChrisHBKo0]

@@utipessien6231plus they had not received the Holy Spirit yet inside of them right?

[@jkrjhn8]

@@utipessien6231 Thanks for the reply! "Now we know that this was in a controlled environment"- What do you mean by a "controlled environment?" "and it was a direct command or instruction from God, "- How do we know this, is it stated in scripture? "perhaps the apostles were just following their Jewish traditions"- Maybe, but it was something that God still honored and revealed His will through. Your response does not answer the main question I have. The video states that the Apostles did not ask for direct revelation, but scripture indeed does shows us that they prayed and asked God to show them which one to choose. Then trusting the casting of lots to reveal Gods choice.

[@utipessien6231]

@@jkrjhn8 hello. What I meant was the priests in ancient Israel would cast lots in the OT, as a way to hear from God, and it was a controlled environment meaning only the apostles did this, they didn’t do it in plain view of the entire congregation, the church hadn’t started yet, they hadn’t received the Holy- Spirit yet, so that would explain why they used this ancient method of casting lots to make decisions, and also why they never did it again, because they had no need to once they had been filled by the Spirit. So yes they didn’t ask for direct revelation, but used a method that they were already familiar with because of their Jewish roots. I hope I explained it clearly. Exodus 28:30 Also put the Urim and the Thummim in the breastpiece, so they may be over Aaron’s heart whenever he enters the presence of the Lord. Thus Aaron will always bear the means of making decisions for the Israelites over his heart before the Lord. Numbers 27:21 He is to stand before Eleazar the priest, who will obtain decisions for him by inquiring of the Urim before the Lord. At his command he and the entire community of the Israelites will go out, and at his command they will come in.”

[@jkrjhn8]

@@utipessien6231 Thanks again for the response! I 'm not sure I totally understand the points you are making, but i will ponder your answers. Would you mind answering another question: How does the Holy Spirit lead the Christian today? If I understand correctly from the video then when I wake up in the middle of the night and have an urge to check on one of my children and it turns out they were struggling with something at that moment, that is not the Holy Spirit. Another time is when my wife was dying. All the adult believers woke up @0350 and came into where we were sleeping and said good bye as she breathed her last breath. Again, not the Holy Spirit according to this video. I want to reiterate that I am not trolling, I do consider myself a cessationist. However I really do struggle with how God leads the believer through this life. I understand His leading through scripture and the importance of that being the source of truth.

[@samuelmuriithi9938]

Can more teaching on this topic or this doctrine of illumination be shared here !

[@SamAliMorr8905]

I have an honest question. I am not charismatic. I’m confused about the verse that says not to quench the Spirit. What does that mean?

[@billdiaper8039]

One of the most interesting and someone ironic things that people say specially church leaders who say they believe that the gifts are ceased is this statement I believe the God has lead has start studying the book of revelation all the book of Matthew… what does that mean….. are they saying they’ve had a prompting from God to read that particular book and study that book and yet they say cessationists …..its interesting

[@simeonyves5940]

This is why the Reformed church *must* teach Calvin's Institutes, which are a Deeply Biblical, Cessationist, Reformed, Document that contains all of the wonderful Biblical Theology of the one, True, Reformed, Protestant, Christian Faith, to the Catechumen as soon as they are able to Understand, so they will not be lead astray, as I myself once was, Oh yes, I am an Ex Charismatic myself, by Charismaniac Voodoo and the Lies of Parham, White, Wesley, Arminius, Rome, Hell and Satan that have snuck in past Sleeping Watchmen!

[@user-vj9zq4sv6j]

As many as our lead by the spirit of God; they are the sons of God

[@dwmmx]

What bearing dies Christ's promise to believers, found in the more sure word of John 14, have on this discussion, and on believers today? Has Christ's promise to guide believers directly through the Holy Spirit ceased today?

[@joepepevaldez1683]

Faith,hearing,believing & salvation all comes from the Scripture ( the written Word of God) -- Romans 1:16, 10:14-15, Heb 4:12

[@BATTY3459]

I am in general agreement with you and I have seen the Cessassionist movie as well and the explanation makes sense. What I'm confused about is when someone I know says to me that felt the Holy Spirit speak to them to tell them to witness to their dying family member or they had a dream or vision of someone they know and they never knew these details prior to the dream or vision, and yet the details were accurate. How do we make sense of things like this from a cessassionist viewpoint? I don't want to write off these people as being crazy or lying, but we also know our hearts can deceive us. If these things aren't from God, what would they be? If from Satan, what would Satan have to gain from it, especially if it led to a loved one's salvation? How do you make sense of something like Nabeel Quarasi's account of a dream before his salvation? Is it possible that God may use dreams or visions or audible voices rarely with unbelievers in certain circumstances, and then He ceases to do so once they get saved? For clarification, I'm not talking about an unbeliever claiming to hang out with Jesus or regularly hearing God talk to them, but rather something like "a voice told me to stop for you". "I was at a bar and a voice in my head told me to get up and leave and then I felt prompted to go to church and I got saved" or something like that. What is the best way to understand those things biblically, being as charitable as possible with our assessment of others?

[@ashleym.6230]

can you do a video on Malachai ???

[@davidsprofitt]

I think you hurt your argument when you say things like they replaced Judas buy Consulting the word and making informed decisions, and not asking for direct revelation, when in fact they ultimately cast lots to make the final decision.

[@WinkenSmile]

Looks like we need another term, cessantionist and hyper-cessationist.

[@jackstockdale2583]

Rather than simply hurling a pejorative, why don't you substantiate your position/opinion? This isn't constructive or mature.

[@WinkenSmile]

@@jackstockdale2583 I actually didn't hurl a pejorative, but recommended terms for differing views within Cessantionism.

[@pamelaeason1982]

I also came from a charismatic, WOF, type background. I need to listen and read scripture carefully on this. Only because I'm trying to understand something. For example, my husband had been praying and he believes and i also, that God thru the holy Spirit unctioned us to move. I sold my house in 3 days. 4 months later, hurricane Harvey destroyed that entire neighborhood. I want to understand.

[@srohre9513]

May I suggest you read up on confirmation bias and the doctrine of Providence. Additionally, check up on Oral Roberts need for a building in Oklahoma City.

[@user-vj9zq4sv6j]

I appreciate the tone of your recorded message. The Holy Spirit, however; certainly prompts his to think, say, and perform certain things. To deny that would be to deny a big part of why he lives in us. The spirit will always lead us, according to the word, and in the direction of Jesus Christ.

[@MrCharleyAli]

If you use words like 'promptings', 'illumination', 'quiet voice', 'impressions', etc., of course we know what the meaning is, but where are these in the NT?

[@IHIuddy]

The only problem with some of this interpretation is that when the apostles spoke about the word of God they were speaking of the Old Testament. They would not be referring to their own letters. They didn’t have a New Testament then. Something to think about.

[@mrich21087]

And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.“ ‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭17‬-‭18‬ ‭ESV‬‬ To say that the verse above no longer applies up until Christ's return because the cannon is closed (a modern canon of 66 books is prophesied nowhere in scripture) is actually VERY unscriptural.

[@philyoung5397]

God told me better be followed by chapter and verse

[@Beeloved936]

So are we suppose to inquire of the Lord?

[@G3Ministries]

Absolutely! Inquire of him and turn to his Word.

[@nightsky5882]

I have a question

[@ArturoPatino.]

His Word is sufficient (Sola Scriptura)

[@codylee5095]

What you don’t understand is “God spoke to me” stems from a Reformed approach to divine revelation. When they divorced the spiritual from the physical by degrading the sacraments, they began to look within for assurance and thus God’s voice

[@HearGodsWord]

'Reformed' can be continuationists or cessationists.

[@AidenRKrone]

How can someone be a Christian but claim that God doesn't speak to His people? When you read the Scripture, the Holy Spirit is illuminating the meaning of the text to you! In fact, you wouldn't be able to understand it without the Spirit's active guidance on account of our fallen nature. God is, in effect, "impressing" upon you the meaning of His Word. God does speak to His people, but He does it within the confines of His revealed Word. What the Spirit tells you will never contradict the Scripture. If God doesn't speak to people at all anymore, what would be the point of praying for God's guidance on things like making a major life decision, like picking a job or selecting a spouse? The Bible itself doesn't address each and every person's individual situation. There must be some level of direct, personal communication from God to believers.

[@nephoone3325]

Why can't the less sure be confirmed by the more sure? Cessationism biblically speaking downplays the role of the Holy Spirit. God uses both the Word and Spirit! Amen. Praise God!!

[@lynnscott162]

Why even dabble in the less sure which must be confirmed by the more sure? Cessationists don’t downplay the works of the Holy Spirit . The issue is that some folks are attributing foolishness and error to the Holy Spirit .

[@HearGodsWord]

It doesn't downplay the Holy Spirit.

[@MadDogGaming]

The role of the holy Spirit is to convict of sin and sanctify the sinner. Not to affirm whatever dark idea the sinner conjurors from their conscience. You aren't hearing from God, you are hearing from your own fallible heart.

[@KathyBGood]

can someone explain 2:54 about illumination? I pray before reading my Bible that the Holy Spirit would help me understand what I'm reading. Is this wrong? How should I go about understanding it if I don't? I do read commentaries, John Macarthur's study notes in my Bible. Please help me, if I'm in error I do want to repent & ask rightly of God for His help. thank you! edit, I don't expect Him to talk to me out loud, or in my head or through events or anything.

[@chrismay7094]

No, you're absolutely correct. I think what Scott is saying here is there are those who pray that the Spirit would "illumine the text," expecting signs and wonders to follow in His leading us. But praying that prayer, expecting the Holy Sprit to guide us into proper interpretation of what has been written is necessary for our understanding. We should first pray for understanding according to what the authors intended to convey under the influence of the Holy Spirit when they wrote it down (Philippians 4:6-7). In fact, more people should pray before they read Scripture. It would save many from a whole lot of false teaching.

[@KathyBGood]

@@chrismay7094 thank you for your help, @chrismay7094 .

[@davidrussell631]

No, you are not wrong. God will not sanctify His people in the truth of His word apart from the work of His Spirit. If we don’t specifically ask for God to help us before reading or listening to Scripture, that need for Him to do so should at least be reflected in our humble, reverent attitude towards it. This KZbin is largely right. However, I’m also convinced that it’s possible for one’s theology and doctrine have a little too rationalistic focus. God help us when we avoid one ditch to end up in the other.

[@godside]

Suppose any said "prompting, impression or nudge" results in that which TRULY glorifies God and His character (not obvious folly)...is that such a heretical thing?

[@AndresChocontacolombiad121993]

That last part “we do not need the voice of God”…

[@russellstephenpang5245]

Since there are hundreds of different English bible translations, which translation do you use? You must consider it the most accurate but why? Which bible verse or verses prompted you to do this talk? How do you know God told you?

[@mattshiff]

At 2:45, are you really saying that we should not ask the Holy Spirit to illumine His word?? The noetic effects of sin just don't apply to us because we can read??

[@Version135]

At 3:00 I think some extra clarity could help. It sounds like you are saying the Holy Spirit does not help the believer interpret Scripture. But are you only saying in terms of the 'doctrine of illumination'?

[@TakeMeToEternity]

💯

[@FrankinSmiththeology]

Get a relationship with God and you will hear

[@tomtemple69]

The voice in your head is not God

[@FrankinSmiththeology]

@@tomtemple69 It's not a voice in your head

[@BeereasonAble]

Proverbs 16:33 33 The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD. This was how the Apostles replaced Judas. Although certain players from the charismatic movement have made a mockery of "the Lord told me," we should be balanced. How can one say God is sovereign, BUT he doesn't give dreams, visions, words, etc. Let's avoid all extremes!

[@mikefrench4787]

By looking into The Scripture one can verify what “ spirit “ one is hearing ……Matthew 16:17 🤔 My sheep hear My voice 1 Thessalonians 5:21 ; Acts 17:11 . The Holy Spirit has gifts and fruit . You will know them by their fruit . Then you will know from which root

[@ironsharpens_iron]

Read Acts 2:17. Also, I don’t think you read 2Peter in full context of what he was saying as an I witness to Jesus Christ. Your analysis seems more eisegetical in that what you state is simply your opinion. Exegesis vs Eisegesis…This is exactly why the Church is so divided today due to differences in religious doctrine. It is the Holy Spirit that teaches and knows all things as scriptures declare. Anyone can read the Bible with their own intellect, but it is only by the Holy Spirit that we can truly understand the unsearchable depths of God’s Word. Yes, I believe the Bible is a complete revelation from God that is given to all believers, but the Holy Spirit is what makes it alive to us. The Holy Spirit will bring all things to your remembrance. Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.

[@katiepruett7429]

Are you saying you believe we should be getting new revelation that goes beyond scripture? Or are you saying we need the Holy Spirit to help show us God’s word fully? Do you believe in illumination in this way?

[@jeffturner1894]

The book of Hebrews tell us that past time God spoke thru the prophets and the fathers but in these last days he has(past tense,)spoken thru Jesus Christ. Did his voice sound like yours?

[@wjdyr6261]

I hope not

[@tomtemple69]

Yeah, and the people who spoke for Jesus Christ wrote the Bible

[@mattshiff]

What about when John Bunyan was so moved by a verse from the apocrypha that he thought it was scripture for a year. And he still found it moving...

[@G3Ministries]

Finding something moving isn't evidence that it's divine revelation.

[@mattshiff]

@@G3Ministries but at what point can you say this is my "heart" versus this is the Holy Spirit? I'm not saying the apocrypha is inspired. Just that the Holy Spirit can use all kinds of things to awaken someone. Salvation comes from the Word of Christ by the Spirit revealing Christ, but I refuse to limit the Holy Spirit to what He can and can't use in helping someone or calling someone. And let me be emphatic, salvation comes by hearing the Word of Christ(the Gospel)

[@matteblak6158]

@@mattshiff the case of Balaam comes to mind. Yes, God used a donkey to rebuke him, but that doesn’t mean we should be standing in donkey fields waiting to hear from God. Descriptive texts are by definition just that, as are anecdotes.

[@mattshiff]

@@matteblak6158 I completely agree. Scripture is the normative means of special revelation. But can't God still speak to us in different ways? I've known men who have received dreams that came true. Won't go into all details but come on.... And these are men weren't charismatics, they were reformed presbyterians!

[@matteblak6158]

@@mattshiffthanks for replying. Yes, God can do what He wants to do. But by the same token, I am not called to exegete another person‘s dreams or experiences. And the Bible doesn’t tell us to exegete our own dreams or experiences. Deuteronomy 18 specifically forbids us from interpreting omens or using divination. Jude 8 criticizes the practice as does Colossians 2:18. My point is, but God is provided all that we need for life and godliness in the scriptures, and we can trust him to be faithful in that provision.

[@KNIGHTFOX80]

Being "led and guided" by the Holy Spirit is a totally different topic than "God told me". Our Bible study just a few days ago was covering this topic as we are going through Matthew and are on the wolves in sheep's clothing. Especially if people are using this phrase followed by predictions, you'd better see a HUGE red flag, if not, you should be concerned about why you didn't see one. And if ANYTHING doesn't line up PERFECTLY with scripture, it is guaranteed false.

[@sorenpx]

I definitely believe that God is not silent or inactive in today's age. He continues to move among men and to act in their lives and I think that he does continue to communicate things to people. In my own life there have been concrete things that have happened that are hard to explain away naturalistically. With that said, I don't think that people need to be careful with saying "God told me. . ." Just recently I saw in the comments on a YT video where someone was talking about how God revealed to them that eternal security is a false doctrine. Then someone else, on another video, talked about how God showed them that eternal security is true. Obviously God didn't do both.

[@BuddyLee23]

I’m not a Christian, but earnestly trying to be open to the Trinity and possibly become one. So, if I understand this video correctly, it sounds like you aren’t supposed to expect any messages from God and you should rely only upon scripture(?) I 100% agree scripture presents a very sound way to live, both individually and collectively, but it seems like if you never have any interaction with God or other way to connect with him you really just have to rely on faith alone? Not expecting any miracles or anything, but I am a little lost upon whatever relationship you are supposed to have with God, if any. Apologies if this all sounds pretty dumb, I am just trying to understand how to interpret this video.

[@KMANelPADRINO]

You should just check out Remnant Radio’s videos on the subject matter. They are much more balanced while also being Biblically-based.

[@ScottAniol]

All good questions to be sure. I would urge you to trust the Bible. God inspired the Bible, so every word in the Bible *is* God speaking to us. We can have a direct relationship with God through his Word. But yes, the Bible very clearly teaches that we have this relationship with God by faith alone; that is the key. We cannot rely on any external evidence, rather, faith is the conviction of "things not seen" (Hebrew 11:1). Believe the Bible, my friend. Repent of your sins and trust in Christ, and you will indeed enjoy a rich and deep relationship with him.

[@BuddyLee23]

I appreciate it (both commentors). I think I fully understand the idea there is no external evidence, but I think I was under the impression there was something more like internal evidence. Anyway, I am sure I would articulate it poorly here if I tried. I will of course maintain an open mind/heart going forward as well.

[@ScottAniol]

@@BuddyLee23 Hey, glad to dialogue about this. The Bible does clearly teach that once we repent of our sins and trust in Christ to save us, that the Holy Spirit of God indwells us and testifies with our spirits that we are children of God. He does not speak to us, but he give us an inner peace and assurance that we are indeed his. He also opens our minds and hearts to recognize the Bible as his Word, a love for his Word, and a willingness to submit to its teaching. All of this is absolutely internal work that the Spirit of God does for a believer. But the Bible does not each that he will speak to us.

[@tammyerste6350]

Correct. The Word of God (Scripture/Bible) in Galatians 3:11 (and others as well point to faith alone) says, "Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” ESV Grace alone. Faith alone. Christ alone. 🙏❤️

[@lindsayklingbeil548]

Noah (Genesis 6:13) Abraham (Genesis 12:1-3) Deborah (Judges 4:6) David (2 Sam 5:19, 23, 2 Sam 21:1) This is just a small handful of the scriptures that could be used to prove that God speaks and reveals His immediate will to His people. I am far from being a charismatic or pentecostal, nor do I believe that any of the modern day “prophets” are true. But those that have truly been born of the Spirit have vital reality with God.

[@markmusatau1929]

False dichotomy that misses the scriptural witness itself is like hoping in the scriptures that point to Christ but to miss the point. For reference 1 Corinthians 12-14, Romans 12

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

I am not charismatic rather a cautious, exceptionalist continuationist for this present dispensation. I subscribe emphatically to the final authority of Scripture and that the canon is complete. However, the Holy Spirit does bear witness to our spirits and guides and directs. The view espoused here makes the Bible little more than a handbook or manual to shape our lives with God at a distance and can lead to a cerebral, even Spiritless Christianity that is rampant in Reformed/conservative evangelicalism. Frustration at the dryness and formalism is a factor that can draw so many in the direction of dubious charismatic groups. Not all that far away from Deism.

[@tomtemple69]

Lol Calvinism is the complete opposite of deism Continuationists are semi deists Calvinism believes every single thing is predetermined so whatever God's will is, it will happen 🤷

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

@tomtemple69 Maybe not a theoretical Deism but experientally for no small number of Calvinists not much different and driven by a sterile logic. Experiental Calvinists not just with the doctrines of Grace but the Grace of the doctrines honourably exempted.

[@tomtemple69]

@@bloodboughtbigphilr8266 is that what you call following 2 Timothy 3:16-17?

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

@tomtemple69 Yes, when mixed with faith and the witness within of the Holy Spirit not just a mental assent to the overall, objective Truth of Scripture.

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

@tomtemple69 You do get Calvinist continationists of varying hues, some outright charismatic and today probably most who designate themselves as Calvinist would not be cessationist or complete ones at least. Even John McArthur believes the sign gifts will recur at the end of the age during the time of Jacob's Trouble after the Rapture of the church so technically Calvinist dispensationalists like him aren't cessationist altogether. I am aware of the distinction that is often made of the systematically Reformed and just the soteriologically Calvinist, the latter I would fall into.

[@davidward5225]

So, does God not speak by His Spirit?

[@ScottAniol]

God's Spirit speaks through his Word.

[@amandawhisnant2270]

​@@ScottAniolI beg your pardon Ge also speaks through the Holy Spirit. Jesus said that when the Comforter would come He would guide believers in all things.

[@michellemccann3710]

It was through the Holy Spirit that the Scriptures was written. Everytime we read the Bible He is speaking to us.

[@HearGodsWord]

​@amandawhisnant2270 if you don't think God speaks through his word then you're not going to have much luck understanding it

[@amandawhisnant2270]

@@HearGodsWord I believe that God does speak through His word. But Jesus made it very clear that the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, would dwell in us forever (John 14:16, 26) and teach us all things and bring all things to our remembrance.

[@keithcoulston6150]

How does a calvinist proclaim a closed canon after a red carpet was rolled out for a gnostic loving Augustinian bible twister

[@spiritman-em4qr]

This is very good.

[@humbertothebeliever2443]

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works....2 Timothy 3:16,17 Satan doesn't want you to just believe, but to add to it dreams, voices, urges....That is very dangerous. Many Christians are mislead by following more than what scripture says.

[@LaurenCombsArt]

I don’t see how you’re not conflating the Holy Bible and the Holy Spirit with this position. I’m genuinely wrestling with the continuationist/cessationist arguments, but I’m apt to think that there is a more robust theology on the sovereignty of God and the sufficiency of Scripture than the person of the Holy Spirit with this hard-line cessationist opinion. What is the HS exactly doing in us if there’s no communication happening outside of reading the word? What is His role in our lives?

[@VFXShawn]

Revelation is about the Day of the Lord (John was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day -Revelation 1:10). This is the time foretold by the OT saints, the time Paul says the Body of Christ has nothing to do with. That is for Israel and their last days. Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come." Amos 5:18-20 Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light. As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him. Shall not the day of the Lord be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?" Zephaniah 1:14-15 (The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness." 1 Thessalonians 5: "But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the DAY OF THE LORD so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness." We don't belong to that time period. Period. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJLceadsbbVpf7c

[@Iwasneverhere7]

What the Bible actually teaches is 1 Corinthians 14:1, which tells us to eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially that we may prophesy. Even when I was a former cessationist, I never doubted that the Word of God did not teach such a position nor encourage us to create safeguards outside that which the apostles provided. Do not despise prophetic utterances, nor forbid speaking in tongues. Examine everything. Let one speak and the others judge. The Peter passage has been wrested from its context, within the full abundance of gifts, and would not logically rebuke prophetic utterances. The close mindedness is sad, but familiar to me. Better to remain open to the sovereignty of the Holy Spirit and judge and examine individual instances.

[@tomtemple69]

Where does it say 1 Corinthians 14 is directed to us specifically? Did Paul address his letter to you?

[@Iwasneverhere7]

@@tomtemple69 Yes Tom. While the entire Bible is useful for instruction, the gospels and rest of the NT were inspired by God and written to teach us how to live as followers of Jesus.

[@tomtemple69]

@@Iwasneverhere7 it was written for us not to us...

[@Iwasneverhere7]

@@tomtemple69 Yes, there was an original audience. Yet, these letters were also circulated. 2,000 years later these writings are still just as applicable “to” this generation of Christ followers as it was “to” that generation. What is the point you are trying to make so subtly Tom? Surely you have an agenda in admin these questions which you have not yet revealed my friend. Let us speak plainly.

[@tomtemple69]

@@Iwasneverhere7 do you make women cover their head and not speak in church?

[@marklundberg2471]

I am not a cessationists, I believe we have failed being the New Creation failing walking in Jesus’s Authority. And I Believe He Still Speaks To Us In Many Ways. If you read the Bible it Reminds us of all the Different Ways People Were Spoken Too. I know many people dislike it when we say God is The Same Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow. We say we want to hear God Live by His Word but , We Won’t Act Upon It , But Expect God To Do Things For Us. If you want to hear God Act Upon His Word And Let Him Direct You

[@pipnipipa7627mimmahappunchaol]

As for the devil it will only TOLERATE you if you love it more and attack you if you hate it's evil more. Whereas Saints On The Other Hand trust; Sinners (witches and wizards) who have fallen rebel Angels within their hearts and minds, will cause Saints to love them only 10% chance and or commitment good behaviour. The enemy or opponent false non genuine individual know it and they are hypersensitive and triggered by this; since they expect bad behaviour and to get away with it, without punishment. End January 2024 From Mima God's and Saints Condemnation towards wrongdoers and the wicked individuals IS NOT evil coming from Heaven and rather it is a fight to say; take it back and recoil their curses and accusations and empty assumptions (speculation) and crimes, that is to be returned to them. As Elvis Sings RETURN TO SENDER (OR UNPROTECTED SLANDERER)

[@keyszen]

Joh 10:6 KJV This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. The blind leading the blind. You can be led by The voice of God by the Written word and by The Holy Spirit that dwells within the temple of God. Jesus Christ is revealed by the witness of The Holy Spirit prior to salvation/justification and during sanctification until being glorified like Jesus. Do you know the voice of the shepherd? If not, you are listening to other voices. Be warned! Know The Word and the word of God. Knowing is not living.

[@anovino1992]

If you separate the Holy Spirit from the lord, then your incorrect. The Bible teaches us that our body is the temple of the living God. Jesus promised that he would ask his father to send us: one who HE would guide us through ALL things.

[@jdoe97]

Jesus said in Jhn 5:39, "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life." He later said in Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. Listen to the words of Jesus. The Bible does not have life in itself. If you don't hear His voice, you're not His sheep.

[@mikelyons2831]

Why don't you have a problem with: Only an arbitrary pre-chosen elect will irresistibly turn to Christ, consequently all others can't?

[@margochanning6868]

Sola Scriptura. Anything else is subjective, relativistic, and conjecture. Those that espouse the special ability of divine revelation outside of the gospel are OF the world and yet another human who wants to elevate self and deny the Word of God. We are not to add anything to the Bible.

[@joyfultrails]

You revere the Word, right? Well, God spoke to people throughout the entire Word, Genesis to Revelation. It’s a bizarre belief that He would speak to His people from the dawn of time, for thousands of years…and then, as soon as this series of books that was decided make up the Bible were canonized, then God becomes a mute and no longer has a relationship with His people. What?!

[@user-uq4hh1xh3y]

I DO NOT USE SPONTANEOUS MESSAGES FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT IT IS WRITTEN AND PRAYED FOR PEOPLE GUIDED BY BIBLICAL PROPHECY AND AUTHORITY OF CHRIST JESUS (YOSHUA), THAT IS AT LEAST ONE YEAR OLD.

[@AJMacDonaldJr]

This is an example of how the Reformation introduced a modernized, rationalized version of the ancient Christian faith.

[@KMANelPADRINO]

Doesn’t make sense to blame the entire Reformation for this take when the claim of this very video is that one group stemming from the Reformation is intruding into the thoughts of another. You can also peep the comments here and see that many in his own camp don’t have his take. But this isn’t anything different than the Roman Catholic institutional embrace of the Big Bang and Darwinism. Truth be told, secular humanist rationalism has impacted many sectors of the Church at large. It’s why both Tolkien and Lewis wrote stories to enchant the generations they lived in, which they saw as falling away from the old way of things.

[@estudiobiblicodoverflusa7350]

Tom Shriner is right, God is still the same. I feel so sorry for theologians that know so little about the reality of our Great God who speaks to his people even today like He did in the old and New Testament. The Holy Spirit is not mute !!!!!!

[@watchmanjason]

if it is outside the written scriptures then it is not of God

[@larrytruelove8659]

I believed some of these people for a long time. Unfortunately.

[@Charles-244s]

Very easy to know more than God. Trying to explain God's thinking is a grave error. His spirit beareth witness with our spirit that we are children of god. So many thinking they know every thing. "And lead us not into temptation," who is leading us? You need to teach what is plain in the Word, God willl do the rest.

[@1hunterbh28]

‭‭John‬ ‭14:26‬ ‭ESV‬‬ [26] But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. How does He do this if He doesnt speak to us directly in some sort of way? Im not charismatic but it seems like you dont allow for the holy spirit to convict or teach like the word says. The spirit wont go beyond the word yes but He has to go to the word with us somehow

[@G3Ministries]

He does speak to us directly-through the Scriptures.

[@1hunterbh28]

@@G3Ministries can you provide some clarification, are you saying the holy spirit doesnt bring scripture to mind unless you are actively reading?

[@lynnscott162]

“Somehow” … we read the 66 books, he brings it to our remembrance. These visions, dreams, private revelations, and uneducated handling of scripture, ignoring context, are the reason for the departure from the truth.

[@1hunterbh28]

@@lynnscott162 100% agree that people who use the Holy Spirit to say whatever they want are in grave error but to say the Holy Spirit doesn't doesn't speak to recall scripture (its some form of communication otherwise it's just our thoughts) or that He doesn't actively give us peace and Joy or basically do anything is the other end of denying what scripture says

[@YSLRD]

First Timothy 3:5 This is a prime example of denying His power. Such a dead perspective on the living God.