The Dangers Of Leftwing Antisemitism

[@ananmuadi31]

As an Israeli, watching LonerBox being a total nuanced and fair non-Zionist, having the best takes, it's a breath of fresh air. Thanks man :).

[@dudebro91-fn7rz]

Hes absolutely a zionist thru and thru "non zionism" is just. Zionism lite

[@inovakovsky]

@@dudebro91-fn7rz Yes, He is a liberal Zionist.

[@Thelure2112]

I love the irony of Frogan perfectly embodying the way the Arab world shits on and marginalizes the Druze

[@Hamoud_da_dude]

The druze in israel are involved in Israel's warcrimes. They have been posting propaganda videos acting like muslims to trick the world into beleiving zionists aren't racist.They are know going to attack the druze in Lebanon.

[@ericthegreat7805]

@@Thelure2112 I doubt most of Hassan's fans know or care about the religious minorities being persecuted in Muslim countries.

[@nananou1687]

​@@ericthegreat7805they dont give a f. Armenians could be killed in dozens,and Hasan in the US, would just pay some heed to their plight using shallow words. Same for Hindus in Pakistan, or Buddhists in idk if there are any buddhists in Afghanistan at all, right now

[@ananmuadi31]

Spoiler alert: arabs/muslims loathe us more than they loath our Jewish neighbors, and recently they began to call **us** (while their ancestors came to settle in the Levant from different places and my ancestors witnessed them doing that 200+ years ago) "settlers" lmao. No matter what we do (whether it be create the foundation for modern-day (pre-Ba'ath) Syria via Sultan al-Atrash for example), we'll always be non-arabs, infidels and traitors in their eyes.

[@SRosenberg203]

19:00 I think you're misunderstanding the leftist position on antisemitism. They're not opposed to antisemitism. They're opposed to generalized bigotry, in an abstract way. But since American leftists are incapable of seeing any conflict through a lens other than American racial history, they're applying the "brown victim vs. white oppressor" framework to a conflict where it is wildly inapplicable. Antisemitism isn't a problem on the left because they've decided that Jews are white Europeans, and can therefore be blamed for the last 500 years of European Imperialism. Mizrahim don't exist, because the idea of Jews actually being native to the Middle East would undermine the narrative.

[@hurremhightower]

considering that no on in europe will ever consider jewish people their own yeah it’s pretty much antisemitic and also this is besides the point but everytime someone situates israel with european imperialism i simply lose it,like not only that they don’t have anything to do with it but even more neither white americans(european americans)nor europeans should speak about arab colonialism🤷‍♀️ that’s simply none of their problem,what is going on in the middle east between arabs and jewish people was created by the brits,which is another reason why europe should stay out of the middle east

[@milesdoyle7683]

bro what?

[@milesdoyle7683]

ur aware there are still americans alive today that literally fought nazis right?

[@TonyGModesto]

I mean most of those particular Jews aren’t though. And even for those who are it doesn’t matter, it is still very much possible to do Imperialism against someone who’s in your region. Just ask the Irish and Ukrainians what thats like.

[@hurremhightower]

@ it’s rather about not being able to do imperialism against your own indigenous land that’s the argument even thought it’s wrong but yes belarusians and ukrainians know that the best

[@engineeredaf1920]

35:10 pretty much sums up the entire 2 hours. my mouth dropped when i heard "wtf is a druze" by frogan of all people

[@datz8926]

Honestly couldn't believe it

[@antlerman7644]

Many of my European leftwing peers at university were like this. I've fallen out with lots of people over it. I'm not Jewish (or even relgious for that matter), but as a Brit with an interest in WW2 history, I find the facism in the US today and the antisemitism in the broader political sphere very concerning.

[@bazooka712]

Recency bias make the popular opinion sway a lot.

[@sathrielsatanson]

Yeah, antisemitism is ingrained european psyche and for it to rise aware people just have to do nothing. Good for Boner that he calls it out.

[@greybushMEproductions]

​@@bazooka712 Is recency bias a fancy way of saying antisemite idiots? I think that's the root underlying problem going on. Being "pro Palestine" and "antiZionist" just provides cover. Stalin did the same thing with rootless cosmopolitans and antizionism long ago. This is nothing new going on.

[@bombbastic785]

How is being Anti Zionist and against Israel's actions in gaza Antisemitism? you brits are complete morons.

[@tooitchy]

We have allowed our universities to become extremist factories, pumping out hordes of radical leftists. It's shocking we've allowed this to happen, and while the normal left seems to think these people aren't a threat, I highly disagree, this level of extremism in the population has already had detrimental effects, we see companies packed full of these extremists, changing the culture, this is how countries fall.

[@cipherenigma]

"Ethan is coming after us..." ...ok if you obeyed the ToS then you have nothing to worry about.

[@mightymachine5372]

@@connie.22 terms of service

[@adrien5834]

Funny...Wait, you're not serious are you? That's the first thing the NKVD told people when conducting an interview...

[@mightymachine5372]

@@adrien5834 ah yes because people got taken away because they did not accept the EULA and TOS

[@adrien5834]

​@@mightymachine5372 Well, they didn't say "the TOS", they said "the law". Other than that, same idea. Nobody knows all of the law, just like nobody knows all of the TOS.

[@mightymachine5372]

@@adrien5834that's a bunch of baloney. You know it. I know it. The law is public and available to look up, just like the TOS on twitch. The reason that most of us do not know much about it is because it doesn't affect us. I can look up the health and safety protocols for restaurants if I want to, but it doesn't matter if I break one of them in my house while cooking. But the restaurant I want to eat at knows the health and safety code because It would negatively impact them if they broke it. Same thing with twitch streamers and content creators.

[@IsomerSoma]

1. Antiamericanism -> allies by convenience with antisemitic+antileftist islamists. 2. Interpreting jews as white -> political functional concept of racism used to rationalize antisemitism 3. manipulation/injection of antisemitism by explicit antisemites 4. informational distortion -> adopting genuine antisemitic beliefs

[@marekmedien]

and then there's the entire thing about structural antisemitism within especially marxist-lenisist understandings of capitalism, and the denial of the singularity of the holocaust by postcolonial theory. etc.

[@arms7260]

​@@marekmedientf do you mean "singularity" of the holocaust? do you think genocides don't count if they're not as bad as the holocaust? genuinely what are you even saying

[@lordbendtner9328]

@@marekmedien The "singularity of the holocaust" is a thing exclusively in the West, and it's politically irrelevant outside of it. The rest of the world does not care about how we westerners deal with our history of antisemitism. You may find that morally objectionable but it's the reality, and it would be a blunder to confuse woke students in coffee shops with billions of people in the global south. Saying that they hate Israel because they are dictatorships, like Lonerbox does, isn't helpful either. We need to look at the situation with impartial eyes and realize we're the minority.

[@Themudeater]

You can be white and Jewish… this isn’t a hard concept to grasp

[@StuartAtkinson4467]

But what if someone were to take the concept of antisemitism a government party for example, nothing whatsoever to do with the Jewish ethnicity or religion, and then use it as cover for enacting every tactic the Nazis used against the Jewish population against another? Claiming that the land was rightfully theirs by blood, claiming that they are the superior race, rounding them up into ever shrinking geographical areas, forcing them into camps and then exterminating them, initially by starvation because of "the rules of war" but then by flat out military? What if, and I know it's a CRAZY hypothetical, while that was happening they fired off the "antisemitism" accusations constantly as cover while they themselves were some of the most right wing anti-identity politics bad faith humans on earth? In fact improving on Hitlers methods workshopping less genuine ways to go about it?

[@Dejavu_1101]

Appreciate your work

[@deathbysloth]

Hasan somehow has infinite patience and a negative amount of patience at the same time. It's so weird to watch.

[@deathbysloth]

@NextChapterRapper Lolololol! Hasan not falling for bait, somehow having a semblance of control over his rage. Good joke, love it!

[@endlesssorrowfb700]

It's sad how just how much damage hasan piker has done to the online left.

[@greybushMEproductions]

He's not unique. Cenk, Jackson Hinkle, Scott Ritter, Sulenski. They are legion.

[@NamelessMarshall]

His uncle is just as bad.

[@123370]

@@greybushMEproductions Cenk is still promoting Kamala; he's no russian asset (unlike the rest).

[@greybushMEproductions]

@@123370 They are united in their over-the-top antisemitism.

[@latlatko]

​@@greybushMEproductions Hinkle at least isn't even on the left.

[@darkrieshunter6670]

It’s crazy how obsess Empanada is toward Loner, I feel like he might have to get some type of restraining order on him

[@maclunky]

Was thinking the same thing about Lonerbox with Hasan. I liked his videos on the Nakba ages ago but coming back now and looking at his recent videos I can't help but think why is he spending most of his time "debate broing" the few voices speaking out about a campaign to ethnically cleanse Gaza that is happening right now. He has one video about how much smarter and more informed he is than Mearsheimer, the guy who devoted his life to his subject and literally wrote course material. Huffed his own gas too much, or maybe just speaks and name drops for the sake of being relevant.

[@vietnamsemonky4082]

@@maclunky Okay bud enjoy your echo chamber with Hasan supporting actual terrorists and platformin em. and I guess enjoy having BadEmp on your side doxxing children because they aren't informed xd.

[@AlbatrossCommando]

​​@@maclunkyDamn can't believe he's debunking the literal terrorist propaganda being spewed by the biggest political streamer on Twitch that's crazy bro... And a lobotomite is smarter than Mearsheimer. You're talking about the man who genuinely tried to argue that da jooz started the Iraq war. His entire schtick is regurgitating 60s era realism for today's populists. Obama and Merkel tried to implement his suggestions with Russia and it completely blew up in their faces something that he refuses to acknowledge to this day instead pretending that they simply didn't kowtow to Russia *enough*. His takes on both Ukraine and Israel are mornic and so are anyone who listens to him.

[@ibtoogood4u]

​@@maclunky , Hows the CP collection coming along BE alt account?

[@JohnDorian-j7x]

@@maclunky Who is "debate broing" who? You talking about Hasan? Or LonerBox or someone else?

[@EhhmmmNo]

Multiple German politicians from the left-wing party Die Linke recently resigned because their party seemed unable to agree on a position with regards to antisemitism xD

[@donovanlocust1106]

Sounds about right

[@John-bravooo]

Germany is lucky they get to exist

If this party wasn't so terribly antisemitic it would be the best party.

[@SvenDettman]

They didn't agree on how low they should bow.

[@EhhmmmNo]

@@SvenDettman You sound like a fellow German that has taken all the wrong lessons from history in school.

[@fishtower1046]

I really appreciate discovering your channel this weekend Loner, because I genuinely didn't have all that information about the history of the region (Israel and surrounding countries and areas) to make an informed opinion on 😮 Doesn't feel good to admit, but it's very much necessary to do so to improve. Thank you 🙏

[@John-bravooo]

I mean how much history do you need to understand kidnapping infants and gang rape is never ok? Whole war is antisemitic. Blacks can still milk the slavery but jews must justify their existence? To people who have 0 ancestral ties to america? Lolol.

[@abdulmasaiev9024]

1:09:37 Oof, I'm usually in the unfortunate position of wanting to defend Vaush since he gets so much unhinged and actually unfair criticism but that's an indefensibly bad take. It may be weakly excused by pointing to his incredible laziness and pointing out what he said about just supporting Hamas without the IDF comparison, but it's a real bad one.

[@ajiththomas2465]

Yeah, as someone in the same position as you, that was an indefensibly bad take. It may be borne from laziness and doomering but still a bad take from Vaush.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

You defend the loli bestiality porn Gooner?

[@pxlcowpxl6166]

The problem is that he knows nothing about other countries, like all Americans, but that doesn't stop him from talking out of his ass. I especially notice that when he talks about Germany, because I know quite a bit about it. He should focus on American politics and turn to foreign creators when talking about foreign politics.

[@uninstaller2860]

I think I agree with Vaush though. To clarify, I don't think Vaush means with "numbers game" an actual game with DPS (damage per second) calculations or peak deaths per minute. I think it's either sloppy or dishonest of LonerBox to interpret it the way he did. Anyway, my point is that most people looked in horror when Hamas killed more than a thousand people, most of which were civilians causalities. But when Israel started its counterattack with the civilian deaths increasing, then people thought Israel wasn't bombing in a sane fashion. If Israel would have done something more precise and effective, rather than blind revenge, then a lot of people would have just criticized Israel for their open-air prison and the conditions that led to Hamas feeling justified to attack Israeli civilians. The sociological lens. If I recall correctly, because I did see the live stream, that Vaush's conclusion was that both are bad, Hamas and IDF, but since IDF took it too far, they carry more of the blame. And after all Israel is in power, you could also call it a numbers game. They have the food, water, guns and soldiers, they control the fate of Gaza.

[@saltycanadian2467]

Why defend a pedophile?

[@TheOpnor]

Literally one of the last people with a somewhat nuanced and based take on all of this. Thank LonerBox!

[@Hamatosaki1]

I’m a Jew who grew up poor in the United States and I find it wild when they think all of us are rich

[@winterfire89]

SAME! I'm still very poor. Like what?!

[@amaruandujar]

In what way what other people can drop everything and go to stolen land with wealth waiting for them, i.e. that’s not true you could’ve went to Israel you have the wealth of options clearly

[@tecumseh821]

Same.

[@tecumseh821]

​@amaruandujar what are you smoking bro. Talking about being wealthy not about some few thousand dollar subsidie you might get if you immigrate. And lots of countries do that

[@amaruandujar]

@@tecumseh821 I smoke crack and even I know people without options are always poorest

[@shmuelaryehkoltov241]

People that are doing the numbers game of people died, are basically asking for human sacrifices for their sympathy. "Sacrifice enough people and we will feel sorry for you!"

[@ronix-p7q]

This Vaush guy truly is a garbage human being

[@ronix-p7q]

@@peacewarrecords We do. Unlike you though, we know who is truly to blame for their fate.

[@shmuelaryehkoltov241]

@@peacewarrecords the people doing the numbers game don't feel sorry for them. You certainly don't. You just want to feel good about yourself and do some virtue signaling.

[@ronix-p7q]

@@peacewarrecords That is no solution.

[@shmuelaryehkoltov241]

@peacewarrecords but it's also possible for you to decide what other people you've never met feel and what they don't feel, apparently. Don't recall to make you my judge though.

[@jenkinsdonut8435]

Gotta say, I’ve been following your coverage of this conflict since October last year, and your coverage is extremely refreshing because you always support your claims with more and more thorough research, and you’re careful to not get fanatical about your position. Keep up the good work, many appreciate it!!

[@iamjopaul]

really appreciate the level of research and effort you put into your page and the information accuracy is such a relief after seeing the bias of almost all mainstream media outlets...Thank you

[@ferdinanddaratenas3447]

On the side note, many buildings in Rafah were destroyed because Hamas put explosives in order to kill Israeli soldiers before they started their ground offensive there in May, although in the end most were detonated by the engineers before they could hurt the soldiers. Hamas couldn't care less about destruction and the consequences of their actions. Just saying.

[@reomai9576]

Does Idf care about the captives?

[@donovanlocust1106]

​@reomai9576 yes? The people in the government don't. The right-wingers anyway

[@mckenzie.latham91]

Engineers? You mean the ones that were using Palestinian children as human shields by sending them in first According to multiple human right groups on the ground there and by the Israelis times That has confirmed IDF have admitted to doing this...

[@mckenzie.latham91]

The IdF have admitted they use Palestinian children as human shields by sending them into booby traps houses before IDF troops enter there They force then at gun point and the Israel Times just reported this because IDF are openly admitting It to family members How noble that you needed to glaze for them

[@Morning404]

@@donovanlocust1106 Most israelia agree with the israel's indiscriminate bombing campaign according to polls. The OPs comment coupled with the poll I just mentioned is disgusting.

[@Dejavu_1101]

@lonerbox what makes you so compelled to address issues like this so fairly? It’s so rare these days. Appreciate you

[@pro-choicemom]

Actually being intelligent helps one stay fair--if you recognize reality.

[@austinchasteeny]

I feel like empathy and critical thinking would lead anyone to the same place Lonerbox is

[@tacocanada1888]

@@austinchasteeny that and basing your opinions on 5 second out of context clips

[@georgepantzikis7988]

He claims there is an antisemitism problem among leftist streamers. There is no evidence of leftist streamers ever making antisemitic remarks. Why do you think this is a fair treatment?

[@piruz87]

thanks for calling Hasan out. apparently colonialism can be considered cool and whitewashed if its done by his ancestors the Ottoman empire.

[@John-bravooo]

Ancestors? Turks still colonize. Example: Him.

[@gfys756]

Colonialism is only bad when white people do it. It's cool and based when non-white people do it. 👍🏿

[@MegaAnimeforlife]

Its only colonialism if its done by white Europeans 😂

[@MegaAnimeforlife]

I love when hasan acts like the ottomans were the perfect empire with religious toleration and freedom when they literally had mass persecutions of Greeks and Armenians towards the end even before the young Turks took power and overthrew the sultan sultan Hamid did state sponsored perseuction against Armenians and Greeks as well

[@dontcare9974]

@@gfys756 " It's cool and based when non-white people do it." So it was cool when the arabs did it an enslaved African blacks for 1300 years?

[@ignatiushazzard]

i'm so glad, as a far leftist, that i've had lonerbox to keep my positions well-hedged on all of this. i don't believe ANY state has a "right" to exist (pretty fundamental leftist, really)... i think the most important thing to really frame all of your positions around is the significance of the humanity of everyone involved. this has been exhausting. i appreciate you, lonerbox

[@ajiththomas2465]

Same here. I watch Vaush and LonerBox (and Beau of the Fifth Column) and they sort of balance each other out in helping me understand the facts and feelings surrounding the Israel-Gaza-Lebanon War. But still, while I intellectually agree with the points that LonerBox makes about Israel and Gaza, I still can't help but feel frustrated that the only solution that presents itself from his coverage is that the people of Gaza basically have to tank Israel slaughtering them for the next several months until Israel gets bored or it becomes untenable. I just feel so black pilled and doomer about it. The only thing I can really do is possibly just share and spread the images of Israeli savagery against the Gazan and Palestinian people around college campuses for the next few years in order to at least create some change, some shifting of thought in regards to the US supporting Israel. Do you get what I mean?

[@sharoncohen318]

"i don't believe ANY state has a "right" to exist" The issue I have with most leftists on this position is that they still think we should "start" with Israel, and that it's ok to kill random Israelis while they sit comfortable and safe on their Native American graveyard land. And that it's all ok because they advocate for land back in the US too, they just know they can virtue signal with land acknowledgements without paying for any of it with their safety or property.

[@John-bravooo]

Why not? Do you believe Europeans and Muslims have a right to genocide jews? Should blacks be enslaved? Humanity literally kills jews for 3000 years without consequence.

[@reomai9576]

​@@John-bravooowhy humanity did that?

[@SystemFailing]

Yeah same. I think his analysis on the difference between right wing and left wing antisemitism is spot on. I’m farther left than Loner, but I’m pretty appalled at how most creators in this space will just unthinkingly align themselves with any violent group that so happens to be against America, even if that group is extremely antisemitic and queerphobic. It builds up a certain callousness to antisemitic rhetoric or the perspective of Jewish people in general.

[@lordbravery4155]

Its hard to feel sorry for Ethan when he is crying about Hasan's tactics. He did all the same things, gleefully, to Aba & Preach when leftovers was going strong.

[@tiffany.Elizabeth.]

It’s truly frightening that a ton of young people look up to hasan and co.

[@vorrmax]

@@NextChapterRapper because he gives them the peace of mind to continue supporting a genocidal regime while still pretending to be your average "i'm a good person" leftist

[@rahallde]

Those who shout the loudest are the same ones who lack a minimum of intelligence.

[@kambam9953]

Really enjoyed and learned from this video. I’m new to lonerbox, but I have a lot of respect for his moral composure.❤❤

[@orbitfold]

Wait does Hasan honestly think he’s an Arab? Seriously?

[@barnebyoconnell8176]

He's Turkish???

[@orbitfold]

@@barnebyoconnell8176 do you then think that people who live in Turkey are Arabs then lol?

[@orbitfold]

@@barnebyoconnell8176 Turks are as much Arabs as they are Lithuanians

[@greybushMEproductions]

He also thinks he a socialist.

[@matsab7930]

@@barnebyoconnell8176yes, Turks are by literally no metric Arab. They don’t consider themselves to be, and Arabs don’t consider them to be either. They pretty much had themselves as the superior race in the Ottoman Empire they controlled too lol; they were the white colonisers people like hasan complain about in the Arab world…

[@Armeddragon12]

Frogan is most likely saying to go back to Brooklyn because of that one story with the Jew from Brooklyn taking that Palestinian women's property. Easy-brain shortcut I think. Not the correct take however.

[@John-bravooo]

Funny how Muslims dont have to go back to Muslim countries.

[@DeadEnd-b4b]

He didn't "take" any "palestinian women's property". That was property that had been owned by Jews for over a century which these Arabs were squatting on after the Arab Legion ethnically cleansed the Jews from East Jerusalem in 1949. The owners even allowed for the Arabs to stay if they pay rent and they refused, so they were rightfully removed. The entire Shimon Hatsadik neighbourhood was Jewish before the Arabs invaded it.

[@tiffany.Elizabeth.]

@@John-bravoooi wouldn’t stop them

[@adrien5834]

@@DeadEnd-b4b So true, it's only justice that people can reclaim the homes they had to abandon. So what about all the Palestinian who had to flee, when is Israel giving them their homes back?

[@Armeddragon12]

@@DeadEnd-b4b But isn't that sort of analysis very shallow? With that reasoning any Native population conquered by any imperialistic power has the right to forcefully remove people from homes the people from the conquering group have lived in for decades. According to your logic, if Native Americans had enough arms and military might, they'd be morally justified in forcing Americans out of states like Mississippi and Georgia for what happened to them ~200 years ago. Not an unrealistic comparison considering the Israeli-Palestine conflict is nearing 100 years. I think most people would agree that there is a sort of statute of limitations on forcefully removing people from homes once they have settled in after the militaristic campaign has ceased and the original population has moved on. Another issue is that we would have to decide how far back we want to go in terms of which "ethnic group" gets the the land that was originally theirs. We would essentially be picking our preferred winners and losers. Not to mention, ownership rights should only transfer to the individual who lost the property, not a socially-defined ethnic group. There is way too much to contend with in that sort of thinking for me to agree with it.

[@kmo9790]

Wait, he has a degree in history? Omg that makes his stuff soo much worse. Unrelated, but do you think we might get Ingmar Bergman level films at some point that artistically frame the religious self hate the online Left engages with?

[@jakebreaker]

Different trains of thought often run along the exact same tracks.

[@greybushMEproductions]

Yes, it doesn't matter where on the spectrum they are, they always unite over their hatred of Jews.

[@nomduclavier]

Some people don't know how to engage in politics beyond oppressed/ oppressor

[@NickWustrack]

“Go back to Brooklyn” Imagine some saying go back to Deerborn, MI to a Palestinian

[@BagelBoy97]

Bro I have a friend who is a Mizrahi jew whose family got ethnically cleansed by the Iraq government that gets told this constantly… He hasn’t ever set foot in the US 🤣

[@wachowski9525]

it wouldn't make sense to say a Palestinian born in Palestine should go back to Dearborn, but it does make sense to tell the countless American Jews who have joined the IDF to go back to America

[@colbunkmust]

​@@wachowski9525 This is a weird double standard to draw. You're effectively claiming that people's nationality or homeland can only be defined by their birthplace. Also, the number is hardly "countless". On average, prior to 2023, the average number of foreign participants on the IDF was about 2-4000 total foreign nationals of which about a third are from the US. Even if that number has increased by threefold that number is hardly countless, especially considering that the IDF maintains a combined professional and reserve force of over 600000. Besides, this conversation in entirely pointless in the first place. Is saying "American IDF personnel, go back to the US" going to have any beneficial result? Is it going to result in peace in the Middle East if Hamas or Hezbollah's ideology are just as, if not more intolerant than the Zionists settlers in the region? The uptick of foreign fighters moving to Israel is a direct result of the attack in October 2023 by Hamas. If pro-Palestinian activists want discourage foreigners from joining the IDF then they should be chastising the terrorist groups and their Iranian handlers instead of lauding them or pretending they aren't inherently part of the problem.

[@TonyGModesto]

@@colbunkmust They really aren’t the problem though, this has been an ongoing issue even well before the attacks. The issue isn’t that they were born in one place and moved to another, the issue is that they are participating in a colonial project, which they objectively are. Pointing out their foreign origins is a useful tactic for highlighting the conflict for what it is, a struggle between an invading and native population.

[@colbunkmust]

@@TonyGModesto The irony of your comment is that because of your excessive use of pronouns instead of nouns your statement could equally be applying to either the IDF or their Iranian backed adversaries.

[@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding]

Destiny truly lives rent free on hasan's head.

[@garrettmetting6938]

To be fair you could switch destiny and hasan in that sentence and the statement would still be true. I despise hasan I'm just being silly rn

[@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding]

@@garrettmetting6938 They should just kiss already.

[@garrettmetting6938]

@@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding 💯

[@StuartAtkinson4467]

A quick old mentions search of Destiny's videos, discord and reddit for "Hasan" compared to a search of Destiny in the reverse kinda shows that's bs haha.

[@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding]

@StuartAtkinson4467 Those things aren't mutualy exclusive??

[@personand]

Bad empanada Is just restarted

[@greybushMEproductions]

restarted is one way to put it. I'd call him a closet nazi.

[@Joviakus]

Restarted his acoustic streak

[@a1saucin221]

@@Joviakusi am too. Just a little.

[@oscarmclean6166]

he's Australian, they get kicked in the head when they are a baby, that's why they're like that

[@davitdavid7165]

This is the first time i got more nuance about ethiopia

[@Raccoon4Peas]

Lol and my family who came back to Israel in the 50’s from Morocco were in the Haganah. 🙄

[@connorl9546]

What is the effective counterargument for the idea that Israel ingenders antisemitism in the region due to Israel overtly tying its colonial project to the ethno-religious identity of jews? He highlights this as a possible leftist argument but doesn't suply a rebuttal to it.

[@ManlyMenAndSam]

To a certain extent, I imagine that’s inevitable. Regardless of where the Jewish state went, it would engender some anti-semitism. From what I’ve heard, a large part of the issue isn’t necessarily that Israel is an ethnostate, but that it is a Western, settler colonial state. I think this is truly what engenders hatred of Israel. If Israel were somewhere in the West, I doubt we’d have this problem. The issue is that the whole point of the Zionist project is to have a place where Jews aren’t the minority. Being the minority everywhere they go has not worked out well for them. Many would argue that abolishing the ethnostate (or Israel itself) for the sake of a multi-ethnic society puts Jews at risk of suffering another holocaust, especially given the groups they’re fighting against. Some might argue for a gradualist approach to this multi-ethnic society, but I think the notion that Jews (even across the globe) will be safe without their own state to be naive.

[@Snacks256]

@@ManlyMenAndSam " large part of the issue isn’t necessarily that Israel is an ethnostate, but that it is a Western, settler colonial state" This is only the Western whitewashing of the issue, much of it inspired by literal Soviet propaganda. Arab and Islamic leaderships have historically made it quite explicitly clear their problem is the Jewish nature of the state, not that it's "western" or "colonial" or any other such academic euphemisms. The Arab militias in particular aren't the least bit shy about the target of their ire, and the word they use for them doesn't start with a Z.

[@ManlyMenAndSam]

@ Don’t get me wrong, these group are clearly genocidal antisemites. However, this severity of antisemitism didn’t exist in the region until the Jewish state was established. Plus, the charters of these groups have a particular ire for all things Western, hence why they continuously put America and Israel in the same boat. Regardless of what kind of state was established, and Western intrusion into the Eastern world was bound to get an extreme response. Since it’s a Jewish state, this extreme response comes in the form of antisemitism.

[@ManlyMenAndSam]

@@Snacks256 Don’t get me wrong, these group are clearly genocidal antisemites. However, this severity of antisemitism didn’t exist in the region until the Jewish state was established. Plus, the charters of these groups have a particular ire for all things Western, hence why they continuously put America and Israel in the same boat. Regardless of what kind of state was established, Western intrusion into the Eastern world was bound to get an extreme response. Since it’s a Jewish state, this extreme response comes in the form of antisemitism.

[@Snacks256]

@@ManlyMenAndSam The antisemitism in the region was always severe; see the Orphans Decree in Yemen. The Arab states weren't mad merely that Israel was "Western," they were mad because the dhimmi had dared to rise up, and had given them a humiliating military defeat. And the Islamists weren't mad at Israel for being part of "the West," but because of a fusion of European antisemitism with jihadism. The West isn't bad merely because it's non-Muslim and degenerate, but because _they think it's controlled by the Jews_ ; look up Sayyid Qutb and the Muslim Brotherhood.

[@Adze99]

I'm really grateful for your clear thoughts on this.

[@georgepantzikis7988]

You'd think in a two hour video about "leftist antisemitism" there'd be at least one example of a leftist being antisemitic. I'm curious, when you say "antisemitic" do you just mean "people who don't like Israel"? It betrays an insane level of arrogance to think that just because someone doesn't agree with your view on a given conflict, they must be motivated by racism/bigotry. If we want to be bad faith, we can, but I don't think it works in your favour. There are waaaaaay more off handed comments, jokes, and implied opinions to support the idea that you and Destiny hate Arabs than there are for leftists hating Jews

[@SirGrimLockSmithVIII]

26:54 He literally explained how a game of media telephone made a horrible mistake and moment of miscommunication on the part of Israeli doctors that led to the temporary sterilization without consent of Ethiopian Jewish refugees in transit systems (that eventually got corrected, mind you) morph into a conspiracy where a white supremacist-driven Israel deliberately and permanently sterilized said Ethiopian Jews to keep the country "pure". Stories like those end up spreading a lot of unnecessary misinformation about Israel that paints them as the Fourth Reich. Lonerbox continuously reiterates that Israel still commits war crimes and horrible actions, but they are not on the same level as Nazi Germany and yet, because of pushed narratives like the mass Ethiopian sterilization conspiracy, people assume that they are. These kinds of narratives cause chain reactions where it becomes easier and easier for anti-westerner leftists to buy into other forms of propaganda and conspiracies that get pushed by organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah and, slowly, anti-Zionist rhetoric starts to turn into anti-Jewish rhetoric. Suddenly the Houthis are not just an antisemitic gang of pirate terrorists that explicitly say, "Curse Upon All Jews" on their flag and attack freight ships that aren't even associated with Israel (or have the loosest connections to Israel at best); they're just a legitimate government body fighting against the oppression of White Supremacist Israel in the name of Palestine by forming a legitimate blockade against Zionist-controlled ships. And the anti-West leftists and tankies eat that shit up uncritically.

[@williamparodygaming1545]

Top tier = Arab. Lower tier = Zionist? This is when Zionist is somewhat synonymous with Jewish. I don’t know how this isn’t antisemitism.

[@Occam601]

Unfortunately this very well put together rational logical and coherent response will just be brushed off and ignored by Lonerbox and his fanbase as he is incapable of actually listening to arguments and not just using buzzwords and allegations of racism or antisemitism.

[@dudebro91-fn7rz]

There's tons of videos of leftist perpetuating anti semitic conspiracy theories, like the khazar myth, as well as openly calling for jews to be ethnically cleansed from their homeland

[@Oresama6977]

Did you watch the video?

[@vadimshkolnik]

Good to hear a balanced perspective.

[@lordbendtner9328]

Is it antisemitic to think that antisemitism isn't the worst thing about Isreal's list of war crimes being longer than Russia's on Wikipedia?

[@Tikdickler]

Unless the worst thing to you is not realizing the extent of Russian atrocities and humanitarian violations, and how selective outrage on the left has been, yeah a bit. Leftists hate Eastern Europe, and they’re white, so who cares about the mass graves.

[@Iamawesomenorly]

how many of these things have we seen now? if it happened once, I could buy it being a mistake. twice, a coincidence. thrice, is a cause for concern. but four, five, six? at some point it has to be deliberate. and ironically this is the defense trump-voters have for trump. J6 isn't just the storming of the capitol, no matter how many people just want to analyze it that way.

[@Iamawesomenorly]

also why the fuck does seandablack sound almost exactly like dylan burns on 2x?

[@adamclevi]

As a Israeli leftist, Lonerbox is keeping me stable.

[@austinchasteeny]

Wish you good health and happiness, stay safe out there

[@PEZ1514]

Yes he is the voice of reason not jingoism.

[@hughpickering1010]

“Leftist” Israeli. Lmao like a German in 1942 saying they’re a nazi leftist.

[@Retog]

I’ve not seen one leftist hold a different position than lonerbox on this topic

[@hughpickering1010]

@@Retog and what is that position?

[@vietnamsemonky4082]

Its funny seeing BadEmp in comments so I can always remind him how he doxxed a literal kid.

[@donovanlocust1106]

Wtf when?

[@vietnamsemonky4082]

@ I can’t put a link here but just Google “BadEmpanada doxxes kid” and you’ll see it lol. He’s doxxed a few people and has started playing pornos on stream when he’s losing a “debate” so get his opponent banned lol.

[@vietnamsemonky4082]

@@donovanlocust1106 He doxxed a teenager on twitter for making a joke, he posted a picture of his face, full name and address with the caption "Found!". The tweet is long deleted.

[@donovanlocust1106]

@vietnamsemonky4082 i assume he said "Hey , maybe killing Jews isn't cool."

[@materg7505]

I’ve wondered about a lot of these questions you answered in this video, so thanks man!

[@tofusoybearleftyhugmonster2273]

So are we landing in that anti-Israeli is antisemitic? Or critical of Israel at all?

[@reomai9576]

@@edawga-i3t it is a cancer for some.

[@reomai9576]

@@edawga-i3t nah, any sane person who sees the videos of kids torn to pieces will come to that conclusion.

[@MotiMota15]

​@@reomai9576 propaganda is hell of a drug

[@BagelBoy97]

@reomai9576 Damn that’s crazy, only if the Hamas wouldn’t fucking hide behind literal civilian infrastructure and let people flee into Egypt…

[@Stumblingthroughlife]

The standard is if you wouldn't hold another country accountable for x but you would Israel, then it might be antisemitism. Like they can't be a Jewish state/country but wouldn't criticize other countries for calling themselves Christians country or Islamic country. If whatever you are criticizing Israel as a country for you should hold the same standards to any other nation. I don't think it's a big request. I just think people are going to we can't criticize Israel but it's got a limit. The issue is many people are really just anti-war, so their war standards are unrealistic but if they hold those standards for every country, it's not antisemitism. It's still unrealistic but...

[@patzan48]

So detailed and factual. Well done.

[@lazarlapac5103]

Does anyone have a source on the Ethiopian women story? When I look it up, I only find news articles claiming that it was a castration attempt.

[@Eunacis]

They were put on the pill without informed consent and assholes grapevines it to sterilization because assholes.

[@LeeLe412]

How would you castrate a woman? No, they were given Depo-Provera which is temporary and given woldwide but the language barrier and the fact that many of the women who immigrated were illiterate made the women feel pressured to accept the injection.

[@donovanlocust1106]

Apparently, saying that antisemitism is wrong is too much for leftists ig

[@adrien5834]

The accusation of antisemitism is used to silence critics of Israel. Meanwhile Netanyahu is pals with all the worst antisemites, from Orban to Le Pen to Steve Bannon.

[@Stumblingthroughlife]

Or they'll say it but in the next instance say it's not happening anymore and doesn't exist.

[@donovanlocust1106]

@Stumblingthroughlife like what right-wingers do with racism?

[@Firefly_night]

I dont know if they streamd the 7 on twitch , but they did on facebook. From the pepole who they k* ..went live from someones granny account streaming her demise ... we so a lot of it while it happning .. Pepole cant comphrehand what happend here.

[@YaakovEzraAmiChi]

They can. They just dont care. They say the victims deserved it/ Its horrible. These people are not our friends what so ever.

[@EhhmmmNo]

really thought provoking commentary Loner thx

[@ChrisEchoesMusic]

What happened to you? Is it just another Vaush thing where you were always like this, or did you just so slowly get audience captured that you didn't even notice?

[@AdBlock-xl3tt]

What's wrong with Vaush?

[@irpwellyn]

​@AdBlock-xl3tt he's a danger to children

[@godhimself1128]

Im pretty sure this dude scraped the bottom of the barrel of destiny and vaushs audiences

[@TheBteamairsoft]

What?

[@dertasso]

Obviously antisemitism is a big issue, but you cant preach about antisemitism while being friends with people who are openly islamophobic.

[@ronix-p7q]

Who ?

[@dertasso]

@@ronix-p7q Destiny

[@ronix-p7q]

@@dertasso When was he Islamophobic ?

[@dertasso]

​@@ronix-p7qgoogle Destiny islamophobia first result. I think links aren't allowed here.

[@BagelBoy97]

@dertasso When the fuck was he Islamophobic? Because he made one Kaaba joke? Because let me tel you something about the Islamic world and how Muslims see Christian’s and Jews..

[@airlesscanvas6425]

Yet another win for horseshoe theory.

[@chickensalad3535]

It really sucks being constantly correct

[@austinchasteeny]

At first, I always thought horseshoe theory was a gimmick. But over the past 10 years it's really been revealed to me that in a lot of ways, it's accurate because the means both sides take to get to the ends are often the same authoritarianism, with othering of "bad" groups in a very tribalistic way. The type of black and white good vs bad thinking lacking any real nuance is what makes extremists turn to the same types of though patterns and behaviors

[@NouveauView]

Honestly at this point we need to abandon the whole "Left wing and Right wing" concept because it just seems like an arbitrary relic of the 1800s, the real scale should be people and decentralized government power vs centralized and organized governmental power.

[@austinchasteeny]

@lisaw150 i think to me the idea is less so they share the same ideas, but rather they lead to similar outcomes or similar methods with which to attain their goals. And they do so to the degree that, while they never "touch" the outsides of the horseshoe do end up closer to the other extreme than they do to the middle. It's especially evident with the antisemitism here as a stark example of actually sharing similar ideas, but I'd say more so the authoritarianism on both sides as well as unjust cadre hierarchies that form really show how similar exteme left can be to extreme right. Of course, there are exceptions, but this does paint a clearer picture I think

[@_xeere]

"We have destiny at home." destiny at home:

[@meteorjuice4088]

WHUTDYAMEANNNN DUD! IT’S OUT OF CONTEXTTT

[@Lisadoetdingen]

ever since you've been on H3, im a fan! thanks!

[@ModernRep1952]

Lonerbox, whenever people say ‘lol there were no orders to rape’ please bring up the mass rapes done by the Red Army during the end of WW2 because those soldiers were never given orders to rape but they still did and it was on such a scale that high command had to interfere. Why did they do it? Because of the rhetoric towards their enemies, the Germans, pushing the idea of equal punishment or payback for their invasion of the USSR. I wonder what Hamas teaches its militants about the IDF and Israelis in general…

[@oddedd7190]

"Gaza the Hutt" is objectively a funny

[@liamjack2653]

29:58 "Zionism is basically all the bad things Israel does" that is categorically not the definition of Zionism. Zionism is "a nationalist movement that advocates for a homeland for the Jewish people in the Biblical Land of Israel." You're very good at creating strawman arguments in order to misrepresent the truth. It's pretty concerning.

[@liamjack2653]

Also people aren't attacking "half of the world's Jews" they are criticising the actions of the Israeli state. Your wording is extremely biased.

[@Snacks256]

Look up how leftists use the word "Zionist" and you will never see them using it to refer to a nebulous nationalist movement encompassing a very broad range of social, political, and economic. And people absolutely are attacking "half of the world's Jews;" they constantly use dehumanizing language towards Israelis and advocate for violence against them. "settlers, colonizers." Spread lies about Israelis like that they're all "invaders" and "white Europeans" or that Israel outlawed DNA tests (they didn't). Generally hold Israel to a standard that no other country is held to, and then claim it should be destroyed, which you won't see them apply to any other country except sometimes the U.S. (and Poland, if they're a tankie).

[@DeadEnd-b4b]

@@liamjack2653 By chanting about khaybar, wanting to globalise the intifada and calling for final solutions. You're not fooling anyone with your whitewashing of pro fakestinian arabonazism.

[@reuvenpolonskiy2544]

I demand my home in Brooklyn

[@thewingedserpent5823]

i wonder how many of the deaths in the currect Israel-Gaza war can be directly attributed to Hamas using civilian facilities for military purposes and lack of air raid shelters. cause Hamas could be considered to be at fault for those deaths, and not israel

[@hakanpetersson2662]

Very few could be attributed judging by previous operations and regardless of this Israel still is under obligation to abide by the principles of distinction discrimination and proportionality as well as using weaponry fit for this purpose.

[@owabowa]

Few, because even if it is true that Hamas uses civilian facilities for their militaristic goals, Israel has no right to not be cautious while dealing with those military operations. All states have a duty to be as careful as possible to not hurt civilians and Israel is simply not respecting the sanctity of human life. Not only by the amount of Palestinian deaths, but how they have handled starvations, dehydration, disease, "safe"-zones, and the like, in the Gaza Strip. Sorry not sorry.

[@kosorsomesaykosm6240]

​@@owabowa "even if it is true" what the fuck if we are not gonna acknowledge the basic fact that Hamas uses civilians and public infrastructure as shields then we have completely fucking lost the plot

[@willdenham]

There's been a slight demographic switch in Brooklyn since the 80's lady. It's their demographic, in fact.

[@ZenosMind]

I do agree (with empanda and others being psychos) but at the same time, your fan base has some racist mfers and yall don't ban 'em. I can't count how many people on chat stream said asmo didn't have to apologize when clearly he admitted that he was wrong. Pretty much being racist, but you clearly won't address that.

[@muhammadzulkarnaen4229]

Careful, I think Loner personally has already sent the message that he think what Asmon said is pretty bad dozen of time. Now should he ban them chatter? Maybe, yes, he should. Especially if there are signs, they're recurrent chatter who speak full regards on every different topic or there are many of them in particular.

[@ZenosMind]

@@muhammadzulkarnaen4229 I hsve seen the same people in chat say tacid racist genocidal things for hours wiyjout getting banned last stream. Your argument holds no water

[@Tikdickler]

Uh he did? People saying he shouldn’t have to apologize were comparing it to what Hasan said. I don’t think anyone agreed with asmons sentiments.

[@ZenosMind]

@@muhammadzulkarnaen4229 my comment was deleted so I'll say it again, I seen a lot of racists in his chats when he streams and he doesn't ban them. Let's them yap but dares to grandstand others.

[@ZenosMind]

@@Tikdickler did you even read what I just typed? I said his base are full of pro war, pro racism (cheering on asmon) in the literal chat. Then has to grand stand other streamers when his own mods don't even ban them. I have had multiple people DM me from his discord when I was on and told me I as a Palestinian don't exist. They think an Arab is a race. It's just annoying he doesn't see his own base doing it

[@tiffany.Elizabeth.]

Hila has 3 children under 5 and owns a popular clothing company. I doubt she is a destiny ‘fan’. Maybe some people sent her clips.

[@COOLAUSTINO]

this lonerbox dude is like "i'm going to be nick fuentes but sneaky" lmao

[@hurremhightower]

he is against antisemitism i am very curious what are you refering with that statement?

[@LeeLe412]

just cause you don't like his views? Nick Fuentes hates Israel, hates Jews, loves Arabs, supports Hms. How are they alike?

[@dudebro91-fn7rz]

Badempanada is much more like nick,l

[@ignatiushazzard]

idk about ww1,but i do still believe that imperialism is the inevitable conclusion of capitalism

[@chickensalad3535]

I think it’s an inevitable conclusion for any society that gets significantly powerful and influential.

[@ronix-p7q]

That's nonsense.

[@Stumblingthroughlife]

You know i truly respect that you called out people attacking her for reasons that aren't what you should attack her for. Her words and obvious hate is worthy of attack.

[@eerolz8758]

I've understood that the terrorist organisations like claiming anyone a bit loosely related to them as theirs, which if true, would push the numbers towards the terrorist/civilian casualty rate towards the "good" direction. Is this true and if so, how much would it affect the numbers that are talked so much about? I'm mostly just neutral on this situation, and mostly think its a distraction from the more important war in Ukraine. Just a neverending cycle of revenge. I do think that Israel has more control of when and how to end the confilct, and that Netanyahu isn't really productive in bringing that, but we'll be lucky if it gets properly resolved during our lifetimes.

[@ronaldpentagon5592]

Every masterpiece (The Jewish Question by Karl Marx) has a cheap copy (The Jewish Question by Adolf Hitler)

[@saitharys655]

On the Jewish Question you dolt. And it was a defense of Jewish people being allowed to be Jewish albeit using the antisemitic stereotypes of the time as a rhetorical tool. The Jewish question pushed by the Nazis has nothing to do with that one Marx writing

[@gregmumbai333]

You're an idiot. There is so much ammunition to hit communists with the antisemitism allegation. Have you ever glanced in the direction of a copy of On the Jewish Question?

[@NouveauView]

​@@saitharys655 In "On the Jewish Question" Marx had stated that he believed if Jewish people were to abandontheir religion they'd be fully accepted, what people don't grasp about Marx in left wing circles is he and Hitler were both antisemites but they were different types of antisemitic, Marx was a religious anti semite where as Hitler was a racial anti semite. Hitler even stated that he wanted his ideology to "acknowledge the importance of race to differentiate itself from Marxism". Being as how Marx's family was Jewish up until his father converted to seek a more lucrative job and antisemitism was very common in that place and time Marx likely went further then most because he felt embarrassed or ashamed of his own family history, this is very common with groups of persecuted people throughout history to side with people who are persecuting them to try to differentiate themselves from the rest, Leon Trotsky, Genrich Yagoda, Sergey Taboritsky being similar examples to Marx in that they sided with regimes that would've subjugated or worse to them out of a sense of guilt or shame at their own heritage fostered by their surroundings and cultural stigma of the period.

[@owabowa]

You have never read On the Jewish Question by Marx if you compare it to Adolf Hitlers opinions on jewish folks

[@NouveauView]

@@owabowa exactly, one was racial anti semite (Hitler) the other was a religious anti semite(Marx)

[@vulpex4105]

BadEmpenada is TOO critical and cavalier, and LonerBox sometimes is TOO lenient and borderline an apologizer. But both fail to see that about themselves and about each other, and they attack each other with ad-hominem. Also LonerBox addressing others undermining their arguments with reasoning like "thats such a white take" in the same breath and calling others out for prejudiced opinions about anti-semitism is hypocritical and backwards and racist.

[@cuauhtez]

Good points. Both are more invested in rhetorical debate than dialectics. BE is actually a tad better with using factual information to create a justifiable narrative. Lonerbox is so fixated on appearing “unbiased” that he will, consciously or not, omit information, which is egregious and dangerous. However, BE is clearly so reliant on KZbin income that he engages in some pretty nasty rhetoric about other people, which he might think is a bourgeois concern but he couldn’t be more wrong. Empathy and compassion on an individual and societal level is critical when one’s who worldview relies on people feeling a sense of right and wrong morally. I think he demonstrates why leftist thought can become so crippled under a populist style rhetoric which requires human scapegoats and an enemy class for systemic and societal issues. It’s not so much absolving blame as realizing that justice is a tool and how you use it to crave out injustice is how you shape what remains.

[@wabznasm9660]

@@cuauhtez Wow I found the oasis of sanity. Hi guys.

[@marykateandnoashley]

this comment section is alarming; when did so many lonerbox viewers become right wingers whining about calling something a “yt” take and hating on lgbt ppl

[@adrien5834]

Some time ago.

[@chickensalad3535]

I don’t see the comments you’re referring to. Can you please provide examples?

[@all_thescience]

The one deranged anti-LGBTQ guy got clear pushback, so I think it's safe to say they're not part of this community. The people pearl clutching about calling something a yt take feels like a consequence of the Hassan criticism leading to some overlap with Destiny's community, but that's just wild ass speculation on my part

[@John-bravooo]

​@@CopperHTIDEurope shilling for jew hating arabs? No it cant be what a shocker

[@emilchan5379]

I don't see any comments here hating on lgbtq people though? Are they in another video? Also from my experience, anyone using "yt" to refer to a white person are usually deranged. So far I have yet to be proven wrong.

[@dannysday2001]

Very interesting video, but i found tge comment about the CCP being capitalistic pretty misleading... In my opinion Xi's government is evermore centralized and motivated by personal political interests instead of financial growth, as seen in policies that obligate private companies to share their data with the government, or polices that maintain failing SOEs. In what way do you find the current ccp capitalistic?

[@a1saucin221]

Oh… so state capitalism…

[@kiler4ever1]

‏‪1:22:25‬‏ hey need to add to thet list that hamas recruits from the age of 15. Still constitutes them as children but still combatants

[@hakanpetersson2662]

Btselem lists a handful of children killed under 15 as participating in hostilities with none being killed after 2004.

[@sniffer123-z1o]

i want to say something as a israeli jew i never heard someone say they want us to be as big as we were lol

[@shadowgamer4306]

Debate BadEmpenada

[@cpu_1292]

he did

[@chickensalad3535]

It was just screaming.

[@vietnamsemonky4082]

Bad should stop being unhinged and doxxing everyone he "debates"

[@EdLrandom]

bro the Israeli hand thing took me a minute but I love it.

[@InternetLaser]

As an American Jew, your videos help keep me sane and from viewing the entirety of the left as irredeemable due to their antisemitism.

[@reomai9576]

I5rael is dangerous for all j3ws.

[@liorzendel2268]

@@reomai9576 Israel is and always has been the safest place for literally any Jew but sure spread your bullshit

[@superwatcher456]

@@liorzendel2268the safest place for a jew shouldn’t even be their own country. It’s litteraly restricted by jews to have theirnown country but Ignuess zionism doesen’t care. But lets talk about secular matters, why does it make any sense to colonize a predominantly arabian peninsula and opress its natives and claim ancestry to that region despite being in europe for over hundreds of years? It’s not suprising your neighbours hate you

[@dan91121]

I think as a center-right person the simple explanation is that no, nonwhite people are not perpetual victims even if they have been wronged. There is a stereotype I think of some olive eating Palestinian who just was existing when suddenly big bad jewish migrant just took his house by force because reasons. It discounts the religious and corresponding antisemitism that existed even in the Ottoman Empire and it actually discounts the attempted coups of Jordan and Lebanon, rocket attacks, war crimes, etc done in the name of "resistance" to the occupation. Left wing anti-semites basically have indifference if not disdain of jews and dehumanize them for wanting a right to self determination. Left wing anti-semites also conveniently ignore the horrific acts of Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis etc because they secretly understand that beyond hatred of the jews for the most part in places like the US people do not see it that way. None of this means bibi is a good guy, but the people who think israelis are nazis want to ethnically cleanse israelis anyway - its an accusation meant to discredit any democratic element of the jewish state.

[@zach.0]

Right-wing antisemitism: Nazis talking about killing Jews Left-wing "antisemitism": Making a joke about Sabra Hummus.

[@zach.0]

@@DJ-wl5qo What principles am I throwing away? You don't even know me.

[@zach.0]

@@DJ-wl5qo So what principles did I throw away and how?

[@DJ-wl5qo]

@@zach.0I dont have to tell you shit.

[@liorzendel2268]

Right wing antisemitism: deliberately using dog whistles to spread hateful and racist remarks about Jews and Israelis, not hiding it when questioned Left wing antisemitism: Deliberately using dog whistles to spread hateful and racist remarks about Jews or Israelis, and when questioned, deny any evidence no matter how on the nose obvious it is, hide behind a fake moral high ground whilst straight up justify being racist towards Israelis or Jews while your left wing peers repeatedly deny that you’re spreading hate to not hurt their own moral integrity, inherently becoming even worse than right wingers who at least don’t pretend to be morally virtuous

[@Snacks256]

Left-wing "antisemitism:" Lying about Jews and justifying if not advocating harm to them, then gaslighting everyone when called out.

[@Osindileyo]

You're completely misrepresenting the issue that people have with the Israeli lobbying. Its our elected officials willingly taking money from a country that is unleashing unspeakable cruelty to a civilian population. The response would be almost identical if they were taking money from other nations carrying out such attrocities. We expect our representatives to do the right thing, but when they are being bankrolled in part by those they are supposed to sanction, they will never do the right thing. What would you think if the british government, for instance, was taking money from the nazis? How would you say that would've inpacted the response from the uk to the invasions and the holocaust?

[@killer0095]

I disagree with the characterization of the 40K killed in Gaza. Even if I grant that they did cost analysis on all the strikes and decided it was worth it, I think the IDF's math is barbaric if they think killing that many wounded people and kids is acceptable.

[@dontcare9974]

Why isn't it acceptable? It's an urban war, not a picnic. It's a war started by the side that chants slogans like "na7nu qawm yo7ibb el mawt kama to7ibbouna al 7ayat" (yet they whine when they receive their "martyrdom"). Is Israel supposed to deal with these arabian psychopaths with kids' gloves? This is the Middle East, not a western leftist safe space for rainbow people. Peace is achieved through force and strength

[@dillonbija9592]

​@@dontcare9974You are insane.

[@SDREHXC]

0:51 This more or less sums up the Tankie rhetoric online.

[@ZennZennster]

Saying "this is a white take" "oh hes so white" using the word white as a pejorative is NUTS and gross.

[@chewchewtrain]

Not really. White people, due to their privileged position in Western society, are often susceptible to having their positions influenced by this privilege that blinds them from some of the injustice in the world. “Privileged take” would probably be a more accurate term, but that privilege comes about from being white, much of the time.

[@donovanlocust1106]

Well , whites are bad to them so yeah

[@DuppyBoii187]

Yes loner agrees

[@gfys756]

Why? "Whiteness" is something to be discouraged. Isn't this a leftist channel?

[@adamqjsmith]

Is it possible to email him questions?

[@Vasto--Lord]

Almost first. But that’s okay

[@idontwantahandlethough]

proud of you anyway, champ

[@forestvvoods577]

Great video!

[@willdenham]

Why is she wearing a freaking nun's habit?

[@Saoirse_don_Phalaistín]

Antizionism is not antisemitism. End of.

[@donovanlocust1106]

Yes it is.

[@Saoirse_don_Phalaistín]

@@donovanlocust1106 no, it is not. Associating Judaism with Zionism and saying Jews must be Zionist is what's antisemitic

[@donovanlocust1106]

@@Saoirse_don_Phalaistín then why do you keep harassing random Jewish people?

[@Saoirse_don_Phalaistín]

@@donovanlocust1106 who am I harassing? Who have I harassed? Stop victimising yourself lad. It's pathetic. And indicative of the intellectual vacuum that is zionism

[@donovanlocust1106]

@@Saoirse_don_Phalaistín I meant your ilk. Also , really? Coming from the people who victimize themselves all the time?

[@arimilo]

I was unaware, but now it all makes sense. I Just Googled Hasan- Relatives: Cenk Uygur (uncle)🙃

[@Hamatosaki1]

Thank you for posting this loner ❤

[@keokihiga8462]

Still waiting for the video where he criticizes Israel…

[@keokihiga8462]

@@connie.22 yeah he always hedges by saying yeah Israel does bad things too, then going on to say how they get treated unfair and then say but Hamas… Look at all the uploads he has, all very pro Israel.

[@davitdavid7165]

Most of his other streams are anti israel. His videos on the main channel are very anti israel. He has friendly relations with people like vaush who is very anti israel. Where are you guys getting this from?

[@keokihiga8462]

@@davitdavid7165 I’ve never seen him be anti Israel. His last Israel critique video was him like saying Ben gvir was mental and that was it. It’s so false how he claims to be even handed.

[@davitdavid7165]

@@keokihiga8462 can you give me an example of him being particularly pro Israeli or anti Palestinian?

[@keokihiga8462]

@@davitdavid7165 look at his latest videos. The one that is titled being anti Israel, his guest is critiquing Israel and all he adds is “yeah that’s mental.” Also his whole framing is pretty off. Most Israel critics just want the civilian deaths to stop, he always responds to us like we’re Hamas supporters.

[@kaiserteddie9564]

15:54 tbf, some marxists say that those inder developed societies should have capitalism so the material conditions for socialism could come of course, i havent read that, but i imagine its something like that

[@lochlannblack7699]

aahhh the "reasonable moderate" lonerbox at it again

[@lochlannblack7699]

@bambina5604 me when I pretend to be pro palestine while conveniently siding with israel at every opportunity

[@TheMiels]

@@bambina5604 genocide denial isnt moderate

[@Tikdickler]

MFW not everybody is so crazy and online as i am that they’re willing to go to follow the streamer I like off an ideological cliff.

[@lochlannblack7699]

@TjFoshizzle77 both siding a genocide is not a moderate position

[@DJ-wl5qo]

@@TheMielsNeither is supporting religious zealots who murder gay people and oppress women because Israel bad

[@jloiben12]

Remember, the Soviets were fascistic MLs, aka Tankies. Marxism-Leninism can be done in a non-insane way. Just the most well (edit: known) variation of the theory is the one that the fascists implemented. It is a real shame because Marxism-Leninism isn’t a horrible theory. There are better ones but its co-opting by fascists gives it a much worse rep than it deserves

[@darkrieshunter6670]

Nah the ideology is horrible and it deserves to belong to the trash like Fascism

[@ronix-p7q]

It’s literally authoritarian in nature, what are you talking about

[@greybushMEproductions]

They aren't Marxists. They are Stalinists. Completely different breed.

[@raghavpatel720]

I hope you realize that the Leninism in Marxism-Leninism was added after Lenin showed his true colors when he was in power and it forever shaped people's view of Communism

[@jloiben12]

@@ronix-p7q Thank you for demonstrating the validity of my point

[@uninstaller2860]

I enjoyed the lecture in the beginning, but I don't follow the drama, so I didn't understand the rest. But the format is good, first the interesting and useful stuff and after the drama for the interested

[@dertasso]

streamers with egos beefing. Ignore

[@Rastaferrari829]

Streamers live in a bubble 😂😂😂

[@DJ-wl5qo]

I support sending Vaush to Palestine

[@donovanlocust1106]

Just any left-winger tbh

[@brentoncarter4275]

@@donovanlocust1106 sick to know lonerbox and destiny’s audience are right wingers. How’s nick fuentes ass taste Donovan?

[@donovanlocust1106]

@brentoncarter4275 we're not "right-wingers" you just disagree with us on Israel. Also , we're not Nazis and don't use my name like you know who I am.

[@damepenn5483]

This is Lonerbox'x Magnum Opus.

[@jimbob6355]

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