The Dark Side of Deltarune Ships | Why Kris X Ralsei is BAD | Deltarune Theory and Discussion

[@DragonitaPurple]

Honestly the purpose of ships isn't to guess how likely they are to be canon, but cause people like to play with dolls and make them smooch together. The validity of canon is just a bonus and a fuel for more content of said ship.

[@Quazex]

you have said in 2 sentances what i have gone on at least several extended rants about. Yuo get it.

[@lostgem8225]

Finaly someone put my mindset to page

[@taylorwright7428]

I agree, but I do also think the canon personalities can factor in quite a bit, to the point where two characters can NEVER speak to each other in the series, but people will still make fan art and fanfics of the two interacting because they think the dynamic that could be created from their interactions would be fun! And the dynamic is usually determined by personality, as long as they're being written at least not entirely out of character.

[@felipevasconcelos6736]

Yes, shipping isn’t about interpreting canon, it’s about transforming canon. If a ship is supported by canon, it just means more people think of it, but it doesn’t make it more valid than others.

[@NeyamRye]

Yep

[@waluigiisthebest2802]

I can see the shipping wars getting really toxic after chapter 3-5, depending on how they lean on shipping. Also, Duck thrash machine x Swan boat is the best Deltarune ship.

[@wontonschannel]

"getting really toxic" >implying it isn't already toxic as hell

[@waluigiisthebest2802]

@@wontonschannel It can always get more toxic

[@Ellen_Wadeko]

They are so in love

[@studsheep]

@@wontonschannel this is just the beginning, it can still go far far worse

[@Endrgamr262]

That’s nothing new to me I’ve seen a few shipping wars

[@neutralclownpose3928]

i think jevil/spamton is good simply bc it is incredibly stupid. Spamton having had a divorce is just an insane and a hilarious thought to me.

[@WretchedRaymond45]

exactly, i find it very funny

[@fufu_kunnn]

Crackships like these give me so much life, honestly

[@cedrolenon]

@@fufu_kunnn Like Shrek x Rohan?

[@fufu_kunnn]

@@cedrolenon ..Y'know, sure-

[@horrific_hank]

Reminds me of that one cake

[@nraflower]

it just seems clear to me that ralsei’s connection to asriel, whatever it may be, would keep kris from being attracted to ralsei at all.

[@alficiro3238]

@@James4044-5 'boss monster'-shaped darkner, different thing.

[@LunaticRhythms]

also kris is definitely into susie and not ralsei according to the ol reliable on a character's opinion on another or themselves the party member tea with kris healing the most with susie tea second best is noelle tea(she's his childhood friend) third being ralsei(heals like, 30 hp) and then there's kris tea that heals 10 hp so it's safe to assume that, kris doesn't like ralsei that much and that he definitely likes susie

[@chongwillson972]

@@LunaticRhythms so what you saying is susie x ralsei is best ship?

[@0nullnil]

EXACTLY!! It'd be so weird if Kris had a crush on someone that looks like their brother.

[@SmilingYonko]

@@0nullnil no it wouldn’t but ok

[@rosykindbunny1313]

I'll be honest, I don't think any ships are gonna become canon (except maybe Suselle because Toby seems to be hinting at that more than others). But that doesn't mean that the ships can't be fun! As long as it's not problematic and you remember that it's just a game and you shouldn't be too angry if it's not canon or someone else has a different opinion, ship to your heart's content!

[@spookydood5500]

Couldn't agree more!

[@ToyFreddyGaming1987]

Those are words of a Big Shot! Couldn't agree more!

[@ethanhawksley9097]

Personally, I never interpreted the Ralsei options as romantic. He’s a guy that’s never had a single friend until us. I picked those options because we’re supposed to be his friend, and I know how sheltered he is.

[@TheCrazyGhost72]

I give my friends hugs all the time! I get it. Although, I think the only way it could be considered romantic is because Ralsei probably has a crush on Kris and might view physical affection as romantic. But I don't really know. 🤷

[@mich3222]

thats what i was thinking too. the other options were just too mean 😭

[@MasquedMocha]

yeah, like, i just wanted to hug the goat

[@TheHoodieMushroom]

I belive Ralsei is our aro ace king

[@cakesmaya1775]

if anything it seems like, being charitable, Ralsei might have feelings for Kris, and since he's been alone his whole life he could be mistaking wanting to be platonically close with Kris for romantic attraction

[@ochoforreals]

I think the reason I gravitate towards Krusie is because every single moment that could be interpreted as a "Krusie moment" was made without the direct influence of the player. Obviously, there's that one festival question that Susie asks Kris, where she asks who they would take to the festival, every single response elicits a weirded out reaction from Kris, except for when they say they'd take Susie, showing that they feel completely natural saying that. Along with that, there's no instance where the player can attempt to push a romance with Susie, aside from that carnival question, at least from what I remember, all "Krusie moments" come from Kris's own actions and words without the direct influence of the player.

[@TheCrazyGhost72]

I can see how it could be a ship, but personally I just view it as a friendship. And that all the "Krusie moments" are showing off that friendship or showing them growing closer as friends. But that's just my opinion. 😊

[@based980]

same

[@darkmatter9651]

That makes sense. I just like em because like... class bully, class weirdo, outcasts, finally finds someone who understands them. It's nice. It's then against the world your honor (platonically or romantically, you can't say I'm wrong)

[@jujuoof174]

Yes, exactly!

[@tirididjdjwieidiw1138]

it’s probably platonic

[@tarvoc746]

Here's something I thought about Ralsei. I'm not sure if you noticed this, but he has a habit of psychologically and emotionally adapting to the other character's needs and desires, and Kris's (or also the Player's, it's kind of muddled honestly) in particular. What if this adaptation isn't just psychological and emotional, but also physical? What if the initial weird, black-furred fuzzy form that doesn't look like a goat at all is actually his _original_ form? It really doesn't look like the black fur is just a shadow cast by his hat, it really does like black fur until the reveal happens. What if him assuming a form resembling Asriel is actually a _retroactive adaptation_ to Kris' psychological need, or an attempt to appeal more sympathetic to Kris?

[@TheCrazyGhost72]

That is the most wild theory I have ever heard and I kinda like it if I'm being honest.

[@tarvoc746]

@@TheCrazyGhost72 Thanks! It becomes really apparent that something weird is going on when you really compare the sprites and character portraits from chapter 1 and chapter 2. They're not just recolors as you would expect. They're actually quite different in shape too.

[@EEEEEEE36364]

Yes! This theory is so interesting! I knew I wasn’t the only one who thought him going from this to that was kinda weird. He looked nothing like a goat before, more like a little shape-shifting blob. Although not very probable, it’s still a good theory! Something that might help the theory be proven might be his death sprites. He just…disappears. He dissolves. I have no idea why, but he just does that whenever he gets downed.

[@tarvoc746]

@@EEEEEEE36364 With a little bit of imagination, you could see his original appearance as either sheep-like (resulting in me calling him a "black sheep" in an essay I wrote in 2018), or maybe even dog-like. But I agree, it's definitely far less clear in shape than his later goat shape, it definitely doesn't look like a goat, and it also definitely doesn't resemble his later shape.

[@meriewanderer]

That's an interesting spin omg

[@Marrianno]

Kris and Noelles ship feels like a heavy subversive take on romance games. Sometimes in order to get with character you outright forse them to like you. And. . .yeah, neither Kris nor Nielle enjoy this, plus there's heavy manipulations and negative character arcs involved

[@LaCabraAsada]

Toxic and manipulative. 10/10 would recommend. (only in snowgrave though)

[@XxEmpty_EscapexX693]

So like you and me and her (visual novel doki doki style game)

[@partygamingz3332]

@@LaCabraAsada finally someone gets it (and my terrible taste but i thought it was neat when i played snowgrave)

[@danieleristavi2491]

Maybe it just a joke or something

[@darkmatter9651]

that's actually a really good take. I didn't think of it before

[@КрутоусОстап]

I love King and Queen dynamic, but even if Queen says that she is Lancer's "mother", and if their dialogue sounds UNCANNYLY like a common domestic interaction (at least my parents talk like this, LOL), I think that they're just very good friends, "angry pensive guy and extra positive idiot have fun together" kind if thing. And don't forget that we still have never seen Queen Spades, who can be literally anything or even not be at all, we just need to wait and see.

[@charcoaleater343]

Both could be possible, and Queen calling herself Lancer's mother is obviously about her being his adopted mother, she literally said she decided it RIGHT NOW, meaning that this part doesn't prove anything. I personally lean MUCH more into the idea they are exes, but it also could be platonic.

[@КрутоусОстап]

@@charcoaleater343 I mean, she MIGHT be his real mom, but there should be a printer somwhe- Wait a minute... How darkners do even reproduce? It seems that they can fall in love with eachother, so it wouldn't make sense if they were just made somewhere like real objects.

[@charcoaleater343]

@@КрутоусОстап no, she said that she decided that she's his mother RIGHT DURING the cutscene with King. IF Lancer even has a mother, that would probably be the Queen of Spades.

[@КрутоусОстап]

@@charcoaleater343 I know it, I just wanted to point out, that the closest thing to be a "biological" mother for lancer is to connect her to printer, and to... well, print out a crappy paper jack of spades! But I don't believe that this actually happened

[@charcoaleater343]

@@КрутоусОстап that would probably be the printer in the card factory.

[@YouMayKnowMeAsNate]

I wouldn’t say Asgore in undertale was cowardly. I feel like that implies he had a lack of confidence in his fighting abilities. I think it’s more that he didn’t truly want to fight humans/humankind, he just felt pressure to do what he thought his kingdom needed

[@spookydood5500]

I definitely think it's a deeper discussion than the few seconds I spent talking about it in the video. I don't think he lacked confidence in his abilities, but instead was cowardly in the sense that he didn't take initiative and save his kingdom. It's made clear to us that he very well could have. He could have left the barrier, collected the rest of the souls, then freed his people. But he chose not to, he chose to sit back and just wait, which is seen as cowardly and the wrong move by Toriel and (IMO) the game itself.

[@stuff31]

​@@spookydood5500the thing with asgore is that at his heart he is a good man, but he's been forced by circumstance to do terrible things. By the time we meet him he's lost the will to fight and is actually suicidal. He's a coward in a way, but mostly out of shame. He doesn't want to perpetuate this cycle of killing, but he must or else his people will lose all hope. So he shies away, hoping he'll never have to kill another child, but knowing he inevitably will. The psychology of this poor goat dad is something that deserves a whole video really.

[@fossfox]

@@spookydood5500 I feel like Toriel's assessment of that situation was pretty naive, sending your lone regent out into a figurative no man's land with no heir and no spouse to take their place if something goes wrong is a pretty good way to plunge a kingdom that's already struggling and disorganized into a chaotic depressed mess. Toriel herself kind of bailed the second something unpleasant happened and hid in the ruins, her laying into Asgore at the end of UT kind of felt like projecting on her part. Which isn't to say Asgore _wasn't_ cowardly at all, but he more or less made one bad choice from a selection of only bad choices

[@b.a.r.f1004]

@@spookydood5500 it would be true if he had like a neutra soul, he is clearly a person that if had a chance would just make everything peaceful, and back to your point it would be terrible, simple because if he exit for gather souls for free them he would probably start another war, and he definitly don't want that, so it would be better for he just wait and get the souls withouth the humans knowing for become a god and possible pacfy everyone.

[@КрутоусОстап]

I honestly think that he's just very unperseverant

[@Idkhelpidk]

fun fact: one of the other ship names for Kris x Berdly is Krispy Chicken

[@BossyBot]

That's amazing lmao

[@chasethemaster3440]

That’s just great lol

[@XpathTheChojiro]

We got Soulless Boy. And Frozen Chicken. Good God it's AMAZING

[@anthonynixon3706]

@@XpathTheChojiro soulless? Really? Ya sure?

[@Just.a.random.guy12429]

That’s the best name I’ve ever seen for shipping

[@spiritmacardi9300]

I can't help feeling bad for Ralsei. Poor guy's been alone for so long, doesn't get much in the way of respect from others, and he may have feelings for someone who at best doesn't feel the same way, and at worst is repulsed by the idea. ... Is the Soul and Ralsei a thing?

[@chongwillson972]

@Spirit Macardi even then people can interpret that ralsei is aware of the soul and is wary of it due to him not addressing it and talking to kris without the souls knowledge... i mean ralsei might have clover, eh?

[@JobiMorkos]

Ralsei is the one that is unique to the soul manipulation since in the tutorial, You basically have to know how to control the soul in the battle, How to use the commands, And you press the ACT and immediately press Hug Ralsei.

[@mrboerger1620]

​@@chongwillson972true people forget clover likes ralsei

[@MutedAndReported3032]

I feel the same way

[@JadeTheHobo]

X reader moment

[@Napkin_story]

I understand all the points of this video, but there is something you missed about the krusie ship about lt almost being in the realm of canon as during chapter 2 if Kris drinks the Susie tea it heals them to max health and Susie will commentating "stop looking at me like that" and Ralsei saying "they seem into it". At the end of chapter two saying that Kris should bring Susie to the fair is the only option to give unique dialogue

[@gamingcookiereal]

susie tea only heals kris 120 but it heals noelle 400 so i dont think the tea at least implies anything

[@minestar2247]

​@@gamingcookiereal it implies that they're more friends with susie than ralsei

[@gamingcookiereal]

@@minestar2247 well yeah i meant like i don't think it implies any romance lol

[@minestar2247]

@@gamingcookiereal you're right

[@Anna125]

​@@gamingcookiereal Noelle's tea heals Susie 120 HP, so you could say Suselle isn't canon as well and Susie only sees Noelle as a friend. I think 120 HP could mean very strong friendship or the start of an unconscious crush

[@jargalo0098]

I think Asgore and Rudy is fun. And with a... weird amount of stuff in the realm of canon, tbh.

[@spookydood5500]

Very true. That alarm clock dialogue certainly points towards SOMETHING there.

[@jargalo0098]

@@spookydood5500 not to mention rudy calling him a fruit in game lmao

[@coffee-ouji]

@@jargalo0098 "HAHAHAHA What does he think this is? Beauty and the Beast? We're both beasts!" is such a funny line to me

[@coffee-ouji]

i have the feel that Rdy and Asgore play as those "tis' definitely NOT a ship" y'know, like how there was a lotta homophobia a few years back so they ends up being "really close, like, sharing matching rings and living together and being single- kind of close"

[@matthewroyer1561]

@@coffee-ouji bleh asgore and toriel are still together!

[@TomBoyArtistQueen]

I think Susie x Noelle might just be a crush that stays a crush situation and would be definitely realistic as many people in Middle-highschool have had crushes that just stayed crushes and grew out of it.

[@NeyamRye]

Yea true

[@solaris3251]

Yeah

[@shaianna.1222]

Toby might just like the "awkward strong girl with the awkward nerdy girl" trope. Alphys and Undyne in Undertale also fit that trope. If undertale had that romance as part of the story I see no reason why deltarune can't have room for romance in the story somewhere. It would feel pretty unsatisfying for the game to hint at them liking each other and have it go nowhere, that's just bad writing

[@PossiblyAkid]

​@@shaianna.1222 idk it seems one sided

[@Amos...]

@@PossiblyAkid the ending of chapter 2 makes me think that it is two sided, but susie was just to oblivious to notice until significantly into chapter 2

[@thetaaaa]

Honestly? I agree with the points you make, for the most part. But, as with many things in fandom, this is a place where you need to be able to make a distinction between "I don't like it" and "it's morally wrong to like it"

[@NeyamRye]

Yea...

[@nachosanchez3623]

The word is "misinterpretation"

[@thetaaaa]

@@nachosanchez3623 Please elaborate

[@nachosanchez3623]

@@thetaaaa The problem with some ships is not that "they aren't morally correct", this is fiction after all, the problem with some ships is that they drive some shippers to actual misinterpretation of the literal text in whcih they are building their fanfic upon. For example, shipping Sans and Papyrus as a healthy longterm couple wouldn't be "immoral", but it would be hella weird in the context of them being obviously 2 brothers, one of whom is extremely childish and is low-key being emotionally taken care by the other, who is wiser and more cynical. So, if you were to defend your personal "ship" over the "mainstream character interpretations" (which would happen to be better supported by the text too) it would inevitably drive you to constant character misinterpretation, and it could be detrimental to your ability to discuss the topic with others. Textual misinterpretation is the main problem to avoid when building head-canon over popular fiction, not "immorality"

[@averagegenzguy2751]

@@nachosanchez3623 I mean that is one reason

[@TordBot69]

spamvil is mostly a joke, prob my favourite meme is jevil saying "HE TOOK MY LEITMOTIF IN THE DIVORCE!" asgorudy is also mostly memes, my favourite probably being noelle saying "hey kris why do our dads call eachother babygir-" then kris cutting her off with *"LETS TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE"* also krerdly are mainly memes

[@BlazeStar00]

Regarding Kris x Ralsei, I think there's something we haven't considered. In the chances that the theory of "Ralsei knows Kris is being controlled", it's very possible that all the advances we make Kris do on Ralsei, he knows it's the player doing it. Just pretending that it's Kris doing all that for the sake of keeping the secret from the player. If true, could it be that Toby is going to have Ralsei confront the soul in the future, and give a mention to all the times we the player have been nice, if not loving (or rude) to him? At this point, I could see Player x Ralsei being the actual ship planned by Toby. It would definitely fix the issues that Kris x Ralsei had, even work from the weirdness of it and smoothly transition to that twist. What are your thoughts?

[@cjleehaze]

I dont know I just got to this fandom and I hope to god they continue the Ralsei and Kris

[@JobiMorkos]

@@cjleehaze Yeah, ngl I immediately just got into shipping territory (Which is Shipping both characters) when the Acid Tunnel part comes around.

[@lets-all-love-lain]

Ahahaha chapter 7 ends with a doki doki literature club style "Just Ralsei" scene 🤣 love it

[@LaCabraAsada]

Wouldn't that make us furries?

[@shadowcatgamer2521]

Deltarune is, actually, just an elaborate dating sim with Ralsei in particular.

[@kumoraifox6357]

So basically, Asgore isn't allowed to love anyone else because his entire character is based around how he can't be with Toriel. Isn't that a bit hypocritical since you said Kris can't be with Noelle because it makes Noelle more misrable? Why can't Asgore be happy or find a relationship that helps him heal with his past trauma?

[@Ghost-ul8eu]

I hope he can find someone in Delta rune or get back with toriel we need a side quest for asgore to help him fuck sans x toriel.

[@gaminglulunightmare6092]

I fully agree with this and I hate how people mention about Asgore being a coward (while yes he is) but don't talk about the multiple problems that can happen if Asgore did leave the barrier to get more souls AND hardly anyone talks about Toriel's hypocritical ways and her lack of acting as a queen for her people either. Also her lack of even an ounce of concern for her grieving ex husband. She wasn't the only one who lost two sons! Okay sorry I got a little side tracked cus i absolutely love Asgore now especially when I realized the complicated problems with collecting the SOULs and other stuff. Toriel is on my shit list now though. 😂😅

[@kumoraifox6357]

@@gaminglulunightmare6092 I agree, and that's the sole reason why I hate how fans depict Toriel as a saint. She doesn't care if monsterkind dies, and she could care less if we kill everyone, just as long as she gets to push her delusions of being a kind and caring mother, she could care less if other people get hurt along the way.

[@nixza3754]

​​@@gaminglulunightmare6092 The main problem here is the fandom's obcession with "Who did the right choice" when if we think about what happen, both, Asgore an Toriel did choices center in themselves, Asgore was a coward? In a way yes, for doesnt stand for his choice and extended the suffer of their kindom, But Tori also was irresponsable, leaving all her people because "she need to protect humanity" a good cause but in the end, she haven't sucess in that as Asgore, she do nothing for their freedom. Speaking of their relationship, I dont think and want to be together again like a romance for their own good. P.D. I apologize if my language it's no good, english isn't my native language.

[@gaminglulunightmare6092]

@@nixza3754 no no you were perfectly fine in my opinion, I understood very well and where you are coming from. I hear what you're saying as far as the fandom's problem with the right choices or who is on the right side of the moral spectrum. I also do understand that Asgore and Toriel shouldn't be together again either, I feel that way too to some varying degrees because of their vast difference in moral thinking. Something I don't understand is why the fandom ships Toriel and Sans so much when they can have the same problem too. Look at sans he could of killed humans countless of times and he most likely has by the way he talked to Frisk throughout the journey and the only reason why he didn't kill frisk on sight was because Toriel asked him to protect humans. How is Sans good for Tori besides their love of cringe knock knock jokes and jokes in general? I'm starting to not even see any more chemistry besides that now that I lay it out on the table. Idk it just seems like there's a lot of bias when it comes to the fandom and their ships.

[@charlesvattimo4674]

I kinda like it in a humorous way how there is some canonical weight to Susie being shipped with every lightner her age she has interacted with. In Deltarune, it is obvious that WD Gaster is assembling a garage band of Tumblr sexymen, and Susie is assembling a harem whom she really wishes everyone wasn’t involved in (except for one character of your choice, of course).

[@larsthememelord3383]

gaster is starting the sexyman squad thats his entire scheme to gather a large amount of tumblt sexyman in a single room

[@Tulip_bip]

i always liked sans and toriel as a relationship because of how unspoken it is. neither of them explicitly say anything about it, they just clearly enjoy eachother's company and i think it's really cute. like how sans decides to live in the ruins with toriel in some of the neutral endings

[@bruhandthemoments7445]

HE DOES??? Brb gonna go cry that's so sweet

[@CronglesYT]

Im pretty sure one time in deltarune sans made a comment about sleeping with toriel lol

[@ravenb3048]

I like the idea about Ralsei being what Kris might want to be of feel like they need to be. Kris fits the commander character archetype, which is generally ignored but it's arguably a support role that lets you command the rest of the team. Ralsei fits the role of a healer (and Susie is both tank and DPS); the healer is always the class everyone wants on the team but also the least fun to play most of the time.

[@cjleehaze]

Aint that the truth

[@TheAdvertisement]

This video seems to argue about what's canon and like sure but... ships don't need to be canon? A lot about shipping is interpreting and even altering canon because you think it'd be cute to explore if two characters were together. One shouldn't really have to care about what's canon, and at the end of the day most any ship, even canon pairings, won't be explored to your heart's content in canon media.

[@starmaker75]

Yeah this video comes across a bit too anal. As long they know is just some Au relationship ad being not toxic, who cares?

[@t-eehee7057]

Yeah, he said that multiple times. He just gives and takes points into what has more possibility to be canon. You're just adding nothing to this

[@TheAdvertisement]

@@t-eehee7057 I skimmed the video mostly so I may have missed that but that still heavily goes against the title and the start of the video. Ok, some ships are more likely, no need to call the others "bad" or the "dark side"

[@SoranMBane]

Potentially even more uncomfortable than Ralsei's resemblance to Asriel is the strong possibility that Ralsei is that headband with the little red horns that Kris used to wear. If that's the case, then Ralsei would essentially be the living manifestation of Kris' own identity crisis and feelings of isolation. The player forcing Kris to act so love-dovey toward someone who represents something to personal and painful just seems kinda cruel the more that I think about it. Kris needs to be allowed to come to terms with Ralsei and what he likely represents on their own terms; we can't just force Kris to get over their problems with a button press.

[@velvet_echo]

Ralsei being some kind of manifestation of Kris would make sense, because it hasn't been explained how Ralsei went from one Dark World to another in Ch 2. If he was innately connected to Kris, it would make sense that he could pop up anywhere Kris is. He may be some kind of Past Self

[@VcSaJen]

...But what about player's feelings? Player was forced into this position, and needs hugs, too.

[@0rchidMourner]

@@VcSaJen Uh, what? I’m sorry, but that makes no sense at all. No, they weren’t. It’s completely your choice to play the game or not; unless Toby Fox has locked you up in a dungeon and demanded you play his game at knifepoint you aren’t being forced into this position at all. Plus, the amount of comfort I’d theoretically be getting from making Kris act affectionately towards Ralsei through a screen as opposed to the substantial discomfort they’d be feeling doing this directly is pretty minimal. Luckily for everyone who plays the game, the characters aren’t real people, so their feelings don’t matter and you may treat them however you’d like to. I know I personally find the narrative of Kris having to interact with Ralsei in this way really dark and fascinating, at the very least, and will definitely keep some save files where I make those uncomfortable choices to see how this narrative plays out in the long run.

[@VcSaJen]

@@0rchidMourner Games are meant to be played, there's no way Toby created the game where not playing it is "the best" option. If you stop playing, Kris likely would either drop dead (like Spamton) or continue to be controlled by the red soul, but without the player (like when we skip Chapter 1).

[@0rchidMourner]

@@VcSaJen I didn’t say otherwise. I’m saying that you, as the player, aren’t being *forced* to play the game. Even if narratively Kris is controlled no matter what and is stuck in that position, you, as the player, have the option to just… not play if it’s upsetting enough for you to want Ralsei hugs for comfort. My point is that it’s completely your choice and that you aren’t being forced into anything. That being said, it’s also completely morally neutral to hug Ralsei, even if diegetically it’s kinda weird, at the very least, for Kris, since they ultimately aren’t real people and the options are there for people to experience in the first place. I was really confused about you stating that this is something _you’re_ *forced* into, that’s all. The stuff about how the red soul functions is also purely speculation, since skipping chapter 1 could very easily just be a game mechanic, may lend that control off to another player, may give it to another character, etc. and we wouldn’t be aware of it. It isn’t a fact that we know for certain the red soul controls Kris on its own, and if it did that would just dispute the argument that this is something you’re being forced into even more, since under that arrangement Kris wouldn’t even need the player narratively, just the soul. Unless you’re claiming that the player is a character in itself that we play as, which is a whole other can of worms that I’d rather not open. Also, we can’t tell yet if not playing is “the best” option, and I never said it was. It makes Kris really uncomfortable to be controlled, obviously, but they’re stuck in that position no matter what an individual person playing the game does. Plus, besides the Snowgrave route, they very much seem to enjoy the adventures they go on, so maybe the trade off is worth it to them to some degree. We also don’t know how the story will play out and how our relationship to Kris will change over time. Regardless, you can still play the game without hugging Ralsei. And whether you choose to do that or not is up to you, not something you’re forced into, as is playing the game itself.

[@JezElectro13]

Any ship with Sans is impossible because Toby confirmed Sans is too lazy to be a relationship.

[@TheOmegaJello]

HAHAHA!

[@beannhead]

I like the “death of the author” analogy you brought up, rlly puts into perspective that theories about the game are only just theories until the next few chapters come out. Although I still have have a different perspective on some things you’ve shared. I disagree with the notion that it’s impossible to have Kris have a relationship due to it being moreso through the player. The whole premise of the Spamton questline is to emphasize the want of freedom, and how the player can’t see what [hyperlink blocked] is, seems to be (from clues of that quest’s conclusion) that Kris was vying for a release of being a puppet to the soul. It explains Kris’ condition post the Spamton fight, yielding no fruit from the situation, and instead seeing a potential outcome of what’s to come if they keep going down that path. Kris is already established as their own character (outside of player control), and I think a lot of their motivation to actively seek a way to free themselves is centered around Susie. A lot of Kris’ actions where they move outside of player’s control could be plausibly implied for Susie… (aside from the end of chapter 1 lol which turned out to be rlly anticlimactic) 1) Shielding attack from King 2) Sitting next to Susie at the end of ch.2 after Susie remarks that “it’s not like someone has to tell you to sit” which is something that goes under the radar imo 3) and obviously the bringing of the fountain, Kris arranging it so that Susie is there (and perhaps gaining motivation to do it in the first place as they ominously stands next to her before opening it?) Outside of those specific ‘actions’, there’s also post-Spamton interaction how Susie is the only one who confronts Kris about their feelings, and able to successfully cheer them up (and/or Kris asking for her jacket or a hug lol). There’s also this whole joking about apples, which is weird cuz Susie once used that as way to threaten Kris, but now is more of an inside joke between the two (Kris asking if Susie drank their shampoo). I appreciate if you’ve read this far, but I also wanna imply I’m not arguing that there’s for sure gonna be an established romanticized relationship for Kris n Susie by the end. I think at most, there’s still a strong possibility for a Zelda Spirit Tracks ending (where a young Link and Zelda walk away together after beating the big baddy, showcasing their closeness by holding hands). I personally think their dynamic could head in that direction due to their already-existing connection: being a sort of “outcasts” in hometown’s view, dark world adventures being “THEIR thing” from Susie’s own words, and of course adventures/hardships that’ll take place in the future. As far as Noelle goes, (don’t wanna make this too long lol) I think the notion of her “being alone” if Susie weren’t to reciprocate the romantic feelings back at her isn’t rlly plausible. Noelle isn’t the lonely outcast like Kris and Susie are (at least pre-darkworld). Her mom is hard on her, and I think the darkworld allows her to not just connect with hometown friends, but more importantly give her the ability to stand up to a towering figure (Queen and her mother being similar in this sense). At the end of the day, it’s all Toby’s vision, but all the theories and such are in good fun until the rest of the story comes forth. :-)

[@beannhead]

As far as what Susie herself wants most tho realistically speaking, she seems just happy with all the people she’s befriending like Lancer, Ralsei, Noelle, etc. On one hand, I think she’s interested in the idea of creating a bond with Noelle after their time spent on the ferris wheel. I just don’t buy it as a confirmed canon conclusion because there’s nothing suggesting that Susie is into Noelle the same way, and is still oblivious to the implications of a crushing affair, even after the ferris wheel. Not saying it’s impossible, she obviously sees Noelle as a nice girl and cares for her safety, just not enough evidence for me to set anything in stone. I think the festival Susie brings up at the end of ch.2 seems like a ‘good ending’ scenario which fits in line with Toby’s idea of Deltarune being centered around making friends. Susie tells Kris only that obviously she’ll be there if Kris were to go. I think this is the true deciding component for me, not in the sense that “Krusie will prevail over Suselle hahahaha” but at the center of Deltarune, is Kris and Susie’s friendship. The two who began this adventure, also coincidentally the two outcasts of hometown. Essentially, the developmental aspect of said-friendships is more important than a potential shipping conclusion.

[@beannhead]

After giving it more thought tho, the point about the player forcing a relationship onto Kris makes sense when it comes to characters like Noelle (snowgrave) or Ralsei for example. A growing friendship with Susie is something that Kris themselves, is very much looking forward to on the other hand, that’s a confirmed sign.

[@therealgookie]

There is a large difference between kralsei and krusie, that being, most of the moments between kris and ralsei, are purely the players choice to do, without kris actually wanting that. From the other hand, between kris and susie, most of the times, kris says or does things purely out of their own will, and feel good doing it. That's why i think in the terms of actually being a good relationship that both sides enjoy, krusie would definatly be the better ship, since it's not forced by us, the players in any way.

[@chongwillson972]

@AmPro though that basically does throw out BOTH of ralsei's ships, leaving the question who will hey be shipped with then?

[@therealgookie]

@@chongwillson972 ralsei staying single 😔

[@Claire_Gotham]

@@chongwillson972 maybe the player detached from kris?

[@chongwillson972]

@@Claire_Gotham "Oh yeah, ralsei is dating that thing that possessed kris, yeah its... pretty weird."

[@Claire_Gotham]

@@chongwillson972 Yes, it is very weird, but maybe the soul can end up in the vessel at some point?

[@wolfkitty42]

Queenkaard is my favorite Deltarune ship. The vibes are just simply... Immaculate. Impeccable, even. Babygirl x Girlboss struggling to raise their new son while also trying to take over Castle Town for like, world domination or something. Anyways Queenkaard is adorable and I wish I saw more content for it!

[@demetriam2408]

Idk personally I see them in a domestic custody relationship, I love Queen she's a total baddie but Rouxls needs someone better, someone like Mettaton but not Mettaton.

[@Spooky_is_quite_silly]

I wouldn’t say either interpretation of Kris and Ralsei’s relationship is “correct”. Really, both interpretations, romantic or platonic, have evidence to support. I personally am bias towards the interpretation that Kris and Ralsei do have some type of chemistry happening, but that’s just because Ralsei is one of my favourite characters of any game 😅

[@Gusthebusisreal]

Eh, I kinda disagree with kris only. We control kris actions so we don’t really know what kris thinks. The only other evidence is the tea theory, and only gives kris around 60 HP. So in my opinion, Chris doesn’t really have any underlying feelings for him. They might, but it’s too hard to tail so soon.

[@LaCabraAsada]

I personally find it hilarious that we force Kris to flirt with some guy who is basically the recolour of their own brother, but other than that, I can't really say I believe anything will happen. The boat scene was definetly intentional, but seems very meme-y/bait-y for me to say it will ever become cannon. And if it does, it's definetly one-sided.

[@chongwillson972]

@@LaCabraAsada i mean its alot less one sided than susie x noelle

[@LaCabraAsada]

@@chongwillson972 Oh, lol.

[@thatoneundertalefanatic]

​@@chongwillson972 i mean... Both are one sided,but there's literally NO hint of Kris liking ralsei romantically

[@ExistingKirb]

I couldn’t care less about shipping but I *do* think that Spamton and Jevil should make out passionately, that would be awesome.

[@ExistingKirb]

(I should note that I don’t care about shipping, as long as it’s not really weird or illegal I couldn’t care less about who you pair up.)

[@ART1984able]

Just a comment I'd like to make about Krusie. I know you say that you wouldn't place it in canon but the game specifically tells us that not in words but through Kris' actions that they only want to be around or care about Susie. Chapter 1, Kris races to shield Susie when earlier in the day she threatened to eat their face off. Chapter 2, the only one who can make Kris smile is Susie. There's a scene where Susie outright flirts with Kris(in her own goofy way). It may not be OUT THERE like Suselle but Krusie I would say is at least partially canon in the fact that Kris genuinely only enjoys Susie's company in comparison to Ralsei or Noelle. TBH, after reading the story 'The new girl" from the Spamton Sweepstakes and seeing Noelle's POV on one of Kris and Susie's earliest interactions...it's clear to me that Kris is more annoyed than anything with Noelle's one-sided infatuation with Susie especially when she asks Kris where Susie is after they team up in Chapter 2 and gives her an annoyed look in response.

[@Barakon]

Ah shit, a love triangle…great…

[@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizard]

​@@Barakon or a poly :)

[@Barakon]

@@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizard I don’t think Kris & Noelle would agree to one though that would solve the problem.

[@amiano59e4]

@@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizard a poly pridge perhaps?

[@amiano59e4]

@Righteous 2k a poly bridge

[@leviathanseas]

i see asgorudy as more of a, they were dating in college but remained friends into adulthood type thing

[@gjk-arts5855]

cool! I'm gonna steal this headcanon :D

[@leviathanseas]

@@gjk-arts5855 the highest honor of having a head canon

[@xcenex479]

i’m gonna accept that headcanon now as well

[@wezumira]

I kinda saw them as friends who are making fun of bromances xD Like, they're really good friends but they like to joke with themselves and people around about romantic stuff

[@tellme...5905]

I think the reason why some people ship Ralsei is the same reason why some people ship Kriselle. Because it's uncomfortable, because they ARE aware of the Weird route, and Kris' uncomfortableness toward Ralsei and they want to push it further

[@sulliedhalcyon]

you're the only person who understands anything i think. most krilsei shippers i've seen don't really think about this and act as if it's just cute and wholesome but if i were to pair them together this would be why. you get it

[@darkmatter9651]

Well, I mean... yeah. Some people are fucked up like that. Or are the people whose shelves are filled with dark romance, I don't know. They're all a bit questionable to me, but hey, so long as you don't endorse it irl.

[@bugeater2763]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@sulliedhalcyoni know you said most people but as someone who ships ralsei and kris i kind of do both. i love ralsei with all my heart so i choose to ignore whats going on but i also acknowledge that something is definitely building up and its going to be weird. personally i feel a little uncomfortable shipping something that specifically makes me feel weird, i see the edge and angst in it but for you do you just think its interesting?

[@sulliedhalcyon]

@@bugeater2763 yeah pretty much. and also i don't blame you for wishing to feel joyous more than anything else from the pairing. strange dynamics are what make me personally feel joyous but i can absolutely respect your own grind. something about awareness idk. shrugs

[@bugeater2763]

@@sulliedhalcyon im sorry for the wall of text in advance you do not have to read this lol im basically ranting at this point but its a tough situation bc im still learning my own definition of shipping. i think its fun to explore these dynamics but theres also a crowd of people that genuinely want certain characters together specifically because theyre toxic. which again im still figuring out how i feel about that because it makes me uncomfortable.. for instance with noelle and kris i see the angst in shipping them, but what does that mean exactly? people actually drawing them romantically? actively creating art (fics included) for it? to me shipping has always been i want these characters together because i think theyd have a good and cute relationship. when i like to imagine a toxic ship i dont really ‘ship it’, i just think about it, draw some art and thats that. i guess thats where im trying to understand better because you said thats your specific thing. which i respect, i like to keep it wholesome with ralsei but theres no doubt something will go down that changes the dynamic completely. at that point i think id enjoy exploring its darker themes… you also said the word ‘pairing’ and i honestly think that is better for distinguishing glorifying vs curiosity.

[@drascia]

Just popping in to say I heard the Kris x Berdly ship as Krispy Chicken and everyone needs to hear it

[@lets-all-love-lain]

I lived through both the frans vs soriel AND the sanscest shipping wars, I remember being told to die because of it. The deltarune fandom is sooo much more chill than 2016 undertale (probably because most of us aren't 13 anymore...) I think this video is good! (even if watching it made my fight or flight response trigger every minute or so, but that's a me thing haha) I agree that we shouldn't let fanon dictate the cannon, but I don't think cannon can be used to dictate fanon either. Cannon and fanon are two things that can independent from each other. If the undertale fandom taught me anything it's that fans can take something and RUN WITH IT... (... Like an alternate-universe sans being ship with another AUsans and then their AUchild being shipped with another AUchild of another pair of AUsans'.... Sanscest will never cannon and that didn't matter) I've don't really care about ships being "cannon" because to me the fun of shipping and that side of fandom is completely separate from the original media. And as for some ships being "bad" I don't care. There's stuff that's absolutely off the table for me, but I never know what someone else's reasoning for it is so just "ship and let ship" Anyway sorry for the long comment, loved the editing btw!!

[@Quazex]

yeah. Every time I get ticked off by Deltarune shipping shit I cast my memory back to 2016 undertale fandom, and I think that it could be so much worse. I remember being sent very graphic death threats on amino for shipping some variation of interdimensional fontcest (I think it was like fell papyrus x swap sans or something) It is bit strange, and I don't ship it anymore (I don't really ship much of anything anymore unless its for the lols), but theres no need for death threats about it, and I was like 13-ish??? If I was a different 13-ish year old at that time who hadn't already been desensitized to that sort of thing, it would probably have made me very upset and likely abandon the undertale fandom completely. And I'm sure this stuff happens with Deltarune shipping too, but I'd like to say it's definitely less commonplace.

[@lets-all-love-lain]

@@Quazex I'm sorry you got sent shit like that. But I'm glad you're still able to enjoy ut/dr stuff, even though you lived through the dark times haha

[@CertifiedWeirdass]

This right here. I agree.

[@ShowWithNoName]

I never once thought the hugging and blushing was due to any romantic tension. Can't two characters just be friends?

[@Kyumifun]

Not on the internet

[@mariaalejandaramesahurtado9626]

Bro, the song of the acid tunnel its called acid tunnel of love idk \_(°-°)_/

[@Cool_Kid95]

EXACTLY! But the shippers will never understand friendship because they have no friends /j, but seriously, yes, you're right. And shippers always making EVERYTHING A SHIP drives me NUTS!

[@forkgodsdescendant2503]

@@ericonion3561 Something about Acid Tunnel of Love has a pervasive uncanniness to it. Just compare it to the song that plays in Susie’s ferris wheel ride, which feels much more genuine. I can’t see this as anything but a tell on how everything relating to romantic interest with Ralsei is completely one-sided.

[@pinxelated2799]

Same same same! I was honestly shocked to hear people interpret things differently. Not a big deal to me, but still.

[@squinttt]

Whilst unlikely I'd love if Kris did have romantic feelings for Susie, and granted this theme of Kris being suppressed remains true, as Kris is given more freedom as the story progresses you can choose to silence them when it comes to expressing his feelings for Susie and snuff out any chance of it. It'd be such a cruel position to put the player in and easily one that could come off as cheap unless done very well, but man what a moral dilemma to put between the three and you.

[@Gusthebusisreal]

Hey kris pronouns are they/them, so just a heads up.

[@squinttt]

​@@Gusthebusisreal Yeah I know they're supposed to be gender neutral, I use the wrong pronouns for every kind of person all the time lmao.

[@AshenDust_]

Why do you think that Spamton hating clowns means that he isn’t Jevil’s ex? I feel this helps the ship’s case, he would hate clowns because he broke up with one on bad terms. That being said, I absolutely don’t think this ship is canon, it’s just really funny.

[@lants420]

exactly! love or hate the ship, that gives more fodder to them being exes than anything else. (i personally don't want the ship to be canon either, but i ship it for fun and the memes lmao)

[@somethingwithbungalows]

@@lants420 same for me lol

[@matchabiscuits]

exactly, personally i don't think it's canon at all but just fun to think about

[@EEEEEEE36364]

I actually never thought of them as exes. When I first heard, I just felt so confused like “yo did I miss something????” But yeah, the ship is hilarious but definitely NOT supposed to be a real thing xd

[@professorcube5104]

i think the point of the ship is meant to be a joke

[@chuckisnthere]

the Cattie x Kris ship makes me think that people will just ship people if they show the SLIGHTEST bit of friendliness to eachother, like wtf..

[@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257]

Not even the "Slightest" you know? Even the two characters are hostile to eachother, Ship always exists

[@atticusbulan3508]

Not even a lack of interaction is enough to prevent people from shipping; I’ve seen ships between characters who don’t even interact nor have any connection in-canon

[@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257]

@@atticusbulan3508 Shipping is fun

[@atticusbulan3508]

@@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257 it sure is

[@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257]

@@atticusbulan3508 i don't ship lmao

[@Shxnon]

I think people’s main issue with Kralsei is that people are already jumping to conclusion that Ralsei = Asriel, other than Ralsei blushing over our actions through Kris, him straight up saying “are you proposing?” when you give him the snow ring and the song “Acid tunnel of Love” playing on a scene were Kris and Ralsei are alone together are definitely trying to hint towards something, or at the very least a one-sided thing. Of course it’s gonna leave a bad taste in a lot of people’s mouths if you’re in the mindset that Ralsei is Asriel

[@Gusthebusisreal]

But him being asreil is heavily implied with the aninagram. It’s kind of like how Undertale and Deltarune are simpler, but different. Toby Fox within just randomly make an anagram of these two characters who are both goats.

[@chongwillson972]

@@Gusthebusisreal wouldnt that means he is like asirel ,but IS different?

[@Shxnon]

@@Gusthebusisreal the difference is that the game has already made the distinction of Asriel and Ralsei being different people, all deltarune characters are identical to their undertale counterparts, Asgore is Asgore, Toriel is Toriel, etc. and we already have deltarune’s Asriel. He’s different from Undertale but that doesn’t stop him from being Asriel, and Ralsei although similar, can’t be him. Just because they’re goats that doesn’t mean they’re the same, by that logic, Ralsei being the goat character that serves as a Tutorial guide and encourages mercy and kindness would mean he’s Toriel, because Toriel is also the goat character that serves as a Tutorial guide and encourages mercy and kindness

[@Gusthebusisreal]

@@Shxnon thats totally not true at all, with the exception of sans. Deltrune and undertale are not exacly the same, the kinda related, but totaly not the same. take Alphys for example, the undertale she is traumatized and a royal scientist, and likes chapter 1 of kitty mew mew and hates chapter 2. in deltrune, she is a school teacher, not traumatized (I hope) and loves chapter 2, even more than 1. there simler, but diffrent, Just like how ralsie and the dreamer family is..

[@Shxnon]

@@Gusthebusisreal I know they’re not a 1 to 1 replica to one another, but the characters although different are still the “same” just because they have different designs and life experiences doesn’t erase the fact that Toriel from deltarune is like Toriel from undertale for example. In both Undertale and Deltarune, there’s already an Asriel Dreemur, whether it’s a child that died at a young age or a college student young adult. If there’s already an Asriel in deltarune, then Ralsei can’t be Asriel, not to mention Ralsei is a darkner

[@BetterDayz55]

Y'know what I could see as a majorly concerning implication towards ships, and could even come as soon as Chapter 3? Picture it: our main protagonists are all on some sort of weird reality dating show, and Kris is put in the spotlight of having to "choose who to go home with." This choice could be between any number of characters, but for sake of this example, we'll say they're forced to choose between Noelle, Susie, Ralsei, and Berdly. Keeping in mind that this is a heavily emotional, TV broadcasted moment, possibly with a narrator amplifying the idea of "This decision is entirely within their hands" and "who knows what they'll choose?" Only to have US, not Kris, make the decision, feels like the PERFECT way to take this concept of various possible ships and have a universal "nope" moment from Kris, causing them to freak out over our decision and RIP our soul out in front of EVERYONE, live TV audience included. This would not only spark loads of possibilities in the narrative (like Sans seeing a "Kris-like individual on TV) but would also derive a message NOT of "this ship is weird, don't do that" and moreso of the concept of "you shouldn't manipulate a character into a situation they aren't comfortable with", having Kris rip out our soul REGARDLESS of who we choose to ship them with. This is of course just a theory, but ultimately feels like the PERFECT way to take the whole "shipping characters with Kris" narrative in a way that sucker-punches the players, old and new, not for liking a SPECIFIC ship, but for forcing Kris into one in the first place. If you read this whole comment, thank you for coming to my TED Talk, I applaud you, and I hope you have a great day!

[@gopherthegold8722]

I want a scene like this so bad

[@yanfeimainliv]

exactly this sounds great frfr

[@doom64hunter]

Another really good video, especially in touching on the various ways the game allows the player to nudge Kris towards romance options they might not even want, and how creepy that is. I do think though that "Kris X Susie" will be one of the options the player can actively choose, along with "Kris X Noelle" and "Kris X Ralsei". The interesting thing about it is that, while it is what Kris might want (at least, according to their reactions ingame), it's definitely NOT what Noelle wants. So by making that choice, the player would inevitably create a love triangle conflict. You can't simultaneously make all parties happy in this situation, which comes back around to the feeling that the Susie X Noelle ship is too perfect. In fact, I think a love triangle might also lead into what might make Noelle an antagonist. Additional sidenotes: * The uncomfortable, forced romance between Kris and Noelle is also reflected in Spamton's lines at the end of the route: - "NO, I GET IT! IT'S YOU AND THAT [Hochi Mama]!" - "YOU'VE BEEN [Making], HAVEN'T YOU!" - "YOU'VE BEEN MAKING [Hyperlink Blocked]!" * I feel like Sans x Toriel might be one of the outcomes of the Chapter 3 weird route -- the other outcome being Asgore x Toriel (i.e. they get back together), or vice-versa. * Asgore x Rudy is odd. It feels more like it's played as a joke, but it's hinted at in Deltarune as well with the Beauty and the Beast roses.

[@lesyeuxdelisa6556]

I think that line was about the snowgrave and killing things

[@Peppermynt.]

there are some signs krusie might be sorta canon but idk

[@NickCTorres]

lowkey i would love to be able to take apart SusiexNoelle on future chapters Watching Noelle¡s actions and dialogues through the whole part made me think that her crush on Susie reaches unhealthy levels, sor a few reasons

[@wontonschannel]

asgore and rudy are just two extremely close friends. 2 men can have a friendship without being gay.

[@corrupt5465]

I think that Ralsei and Kris are meant to be just friends. It's normal for friends to hug each other and feel really close, the same goes for siblings, doesn't have to be romantical at all.

[@SmilerStyler]

It’s weird he starts blushing when you get too close though.

[@corrupt5465]

@@SmilerStyler That's true but he literally blushes all the time

[@gaminganimators7000]

​@@SmilerStyleryou'd get flustered too if someone you consider a friend get right in your face

[@SmilerStyler]

@@gaminganimators7000 good point just something that stood out to me

[@PeaBrain87]

I was not at all aware that the hugging ralsei options were supposed to be seen as romantic I just wanted to give him a hug😭😭😭

[@tellme...5905]

It doesn't need to be romantic, the main point is that the players innocently want to hug ralsei through kris not knowing that kris felt uncomfortable with ralsei

[@aghitsaplane4262]

I think what the game is going for when it hints to ralsei x Kris is actually ralsei x player,all of the actions that trigger a response that hints to attraction of some kind are done by the player,ralsei might just simply not know or realise that kris and the player are two different entitles. unlike Noelle and Susie (who Kris definitely sees as close friends) they treat ralsei completely neutrally and sometimes even negatively,there's practically nothing in terms of Kris x ralsei from Kris's POV. something interesting could be done with this,with ralsei's true loyalty/friendship being to the player and not Kris.

[@bradoreman2510]

You're wrong, Toby Fox said in part of the Famitsu Column that he wanted to make a dating sim where you date a hotdog girl and this is an *obvious* reference to the fact that Spamton will team up with Mike and take our soul which means we control him and will end up dating Jevil's hotdog husband and sans will be our ketchup kid.

[@bradoreman2510]

this is probably the most unhinged comment I've ever left

[@bradoreman2510]

@Doug. shhhhhhh...

[@lilyawoodburn]

Wonderful analysis throughout the video! It's very bold to both express a positive view of Sans = Ness _and_ criticize shipping war culture in one video, but more people need to be this bold in the fandom tbh

[@virtualashez]

as someone who's never played undertale, i did in fact say, "oh look, ralsei is a goat" when seeing him

[@yoshitheipadkid]

Same

[@fullofflaws1804]

sometimes I forget that people want ships to be canon and not just be satisfied with playing with the characters like dolls like the rest of us. it kind of makes other people view most of us shippers as you've described. usually, we just like making fanfiction or art and story lines; just another way of telling a story

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

I think Toby had the idea for "Ralse" from the variable name "False" and added a little curve to the F to make Ralse. From there, he messed around with anagrams to realise adding an I could make an anagram that is a homophone for Azrael, the Angel of Death. Which figures into Deltarune's plot. Hence naming him Asriel. From that, he got the names Toriel (also pun on tutorial) and Asgore. Deltarune was shelved for Undertale, but it was still being crafted in the background.

[@caguay]

I've always been intrigued by the idea of tracing back the anagrams to their actual origin. Not only that, but we also have Asriel Dreemurr being an anagram for Serial Murderer. Toby definitely had a lot of fun with this gimmick

[@Summer_turtle_]

I’m shocked you didn’t mention Ralsusie

[@spookydood5500]

I wanted to, but I didn't really have anything interesting to say. It's cute, but the same rules apply for Krusie. It'd be odd for Toby to flat out deny Noelle, and I don't think we know enough about Ralsei to fully judge what kind of relationship he'll end up in.

[@touchgrass7129]

T H A T F U C K I N G E X I S T S ?

[@doom64hunter]

@@spookydood5500 It would be odd, but isn't that what we've come to expect with Toby's games? Especially with how "Kris x Noelle" and "Kris x Ralsei" are choices the player can make? The more I think about it, the more I feel like chapter 2 is foreshadowing a love triangle, where Kris X Susie actually becomes a thing, and Noelle is absolutely livid about it. Berdly having a crush on Susie is played for laughs, but remember how Noelle reacts when he tells her about it? She immediately starts strangling him. She's shown to be an extremely obsessive and jealous personality, who won't let anyone come between her and Susie. She's definitely not one for open relationships, that's for sure. I think this has real potential to become a big driver for conflict in later chapters.

[@t-eehee7057]

@@doom64hunter Or it was just a gag. Just like how any moment between them is one.

[@deimoss778]

wow, i was looking for this comment, even if it's a joke Ralsusie or Susei makes sense to me

[@mistycomet9760]

There are two things I'm not comfortable with about Asgoriel. Asgore is giving his child flowers to give to their mother on his behalf. This is not something that's healthy for anyone involved, but especially not Kris. Along with that, Toriel has made it clear that while she will be polite to Asgore she does not want him in her life. The fact that Asgore can't respect that is downright creepy. I love both characters though and thats just my opinion have a nice day day :)

[@mysticalaces8623]

I honestly feel like it’d be better if they were to not get back together but instead learn to move on. Asgore sorta seems kinda clingy in DR and so it would be better character development if he were to learn to move on and do better for himself independently.

[@mistycomet9760]

@@mysticalaces8623 Exactly.

[@matthewroyer1561]

Bro stop trying to shove facts in our face we don’t care

[@matthewroyer1561]

@@mysticalaces8623 shut up

[@nachosanchez3623]

He wants doesn't want kris to tell toriel they come from him. He wants kris to pretend they came up with a nice gesture with their mother, and doesn't worry about toriel suspecting the obvious origin of the idea. Still an obviously big mistake, but less malicious imho, asgore is a bit of a foolish himbo

[@cars0mega]

"Mr. Fox you've gotta tell if Ralsei is my brother" -Kris

[@qlx-i]

...and, besides the creeping feeling that deltarune will get much darker at some point, there's nothing that would stop suselle from being real. * breathes * *_LET'S MOVE ON TO SPAMVIL_* this line had me dying

[@spookydood5500]

Whoops! Looks like the video released a few minutes earlier than it should have! That's on me, folks. Anyways, if there was any audio troubles it should be sorted out now. Thanks for watching! Of course, I'd like to reiterate, I have no issue with whatever you ship, I don't ACTUALLY think Spamvil or Kralsei shippers are bad. Fictional romances are silly and fun, and I'd never actually get upset at someone for liking a different one than me. What's YOUR favorite Deltarune ship? Also I wonder how many people realized I didn't even bother mentioning Tea Theory LMAO

[@gonerdenji]

Nerdly x berdly

[@theothernik]

Nubert x My Man

[@Mad_Ancient_Computer_700AD]

Unironically Susie x Kris goes hard. I guess the one I'd like to see the most of ingame is Noelle x Susie because I feel like it works really well from what we've seen so far.

[@touchgrass7129]

i dont want it to be canon at all but berdly x kris is fucking hilarious from the comics i've read

[@Mad_Ancient_Computer_700AD]

@@touchgrass7129 I agree wholeheartedly

[@alficiro3238]

10:27 why so hung up on whether it'll be canon in-game? lots of fanfic and AUs involve Kris ripping out the soul so they can act free from it's control.

[@juzox5161]

Personally I like the Frisk x Chara content but where's the player x Gaster, literally perfect for each other, A being that transcended and was scattered across space and time; And a being that is able to form of a soul and control the human protagonist, able to save and load and have a whole life outside the world these characters grew up in. Both highly powerful beings, perfect for each other, but I have not seen anyone agree ;-;. Or even mention it. Gaster actively tries to get us the players attention, wants us to play and experience a world he is clearly fond of, truly romantic that he has prepared us to endeavor the journey he made just for us. Gaster is truly the romantic genius. Player x Gaster needs to be recognized!!! ❤ x 🤍

[@lewlshayshay]

Omg yassss

[@somethingwithbungalows]

You’ve got me convinced my dude now I’m sad there’s next to nothing for Player X Gaster ;-;

[@matchabiscuits]

there technically is gaster x reader/player/self-insert but that doesn't really count imo

[@SleepiAbyss]

I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not but my sorta headcanon was that the Player and Gaster were almost rivals fighting for control over the world in small ways, so the idea of them also being like passive aggressive lovers is pretty funny to me

[@Aven_colonthree]

I uh personally dislike that ship, sorry

[@imanithepinkmonster]

I fucking love ships and the drama that comes with them. The toxicity they generate is always entertaining.

[@NeyamRye]

The truth

[@BlurZzBad5946]

I agree

[@HanakosToilet]

TRUE brother

[@cherrypuddles]

Since this is a rarepair, and I get like one chance to talk about it once per month, I'd like to rant about my favorite ship, Berdly/Ralsei. The main issue the two share is a lack of identity. With Ralsei, this is pretty easy to prove; he doesn't even know what "Ralsei-like" means, and has few motivations beyond "be a nice person who does nice things". Berdly seems to have a similar problem. He attaches 110% of his ego onto his grades, which is a sign that he didn't have much self-esteem before the spelling bee, and is genuinely surprised anyone wants anything to do with him after not being able to figure out the light puzzle. It's even a running gag that people can't remember his name, that's how little identity he has besides being smart. Now that we've established that they're both 5 minutes away from an identity crisis, let's examine how they play together. Ralsei is kind, supportive, a living teddy bear. Berdly might have to put up a 500IQ Rick and Morty enjoyer facade in front of everyone else, but he'd feel safe expressing vulnrability around Ralsei. Ralsei also does a lot of giving. Be it making cakes, rooms, or manuals, he's constantly trying to "earn" friendship. Since Berdly is, simply put, desperate for friendship (he fries his arm for the fun gang on the neutral route, *even if you beat him up every chance you get),* he'd offer Ralsei loyalty pretty much unconditionally. So, Berdly gets to develop self-esteem beyond getting A's, and Ralsei gets to stop worrying about not being "kind enough" to deserve friendship.

[@chongwillson972]

@puddles of dess' blood this is great! and Berdly/Ralsei would make a great pairing.

[@nyananath]

No, wait, stop, I'm kinda liking it 😭 Berdly would teach Ralsei how to play videogames and Ralsei would be completely committed to learning

[@TheCrazyGhost72]

Wait this is a ship??? Have they ever interacted in game??? I feel like it would be a very interesting pairing tho

[@cherrypuddles]

@@TheCrazyGhost72 @thespookyghost5723 To my knowledge, there are only 3 somewhat significant interactions between the two. 1. Pre-coaster fight: "Berdly, Queen's just manipulating you!!" "Heh... that's what she SAID you'd say to me!!" 2. Pre-Acid Tunnel of Love:"Kris! You and your lackey distract Queen!" "Kris, do you think of me as your lackey...?" 3. Post-Giga Queen: "Don't worry I'm just going to make a dark fountain." "Berdly what the fuck" (paraphrased) The community for this ship is very small, even Ralsei/Noelle and Susie/Berdly have more fics on ao3 that it (although most Susie/Berdly fics are written ironically). Still, the people who ship Berdsei do exist, even if there's only, like 7 of us.

[@doom64hunter]

I mean, the original Jurassic Park book definitely was intended to have an anti-corporate message. The park is run by a billionaire CEO of a genetics company who would rather listen to investors than the scientists telling him the park is a bad idea. Then, Nedry accidentally shuts down the security system when he tries to engage in corporate espionage for the company's competitor.

[@tkienjoyer]

i don't understand how you made this video without saying incest a single time.

[@nprnilk]

17:40 "I am not the biggest fan of a character who has only a few lines" Also SpookyDood: "I LOVE JOCKINGTON!" tbf, Jockington is a legend. I can see him and Catti appearing in a future chapter.

[@turkepic3637]

I like Krilsei but let's accept the facts, actual Kris seems to not like anyone but Susie. Two things that support this is the Tea-ory and the Festival. Noelle Tea and Ralsei tea doesn't heal Kris anything. Similarly, when Susie asks you who you will go to the Festival with at the end of Chapter 2, if you choose Noelle or Ralsei Susie will comment on how you looked uncomfortable, and the only actual good choice is Susie.

[@gopherthegold8722]

My favorite is after the Spamton neo fight depending on dialogue choices Kris can either somewhat jokingly ask Susie to borrow her jacket, to which she gets flustered or ask her for a hug instead of ralsei.

[@Colon-D...]

Damn if kris healing 60 from ralsei means they hate him, what does healing 10 from their own tea mean? Get outta here with tea theory fool Go! Now!

[@surrealsweets8741]

​@Colon-D... I mean I wouldn't be surprised if Kris had self image issues, it's already kind of implied anyway

[@notlucas6859]

@@surrealsweets8741 iirc each member when they drink their own tea say "its just water" (atleast susie and noelle) and heals the least. so maybe kris just hates water (dont blame him at ALL)

[@trudyyy9395]

i love suselle and kerdly and jevil x seam, i ship them all and consume media of them all but i never force my ships on to anyone else and i don't act like they're canon :) fandoms can enjoy and create all the fanfics and fanart ththat our hearts desire but we can't forget that the source material is always the most important thing because it's what brought us all together with a shared love of these characters and stories to begin with and as much as we care about these characters and their lives we need to respect toby fox and each other❤ i love this video spookydood, thank you 🙏

[@jujuoof174]

I really like both Krusie and Suselle tbh, as a multishiper I find both very cute, interesting and fun!

[@alficiro3238]

8:53 you only like Spamvil if it's angsty, got it.

[@AsteriaLove]

Saying that people thinking noelle was going to say “ it looks like a date” is stupid is dumb. She specifically says “it” as in not a person but the situation. Why would she call Ralsei, a living person an “it” “ it looks like Asriel” it doesn’t make sense. If it was “ he kinda looks like..” then absolutely it would make sense. But keep in mind Noelle has a big crush on Susie, if she sees they’re both holding cotton candy and happily chatting it makes sense she would automatically worry that her crush was on a date with someone. It sounds more like her. After all Noelle never really acknowledges Ralsei’s presence beyond that point. Not caring if he looks like Asriel or Toriel at all.

[@inkersbrew6370]

EXACTLY Also, the whole translation point was so strange. Noelle asks Kris in real life if Susie is nice/if she's mean. Noelle does not know Susie until chapter 2, and even then she forgets everything. She does not know if Susie is taken or even gay. And if she thought he looked like Asriel, why would she want to avoid him I'm sure there's more goat people than just the Dremurr family out there in Deltarune. That's on the bridge of fantasy racism to say someone looks like your brother cuz they're the same race 😭😭

[@Chopscotch-p3n]

I think the relationship between Ralsei and Kris isn't actually ralsei and kris, but instead Raslei and the soul (A.K.A. you). Ralsei knows you are controlling kris, and he looks directly at you the player in the swan ride, by looking at the screen.

[@Chopscotch-p3n]

Also i want to note that in the "genocide" and "pacificist" You force Kris into a relationship. Ralsei and Noelle being the two people. Noelle for strength and power. Ralsei for love.

[@rancidavocado2166]

My only thing with Krusie is that I see it as a twist that Toby could pull with all the hints I say this as someone who doesn't ship.

[@lardstehbread]

i've rained nuclear hellfire upon virtual worlds filled with virtual characters in multiple Videogames before and you've Managed to make me worry about the ethics of controlling a virtual Video Game character in a certain way what the hell man

[@GarlicBredArt]

shipping wars sounds like some bad movie about mailmen

[@TheHalfblood.Studios]

Ooooh what if they're mailmen who deliver love letters and they think different people who they deliver for should end up together so they start off as enemies but in the end they learn about themselves through the growth of the people writing the love letters and then they fall in love with each other 😭

[@madeline1714]

How is a ships weight in the canon relevant to the moral implications of shipping? How does non-confirmed ships harm the media/author?

[@starmaker75]

The only ships I can see the moral implications are the age gap one or kris x noelle, but kriselle can be express without snowgrave.

[@madeline1714]

@@starmaker75 the actual canon events that happen in the game are completely irrelevant. Take for example AUs is making a character into a completely different character harmful to the base material whatsoever? No. Then shipping said character with a character that the canon version of the character hates now makes sense. Because it’s not the same character. This also applies to age. Shipping a child and an adult is bad. But shipping the future older version of that child with the same adult is now fine.

[@ripleyandweeds1288]

It doesn't, SpookyDood is just a shipping purist who thinks ships need to be canon compliant to be valid. Which is a trend I really hate as it goes firectly against the point of shipping.

[@b.a.r.f1004]

in fact it doesn't harm but the fact that there's "fans" making disgusting ships is inraging like people call themsel's "fans" and do those things

[@madeline1714]

@@b.a.r.f1004 don’t gatekeep

[@ThirdyMeowy]

I once made a comment to someone that I didn't think Kris x Ralsei was bad, but then I thought about it some more and realized that, YEAH, it IS actually kind of weird. Like, it constantly is shoved and forced by options in Deltarune. It feels... well. Forced. Anyway, said person blocked me but honestly good for them, they're curating their online experience! Anyway, I don't really ship any UTDR characters in a serious manner. I used to ship Kralsei but in a sort of platonic way? (Like, not quite friends or romantic. In between.) I've tried to steer clear from it for now though. Spamvil is funny and is semi implied, I like it a bit. Kris x Berdly is silly, too, but I think they'd just be friends.

[@LaCabraAsada]

Kris x Berdly is so hilarious it's be funny if there was a meme ship scene between the two. Also it's toxic therefore it's good.

[@ThirdyMeowy]

@@LaCabraAsada no it isnt??? berdly may be a gamer but he respects kris and their identity

[@Vlad-t3f6q]

as a spamvile enjoyer, i think them being divorced is the best part, they foil each other thematically (angel vs devil motives) And story vise (their opposed ideas of freedom), but also their shared understanding of the world isolates them from almost everybody but each other rotating the weirdos in my mind, pitting them against each other

[@tellme...5905]

divorce ship>>>

[@scootie_scoot]

I feel like you’re taking the spamvil stuff too seriously 😭 it’s all in good fun! Spamtons hatred towards clowns makes the idea of them being in a relationship in the past so much funnier, and the q&a COULD be taken in a romantic way. It’s just as much of a theory as any other theory, so I don’t understand why you’re taking it as misinterpretation

[@its_clover2]

this was the first result when i searched up "ralsei is kris's fursona"

[@1000-THR]

lmao

[@felipevasconcelos6736]

I don’t think you get shipping. You’re just presenting arguments for why you think a relationship isn’t likely to become canon, most of which I agree. But ships don’t need canon support. I literally ship Tony the Tiger/The Grinch, and I’m not sure what “canon” would even mean for that ship. My favorite Deltarune ships are Krerdly (which has 0 canon support) and Full Krusielle (which, as you’ve pointed out, has negative canon support in the Kriselle side). Shipping isn’t an act of interpretation, it’s an act of transformation.

[@Treestump42]

The whole point is people expecting something to be the way they want, which is interpretation. To me it seemed like the entire beginning of the video is about explaining this is NOT about transformative shipping but misINTERPRETATION. They talked about how many ships are FUN but people shouldn't have their hopes up for them to happen

[@Treesarewoke]

There are two types of shipping. The transformative kind, and the interpretive kind. Both types exist. The interpretive shippers tend to be more vocal about their ships, as they believe them to be canon. Due to these people being louder, a lot of people tend to think all shipping is like that.

[@felipevasconcelos6736]

@@Treesarewoke I’d argue that while shippers (specially of particularly mainstream ships) often argue about which ships are going to become canon, that’s sharing a fan theory, not shipping. Fan theories and shipping often motivate each other, but they’re different things, even when the fan theory is about romance.

[@belleoehler2024]

I love this video, thanks for giving these points without demonizing the concept of shipping itself. And I agree, Kralsei is definitely weird; the implications that Kris wants nothing to do with it is reason enough for me to stay the hell away from it.

[@MoRPho151]

I don´t agree that Krusie is totally not canon because it seems that Kris likes Susie, remember that there is a very important part of the game that hints of Kris having their own personality, will and stuff under what we make them do. It is not sure that he loves Susie but is somehow hinted that he feels something special for her. Maybe it will stay onesided like that ooor maybe he only sees her as a new best friend like Asriel was, like a new sister who knows at this point. In the end maybe Kris will be able to do things appart of the player, we don´t know what willl happen with our control over him, or maybe their feelings toward Susie will be part of the conflict between Kris and the soul (the player). Maybe somehow they will try to find the way to talk to Susie or Ralsei without out control, and maybe in that way they will try to get rid of our control and the ship will be part of the story in that way even if it doesn´t happen. Is not very probable, I admit it, but I don´t think that the possibility of Krusie is totally discarded 100%. I am more of a Suselle person, but, I have to admit Krusie is still possible and a little bit hinted. With all the other stuff you said I would say that I agree! Seeing Asgore in a better position would be awesome, and Ralsei is a very very direct analog to flowey, and flowey in undertale was... well we know who he was. So, I think that this is a good and serious analysis about a very divisive subject inside the fandom, in general. I don´t think that Kralsei will end up being something hugely messed up, but is clear that is something Kris doesn´t want to do. I gave you a like :D!!! PD: You missed Kerdly, is like the new pop ship.

[@b.a.r.f1004]

I though it was very obvious noelle x susie, like it's obvious, unless you do snowgrave route in that route you are just disgusting

[@lesyeuxdelisa6556]

@@b.a.r.f1004 Noelle obsessed with susie. it's not healthy. If you look at sweepstakes and tea theory, you can see how much obsessed noelle was. But susie more like neutral to everyone

[@b.a.r.f1004]

@@lesyeuxdelisa6556 I don't understand how it affects the ship, since it's canon, probably Toby will make something about the ship or the ship ends because susie notices the obsession or she makes a way to end the obsession but still doing the ship.

[@b.a.r.f1004]

o yea I forgor, kris doesn't like susie, susie is the exemple of platonic relationship, in no moment she blushs or become embarassed, the only moments she does it is in front of Nolle or when talking about her (except the moments when she kinda becomes hipocrite like when she stopped of only thinking in violence)

[@lesyeuxdelisa6556]

@@b.a.r.f1004 I don’t know, if noelle stops being obsessed, it would be so adorable. But for now this ship is kinda toxic

[@theredhare2483]

In my opinion, I support Kris x Ralsei for the soul purpose that the story pushes how wrong it is. I support the narrative built around it, but not the literal ship itself

[@Angel_Alph-TV]

17:40 "I'm not the biggest fan of characters with few lines" bro witch one😭

[@liaevans4483]

To be honest I think you're thinking too much into it. Like, knowing you're a theory channel, I think you're thinking too much into it. People are just having fun

[@octoburst]

I didn't think of the blush or the hugs as romantic things. I just thought it was because Ralsei was having an interaction with someone he feels a close friendship towards, along with the fact he's a lonely goat boy who hasn't had any social interaction in a long time.

[@Average_Moldovan_User]

lmao i unironically ship kris x berdly

[@P12-w6s]

Regarding Susie and Kris, I had a idea that could make this work and add to the main conflict of deltarune: the player v.s. Kris. My theory is that Kris develops a crush on Susie, but Toby Fox specifically introduced us to the fact that Noelle has a crush on Susie in order to put a wedge between us and Kris. I’ll admit there is very little evidence but it would help explain just how cookie cutter Noelle and Susie are, but that’s just a theory, a Ga-

[@Miropup]

Honestly thats not unlikely, and also works well with how the game constantly gives us the option to push Kralsei even though Kris seems to be at best neutral towards him. Its putting these characters' relationships into neat little pairings that dont interfere with each other and that appeal to the player... yet Kris themself really doesnt seem fond of it.

[@LaCabraAsada]

A gay theory! Thanks for watching.

[@alexburn4014]

i feel its a real possibility that Kris actually does have a crush on Susie mostly because of the how to draw dragons book. I think their the one that drew in it at the beginning of chapter 2 and when you tell Alphys that you couldn't sleep because of Susie she immediately tries to recommend a dating sim for them before changing her mind.

[@PankekGuy-wq2ge]

“the entire cast of homestuck woth eachother” no truer words have been spoke since..

[@0rb1t4lm3chanik]

In regards to Spamvil, I see it as, Jevil played against spamton on a game show with Mike as the ref

[@ShowWithNoName]

The only ship in Deltarune I fux with is Swatch X Tasque Manager. It's completely inconsequential and based purely on the fact that their personalities are compatible.

[@hannahshark8080]

I made Kris hug Ralsei a few times because it seems like they miss Asriel. Can't wait for Asriel to come home from college, that poor boy went through so much in Undertale, I just want him to have a good life and good relationship with their family this time.

[@SmokeTheHorsehog]

Tackling Kralsei as a way to embrace the "you are the villain" storyline that the SOUL is heading towards with Kris, it could work pretty well. I'm not saying it should go that way, for all we know it might not and Toby might find a way to work around this that still taps into the theming in a way that feels thematically appropriate, but when I look at it all the more that way... there's good reason for us, as the player to want to do it, but to understand that Kris isn't consenting to any of this. Even if it has been stated that the SOUL/us and Kris cannot exist without each other for too long, the two of us are by no means the same person.

[@Quzirell]

Whenever I get the chance I choose the option that makes it more like I just then to be friends to see if there's some type if different reaction near the end of the game (that doesn’t change the ending) because of said miniscule choices.

[@archiviste209]

This video pretty much perfectly summed up almost all of my opinions. I’m so glad to see a video addressing how uncomfortable Ralsei x Kris is. I know some people are a big fan of it but I find it just so deeply unsettling since Ralsei is meant to draw similarity to Asriel (even though he isn’t actually Asriel.) It makes me so uncomfortable on Kris’s behalf, and paired with the themes of lack of control for Kris, I feel extra bad that the player is offered so many…. Romantic seeming choices towards Ralsei

[@psychosignal]

why am i jumpscared by homestuck not even one minute in

[@glitchwolf1384]

I'm only halfway through the video, but its clear it won't be brought up so I've got to add my input in the form of annoying corrections in the comments! Namely, anything involving Kris is... weird. Because we get to see so little of Kris, and so much of the SOUL, which is definitely a different character, and implied to be the player to some degree Which means.... Krusie is something we might possibly see in the game, but it would *definitely* have to be in a situation where Kris has control, and we the player, as the SOUL, do not. Its clear that Kris has... some kind of feelings towards Susie, what they are we don't quite know yet, but romance could happen. And Kriselle... is impossible. Kris has no romantic feelings towards Noelle, they're just friends. You're probably thinking 'well what about the weird route? The whole Noelle stuff there? And yeah, there's plenty of it in the *weird route*, where the player is doing really concerning things! Undertale (to a minor extent with some geno things) and Deltarune (to a much greater extent) put *heavy* emphasis on whether the narration refers to the main character doing something; 'Kris called out for help', versus the *player* doing something through the SOUL; 'you whispered Noelle's name' So if we keep going down weird routes, there may be a canon (incredibly abusive) relationship with Noelle... just not between Kris and Noelle, but between the SOUL and Noelle. And before I even get to watching the Kralsei part... That one's also been shown to *very much* be a 'Player/SOULxRalsei' thing, and *not* Kris.

[@ahomestucker]

basically... you think kralsei is bad ship because it wont be canon, right? but... why does that matter? dont get me wrong, im not a fan of kralsei, but people can ship characters while not thinking the relationship's gonna happen in the end, they can just like the idea of these characters getting together. thats how like, most shipping works actually? for books, games, and movies that are done upon release, people know they aint gonna see their ship happen unless it actually happens in the end. but people can still like the idea of characters getting together, even if it didnt actually happen.

[@BiomechanicalBrick]

Kralsei is sus because Kris doesn't like it

[@Treesarewoke]

You underestimate the number of people who claim their ships are canon. *Those* people are what the video is talking about. I did the same, and got mad at this video (before actually watching it) for that same reason as you lol

[@ahomestucker]

@@Treesarewoke i aint mad at it i just think its a little misguided ya know? to say that ships suck because they probably aint gonna be endgame

[@ScrungleSketches]

1:21 YOU DID NOT NEED TO PUT THAT CLIP THERE, I THOUGHT CHAPTER THREE WAS OUT FOR A SECOND AND GOT HYPED, DANGIT! Anyways shipping am I right?

[@AnimationDude_]

Deltarune Fandom: *Makes Ralsei into Asriel* *Ships Ralsei With Kris* *Therefore ships Asriel with Kris* But I can think of a more cursed, not overall worse but more cursed ship Spamton x Jevil 😪

[@jacedalesbean]

I personally don't like participating in ships aside from platonic ones but yeah, shipping can be fun sometimes but also really devastating as well. Alastor from hazbin hotel is a good example because of the amount of people who had shipped him getting really mad that he was asexual. The Undertale AU Flowerfell also had a lot of backlash for not being a ship fic and ended up going so far that most fans have just considered it a ship fic. Some flowerfell fans have even reposted the entire thing but change it so that Frisk says "I love you" to Sans at the end. If you do ship characters please just make sure that you're not being rude about it ^^

[@Th4tC4t]

But what if krurdly, was krispy chicken