The Dark Side of Millie & Moxxie's Relationship: Moxxie's Unhinged Needs Explained!

[@CartoonUniverse]

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[@Aleggsia]

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[@princezeit]

@@Aleggsia a lot of stuff.

[@booksmartthealicorn3219]

*Thanks for the new video based on the fifth season 2 episode of Helluva Boss, "Unhappy Campers ", involving the once in a blue personal demon of histrionics from the characters Millie and Moxxie, despite having a healthy positive romantic relationship, Deep Cut from **#CartoonUniverse** !* *I hope you cover Barbie Wire as well as Asmodean crystals in future videoes!* ;D

[@Abbywise32]

@@Aleggsia I can't even keep up There's lots going on there

[@AliceIzuragi6291]

i love your videos

[@TomBoyArtistQueen]

I love that this episode showed that even in healthy relationships couples still picker and fight but strong healthy relationships will flourish through the dark days. I wish precious episodes would have showed off and built up to how Millie has an insecurity of being enough

[@DANCERcow]

That's what this episode is here to explore so you got what you wanted lol

[@Afterlifegaming65]

Yeah not every couple is perfect not even Moxxie and Millie

[@booksmartthealicorn3219]

*True that! But despite the trials and tribulations, especially maintaining healthy self-esteem when life gets unpredictable, I'm glad Moxxie and Millie 's relationship remains resilient, even after that conflict they had in the new Helluva Boss episode!* ;D

[@Afterlifegaming65]

@@booksmartthealicorn3219 yeah I can agree with you

[@TomBoyArtistQueen]

@@booksmartthealicorn3219 same

[@NightoftheLivingcookies10]

It doesn’t surprise me he has a repressed dark side. With the trauma he’s lived through, i’m surprised he hasn’t snapped yet. It probably takes a lot to hold it back

[@Red_Eggie]

Strangely I want Moxxie to snap someday, and he has full right to. However It'd be completely devastating if (or when) stepping on Moxxie at a such crucial event is used as a comedic relief

[@sabinesteese3909]

I'm anticipating that when Moxxie eventually does snap, Blitzø is the first target. Moxxie suffers so much cuz of that a-hole, (not as much as Crimson traumatized him) verbally and occasionally physically(?)! I wouldn't be surprised if Moxxie eventually quits!

[@Knightfall-Batman]

@@sabinesteese3909 if blitz is the first target, then you better believe that Loona is the second target. Because she is just as mean and hateful to him as blitz is

[@kylerocco7467]

I don't think that will happen Blitz is one of his few friends. Also might be why Mille is willing to help him with his mental health.

[@wondergirl1586]

I feel like he wanted attention and admiration from random girls becaue of his childhood. Which is realistic

[@HoneyQueen346]

The fact that humans in this series can see past Moxxie's femboy disguise but can’t see past Millie's tomboy disguise is one of the funniest parts of the episode.

[@glasscardproductions4736]

It's an absolute riot, but it also feels like they just thought Moxxie was bad-looking.

[@seeleunit2000]

Not really. The humans didn't see through, rather they took Moxie for a girl just not a popular one. Only Barbie Wire saw through the disguise. Most humans in the show are stupid as they are vicious.

[@JazzTheLass]

​@@seeleunit2000so like humans in real life!

[@RealValkor]

@@seeleunit2000 I appreciate the team's research that went behind representing humans so faithfully!

[@Bia-wm4tv]

Oh, you know humans. They only see what they choose to see

[@ribottostudio]

The fact that even though they were upset with each other, they were still able to TALK and LISTEN to each other in the end shows that this is just legit the best relationship in Hell. But I'm glad this episode exists because it cast light on both Moxxie AND Millie but in good ways. I can see people being further upset at Moxxie STILL reeling with self doubt, but considering who his father was vs who Millie's parents were it makes sense he'd have issues even as an adult-that just doesn't go away. It was nice to see things from a new POV too.

[@seeleunit2000]

Exactly. That was a good point you made. 😊☮️

[@mediamuncher69]

Maybe blitz and stolas can take notes.

[@ribottostudio]

@@mediamuncher69 duuuuude fr fr

[@sukifloof8926]

I think people forget Charlie and vaggie are also in hell 😭 jk tbh they’re both such positive relationships 🫶🏿

[@Exo-Creations]

​@@sukifloof8926agreed

[@Red_Eggie]

As someone who is very prideful of their skills and talents it really hurts when someone in a similar position can perform them so much better that I'm completely ignored. I get Moxxie and he was really relatable in the episode

[@thenightqueen0]

Even worse when say they take less effort to do better. I thought of myself as a great student so when I study for a test, end up not doing well. And then I overhear a classmate I’m jealous of say “I didn’t even study for this test and I did great”. It’s like a hard snap inside that just has to be kept quite and hope nobody notices.

[@magnaknight9252]

Vivziepop really needs to work on Moxxie by having him stand up for himself more than stop being the Meg Griffin, Jerry Smith, Brian Griffin, or Squidward of the group, especially since he's been nothing more than a doormat to everyone except his wife. Like, have him do something different that not even both Millie and Blitzo don't know of his whereabouts when he's not around with them, like take some night school to develop new skills like learning about business to be a better businessman than Blitzo or all kinds of subjects that could be useful for I.M.P, find a martial arts dōjō to change himself while also learning how to fight, go to a gym to gain muscles, or something. This episode could have been a wake-up call for Moxxie of how pathetic he is, and maybe he should try to change himself for the better instead of being what he is.

[@Red_Eggie]

@@magnaknight9252 definitely. I've learned that the best thing to do in a simmiliar situation is to remind yourself that there will always be someone better, someone more popular, someone younger can be better - but that's ok. You can improve, change your perspective. The only thing you shouldn't do is to lash at those people

[@magnaknight9252]

@@Red_Eggie If anyone were in Moxxie's position of what he experiences, this should be a wake-up call of how pathetic you are then you should change yourself for the better before it's too late.

[@DozingGreen-fz6rg]

Moxxie is better at everything, he just didn't give it his all because he let his emotions get the better of him here.

[@Golden_eye21]

I like how Moxxie and Millie actually had conflict with one another for this ep instead of being portrayed as the "perfect couple" It made it more interesting to me. Also loved seeing more personality from Millie's character.

[@kitsuujujitsuu4025]

I think it showed that no couple is perfect, and that you can still have a strong relationship even if you argue with your partner, but if your relationship is actually healthy you'll still be able to make up for it

[@chaos147ex8]

"Conflict". It lasted 3 minutes tops.

[@year7high711]

@@chaos147ex8 still counts

[@Vyxsenthesnowfox2002]

​@@chaos147ex8 this might be true but Millie did bring up how it has been a reoccurring thing and that she's had a problem with that, after all she was doing all that for herself and Moxxie was the one desperate for attention

[@magnaknight9252]

Vivziepop really needs to work on Moxxie by having him stand up for himself more than stop being the Meg Griffin, Jerry Smith, Brian Griffin, or Squidward of the group, especially since he's been nothing more than a doormat to everyone except his wife. Like, have him do something different that not even both Millie and Blitzo don't know of his whereabouts when he's not around with them, like take some night school to develop new skills like learning about business to be a better businessman than Blitzo or all kinds of subjects that could be useful for I.M.P, find a martial arts dōjō to change himself while also learning how to fight, go to a gym to gain muscles, or something. This episode could have been a wake-up call for Moxxie of how pathetic he is, and maybe he should try to change himself for the better instead of being what he is.

[@halomoon_]

The main thing I loved was how Millie had a lot more skill and talent then I originally expected. Cause I’ve only ever seen her be good at singing or fighting but nothing else

[@blackdragon3748]

Yeah, at this point i wonder is there anything she can't do?

[@axoltlbunny8955]

same :D

[@planteruines5619]

and that's the why i don't like millie : too perfect , where is the problem

[@yomommah6866]

​@planteruines5619 wow, just goes to show you can't satisfy everyone... she's about as skilled as Disney's Rapunzel, but I never saw anybody complain about her being too perfect. Hell, her excelling at literally anything even caused one of the biggest conflicts in her own series. I'd say give Millie more time. We already know she has anger management issues. I'm sure they'll come up with more flaws.

[@planteruines5619]

@@yomommah6866 yeah i hope i hope, but i'm afraid vivzie likes the character a bit too much to give her real anchored defaults , and ones that makes moxxie useful , but again this is only hope

[@Beer_Me]

The fact you were able to analyze, record, edit, and post a video within like 3 hours of the episode dropping is impressive. You're also my favorite Helluva Boss reaction channel

[@beautifulclouds8888]

That is a very good point-

[@septemily]

I know, I was really hoping he would 😅. When it dropped this afternoon, I was desperately hoping someone would post a review but knew it wouldn’t happen for atleast a day. Then I get off work to see he did in fact post, 7 hours ago!

[@Beer_Me]

@@septemily he is ahead of the game lol he must have been like me. Checking youtube every hour on a Saturday. I checked at 12PM my time and nothing and then 1 hour later it was uploaded and this video was up just a few hours later

[@adilenereynoso6868]

Impressive work

[@Moonlight.Howlings.666]

Well, I feel so sorry for Moxxie. This was the most embarassing episode for him so far. But on the plus side, his relationship with his wife remained wholesome by the end of the episode. As for Millie, I am glad that her having more screen time compared to other episodes is really nice to see.

[@blackdragon3748]

The writers did him dirty this episode, all of the time he was the voice of reason but now he was acting absolutely re****ed for no reason.

[@paracuna]

​@@blackdragon3748agreed, he was so out of character

[@YouTubeIsBad962]

@@blackdragon3748 it was supposed to be his femboy version but didnt seem like it worked too well for him.

[@Techhunter_Talon]

@@paracuna Observe this in this community. People form their own ideas and impressions of characters... and when they exhibit a behavior that runs even a little counter to that, they say that it's 'out of character' or 'inconsistent'. In actuality, it just doesn't align with their own headcanon or interpretations of the show's world and characters.

[@ribottostudio]

@@paracuna how was it out of character? We've seen Moxxie lost his cool and breakdown before. TO MILLIE? No, but an episode like this isn't out of nowhere. It's consistent. Mox is shy, emotional, quiet but good with weapons and killing. He isn't strong physically, he has a hard time standing up for himself, and seems to rely on Millie too much, being codependent which isn't healthy. He sees her more of a mother figure than a wife it appears. And gee, I wonder why. It's not like we had a recent episode explaining Moxxie's backstory and personality at all or anything. THUS FURTHER CEMENTING the personality he has as an adult.

[@RaccAttack77]

While he may have expressed it the wrong way, I can definitely see it from Moxxie’s point of view. Just imagine, a father like Moxxie’s, you manage to find someone who actually loves you who is amazing, and you complement each other. She’s good at hand to hand, you’re good at firearms, you’re good at planning, she’s good at acting out the plan, AND she tells you when you’re doing a good job and comforts you when you’re hurt. But then a situation arises where all the things you’re supposed to be good at fail and she does it without a problem, above and beyond even. It could definitely make someone sink right back into that ‘I’m useless, nothing I do is right’ mindset. And depending on how deep you fall into that, your brain could twist all that comfort and praise into your partner just being patronizing. Again, talking is always better than lashing out, but as someone who has gone through situations like that, I get Moxxie being upset.

[@allen6187]

Yeah, I think that’s part of what made me feel so much for both of them. Millie deserves support and praise just as much as Moxxie does, but I completely understand where he was coming from in his frustration. He’s so determined to prove himself, and when you’re in a situation that you believe is the perfect setting to show off your talents, it’s so easy to get frustrated when you fail. And at the same time, Millie deserves the care and support that she gives Moxxie. She puts so much effort into making him feel supported, and I can totally understand being upset when she needed that support from him and didn’t get it because he got caught up in his own insecurities. It was a difficult situation for both of them, and I really enjoyed that neither character was really the “villain”. Moxxie just really got in his head, and a result, he accidentally neglected Millie’s feelings and then lashed out when his insecurities got the best of him.

[@eatatjoes6751]

@@allen6187 They're both horrifyingly co-dependent and I can't wait for an episode that's the inverse where Millie finds she has zilch to latch onto because Moxxie grew a pair.

[@Prior2Popular]

This is actually an EXCELLENT breakdown. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@JDWalker495]

I think this episode also highlighted why Millie might’ve fell in love with moxie in the first place. While this episode definitely effected his worst, episodes like Ozzie’s showed how alive and care he gives to Millie something I think she lacked from people outside her family. From how she talked this episode it feels like was never that popular and always feared rather than liked. Also in Moxie’s defense, he seems to have -20 luck, cause the world (both hell and earth) is always out to get him in one way or another. I’d desperate for Ws to if I had to constantly watch my six for land sharks and sh*t

[@Katzztar]

I'm beginging to wonder if someone cursed Moxie to forever had bad luck with sharks in general... I mean WTF, no one at camp complained about sharks but one shows up ..just to f-ck with Moxie. We all know when a shark appears at a summer camp, it's the horny teenagers that's the prime targets! (j/k there...but the gag of Sharks hate Moxie seem to be a trend in the show)

[@datguy7834]

@@Katzztarremember when a shark jumped him in the wrestling part of the harvest moon festival?

[@Miciggy24]

@@Katzztar Hey, a shark did screw him in the past

[@lokiserpentem8534]

To be fair in this particular episode he approached the camp kids and came off as a total selfish ass everytime even when Millie was trying to help him by letting him sing

[@Katzztar]

@@Miciggy24 More than once! I think ... first time was in the pilot in the jingle. At very least one was grinning at him there...waiting. Then wasn't there several times, not just once, in the Full Moon Festive?

[@Metrikon9000]

I feel for Millie in this episode, but I have 100% been in Moxxie's shoes. I, too, have had issues with everyone else around me being better at everything that I am passionate about and "think" that I am good at. I have also unfairly lashed out at the people I care about most when it gets too overwhelming. This episode really hit home for me, in a gut-wrenching kind of way. I truly hope Moxxie can overcome his insecurities one day.

[@Za3chik]

I am surprised , it seems so tricky for Moxxie to believe in the joy of just chilling out & enjoying your bae embodying her excellence 🥰

[@SleepyReptile]

Every relationship has bad days and dark sides, the difference is those that are healthy will prevail and strengthen afterwards which thankfully Moxxie and Millie did

[@magnaknight9252]

Vivziepop really needs to work on Moxxie by having him stand up for himself more than stop being the Meg Griffin, Jerry Smith, Brian Griffin, or Squidward of the group, especially since he's been nothing more than a doormat to everyone except his wife. Like, have him do something different that not even both Millie and Blitzo don't know of his whereabouts when he's not around with them, like take some night school to develop new skills like learning about business to be a better businessman than Blitzo or all kinds of subjects that could be useful for I.M.P, find a martial arts dōjō to change himself while also learning how to fight, go to a gym to gain muscles, or something. This episode could have been a wake-up call for Moxxie of how pathetic he is, and maybe he should try to change himself for the better instead of being what he is.

[@SleepyReptile]

@@magnaknight9252 Moxxie isn't that pathetic though, he has some mental issues sure but he is a ex mafioso and his dad killed his mom he wouldn't be fucked up from that? Plus many times Moxxie has shown to be good at his job, clueless and too kind sure but still a killer

[@magnaknight9252]

​@@SleepyReptile I meant, in this episode, and the other episodes before it is that Moxxie has always been pathetic, because of how bad he was treated, things never go his way, and it's not just his dad, it's everyone except his wife.

[@SleepyReptile]

@magnaknight9252 that's true

[@ryanporter4689]

@SleepyReptile What you have to said, has to be the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point in your childish, idealistic response did you not come close to anything that's considered a rational thought. Everyone in this comment section is more stupider for having to listen this rubbish. Therefore you hit a massive low, and may God have mercy on your soul

[@namelessnavnls8060]

I kinda love what we all perceived as a "lack of development" into an actual character trait that has been foreshadowed for a long time for Millie. She doesn't get her chance to shine because she's always so busy taking care of Mox. He always wants/needs the spotlight and Millie stays back to let him get that spotlight because she loves him. A lot of our observations or even gripes about things that happened in past episodes seem to be tied up quite neatly as the show goes on. I love it. There's a lot of thought behind these characters, where they're going and even the subtleties of their past actions tying to present and future reveals.

[@VanHellbright4763]

I overall loved this episode, showing Blitzø's relationship with Barbie, Millie having an episode focused on her, and showing that the M&M's can argue and come out of it just as close if not closer. Animation and plot are amazing and the songs slap, great episode.

[@carolinebergin4633]

I still can’t believe we just saw Blitz’s sister Barbie! They really are twins! That montage they fought in was amazing!

[@MoxxieKnolastname-hr8sh]

Regular Joe and You got the power sure slap! Everybody look at me at the other hand...

[@angelalycos2.076]

Fights are normal in a marriage, not knock out drag out hair gets pulled and teeth are lost fights, but arguments are normal. How we handle them is what makes them either toxic or healthy.

[@rosegirl3220]

My guess is Moxxie was acting like that because his dad didn't let him spend time with other kids so he was trying to live out his own fantasy of what he wished his childhood was like

[@hyperdreamer9483]

Probably, Moxxie is a very broken person like most of the cast seem to be. He’s been physically and emotionally abused to point he barely knows how to behave sometimes with his trauma conflicting with his good heart

[@frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574]

@@hyperdreamer9483 yeah

[@magnaknight9252]

@@hyperdreamer9483 Vivziepop really needs to work on Moxxie by having him stand up for himself more than stop being the Meg Griffin, Jerry Smith, Brian Griffin, or Squidward of the group, especially since he's been nothing more than a doormat to everyone except his wife. Like, have him do something different that not even both Millie and Blitzo don't know of his whereabouts when he's not around with them, like take some night school to develop new skills like learning about business to be a better businessman than Blitzo or all kinds of subjects that could be useful for I.M.P, find a martial arts dōjō to change himself while also learning how to fight, go to a gym to gain muscles, or something. This episode could have been a wake-up call for Moxxie of how pathetic he is, and maybe he should try to change himself for the better instead of being what he is.

[@hyperdreamer9483]

@@magnaknight9252 You told me the same thing on my own comment, if you’d like to know my opinion go check there

[@magnaknight9252]

@@hyperdreamer9483 Sorry, I can't remember of who I wrote for my opinions.

[@Runzi333]

I think when you are the "needy" partner it's easy to forget that your partner also needs assurances and emotional support. They're always the strong one so you forget that takes a toll and they're strong because that's what you need but you forget that they also have the same needs. I also think that it shows they have a good relationship that Mox can get yelled at for being insensitive and self centered and take that as the criticism, even when hurtful, that it is. We all knew he would be there for the concert because they do care about each other tremendously. It's important to consider a persons trauma but it's also important to remember no one makes it out of life without some kind of trauma too, Millie maybe had a way better home life but that doesn't equal not needing emotional validation from her partner.

[@_Spy_]

THIS!!!

[@glorialewis8566]

It also shows the struggle that comes with always being the strong one in a relationship. It can be really difficult to put your own needs to the side to help your partner, and when that situation is something that's a constant, it can be really draining. Millie doesn't crave validation the way Moxxie does, but she wants to feel appreciated. So when he doesn't support her, despite her doing everything in her power to support and love and take care of him, of course she's going to snap. Moxxie isn't perfect. He's got a lot of trauma and issues to work through, and they're going to rear their ugly heads every now and then. And the thing is, he took for granted the fact that Millie is going to be there no matter what. But, on the flip side, Millie is so busy taking care of Moxxie that she doesn't get to have her own needs at times. Overall, the episode managed to show how problematic a mindset like Moxxie and Millie can have while at the same time showing that they are healthy by working through the situation. It's not solved but it's a situation that they will hopefully be able to handle better when it comes around again.

[@milkiassamuel780]

I really liked this episode. It honestly might be my second favourite episode of Season 2. I loved that they finally gave Millie's character some long-awaited character development and explored her dynamic and relationship with Moxxie. I love how this episode finally gave Millie some development and explored her own inhibitions and ambition to be more than just a savage killer. Im just glad that Millie finally got more focus in this episode as her getting sidelined last season in favour of Blitz and Moxxie, which was one of the major complaints. She's the one who's always supporting everyone else and pulling out all the stops she can to make sure they're happy. She just wanted that attention and praise for herself for once, which was hinted at in Season 1 episode 5. Also, cool to see Blitz's sister

[@superlemonslicer1224]

A big W was given to the world today after Millie was given a character other then strong girl that likes Moxie

[@Castigar48]

millie W moxxi L

[@GeekZone210]

What's the first one?

[@akayl4f7]

the dynamic of moxxies mother and millie filling that now empty void really makes sense for his character and this episode added so much to it, it was all that i could have personally asked for, giving that necessary character depth to millie

[@N3O_4]

I love in this episode it shows how the sinners death reflects to there afterlife appearance for example the client died by drowning and became a deep sea demon.

[@mx.silly_person892]

I was honestly very happy that we had more of a Millie focused episode and I really like how they took it! So good on them and I also am excited to see more Millie focused episodes in the future

[@globbyakaweirdjellyguy954]

Moxxie wanting to feel appreciated as an actor/artist and to succeed “his” way definitely comes from his childhood trauma and further explains why he made such a big fuss over the street artist in “Seeing Stars.” I don’t blame Millie for being upset at Moxxie though since she has a right to feel good about herself too.❤ It was also really cool to see the Asmodean crystals in action and that they come with human disguises too. I look forward to a video on that updated information.😊❤ Also, poor Blitz was actually trying to reconnect with his sister but she wanted nothing to do with him.😢 It was also sad that the nurse was basically saying that even if he is trying to help Barbie, he’ll just ruin it for her, which unfortunately came true since she lost her supplier.😔

[@AyameFyuu]

I related to Millie as I've been the one that would be the 'mom' and therapist in my relationship dealing with others emotions. That when I get excited about stuff I've also had a moxie that ends up upset and bitter. Though I also learned to call them out because it isn't fair that I have to put everything on pause, never allowing myself to get validation just for their feelings of insecurities. Which is why I was so happy they talked it out and Moxie realized he was being a jerk husband so supported her. Made me so happy and emotional because it isn't a contest she was still there for him and validating. Just because he failed didn't mean he has to take it out on the one person who is on his side just because she's doing well. No bucket of crabs here! Just communication and wholesome development between the M&M. It likely won't be the last since Moxie has a lot of insecurities and Millie will eventually be crossed but that just how relationships are. You don't give up on a good thing just because it gets hard you work on it and this episode them once again being couple goals by getting over the dark phase in their relationship~

[@portobeIIa]

the crew making the Millie Problem actually canon and a problem also within the MnM couple is so meta. i cant tell if it's super passive aggressive or super clever

[@GracieBN]

I’m really glad that they finally created a plot line where Millie & Moxxie fight about something, their relationship was too perfect before and at some point it needed to be shown that they can’t always be this flawless couple who’s always happy and always on the same page

[@pickledeluxe4636]

its not that it was to perfect. actually even in the pilot episode apparent to me that they disagree on some level , but are a rational loving couple. quite frankly the imps in this show seem to be more rational and realistic then the damned souls or empowered beings who all have these wacky cartoony personality issues and problems

[@SK7Raven]

I love the reveal of bilzs sister in this episode

[@booksmartthealicorn3219]

*Me three! :DAlthough I'm surprised and shocked that Barbie Wire is now more angsty/naughty in person than her sunny ,spunky disposition on Blitz 's portrait of her sister and himself! Not to mention that it has been revealed that she is a drug addict who escaped the rehab center at the Sloth Ring of Hell to the point of doing contraband drug deals with humans on Earth in her human disguise ! D: I hope Blitz would find Barbie Wire help her overcome her unresolved personal issues, including her substance abuse problem, and make amends to their sibling relationship again!* 😇

[@Trident_Gaming03]

This episode helps explain the big plot hole of when Crimson wasn't in Moxxie's truth hallucination Moxxie wants validation more than anything else, Blitz is like a father figure in this way to him This episode was such a breathe of fresh air, and helped save the shows writing of S2 for the most part

[@shootingstarssel4182]

I loved this episode; I couldn't stop laughing when Moxxie was pretending to be a pre-teen; the voice acting was 11/10 excellent. I can also relate to Millie in the episode because I was always the mom/therapist in my friendships and family, giving validation and emotional support to them. When I did something that I liked, which made me happy, and wanted validation from them, I quickly learned who were my real friends and family and who wasn't because we did end up in arguments, but we talked and listened and made up. I love Millie & Moxxie's relationship because they are a perfect example of a healthy relationship; they are not perfect, M&M have flaws, and they have their bad and dark days, but what is important is how they work through it rather than around it like most media tends to portray. I especially love Moxxie's speech and hyping Mille for her performance in the end and apologizing because we don't see that a lot, and most of the time, it's the person who yelled their concerns and what they feel apologies, which I'm over.

[@Nakia11798]

I really understand both points of view, Millie and Moxxie. It hurts when youre finally getting the attention that you dont normally get, and your partner doesnt support you. It ALSO hurts when despite doing your absolute best, someone else does so much better and gets all the rewards without even trying.

[@owenbridgers]

Im glad that Millie was finally able to get a whole lot more! Also Erica Linbeck is an amazing voice actress. She doesnt deserve everything thats been happening to her as of late.

[@esteemedmortal5917]

What has been happening to her? I’ve tried to find out what everyone is referencing.

[@owenbridgers]

@@esteemedmortal5917 From what I know, people where stealing her Voice to make an AI out of, she rightfully got Mad at this and tried to get them to stop, then she was bullied so hard she deleted her Social media. All because she didnt consent to having her voice stolen by Assholes.

[@fyodazi]

@@esteemedmortal5917 her fiance sadly passed away

[@esteemedmortal5917]

@@fyodazi ok. I knew that had happened last year, wasn’t sure if anything else happened (not that that isn’t devastating in and of itself)

[@crustader3755]

@pheenixgryphon7857 Really? Seems like a weird situation. Don’t think she could get harassed, but surprised she left sites for that. Won’t justify her being harassed by fans, but will say that her asking a fan of the show to not use her voice in ai for a fan animation is a bit silly. “Silly” being a nice way to put it. Would be like the SpongeBob cast telling people to not use ai SpongeBob voices anymore, or other various voices. I’m surprised the fan did what she wanted, because that fan making that didn’t do anything wrong at least. Just her voice being used in a fan thing is like someone stopping a parody video cause they didn’t like the parody lol.

[@leonarose738]

Honestly, the whole part of the plot concerning Moxxie and Milie was my favorite because it showed Moxxie's bad/dark side and it showed Millie's more vulnerable side. Moxxie obviously needs validation in a lot of areas because of the trauma he endured when he was growing up but I also think Millie possibly had something (not necessarily trauma) when she was growing up as well. She says to Moxxie in this episode that she's never had someone cheer for her and I wonder if that's a slight peek into her backstory with how her parents are towards her. You can after all have parents or guardians that are good caretakers and such without them being abusive in any way but it would still hurt pretty bad (to say the least) to not have them validate or cheer for you. Not because they are neglectful or anything but simply because they make mistakes, too. Sometimes parents/guardians just miss certain cues and such. I wonder if Millie possibly didn't get the validation and cheering she needed from her parents when growing up because of her siblings. It can be hard having siblings at times after all, especially ones you're overshadowed by because of age and such. Just a theory for Millie, though.

[@imageez]

Yea it does add context to Millie and her family's interaction a bit.

[@leonarose738]

@@imageez Yeah, that's what I got out of it a lot. She just resonated with me in this episode quite a bit, but I could be wrong.

[@magnaknight9252]

Vivziepop really needs to work on Moxxie by having him stand up for himself more than stop being the Meg Griffin, Jerry Smith, Brian Griffin, or Squidward of the group, especially since he's been nothing more than a doormat to everyone except his wife. Like, have him do something different that not even both Millie and Blitzo don't know of his whereabouts when he's not around with them, like take some night school to develop new skills like learning about business to be a better businessman than Blitzo or all kinds of subjects that could be useful for I.M.P, find a martial arts dōjō to change himself while also learning how to fight, go to a gym to gain muscles, or something. This episode could have been a wake-up call for Moxxie of how pathetic he is, and maybe he should try to change himself for the better instead of being what he is.

[@leonarose738]

@@magnaknight9252 She definitely needs to have him at the very least get some professional help for his validation issues. We got a glimpse of what it does to Millie and I wouldn't be surprised if it's going to be a recurring thing with him cause that stuff doesn't go away overnight.

[@magnaknight9252]

@@leonarose738 Exactly, he really needs help in the worst way, a lot more than anyone else in the show, especially since he's been nothing more than a complete loser who's nothing without Millie ever since the plot of the show.

[@Pomni3477]

It definitely adds to Millie's character for sure. Also, this episode hits home for me especially with Moxxie, how he felt and reacted. I know if I were in his shoes, I would have lashed out just as badly as he did if not worse. On the flip side, I also understand Millie wanting to be genuinely liked and praised instead of feared or just seeing her as a killer. I was gonna say the same thing. I can GUARENTEE YOU that this is going to become a huge focus point in Moxxie's character arc and honestly, if we're being real, I don't think he'll ever get over it. It's not something that just goes away, especially not someone with Moxxie's upbringing and the fact that he's in hell.

[@lexmexdrawz]

Nice video! I like how you put it as a example with moxxie and his mother, and Millie covers those needs that crimson could not fulfill.

[@CartoonUniverse]

Love that psychology being explored.

[@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982]

​@@CartoonUniverseI wonder what made Millie feel so insecure in Unhappy Campers. Maybe something happened to her in the past.

[@Abbywise32]

​@@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982 I really didn't see her as insecure. Moxxie trying to take out his insecurities on Millie just made her snap because WHAT THE HECK DUDE?! She needed to call him out on being unsupportive because she supports him ALL THE TIME

[@CrowSongProductions]

One line that really struck a chord with me, was when Moxxie asked why it mattered what these yokels think - that line was DEFINITELY subconsciously aimed at himself, not Millie. He was implicitly asking HIMSELF why he couldn't just ignore their opinions, all the while projecting so hard you could point him at a wall and run powerpoints off of him.

[@christythehedgehog169]

This just makes Moxie & Millie a little more realistic and it makes me happy that you can see they have real problems.

[@aquabard6095]

I really like how her arc is wanting to not be in the background anymore. thats such a meta character arc because for the whole show at this point she has been more of a background character that was always in moxxies shadow. literally in the episode where we meet her parents, its mostly about moxxie. and when we got to meet moxxies family, it was about him again. so I love how that is what her arc is in the show.

[@05w47d]

writers really outed themselves this episode, glad they finally acknowledged how underutilized she is and gave her the spotlight.

[@mythicalmelol4484]

Honestly, the fact that this episode finally showed more of Millie is so relieving, as we can finally account her as not just Moxxie's stress reliever, but a real, sentient being. It adds so much more to her character, and I really hope that we can continue to see her character more often like this now on.

[@Your_localghost12345]

I figured they would have at least a dark side almost every relationship has at least a tragic story

[@Salza02]

I would like to see the consequences of their exposure in the human world. The kids/teens don’t care or notice (except the teenage girls) the “humans” with red skin and weird legs. We also see Millie and Moxie get recorded and become trending on social media which eventually the local news channel come to record the concert. Not to mention they get naked which could’ve exposed their full demon body There are several plot points they need to bring up again such as the DHORKS agents having footage of demons

[@-Cloud-9-Nine-]

The scene with Barbie wire and Blitzø genuinely made me cry at the end

[@captainb.mccrea5480]

Well Moxxie does get bullied and picked on by pretty much everyone even in ‘his’ special episodes, he’s the weakest character of the group and when he finally has a moment where he gets to be in charge and feel good, people act like he’s some awful husband the one time he didn’t need Millie to support him through everything, and is too excited to finally ‘prove himself’

[@annlouiserainey4888]

Even loving relationships have their limits and flaws that get a couple to bicker and fight. What I like is seeing them back together and look into solving problems.

[@RaptorRed]

I loved this episode. Not only do we see an in-depth relationship between Millie and moxie but also a brief introduction into Barbie wire. Sure it’s kinda brief in Millie as a person but as a relationship this was an amazing episode to explore it. Plus blitz and Barbie wire’s storyline didn’t feel forced or overcrowded like the last episode was. Last meaning the doctor side story with loona and striker’s return not the season 1 finale

[@Buggie._.]

This episode really helped us understand their relationship more, but it also really showed us a realistic relationship.

[@CyberSakuhime]

I didn't really notice how extreme Moxxie's neediness was until this episode, and tbh I should go back and rewatch the series. The latest episode really sheds a light on the darker parts of their relationship. Looking back, I did notice that most of Moxxie's praises towards her were work related. I initially thought his hurt feelings stemmed from him getting too into character as Moxxine, but this video and other people's posts on the topic really opened my eyes to see that his negative feelings towards the attention Millie was getting were genuine. Although, he doesn't do it intentionally, he does tend to put his feelings of inadequacy over other's feelings, and I'm glad this episode touches on that topic. Millie should get more attention and compliments for the things she does outside of work from Moxxie. Her feelings are valid as the seemingly more stable partner, which is relatable to a lot of people. I hope he does more to support her emotionally in the future so they can have a more balanced, loving relationship.

[@Pocket_Zip]

This episode was beautifully made and i like the fact that they showed that even with seemingly perfect couples, fights do exist. But by any means, i don't think that they will (or should) break up because of it, cause everyone has their flaws/problems and as long as couples manage to work together and both do a give and take kind of thing there is no reason for them to fall apart. In the end it shows that they were strong together and love eachother and i fucking love that.

[@esteemedmortal5917]

Glad Millie pushed back. Moxxie really invalidated her from the start of the mission. He would have gotten more praise from Blitz if he just acknowledged Millie’s correct observations and taken care of the killer.

[@magnaknight9252]

Vivziepop really needs to work on Moxxie by having him stand up for himself more than stop being the Meg Griffin, Jerry Smith, Brian Griffin, or Squidward of the group, especially since he's been nothing more than a doormat to everyone except his wife. Like, have him do something different that not even both Millie and Blitzo don't know of his whereabouts when he's not around with them, like take some night school to develop new skills like learning about business to be a better businessman than Blitzo or all kinds of subjects that could be useful for I.M.P, find a martial arts dōjō to change himself while also learning how to fight, go to a gym to gain muscles, or something. This episode could have been a wake-up call for Moxxie of how pathetic he is, and maybe he should try to change himself for the better instead of being what he is.

[@adilenereynoso6868]

I kinda wanted to see them do more things together as a couple

[@CramSkyy]

Also the guy that died is very watery-like with a fluid stomach and ocean features. We know the basics, but what are the limits? Of both humans that died and demons who were born in hell. I'd love to see more demons that died of different things (venemous bite for example, etc..) and how they'd therefore look like

[@jacechretin4597]

I can understand Moxie‘s need for approval. He’s so small and helpless that recognition for his work is what he enjoys and makes him feel valued, so Millie taking that thunder away makes him feel like he is completely useless especially when put in charge of a hit from his own boss.

[@alllittlethingzz]

I was shocked whenever Millie and Moxxie fought cause they never fought at all or even got mad at each other before and for the first time we saw them fight. I want to know more on why Barbra wants to stay away from Blitz as well and why she can’t stand him.

[@juliangandara9552]

They should make an origine story episode for Blitz, Barbie and Loona, because we don't know much about what happened to those three that made the way they are

[@thomasdaywalt7735]

Yeah like how they meet

[@syrenking]

Even of this is not one of my favourite episodes, i love how 3dimentional M&M's relationship is now that we now the "ugly" side of it And Millie's breakdown made me re evaluate her mother's remarks in the harvest moon festival episode Truly the Millie episode we needed✨ Edit: also, i have to say, it makes sense that the "cracks" in the relationship didn't show until now, after all they've been married for, at most, a year and a half Im not saying they will fight all the time now But the honeymoon part is starting to wear off

[@FullMoonDeria]

I personally felt like the episode would have had more of an impact in season 1. The fact that the world stepping on Moxxie is an ongoing gag as much as it is core to his character, and Millie having insecurities feels like it would have fit better after meeting Striker the first time. Millie has consistently been the most capable of our protagonists, so her winning the adoration of the camp feels as much like another Tuesday as the campers despising Moxxie to the point of him being forced to sleep in a tent outside the camp. She even finishes the job for him, after already being right and without even being present, which really just overshadows him more. It also feels odd following Moxxie's competence without her at the gas station in Western Energy, and well as their synergy in taking Striker down. So it feels like a backslide, for Moxxie, in particular and a wrinkle that we should have seen sooner. I don't agree with the idea that this level of argument has happened before, mostly due to Millie say she feels like she can be proud of herself for once, and telling Moxxie never to pull this again. That just doesn't ping me as this being a recurring issue. But those are the basics of my thoughts.

[@DemiRurge]

And I agree with you. Having Moxxie keep being incompetant AND be the bad guy in the scenario just feels like a huge middle finger in his face, esspecially when for the past season Millie has consistantly been shown love and affection and has never expressed the feel of being ignored.

[@doodles8748]

It's nice to see a little more of Millie, but I would still like a Millie centered episode about her, and her past, just like the Blitz and Moxxie.

[@natnat8393]

Yes I completely agree. She's my* favourite character

[@Miciggy24]

This episode was definitely meta on how Millie has been treated as a character in the show so far. She's not just Moxxie's wife and she's not just the powerhouse of the team. I'm really glad we got to see her get some more attention this episode and that we'll see more this season.

[@leocampagna864]

Well at least Moxxie went from a person who see’s Millie as a mother to actually seeing her as not a mother but a true supportive and caring woman.

[@funtimeredfox]

I really enjoyed this episode, it was great to see a mostly Millie-centered episode when we haven't really learned much about her other than like her parents and that she protective of moxxie so it's good to see some Millie development!

[@alexandriaceballos1938]

Nice to know Moxie and Millie’s relationship isn’t perfect. That, and how cringey Moxie can be that the campers are uncomfortable to be around. I’m happy Millie had some time to shine.

[@SnazzyjazzBro]

Honestly valley girl Moxie hurt this episode for me. Payoff was great but the journey to get there had really rocky start.

[@SiegfriedWylder]

I enjoyed that we gained something more for Millie and the relationship she shares with Moxxie, especially since she gets some solo-time to strut her stuff. She's awesome, but that's never been a secret from anyone in the show or for the audience. But I'm kind of irked that it comes with the inclusion of Moxxie basically being ACTUALLY useless without her. To the point the show feels the need to call him out and rip him down to a sniveling mess when things don't go his way after she pins down their target immediately. Really feels like they're leading up to Moxxie breaking off from everyone to try and prove himself down the line, and failing to do even that.

[@magnaknight9252]

Vivziepop really needs to work on Moxxie by having him stand up for himself more than stop being the Meg Griffin, Jerry Smith, Brian Griffin, or Squidward of the group, especially since he's been nothing more than a doormat to everyone except his wife. Like, have him do something different that not even both Millie and Blitzo don't know of his whereabouts when he's not around with them, like take some night school to develop new skills like learning about business to be a better businessman than Blitzo or all kinds of subjects that could be useful for I.M.P, find a martial arts dōjō to change himself while also learning how to fight, go to a gym to gain muscles, or something. This episode could have been a wake-up call for Moxxie of how pathetic he is, and maybe he should try to change himself for the better instead of being what he is.

[@lemontoast3989]

I was really shocked with how moxie was acting. But it makes sense with his character. I hope he works more on that part of himself and is able to help Mille more

[@connorredshaw7994]

Every relationship has it's good days and bad days I'm just happy Millie and Moxxie reconciled at the end of the episode which of course i knew they would.

[@chile_jpg]

I recently had a similar burnt out as Millie's and it ended my friendship with my ""best friend"", I was tired of giving and not being acknowledged, so I gave in to my feelings and screamed to her about it, then and there it ended, she didn't even bother to say anything and now her mom wants to put up a complaint to the police :D

[@sumireokamura]

I think it shows that their relationship is not always love dove and perfect. Sometimes, they have fights like any others couples do, like Moxxie was to focused on the job to get their boss' aprove, that interfered in the relationship with Millie.

[@GreenBro11]

Love that this episode showed their relationship isn’t perfect. That even a doting spouse such as Moxxie can still hurt his wife, and more importantly that they can recover from it and still love each other.

[@nathanbreadboi9223]

They turned him into a toxic femboy in thus episode and i hate it. This is not how i wanted the Millie and Moxxie character development to go. I felt so uncomfortable throughout this whole episode, cherishing every moment Moxxie wasn't on screen

[@personmensch6664]

Yeah, right? They could have done a storyline about Moxxie being insecure and Millie wanting to be more, but he's just the butt of the joke again... everything works against him while Millie is perfect at everything.

[@michaelirazori9214]

It does make sense that Moxxie feels a bit starved for affirmation with how he grew up, which was why he overcompensated on that mission. So his jealousy on Millie was probably also because he figured that her life in Wrath had no problems and took that for granted. For Millie, it’s possible that she had some times when she’d be overshadowed by her siblings, but at times doesn’t show it and is often misread as being a strong girl with no issues.

[@Whizmanne]

It's crazy how you can just analyse this episode this deeply, even when the episode literally came out a couple hours ago

[@adolfocoy7516]

After this episode I want a Stolas and Moxie episode, both of them just going over their lost potential and love life, as they try to retrieve a book from Ars Goetia Library.

[@Pirate-Scorcher-1998]

I was very pleased with the episode seeing Millie and moxie getting their own episode just like loona. Really enjoyed every bit of it including the bits we saw and noticed

[@joelbarraclough6689]

I felt very mixed on the episode because those mean spirited campers and all I feel is sadness for Moxxie had it really rough but yet still get the short end of the stick to all the things around him

[@Nakia11798]

You should feel mixed. That's kinda the point. You should feel bad for both sides of the couple.

[@Vesper9741]

When Millie explained it wasn't important how the others thought of her but rather how she thought of herself shocked me in a nice way, it feels out of the ordinary at least to me for someone to be sure in this acknowledgement. Good for her, she knows whats important in that.

[@thetraveler264]

This episode broke my heart. I just love Millie. I really felt for her when she and Moxxie fought. I understand how it feels to just want to accepted in your own skin

[@ladynikkie]

I think it was great the episode was Millie centered she's one of my favorite characters and it just shows that she more than just a powerhouse. She's really talented and does want to be taking seriously from time to time. Also, I notice in the beginning of the episode when Blitz was looking for his sister, it seems like rehabilitation centers are located too in the sloth ring which would mean that Sloth would serve as hell's medical center. and that human world drugs do not affect them too much because Blitz mentioned that heroin is equivalent to aspirin to them.

[@Katzztar]

While he can do more, I do think Moxie gives Millie more than you imply. Millie is a very intense being, a bit too intense for her fellow Wrathian imps, as implied in S1 Full Moon Festival when she reveals she's banned from the games. Moxie accepts her intensity without hesitation, without asking her to tone it down. Never asked her to hold back on that intensity. Only this episode seemed to have any issue and that wasn't her intensity but his failure to have positive acceptance like she got...which is a callback to that bad trip in Truth Seekers when Blitzo implies Moxie cares too much of what others think of him.

[@zakirstocks9514]

I Absolutely Love Episode 5 Season 2 of *Helluva Boss!* The Wholesome Relationship of Moxxie and Millie will always be a National Treasure in my Heart Forever! I also love the reveal of Blitzo's sister, Barbie right here!

[@alexandersolodovnikov4840]

Great analysis of Moxxie's psychology! Just wanted to add that Moxxie not only uses Millie as a substitute for his 'Mom', but also Blitzo as a substitute for his Dad. He also seeks Blitzo validation and wants to be on his good side which we've seen multiple time throughout the show. I liked that in the end Moxxie was able to see his mistakes and to apologize, but as you said before words and appreciation might not be enough, he needs to learn how to support his wife throughout actions.

[@mememasterjames2070]

This episode shows that even during rocky moments. Good relationships still thrive

[@Brother_O4TS]

Moxxie isn't a failed musician per say. He does have that music award in their room back in the pilot, showing that he has actually been succesful

[@Admiralkirk95]

Do apreciate that Millie gives Blitz the angries eyes at the end of the episode when Blitz fakes complimenting Moxxie. Despite what happened she still wants Mox to get some validation and that Blitz was just being a jerk. Still Moxxie doesn't seem to be malicious in his behaviour in this episode. Feels more like frustration, doing all this work for no pay off and learning nothing by the end, all while Millie is having a good time and enjoying herself caused him to get emotional and be a jerk. She was just being herself and was being accepted, meanwhile he tries so hard and gets rejected(THough admittedly, him trying so hard is what makes people dislike him). But it's safe to say that the moment Millie made her point and was upset he was quick to realize she is right and didn't try to argue and quickly found a good way to apologize. So I'd say this was a wound in their relationship festering for awhile and is the first step for them understanding eachother better Hopefully Mox takes it to heart and considers this later. He seems much more open to change than Blitz with his problems, so I can see this coming up again but it being more learning and growing.

[@embermoto]

I love how this episode showed us Moxies dark side cause he has been so likable up this point, not that that's a bad thing but everybody has flaws and its nice to be seeing some of Moxies. It also nice to see Millie getting some love.

[@CrashPG3D]

The problem is that Millie gets TONS of validation from other characters like Blitz and even Loona, meanwhile literally no one except Millie ever gave Moxxie any sort of validation of his own, he is always used a comedic punching bag for the other characters and the viewers. No one ever respects Moxxie besides Millie, so he heavily leans over on to her to get any sort of validation of his own because he has nobody else.

[@DemiRurge]

And yet she has the audacity to say how she feels important for the first time in her life. Honestly, I just think that Vivzie hates Moxxie or something.

[@CrashPG3D]

@@DemiRurge exactly! Yeah, it just seems that Viv doesn’t like Moxxie at all.

[@DemiRurge]

@@CrashPG3D which is weird seeing how she said that Helluva Boss is supposd to be a male centric show.

[@CrashPG3D]

@@DemiRurge I guess she prefers Blitz over Moxxie

[@DemiRurge]

@@CrashPG3D I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. She writes the series in such a way that we always must feel bad for Blitzo, even though he has barely shown any likeability. He was a jerk in the pilot, he is a jerk in this episode. Honestly, he deserves to suffer and I look forward to the episode in which he gets beaten into a bloody pulp.

[@RickyDaKitsune]

Honestly, i agree on a lot of your points. I thought the episode is good, but felt that parts of it was rushed especially the fight between Millie and Moxxie, although it gave us development, but wanted more out of it. I was honestly expecting at some point an episode showing that their relationship isn’t perfect. Hope we do get more out of this, but hope isn’t as rushed.

[@CSCS20]

Millie's episode,it still feels like an episode that ended with moxie

[@Abbywise32]

Barbie Wire beating the snot out of Blitzø and Moxxie by herself absolutely tickled me hot pink "Because just pink is just so...basic"

[@jellotoast4309]

This was one of my favorite eps by far. So glad we finally got a Millie episode.

[@leesousa9194]

Hi, I'm from Brazil and I'm a recent fan of Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel, I'm enjoying watching your videos, because for me they add value to the series, when discussing the details and interactions that are shown in the episodes, it makes me think of analyzing things I hadn't noticed when I first watched it. So thanks for the work

[@hollys_animations205]

Even though Moxxie can't express his love for Millie by words, (and I think that it has to do with his past, and people not saying nice things to him. ) He expresses it through singing it instead, like in the Ozzie episode or the Oh Millie song.

[@DeadBore]

Genuinely my favourite episode so far, and it didn’t even have anything with Blitzø/Stolas stuff. Absolutely perfect in my eyes

[@samuelcarl9350]

It makes sense that millie had some self worth issues, since it seems like her family just expected her to be that strong and skilled, and while moxxie adores her, he never actively complimented and praised her on stuff she did. Their dynamic is very interesting to me, as while not the same, im in a similar seat to moxxie. I have hyper empathy syndrome, which means i need positive emotion to feel positive. If your around sadness or anger, you soak it up like a sponge. It means we're really good at telling what people need, but if we cant get them out of that darkness, we're stuck in it too. As a result, we need someone to take the lead and provide us with unconditional affection, or we will simply get worse and worse, to the levels of self caused depression or even self hate and harm. Moxxie doesnt have hyper empathy syndrome, but he is still clearly damaged in the way that he needs tye constant affection that people like myself do Cant wait for vivzies next masterpiece

[@_Spy_]

I related to Millie in this episode. When she said that she feels important for the first time or that someone sees her...I felt that.

[@Abbywise32]

It does recontextualize their relationship And It's About TIME!!! They come across as all lovey but we could retrospectively see that Millie has been carrying Moxxie in their relationship literally. I still look forward to her getting more solo limelight. Also I really hope to get an Amazon gift card

[@parcavil]

a part of me wishes that blitz would see millie and moxie have a fight and see them express how they feel towards each other but also how they solve it out and talk through what they are upset about. It might be good for blitz to see how a mostly healthy relationship works.

[@thatlocaltransmasc]

When i saw the beginning with blitzø in the sloth ring i thought it would be something with Stolas

[@minaashido518]

Same

[@AngryDemonCat]

It's nice to know that even one of my favorite couples have flaws and Millie is getting some development!!❤

[@cervantes724]

I felt bad for moxxie. I don't know why they made him like this.😢

[@Titanblade17]

This episode came out INCREDIBLY fast.

[@Nope_Nerds]

I thought the mental break downs Moxxie had almost had the characters back stepping in development. The guy threatens to off his Monster father and fights striker then cries because he's not the popular girl at camp? I felt like this was a half baked Millie episode

[@rationeextrema3776]

Not just "a camp," but a camp for preteens and teenagers.